@@jjbbjjbbjjbblol go ahead and cope harder that shanks is stronger than mihawk. Shanks doesn't have a black blade. If shanks is stronger than mihawk especially with haki, why hasn't he turned his blade black? He lost an arm to make it worse. Mihawk packs up shanks hard to extreme diff.
I always saw Mihawk vs Luffy in Marineford like a teacher testing a student, Mihawk's apology to Shanks is him basically saying "I'm not going to just let him pass for free", it doesn't mean the teacher is using all of his knowledge and going specifically for the kill
The way I took mihawk going all out was he truly was putting a lot if not full power behind his swings but he wasn’t actually trying that hard to hit luffy with them just to make luffy worry. But with vista I feel it was the other way because he was a swordsman he was holding back on his strength while testing vistas skill.
I can't say the role was like a teacher. You can say luffy got him curious and he unleashed some test attacks like let's see what this kid can do. Also Mihawk is technically luffy's enemy now. He's in the cross guild.
@@pollen1253 unfortunately the databook said mihawk = vista. i hope this isn't true so i can go back and tell everyone to never trust the databook ever again
The name haki man crazy in this argument. Most people I see are happy to admit that Mihawk probably has the best observation haki due to his clairvoyant epithet and most also agree that his black blade probably means he has better armament. This is 2 of 3 haki types so how are people arguing Shanks wins because he specialises in haki when he likely only has better conquerors haki but as long as Mihawk has advanced conquerors they can still clash and Mihawk even has the confirmed better fighting skills.
For real but the headcanons be like_ During the duel Mihawk- Hey akagami, turn off your haki, this is swordsmanship please thats not fair. Shanks 'The haki man' - Okay chil homie don't cry, i will..
Jokes aside i think the epithet 'Haki man' suits very well for Garp. The man is nothing but Haki & brute strength keeping up with the likes of Roger, WB & Sengoku.
Listen Mihawk fans, right now your points are all talk and no walk!!! We haven’t actually seen Mihawk do anything comparable to top tiers in the entire series!! He needs to prove that he’s stronger with physical feats, because right now Shanks is giving us extraordinary feats against top tiers!! Mihawk has to do something to convince us he’s worthy of the title, not just have the title and nothing else!!!!
bro he's the strongest SWORDSMAN that means he's the STRONGEST CHARACTER! Bro he's chopping up Kaido, he's chopping up Whitebeard (he's the world strongest kabob now), and he's COOKING ALL THE ADMIRALS with one hand! I understand why Kaido didn't acknowledge Mihawk... it's cause he surpasses ROGER himself I know why BOTH Akainu and the Gorgesi only freaks out when shanks moves and not Mihawk... it's cause DRACULA D.!!!! Is too strong! Emu is shivering in his boots!!!! Joy boy is waiting for Mihawk to move!!!
Till a few months ago we haven't seen power level of elders but still placed them above yonko and admirals. Ultimately it turn out that Gear5 luffy cannot do anything to them. Rocks hasn't shown any feat should we ignore him, definitely not, no person in their right mind would go against Roger and Garp. Dragon has not shown any feat so can we put him in league of vice admiral, for this you must watch Tom and Jerry not this. We haven't seen power of Holy knights should they be in league of vice admirals, The point Oda is not an idiot who would waste an important character for decades. Mihawk needs to be stronger than shanks as ultimately Zoro has to become world's strongest swordsman + final fight is against imu so technically you can consider league of Zoro after that. Fraud Mihawk would result in wastage of existence of both shank and Zoro.
@@strangerop8318 Mihawk is only relevant because of his connection with Zoro!!! Shanks has the connection with Luffy (the MC) since the first chapter!! Zoro can beat Mihawk and become the world's strongest swordsman surpassing both of him and Shanks, but Shanks can still be stronger than Mihawk!!! Mihawk just has the title, and we know he hasn't fought every swordsman in the world!! He hasn't fought Venusjuro or Garling and he didn't even beat Shanks, the government just decided to give him the title!!! This won't be an issue for Zoro because we know he will beat Mihawk, Venusjoru, and the majority of top tier swordsman by end of series From how Oda is portraying Shanks, it looks like he is way stronger right now so I'm hoping he gives Mihawk something soon!!!
I think deep down the main reason people want Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk aside from them just liking the character more, is because Shanks is to Luffy what Mihawk is to Zoro. And assuming Luffy and Zoro both defeat Shanks/Mihawk respectively at roughly the same time, doesn't that mean that Zoro is stronger than Luffy? That's what people want to avoid. Then the only three explanations left are: 1) "Mihawk may be slightly stronger than Shanks, but the small amount of difference will be eclipsed by how much effort Zoro will put into beating Mihawk compared to Luffy beating Shanks, thus keeping the powerscaling consistent between Luffy and Zoro. As Zoro put in way more effort than Luffy to defeat a barely stronger opponent." This kinda makes Shanks look too weak and Luffy too strong, as it implies Luffy will beat Shanks using anything less than extreme diff. 2) "Luffy will beat Shanks wayyy before Zoro will beat Mihawk, so there's still a progression with Mihawk, the stronger opponent, coming later in the story." While this is possible it just doesn't seem very likely, considering we've got 2 1/2 years left and both of these things narratively should really come before Laugh Tale/the final war against the WG, imo. 3) "Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. Luffy/Zoro will defeat their respective guys at roughly the same time, both using extreme diff. And Zoro will just be stronger than Luffy for a short while, before another fight comes along shortly after (Blackbeard) and re-establishes Luffy as stronger by the end of that fight." This is the explanation that honestly I'm going with for now, but you can see why this one hasn't really caught on as it requires to accept a bunch of other headcanons first. Great video tho, didn't mean to write a whole ass essay😅 Also I think I've forgotten how black blades work cause aren't Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Law and Zoro all users of black blades/grade swords?
