HAHA!!!! Good one! It's one of my favourite classes. I'm partial to the Akira, New Orleans, and Norway classes too. Sovereign-class is a beauty, too. Too many to choose from.
I would argue the Nebula class was the most important and effective Federation starship in the Dominion war. The Sovereign class was the top of the line but they never saw action. They were probably guarding Earth. The Galaxy was only slightly more powerful but had a much larger hit box and weak armor due to not being designed as a warship. Although classified as science vessel the Nebula proved to be more flexible with the added combat module. Nebula class may have had stronger armor to begin with if the science missions called for studying black holes and exploding stars. There are a lot of dangerous things in space that do not involve warfare. At the same time these science things could be adapted and turned around and used in war. That is what happened with the Nebula class during the Dominion war, they adapted to their new roles far better than the Galaxy class.
Slight correction: In the episode "The Wounded" Gul Macet was surprised the Federation could read the transponder codes. These codes are usually encrypted so the fact that the Federation had already broken that encryption was what caught him off guard. This is more of an indication of the proficienty of Federation Intelligence, not a comparison of technological advancement. To me anyway.
I always looked at it as an advancement of their tech..but I can see that as well. The way Picard skims past it and doesnt try to discuss it is priceless
@@BruderEngel *Picard waves hand in front of Macet's face* "This is not the exposition you're looking for." *Macet frowns* "Picard, are you seriously trying to use a Jedi mind trick on me?"
If the main bridge sustained that much damage, the Officer Commanding(OC) and those on bridge watch, would be dead. A direct hit, The Executive Officer's(XO) battle station is in auxiliary. The XO is first in command after the OC.
@@djbrouwer7712 Iv seen a galaxy class with 3 warp nacelles and two triangular pods. It's in a mod for the video game Star Trek legacy. ua-cam.com/video/awH59caDFf8/v-deo.html
It makes sense. The Galaxy saucer section is a self contained ship anyway, so take that as a base and add the nacelles back on, and make the upper pod mission swapable. There was lots of extra space in the Galaxy saucer for the things that were normally in the secondary hull. The Nebula should have been substantially cheaper than a Galaxy, but where the Galaxy could do everything at once, the Nebula would do whatever the pod was meant for best, and have less capability in the other areas.
It's what i always considered it to be. Nothing wrong with the Miranda with it being my 2nd favorite Star Trek ship design after the Constitution refit.
It is the 24th Century Miranda. Building just one Galaxy-class ship is a resource-hogging project that simply needs a lot of time and materials so it shouldn't be any surprise that Starfleet Command decided to have a variant that's much faster build but use at least 85-90% of the components for a Galaxy-class ship. Unlike the Miranda-class, the Nebula-class are designed to be modular in mind, which means less resources are needed to build a new ship for a specific task and it's just cost effective by using off-the-shelf technology. Each Nebula-class ship has different mission parameters which allows Starfleet to have a lot of options in which ship can be assigned based on who's in command and the specialties needed for that task. The level of flexibility of a Nebula far outweighs necessity of creating more Galaxy-classes. That's until the Dominion War, of course. I can imagine Starfleet building a reasonable amount of more Nebulas than Galaxy-classes due to the reasons stated above. I like to think the cost of 1 Galaxy-class ship is equal to the cost of 2 or 3 Nebula-class ships.
I like the Nebula- But I don't like how it was treated throughout the shows, the Galaxy class is seen as a tough as nails battleship in the Dominion war, the Nebula is a barely downgraded version, hell it is superior in some ways, it has a far smaller target profile for instance, but it is treated as canon-fodder, or just completely forgotten about, those things are huge they could be a flagship of a fleet for christ's sake! But no, it's treated as a glorified Miranda-Class... Wait- It kinda is a Miranda class...
The Nebula isn’t just downgraded from the Galaxy. Internally, it’s an entirely different ship. I’m not knocking it at all and it certainly has the size to pull off what you claim, but despite its appearance, I wouldn’t compare it to the galaxy class.
One thing I always found amusing about the Nebula class was the idea that it was weaker than the Galaxy class when from a tactical standpoint it has a far better design with a narrower profile making it harder to hit and generally meaning it takes less hits, less structural weak-points like the Galaxy classes neck meaning the ship is most likely more maneuverable than the Galaxy because it is less likely to tear itself in half during high speed maneuvers, and its vulnerable points such as the engineering section are better protected because of its compact design (the engineering section can only be targeted from below the shit at an angle great enough to avoid the nacelle pylons due to the positioning of the saucer section and nacelle pylons, additionally the Bridge is also somewhat more protected by the dorsal superstructure than the Galaxy classes but since according to alpha canon the Nebula is also capable of saucer separation it stands to reason that there would also be a battle bridge in a safer area of the secondary hull so that is not as important) All this while being built with the same components as a Galaxy including (most importantly) the same power plant (a 1500+ Cochrane warp core) meaning they both had the same amount of power available to power things like shields and phasors.
@@OldUKAds Please..they did the same with the New Orleans class and added 3 marker pens to that thing aswell...Which makes it a bit ironic that these pods are supposed to house sensors...i.e. "mark" things :D
What's funny about the era of pacifism with the federation in TNG is that the Federation was only a few years removed from a war with the smaller, technologically outmatched Cardassia that resulted in a seeming stalemate and Cardassia appearing to get the better of the cease fire terms, with the "oh so big and powerful" Federation choosing to give up a bunch of colonized planets to Cardassia to pacify them. In a handful of episodes they seem to indicate that despite their ships being fewer in number and far less formidable, they regularly won or fought to draws in engagements with Federation fleets through use of superior tactics, ambushes, traps, deception, and trickery, with the end result being what several high ranking Federation officers equated as a victory over the Federation, given that the cease fire terms were so much in Cardassia's favor. Personally, I always wondered if Roddenberry always meant for the Federation-Cardassian war of 10-15 years past to be an allagory to Vietnam.
I think what made the Federation agree to unfavourable terms or so our perception of the peace signed with them makes us think this, is during this time the Romulans reappeared with what appeared to be a big powerful ship that dwarfs starfleets biggest and there was a fear from the Federation that war might break out between them. Also Worf 359 had only recently occurred and there was concerns of another Borg incursion. So with those 2 threats in the forefront being able to move assets off the Cardassian front and have them stand ready for either the Romulans or Borg was worth giving up a few colonies. The Federation had the Cardassians contained and could come back to the conflict once the other 2 threats were neutralised however you then have the Dominion enter the fray. 3 far bigger threats than the Cardassian Union
@@matthewdoyle9579 the federation-cardassian war I was describing happened 10-15 years prior to the first episode of TNG, long before the Romulans ended their isolation and let the rest of the quadrant know of their D'deridex class warbirds, and equally long before the Federation knew anything about the borg other than stories from refugees coming from the far reaches of the beta quadrant.
It's a bit unfair to call it "a poor man's Galaxy Class", after all if you design and build something like the Galaxy Class line with all the newest bells and whistles to take all of the most prestigious roles in the fleet and push the current technology as far as you can with a single ship design, then it makes sense to take a step back after that is finished evaluate what was learned designing that ship, observe what is and isn't useful in practice, and design a more mass producible variation having refined the design down to its most essential elements. One is the thoroughbred of the fleet that can be a symbol and the other is the work horse that gets things done (or at least that's the mind set in such a design process). A similar example of this type of design framework (from an entirely different franchise) would be the GAT-X105 Strike Gundam (a prototype with all the bells and whistles) and the GAT-01A1 Dagger (a mass produced refinement of the prototype). Overall I like the mind set that went into coming up with the Nebula, you can't have the best and most powerful ships doing everything, there aren't enough of them, and you can't rely on the old and outdated hardware Starfleet seems to have doing most jobs (Miranda class, Oberth class, Excelsior class, or Constilation class etc.) for a lot of more dangerous roles. So you design an efficient modern platform that can be rolled out in greater numbers suitable for a wide range of roles and is simply good enough to do the job without being overly excess to requirements.
Yep, the Galaxy Class is the luxury sedan that you trot out for special occasions while the Nebula is the standard compact you drive to work, similar to the relationship between, say, the Honda Acura and the Honda Accord or Camry.
The galaxy class didn't get sinks...that was so yesterday. They through those on the first nebula class ships. But yeah, it was obviously just a cheaper Galaxy class ship, easier to build and used for lesser missions...until they realized it was a floating coffin during the the build up to the Dominion War. But actually when we see the Phoenix, we get an idea why Starfleet was the way they were. Outside of the Klingon and the Romulans, (one of which they had made peace with and the other who was MIA for years) the Federation really didn't have to try very hard to defend itself against enemies. The Enterprise D took down a Cardassian ship's shields in one hit and the Phoenix was whipping the floor with Cardassian cruisers. It shows you why they were pacifistic during the TNG era. They had no matches.
How to build a nebula class! Take a galaxy class and remove the neck. Take the secondary hull and push it under the saucer section. Then remove the flat back end of the secondary hull and remove the the warp nacelles. Move the Warp nacelles so that they are parallel to the secondary hull under the saucer section. Finally put a pizza slice on top and have a little piece that holds the three sections in the back. If you don't want a pizza slice version there is an optional version with an oval plate that can be found. The Oval plate version does have the stupid long struts meaning that you will need to beam into the oval part or walk 500 miles.
@@chrissonofpear3657 you have to remember that Starfleet has Allied itself with the time Lords, therefore all their ships are simultaneously bigger and smaller on the inside
@@Predator42ID Considering that the Prometheus looked to be even more built to fight the Borg than the defiant did..that would make sense... After all,the Defiant still needed a full crew to work properly...NX Prometheus was faster,probably heavier armed,and could become 3 vessels with more or less the same fighting power that the combined,full vessel had...And could be crewed by less than a dozen crew,or even 2 holograms(i.e. 2 men) It would make sense to just have 2 Prometheus flying around for secrecy
I always thought Nebulas made perfect sense if they're designed to be modular. The pod and warp core and maybe impulse stuff seems to be on the same column through the ship. Starfleet, if you don't assume they're stupid, might well have been, "Well, we don't need to field a lot of warships right now, let's build something we can drop battley stuff into when this situation inevitably doesn't last ...and not have to build a whole other fleet in the meantime." If they designed it modular, and able to handle the extra power in its systems, that way it really is kind of a minor refit, let the engineers build kickarse pods out of something that was all sorted out and waiting, with the engineers putting together and testing *modules* so they can be there when a ship pulls in for new mission profile: you don't even have to transfer crews, just connect, doubtless do a bit of fettling, baddabing.
