Julia Hartley Brewer's furious response to being called a CIS-woman
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2018
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Julia Hartley-Brewer railed against one of her co-presenters after he used the term ‘CIS woman’. Comedian Steve N Allen began sharing his views on transgender women in women’s prisons, but was cut short by Hartley-Brewer for saying the word.
#trans #transgender #transwoman #transdebate
Julia Hartley Brewer asks Labour MP: 'Can a woman have a penis?' ► ua-cam.com/video/SSC8-CwMCuM/v-deo.html
Julia Hartley Brewer's furious response to being called a CIS-woman ► ua-cam.com/video/VQHiOuTv5qM/v-deo.html
Julia Hartley Brewer exasperated by trans-rights 'madness' ► ua-cam.com/video/NVPUnRzOF5U/v-deo.html
Julia is such a snowflake nowadays
Julia is a REAL WOMAN ❤❤❤❤❤ ❤❤❤❤❤!!
Julia is fantastic.Thankyou for saying out loud what so many of us WOMEN are thinking!
And many of us Man. Thankyou.
Cis is now considered a slur
& men 👏👏👏👍
She's who I'd want to have on my side!!!🎉❤...she's a rock! 🎉❤
"I am not a cis woman, I am a woman!"
Woah! Never thought I'd be on the same side as Sister Hartley Brewer! You go, woman!
Exactly!
Go Julia thank you for standing up for the majority
MEN AND WOMEN! WELL SAID.
Yea minorities are the worst aren’t they!
Thank you. I HATE the term cis-woman.
Thanks Julia for that clarification. We are women, not cis women. 💪🏻💪🏻
You’re literally a cis women though? does that make you sad? that you still identify as your birth sex?
@@priyaparlane1021 don't misgender me. I am a real, normal woman. Don't use "cis" when talking to me.
@@natoutes7412 "Cis" is not a gender.
@@LouiseBrooksBob do you think I don't know that?
Thank you 👏👏👏👏
Next up, prisoners who don't identify as criminals and are immediately released into society.
jt But what happens when he uses the phrase "It's a fair cop,but society is to blame"?
So we need prisons for society as well.Problem solved!
@@-V-K- We have one,it's called the House of Lords.That's the closest you'll ever get.
@@davidbarlow350 sounds like a left wing policy, locking up innocent people to protect the rights of offenders...
@@melthalin3559 Actually,it could work out pretty well.The left always consider they are "society",so build them big!
I don't identify as existing, so eff off HMRC.
"Don't bring that BBC claptrap into my studio."
Amen.
Ragnar Danneskjöld I second that , she is a bloody star ! Brilliant *women ! Ya .....
Is "claptrap" a British term, or has Julia just coined a new word?
Meg Garbincus yep Old British term
Alexander Anderson approves with zealous fervor.
ha ha yes except it's not her studio!
Thank you ! More women need to have the courage to speak up about this. Masses of people have been deluded.
I love you for rejecting the "cis" garbage.
@Gloria Denning Don't ask.
Agree!
I wish she'd actually asked him to leave though.
Well done!
Need more of that
I am a little bit fat, but I identify as slim.
I am Trans-slender
Stay you are. People will love you in spite of any shortcomings. Think of John Candy.
@@1Passingthrew1
Fuck off.
I am not John Candy fat FFS
Me too,there are a high percent of trans-slim woman on this earth,we need help and understanding.
I love it! I think I too am trans-slender!
You'll be all right as long a you don't eat any trans fats.
Love this presenter. GOOD GOOD GOOD on her for standing up to this nonsense.
Douglas Murray indicated how this tends to happen before the collapse of a civilization.
Very very very very excellent Julia. Do not cede the linguistic territory to activists.
I feel as though I have woken up in a lunatic asylum where everyone is sitting around admiring the Emperor's new clothes and nobody is allowed to say that he's naked.
Yes!
She's naked!!!!!
Exactly. The whole F'ing world has gone nuts.
look up "deinstitutionalization". Then you will understand that your instinct is intact and fully functioning.
people with gender dysphoria used to be locked away, or medicated. now they give them hormones and surgery and tell us we have to "mate" with them.
You’re in prison, why on earth do you think you have the right to demand access to elective surgery?
Just tell them it isn’t one of “those” prisons; the kind where you get to do what you want.
maybe because every human has the right to healthcare? that ever occured to you?
@@yokubo7220 They should be sectioned in a psychiatric hospital.
@@yokubo7220 It's not health-care. It's cosmetic. You're not going to die if you don't chop your c**k off.
@@gotsu7343 wtf? america is truly a dystopia, it seems.. you even defend your archaic, inefficient prison system, even when people's health is involved.
The while 10 minutes was worth it just for that last minute of Julia putting the use of "cis woman" to describe a woman well and truly in its box. BRAVO, Julia!!
When did the word “WOMAN” become such a filthy word to use. Thank god for people like Julia taking a stand
sl64642 .....the word Woman isn’t a filthy word, some men who are jealous of women are making it become a controversial word, which, as a woman, sickens me. When is this madness going to end?