No, Only Mihawk and Ryuma are stated to have created Black Blade and Zoro used Ryuma's sword and every other characters never had Black Blade. Hence why it's so special.
agreed! theres also the cabaji example which is even funnier... he spits fire, throws some sort of bayblades, smoke grenades and kicks and he identifies himself as swordsman which zoro ackowledged that cabaji indeed is a swordsman! haki is pretty much a supplement, its used to boost the already existant fighting style of the user NOT a style apart from it but shankstards think WHEN IT COMES TO SHANKS that haki becomes a fighting style of its own... a serious shanks used a sword technique to cut down kidd whos one of the strongest pirates currently and shanks was extremely serious bcz he foresaw a future where his fleet got literally obliterated into oblivion so he stepped in ASAP and in serious mode he got the W instantly using a sword technique coated with massive haki!!!
Shanks is a swordsman, but he's not only a swordsman. As we saw recently, there is some crazy shit you can do with adv conqueror's haki. Shanks scared Green Bull with a haki beam from outside of the island. It is possible and likely that Shanks developed conqueror's haki skills that have nothing to do with swordsmanship. His default is to use a sword, but we've never seen Shanks fight seriously. We've actually never seen him fight at all. He one-shotted Captain Useless Mid with his sword attack, but that's about it. You are right that Shanks being a stronger swordsman would invalidate Zoro's goal. But he's not a stronger swordsman. As a swordsman, Shanks is no match for Mihawk since losing his arm. But as a fighter he is most likely stronger than Mihawk, simply based on the fact that Shanks is Luffy's mentor/rival, and Mihawk is Zoro's mentor/rival. Luffy always has the stronger opponent, and Luffy's promise to Shanks kickstarted the entire story. It would be extremely underwhelming if Shanks turned out weaker than Zoro's opponent.
World's most powerful swordsman > yonko swordsman + Zoro already is yonko lvl by the way, now that Enma has finally acknowledged him as Oden's worthy heir.
@@Zoro-go1mc you truly believe Current zoro is beating Wb, Shanks, BM, BB, Kaido… who is he beating out of those??? I don’t see zoro beating ANY of them except MAYBE a sick wb at marineford and thats pushing it still. Zoro is yonko commander~admiral level right now. Not yonko level, maybe end series after he beats mihawk who is a yonko level character.
Both sides will swear they are right and that the other is blatantly and obviously wrong but neither of them can prove it tho. For me personally I just look at the writing Oda gives the character, Shanks has always been written to be more hype so for me he's stronger if only slightly but if the opposite is proven I'm not gonna be mad at it. I just get annoyed when people swear they are right when we all know, they, like everyone else don't know
From what we know so far in the story (this could change) all the evidence we have points to mihawk/ shanks, the only way people think shanks is stronger is either headcanon or they don’t understand the context of mihawks role in the story and his feats/ actions, like he obviously doesn’t scale to vista and crocodile at marineford. It’s not concrete, shanks could very well be stronger but there is nothing indicating that yet
@@ItchymusScratchymus The only thing that is 100% confirmed is that Mihawk's sword skills are greater than Shanks'. That's all, if hypothetically Shanks were to shoot a haki laser beam from his hand that would obv not be factored into the strongest swordsmen title.
@@esmile101 sure if shanks pulled off a ridiculous feat like that and maybe we saw shanks or mihawk actually seen depicted in a serious fight shanks could go above him
Ppl wo talk about Mihawk say that he is a badass how he roams alone around the grandline with his small boat bud literally everyone forgeds that he literally went to the new world alone with his small boat to meet Shanks an emperor he dosn't care he is like the definition of freedom and suffering from success
I've never been a power scaler and I love both characters equally for the most part, but while Mihawk is obviously the better swordsman being called "the world's strongest swordsman" I think Shanks has a better handling on haki all around even though we've barely seen it but hope we see a lot more from these 2 this year
@cy4069 Just the way I see it rn but if Mihawk is stronger overall and can beat Shanks, that's fine by me. It won't hinder my enjoyment of either character.
The greatest swordsman would need the greatest haki? Yk what I mean? There are one in the same, u can’t be a great swordsman’s without haki, and shanks is a swordsman. Also my theory is to get a black blade u need to have a tremendous amount of advanced Kings haki used and many many battles fought to forge a black blade. And Mihawk and the legend ryuma are so far the only characters known to have done that.