I understand why- I love sleek compact designs, like the Defiant and the Whitestar from B5, and the Nebula is a great looking ship... Yeah it's a split in half Galaxy-- But still.
The Nebula has a special place in that its the first proper 24th century starship design we see beyond the Galaxy-class. Up until that point, Starfleet seemed to be mostly comprised of ships seen in the TOS movies (for obvious budgetary reasons). It was nice to see a ship with Galaxy-class design style to it, instead of just another Excelsior-class. The Ambassador-class served as the first instance of a new Starfleet design and I don't think was ever seen again after Yesterday's Enterprise. I always found it strange that Miranda and Oberth-class ships were still flying around, but the Ambassador-class seemed to be completely retired despite being a far newer design.
Generally in naval design a prototype vessel is launched and that countries navy tries to work out the bugs in it before mass producing it. The Galaxy prototype was probably seen as too time consuming to build at least to keep up with Starfleet's plan to gradually phase out the Excelsior and Ambassador classes , the Nebula class was probably done to keep Starfleet from experiencing a drastic force reduction while still maintaining the basic design principles of the Galaxy class. I would not go so far to say Starfleet was being overly pacifistic in "The Wounded" as strategically practical- Starfleet had just had their butts kicked by the Borg at Wolf 359 and didn't want Maxwell starting a war with the Cardassians while Starfleet was recovering from their losses and trying to develop the Defiant class, which ultimately lead to the setup of the DMZ and the rise of the Maquis.
Honestly? Nebula is my favorite class second only to the Sovereign - The compact, modular design makes a ton of sense; especially if the cost of mass producing major fleet ships is prohibitive. Being able to go from a sensor pallet to a hospital pallet then to a combat pallet and still have the full functionality of the rest of the ship makes total sense; and I would wager that the ship's saucer is still able to separate. Its also one of my pet peeves from a technical nitpicky standpoint - they seem to have a ton of trouble figuring out what 'impulse engines' are and where the hell they belong.
I think the biggest appeal is that it's very Miranda-ish. Like one that fits with the new design style. In a way similar to how the Miranda fit with the Constitution refit. And the Miranda class is very loved.
I think it's a better design overall. Same bits (arguably more with the pod) but in a more compact design. But it does show its kitbash origins with the main shuttlebay facing the pod support pylon - probably should have split the shuttlebay in two with two separate doors spaced a bit further apart, even if they share a single hangar. Or they could have just moved it outright up to the pod.
When I first saw this ship, I thought “Now that’s practical”. After I saw the specs in Bridge Commander, I thought this was definitely THE ship of the federation. Especially since it has a dorsal hard point that could mount weapon systems or science modules. It even looks cooler, especially with a massive cannon on top. And it’s half the price of a galaxy.
One thing that I find people miss is the possibility that one of the roles of the Nebula was to recover the saucer sections of downed or lost Galaxy class ships - hence why one showed in orbit after the D saucer was ditched.
Then that would mean the Defiant class wasn't warp capable as the nacelles were on either side of the ship and had less space between them due to the smaller beam of that class. Either that, or those ships used some sort of non-standard warp configuration, had special shields or thicker armor between the nacelles and the crew and/or employed a different type of warp nacelle technology to make that kind of configuration safe.
I always thought the Galaxy was meant to go out for 5-10years into deep space, hence needing to be comfortable as all heck and have tons of Storage space and a large deuterium tank and more than.a few extra antimatter storage pods. Nebula on.the other hand seemed to be more of a border patrol, in.federation space oriented ship. Ie nebula is your daily runner, galaxy is your long distance explorer.
You aren't wrong. The Galaxy was meant to go on deep space missions, but they ended up being so big and so expensive that losing one was too big a blow to risk sending them out there. So starfleet kept them close to home, ferrying diplomats back and forth.
Like the video states, we don't see it very much on screen, or at least not as much as some other classes. Had we, i would have guessed this to be SF's new workhorse. Flexible, modifiable, modern, yet more compact and cheaper then the Galaxy class. She could be all you needed her to be, based on the mission profile. You want a border patrol or intelligence cruiser, shove that AWACS like dish on top (assuming it's an "electronic" warfare package). Want a transport and/or evacuation ship, take that off, shove in some extra warp nacelles for added speed. Want a torpedo/bomber platform, yet again, take off the extra nacelles and strap on that weapons module. What's not to like? Of course, we don't see it enough (especially in action) to know if all these seemingly logical "assumptions" are factual.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 , still nowhere near as flexible and affordable as passing around modules, while the basic ship remains the same. Not to mention, you'd be stuck with essentially with a whole ship in the case of changing entire saucer sections.
I loved the Nebula class for its amazing versatility. The swappable mission pod makes it ideal for everything from long range surveillance, border patrol, and combat, to medical and civilian evacuation.
My personal head-canon is that the Nebula was a cheaper, more easily built Galaxy variant that had a role that was never discussed directly in canon - it was a saucer recovery vessel for when a Galaxy had separated and lost it's primary hull (hence its appearance in Generations).
I like to think that the Galaxy class were more expensive, but longer ranged than the Nebulas. So, Nebulas range over smaller areas, and Galaxys find more -monsters of the week- _exciting discoveries!_
@@absalomdraconis It's pretty clear that the two were split between a generalist, deep-space, long-term role and a more mission specific, local, short-range jobs. Hence the huge reserves of energy and the more comfortable surroundings of the Galaxy as opposed to the more bare-bones Nebula with it's adaptable mission pod for whatever the mission required
@@absalomdraconis Makes sense, too, if say, the Galaxy's laid out to be optimized to go a really long time without major refits, maybe very far from a spacedock, ...the Nebulas being designed for refits to change mission to ....not be major. Have your modules mostly-built, if war comes, maybe put your latest and best weapons and power systems there, then when Nebula ship arrives, give crews a week of rotating leave and slot that stuff right in. :)
I've always viewed the Nebula class as a... Ehm...nebula research vessel (I'm a regular Sherlock 😂). Think of it as a Galaxy class (fancy apartment complex in space) but instead of its mission being exploration in terms of seeking out new life and civilizations, its primary mission was to discover new stuff in various nebula fogs, that's why it has that big lump of sesor arrays on its ass... In wartime, in my opinion, both Galaxy and Nebula classes should have been retrofited as carrier/bombers since they can never be manuverable enough to be battleships (they already have those 360 saucer phasers for defensive purpouses) . One just needs to scoop out most of those apartments, add more hanger bays instead of them and viola - carrier has arrived 😂
This is a random thought, but when you said the weapons range was 300,000 kilometers, it hit me that, in a fleet that operates on an interstellar scale, they should probably start measuring things in megameters and gigameters if they want to stick with SI.
Starfleet always makes me mad at some point. Their pacifism and no war ships are two of them. Just because you are a peaceful organization, you should always have a fleet of warships stored away somewhere and trained soldiers like the MACO's ready whenever.
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You do realise that resources are limited right? Their model is also surprisingly often used too. Cold War NATO strategy relied on a small border force that would get f*cked if the Russians invaded, and their only point was to buy time. FOFA would then wipe out what came after the spearhead, further slowing down the spearhead first echelon troops, all the while NATO mobilised and trained a vast army of conscripted soldiers. Of this the revervists would be 'done' the quickest in just a few weeks, while in a few months there'd be a massive fighting force with vast technological superiority facing the Russians. NATO literally planned to simply take the beatings and lose territory while it scrambled to respond to a Russian invasion. The alternative would've been an arms race that would've derailed the economy of most NATO countries. People weren't willing to pay that price. Sure enough the Warsaw Pact, meaning Russia and its slave-states, collapsed from the strain on their inefficient economic system, caused by wanting to maintain a massive army of agression that outnumbered NATO. So just like Starfleet, NATO had a 'just good enough' military presence and their plan consisted out of having that presence get beat down to buy time to build something better.
@ the problem with that is the fact that nato nations did not do that with their navies. you can get away with that with ground forces and to a lesser degree air forces but not with a navy. ships and crew take more time to train and build.
@ On the contrary. They have replicators at this point. While those do require resources, those resources could literally be anything. Human waste, scrap metal, otherwise unremarkable asteroids, etc...
One of the nebula classes strengths is it's ability to be refit and take on different roles within a few hours although its Primary role is a science vessel. Even a carrier as you pointed out.
I do love the variety of ships in Star Trek. Hilariously I frequently got confused and thought the Oberth class was this ship as a picture you used a lot was a teeny tiny Oberth against a massive Nebula class. Star Fleet loves its saucers.
It would've been interesting if the saucer separation idea had been more flushed out on the show. It would've made a lot of sense to see to Galaxy's and Neb's being rushed out of the ship yards and into the Dominion war without any expensive / bulky saucers for example. Actually It would've been pretty neat if "starfleet" had designed a range of different saucer sizes, shapes, designs that could easily be swapped out at star bases for different roles and easy refits. It would've looked more practical than slapping a 3rd nacelle on the back of the enterprise.... or at least made shuttle pilots less aggravated. They could've swapped out the saucer section every season to explain different sets and give her a different look.. like she was evolving or growing. whatever..
