One of my favorite ships. It has a real workhorse of the fleet lok to it while still looking powerful enough to handle its own (although it didn't really in the war. Cardassians tore the Honshu up bad). I personally like the Phoenix variant best. The dual pylons for the AWACS pod eliminates the shuttle bay obstruction issue that the later Sutherland variant created. Plus, the Phoenix just looked more sciencier. The smooth pod was a nice touch. It really reminded me of when I worked with those planes.
I enjoy the Nebula. While it has familiar Galaxy components, It does not feel kitbashy to me, but rather a contemporary ship using standard designs for saucer and nacelles. I imagine it as a kind of companion ship for fleet ops which was intended to be deployed alongside the Galaxy. The pod seems to be a customizable unit that can be provided in multiple configurations, allowing the vessel to be tailored for any mission type. This, to me, always made it superior to the Galaxy which has great versatility but no specialization for any particular role.
CubanWriter isnt that the entire concept of a kitbash? but then if you look at the Lockheed Military Aircraft, C-130, C-1 etc they have a distinct art style
Hello there. On a pure kitbash, I find nothing original. In this case, in addition to 'standard modular elements' from other ships, we find wholly original segments of the hull structure, and we find components that exist nowhere else. Specifically, the back end of this vessel and the large mission pod apparatus are entirely original to the Nebula. This prevents it from feeling too kitbashy because some of the ship is found nowhere else.
Galaxy class is POWER PROJECTION, a big imposing multi-role, stand alone- long range vessel, compare the neb, maranda or anything similar with comparable romulan or klingon would not be impressive, galaxy would make other ships think twice due to sheer size and weight-class
This is my absolute favorite Starship. I'm kind of disappointed in the presentation of this fine ship. Very much "hum drum" out of Capt Foley and the total lack of research done on this vessel for this segment reflects in the final product. Let's look at few of the problems and provide the corrected information, shall we? This is NOT a kitbashed ship, it was designed by a work group with Mike Okuda. It has changed repeatedly throughout TNG, DS9, and Voyager series. The final design presented it with the saucer section and nacelles as the exact same design as the Galaxy class. It was designed this way on purpose to save money (both for the TV production crews and for Starfleet). The triangular pod is a Heavy Weapons pod with 8 burst type torpedo tubes all facing forward (4 per forward edge) PLUS 6 additional type 10 phaser arrays. That gives this class 11 torpedo bays (there are 3 on the base ship of the primary and secondary hull) and 14 type 10 phaser arrays. The pod carries an additional 300 torpedeo casings and 400 warheads. This is one of the most heavily armed Starfleet vessels ever developed. If we compare the fire power of the Galaxy class to a Nebula class with heavy weapons pod it is obvious that the Nebula has considerably more firepower. Defensive shielding over the entire ship is 20% more effective than the Galaxy class due to the missing neck Capt Foley loved so much decreasing the overall exterior surface area. The shields are doubled over the weapons pod (primary and secondary shielding to clarify) due to the fact that it is such an obvious target. I could go on for quite a bit longer but I think this proves my point. Guys y'all usually do such excellent work, it was rather lack luster on this class of ship.
+Kurt Moore Hello, this was a Mission Briefing episode. Mission briefings are as we said in the introduction a discussion show on a ship BEFORE we do the full episode on it so that we can get out thoughts out their and any fan's that have information can chip in in the comments below. This is not meant to be a full Saturday release and is not presented as such so we thank you very much for your information and we hope you look forward to the full episode on her later down the line!
Yes it's just a Mission Briefing definitely NOT the full episode on this ship. Just us 2 chatting about the ship and figuring things out. I was not dis-interested just did a lot of filming that day. I thought this was a pretty good mission briefing actually. Sorry you were disappointed. I suggest you watch the full episodes released on Saturday instead if these Mission Briefings aren't your cup of tea.
+Kurt Moore I love it when peeps quote "stuff" (e.g. "The triangular pod is a Heavy Weapons pod with 8 burst type torpedo tubes..." etc...) as FACT when it's anything but. There's no canon mention anywhere (to my knowledge) of what the firepower of the Nebula is (and no i don't care what various websites may claim). All the info you gave about the design of the ship model is great but the weaponery is just someone's speculation :)
+Kurt Moore Don't get me wrong. It is probably in my top 3 favorite Trek ships, but not because of its firepower. It's certainly not a dedicated warship. Let's not forget that it was designed around the time of TNG, when Starfleet didn't believe in warships. My interpretation the non-canon armament info is that COULD be outfitted as such, but only under extreme circumstances.
The physical model is indeed original & not a kitbash. Alas the CGI model used in DS9 later seasons was the Galaxy class saucer section due to the studio's mistake (it has more windows than the physical model). This barely notices on screen. Trekyards did well to mention the 3rd Nebula with four nacelles shown from the debris of Wolf 359, that most certainly was a kitbash and not meant to be over analysed on modern DVDs.
Absolutely one of my favorite designs. ‘The Wounded’ is one of my favorite episodes. I love the war-time bridge and the banter between Data and his XO. Awesome.
According to the TNG Tech Manual the Nebula Class was used heavily in the testing of the Galaxy Tech that was being delveloped for the Galaxy Class ship which is why the parts are similar. Like the nacelles and saucer.
The first appearance variants are the Romulan shields and a class variant the next one is the Borg shield and a magellan Mission Pod. The 4 nacelled version was at Wolf 359 and seen on screen. :D
The solar panels at the top are actually the tachyon detection grid and field sensors used fro detecting cloaked hips, subspace anomalies, and generally increasing sensor function
The model of the AWACs version at 4:00 minutes has the attachment point for the pod farther up than the model in the series. In the series it was effectively flush with the nacelle pylons. The corners were also less rounded.
2:50 That is the Reman shield, you get it for free with the Coliseum mission. 11:50 Look in the stern section, just under that pillar for the dish. It looks like there is a Delta Flyer stored there. I think this specific ship may be able to serve as carrier type ship, which may explain all the shuttle bays and huge storage for that. Other possibility, it may be a attempt for a command type ship since there are so many ships involved with the Gamma fleet. That said, "Gamma Fleet Operations" may also hint to a ship that can do planet incursions due to the many shuttles. 16:48 "Tactical Cruiser" would be a fair idea while using this ship. Trow out the science bit and replace it with some mega phasers and other tactical gear and you would basically have a cruiser fit as tactical ship. So although the body is bad for that idea, it's more a science ship based on a cruiser, it still may work as slow weapon platform as opposite of the fast tactical ships with weaponry that basically is not doing the trick. Adding to that, the pod on top is marked as 'weapon pod', which makes me believe that thing is packed with weapons that can fire at the enemy. Probably a fair assumption is that it does have torpedo launchers in there which would up the fire power by a huge factor. 18:16 Looks like a Dunabe runabout in the rear of the second hull, the bigger shuttle in the pod seems to look like another Dunabe runabout (or something similar). A third Dunabe runabout seems to be in the hangarbay just below the bridge, which seems to be odd since that hangar bay is not high enough to fit one in unless adapted. This one may be specifically a carrier build ship. As mentioned in the video, fighters in the pod with what looks like a fly trough flight bay. Now, in all fairness this could be a dual flight bay with on each side 1 bay. Making this pod entirely for this purpose including refueling, repairs, ammunition storage, etc. I do not own a Nebula in STO yet, I'm hoping on a T6 version for that and hope it's a science carrier version. But yeah, the secondary hull would look better if it was intergrated into the main hull without removing the hull seperation. The pod on top would look better if it was a little lower build, although in case of a carrier version it would probably be better to have it a little higher so that you won't hit the main hull of you shot out of the hangarbay with your fighter. That would just leave a mess.