@Vorce Demonize When Shanks' mere presence scared away Greenbull, that wasn't the feat of a simple swordsman. By the logic of Mihawk's title making him stronger than Shanks, you could also claim WB was in fact stronger than every other man in the world while sick and dying, despite literally no one actually believing that. His title is the exact same in Japanese as Mihawk's except, instead of 'swordsman', it's just 'man'. Meanwhile, every Mihawk fanboy for some reason thinks Mihawk was stronger than WB, despite his title. It makes no sense to put more weight on the absoluteness of one than another. The fact is, Shanks has the whole world jacking him off and it's no surprise the majority thinks he's stronger than Mihawk. Shanks has always been Luffy's goal of surpassing, while Mihawk has been Zoro's. If Zoro viewed Shanks as a simple swordsman, he would want to defeat him too, just like he wants to fight every other swordsman he runs into. Shanks is a swordsman, but he's also an adept fighter without a sword (in a way Mihawk isn't, as demonstrated by the Greenbull feat). There's simply no world that the ultimate goal of power Luffy wants to reach is lesser than the goal of power Zoro wants to reach. Shanks is just that guy. A normal swordsman doesn't lose their sword arm and then go on to become a Yonko and casually stop wars. The BIGGEST indicator from Oda that Shanks is that guy is that we've never seen him seriously fight anyone, despite us seeing literally every other known top tier in the verse fight. He's not hiding Shanks' power to have him be weaker than Mihawk - someone who, by Mihawk stan's own reasoning, should be weaker than old WB.
@@IlluviumGaming Bro here is the argument - Not anybody in marine knew about wb sickness. Not even anybody except shanks. Do you think kaido would want to fight wb even when he knew wb is on death bed? Surpassing shanks in not luffy's goal surpassing him and his crew by gathering his own crew is his mission. And his true goal is to become pirate king which has nothing to do with shanks. In whole manga, there is not a single panel with zoro and shanks name together. When garp was talking with strawhats zoro was lost. During law and luffy conversation zoro was not there. Greenbull obeyed the orders and every smart human will do that. Two yonko and their crew were there why won't he run away. And shanks didn't do any damage to him. Shanks has a scar and got a hand eaten by sea king. Mihawk is not even touched in entire series. And buggy became a yonko in 2 years after entering grand line. we have never seen mihawk fighting seriously moreover, he has never seen bleeding or shocked in the entire series except in his fight against zoro. There is no indicator from oda which proves shanks>mihawk but there are many indicators in favor for mihawk>shanks.
I went into this video with a bias for Shanks as I like him more as a character. But you made a damn good job with this video and convinced me that Mihawk is stronger. I think the point that sold me was that narratively speaking it would take away from Zoro's character arc if Mihawk is not stronger than Shanks. Great video!
No he doesnt, he could deny the order if he wanted . This was shown when sengoku was surprised when mihawk came and mihawk said he was interested in the war meaning sengoku was expecting him not to come. If he didnt come the govt wont do anything
Obviously Mihawk is the stronger of the two and that should be fairly obvious to anyone paying attention to the story (especially after 1058) But Shanks is more popular so obviously more people will think he’s above him.
I feel like every time we seen Mihawk "fight", he just uses a few "basic abilities" and then gets bored. We have never seen him "pop cooldowns and use a full rotation."
Lol, what makes you think Mihawk is inferior to Shanks in Haki? Where has it ever been stated that Shanks is the Stronger Haki user? Mihawk's being Strongest Swordsman also means that he has a stronger Haki than Shanks.
Everything it's fax and I always agreed on it, but there is one little thing that I can't get out of my mind and will always leave the doubt in me. Shanks it's 199cm tall, mihawk it's 198cm tall. (Same as zoro and king who are 1 cm taller than sanji and queen). I know it's a very stupid thing but I seriously can't get this out of my mind because I know that it's something oda would do to tell us who is stronger.
I have a question regarding your arguments for the portrayal of Mihawk during Marineford. To be clear I also believe Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, so I am not arguing rather just curious of your explanation. In two instances you mention the breath of all things when Mihawk can't cut someone (Jozu and Mr. 1), but what about when Mihawk cuts the iceberg. You say in the video that Mihawk was aiming at Luffy and ends up cutting the Iceberg effortlessly. What about the breath of all things in this moment, if Mihawk was going for Luffy, how come he cut the iceberg? I'm not sure how I would explain it. All in all though, great video. Keep up the good work!
Well, it's probably like this, cutting ice isn't considered that difficult. I mean the only thing that makes Mihawk cutting it impressive is the sheer size of it with nothing but a casual size of it from quite a distance. But Iron and Diamonds are way way harder especially Diamonds. That's why cutting up Mr1 needed a slight focus while curt the ice berg didn't.
@@tsujan3984 yes but the whole point is that with the breath of all things you wont cut that which you dont want to cut, no matter how easy it is for you to cut it. Like with Zoro and the leaves.
@@diaklea Hmmm, maybe it's because Mihawk wanted to cut Luffy but he didn't not want to cut Iceberg. In order to not cut something you probably have to think about not wanting to cut it for things that are relatively easy to cut at least. But Steel and Diamond are very strong materials so Mihawk's simple slash didn't cut them at first but he used "the breath of all things" to then cut Mr.1 Does that make sense? Zoro didn't want to cut the grass so he didn't but Zoro wanted to cut the rock so he cut it very easily while using the breath of all things. However it doesn't mean that if he swings his sharp sword on the grass he won't cut it. Mihawk probably wasn't using breath of all things when he was sending a normal slash that was intercepted by Josu and Mr.1 but when Mr.1 needed to be cut Mihawk used the breath of all things and cut Mr.1 without any effort.
@@tsujan3984 yeah I see what you mean. It makes sense in that way. If you dont want to cut something otherwise very easy for you to cut, you really have to think about it as it takes more skill than simply not cutting iron or diamond.