From what I gather.. and, mind, I detest what the Federation had become at this point.. The Galaxy Class was intended to be the "last word" on deep space exploration, new species first contact, extremely high level scientific mission undertaking, interplanetary negotiation, and integration of career officers and their families, that said missions not interfere with the experience of raising said families. And it had "provisions for self defense." Those "provisions" being a gun and torpedo count about equal in number to a Constitution-class, but with a more flexible layout. Did we ever see a Galaxy fire its rear arc phaser strips? It HAD them, though. The Nebula-class, from everything I've read - which often contradicts itself - really should be considered the Miranda to the Galaxy. Or, better yet, the mid-grade Miranda derivative between Ambassador and Galaxy, utilizing proven components from both. The problem, and I think the in-universe reason it's seen so few times - would be cost and, while it had modular mission pods like the Mirandas, it wasn't as capable of accepting spaceframe upgrades nearly as cheaply as the Mirandas were, compared to their parent Constitutions. Again, this is probably the result of the Nebulas being a middle step between mature Ambassador technologies, and emerging Galaxy ones. Keep in mind, the 1701 was already 20+ years old when Kirk got ahold of her. By that time, the Connies were mature technology, and upgrades incremental while Starfleet studied the next big generational leap (TransWarp, and the Excelsior class). The 2270's upgrade was more or less "because they had to" - as new class designs weren't in the pipe yet, and the, by then, 35+ year old Connies were still roughly equal to Starfleet's competitors - the "refit Constitutions" being a solid step forward with well developed technology explored, apparently, first on the Mirandas. It, thus, would be more fair to compare the first-run Connies to the Ambassadors, the Nebulas to the Mirandas, the refit Connies to the Galaxies, and the Excelsiors to the Sovereigns. Generationally speaking. This being said, the Mirandas were super successful because they were small and cheap. They were, nominally, Light Cruisers, that, while armed as well as a Heavy Cruiser, didn't have the power output or speed to really last in a standing engagement like a Heavy did. Khan achieved an advantage over Kirk by hitting the Enterprise while its shields were down, and thus preventing him from using them, which would have made the fight between the two ships far different - despite both having inexperienced crews, the Connie would win that match on paper, as it had superior power output capability, to keep shields, weapons, and life support on line longer. The Nebulas represented everything wrong with Starfleet at the time. It was a bloated project rife with Mission Creep, that was a monster sized ship compared to the small, nimble Miranda it was (apparently intended) to replace. While it reused the "mission pod" rollbar concept that the Mirandas had, its mission pods seemed to be much harder to mount. Or, at least, required more precise "ship surgery" than the apparently bolt-on, bolt-off Miranda rollbar. The Mirandas themselves were adapted with easy modification to a number of different roles, such as the Bozeman being, basically, a border patrol vessel with extra phaser cannons to fight off pirates and raiders with. The Nebulas? I'm willing to wager the cost of such an adaptation or conversion would be expensive enough to forego it. In fact, I wonder if the Mission Pods ended up causing significant delays and Starfleet neglected to construct the logistical footprint necessary to replace them at just any old Starbase. SO! In short, the Nebulas are bloated, expensive, overloaded attempts to build a proper "adapted Light Cruiser" that ended up being so expensive, true Light Cruisers were probably made instead - Niagra or Challenger, would be my bet, as they share design elements.
I dispute describing the Federation as "pacifistic" not least because it continued to build huge vessels armed to the teeth! But I agree it became increasingly "complacent" and it took years to knock that complacency away. However, the change began really with contact with the Borg. That heralded a great shift towards finding a way to upgrade weapons, design more battle-specific warships, and (evidently) ways to upgrade old ships in mothballs to make them battle-worthy. Until that was ready, they (wisely) stalled for time. One consequence of this was how much more powerful both Galaxy and Nebula classes became in the first few months (maybe weeks) of the Dominion War. It even showed up in the Battle for Sector 001 in FIRST CONTACT in which a smaller fleet than the one at Wolfe 359 seriously damaged then destroyed a Borg Cube.
I wouldn't call them pacifistic either, but neither were they really militaristic either. They prefered negotiations to fighting, but were willing to fight when it came down to it. But as a strait up military, they failed in a lot of areas drastically. Did an excellent job with non military persuits, exploration, scientific discovery, diplomacy, etc, and did a decent job at some general police work. The Borg did kind of give them a bit of a wakeup call and then came the Dominion war.
@@Krahazik In general I agree. However, "militaristic" tends to imply a desire for military values and military action. Hence we would speak of Germany for much of the 19th and first half of the 20th centuries being militaristic. Ditto Japan. Yet while the UK post WWI was not militaristic, they still funded a magnificent navy while making the terrible tactical error of underestimating the value of efficient attack airplanes. Had they not done so, their forces would have fared far better in the first few years of WWII. The French likewise were not militaristic but neither were they pacifistic, simply making a series of terrible tactical errors, mostly about the proper use of tanks. Both were also complacent. But I am arguing nuance here, albeit nuance seems to me potentially important.
@@DavidMacDowellBlue I mention it a speople keep tending to analyze Starfleet with the same standards that you would apply to say the US navy or Army and in some cases making such comparisons and then going on about how terible starfleet was at such a role. Like analying the New York Police force and comparing it to the US Army or other Army. In such a case, neither is going to compare favorably.
@@Krahazik But Starfleet is the Federation's navy. The Federation goes to war, and Starfleet is, as far as we can see from the shows and movies, the first last and only armed spaceborne organisation. Hell, Starfleet even seems to provide ground troops in the 24th century, from what little planetside conflict we've actually seen. Nor the Battle to the Strong and Siege of AR-558 are the two most prominent examples.
I don't know if I'd call the Nebula a "poor man's Galaxy class" given it had other fleet roles than the Galaxy, and given the size of the fleet they couldn't make the Galaxy the "standard" starship the way the Constitution was portrayed in TOS
you keep saying the Enterprise has no armor. During the battle in Generations where it's shields were rendered useless it took repeated hits from a Klingon bird of prey without being destroyed where as the Klingon bird of prey with shields down took a single photon torpedo, and exploded. I'd say the Enterprise is a pretty tough ship.
@@danieltester5553 Nah, remember the Odyssey also took several direct hits from Dominion attack ships while their shields were rendered useless by the Dominion antipolaron beams. The Galaxy was a tough ship.
I agree with you all. For it's time it had good armor. It was built before the Defiant or Soverign that had ablative armor so that must be remembered when comparing to either of those ships.
Keep in mind, though, that the B'Rel bird of prey that the Duras sisters were using was something like 20 years obsolete and ablative armor had come a long way since then; a top-of-the-line B'Rel with more modern disruptor cannons could have shredded the Enterprise's armor a lot more effectively.
Best commentary ever! Big problem was size. It's supposed to be a frigate, Okyda commissioned it but the builder used molds for the 4' Enterprise. So it's size varies if it's next to the 4' or Big E.
@@BirdOPrey5 must be man. Ugh. Yo bird can you see if you have any luck finding the last 4 hours of the stream? I can't find it though UA-cam played it for a few minutes..
I've looked at it differently recently as well. I have come to the conclusion that the saucer and nacelles on the Nebulas might actually smaller than their Galaxy class counterparts. The shapes are the same, but when the Nebula is side-by-side with an Ambassador class in the DS9 pilot, they are roughly the same size... leading me to believe that the Nebula's saucer isn't just some stock Galaxy class saucer that got the bad luck of being turned into a Nebula instead of a Galaxy.
Interesting ship. Seems to be the next generation Miranda class and seems to be the next generation sister ship to the Galaxy as the Maranda was to the Enterprise Class (or is that refitted Constitution class?). As such it seems to be a much more affordable work horse vessel to supplement the more prostegeous Galaxy class. So question: why did the Federation have so many classes of starship instead of mass producing and refining a few proven designs like the Dominion?
Because no real world navy just mass produces 2 or 3 designs of ships. Hell, even within the same class no 2 ships are identical in a real world navy. I know this is sci fi, but Starfleet is largely based on the US and UK navies.
Largely due to how each society is structured would be my guess. The Dominion is highly homogenized and militarized society, focused on a singular, collective goal to bring order to the Galaxy. As such their designs are geared toward combat effectiveness and being as identical to one another as possible to facilitate faster construction and repairs while also allowing the crews and commanders the ability to be familiar with any ship they transfer to and cut down on acclimation time when going to a different ship. The Federation and Starfleet are a far more artistic and meritocracy driven society in that the best rise to the top and help shape and drive the direction of society. That, plus the amalgamated nature of uniting over a hundred different species with many more aesthetic, engineering, design and functionality ideas and plans means there is a high level of competition to be the one with the best idea and to implement their idea first so their intellectual competition can't. So we see a much wider range of designs and layouts of ships that reflect the ideologies of whoever was in charge at that time. On top of that, some designs are made specifically to test one particular idea or new technology and prove it's efficacy before the investment is made to retrofit active duty ships with whatever that particular ship was testing. Also consider, the Dominion has been ruling their part of the Gamma Quadrant for far, far longer than the Federation, Starfleet or most of the member worlds have even had warp drive, so they've had a lot more lead time to experiment and refine their ship designs to the point that, barring any revolutionary new technological achievements, they're essentially perfect for the Dominion's needs whereas Starfleet is still finding out what does and doesn't work in terms of ship design.
I've long absolutely loved the Nebula ships. Aesthetically, they just look great and the design works very well as either a long-distance exploration vessel or a straight-up warship.
I prefer the Nebula class starship over the Galaxy anytime. The Nebula class is a more practical combat vessel than the Galaxy to me. The Galaxy just has too many vulnerable blind spots that can be exploited by a smaller vessel.
I do love the Galaxy class, but I would agree the nebula is a better design for a combat vessel, especially if you were to actuallygive the thing armor plating so that it can still take a little bit of a pounding without shields.
Galaxy class has a larger surface area, allowing for more weapons to be implemented if needed. Larger cargo space. Detachable saucer section. 2 more holodecks (always need more holodecks) and space to accommodate boarding troops or ground teams.
Galaxy Class is like a big dreadnought meant to lay down fire from range. Nebula is intended to mix it up more with maneuver, and as a screen for Galaxies and Sovereigns.
The Nebula Class is the Galaxy with the primary components (saucer, engineering, and nacelles) tetrised into a more compact overall profile. There is absolutely no reason to believe it is even the smallest amount of "less capable" than the Galaxy. The Cardassians clearly found it to be formidable, and Picard's actions made it appear the class had capabilities that were not well known. It is one of the classes of ship that would have survived the Delta trip where many would not have. In my estimation, it is the best class in all of Trek.
I was on the train when watching this video and when you said "from scientific exploits to let's fuck up a Jem Hadar's day" I laughed outloud and scared the poor school girls next to me. Your unexpected comments like those are always fantastic.
Great video thanks for that awesome breakdown, I always loved learning this technical stuff of ships but they really go into this kind of stuff I think the ship they probably talked about the most was the defiant which is my personal favorite......
Would love the Nebula class of the 24th.century remove the below hull & hopefully the new Nebula class could go to warp-10 with the removal of the under-hull.
In my own head canon, all Starfleet ships have hulls made out of Tritanum layered with duranium. Also, we must assume that they also incorporate the hull hardening technology from Enterprise from before Star Fleet had shield technology. 12,000 °Celsius was about the maximum tolerance of the Enterprise-D's hull temperature within a star's corona. Even in TOS, when the Enterprise was falling through the Earth's atmosphere when it went back in time, the hull heated up to some crazy high hull temp. Ship hulls are tough cookies. They have to be to take the stress and tolerance of warp space travel.
@@Dargonhuman I'm going by the assumption they took a Galaxy saucer and attached it to a different secondary hull, and based on pictures the shuttle bay opening is still there but that big pylon means shuttles would have to enter/exit from the left or right or crash.