@@MoonSpinners As a woman, we must also a realize that it is not just men that caused that controversy. It is radical feminism, which has done little but divide our sexes despite needing each other to continue human existence, and has told men nothing but that they are by default awful and horrible and rapists and sexual predators etc. And who came up with this doctrine? Well, it wasn't a bunch of hot beautiful women I will tell you that. Sure were a lot of ugly, hideous women, pushing us to not be with men, waste our ovulation time period that biology allows and work and educate ourselves - and all that has resulted is men leaving the sphere of dating en masse and women being more alone as a result and birth rates dropping in massive chunks.
The madness will end when you can forgive men for being imperfect, human and fallable. Capable of offending you and forcing you to blame THEM for making OUR sex into a poorly connotated word?? I wonder why they could have done that. Could it be that as we relegated them to the darkness of their apartments screaming creeeep and raaaaapist and oppressor that they sought a vindictive act? It does not matter who started it, who made a word into another meaning or connotation...
Just forgive it. Please, try. Forgive yourself for your faults, forgive men for theirs and the actions that come forth from faults and forgive humanity as a whole for it's own inherent imperfect nature.
It is not about who started what, it is not about assigning blame, it's just about initiating a healing process, for yourself and hopefully for all of us to get a grip on the madness. Forgive them. Breathe in. Breathe out. Say it out loud. Forgive them... And breathe in. And out. Forgive yourself, forgive humanity. We're not perfect, not one of us. So just breathe in and breathe out and calmly state "I forgive you, I forgive me.. and I forgive humanity." Where it began and who to blame doesn't really matter at this point, if you want relief from the tension happening here... well then just forgive and try to forget. :) Trust me, its much more preferable to holding onto anger. I know, men are frustrating for us, well.. lol we are just as frustrating for them... even more so lately I would think? But we got along once upon a time and we have to get along eventually or else there is no way to make more children ya know? It's okay though, because we can override that ideology in our head that tells us to blame and hate, rather than to forgive and simply be humane to each other ?:)
Just have to accept it as an emotional rope ladder out of their to feel it, and if you want at any point - you can go back - but the parroting of ideas from feminist talking points is a political attempt to stir you and align you to a specific side of the isle via grievance movement association to that isle. Not a choice you made consciously through examination, it was picked for you already - you see how this works now? It's not about equality of the sexes, it's about creating women who want to hate and attack men into retaliation so one side can use it against another for politically optic purposes; creating directed chaos and using us a pawn in that battle... it's not good. So I chose forgiveness and it simply relieved much of this weight I was carrying around from being recreationally outraged at men; it's not healthy to have the name of your own sex: Woman, trigger such an intense reaction and forced you to spit out the talking points and force responsibility on the men when there aren't any here? idk the OP, but i'm a woman, and you are, and from his/her name you cant tell the sex or gender. Breathe, friend. :) There are plenty of good men left, a lot of them might have to be coaxed out of the darkness though. Because just as we were taught to fear them constantly, now they too fear us constantly. Forgive this fallability of our humanity, we knew not the gravity when all of this began. I would rather just offer up an olive branch when I can and try and restore some kind of harmony, cus damnit, I miss dating and flirting and all of that shit lol. Feminism killed all of it.... but whew... but I can forgive. And remain in peace
Ok? If you did it, you should be feeling a bit of relief. Reaction in anger and allowing a triggering to happen only keeps yourself out of control. Forgive that trigger and the purpose given by the story behind it. It's a word, it can''t control you. You control you, don't you? I believe in you, because you asked for finality you begged for an answer to when will the madness end? You want the madness to end. It can end over a period of healing broken divides but we must take steps to make peace - more conflict by blaming or aggressing or whining or complaining to the nothingness is not the answer, we both know that. >:)
Rapportus5 .....thank you for your reply, it must have taken you ages. I’m sorry that my comment prompted such a passionate response, because I think I worded my original comment in slightly the wrong way, I haven’t got a problem with men at all, and I’m not a feminist, I should have said I have a problem with men who are pretending to be women and making real women feel bad about themselves. But I get your point, the feminist movement have done more harm than good. I have seen the effect it’s had on men, taking away their confidence and masculinity, not really knowing where they fit in anymore, I find it dreadful to think that we have survived on this planet for millions of years with men being men and women being women.and now we are all in such a fragile and confused state when really it’s all so simple. I miss the days when the door is held open for me by a gentleman, now men fear backlash for trying to be a gentleman, it upsets me greatly, but I’m not dwelling on it all day and every day of my life, but it does raise its ugly head every so often where I do feel angry at the situation that’s going on in our society. Though I consider myself not to be a feminist I do have a problem with male chauvinism, especially the type that existed in the 50s, 60s, and 70s ( and beyond ) if only we could get a happy medium where we all weren’t walking on eggshells around each other all the time. Sometimes you have to think about where something started so you can nip it in the bud before it becomes a worldwide problem. Though, getting back to what my original comment was about, I think the whole transgender business and people calling themselves gender fluid and non-binary is a huge problem that isn’t going to go away any time soon. A lot of people are becoming confused and now they’re making children confused, teaching things in schools that they have no right to be even talking about to impressionable children. One school here in the UK has over 70 of their children claiming to be unsure of what sex they are! This is alarming in the extreme. it’s insidious and worrying. My opinions on it may be unpopular with a lot of people, but unless we state what we really think, it’s too easy for everyone to become oppressed and go along with things they don’t believe in. I’ve just read that a politician has come out as a pansexual, what is that? Is the word bisexual being replaced by pansexual? I am so confused.