I would explain it like this: Given that The breath of all things is a ‘breath’/‘voice’, it works like how sound works in the real world ie each breath have thresholds and frequencies. Some sounds are different but of the same threshold/frequency ie a concert can be as loud as a construction drill. This principle being true explains not only why Mihawk cut the iceberg whilst aiming for Luffy but also a lot of AoE phenomena in the story for example When Mr 1 cuts Zoro with the buzzsaws, he slices his chest open but cuts completely through the pillar Zoro was sitting behind. Am I saying Mr 1 was using the BoATs? No, but it explains why he can casually cut through pillars but can’t slice through Zoro; Zoro’s flesh is of a higher frequency. Whenever someone cuts through something, they are either knowingly or unknowingly cutting through the substance with the required amount of force/haki/precision required. Likewise, when Mihawk tries to cut Luffy, since he is a BoATs user, he used the required amount of force/haki/precision needed to not only cut through Luffy but other substances that are either of the same frequency or lower frequency than rubber, like the ice, which is why it was cut. This also explains why Jozu was able to stop his attack aimed for WB.
if this is the case why is nobody talking about the fact that zoro is the one that has to beat shanks as a stepping stool to get to mihawk luffy would probably forbit it but zoro at the beginning of the series said ill join but never stop me on the path of my goal making luffy break that promise and zoro leaving the crew or making luffy step back and watch zoro or shanks die or nearly die
I didn't even start the video yet, but I will say Mihawk top 1 lmao. I genuinely think not having Mihawk at least top 5 and having Shanks above Mihawk are delusional takes. Shanks above Mihawk is just simply lying to yourself and Mihawk not even being top 5 is just like saying "Zoros goal is to be below Luffy and Luffys 4 last major opponents." So to me, there is no debate here, but knowing you, I'm sure this is a comprehensive video explaining all of this in a more informative way than I did here for those people that just can't let go of Shanks being stronger, because they mistake character writing with strenght. They always want their favorites to be stronger. But they don't realize if Mihawk is stronger, NOTHING changes about Shanks, Shanks character remains in tact as we know and love him. BUT if Mihawk is weaker, then Mihawks character becomes a clown, a fake dream Zoro is chasing, a fraud that doesn't deserve his title and an entire world that has been fooled, agreeing to call him the strongest swordsman when he is not. You see the problem here people? Mihawk > Shanks keeps the plot going fine. Shanks > Mihawk invalidates the dream of Luffys right hand and makes the entire world out to be stupid. PS: Shoutout to Roy Newgates video on this topic. Still one of, if not the most goated video on this topic on UA-cam imo. Roy nailed it. Not to discredit this video though, as new information and arguments appeared ever since Roys video anyways, so an update from one of the goats in this community is very welcome. I had a whole section here on the comment on how I believe King to be a swordsman as I would say he is always slightly weaker without a sword than he would be with one. But your arguments have changed my perspective to the sword being just a supplement to Kings style. In the same way an MMA fighter is not a dedicated kickboxer, but uses kickboxing, King is not a dedicated swordsman, but uses a sword. So I deleted that whole paragraph cause you already changed my mind on this lmao. By the way, call me completely crazy for this, I probably deserve it. But the fact that Mihawk is confident in telling Zoro he will await him at the top NO MATTER HOW LONG ZORO TAKES and now Mihawk made an enemy of all of the marines once more tells me that Mihawk is an individual potentially capable, or at least believing he is capable of, beating a Yonko crew/Marines tier force all by himself. At the very least, Mihawk believes that even if a Yonko came after him with all of his might and allies, he would prevail and come out healthy enough to still be above Shanks, the (most likely) second strongest swordsman in the world. That's the kind of person I take Mihawk for. Specifically because Mihawk acknowledged making allies as the strongest power in the seas. Because that means he knows he lacks that strongest thing you can have but he STILL believes he will not be killed and his title won't be taken. I feel bad for people that already liked my comment and now seem like they automatically agree to me basically saying Mihawk > an entire Yonko crew/3 admirals xDDDDD But here's the thing, I will NEVER be convinced that Zoros dream will be made to be stupid by Oda. Zoro is the second most important character in the series after Luffy. So Mihawk cannot be a fraud because that would destroy about 24 years of readers awaiting Zoros dream to culminate in their final duel. If Mihawk believes noone can take him down, then I believe Mihawk. If Mihawk can casually walk into a Yonkos inner circle, insult the Yonko as a one armed has been in front of his crew and not be corrected or even scoffed at by a single person present, then I will assume that Mihawk full well knows that he is correct and that he is NOT threatened in the current situation, because the combined might present there does not make him feel threatened. Obviously him and Shanks are friends as well so he knows they wouldn't just attack him, but there's still also the fact that Shanks nameless subordinates were scared shitless and went to Shanks to warn him as if the entire Marines just pulled up to take down their crew. In the eyes of Shanks own crewmates, Mihawk is a threat to them even when all of Shanks commanders and Shanks himself are gathered in one place. So Shanks own crew believes that Mihawk may possibly take down Shanks, Benn and all the other big names at once while fighting alone. Call me crazy, but at the very least, that is how the fodder in Shanks crew views Mihawk. About Marineford stuff, people vastly misunderstand what Mihawk was even doing in Marineford. He didn't even really try to go for Whitebeard. Sure, his cut was intended for him, but if Mihawk had the goal to actually cut Whitebeard, then he wouldn't have just given up after a single nameless, one handed, effortless attack now would he? Mihawk said he was going to measure "the true distance between us and that man, who seems to be standing right in front of us". What is this true distance? In my opinion, he is refering to the "effort" you have to make to get to