5:24 I like to think (and I'm certainly not the first person who's proposed it) that this was not the bridge of the Sutherland. Maybe it was another room entirely (Aux control or Battle Bridge [assuming the Nebula-class can separate which I have seen suggested somewhere]), or some kind of placeholder plugin bridge...
So you take a Galaxy class ship, separate the saucer. Remove the neck and weld the secondary hull upside down onto the saucer and give it a hat welded to the top of the saucer and boom... you just made a Nebula Class
I always felt that the Nebula and Miranda class ships were designed more for combat that the Galaxy/Constitution classes. It's more compact, less exposed weak points, appear to be fitted with more armaments (or easily upgradable), etc.
I seem to remember reading or hearing that Starfleet balked at just how material intensive the Galaxy proved to be and ordered several ships slated to become Galaxies to be scaled down. And thus the Nebula was born. But it's entirely possible that that information came from a video game, often the gamma canon.
Galaxy > Nebula Constitution > Miranda Sovereign > ??? Now that would be a cool looking ship, and considering how tough and combat orientated the Sovereign is, damn formidable. Someone with the animation skills should do a probable mockup. Blended primary and secondary hull with nacelles close underneath, the only issue is what would the module/rollbar look like ? And was there ever a saucer variant of the Excelsior ?
There sort of was with the Centaur, but the scale is a little wonky; since IRL it was kitbashed with parts from Excelsior and Reliant models at different scales, it either has an Excelsior saucer with an oversized Miranda torpedo pod, or a regular sized torpedo pod with a shrunk-down Excelsior-style saucer.
Well the frame is pretty large from the start. If it was designed with adaptability in mind it means that a "cargo variant" or "scientific variant" will be radically different compared with a "heavy cruiser" variant in accommodations for the crew, lab space, available power or warp drive. The Miranda was a prime example of this and even the excelsior in all it's refits varies a lot in "power". So i can see the "Nebula class" jumping from punch bag to boxer in the event of a war. Cram all that available space with weapons power and shields, reduce crew space from apartments to bunk setups and you would get a pretty nasty warship.
I actually like the core idea of the Nebula. Much like the Miranda, but more so, you had a ship that could be built anyway you needed to, without building/designing an entirely new frame. True, she'd never match the firepower of an Akira, Defiant, or Sovereign, but you still had the ability to make a better combat ship, without needing to design one. Similarly, with only relatively minor changes, the same frame could be dedicated to science, diplomacy, medical, cargo, strike-craft (I once read about a variant that had more shuttle bays), combat (phasers, torpedoes, or both), and a few others I'm sure. Especially for a non-military minded fleet, this kind of flexibility is incredibly useful. Shoot, even if they WERE military minded, the ability to have a ship frame that could be so many different things would still be quite useful. Even today, the general frame of the American destroyer isn't all that different between ships, but their guts can be quite different. To me though, the Nebula class has always felt like a more robust Oberth class. A ship that is best suited to, and excels at, science based missions, but unlike the Oberth, if a Klingon bird of prey were to pop up, they'd be able to defend themselves. Or if that same science mission were to go wrong, the chances of the crew and/or the ship coming home alive were MUCH higher. Plus, call me crazy, I think she just looks good. It's tighter, simple, yet has a distinctive feature (the pod) that makes her unique.
3:31 Everything got the bleep beat out of it at Wolf 359! Also, I believe we only ever see one stock Nebula-class in the battle in the opening scene of DS9. The others were "proto-Nebula's" which likely means the class had not been refined at that point.
I always loved the Miranda and Nebula designs. In my opinion they were more compact but not weaker versions of the originals. They didn't have as many Phaser arrays for example, but thats because they didn't need them. Their smaler profile and more compact designs allowed them to cover the whole 360° Arc with less Arrays and eliminated some weaknesses. And they all had slightly less space on board but that can be compensated. And because of their rollbars/modules they could offer more offensive potential in my opinion
You forgot to mention the USS Hera, commanding officer Captain Silvia LaForge . Great segment , I love the Nebula class ! It is so versatile and so underused .It gets a better run in the books . (7 November 2018 1650 hours)
A long time ago I read that the nebula didn't have a saucer and was meant to retrieve separated saucer sections. I have no references whatsoever for that statement. Just a thing I heard once.
The point made about federation ships typically being poorly armored in the TNG era may actually have some historical significance. It reminds me of the French tank warfare docterine where they didn't believe in heavy armor during the cold war because armor piercing technology had progressed to a point where they felt it was more advantageous (until the Leclerc) to go for lighter weight, high speed, and powerful guns in order to get the first shots off from the best positions. Whereas most other nations such as America, Germany, Sweden, Russia, and later Israel at least designed their tanks to take quite the beating with their frontal armor. Being that Picard was supposed to be french descendant, I wonder how much that may have played an impact on the story.
The Galaxy Class does not have weak armor. They use 9cm high density armor. It's the reason the class can take such a beating before being destroyed. Enterprise D took a heavy beating. She took at least 30 direct hits and as many as 47 if you count the hits heard as two each because the Klingon ship was using the twin disruptors for most of the fight. The loss of Yamato, Odyssey and Enterprise D were all extreme cases, especially the Odyssey. The Class was expected to be away from support for extended periods so having 9cm of high density armor over the standard Duranium/Tritanium. The Galaxy Class was not as weak as you've made them sound over and over again. The USS Melbourne was brand new with a new inexperienced crew. It was so new that the previous USS Melbourne (an Excelsior Class) had not even been fully decommissioned and the Nebula class Melbourne had not been commissioned. I don't think she was even past her trial run and shakedown.These factors contributed to her total loss.
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I understand this class has a motto: "explodes less than other classes"
They had 50% less explodium per ton then any other ship in the fleet
Or 50% fewer red shirts ?
HAHA!!!! Good one! It's one of my favourite classes. I'm partial to the Akira, New Orleans, and Norway classes too. Sovereign-class is a beauty, too. Too many to choose from.
What? Use less explodium?! That's crazy talk! The Ferengi gave us such a good deal.
I would argue the Nebula class was the most important and effective Federation starship in the Dominion war. The Sovereign class was the top of the line but they never saw action. They were probably guarding Earth. The Galaxy was only slightly more powerful but had a much larger hit box and weak armor due to not being designed as a warship. Although classified as science vessel the Nebula proved to be more flexible with the added combat module. Nebula class may have had stronger armor to begin with if the science missions called for studying black holes and exploding stars. There are a lot of dangerous things in space that do not involve warfare. At the same time these science things could be adapted and turned around and used in war. That is what happened with the Nebula class during the Dominion war, they adapted to their new roles far better than the Galaxy class.
"Not that one but this one"
Beautiful
He missed one though, when listing all the ships. I'm unsubbing because of that ;)
Loved that line.
That's the high quality content I come to this channel for...
"at the speed of plot" I love that line
So does J. Michael Straczynski, who actually invented the term.
speed of plot is safer than ludicrous speed
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Proper credit for a clever line would be nice. Straczynski has come up with many such. Somehow I doubt that this UA-camr is as talented.
@@johnkoenig9649 No idea who this Straczynski is though, but I'll take your word on it.
Amongst a great many other things he was the creator, executive producer and chief writer of Babylon 5.
Slight correction: In the episode "The Wounded" Gul Macet was surprised the Federation could read the transponder codes. These codes are usually encrypted so the fact that the Federation had already broken that encryption was what caught him off guard. This is more of an indication of the proficienty of Federation Intelligence, not a comparison of technological advancement. To me anyway.
I always looked at it as an advancement of their tech..but I can see that as well. The way Picard skims past it and doesnt try to discuss it is priceless
@@LoreReloaded I thought was funny as well. "We can read your encrypted information."
"What?"
"Umm. Oh nothing."
@@BruderEngel *Picard waves hand in front of Macet's face* "This is not the exposition you're looking for."
*Macet frowns* "Picard, are you seriously trying to use a Jedi mind trick on me?"
@@Dargonhuman "Miss Crusher,your Captain is acting insane.Please remove him from command"
5:25 The Southerland was undergoing repair, so Data could have been commanding it from the auxiliary control.
That's a good theory; the Galaxy's battle bridge was similarly scaled down from the main bridge so there is some precedent.
It wasn't undergoing repair. It's was still being built.
If the main bridge sustained that much damage, the Officer Commanding(OC) and those on bridge watch, would be dead. A direct hit, The Executive Officer's(XO) battle station is in auxiliary. The XO is first in command after the OC.
*Sutherland.
@@KH4444444444N The name was also broken.
The Kitbashed Galaxy is my favourite ship. It's like someone squashed the Enterprise and gave it a hat.
The writer's originally meant it to be a platform for Galaxy class saucer section to dock & go to warp but thay ended makeing it into its own ship.
@@DanBen07 now I want a double decker nebula
@@djbrouwer7712 Iv seen a galaxy class with 3 warp nacelles and two triangular pods. It's in a mod for the video game
Star Trek legacy. ua-cam.com/video/awH59caDFf8/v-deo.html
The new Nebula class the 25th century without the under the hull.
It makes sense. The Galaxy saucer section is a self contained ship anyway, so take that as a base and add the nacelles back on, and make the upper pod mission swapable. There was lots of extra space in the Galaxy saucer for the things that were normally in the secondary hull. The Nebula should have been substantially cheaper than a Galaxy, but where the Galaxy could do everything at once, the Nebula would do whatever the pod was meant for best, and have less capability in the other areas.
Always felt like it was a 24th century version of the Miranda class. Anyone else?
It's what i always considered it to be. Nothing wrong with the Miranda with it being my 2nd favorite Star Trek ship design after the Constitution refit.
Same here, use the nebula and Miranda alot in the legacy game. I also see the Akira class as a more badass predatory version of them
It is the 24th Century Miranda. Building just one Galaxy-class ship is a resource-hogging project that simply needs a lot of time and materials so it shouldn't be any surprise that Starfleet Command decided to have a variant that's much faster build but use at least 85-90% of the components for a Galaxy-class ship. Unlike the Miranda-class, the Nebula-class are designed to be modular in mind, which means less resources are needed to build a new ship for a specific task and it's just cost effective by using off-the-shelf technology. Each Nebula-class ship has different mission parameters which allows Starfleet to have a lot of options in which ship can be assigned based on who's in command and the specialties needed for that task. The level of flexibility of a Nebula far outweighs necessity of creating more Galaxy-classes. That's until the Dominion War, of course. I can imagine Starfleet building a reasonable amount of more Nebulas than Galaxy-classes due to the reasons stated above. I like to think the cost of 1 Galaxy-class ship is equal to the cost of 2 or 3 Nebula-class ships.