Thank Q Julia for not bending for these sex deviant maniacs.
You can thank Feminism.
Behind all of this is the hatred of our Blessed Lord and the Blessed Mother.
People have a right to be whoever they are. But I have a right to disagree so long as I do no harm to the person. The idea that I cannot have these opinions is taking away my human rights.
By not acknowledging and supporting their identities you.are harming them. That's the policy at my university, not sure about the rest of the country.
way2tehdawn that’s the problem with the world today, people have become too butt hurt about everything if you and your friend are calling each other names as a joke someone will always jump in and start accusing you of being racist or any other crap they can think of just so they can look like a SJW when all they are doing is being a total jerk.
@Martyn Watson It's encouraged me to just avoid these people. I'm just not going to be comfortable around them knowing I possibly will say the wrong thing and I'll get my reputation tarred. They think its integrating people but its marginalising them.
I really like this woman. Thank God she is standing up against this madness
Fantastic! But if we try to stand up against it in the work place, we risk being fired!
what madness? inclusivity? riiiiight
@@kelrogers8480 yea cuz that makes you a discriminating bigot and you SHOULD be fired
Yep. She would be in my cabinet super team if I was prime minister
do you mean cis woman
i self-identify as Michael Jackson.
My pronouns are He/Hee
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@Joe CANZUK shame you need to post dumb comments on the internet
That's so funny and true.
Priceless
😂😂😂😂👏🏽
Got to love this woman.thanks Julia stop taking crap from the 'chattering classes' .
She IS the chattering dlasses! That is literally the full extent of this Oxford educated, once The Guardian-employed, woman handed privilege upon privilege.
Prisoner: I idenfity as free!
The system: Well, can't argue with that. You're free to go.
Jyi Dorne 😂😂😂🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼😂😂😂
Idiocracy is our future
Jyi Dorne That is the inevitable conclusion of such an argument . Where is the free speech ??? Why can’t we call males born with a penis, men and a females born with a vagina, women. As for transgenders why don’t we call them exactly that, transgenders. If surgeons refused to do sex change operations and if those operations were banned and illegal together with the accompanying medications then most of these problems would disappear or at least become very rare. The whole argument and debate is ridiculous in my opinion because at the end of the day there are only two sexes male and female. I could identify as or believe that I was a cat but it wouldn’t make it so and It wouldn’t mean I could catch mice either. It would simply mean I was delusional or mad.
gay and your mom
@Billy Ray Cyrus I was about to say that 'nah im only pullin' ya leg'
I love this woman. She is fearless! 💪
Made me cry at the end - thank you JHB for refusing the term cis!!!!
GREAT BRITAIN, WTF are we doing.
I don't know, stop us, declare war on our parliament.... Please
Aaron Heathcock only we can do that.
@@ThisIsWhyWeFight I'm going down on the 9th to install UKIP and Tommy as PM
Ray Deeble I’m just enjoying the circus until the bubble goes pop. Ya can’t make this shit up
Walking into a Marxist left wing hell hole. From which their is no return.
There needs to be civil war before it's to late...this rot must be stopped.
as a bisexual man, i applaud this lady for standing up to the language police. All i ever wanted was to be allowed to work without being attacked for being bisexual. Now im being told i must change my reality in order to not be attacked ? I am sick of hearing what other people want me to do, mind yer own business and ill mind mine.
@@VaultofHorror-zd1zc most of us are not into this kid stuff . Please don't be a bigot
You know, I remember a day where politics, pay, and sexual orientation were absolutely NOT allowed in work and school places. We definitely need to return to those days. That way, you'll never have to worry about being demonized for what you believe. No one will know lol.
How do anyone at your job know you are bisexual? Are you talking about your sex life on the job. Someone can not just like you it don't mean cause you are bi
@@VaultofHorror-zd1zcshame on you for no longer being an advocate of gay rights.
As Mark Twain said: “IT IS EASIER TO FOOL PEOPLE, THAN TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FOOLED” ! 🙄🤗
Sylvia Saxby If you’ve ever been a conservative you know that’s not true. Everyone thinks they’re being fooled and that’s the real danger. What if, no ones being fooled and you’ve all fooled yourself a in to thinking you’ve been fooled? That would be quite dangerous. I don’t suppose there’s any possibility of that happening here huh?
I would consider the movement against trans women rises to the level of clinical paranoia.
reverse phycology? Could have a part to play sure
Correct
@@yahoohotmail4127 the movement against trans women? Where? What movement? Do you perceive not allowing a person with the anatomy of a man to be held in a prison which holds only women, therefore the physically weaker of the two sexes because he claims that he identifies as such as a movement? I think that's just rational thought. Are you also siding that men who state they identify as women should be able to compete in women's only sports? Cause that's going quite well since this all began. There's been no obvious advantages those men have had. No varying outcomes solely dependent on their anatomical advantages at all. To not allow that to continue is a movement against trans women to you?