Whitebeard. He basically said "WB is literally right in front of us, anyone with ranged attacks can easily reach him, but will it REALLY be that easy?" THAT is the concept he wanted to test in that moment. He wanted to check if it was really as easy to get to WB as the distance would suggest. And Jozu gave him his answer. No. The "true distance" to get to WB was that you need to get through his commanders defending him first. Thus, the actual "effort" associated with bridging that gap is far more than just moving the couple hundred meters WB was standing away from the wall Mihawk was standing on. Later on when testing Luffy, Mihawk literally asked fate what it will do with Luffy. If the worlds strongest swordsman wanted to kill Luffy with all he has, the same man that confidently insults Yonko and declared to Zoro that he will remain at the top no matter how long it takes, a man with THAT HUGE CONFIDENCE, wether you agree with Mihawks confidence or not, would such a confident man really doubt himself and ask fate what it has in store for Luffy? No. Such a confident man would be 100% certain that Luffy is going to die right here, right now. But he was not certain, because he was not going for the kill. That's the only logical explanation. And for Vista, Mihawk was done with his test, as was 100% shown by Mihawks inner monologue about Luffy, Mihawk had his answer about Luffys strenght and fate, so he used Vista to kill some time. That's all there is to it. Vista was the most competent swordsman present, so Mihawk enjoyed himself a bit instead of just crushing random fodders in the war. As you explained perfectly as well, the Mr. 1 situation is perfect, as it proves the point about Jozu blocking the attack not meaning anything lmao. I will give WB some credit btw and mention that Luffy was not just afraid of Mihawk but ALSO when he saw WB tilting the oceans. One can argue he was in awe, not scared. But to me it was both. Luffy felt that he was vastly outclassed in that moment. But when it comes to a personal threat, yes, Mihawk was the ONLY obstacle that made Luffy retreat on his own. Even for the three admirals, Luffy stormed in head first because every notion of cautiousness was thrown out the window, with Aces life on the line. And yet Mihawk was able to instill a fear in Luffy that made him stay back, when his brother was on the line. And yeah, Mihawk is 100% afraid of Shanks, that's why he went into his base and called him a weak bitch infront of all of his commanders and crew, surely makes sense that he would be terrified of Shanks' wrath :^) Lastly, the subtitles have some minor typos here and there, which isn't a big deal at all, but one made me laugh. 33:34 "In what world is Mihawk afraid of SHARKS?" xDD Amazing video as always brother, a really really good one imo. The edits are nice, the points are.. on point lol. I even learned smth new as a Mihawk stan, something I never even considered as it isn't worth arguing. Brannew comparing Mihawk to Shanks swordskill meaning that Shanks swordskill is THE MOST NOTEWORTHY thing about Shanks combat style. I never thought about this implication, as I never think about Shanks not being a swordsman, as I don't have an IQ below 20 👀 Anyways, good content brother, keep up the good work, your subscribers are steadily rising and you definitely deserve it. You are honestly a breath of fresh air and unbiased rationality in the OP community where what seems like 95% of creators are pandering to the loud toxic fans to avoid any sort of controversy instead of actually sticking to logic. So I believe you are one of the content creators that actually enriches the community FAR MORE than even some of the most popular among all OPTubers, simply because your integrity is frankly very rare in this community. Keep up the work. Integrity and hard work will be rewarded without fail.
@@bubbachildsupport4535 Me and Fiji are buddies so I always like to talk about all the shit that pops to mind in the videos lmao. We often talk about those points too. But honestly, I generally talk a lot anyways xDD
I read the whole thing and yes the later part does sound crazy and it probably is tbh but it's not as crazy as people saying Shanks is not a Swordsman, lol. Mihawk has confidence to beat any swordsman in 1 on 1 and strong and smart enough not to get caught up in a situation where he would be in danger and is capable of getting out of it if he ever finds himself in one. Great comment btw.
@@tsujan3984 Thanks, appreciate when people actually read my long ass stuff, as you can imagine most replies I get are just "man wrote a novel" or "too long didn't read" and I'm just like "Then don't reply and spamm my notifications! It's fine not to read, but then be quiet lmao" Anyways, yeah, I understand I'm most likely being crazy with the later part. But at the very least I believe that Mihawk is confident enough to walk in on an entire Yonko crew and somehow still get out of there safely. It may even be a Katakuri type deal, because Mihawks definining feature, his eyes, and his original epithet "clairvoyant" which describes someone that is able to perceive events everywhere and even in the future, heavily hints that Mihawks observation haki is out of this world. So he may just be confident to get out of any sticky situation with ease, or he may be able to know minutes in advance if someone tries to attack him, so he KNOWS he can walk into here and he won't be attacked, since he's seeing pretty far into the future? That's a possibility that doesn't mean Mihawk can 3v1 the admirals lmao, so this is probably more reasonable right? xD Also, remember how Mihawk knew that something about the warlords was being discussed in the Reverie BEFORE the newspaper about that dropped? Before the Kings even made the decision yet, it was just being discussed. I see a lot of people telling me he just read it in the newspaper, but we canonically know that's not true. He was reading about Moria in the News and the Reverie stuff wasn't published until the warlords were already being attacked. Anways, my take on this is two options. 1: Mihawk has an informant in the WG. 2: Mihawks observation is so stupid, he listened in on the Reverie from his home. Like how Shanks directed his advanced conquerers to hit Greenbull all the way up on Wano, Mihawk may be able to direct his observation in one specific direction only, losing the 360 degree observation but gaining a lot of range. This is obviously just speculation tho
Don’t take vivre cards at canon. Zoro who not only has conquerors but advanced conquerors as well, isn’t listed as one on the vivre cards. Vivre cards won’t say he has it until it’s confirmed in the actual story.