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Yeah and I like the look of the miranda better than constitution class haha guess I'm weird that way.
I like the Nebula- But I don't like how it was treated throughout the shows, the Galaxy class is seen as a tough as nails battleship in the Dominion war, the Nebula is a barely downgraded version, hell it is superior in some ways, it has a far smaller target profile for instance, but it is treated as canon-fodder, or just completely forgotten about, those things are huge they could be a flagship of a fleet for christ's sake! But no, it's treated as a glorified Miranda-Class... Wait- It kinda is a Miranda class...
Yes, it was.
No one ship personifies fodder better than DS9 Mirandas, LOL.
azraelswrd Klingon B’rel class night best it out...
The Nebula isn’t just downgraded from the Galaxy. Internally, it’s an entirely different ship.
I’m not knocking it at all and it certainly has the size to pull off what you claim, but despite its appearance, I wouldn’t compare it to the galaxy class.
Yeager, prove it.
One thing I always found amusing about the Nebula class was the idea that it was weaker than the Galaxy class when from a tactical standpoint it has a far better design with a narrower profile making it harder to hit and generally meaning it takes less hits, less structural weak-points like the Galaxy classes neck meaning the ship is most likely more maneuverable than the Galaxy because it is less likely to tear itself in half during high speed maneuvers, and its vulnerable points such as the engineering section are better protected because of its compact design (the engineering section can only be targeted from below the shit at an angle great enough to avoid the nacelle pylons due to the positioning of the saucer section and nacelle pylons, additionally the Bridge is also somewhat more protected by the dorsal superstructure than the Galaxy classes but since according to alpha canon the Nebula is also capable of saucer separation it stands to reason that there would also be a battle bridge in a safer area of the secondary hull so that is not as important)
All this while being built with the same components as a Galaxy including (most importantly) the same power plant (a 1500+ Cochrane warp core) meaning they both had the same amount of power available to power things like shields and phasors.
How dare you call the Nebula-class "A Poor man's Galaxy-class" ! You sir have crossed the line.
They clearly built the model out of Galaxy class bits to save money, so ergo... yeah it is :D
Didn't like title handle either!
@@OldUKAds Please..they did the same with the New Orleans class and added 3 marker pens to that thing aswell...Which makes it a bit ironic that these pods are supposed to house sensors...i.e. "mark" things :D
What's funny about the era of pacifism with the federation in TNG is that the Federation was only a few years removed from a war with the smaller, technologically outmatched Cardassia that resulted in a seeming stalemate and Cardassia appearing to get the better of the cease fire terms, with the "oh so big and powerful" Federation choosing to give up a bunch of colonized planets to Cardassia to pacify them. In a handful of episodes they seem to indicate that despite their ships being fewer in number and far less formidable, they regularly won or fought to draws in engagements with Federation fleets through use of superior tactics, ambushes, traps, deception, and trickery, with the end result being what several high ranking Federation officers equated as a victory over the Federation, given that the cease fire terms were so much in Cardassia's favor.
Personally, I always wondered if Roddenberry always meant for the Federation-Cardassian war of 10-15 years past to be an allagory to Vietnam.
I think what made the Federation agree to unfavourable terms or so our perception of the peace signed with them makes us think this, is during this time the Romulans reappeared with what appeared to be a big powerful ship that dwarfs starfleets biggest and there was a fear from the Federation that war might break out between them. Also Worf 359 had only recently occurred and there was concerns of another Borg incursion. So with those 2 threats in the forefront being able to move assets off the Cardassian front and have them stand ready for either the Romulans or Borg was worth giving up a few colonies. The Federation had the Cardassians contained and could come back to the conflict once the other 2 threats were neutralised however you then have the Dominion enter the fray. 3 far bigger threats than the Cardassian Union
@@matthewdoyle9579 the federation-cardassian war I was describing happened 10-15 years prior to the first episode of TNG, long before the Romulans ended their isolation and let the rest of the quadrant know of their D'deridex class warbirds, and equally long before the Federation knew anything about the borg other than stories from refugees coming from the far reaches of the beta quadrant.
It's funny you mentioned the Vietnam War with the Cardassians being the Vietnamese when in DS9 they were the allegory for the Nazis.
This looks like what a galaxy class would be if they designed it for war. I mostly like it
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@@teddybonkers3580 Oh boy!
I have to say, I've always had a real soft spot for the Nebula Class.
It's a bit unfair to call it "a poor man's Galaxy Class", after all if you design and build something like the Galaxy Class line with all the newest bells and whistles to take all of the most prestigious roles in the fleet and push the current technology as far as you can with a single ship design, then it makes sense to take a step back after that is finished evaluate what was learned designing that ship, observe what is and isn't useful in practice, and design a more mass producible variation having refined the design down to its most essential elements. One is the thoroughbred of the fleet that can be a symbol and the other is the work horse that gets things done (or at least that's the mind set in such a design process). A similar example of this type of design framework (from an entirely different franchise) would be the GAT-X105 Strike Gundam (a prototype with all the bells and whistles) and the GAT-01A1 Dagger (a mass produced refinement of the prototype).
Overall I like the mind set that went into coming up with the Nebula, you can't have the best and most powerful ships doing everything, there aren't enough of them, and you can't rely on the old and outdated hardware Starfleet seems to have doing most jobs (Miranda class, Oberth class, Excelsior class, or Constilation class etc.) for a lot of more dangerous roles. So you design an efficient modern platform that can be rolled out in greater numbers suitable for a wide range of roles and is simply good enough to do the job without being overly excess to requirements.
^ That right there is one of the best comments made.
@@JanetStarChild Thanks
Yep, the Galaxy Class is the luxury sedan that you trot out for special occasions while the Nebula is the standard compact you drive to work, similar to the relationship between, say, the Honda Acura and the Honda Accord or Camry.
HELLO2019 Mr.Micallef it is Better than Galaxy-class faster & better, attractive to look@!
Nebula class beats the Galaxy class for one simple reason. They have *TWO* bathrooms!
The galaxy class didn't get sinks...that was so yesterday. They through those on the first nebula class ships. But yeah, it was obviously just a cheaper Galaxy class ship, easier to build and used for lesser missions...until they realized it was a floating coffin during the the build up to the Dominion War. But actually when we see the Phoenix, we get an idea why Starfleet was the way they were. Outside of the Klingon and the Romulans, (one of which they had made peace with and the other who was MIA for years) the Federation really didn't have to try very hard to defend itself against enemies. The Enterprise D took down a Cardassian ship's shields in one hit and the Phoenix was whipping the floor with Cardassian cruisers. It shows you why they were pacifistic during the TNG era. They had no matches.
Well if you remember, in the first season their main 'enemy' was the Ferengi, no...really.
"The Lore Reloaded Cinematic Universe."
Pure genius.
How to build a nebula class! Take a galaxy class and remove the neck. Take the secondary hull and push it under the saucer section. Then remove the flat back end of the secondary hull and remove the the warp nacelles. Move the Warp nacelles so that they are parallel to the secondary hull under the saucer section. Finally put a pizza slice on top and have a little piece that holds the three sections in the back. If you don't want a pizza slice version there is an optional version with an oval plate that can be found. The Oval plate version does have the stupid long struts meaning that you will need to beam into the oval part or walk 500 miles.
And possibly add an extra layer between decks 9 and 10 of saucer...
The neck isn't removed its repositioned behind the Saucer to hold up the variable mission module.
Sorry, I seem to remember pictures on Ex Astris that showed the saucer seemed a bit thicker. Not really to do with the neck though.
@@chrissonofpear3657 you have to remember that Starfleet has Allied itself with the time Lords, therefore all their ships are simultaneously bigger and smaller on the inside
Thanks to ST5 for that. Or that unlucky Reman falling down past deck 29 : )
I love the nebula class vessels. I don't know why but I do. But dang Starfleet, quit giving multiple active ships the same name
I am sure the Nebula Prometheus was destroyed during the Klingon War, or Dominion War.
the admirals try to trick the captains into taking ships without proper research into which ship it is lol
Nebula class is more pleasant to look@ & which are ships with the names.
@@Predator42ID Considering that the Prometheus looked to be even more built to fight the Borg than the defiant did..that would make sense...
After all,the Defiant still needed a full crew to work properly...NX Prometheus was faster,probably heavier armed,and could become 3 vessels with more or less the same fighting power that the combined,full vessel had...And could be crewed by less than a dozen crew,or even 2 holograms(i.e. 2 men)
It would make sense to just have 2 Prometheus flying around for secrecy
"Does the supply ship have any weapons?"
"very limited... _Certainly not enough to defeat a Nebula class starship."_
I always thought Nebulas made perfect sense if they're designed to be modular. The pod and warp core and maybe impulse stuff seems to be on the same column through the ship. Starfleet, if you don't assume they're stupid, might well have been, "Well, we don't need to field a lot of warships right now, let's build something we can drop battley stuff into when this situation inevitably doesn't last ...and not have to build a whole other fleet in the meantime."
If they designed it modular, and able to handle the extra power in its systems, that way it really is kind of a minor refit, let the engineers build kickarse pods out of something that was all sorted out and waiting, with the engineers putting together and testing *modules* so they can be there when a ship pulls in for new mission profile: you don't even have to transfer crews, just connect, doubtless do a bit of fettling, baddabing.
I really like the look of the ship, more than Galaxy class
I understand why- I love sleek compact designs, like the Defiant and the Whitestar from B5, and the Nebula is a great looking ship... Yeah it's a split in half Galaxy-- But still.
A very spiffy& more of a looker to lay your eyes on & faster than the Galaxy class.
Nebula is a brilliant look and design. We can head cannon the variable strengths based on what upgrade section is equipped. Love the ship.
I have to say that is one hell of a ship
The Nebula has a special place in that its the first proper 24th century starship design we see beyond the Galaxy-class. Up until that point, Starfleet seemed to be mostly comprised of ships seen in the TOS movies (for obvious budgetary reasons). It was nice to see a ship with Galaxy-class design style to it, instead of just another Excelsior-class.
The Ambassador-class served as the first instance of a new Starfleet design and I don't think was ever seen again after Yesterday's Enterprise. I always found it strange that Miranda and Oberth-class ships were still flying around, but the Ambassador-class seemed to be completely retired despite being a far newer design.
At least it wasn't the Scimitar.
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Better looking than Scimitar.
Huh I saw this and also thought "Didn't he do this one already?"
I am sure he did. I do recall it
Same here, thought it was a reupload.
I think he did a rant-like video awhile back about the Nebula, and that might be the reason for the confusion.