I have never heard of men identifying as women so I’m not sure what you’re talking about?
When did we suddenly need to respect a man's opinion that he's a woman 😂
LOL! Julia refuses to join the Cis-terhood.
The best bit was when she said ' I'm not going to have that BBC claptrap on my show!' It's always nice to hear the Bolshevik Brainwashing Corporation getting a good kicking.
@no name Any sane human being would agree with Julia.
@no name I am a human being and I concur with Julia
@no name Sorry,are you commenting on the contents of the video,or something else entirely?
Pre-D , by 2025 top, long format, radio podcasts will have more listeners daily than the BBC TV shows have viewers. And when one considered the replays and post plays ... their listener ship is already probably = or > than old media TV shows. Joe Rogan has 1M live streaming in real time for his JBP interview Thursday night and its already at 2M views total.
The new media ( vs the old) was actually the #1 reason for the Brexit and Trump results and ....
Not only is that trend going to grow but ... as both the younger and oldest generations ( most suspectible to current education doctrine and old media respectively ) get hip to it and as a result learn how to A. think for themselves and B. get un-indoctrinated from the historical educational and old media biases ... those types of political results are going to gain steam.
The politicians realize this. That they have lost control of the messaging and that the new media is turning into an educational means by which the internet is finally fulfilling some of its original promise. This scares them shitless, that's why they are trying to ( EU articles 11 and 13) wrestle the genie back into a bottle and retain \ regain control of "the message". They are tired of poll results taken through traditional means that are off by 5-10%.
Nwes flash ... its going to get worse for them ... I predict the next set of British election , Brexit vote 2 ( if it happens) , and US exection polls will be off ( done by the old media and their left leaning polling orgs in the traditional ways ... ) by a full 10-15%. Maybe even 20. And that's off by an erroneous margin leaning to the left.
They are in for more surprises. You ignore the people and what they really think for too long at your own peril. The consequences for the EU and GB elite chattering classes are coming soon.
Good on you JHB! She is spot on, pandering to these tiny minorities is getting ridiculous.
Oh, it's already far beyond ridiculous. It's now teetering on the point of no return. People need to start standing up to this complete nonsense.
@@TonyRule Absolutely agree. But people seem to think it's a joke they have no idea how trans activists organisation are getting all sorts through included training for police, schools all public bodies and backing from large corporations. Everyone should education themselves. Look what they did to JK Rowling
@@alphonsemoonflee299 It's the slippery slope we warned about.
"We just want the same rights as defacto partners", they said. And so they got it - "what harm could it do?" said the naive.
"We just want to be able to marry now" they said. And so they got it - "what harm could it do?" said the naive.
"We just want to adopt children and have families" they said. And so they got it - "what harm could it do?" said the naive.
And so on and so forth. Now here we are.
She’s absolutely right there is no reason to add “sis” it’s nonsense.
Expect it’s ok when they do it to white men right?
Ookalar what are you talking about? It’s not right for ANYONE to have to change the way they refer to their biological sex/gender.
that is so dumb. nobody said that at all.@@ookalar665
"I'm not a CIS woman. I'm a woman."
And "transwomen" are not women. They're men playing dressup. Even if they mod their bod. Still men deep down.
A 1960 Camaro with 2006 Vette bumpers is still a 1960 Camaro.
Change the paint.
Change the wheels.
Change the driver.
Still a 1960 Camaro.
T.B.A.R.R.O. We don’t have to pretend with these trans people as they dress up and try to look like their opposite sex. Screw it! Leave us out of it!!!!
No they are not "still men deep down" on the contrary, every cell in their body still screams Male!!
A 1960 Camaro? First produced in 1967.
But I get your point.
@@mikenelson1009
Oops. And I use to be a car guy.
"Use to be."
T.B.A.R.R.O. Most women dress and act like men and expect to be treated as men. What’s the difference?
It's a strange state of affairs when men can tell women whether they are women.
She got triggered over nothing. Cis women are women.
A product of the decision by courts that who are what we choose to think we are. That way lies madness.
Or vice versa.
@@synchronium24 So just use woman, why does cis need to be used to identify a woman?
@@synchronium24 No such thing as CIS Women there are Women and Trans Women those who feel that is unreasonable will just have to suck it up because facts is facts!
Bravo for standing up against this mad pc word police nonsense.
She's being the PC police, dumbass.
It's an easy "fix." Let them surgically transition during the transfer over to the female prison.
That's the ticket!
Sign up for surgery right here, boys errrrrr.. girls.
I would say require it
who's gonna pay for the surgery? it damn well shouldnt be the taxpayer, and what happens if the inmate cant afford it?
@@pootisspencer5492 wow. I honestly didn't even consider that part. That's a really good point
@@pootisspencer5492 Agree completely. I kinda think alot of them might not be so eager to transition when it got real.