to say that shanks is a haki man and is stronger than mihawk is like saying that "the worlds strongest boxer" is not as strong as another boxer who is has better technique than him
I agree on that you need political power to be a Yonko, in general you need power+ lands+ army/alliance. Buggy has all of these, and yes he’s an exception because he didn’t get that because of his physical strength, but with luck and intelligence. And honestly, comparing the old Yonkos with new one is a joke. They literally needed armies and plot armor to defeat big mom and Kaido
plot armor doesnt exist. its a made up thing. people win fights in manga because the author said so. thats the whole goddamn point. the author is trying to tell a planned out story, not run a simulation, especially that everything that conveniently saves or helps characters in One Piece is pretty much never a Deus Ex Machina. It's always a firing of chekhov's gun. The seeds for that situation were always planted potentially even chapters ahead of time, even volumes. When Merry came to Enies Lobby to save the Straw Hats, that wasn't just "plot armor", it was already well established by Oda all the way back in Skypiea that she is sentient. He had loaded the gun then and fired it in Enies Lobby as a believable, convenient, but believable solution to the situation our heroes found themselves in, and that's just one example.
The breath of all thing argument seems fine until the point where the iceberg was cut when the original and actual intended target is luffy. Well unless the durability of that big iceberg is lower then luffy of course 💀
@@beepboop4833 Also KOL downplaying garp hahaha and got roasted 🤣🤣🤣 after the recent chapter. How the f a man with a title of WSS+Blackblade cant even beat younger shanks nor inflict a single scar hahahah 🤣 .
@@Wu_bandz So is Shanks, even if he got some feats here and there in the recent chapters. Mihawk can't be featless because he has shown some feats in Marineford.
The thing is Mihawk didn’t have the title most likely around rogers time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mihawk did indeed surpass roger in terms of the blade. Oda is still keeping us in the dark on his true power. He casually cuts ships and island sized icebergs so he’s gonna be crazy. His yoru is probably the strongest blade ever aswell in existence till zoro surpasses him
Im sorry but there are too many contradictory statements in your marineford defence. You say, Mihawk only uses nevessary force, next you show him cutting the huge glacier with a hit he intended for luffy. You reference the breath of all things… only to not explain why a cut meant for rubber cut ice. The rest of the video is near perfection but these defences sound like cope.
The fan debates surrounding this battle is ultimately reflective of how poorly Oda has flashed out the concept of swordsmanship in the One Piece world. No one but Zoro and Mihawk seem to care about 'true swordsmanship'. Furthermore, Oda has a history of lying to us with titles as seen with White Beard and Kaido, so it is not unreasonable to doubt the legitimacy of Mihawk's title. Logically, yes, Mihawk should be stronger, but Shanks is Oda's golden boy and Luffy's dream is supposed to be more difficult than Zoro's dream. If Zoro beats Mihawk, he would be stronger than Luffy, which cannot happen. Also as a bonus, Shanks in 1cm taller than Mihawk, which is the same height difference Zoro has with Sanji and King has with Queen. Mihawk should be stronger logically, but narrative signs are pointing to Shanks being the better one, and the ambiguity in fan discussion is ultimately a reflection of Oda's poor writing regarding the topic.
While I appreciate the effort you put on the video and you geniuenly made me reconsider some lf Mihawk's moments in the series, I still can't find a single way in which this is possible. I agree that we shouldn't just base our power scaling on titles or bounties. But the Yonko (except for Buggy, I'll give you that) have proven to be a different kind of beast. Shirohige used to be one of the strongest in history and was really old in Marineford. Kurohige has had little time to expwriment with his fruits but he still has been proven to be a top tier currently. I think I don't need to bring uo Big Mom or Kaido as to their power. What I'm trying to say is that to be a Yonko one must have strenght to withold that power. In a lawless land like the New World, only the strongest rule. In the case of Buggy, he has Mihawk, which would fit that category. I personally find Shanks to be #1 in the verse, only Kaido being relative to him and Big Mom an extremely diff fight while Mihawk is between #4-#8 allong Akainu or Dragon. We just don't know that much about the "top tiers"except for the Yonko. What I'm trying to say is that while there is no doubt that Mihawk is a powerhouse and the **best swordsman in the world**, we can't ignore the fact that one can be strong without being a swordsman. You bring a good point: Shanks in terms of fighting skills with a sword was #2 and relative to Mihawk in tha past. But how can we know about Shanks fighting style? Maybe he isn't just a top tier swordsman, but a master of haki and some other wonky abilities or skills or something. Maybe those duels where, in fact, just duels where Shanks had to restrain himself to only ose his sword and Haki with it. How can we know that Shanks' power is throwing conqueror's haki lighting on top of people's head? He wouldn't be able tl do that in a duel. Maybe he's profficirnt with his sword but it acts mainly as a conductor more like a buff to his haki or something like that. As you said, it's heavily implied that Mihawk has top tier obervation, armament and mosy likely really good conquerors. Shanks might have a bit less observation, about the same armament but far superior conquerors. Ffs, in Film Red (spoilers), he could straight up negate lther's haki. Shanks might just be a fighter that bases his skills on ther things such as haki or hax like those. In those clashes with Mihawk, he wouldn't have been able to do so to "respect" the traditions lf a duel. Mayne Shanks is just that haki cracked. At leat he's shown some feats, we just don't know anything about Mihawk to know yet. If we add things like plot and narrative implications, it's clear that Shanks would be overall stronger than Mihawk. Also: I have sone issues with your argument about the fan image at the beggining. The fact that prominent sowrdsmen (like the 9 Scabbards which are top tier swordsmen) are missing and it's just fanart makes it a pretty weak argument to be honest. Also, Kaku currntly hasn't even taken a sword to Egghead, meaning his forte is kicking much like Sanji. Maybe Shanks is like that: he's good with his sword but also can kick and has other stupid skills that make him broken. Edit: also why wouldn't the Navy simply say that Mihawk is "stronger than Shanks" instead of having "better sword skills"??