He did, but that one was more of a 50 minute rant lol
"A Poor Man's Galaxy Class" made me chuckle mate
I maintain that the Nebula and Centaur classes were in competition for the same general role, and it was the Nebula that won out.
The Nebula is like 10 times the mass of the centaur and the centaur is decades older.
Generally in naval design a prototype vessel is launched and that countries navy tries to work out the bugs in it before mass producing it. The Galaxy prototype was probably seen as too time consuming to build at least to keep up with Starfleet's plan to gradually phase out the Excelsior and Ambassador classes , the Nebula class was probably done to keep Starfleet from experiencing a drastic force reduction while still maintaining the basic design principles of the Galaxy class. I would not go so far to say Starfleet was being overly pacifistic in "The Wounded" as strategically practical- Starfleet had just had their butts kicked by the Borg at Wolf 359 and didn't want Maxwell starting a war with the Cardassians while Starfleet was recovering from their losses and trying to develop the Defiant class, which ultimately lead to the setup of the DMZ and the rise of the Maquis.
Honestly? Nebula is my favorite class second only to the Sovereign - The compact, modular design makes a ton of sense; especially if the cost of mass producing major fleet ships is prohibitive. Being able to go from a sensor pallet to a hospital pallet then to a combat pallet and still have the full functionality of the rest of the ship makes total sense; and I would wager that the ship's saucer is still able to separate. Its also one of my pet peeves from a technical nitpicky standpoint - they seem to have a ton of trouble figuring out what 'impulse engines' are and where the hell they belong.
If the federation was owned by Nissan. The Nebula class would be the Sentra and Galaxy class would be a maxima
Is the Sovereign a Murano?
More like Sentra vs Altima.
Sovereign is the 370x!
Try Nissan R35 Egoist vs. Infinity G35S.
I always loved the design for the Nebula much more than the Galaxy sorry.. not sorry 😎
Kainoa Taufaasau , it is just a rearranged Galaxy Class, and it is squatty looking.
I think the biggest appeal is that it's very Miranda-ish. Like one that fits with the new design style. In a way similar to how the Miranda fit with the Constitution refit. And the Miranda class is very loved.
I think it's a better design overall. Same bits (arguably more with the pod) but in a more compact design. But it does show its kitbash origins with the main shuttlebay facing the pod support pylon - probably should have split the shuttlebay in two with two separate doors spaced a bit further apart, even if they share a single hangar. Or they could have just moved it outright up to the pod.
HELLO2019 KT... I concur it is more attractive to look@!
the difference between a Miranda and a Nebula is though, that Miranda is a destroyer class, and Nebula is a cruiser.
When I first saw this ship, I thought “Now that’s practical”. After I saw the specs in Bridge Commander, I thought this was definitely THE ship of the federation. Especially since it has a dorsal hard point that could mount weapon systems or science modules. It even looks cooler, especially with a massive cannon on top. And it’s half the price of a galaxy.
One thing that I find people miss is the possibility that one of the roles of the Nebula was to recover the saucer sections of downed or lost Galaxy class ships - hence why one showed in orbit after the D saucer was ditched.
@marvelous LIE certainly once it was determined that the saucer was unrecoverable
Looks like the secondary hull is between the nacelles, does that men everyone there gets microwaved when it goes to warp?
In therory it' s not warp capable, LOL. I think they keep the contact with some sort of junctions in the hull...
Well, at least there's some room, unlike the Defiant :p
@@Parabueto The vermin on board (tribbles) are complaining there's no room for them? XD XD XD
Then that would mean the Defiant class wasn't warp capable as the nacelles were on either side of the ship and had less space between them due to the smaller beam of that class.
Either that, or those ships used some sort of non-standard warp configuration, had special shields or thicker armor between the nacelles and the crew and/or employed a different type of warp nacelle technology to make that kind of configuration safe.
5 years gone by already, wow, always look forward to new Trek lore videos from you :)
I always thought the Galaxy was meant to go out for 5-10years into deep space, hence needing to be comfortable as all heck and have tons of Storage space and a large deuterium tank and more than.a few extra antimatter storage pods.
Nebula on.the other hand seemed to be more of a border patrol, in.federation space oriented ship. Ie nebula is your daily runner, galaxy is your long distance explorer.
You aren't wrong. The Galaxy was meant to go on deep space missions, but they ended up being so big and so expensive that losing one was too big a blow to risk sending them out there. So starfleet kept them close to home, ferrying diplomats back and forth.
@@Doctors_TARDIS Which is a gigantic waste of resources since a gussied up Miranda could do that!
"Captain we have received a distress call."
" Understood. Helm engage Plot drive full power."
Like the video states, we don't see it very much on screen, or at least not as much as some other classes. Had we, i would have guessed this to be SF's new workhorse. Flexible, modifiable, modern, yet more compact and cheaper then the Galaxy class. She could be all you needed her to be, based on the mission profile. You want a border patrol or intelligence cruiser, shove that AWACS like dish on top (assuming it's an "electronic" warfare package). Want a transport and/or evacuation ship, take that off, shove in some extra warp nacelles for added speed. Want a torpedo/bomber platform, yet again, take off the extra nacelles and strap on that weapons module. What's not to like? Of course, we don't see it enough (especially in action) to know if all these seemingly logical "assumptions" are factual.
Well the Galaxy could also be modified this way by having different saucer section that could be swapped depending on the mission profile.
I want more gelato machines😋
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 , still nowhere near as flexible and affordable as passing around modules, while the basic ship remains the same. Not to mention, you'd be stuck with essentially with a whole ship in the case of changing entire saucer sections.
Doesn't the workhorse title go to the Excelsior class, though? ;)
@@sigmacademy Considering the amount of appearances, i'd have to say yes!
I loved the Nebula class for its amazing versatility. The swappable mission pod makes it ideal for everything from long range surveillance, border patrol, and combat, to medical and civilian evacuation.
My personal head-canon is that the Nebula was a cheaper, more easily built Galaxy variant that had a role that was never discussed directly in canon - it was a saucer recovery vessel for when a Galaxy had separated and lost it's primary hull (hence its appearance in Generations).
I like to think that the Galaxy class were more expensive, but longer ranged than the Nebulas. So, Nebulas range over smaller areas, and Galaxys find more -monsters of the week- _exciting discoveries!_
@@absalomdraconis It's pretty clear that the two were split between a generalist, deep-space, long-term role and a more mission specific, local, short-range jobs. Hence the huge reserves of energy and the more comfortable surroundings of the Galaxy as opposed to the more bare-bones Nebula with it's adaptable mission pod for whatever the mission required
@@absalomdraconis Makes sense, too, if say, the Galaxy's laid out to be optimized to go a really long time without major refits, maybe very far from a spacedock, ...the Nebulas being designed for refits to change mission to ....not be major. Have your modules mostly-built, if war comes, maybe put your latest and best weapons and power systems there, then when Nebula ship arrives, give crews a week of rotating leave and slot that stuff right in. :)
galaxy for the Prestige, nebula for effectiveness
‘“Let’s fuck up a Jem’Hadar’s day” module’
Comedy gold
I love the look of the Nebula class; it's the ship I would want.
I've always viewed the Nebula class as a... Ehm...nebula research vessel (I'm a regular Sherlock 😂). Think of it as a Galaxy class (fancy apartment complex in space) but instead of its mission being exploration in terms of seeking out new life and civilizations, its primary mission was to discover new stuff in various nebula fogs, that's why it has that big lump of sesor arrays on its ass... In wartime, in my opinion, both Galaxy and Nebula classes should have been retrofited as carrier/bombers since they can never be manuverable enough to be battleships (they already have those 360 saucer phasers for defensive purpouses) . One just needs to scoop out most of those apartments, add more hanger bays instead of them and viola - carrier has arrived 😂
This is a random thought, but when you said the weapons range was 300,000 kilometers, it hit me that, in a fleet that operates on an interstellar scale, they should probably start measuring things in megameters and gigameters if they want to stick with SI.
Can't enough of this starship!
Starfleet always makes me mad at some point. Their pacifism and no war ships are two of them. Just because you are a peaceful organization, you should always have a fleet of warships stored away somewhere and trained soldiers like the MACO's ready whenever.
Amen ,Brother Stephen ! (7 November 2018 1640 hours)
You do realise that resources are limited right? Their model is also surprisingly often used too.
Cold War NATO strategy relied on a small border force that would get f*cked if the Russians invaded, and their only point was to buy time. FOFA would then wipe out what came after the spearhead, further slowing down the spearhead first echelon troops, all the while NATO mobilised and trained a vast army of conscripted soldiers. Of this the revervists would be 'done' the quickest in just a few weeks, while in a few months there'd be a massive fighting force with vast technological superiority facing the Russians.
NATO literally planned to simply take the beatings and lose territory while it scrambled to respond to a Russian invasion.
The alternative would've been an arms race that would've derailed the economy of most NATO countries. People weren't willing to pay that price. Sure enough the Warsaw Pact, meaning Russia and its slave-states, collapsed from the strain on their inefficient economic system, caused by wanting to maintain a massive army of agression that outnumbered NATO.
So just like Starfleet, NATO had a 'just good enough' military presence and their plan consisted out of having that presence get beat down to buy time to build something better.
@ the problem with that is the fact that nato nations did not do that with their navies. you can get away with that with ground forces and to a lesser degree air forces but not with a navy. ships and crew take more time to train and build.
That's why DS9 is my favorite series
@ On the contrary. They have replicators at this point. While those do require resources, those resources could literally be anything. Human waste, scrap metal, otherwise unremarkable asteroids, etc...
One of the nebula classes strengths is it's ability to be refit and take on different roles within a few hours although its Primary role is a science vessel. Even a carrier as you pointed out.
How can it be more poor mans then the Galaxy Class? The Galaxy is already a apartment complex with engines, you can only go up from there.
Well, the Galaxy class is more like luxury condos while the Nebula is more like a Winnebago in that analogy.
at 4:15 I can't help but laugh at your description. Every ship should have that in Trek war time!
this is one of my favorite TNG era ships. If I had to pick on to captain it would likely be this one.
I do love the variety of ships in Star Trek. Hilariously I frequently got confused and thought the Oberth class was this ship as a picture you used a lot was a teeny tiny Oberth against a massive Nebula class. Star Fleet loves its saucers.
"Lets f*** up a Jem'Hadar's day."
It would've been interesting if the saucer separation idea had been more flushed out on the show. It would've made a lot of sense to see to Galaxy's and Neb's being rushed out of the ship yards and into the Dominion war without any expensive / bulky saucers for example.