But, there are all sorts of people screaming about rights and pronouns....they can pay for it.
I identify as a bird. Gravity is a social construct. Watch me flyyyyy 🦅
..........that.......thats not how birds work.....they still adhere to the laws of gravity.......but I understand what you mean lool
Did it hurt? 🤣
Chickens are birds. They don't fly, being a bird does not equal the ability to fly. You fucking moron
@@TheWeepingDalek they can kind of fly just not continuously!! Chill out man/woman/they!!
@@Betterthantelly ostriches then
Spot on,Julia! Common bloody sense talk!
Next they’ll want to be retried as a woman to get 60% off their sentence.
They are already getting a softer level prison. And probably earlier probation.
Home Office reports openly state women get favourable treatment at every stage of the criminal justice system.
Already happened in the UK and the judge let HIM off for less time as the WOMAN he hit rightly woudnt address him as a woman in court, absolutely disgusting. Transagenda
Fuck off
@farley 555 You couldn't be more deceived. A dumb fuck is a genius compared to you.
I'm quite wealthy but identify as being broke. Therefore i'm not paying any tax.
@@KoachKrab127 ... That's just not a true statement... At all ..
Lol ..you are misinformed.. it's public information on quite a few corporations .. like mine for example . TcR any and all LLC.. but yea. You think I didn't pay taxes? ... A little less than half I made last year was taken in taxes .. plz stop lying on the internet.
Brilliant Julia! At last, common sense! I am sick to death of the minority ramming down my throat how men & women should be defined these days. X
Me too Kim, keep shouting loud and proud! x
Love her stand about this crap of "cis woman", "non-trans woman". I asked my wife about this stuff, she defiantly and adamantly agrees, "no cis, or non-trans crap". If we (the 98% of society) don't start to stand up for ourselves soon we'll have to have this prefix or that suffix and on it will go. I can see shortly if we just call ourselves a "woman or man" we'll be charged with a hate crime. This is madness! It must stop!
You’re honestly an idiot
no you won’t be charged with a hate crime. what kind of nonsense is that lol you sound ridiculous
@@Jade-ct1pt Please open your eyes. Have you read Joe Biden's "equality act?" Or what about Scotland's new human rights/hate crime laws? As the old saying goes; "coming to a theatre near you!" We either stand up now, or it won't be pretty in the very near future, that's where this is going, it's not ridiculous to be concerned.
@@Jade-ct1pt If a supposedly victimized community can make the definitions of "trans" & "woman" meaningless (as has been & continues to be done by the trans demands activists, most of whom are not transexuals), then they can redefine what a hate crime is. Even 10 years ago, the courts, police, & media insisting on rape victims calling their rapist, "she", & sending him to a women's prison for his protection would have seemed something out of a nightmare futuristic novel. Please learn some history about how oppressive regimes arise & how one group can manipulate people to turn against & turn in their neighbors, friends, & family for "crimes" like speaking freely about reality. "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire [Edited to correct some typos.]
Julia is fantastic. Absolutely Julia...I'm a woman....
Not a cis woman
Not a Womxn
Not non trans woman.
A woman. Biological woman. And proud to have 'man' in the word 'woman'.
👍
A cis woman is a biological woman. You're dumb.
Elizabeth Sherpa She has no point lol. If you’re talking about blind people, you use the phrase ‘sighted people’ to describe those who aren’t blind. If you’re talking about disabled folk you use the term ‘able bodied’ for those who aren’t disabled. Same with cis. It’s just a useful way of separating out people with contrasting qualities in a conversation.
The point is that she or any of us are not obligated to change our speech to accommodate someone else just because they say so. You say calling someone "cis" is just a way of differentiating between the two, but we already have that - woman or man, or trans woman or trans man. Most often I see "cis" used in what comes off as more derogatory in manner and tone by allies and members of the transgender community. I'm not saying that is its intention, but it comes off that way often, especially to people who are not trans or may not have had much experience with someone who is. To that I would say that more than likely, your average person probably doesn't have much experience with the trans community. This whole movement that is happening is all very new. The trans community has never had this much attention, or rise in people coming out as trans. Change takes time, and can take patience, forcing people to speak a certain way or face social or financial destruction is not going to make change any easier, only more tumultuous than it has to be.
With that being said, I completely agree that people should be able to live their lives anyway they want, as long as they are not hurting anyone else. But to force others to do things they do not want to do is wrong. Plain and simple.
@@01What10 "Neither she or any of us are not obligated to change our speech, but she'll throw a fit and throw you out of the studio if you say a word that she doesn't like."
Calm down, snowflake. No one needs to live by your political correctness. Do you also get mad when we call blind people blind and sighted people sighted when we're talking about blind people? "I'M NOT SIGHTED! I'M JUST A PERSON!" Get a grip.
Cis is a loaded term. Like it means you accept your sex you were “assigned”. Meaning we accept the notion that sex is assigned and not categorized. We’re not playing stupid games with idiots.
Emma Jones It is a new term yeah. But the utility of the word is incorrect by every observable metric. Is your sex assigned? No.