I hoped you don't mind me breaking down a few things from your argument. First off, I don't understand why you can't see Mihawk being superior when the video clarifies perfectly what it takes to be a Younko yes a certain level of strength is necessary but it's mostly political and influence based and Buggy isn't an exception to the rules because the power Buggy himself is missing is covered by Mihawk now. Because Younko's strength isn't individual but crew based. Plus the reason why Oda stated Skill is because that's what he says to power based hierarchy, which is also shown in the video where multiple characters have referred to skills as strength. And for your next point, you say we don't know what else Shanks can do maybe he can do this or maybe he can do that but the same can be said about Mihawk we don't know how powerful his ACoC is it could be stronger than Shanks. Point is where the story is now the only definite thing we know about Shanks and Mihawk is that Shanks and Mihawk used to duel many times and Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman. Why make up a non-existing power for Shanks just to have him above Mihawk? What does the Story gain from having Shanks above Mihawk which would only shallow the importance and impact of the title. If we go back and look White Beard who was a Younko was a World's Strongest Man, Kaido was World's Strongest Creature and Mihawk is World Strongest Swordsman. The title of the strongest is given to those who are the strongest. And Mihawk's and Shanks' duel was referred to as a Legendary duel by White Beard himself. Why would a Man like White Beard gas up a mid tier duel. Haki itself isn't a special power that is exclusive to an individual. Haki can be trained and developed and honed through battles and it can grow but it's something anyone can do. The same thing applies to ACoC with a small exception of having to have CoC, any one that has CoC can learn to use it and grow it. Now you said we don't know if Shanks is a Swordsman but we do. Every time we have seen him Shanks has always used his swords in any type of combative situation. He used to have *duels* with Mihawk and Shanks is considered a Rival to Mihawk. Unless in the future Oda explicitly shows or explains how Shanks isn't a Swordsman saying otherwise is just plain lying. "You said If we add things like Plot and narrative implications" but that's why the video is doing. There is nothing in the Plot or narrative for Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk and everything is in Mihawk's favour. Just simplifying each of them in 1 point for Plot we know Zoro wants to be the World's Strongest Swordsman hence why diminishing the value of the title goes against the plot and for Narrative we know Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman who has better "Sword Skill" than Shanks, the narrative literally is saying that Mihawk is above Shanks. Even if you don't wanna accept that Skill is referring to their strength you can't deny that there has never been a point in the story where Shanks is stated to be better than Mihawk in anything. Everything you mentioned was clearly addressed in the video and you don't have a valid argument against any of them except not wanting to accept things at face value and hoping for a non existing powers and fighting style for a guy who has always fought with a Sword.
@@tsujan3984 In regards with your 1st point, I addressed it already. And consider that Mihawk fits the "strenght" that the Yonko needs, he is being shown as a top tier with yonkou potential. 2. Why should we consider that his haki is stronger? I mean, it could hapoen. But also the Gorosei could be yonkou level. Or Imu could be transgender. Or Dragon could be weak af. We just don't know. What we **do** know is that Shanks has shown clear feats that separates him from everybody else hakiwhise, literally everyone else that is not Shanks didn't show something like this. In regards to the point about "another power", apart from hax (which would be totally valid), what I meant is skills in other areas. Say Sanji's kicks or Jimbei's fishman karate. They are character with distinct fighting styles with abilities that are augmented by haki. Just saying Shanks could be, and most likely is, more than just a swordsman, different from Mihawk. 3. The duels. I'm not saying that those duels had no impact, stakes or were legendary. I'm saying that Shanks either was weaker than Mihawk at that point or, as I like to believe, he was holding back because his fighting style is broader in some way. We are talking about top tiers here, I'm sure that if idk Kaido fought Ryuma with a sword despite him not being a swordsman, that could be legendary because both are strong af. 4. I correct myself, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I meamt that Shanks isn't just a swordsman or used his sword in some way in which could be argued that is an added benefit, not the point of his fighting style.