The Nebula class works so well as a design specifically because it uses design elements from the Galaxy class rearranged in a different configuration. Designs that share common design elements among several classes of ships are logical and a cost cutting measure in terms of resources and time management. Why design several different primary hulls (saucer sections) from a clean sheet when you can design one and use it on several classes of ships. The Nebula is clearly from a different design philosophy than the (Star Trek) cruiser design philosophy ( Constitution-Excelsior-Ambassador-Galaxy classes) of primary and secondary hull connected by a neck section. It's clearly part of the design philosophy of a integrated primary and secondary hull without a neck section typified in the Intrepid class USS Voyager, the Nova class USS Equinox and the Sovereign class Enterprise E.
The upside-down look works for me as well. Most of the time, at least with orbiting something, the belly is exposed to the planet or whatever, so it would make sense to have the sensors facing down. Saucer separation - in the larger, more detailed deck plan (11:01) you can see the separation boundaries. I thought that was a nice touch to that view.
I consider the Nebula Class to be one of the better additions to Trek canon, especially the weapons pod version. There's lot of potential for other mission specific pods.
I think the pods are mission specific and probably can be swapped out as needed at a star base. Jackill has the Phoenix as a separate class. All looks the same outside except for the pod and its attaching pylons. They're both listed as tactical cruisers on his blue prints. The Jackill print is the one at 16:38. Also, maybe the saucer shuttle bay is only meant to be used when separated if it indeed does do that.
It is so funny, I always assumed that there was a similar pattern through out Star Treks Time. Heavy Cruisers, Constitution, Excelsior, Ambassador, Galaxy etc. and it translated to Light Cruisers, Miranda, Centaur, ?????, Nebula. But after watching this and the Centaur video it does not seem like such a clear development. This show has really changed my old assumptions about the way things progressed, great show and great episode. I look forward to the full episode!
So when I was a child and I saw Generations for the first time, I thought the Nebular class ship had actually scooped up the Enterprise D helm from the planet to carry it back to...wherever. I always thought it was weird that Picard said it wasn’t salvageable and then you saw it being carried away from the planet. If you watch that scene again thinking of it this way, you will see how i came to that conclusion.
I always thought the pod could be an auxiliary craft that would be able to separate and be outfitted for a number of roles but my favorite role would have been a fighter role that would help in battle
I always pictured the nebulas running in packs during war time. One with heavy shielding, two with extra firepower, and one with sensor and energy dampening equipment.
The sensor dome Nebula was seen in the TNG episode "The Wounded", and the 4-nacelled Nebula was seen in the TNG episode "Future Imperfect" in Capt. Riker's ready room.
2:25 that's a Magellan-class, which is actually a Nebula-class variant; and I believe that it has the Reman shields equipped, which gives it that unique appearance.
I always saw this as a dedicated mission explorer. Where the Galaxy class of other deep space explorer would locate systems or anomalies of interest then a Nebula would research in more detail for an extended period of time and kitted out missions specific.
Space Frame Completion means that the skeleton of the ship has been assembled, but most of the interior components are missing. Similar to the way the US Army keeps dozens of tank frames on standby, the completed space frames make it easier to apply upgraded components and finish construction, allowing for a new starship to ship out in about 1/4 the time it would take to strip outdated components out of a fully completed starship and apply the upgrades (depending on the upgrade). Meanwhile, the ship with the outdated components can be worked on without compromising the fleet, either rejoining fleet or stripped down to a Space Frame to await its turn in the rotation.
Regarding saucer separation of the Nebula class, there is precious little clearance between the sensor pod (or whatever takes its place) and the saucer.
14:00 ish. I always saw it more like a Miranda Class that was mission specific. There were 'cruisers' like Reliant, then science vessels, and supply ships like the Lantree. Then there's the 71201 Prometheus as a science vessel, and the 65420 Phoenix as a cruiser.
Second picture is a STO Nebula class Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit with the Reman Prototype Covariant Shield Array. The pylons are from the alternative Magellan Class costume style and designed for a different (triangular) nacelle shape. The smooth and unadorned sensor pod module is most likely plain as it is just a casing over a massive and delicate sensor array. As with modern systems, the casing is a plain, single-piece radar-invisible composite that serves only to protect the delicate electronics underneath. (you know, like that black section on the nose of so many 1970's combat aircraft, etc.) You both called Nebula a science vessel, but she's never called a science vessel in Star Trek canon and is more often referred to as a cruiser by most sources. Remember though, most large Starfleet vessels are designed as 'lone wolf' exploration vessels that are expected to work alone for long periods of time. The types of mission we see Nebula on are exactly the same types of mission as the Galaxy class gets sent on, just where the Galaxy is far more generalized in her equipment, the Nebula often specializes in certain aspects. The idea regarding saucer retrieval has been floating around since she was first seen and is a very logical extrapolation. In fact it is likely most Nebula and Galaxy saucers are interchangeable. The Nebula's top-pod is supposed to be an interchangeable module with the ship bearing the appropriate module to suit mission parameters, hence the variations. Again though, whilst her module is normally called a sensor module (occasionally mission pod or weapons module), she was never actually described as a science vessel before STO. One of my hopes with STO was that she would get a redesign to make her more cruiser-ey and/or a flight deck carrier, especially given the Magellan variant has a massive hangar on each side of the saucer instead of one at the aft of the saucer. She was built during a time of peace, so they could take their time over her construction. she was also a test-bed for many Galaxy systems. Basicly, she's a more heavy duty, more specialized, more modifiable version of the Galaxy. A mix-breed work-horse, compared to the Galaxy's pure-bred race-horse. One of my favorite ship designs ever.