Interestingly, it also assumed an assumption of a gender binary, which makes it not accepted by the intersex community who are genuinely biologically, non-binary.
Ironically, all of this trans bullshit has proven to be overwhelmingly negative for the intersex community, which is the only group of people that have a legitimate biological claim to non binary status. Sad.
@@eschelar There are two sexes, though. It's based on the gametes. People only make sperm and eggs. If there are people who make both or neither (barring accidents, castration, and the like), they can check whichever box(es) makes more sense to them for all I care. No need to go any further than that, though, when gametes are the basis.
@@ascensionblade I don't think I said anything to the contrary.
There are two sexes. These are *categories*.
That doesn't mean that some people can't have categories of more than one.
The colors red and green are both categories. Red is demonstrably not green and green is demonstrably not red. There are apples that are considered "red" (ie Red Delicious) and there are apples that are considered "green" (ie Grannysmith).
Just because a Red Delicious apple has some green on it doesn't make it not a "red" apple, nor would a bit of red on a Grannysmith make it not a "green" apple. No variation of apple coloring would change the definition of the color red or green. Individual samples do not define the category.
Intersex are different from "Trans" people. Intersex people have non-standard chromosomes - and potentially gametes too. Intersex grouping includes multiple conditions, most of which do not have the potential for gametes of both sexes. Trans people would therefore be people who identify as an opposite gender (or non-existent gender) because of reasons that are not biological. Intersex is biological. Even within Intersex, true hermaphroditism is *exceptionally* rare. Probably less than 5 confirmed cases in all of history and even that is debatable.
This is not as relevant for humans as it is for the theory of the argument.
Sex and gender are not uniquely human. But the gender binary does actually remain intact, even within species that normally have a much less rigid gamete/chromosome complement.
In some fish, they can have up to 6 chromosomes. Some fish and reptiles can have Z chromosomes, not just X and Y. Some fish have a normal life cycle where they change gender as they age. Some fish can change sex based on need. There are multiple types of fish that can self-fertilize as well. Still, none of this affects the definitions of the categories, but it does mean that gametes and the lack of evidence of self-fertilization potential within humans is able to argue against Intersex as a condition of non-binary status. Non-binary conditions clearly can exist, even while a gender binary does.
So if you want to use a very robust biological argument, you can't hold to the idea that mono-gametic species are the only way to view sex and gender.
The definition that biology allows, which includes intersex and non-binary conditions does work well with existing evidence.
You can certainly go ahead with the gamete argument, but it gets very difficult when you have a hermaphrodite with XXYY with a functioning penis and semi-functioning testes (without viable sperm production), but with a functioning set of ovaries as well - or for that matter, a female with a fully formed vagina and clitoris, but no ova and non-descended testes instead of ovaries. OK, so no self-fertilization, but there has to be some room in the conversation to allow for genuine, biologically demonstrated intersex conditions.
Even with the potential for self-fertilization, the definition for male and female sexes does not break down because it is a *category*, not dependent on individual samples.
If a person can demonstrate that they have self-fertilization ability, then they can be identified as a true hermaphrodite.
However, using secondary sexual characteristics can allow intersex definitions as well without true hermaphroditism.
The key detail here is that there are actual biological, demonstrable conditions behind this.
If someone simply has a malformed penis, perhaps a diverted urethra or maybe just a twist, but this is a birth defect, not a genetic or chromosomal abnormality, ideally, they would not be classified in the same sense as a person with an identical penis malformation, but a chromosomal cause. This is usually what we find within Intersex communities. If you don't have a genetic condition, you may be tolerated within the group socially, but it is a different type of condition and may simply be repaired by cosmetic surgery (and often is). The same would go for a person who had suffered an injury or surgery and lost crucial tissue that was part of the general definition of male or female. A person who had lost their testicles/ovary/uterus/penis/clitoris would therefore not be considered intersex or non-binary, but simply part of the normal gender binary.
Any honest person from any position on this issue is restricted and disempowered by the shit language that ruins true understating.
“You don’t take away what I am because you choose to change your gender.” Ex f***ing xactly
Why are people so offended by being called cis? It’s not taking away anything from cis people it’s just stating that you are the same gender you were born as
@@lilymarriott3733 No, why use dishonest manipulative language, just to bend over backwards for biological men who wish to transition or self identify as women? Yes it does take away from women, because we don’t believe our sex chosen at birth. People with that herd mentality choose to go along with these ridiculous made up theories just to justify their twisted choices are truly pitiful.
@@tifawt3736 that's a lot of words for "I'm a transphobe"
it’s not taking away from what you are
@@lilymarriott3733 If the word cis means you're stating that you are the same gender you were both as, then everyone is cis. The word cis is unnecessary.
I identify as the head of the BBC and wish to close it down. Can I take the govt to court?
So funny, made my day! 🤣
When Julia demands that there be no change in what a "Woman" is called, those two others just look at her 'slack jawed' like they can't believe their ears.
I love when she takes off her headphones and she's obviously still cussing him out after the show ended. LOL
We all need to stand up & defend this stance. It is imperative that this p.c. language not be accommodated because if we allow these labels to associate to us, they will eventually define us.