Actually It would've been pretty neat if "starfleet" had designed a range of different saucer sizes, shapes, designs that could easily be swapped out at star bases for different roles and easy refits. It would've looked more practical than slapping a 3rd nacelle on the back of the enterprise.... or at least made shuttle pilots less aggravated.
They could've swapped out the saucer section every season to explain different sets and give her a different look.. like she was evolving or growing.
whatever..
From what I gather.. and, mind, I detest what the Federation had become at this point..
The Galaxy Class was intended to be the "last word" on deep space exploration, new species first contact, extremely high level scientific mission undertaking, interplanetary negotiation, and integration of career officers and their families, that said missions not interfere with the experience of raising said families.
And it had "provisions for self defense."
Those "provisions" being a gun and torpedo count about equal in number to a Constitution-class, but with a more flexible layout. Did we ever see a Galaxy fire its rear arc phaser strips? It HAD them, though.
The Nebula-class, from everything I've read - which often contradicts itself - really should be considered the Miranda to the Galaxy. Or, better yet, the mid-grade Miranda derivative between Ambassador and Galaxy, utilizing proven components from both. The problem, and I think the in-universe reason it's seen so few times - would be cost and, while it had modular mission pods like the Mirandas, it wasn't as capable of accepting spaceframe upgrades nearly as cheaply as the Mirandas were, compared to their parent Constitutions. Again, this is probably the result of the Nebulas being a middle step between mature Ambassador technologies, and emerging Galaxy ones.
Keep in mind, the 1701 was already 20+ years old when Kirk got ahold of her. By that time, the Connies were mature technology, and upgrades incremental while Starfleet studied the next big generational leap (TransWarp, and the Excelsior class). The 2270's upgrade was more or less "because they had to" - as new class designs weren't in the pipe yet, and the, by then, 35+ year old Connies were still roughly equal to Starfleet's competitors - the "refit Constitutions" being a solid step forward with well developed technology explored, apparently, first on the Mirandas. It, thus, would be more fair to compare the first-run Connies to the Ambassadors, the Nebulas to the Mirandas, the refit Connies to the Galaxies, and the Excelsiors to the Sovereigns. Generationally speaking.
This being said, the Mirandas were super successful because they were small and cheap. They were, nominally, Light Cruisers, that, while armed as well as a Heavy Cruiser, didn't have the power output or speed to really last in a standing engagement like a Heavy did. Khan achieved an advantage over Kirk by hitting the Enterprise while its shields were down, and thus preventing him from using them, which would have made the fight between the two ships far different - despite both having inexperienced crews, the Connie would win that match on paper, as it had superior power output capability, to keep shields, weapons, and life support on line longer.
The Nebulas represented everything wrong with Starfleet at the time. It was a bloated project rife with Mission Creep, that was a monster sized ship compared to the small, nimble Miranda it was (apparently intended) to replace. While it reused the "mission pod" rollbar concept that the Mirandas had, its mission pods seemed to be much harder to mount. Or, at least, required more precise "ship surgery" than the apparently bolt-on, bolt-off Miranda rollbar. The Mirandas themselves were adapted with easy modification to a number of different roles, such as the Bozeman being, basically, a border patrol vessel with extra phaser cannons to fight off pirates and raiders with. The Nebulas? I'm willing to wager the cost of such an adaptation or conversion would be expensive enough to forego it. In fact, I wonder if the Mission Pods ended up causing significant delays and Starfleet neglected to construct the logistical footprint necessary to replace them at just any old Starbase.
SO! In short, the Nebulas are bloated, expensive, overloaded attempts to build a proper "adapted Light Cruiser" that ended up being so expensive, true Light Cruisers were probably made instead - Niagra or Challenger, would be my bet, as they share design elements.
I dispute describing the Federation as "pacifistic" not least because it continued to build huge vessels armed to the teeth! But I agree it became increasingly "complacent" and it took years to knock that complacency away. However, the change began really with contact with the Borg. That heralded a great shift towards finding a way to upgrade weapons, design more battle-specific warships, and (evidently) ways to upgrade old ships in mothballs to make them battle-worthy. Until that was ready, they (wisely) stalled for time.
One consequence of this was how much more powerful both Galaxy and Nebula classes became in the first few months (maybe weeks) of the Dominion War. It even showed up in the Battle for Sector 001 in FIRST CONTACT in which a smaller fleet than the one at Wolfe 359 seriously damaged then destroyed a Borg Cube.
I wouldn't call them pacifistic either, but neither were they really militaristic either. They prefered negotiations to fighting, but were willing to fight when it came down to it. But as a strait up military, they failed in a lot of areas drastically. Did an excellent job with non military persuits, exploration, scientific discovery, diplomacy, etc, and did a decent job at some general police work. The Borg did kind of give them a bit of a wakeup call and then came the Dominion war.
@@Krahazik In general I agree. However, "militaristic" tends to imply a desire for military values and military action. Hence we would speak of Germany for much of the 19th and first half of the 20th centuries being militaristic. Ditto Japan. Yet while the UK post WWI was not militaristic, they still funded a magnificent navy while making the terrible tactical error of underestimating the value of efficient attack airplanes. Had they not done so, their forces would have fared far better in the first few years of WWII. The French likewise were not militaristic but neither were they pacifistic, simply making a series of terrible tactical errors, mostly about the proper use of tanks. Both were also complacent. But I am arguing nuance here, albeit nuance seems to me potentially important.
@@DavidMacDowellBlue I mention it a speople keep tending to analyze Starfleet with the same standards that you would apply to say the US navy or Army and in some cases making such comparisons and then going on about how terible starfleet was at such a role. Like analying the New York Police force and comparing it to the US Army or other Army. In such a case, neither is going to compare favorably.
@@Krahazik Oh that is an excellent comparison!
@@Krahazik But Starfleet is the Federation's navy. The Federation goes to war, and Starfleet is, as far as we can see from the shows and movies, the first last and only armed spaceborne organisation. Hell, Starfleet even seems to provide ground troops in the 24th century, from what little planetside conflict we've actually seen. Nor the Battle to the Strong and Siege of AR-558 are the two most prominent examples.
I love the narration on this 😂
Nebula is my favorite class.
I don't know if I'd call the Nebula a "poor man's Galaxy class" given it had other fleet roles than the Galaxy, and given the size of the fleet they couldn't make the Galaxy the "standard" starship the way the Constitution was portrayed in TOS
you keep saying the Enterprise has no armor. During the battle in Generations where it's shields were rendered useless it took repeated hits from a Klingon bird of prey without being destroyed where as the Klingon bird of prey with shields down took a single photon torpedo, and exploded. I'd say the Enterprise is a pretty tough ship.
Your forgeting the armor buff given my main character's.
@@danieltester5553 Nah, remember the Odyssey also took several direct hits from Dominion attack ships while their shields were rendered useless by the Dominion antipolaron beams. The Galaxy was a tough ship.
I agree with you all. For it's time it had good armor. It was built before the Defiant or Soverign that had ablative armor so that must be remembered when comparing to either of those ships.
Keep in mind, though, that the B'Rel bird of prey that the Duras sisters were using was something like 20 years obsolete and ablative armor had come a long way since then; a top-of-the-line B'Rel with more modern disruptor cannons could have shredded the Enterprise's armor a lot more effectively.
The reason a single torpedo took out the Bird of Prey was because of a precision strike to its warp core.
"Because I have to make sure to get my captain obvious award" is possibly the best thing I've ever heard in a youtube video.
I aim to please
“Not this one but that one.” LOVE IT FTW Lore Master!!!!!!
gotta have them gelato machines
Best commentary ever! Big problem was size. It's supposed to be a frigate, Okyda commissioned it but the builder used molds for the 4' Enterprise. So it's size varies if it's next to the 4' or Big E.
HAHAHHA! i can't get over the fact that you said "including the kitchen sink" XD
Coulda sworn you broke the nebula down before too
Ya.. odd
@@Zaron_Gaming Mandela effect
@@BirdOPrey5 must be man. Ugh. Yo bird can you see if you have any luck finding the last 4 hours of the stream? I can't find it though UA-cam played it for a few minutes..
@@Zaron_Gaming What stream?
@@BirdOPrey5….. the one for the hospital from a few days ago.. the charity stream. The last 4 hours won't show for me. Seems to have gone poof
I've looked at it differently recently as well. I have come to the conclusion that the saucer and nacelles on the Nebulas might actually smaller than their Galaxy class counterparts. The shapes are the same, but when the Nebula is side-by-side with an Ambassador class in the DS9 pilot, they are roughly the same size... leading me to believe that the Nebula's saucer isn't just some stock Galaxy class saucer that got the bad luck of being turned into a Nebula instead of a Galaxy.
Darin Wagner Yep, the relative sizes of the windows indicate that, too.
They are the same size but the secondary hull is smaller.
@@kyle857 Yeah, I don't buy that given the evidence. Plus, it would make no sense to build a ship like that.
Crack up moment: "There would also be an LCD TV that they pretended was viewscreen, installed directly in front of the captain's chair"
Interesting ship. Seems to be the next generation Miranda class and seems to be the next generation sister ship to the Galaxy as the Maranda was to the Enterprise Class (or is that refitted Constitution class?). As such it seems to be a much more affordable work horse vessel to supplement the more prostegeous Galaxy class.
So question: why did the Federation have so many classes of starship instead of mass producing and refining a few proven designs like the Dominion?
Cause it's more lore for fans to ooh and aaah over.
Because SCIENCE and stuff.
Because no real world navy just mass produces 2 or 3 designs of ships. Hell, even within the same class no 2 ships are identical in a real world navy. I know this is sci fi, but Starfleet is largely based on the US and UK navies.
Largely due to how each society is structured would be my guess. The Dominion is highly homogenized and militarized society, focused on a singular, collective goal to bring order to the Galaxy. As such their designs are geared toward combat effectiveness and being as identical to one another as possible to facilitate faster construction and repairs while also allowing the crews and commanders the ability to be familiar with any ship they transfer to and cut down on acclimation time when going to a different ship.
The Federation and Starfleet are a far more artistic and meritocracy driven society in that the best rise to the top and help shape and drive the direction of society. That, plus the amalgamated nature of uniting over a hundred different species with many more aesthetic, engineering, design and functionality ideas and plans means there is a high level of competition to be the one with the best idea and to implement their idea first so their intellectual competition can't. So we see a much wider range of designs and layouts of ships that reflect the ideologies of whoever was in charge at that time. On top of that, some designs are made specifically to test one particular idea or new technology and prove it's efficacy before the investment is made to retrofit active duty ships with whatever that particular ship was testing.