Like +Kurt Moore, I love the Nebula, as I think is obvious from how long I've prattled on. Sorry for that btw, but lots for you to take in is good I guess. Unlike Kurt, I understand this is only a 'lets chat about it and start working out the facts', but I was rather disappointed about how little you two knew of her. I know she can't be a favorite for everybody, but I always expect people to know a little bit more about her than the two of you seemed to. *sigh* Apparently nobody is perfect after all; and I had such high hopes for you +Stuart Foley. ;-)
David Bergfors the original ENTERPRISE was designed to be modular...quick change units for the engines/nacelles and separate the living section/saucer from the dangerous secondary hull
I think it makes sense. In British Navy of the WW1-WW2 eras, when they had a class of battleships run through production they tacked on a battlecruiser variant that was slightly scaled down for that production run. I could see the Federation doing something similar. If they had a shipyard making the Galaxy saucer sections, economically they might be able to make a few extra Nebula base hulls to put it on instead of 1 Galaxy hull over the course of the production period.
I love displaying this ship alongside my Eaglemoss D - I've waited since I was about 6 years old to have models of all the amazing ships. When I was a kid, and I first saw the USS Farragut in Generations, I didn't quite grasp that the Farragut was a totally different Federation ship - having never seen either Redemption or The Wounded - so I thought they had scooped the saucer off the surface, and rebuilt the Enterprise with spare parts! I was so fooled!
Me too, I thought it was a recovered Enterprise saucer section with some kind of tug ship carrying it back to Mars. The physical model was a reuse of the USS Sutherland repainted and for the superior cameras used in films as opposed to the TV show & renamed USS Farragut. She was subsequently destroyed off screen in DS9 season 4 or 5 by the Klingons.
I really like this class, especially with it's relation to the galaxy class. The modular designs to swap out everything from the saucer section seems like a smart design. I really think they should have brought the nacelles back behind the saucer, as not to interfere with the phaser strip's field of view or targeting capabilities. Unless it only fires laterally.
I could imagine the Nebula's triangular upper pod being a separable 'ship'. If something like the Defiant were made to be attached where the pod is, it'd give it more utility.
@ Samuel and Steuart that pic of the nebula with that glow is the STO Nebula with the prototype Reman set. So that color and glow ur seeing is not Breen or Borg but Reman.
Love it. Lets face it. Mirranda class was Refits plain but useful sister. Nebular and Galaxy have the same sort of relationship. Whats not to like. Looks great.
Some have already mentioned it but the original Nebula class with the four nacelles was going to be used as the Melbourne in TNG Best of Both Worlds. Can't remember the reasoning but they used the Excelsior model instead. The Nebula version of course appears in the graveyard scene and some pics have recently surfaced of the Wolf 359 graveyard models including the Nebula Melbourne with Name and Registry printed on it, it also explains why the Melbourne had such a 'high' registry number, NCC-62043. People mistakenly think the Excelsior model was only used in DS9's Emissary, but it was established in BoBW.
Yea, I think it more likely Riker would be offered a more modern Nebula class ship over an older Excelsior vessel. I tend too think of the Melbourne (Excelsior class) destroyed in 'Emissary' as being the USS Righteous from 'Star Trek.:Borg'.
my kit bash idea takes the Ent D, rotates the saucer forward length wise, then eliminate the neck, I would slightly elongate the stardrive section and shorten the nacelles. I would upgrade the weapons to dual fore and aft quantum torpedeo launchers.I envision this as a dreadnought variant as well with a saucer mounted single nacelle and a compact engineering just 2 decks with most of the equipment located under the floor.
That would be the Romulan kit, through redemption points with the New Romulus chits and in this that was a Magellan class, a nebula variant. However, the main reason for the Nebula being so popular on STO is due to that you get a nifty console. BTW when you do ships on STO, IMO would be nice to do the stats and officer complement you would need in order to use it properly.
The sensor version leaves a gap for shuttles leaving the saucer hangar bay. But the weapons pod strut is directly in line with the bay, making shuttle entry and exit difficult. Why attach this later weapons pod in a manner to partially obstruct the hangar?
The third picture is the Magellan variant of the miranda class. I'm thinking the introduced the configuration changes during the advent of the Soverign-class
I wish there would be more real-world infos in this kind of episodes, like who designed it, what were their goals for the design, who built the model for filming etc.
My biggest proble with the nebula are the stated dimensions. It's said to be only 2/3 of the weight of a galaxy, which is unlikely unless it's an empty shell. It's should even been heavier as the new backbone and pod are bigger then the neck of the galaxy. There might be a version which is empty on the inside but later versions, like the farragut, clearly have the same filling. Too bad we never se it seperate like the galaxy to pick up a stranded galaxy saucer.
I know you guys often mention how people always point out the bridge location on top of the saucer on Fed. ships. How they should be buried deep within the ship instead of on top. Bridge aside, I think it's interesting that they DO put the computer core in the deepest portion(s) of the hull since, well, without it you probably couldn't run/fly the ship effectively or even at all. Healthy computer, healthy ship. ;) (That's probably why Jim Kirk and Scotty could even effectively move/operate the practically ruined USS Constitution (ep. The Doomsday Machine) at all?)
Would it be possible to attach a pod with and extra shield emitter either hardening the existing shields or creating a secondary shield (like the scimitar) ?
Was daydreaming and came back to this design.... wonder if there could be a tactical version of this craft that replaced the upper pod with docking port for a Defiant Class vessel? Or perhaps do it on the Titan?
hahah XD the Oberth class looks so small in scale sized to the Galaxy class saucer on the Nebula. And yea That Nebula class that appeared in the generations ending happened to be the USS Faragut. Before in tng wounded the USS Phoenix.
No love the nebula. wtf. I think the version with triangluar pod is a beautiful sturdy ship. less vulnerable than the galaxy. I love that she is to the galaxy what the miranda is to the constitution.
Captain Foley: It'd be cool if they flip it upside down, put secondary hull at the bottom, a neck, oh its the Enterprise! In 2020, The Sutherland/Nebula t6 is the best STO C store science ship for exotic builds in game.
Have you all even watched Star Trek? The 4 engine version was in the Wolf 359 debris and in Sisko's office. The AWAC version was the first Nebula seen, USS Phoenix.
to Add to your comment on how it could be a saucer section collection sled I think it would be interesting to see a nebula class refited to collect multiple saucers or even used during the construction of galaxy class or other nebula classes
Although I wasn't a huge fan of the Nebula on first glance, over time I've really started to like it! A very practical, compact looking (for its overall volume), almost workhorse design that you can really imagine being deployed to a whole variety of tasks and configurations, doing the maybe unglamorous but crucial missions and generally getting the job done with no fuss.
the Southerland was the ship Data captained during the Romulan invasion of Vulcan.even though it had a Ent D saucer, it had a more simple bridge, similar to the battle bridge on the Ent D.would have been interesting to see a Capt Data series.
Having similar design elements doesn't constitute a kitbash. This ship is designed to look similar, but slightly different, showing common design elements. The model is built from scratch and has those elements intentionally. A kitbash ship is one where they just took parts lying around and threw them together to save time and money. That's a very different thing.