Yeah cause its bs what's she saying 😂
@@grrinc ofcours i love to, so i find it not nice it means you dont call trans woman woman cause woman would be only "woman". trans woman are also woman, but those fake transwomans and men make it hard for real transwoman and transmen. now why i like to use cis i cause i find it easyer my self and my friends. most people now a days woulded care if you ask someone. so thats why i use cis woman and transwoman. thanks for asking :)
@@grrinc i find if you call transwoman transwoman you call woman cis woman if you call ciswoman Just woman then i findt that you needt to call trans women also woman🙂
I love Julia Hartley - She just tells it like it is. So refreshing
ju last yes, she is a lovely woman.
Julia Hartley-Brewer for prime minister.
Hahaha. Never. She's a right wing nut.
I absolutely agree she would be great.
@@michaelcarr2874 ...She would be shit.
People like her only want to nitpick from the sidelines. She wouldn't be able to cope with the responsibility and the questions!
Good god *no* . But on this "cis woman" issue I agree with her without any reservation.
Good on her for not accepting that BBC claptrap!!
Well said!!
Uhm...
I’m changing into my favourite Futurama character.
Call me trans-bender
hahahaha
Which Bender he has gone trans before to win the female Olympics though...like what is kinda happening in real life.
His shiny metal butt was ahead of the times.
Absolutely right, why are we bending over backwards to accommodate a very tiny group of people who should have the decency to come to terms with their personality problems.
Brewer says it as it is!!
Unless she's talking about Tommy Robinson.
Good on Julia. The way basic biology and language is being redefined in such a short space of time would astound Stalin and Orwell both.
“Cis” has been a part of medical terminology since the 1910s with Ernst Burchard. It’s not a slur, it was not invented by trans people, let alone the BBC.
But fight your culture war.
Heresjonnyagain when did I ever say the term ‘cis’ was invented by trans people? It dates back much further than 1910. It’s Latin. My objection to the term is that it’s unnecessary. You can literally just say ‘woman’ and ‘man in a dress’. You don’t need to append some unnecessary extra term to the word ‘woman’ to make mentally ill people feel more included. Woman=adult human female
I love her, she is not going to take any crap from anyone. One strong no nonsense lady.
Julia, I love you !!! You speak for me on a daily basis. Thank you 🙏
Those Poor Men, trapped in a mans body, trapped in a womens prison. I understand now.
I wouldn't mind being trapped in a women's prison. I would be the belle of the ball every night.
How can a woman be trapped in a man’s body, or a man be trapped in a woman’s body, Dualism of the most absurd kind.
The best part of this was at the end where JHB takes off her headphones, immediately looks at the guy and mouths, "I'm serious, don't say that."
They are all sex maniacs coming out my backside
She’s acting, like pro wrestlers do.
Peal off the blindfolds 🤡💉
@@mario66mm - *peel.
Well said Julia!!! If someone called me a cis woman I'd be livid. Is it not the same standard that you respect what we'd like to be called? Oh yeah I forgot, double standards...
"A non-trans woman". It's not the norm. One day coming out of the closet is going to be saying you’re straight
Julia speaks the truth and tells it like it is..Love her intellect!❤️
I love how she dealt with this man never will I identify as a cis woman!!!!!!
Julia Hartley Brewer asks Labour MP: 'Can a woman have a penis?' ua-cam.com/video/SSC8-CwMCuM/v-deo.html
Why not have a prison for transgender men only.
Julia rules. Wish we had more women like her in the media who tells it like it is. Respect 👍
I'm left wing but I find her opinions very engaging.
The reason there aren't is that they're immediately labelled as bigoted and transphobic when they disagree with the lunatics.
Bravo to Julia!! Do not allow intersectional language to be used in your presence! It is collectivist claptrap!
''You, sir, chose to be an idiot, I respect your choice. I chose to not discuss with idiots, you respect mine too.'' she should've said.
Agree with everything Julia says, I won’t be called a cis woman.
Stick with Julia who knows a snowflake and dang fool when she sees one.
Julia is a snowflake who was triggered by the word "cis."
Time to revive the word “sissy”. That’s what a lot of these freaks, perverts & sex-obsessives are.
@@thehmc Knowing the truth and standing up for it means "triggered." Got it.
@@timdavis4099 Yes the truth that neither you nor Julia understand how language works, you fragile snowflakes.
@ObsceneObservations Uh no. It is. You're buttblasted over a word. You're a fragile cringebeast. Cry harder, pussies.
"Reeespekkkt my pronoun...BUT I will call you cis, if you want it or not!"
Hum, right!
Cis is not a pronoun...
@@stepho4513 proper noun?
Jason Clarke it’s an Adjective
@@stepho4513 its a slur and designed to be negatove in every way shape and form. Hate speech in its purest form
Northern Alliance Gaming LMAOOOOOOO
Finally someone calls out this bs!! Thank you
I like that woman. She’s got a strong pair.