Also consider, the Dominion has been ruling their part of the Gamma Quadrant for far, far longer than the Federation, Starfleet or most of the member worlds have even had warp drive, so they've had a lot more lead time to experiment and refine their ship designs to the point that, barring any revolutionary new technological achievements, they're essentially perfect for the Dominion's needs whereas Starfleet is still finding out what does and doesn't work in terms of ship design.
I've long absolutely loved the Nebula ships. Aesthetically, they just look great and the design works very well as either a long-distance exploration vessel or a straight-up warship.
I've been wanting to hear about this one for years. Wish their was more uses of the oberth in Canon other then the occasional backstory.
This was my first Cruiser in STO. I'll never forget it. USS A.L.Tennyson. This ship will always have a special place in my heart.
I prefer the Nebula class starship over the Galaxy anytime. The Nebula class is a more practical combat vessel than the Galaxy to me. The Galaxy just has too many vulnerable blind spots that can be exploited by a smaller vessel.
The Nebula class vessel is like a turtle; It tucks in all its vulnerable parts.
I do love the Galaxy class, but I would agree the nebula is a better design for a combat vessel, especially if you were to actuallygive the thing armor plating so that it can still take a little bit of a pounding without shields.
Galaxy class has a larger surface area, allowing for more weapons to be implemented if needed. Larger cargo space. Detachable saucer section. 2 more holodecks (always need more holodecks) and space to accommodate boarding troops or ground teams.
Galaxy Class is like a big dreadnought meant to lay down fire from range. Nebula is intended to mix it up more with maneuver, and as a screen for Galaxies and Sovereigns.
The Nebula Class is the Galaxy with the primary components (saucer, engineering, and nacelles) tetrised into a more compact overall profile.
There is absolutely no reason to believe it is even the smallest amount of "less capable" than the Galaxy. The Cardassians clearly found it to be formidable, and Picard's actions made it appear the class had capabilities that were not well known.
It is one of the classes of ship that would have survived the Delta trip where many would not have.
In my estimation, it is the best class in all of Trek.
I was on the train when watching this video and when you said "from scientific exploits to let's fuck up a Jem Hadar's day" I laughed outloud and scared the poor school girls next to me. Your unexpected comments like those are always fantastic.
Yoyodyne Division 🤣🤣🤣🤣. That kills me every time. I keep picturing John Worfin & his goons building Starfleet ships in some leaky warehouse.
Great video thanks for that awesome breakdown, I always loved learning this technical stuff of ships but they really go into this kind of stuff I think the ship they probably talked about the most was the defiant which is my personal favorite......
Would love the Nebula class of the 24th.century remove the below hull & hopefully the new Nebula class could go to warp-10 with the removal
of the under-hull.
In my own head canon, all Starfleet ships have hulls made out of Tritanum layered with duranium. Also, we must assume that they also incorporate the hull hardening technology from Enterprise from before Star Fleet had shield technology.
12,000 °Celsius was about the maximum tolerance of the Enterprise-D's hull temperature within a star's corona. Even in TOS, when the Enterprise was falling through the Earth's atmosphere when it went back in time, the hull heated up to some crazy high hull temp. Ship hulls are tough cookies. They have to be to take the stress and tolerance of warp space travel.
4:50 how do you get in the shuttle bay with that metal banana in the way?
It's called--- Plot... My friend...
What makes you think it even has a shuttlebay, or if it does, that it's in the same location?
It's possible the shuttle bay is inside the saucer section, and has some sort of retractable floor to deploy shuttles. Kind of like the Defiant-class.
@@Dargonhuman I'm going by the assumption they took a Galaxy saucer and attached it to a different secondary hull, and based on pictures the shuttle bay opening is still there but that big pylon means shuttles would have to enter/exit from the left or right or crash.
You must NEVER be willing to merely defeat your enemies. When pressed, you must crush them utterly and comlletely.
Nebula and Miranda always reminded me of a space going sports car. Low slung, fast, and had a wing any Honda boi would nut over.
5:24 I like to think (and I'm certainly not the first person who's proposed it) that this was not the bridge of the Sutherland. Maybe it was another room entirely (Aux control or Battle Bridge [assuming the Nebula-class can separate which I have seen suggested somewhere]), or some kind of placeholder plugin bridge...
So you take a Galaxy class ship, separate the saucer. Remove the neck and weld the secondary hull upside down onto the saucer and give it a hat welded to the top of the saucer and boom... you just made a Nebula Class
Well it's clearly built from Galaxy class bits, probably a way for them to make a model on the cheap. So you're not wrong.
In beta canon, Gul Macet was Gul Dukat's cousin. #pattydukeanyone
I understood that reference
Makes sense. Head canon accepted.
Gul Macet likes to Rock & Roll , a Hot Dog makes him lose control...
They should have kept them the same person
Yup we are old
I always felt that the Nebula and Miranda class ships were designed more for combat that the Galaxy/Constitution classes. It's more compact, less exposed weak points, appear to be fitted with more armaments (or easily upgradable), etc.
I seem to remember reading or hearing that Starfleet balked at just how material intensive the Galaxy proved to be and ordered several ships slated to become Galaxies to be scaled down. And thus the Nebula was born.
But it's entirely possible that that information came from a video game, often the gamma canon.
Galaxy > Nebula
Constitution > Miranda
Sovereign > ???
Now that would be a cool looking ship, and considering how tough and combat orientated the Sovereign is, damn formidable.
Someone with the animation skills should do a probable mockup. Blended primary and secondary hull with nacelles close underneath, the only issue is what would the module/rollbar look like ?
And was there ever a saucer variant of the Excelsior ?
Maybe the Luna class is the twin ship of the Sovereign. memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Luna_class
Excelsior > Curry
There sort of was with the Centaur, but the scale is a little wonky; since IRL it was kitbashed with parts from Excelsior and Reliant models at different scales, it either has an Excelsior saucer with an oversized Miranda torpedo pod, or a regular sized torpedo pod with a shrunk-down Excelsior-style saucer.
Someone did a model of one. Try googling "new endeavour class starship". It takes attributes from the Sovereign, Nebula, and Miranda classes.
www.starshipmodeler.us/gallery14/js_101409_rel.htm
Well the frame is pretty large from the start. If it was designed with adaptability in mind it means that a "cargo variant" or "scientific variant" will be radically different compared with a "heavy cruiser" variant in accommodations for the crew, lab space, available power or warp drive. The Miranda was a prime example of this and even the excelsior in all it's refits varies a lot in "power". So i can see the "Nebula class" jumping from punch bag to boxer in the event of a war. Cram all that available space with weapons power and shields, reduce crew space from apartments to bunk setups and you would get a pretty nasty warship.
I actually like the core idea of the Nebula. Much like the Miranda, but more so, you had a ship that could be built anyway you needed to, without building/designing an entirely new frame. True, she'd never match the firepower of an Akira, Defiant, or Sovereign, but you still had the ability to make a better combat ship, without needing to design one. Similarly, with only relatively minor changes, the same frame could be dedicated to science, diplomacy, medical, cargo, strike-craft (I once read about a variant that had more shuttle bays), combat (phasers, torpedoes, or both), and a few others I'm sure.
Especially for a non-military minded fleet, this kind of flexibility is incredibly useful. Shoot, even if they WERE military minded, the ability to have a ship frame that could be so many different things would still be quite useful. Even today, the general frame of the American destroyer isn't all that different between ships, but their guts can be quite different.
To me though, the Nebula class has always felt like a more robust Oberth class. A ship that is best suited to, and excels at, science based missions, but unlike the Oberth, if a Klingon bird of prey were to pop up, they'd be able to defend themselves. Or if that same science mission were to go wrong, the chances of the crew and/or the ship coming home alive were MUCH higher.
Plus, call me crazy, I think she just looks good. It's tighter, simple, yet has a distinctive feature (the pod) that makes her unique.
3:31 Everything got the bleep beat out of it at Wolf 359! Also, I believe we only ever see one stock Nebula-class in the battle in the opening scene of DS9. The others were "proto-Nebula's" which likely means the class had not been refined at that point.
"The U.S.S. Prometheus, not this one but that one."
I always loved the Miranda and Nebula designs. In my opinion they were more compact but not weaker versions of the originals. They didn't have as many Phaser arrays for example, but thats because they didn't need them. Their smaler profile and more compact designs allowed them to cover the whole 360° Arc with less Arrays and eliminated some weaknesses. And they all had slightly less space on board but that can be compensated. And because of their rollbars/modules they could offer more offensive potential in my opinion
You forgot to mention the USS Hera, commanding officer Captain Silvia LaForge . Great segment , I love the Nebula class ! It is so versatile and so underused .It gets a better run in the books . (7 November 2018 1650 hours)
I love those parts when you say why something hapend and then you beep it and get lore about it :D
PS I love the music
Really Great video i enjoyed it very much. The Nebula class is one of my favourite Starships great design
A long time ago I read that the nebula didn't have a saucer and was meant to retrieve separated saucer sections. I have no references whatsoever for that statement. Just a thing I heard once.
Presenting: the Nebula Class! Perfect for crew with no necks.
"Finally! A starship for me!"
The point made about federation ships typically being poorly armored in the TNG era may actually have some historical significance. It reminds me of the French tank warfare docterine where they didn't believe in heavy armor during the cold war because armor piercing technology had progressed to a point where they felt it was more advantageous (until the Leclerc) to go for lighter weight, high speed, and powerful guns in order to get the first shots off from the best positions. Whereas most other nations such as America, Germany, Sweden, Russia, and later Israel at least designed their tanks to take quite the beating with their frontal armor. Being that Picard was supposed to be french descendant, I wonder how much that may have played an impact on the story.
The Galaxy Class does not have weak armor. They use 9cm high density armor. It's the reason the class can take such a beating before being destroyed. Enterprise D took a heavy beating. She took at least 30 direct hits and as many as 47 if you count the hits heard as two each because the Klingon ship was using the twin disruptors for most of the fight. The loss of Yamato, Odyssey and Enterprise D were all extreme cases, especially the Odyssey. The Class was expected to be away from support for extended periods so having 9cm of high density armor over the standard Duranium/Tritanium.
The Galaxy Class was not as weak as you've made them sound over and over again. The USS Melbourne was brand new with a new inexperienced crew. It was so new that the previous USS Melbourne (an Excelsior Class) had not even been fully decommissioned and the Nebula class Melbourne had not been commissioned. I don't think she was even past her trial run and shakedown.These factors contributed to her total loss.