I understand that the first Nebula design was a prototype design..... Also a ship named USS Melbourne from Battle of Wolf359 was I believe to be this design!
I can not understand this obsession with saucer separation being available for every ship. The Galaxy and the Constitution are ships where this is plausible. The Constitution has a this neck, so that the saucer section can be busted off in case of a emergency. The Galaxy Class saucer separation had the same function, serving as a evac vessel in case of an emergency or in case of a battle. The sovereign and the nebula are vessels where separating the saucer would make no sense. Whitout the saucer the most part of the sovereign's weaponary would be gone, and the warp engine section has no impuls engines of it's own. I do not care that the sovereigns designer made some sketches of the sv. undocking it's saucer, it makes no sense. About the Nebula. In my oppinion there is simply unsufficient space for the saucer to separate. Yes, there was not much room for error on the galaxy class during separating and reconnecting the saucer section, but that is a different thing. Even the slightest error would result in the saucer bumping into the weapons module. Another thing, thou I am not sure about this, would such a separatet star drive section not have the same problems as the Defiant in it's early years?
Where the class had a role of saucer retrieval, could that be why the Farragut was sane once the D was lost? It had it's saucer attached so it may have been it was one of the closest ships. Or perhaps to see if the D saucer could be salvaged. I would think if the E-D saucer could be salvaged it would have a new Star Drive section either taken out of storage or the keel laid down to have a Galaxy Enterprise/Flagship back in service.
Having impacted on the surface of a planet, the Enterprise-D's saucer section would have been too structurally compromised by the crash to re-use.Furthermore, it was not designed for planetary lift-off and would have insufficient power to become space-borne. The saucer-retreival hypothesis was for saucers that were still in space, but whose stardrive was destroyed or damaged beyond recovery.
I never saw the Nebula Class as a kitbash, rather as a ship that was designed after the Galaxy Class, incorporating many of the lessons learned from the Galaxy Class design. As much as I love the Galaxy, as it was a "hero" ship, I do consider it to be a 'failure' in its original configuration. The fact that two of the three original ships were lost in relatively minor combat ... the indignity of the flagship of the Federation being destroyed by a defective surplus Klingon Bird of Prey ... and the loss of the Odyssey to a wing of 3 Jem Hadar fighters - whereas we've seen those very ships taken out by a Runabout in one-on-one combat... no. The Nebula Class is the 'improved' Galaxy Class - the ship that Starfleet had wanted to build when they first set out to build the Galaxy Class. It is slightly smaller, with less mass - significantly reduced length, but only slightly less internal volume. This means the ship is more maneuverable in combat. Plus, the mission specific pod design allows the ship to serve as a Heavy Cruiser, or serve long duration exploratory missions... the ship is a jack of all trades, and for all intents and purposes will fill the primary deep space exploration role for Starfleet up through the early 2400s...
7:00 Samuel, That's why the Phoenix Varriant is better because it's designed to allow shuttle entry. (Sometimes it's about function not style) 13:55 You don't design a 1.5 Million Metric Ton ship purely for science missions. Nebula has the same mission as Galaxy. To Service and defend the Colonies and Border Worlds of the Federation Nebula was created before Galaxy...or co developed Personally, Nebula is fine for me. It doesn't have to be lovely and sexy. The Secondary hull does what's necessary. It's good as is.
I always thought it looked sturdier than a Galaxy without the neck, but that's my ape brain. I've read before that the 4 nacelle version was supposed to be the USS Melbourne. But when the Battle of Wolf 359 was expanded for Emissary, it. became an Excelsior. There is another 4 nacelle variant that has more swept back top mini nacelles and an elongated aft portion of the secondary hull. I think it was an early concept for the Nebula class. That first pic of the Nebula sensor variant looked a hell of a lot better than the original, and with 2 supports, those poor shuttle pilots have less chance of crashing. ;-) I think they might have used the Nebula mission pod for the 3rd nacelle strut for the Galaxy-X. I didn't think I've ever made that connection before.
+Franky Ball IIRC, both Melbournes fought in Wolf 359. The one that was mentioned in BOBW was the 4-nacelle version which was the ship Riker was tapped to command.
Uh, in Star Trek the Motion picture, the big deal was that the phasers were channeled through the warp drive. Assuming that continued, then how do the phasers work when the saucer is separated? They did that in the Borg episodes and the saucer shot merrily away. Hmmm..
Nebula Class was my favorite ship class. I know it is the Reliant to the Enterprise D with upside down warp nacelles but the compact design just looks so cool more practical than the two hull connected by a narrow neck design that was in all the enterprises. But yeah the STO picture is just ugly.
One of my favorite ships. It has a real workhorse of the fleet lok to it while still looking powerful enough to handle its own (although it didn't really in the war. Cardassians tore the Honshu up bad).
I personally like the Phoenix variant best. The dual pylons for the AWACS pod eliminates the shuttle bay obstruction issue that the later Sutherland variant created. Plus, the Phoenix just looked more sciencier. The smooth pod was a nice touch. It really reminded me of when I worked with those planes.
I love how the top of the saucer attachment point on the secondary hull looks like a smiley face. "Hi, we're here to pick you up."
lol...🥂
I enjoy the Nebula. While it has familiar Galaxy components, It does not feel kitbashy to me, but rather a contemporary ship using standard designs for saucer and nacelles. I imagine it as a kind of companion ship for fleet ops which was intended to be deployed alongside the Galaxy. The pod seems to be a customizable unit that can be provided in multiple configurations, allowing the vessel to be tailored for any mission type. This, to me, always made it superior to the Galaxy which has great versatility but no specialization for any particular role.
CubanWriter isnt that the entire concept of a kitbash? but then if you look at the Lockheed Military Aircraft, C-130, C-1 etc they have a distinct art style
Hello there. On a pure kitbash, I find nothing original. In this case, in addition to 'standard modular elements' from other ships, we find wholly original segments of the hull structure, and we find components that exist nowhere else. Specifically, the back end of this vessel and the large mission pod apparatus are entirely original to the Nebula. This prevents it from feeling too kitbashy because some of the ship is found nowhere else.
CubanWriter yeah which is my point about the lockheed aircraft so yeah you are right
Galaxy class is POWER PROJECTION, a big imposing multi-role, stand alone- long range vessel, compare the neb, maranda or anything similar with comparable romulan or klingon would not be impressive, galaxy would make other ships think twice due to sheer size and weight-class
Built for speed & hit,&run!
The first STO pic has Reman shielding.
Yes.
This is my absolute favorite Starship. I'm kind of disappointed in the presentation of this fine ship. Very much "hum drum" out of Capt Foley and the total lack of research done on this vessel for this segment reflects in the final product.