Iron Ovaries Julia
Thank you Julia, you're voicing the concerns of so many members of the public who understand the implications of changing the meaning of the word 'woman' (to basically include men and therefore have no meaning whatsoever). There will be, and have already been, consequences to these moves; the prison issue, pubescent girls being forced to change in front of boys at school, Girl Guides allowing boys to share tents with girls without parental consent or knowledge....etc., etc., people with a higher public profile have been afraid to speak out, but they need to before things get even worse for women-real women.
Isn’t this subject a bit of a drag?
Haaaaa
Yass queen
I see what you did there😂😂
lol x
@wearealltubes It's behind you! Ooerrr!!
With u 100% I am a WOMAN and proud of it 🥰🥰
These people are in prison. Fundamentally, if you are a convicted prisoner, you have no rights. You threw them out the day you committed a crime.
Bending over backwards is quickly becoming bending over forwards.
That's cisbent to you damn it...
You go to prison, you lose all privileges. That includes any decision to transition.
They wont say "woman" cause they dont want us to have the full recognition we deserve.
“So if I said ‘non-trans woman’”
Has it seriously gotten to this point ??
I don't see why it's controversial to differentiate between women who were born women and those who transitioned.
@@Paul2377 Neither do I. In fact I insist on it, which is why 'woman' and 'transwoman' suffice.
@@catwoman7462 Fair enough. I'd say cis women and trans women to differentiate - but to each their own!
@@Paul2377 The point is that 'women' don't need a prefix, only transwomen do as they are not women.
@@catwoman7462 In your opinion. I choose to use a prefix, you choose not to. The world keeps on spinning.
Tax payers pay for this........
Pay for what?
People to play with their genders..........the whole point of the conversation.......🙄
yiyodder keep up!
As always well done Julia. I’m fed up with pandering to the minority.
I feel sorry for you. It must be shit being so bitter and hateful. Have you seen how feminine and beautiful some trans women are. Not something you could ever be I'm afraid.
You are dumb. The term "cisgender" is not a slur.
@Lester Piglet Why's that?
Rosalie Christine Black ok karen
Leonora Erskine How Rude ! That is one of the most bitter and hateful comments I’ve seen are you really that idiotic ... you leftists are the new Nazis give that head a wobble and please get educated in basis anatomy and social skills please
I'm a man not cis man, I'm glad to hear women don't want to be called cis women.
She really hates the Construction Industry Scheme!
Saying "biological men" is as bad as saying "CIS men." Both terms imply that there are different kinds of men.
i think its mentally healthy man and mentally unhealthy man lol so man that want to be treated as women sued not be put in jail but a mental institution
There are plenty of different kinds of men, but none of them were born with vaginas.
By your logic so to say 'man' is as bad as saying 'woman' because there are people who don't think they are either of the 2 ... lets just get rid of identity and are tear down the seams of society... everything should be nothing
@@cris7089 People who don't think they are either of the two are either
A: delusional
B: starved for attention
C: Part of the crowd weaponizing identity for authoritarian purposes.
D: All of the above.
@@justinecooper9575 agreed
BBC CLAPTRAP..!!! LOVE HER STYLE.
Steve Parker
The BBC is full of claptrap.
The scary thing is so many people still think it's a credible source of information.
God help us.
She's just a mercenary. If the BBC employ her she's will go by the directives
leemsy lazy
Perhaps.
But I doubt she would lower her standards to rock bottom.
What the fuck does this have to do with the BBC????
@@environmentalhealthhazard9618 Very simple the BBC is actively pro gay, they have policy of 10% gay employees, while the % in the real world is 1.7% men and 0.7% women. More bullshit from the Bullshit Broadcasting Corp
I identify as an attack helicopter
I agree. I hate the C-word.
'The fiery Godmother' of morning radio! Love JHB!!
Well said Julia I'm so with you on this 👏👏👏🤦♀️👍
As are 99% of population. Anyone that calls me that will have to take it back as it's offensive and we are all supposed to respect everyone's choice.
I identify as a tower of blocks!
Does that make me trans-jenga?
Lmaoooo 😂😂
Well said, Julia!!
By this guy's logic there's no reason for having separate prisons to begin with.
Well said Julia love the smackdown you laid on this fool.
Well said Julia. "cis"-woman - what idiot came up with that word?
It’s my right as a women xx to be called a women. End
Love JHB she is wonderful and what she says is correct ,what is happening to the U.K. it is going mad I wake up every morning in disbelief of what I hear by all the lefty nutters ❤️🇬🇧🏴
Transphobic isn't a real word!
Alien prophet Being called an “ism” an “ist” or a “phob” of some sort now just proves that you made a factual point they can’t beat!
Activate name/label defence.
How can a man fear another man who wants to be a woman?
Leonard Chornomaz lol, I came here to say, realityphobic should be a real word though. Great minds, eh 👍😉
Enerystatic when that man is a psychotic sexual predator?
@@Metolius9 omfg Dude, not every trans Person is a fucking pedo. Yes there are some predators but those are like 5 out of thousands. Being trans doesn't make you a pedo, being a pedo makes you a pedo.
100% correct, call me cis, next call for an ambulance
' Sis women , BBC clap trap ' 😁luv it .
Go Girl , Julia for PM .