Let's look at few of the problems and provide the corrected information, shall we? This is NOT a kitbashed ship, it was designed by a work group with Mike Okuda. It has changed repeatedly throughout TNG, DS9, and Voyager series. The final design presented it with the saucer section and nacelles as the exact same design as the Galaxy class. It was designed this way on purpose to save money (both for the TV production crews and for Starfleet). The triangular pod is a Heavy Weapons pod with 8 burst type torpedo tubes all facing forward (4 per forward edge) PLUS 6 additional type 10 phaser arrays. That gives this class 11 torpedo bays (there are 3 on the base ship of the primary and secondary hull) and 14 type 10 phaser arrays. The pod carries an additional 300 torpedeo casings and 400 warheads. This is one of the most heavily armed Starfleet vessels ever developed. If we compare the fire power of the Galaxy class to a Nebula class with heavy weapons pod it is obvious that the Nebula has considerably more firepower. Defensive shielding over the entire ship is 20% more effective than the Galaxy class due to the missing neck Capt Foley loved so much decreasing the overall exterior surface area. The shields are doubled over the weapons pod (primary and secondary shielding to clarify) due to the fact that it is such an obvious target.
I could go on for quite a bit longer but I think this proves my point. Guys y'all usually do such excellent work, it was rather lack luster on this class of ship.
+Kurt Moore Hello, this was a Mission Briefing episode. Mission briefings are as we said in the introduction a discussion show on a ship BEFORE we do the full episode on it so that we can get out thoughts out their and any fan's that have information can chip in in the comments below. This is not meant to be a full Saturday release and is not presented as such so we thank you very much for your information and we hope you look forward to the full episode on her later down the line!
Yes it's just a Mission Briefing definitely NOT the full episode on this ship. Just us 2 chatting about the ship and figuring things out. I was not dis-interested just did a lot of filming that day. I thought this was a pretty good mission briefing actually. Sorry you were disappointed. I suggest you watch the full episodes released on Saturday instead if these Mission Briefings aren't your cup of tea.
+Kurt Moore I love it when peeps quote "stuff" (e.g. "The triangular pod is a Heavy Weapons pod with 8 burst type torpedo tubes..." etc...) as FACT when it's anything but. There's no canon mention anywhere (to my knowledge) of what the firepower of the Nebula is (and no i don't care what various websites may claim). All the info you gave about the design of the ship model is great but the weaponery is just someone's speculation :)
+Kurt Moore Don't get me wrong. It is probably in my top 3 favorite Trek ships, but not because of its firepower. It's certainly not a dedicated warship. Let's not forget that it was designed around the time of TNG, when Starfleet didn't believe in warships. My interpretation the non-canon armament info is that COULD be outfitted as such, but only under extreme circumstances.
The physical model is indeed original & not a kitbash. Alas the CGI model used in DS9 later seasons was the Galaxy class saucer section due to the studio's mistake (it has more windows than the physical model). This barely notices on screen. Trekyards did well to mention the 3rd Nebula with four nacelles shown from the debris of Wolf 359, that most certainly was a kitbash and not meant to be over analysed on modern DVDs.
Absolutely one of my favorite designs. ‘The Wounded’ is one of my favorite episodes. I love the war-time bridge and the banter between Data and his XO. Awesome.
According to the TNG Tech Manual the Nebula Class was used heavily in the testing of the Galaxy Tech that was being delveloped for the Galaxy Class ship which is why the parts are similar. Like the nacelles and saucer.
Nebula is to Galaxy what Miranda is to Constitution.....
I love the Nebula
You know, watching your videos is more fun to me than reading Memory Alpha and Beta combined! ;) Thanks for uploading.
The first appearance variants are the Romulan shields and a class variant
the next one is the Borg shield and a magellan Mission Pod.
The 4 nacelled version was at Wolf 359 and seen on screen.
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The solar panels at the top are actually the tachyon detection grid and field sensors used fro detecting cloaked hips, subspace anomalies, and generally increasing sensor function
The model of the AWACs version at 4:00 minutes has the attachment point for the pod farther up than the model in the series. In the series it was effectively flush with the nacelle pylons. The corners were also less rounded.
2:50 That is the Reman shield, you get it for free with the Coliseum mission.
11:50 Look in the stern section, just under that pillar for the dish. It looks like there is a Delta Flyer stored there. I think this specific ship may be able to serve as carrier type ship, which may explain all the shuttle bays and huge storage for that. Other possibility, it may be a attempt for a command type ship since there are so many ships involved with the Gamma fleet. That said, "Gamma Fleet Operations" may also hint to a ship that can do planet incursions due to the many shuttles.
16:48 "Tactical Cruiser" would be a fair idea while using this ship. Trow out the science bit and replace it with some mega phasers and other tactical gear and you would basically have a cruiser fit as tactical ship. So although the body is bad for that idea, it's more a science ship based on a cruiser, it still may work as slow weapon platform as opposite of the fast tactical ships with weaponry that basically is not doing the trick.
Adding to that, the pod on top is marked as 'weapon pod', which makes me believe that thing is packed with weapons that can fire at the enemy. Probably a fair assumption is that it does have torpedo launchers in there which would up the fire power by a huge factor.
18:16 Looks like a Dunabe runabout in the rear of the second hull, the bigger shuttle in the pod seems to look like another Dunabe runabout (or something similar). A third Dunabe runabout seems to be in the hangarbay just below the bridge, which seems to be odd since that hangar bay is not high enough to fit one in unless adapted. This one may be specifically a carrier build ship. As mentioned in the video, fighters in the pod with what looks like a fly trough flight bay. Now, in all fairness this could be a dual flight bay with on each side 1 bay. Making this pod entirely for this purpose including refueling, repairs, ammunition storage, etc.
I do not own a Nebula in STO yet, I'm hoping on a T6 version for that and hope it's a science carrier version. But yeah, the secondary hull would look better if it was intergrated into the main hull without removing the hull seperation. The pod on top would look better if it was a little lower build, although in case of a carrier version it would probably be better to have it a little higher so that you won't hit the main hull of you shot out of the hangarbay with your fighter. That would just leave a mess.
The Nebula class works so well as a design specifically because it uses design elements from the Galaxy class rearranged in a different configuration. Designs that share common design elements among several classes of ships are logical and a cost cutting measure in terms of resources and time management. Why design several different primary hulls (saucer sections) from a clean sheet when you can design one and use it on several classes of ships.
The Nebula is clearly from a different design philosophy than the (Star Trek) cruiser design philosophy ( Constitution-Excelsior-Ambassador-Galaxy classes) of primary and secondary hull connected by a neck section. It's clearly part of the design philosophy of a integrated primary and secondary hull without a neck section typified in the Intrepid class USS Voyager, the Nova class USS Equinox and the Sovereign class Enterprise E.
The upside-down look works for me as well. Most of the time, at least with orbiting something, the belly is exposed to the planet or whatever, so it would make sense to have the sensors facing down.
Saucer separation - in the larger, more detailed deck plan (11:01) you can see the separation boundaries. I thought that was a nice touch to that view.
I consider the Nebula Class to be one of the better additions to Trek canon, especially the weapons pod version. There's lot of potential for other mission specific pods.
I enjoy the back and forth between you two. The British guy has the same kind of accent as Imogen Heap when she talks. It's quite endearing.
I think the pods are mission specific and probably can be swapped out as needed at a star base. Jackill has the Phoenix as a separate class. All looks the same outside except for the pod and its attaching pylons. They're both listed as tactical cruisers on his blue prints. The Jackill print is the one at 16:38. Also, maybe the saucer shuttle bay is only meant to be used when separated if it indeed does do that.
It is so funny, I always assumed that there was a similar pattern through out Star Treks Time. Heavy Cruisers, Constitution, Excelsior, Ambassador, Galaxy etc. and it translated to Light Cruisers, Miranda, Centaur, ?????, Nebula. But after watching this and the Centaur video it does not seem like such a clear development.
This show has really changed my old assumptions about the way things progressed, great show and great episode. I look forward to the full episode!
So when I was a child and I saw Generations for the first time, I thought the Nebular class ship had actually scooped up the Enterprise D helm from the planet to carry it back to...wherever. I always thought it was weird that Picard said it wasn’t salvageable and then you saw it being carried away from the planet. If you watch that scene again thinking of it this way, you will see how i came to that conclusion.
I always thought the pod could be an auxiliary craft that would be able to separate and be outfitted for a number of roles but my favorite role would have been a fighter role that would help in battle
Was looking forward to this one, Nebula has always been a favorite of mine.
The Borg liked the triangle so much that they completely redesigned it and made it a lot bigger and more stylized.
I always pictured the nebulas running in packs during war time. One with heavy shielding, two with extra firepower, and one with sensor and energy dampening equipment.
That is why I like it is compacted & built for speed!
The sensor dome Nebula was seen in the TNG episode "The Wounded", and the 4-nacelled Nebula was seen in the TNG episode "Future Imperfect" in Capt. Riker's ready room.
2:25 that's a Magellan-class, which is actually a Nebula-class variant; and I believe that it has the Reman shields equipped, which gives it that unique appearance.
Could be the 4 nacelle version was a trial version for saucer warp engines when the two parts are separated.
I always saw this as a dedicated mission explorer. Where the Galaxy class of other deep space explorer would locate systems or anomalies of interest then a Nebula would research in more detail for an extended period of time and kitted out missions specific.
Space Frame Completion means that the skeleton of the ship has been assembled, but most of the interior components are missing. Similar to the way the US Army keeps dozens of tank frames on standby, the completed space frames make it easier to apply upgraded components and finish construction, allowing for a new starship to ship out in about 1/4 the time it would take to strip outdated components out of a fully completed starship and apply the upgrades (depending on the upgrade). Meanwhile, the ship with the outdated components can be worked on without compromising the fleet, either rejoining fleet or stripped down to a Space Frame to await its turn in the rotation.
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I always wanted to see a version with a pod equipped with fighters, glad someone created a schematic that showed that was possible!
The Magellen variant in STO looks kinda neat but I do love the standard look of the Nebula better :)
Also, that main pod that you showed is a weapons pod filled with photon launchers as seen in Voyager's episode "Message in a Bottle"
I am about to fly it in STO! So excited!
Phoenix variant is still my fav. It just looks more sciencey and AWAC.
Regarding saucer separation of the Nebula class, there is precious little clearance between the sensor pod (or whatever takes its place) and the saucer.
14:00 ish. I always saw it more like a Miranda Class that was mission specific. There were 'cruisers' like Reliant, then science vessels, and supply ships like the Lantree. Then there's the 71201 Prometheus as a science vessel, and the 65420 Phoenix as a cruiser.
That's my thinking too. I think the upper pod changes specific to the mission. I suspect saucer separation was possible.
Second picture is a STO Nebula class Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit with the Reman Prototype Covariant Shield Array. The pylons are from the alternative Magellan Class costume style and designed for a different (triangular) nacelle shape.
The smooth and unadorned sensor pod module is most likely plain as it is just a casing over a massive and delicate sensor array. As with modern systems, the casing is a plain, single-piece radar-invisible composite that serves only to protect the delicate electronics underneath. (you know, like that black section on the nose of so many 1970's combat aircraft, etc.)
You both called Nebula a science vessel, but she's never called a science vessel in Star Trek canon and is more often referred to as a cruiser by most sources. Remember though, most large Starfleet vessels are designed as 'lone wolf' exploration vessels that are expected to work alone for long periods of time. The types of mission we see Nebula on are exactly the same types of mission as the Galaxy class gets sent on, just where the Galaxy is far more generalized in her equipment, the Nebula often specializes in certain aspects.
The idea regarding saucer retrieval has been floating around since she was first seen and is a very logical extrapolation. In fact it is likely most Nebula and Galaxy saucers are interchangeable.
The Nebula's top-pod is supposed to be an interchangeable module with the ship bearing the appropriate module to suit mission parameters, hence the variations. Again though, whilst her module is normally called a sensor module (occasionally mission pod or weapons module), she was never actually described as a science vessel before STO.
One of my hopes with STO was that she would get a redesign to make her more cruiser-ey and/or a flight deck carrier, especially given the Magellan variant has a massive hangar on each side of the saucer instead of one at the aft of the saucer.
She was built during a time of peace, so they could take their time over her construction. she was also a test-bed for many Galaxy systems. Basicly, she's a more heavy duty, more specialized, more modifiable version of the Galaxy. A mix-breed work-horse, compared to the Galaxy's pure-bred race-horse.
One of my favorite ship designs ever.
Like +Kurt Moore, I love the Nebula, as I think is obvious from how long I've prattled on. Sorry for that btw, but lots for you to take in is good I guess.
Unlike Kurt, I understand this is only a 'lets chat about it and start working out the facts', but I was rather disappointed about how little you two knew of her. I know she can't be a favorite for everybody, but I always expect people to know a little bit more about her than the two of you seemed to.
*sigh* Apparently nobody is perfect after all; and I had such high hopes for you +Stuart Foley. ;-)
The first time i saw it i thougt it was a recovery ship that just recovered the Enterprise D Saucer section XD
neck is facing the wrong way.
PeyoteIguana what has the neck to do with my comment?
If it's gonna connect with a D saucer, obviously the neck is shaped wrong and facing the wrong direction.
+PeyoteIguana ahh, but 8 year old me didn't noticed that in the generation fly by
Perhaps a miscommunication, I just know the fan art doesn't jibe with this thing connecting with a D saucer.
Miranda and the Nebula are my favorite.
The nebula is one of my favorite. Didn't like it as a kid but now I really do
This is probably my absolute favorite ship! I always thought the "neck" of the more traditional ships were a weird detail...
David Bergfors the original ENTERPRISE was designed to be modular...quick change units for the engines/nacelles and separate the living section/saucer from the dangerous secondary hull
I think it makes sense. In British Navy of the WW1-WW2 eras, when they had a class of battleships run through production they tacked on a battlecruiser variant that was slightly scaled down for that production run. I could see the Federation doing something similar. If they had a shipyard making the Galaxy saucer sections, economically they might be able to make a few extra Nebula base hulls to put it on instead of 1 Galaxy hull over the course of the production period.
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I love displaying this ship alongside my Eaglemoss D - I've waited since I was about 6 years old to have models of all the amazing ships. When I was a kid, and I first saw the USS Farragut in Generations, I didn't quite grasp that the Farragut was a totally different Federation ship - having never seen either Redemption or The Wounded - so I thought they had scooped the saucer off the surface, and rebuilt the Enterprise with spare parts! I was so fooled!
Me too, I thought it was a recovered Enterprise saucer section with some kind of tug ship carrying it back to Mars. The physical model was a reuse of the USS Sutherland repainted and for the superior cameras used in films as opposed to the TV show & renamed USS Farragut. She was subsequently destroyed off screen in DS9 season 4 or 5 by the Klingons.
I just realized that with no neck the nebula would have fared much better against that bird of prey in generations
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Any starship with a competent set of writers would have fared better against the bop in Generations.
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Yep, the Federation's worst enemy aren't the Borg, it's the folks sitting in that cramped little room under the whip of Rick Berman.
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Ironic that is sooo true.
02:46 that image from STO, that is with reman space set, when you set there shields you get that color of ship
I really like this class, especially with it's relation to the galaxy class. The modular designs to swap out everything from the saucer section seems like a smart design. I really think they should have brought the nacelles back behind the saucer, as not to interfere with the phaser strip's field of view or targeting capabilities. Unless it only fires laterally.
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I could imagine the Nebula's triangular upper pod being a separable 'ship'. If something like the Defiant were made to be attached where the pod is, it'd give it more utility.
The awacs one was the Phoenix. The Wounded is one of my favourite episodes
I agree, get rid of the secondary hull and put the deflector on the saucer like the NX-01.
this is my second favorite starship design and my favorite cannon one.
@ Samuel and Steuart that pic of the nebula with that glow is the STO Nebula with the prototype Reman set. So that color and glow ur seeing is not Breen or Borg but Reman.
Love it. Lets face it. Mirranda class was Refits plain but useful sister. Nebular and Galaxy have the same sort of relationship. Whats not to like. Looks great.
Because of all your jokes I feel the urge to start STO and name my nebula class starship "USS Watney"
Some have already mentioned it but the original Nebula class with the four nacelles was going to be used as the Melbourne in TNG Best of Both Worlds. Can't remember the reasoning but they used the Excelsior model instead. The Nebula version of course appears in the graveyard scene and some pics have recently surfaced of the Wolf 359 graveyard models including the Nebula Melbourne with Name and Registry printed on it, it also explains why the Melbourne had such a 'high' registry number, NCC-62043.
People mistakenly think the Excelsior model was only used in DS9's Emissary, but it was established in BoBW.
Yea, I think it more likely Riker would be offered a more modern Nebula class ship over an older Excelsior vessel. I tend too think of the Melbourne (Excelsior class) destroyed in 'Emissary' as being the USS Righteous from 'Star Trek.:Borg'.
you guys should get t-shirts printed up with 'That's cool, that's really cool'.
my kit bash idea takes the Ent D, rotates the saucer forward length wise, then eliminate the neck, I would slightly elongate the stardrive section and shorten the nacelles. I would upgrade the weapons to dual fore and aft quantum torpedeo launchers.I envision this as a dreadnought variant as well with a saucer mounted single nacelle and a compact engineering just 2 decks with most of the equipment located under the floor.
That would be the Romulan kit, through redemption points with the New Romulus chits and in this that was a Magellan class, a nebula variant. However, the main reason for the Nebula being so popular on STO is due to that you get a nifty console. BTW when you do ships on STO, IMO would be nice to do the stats and officer complement you would need in order to use it properly.
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The sensor version leaves a gap for shuttles leaving the saucer hangar bay. But the weapons pod strut is directly in line with the bay, making shuttle entry and exit difficult. Why attach this later weapons pod in a manner to partially obstruct the hangar?
The third picture is the Magellan variant of the miranda class. I'm thinking the introduced the configuration changes during the advent of the Soverign-class
I wish there would be more real-world infos in this kind of episodes, like who designed it, what were their goals for the design, who built the model for filming etc.
gotta trust the safety protocols on the lower saucer phaser array the nacells are in the line of fire.
It's 2017 and still no DS9 remastered! lol
Space frame leave does not mean warp sled. Space frame level means the ships are being built but not completed.
My biggest proble with the nebula are the stated dimensions. It's said to be only 2/3 of the weight of a galaxy, which is unlikely unless it's an empty shell. It's should even been heavier as the new backbone and pod are bigger then the neck of the galaxy. There might be a version which is empty on the inside but later versions, like the farragut, clearly have the same filling. Too bad we never se it seperate like the galaxy to pick up a stranded galaxy saucer.
I know you guys often mention how people always point out the bridge location on top of the saucer on Fed. ships. How they should be buried deep within the ship instead of on top. Bridge aside, I think it's interesting that they DO put the computer core in the deepest portion(s) of the hull since, well, without it you probably couldn't run/fly the ship effectively or even at all. Healthy computer, healthy ship. ;) (That's probably why Jim Kirk and Scotty could even effectively move/operate the practically ruined USS Constitution (ep. The Doomsday Machine) at all?)
Would it be possible to attach a pod with and extra shield emitter either hardening the existing shields or creating a secondary shield (like the scimitar) ?
The Star Trek Online pic is Reman I believe and I believe the only time we see the Four Nacelled variant is at Wolf 359.
Was daydreaming and came back to this design.... wonder if there could be a tactical version of this craft that replaced the upper pod with docking port for a Defiant Class vessel? Or perhaps do it on the Titan?
hahah XD the Oberth class looks so small in scale sized to the Galaxy class saucer on the Nebula.
And yea That Nebula class that appeared in the generations ending happened to be the USS Faragut. Before in tng wounded the USS Phoenix.
No love the nebula. wtf. I think the version with triangluar pod is a beautiful sturdy ship. less vulnerable than the galaxy. I love that she is to the galaxy what the miranda is to the constitution.
Captain Foley: It'd be cool if they flip it upside down, put secondary hull at the bottom, a neck, oh its the Enterprise! In 2020, The Sutherland/Nebula t6 is the best STO C store science ship for exotic builds in game.
Have you all even watched Star Trek? The 4 engine version was in the Wolf 359 debris and in Sisko's office. The AWAC version was the first Nebula seen, USS Phoenix.
I don't know if it appeared in Sisko's Ready Room, i'd have to recheck eas, but the fournacelled Nebula was seen first in the Wolf 359 debris field.
I told Franz Joseph to get busy to design the new Nebula-Class!
to Add to your comment on how it could be a saucer section collection sled I think it would be interesting to see a nebula class refited to collect multiple saucers or even used during the construction of galaxy class or other nebula classes
Although I wasn't a huge fan of the Nebula on first glance, over time I've really started to like it! A very practical, compact looking (for its overall volume), almost workhorse design that you can really imagine being deployed to a whole variety of tasks and configurations, doing the maybe unglamorous but crucial missions and generally getting the job done with no fuss.
pkscarr like the Miranda
The Nebula class is actually a Galaxy class that did not get away quickly enough when the Earth Space Dock closed its door.
the Southerland was the ship Data captained during the Romulan invasion of Vulcan.even though it had a Ent D saucer, it had a more simple bridge, similar to the battle bridge on the Ent D.would have been interesting to see a Capt Data series.
+Mark Plott It //was// the Enterprise D's battle bridge... well the same set, anyway. They did a bit of redress and darkened it down, but...
Having similar design elements doesn't constitute a kitbash. This ship is designed to look similar, but slightly different, showing common design elements. The model is built from scratch and has those elements intentionally.
A kitbash ship is one where they just took parts lying around and threw them together to save time and money. That's a very different thing.
I understand that the first Nebula design was a prototype design..... Also a ship named USS Melbourne from Battle of Wolf359 was I believe to be this design!
I can not understand this obsession with saucer separation being available for every ship. The Galaxy and the Constitution are ships where this is plausible. The Constitution has a this neck, so that the saucer section can be busted off in case of a emergency. The Galaxy Class saucer separation had the same function, serving as a evac vessel in case of an emergency or in case of a battle.
The sovereign and the nebula are vessels where separating the saucer would make no sense. Whitout the saucer the most part of the sovereign's weaponary would be gone, and the warp engine section has no impuls engines of it's own. I do not care that the sovereigns designer made some sketches of the sv. undocking it's saucer, it makes no sense.
About the Nebula. In my oppinion there is simply unsufficient space for the saucer to separate. Yes, there was not much room for error on the galaxy class during separating and reconnecting the saucer section, but that is a different thing. Even the slightest error would result in the saucer bumping into the weapons module. Another thing, thou I am not sure about this, would such a separatet star drive section not have the same problems as the Defiant in it's early years?
The four engine Nebula was present in the first episode of DS9, you see it a dead ship hulk during battle with the Borg.
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Gentleman an advance Nebula-Class without the 2nd hull will possibly add more warp-speed.
The nebula has always been one of my favourites.
Where the class had a role of saucer retrieval, could that be why the Farragut was sane once the D was lost? It had it's saucer attached so it may have been it was one of the closest ships. Or perhaps to see if the D saucer could be salvaged. I would think if the E-D saucer could be salvaged it would have a new Star Drive section either taken out of storage or the keel laid down to have a Galaxy Enterprise/Flagship back in service.
Having impacted on the surface of a planet, the Enterprise-D's saucer section would have been too structurally compromised by the crash to re-use.Furthermore, it was not designed for planetary lift-off and would have insufficient power to become space-borne. The saucer-retreival hypothesis was for saucers that were still in space, but whose stardrive was destroyed or damaged beyond recovery.
So rare to see an Oberth class NOT blow up after being on the screen for five seconds.
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I never saw the Nebula Class as a kitbash, rather as a ship that was designed after the Galaxy Class, incorporating many of the lessons learned from the Galaxy Class design. As much as I love the Galaxy, as it was a "hero" ship, I do consider it to be a 'failure' in its original configuration. The fact that two of the three original ships were lost in relatively minor combat ... the indignity of the flagship of the Federation being destroyed by a defective surplus Klingon Bird of Prey ... and the loss of the Odyssey to a wing of 3 Jem Hadar fighters - whereas we've seen those very ships taken out by a Runabout in one-on-one combat... no.
The Nebula Class is the 'improved' Galaxy Class - the ship that Starfleet had wanted to build when they first set out to build the Galaxy Class. It is slightly smaller, with less mass - significantly reduced length, but only slightly less internal volume. This means the ship is more maneuverable in combat. Plus, the mission specific pod design allows the ship to serve as a Heavy Cruiser, or serve long duration exploratory missions... the ship is a jack of all trades, and for all intents and purposes will fill the primary deep space exploration role for Starfleet up through the early 2400s...
I always found it interesting that the ship has no visible impulse engines.
where do you get those miniatyre models of the ships.
The nebula classes weapons pod from Star Trek legacy
has those torpedo launchers u where looking for
7:00 Samuel, That's why the Phoenix Varriant is better because it's designed to allow shuttle entry. (Sometimes it's about function not style)
13:55 You don't design a 1.5 Million Metric Ton ship purely for science missions. Nebula has the same mission as Galaxy. To Service and defend the Colonies and Border Worlds of the Federation
Nebula was created before Galaxy...or co developed
Personally, Nebula is fine for me. It doesn't have to be lovely and sexy. The Secondary hull does what's necessary. It's good as is.
The nebula class packs a major punch she attacked the cardassians and they sent the galaxy class enterprise too stop her captain..
I always thought it looked sturdier than a Galaxy without the neck, but that's my ape brain.
I've read before that the 4 nacelle version was supposed to be the USS Melbourne. But when the Battle of Wolf 359 was expanded for Emissary, it. became an Excelsior.
There is another 4 nacelle variant that has more swept back top mini nacelles and an elongated aft portion of the secondary hull. I think it was an early concept for the Nebula class.
That first pic of the Nebula sensor variant looked a hell of a lot better than the original, and with 2 supports, those poor shuttle pilots have less chance of crashing. ;-)
I think they might have used the Nebula mission pod for the 3rd nacelle strut for the Galaxy-X. I didn't think I've ever made that connection before.
+Franky Ball IIRC, both Melbournes fought in Wolf 359. The one that was mentioned in BOBW was the 4-nacelle version which was the ship Riker was tapped to command.
i like it , would have bin nice to have seen more of it . what about new orleans class? good job with the show
In case no one has said so, that second picture of the Nebula in Star Trek online has the Reman visuals.
Uh, in Star Trek the Motion picture, the big deal was that the phasers were channeled through the warp drive. Assuming that continued, then how do the phasers work when the saucer is separated? They did that in the Borg episodes and the saucer shot merrily away. Hmmm..
Nebula Class was my favorite ship class. I know it is the Reliant to the Enterprise D with upside down warp nacelles but the compact design just looks so cool more practical than the two hull connected by a narrow neck design that was in all the enterprises.
But yeah the STO picture is just ugly.
Awesome as always