@@tsujan3984 Finally, if it were that simple, the navy would flat out say that Mihawk is "stronger than Shanks" or something else. They specifically were meticulous in their wording, meaning that he is only confirmed to be better using his sword, which is completely possible and I believe it so. They didn't mention haki, speed, strength, anything else. It's true one needs haki to perform in the top tiers, but we don't know how much Mihawk has. And if we believe Shank's mastery to be haki, as the story suggest thus far, why didn't they mention that aspect in that chapter if that is supposed to be his strongest part? It was very precise wording. And in regards of narrative we can have a whole discussion later if you want to
@@lautaroferrer2858 Lol, for the 2nd point you are making the exact point I'm making except yours isn't based on anything substantial. Mihawk could have stronger Haki than Shanks and probably does because he is "More Skilled" use of Haki is also a skill btw. Mihawk is the only living character that has created a black which is very highly likely based on Haki considering that coating a Haki temporarily creates a black blade, Mihawk is known as Hawk Eyes and Oda was considering to give him epithet of clairvoyant so you know he has one of the best CoO and he is the only living character that has achieved his dream/goals. He had kingly ambitions and he became the King. He IS the World's Strongest Swordsman who is "More Skilled" than Shanks so why would it be farfetched to say he has superior ACoC? But if we reverse it what does Shanks have against Mihawk. Was there any point in time that Shanks was considered better than Mihawk in anything? Shanks being stronger than Mihawk requires a wishful thinking of a fan for a special power for Shanks that isn't related to Swordsmanship. So, you are completely contradicting yourself at the same point. And when you consider oh maybe Shanks didn't have a certain power or maybe he was weaker again plays with the concept of wishing that was the case. When White Beard himself used to fight with Rogger who knows what legendary means called the duel Legendary. Why would he hype up a duel between low level people? That just completely ignores White Beards ability to judge quality fights.
I think Mihawk is overall stronger, but with Shank's it feels more like a case of perfect counter, since it's a little too much of a coincidence that someone known as "the clairvoyant" has his rival be "the observation killer", so similar to Luffy vs Enel, and maybe during their younger rivaling years, Shanks and Mihawk had a perfect matchup, where Shanks wasn't quite as good as a swordsman, but his observation killing gave him an edge that could actually push Mihawk. the deal also with zoro is how Zoro is not as good with observation, which means that the expectation for zoro is to surpass Mihawk with pretty much raw strenght and technique
bro your right because he's the strongest SWORDSMAN that means he's the STRONGEST CHARACTER! Bro he's chopping up Kaido, he's chopping up Whitebeard (he's the world strongest kabob now), and he's COOKING ALL THE ADMIRALS with one hand! I understand why Kaido didn't acknowledge Mihawk... it's cause he surpasses ROGER himself I know why BOTH Akainu and the Gorgesi only freaks out when shanks moves and not Mihawk... it's cause DRACULA D.!!!! Is too strong! Emu is shivering in his boots!!!! Joy boy is waiting for Mihawk to move!!!
This is an important thing many people can't accept. Power does not necessarily make a good character. Shanks being weaker in combat does not make him a worse character than Mihawk in any relevant way at all. But most shonen readers/watchers honestly just think on the level of "This is my favorite character, so I want him to be the strongest." In a way, a lot of Shanksfans REDUCE Shanks meaningful character traits by that. I mean, just look at chapter one. We quickly learned that Shanks is the type of man to sacrifice himself for the younger generation happily. If him losing his arm didn't heavily nerf him, then his sacrifice would be meaningless. So Shanksfans arguing that Shanks, who rivaled Mihawk closely BEFORE LOSING HIS ARM is somehow above Mihawk nwo that he is crippled, losing his PRIMARY ARM because Shanks was left handed, they are literally devaluing Shanks determination to sacrifice his own potential to save Luffys future potential. So to me, people that argue Shanks > Mihawk aren't even real Shanks fans. Because they don't understand how significant Shanks sacrifice is to why we like him and why it is important to his character that he actually gave up his own maximum potential back then. Anyways, my point is, accepting that Mihawk may be stronger and you still like Shanks more makes you smarter than most vocal Shanksfans online are honestly.
@@TheRanOfGod Exactly, Shanks can go in soooo many directions honestly, it could be crazy. Mihawk I think has less options, pretty much none, he will always be the stoic "suffering from success" type, but we may explore that aspect further, thus building his character further as we better understand his inner struggle with never finding a challenge anymore. And also, if you didn't know, in the Perona novel, which is canon, we get some info on what happens in the timeskip where Perona and Zoro live with Mihawk. And Mihawk planted a Cocoa tree because that's Peronas favorite foodstuff and he kept it a secret because he wanted to surprise her q.q Mihawk has a soft core, at least for Perona lol.
Idk man. All your arguments were very good (you made one mistake bc you said Mihawl and Ryuma were the only ones who had black blades but Oden and now Zoro did too). For me i personally put Shanks above everyone in the verse atm. My top ten list in the end of all of one piece is 1. Black Beard 2. Imu 3. Luffy 4. Akainu 5. Shanks 6. Rocks 7. Dragon 8. Roger 9. Garp 10. WB And btw top 1 wouldn't beat anyone here easily. Every fight here is extreme diff, even 10vs1 is extreme diff. I realize that this lost is very very biased but that's just my thoughts. The thing is in the end Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk and I just don't see Zoro being stronger than Shanks I'm sorry. It would be a difficult fight for Shanks but i just can't put endgame Zoro, therefore also Mihawk above Shanks. My only argument would be that Shanks wasn't in his prime when he fought Mihawk but as I said i can't really argue against any of your points but my personal bias just doesn't let me believe that Zoro could beat Shanks in the end so idk. If it is ever revealed that Mohawk is indeed stronger, I'll go back to this comment and reply "🤡" to myself but for now nothing can convince me
What? I respect your opinion even if I disagree but the thing you pointed out where Oden and Zoro having Black Blade is completely wrong. Oden never had a Black Blade that was made very clear in the beginning of Wano where 'the dude' said not even Oden as strong as he was, was not able to forge a Black Blade, so now it's up to Zoro to make Enma Black Blade by the end. And the sword that Zoro had Susui was forged by Ryuma and not Zoro. Getting your hands on a Black Blade isn't a feat making one is. Which means Mihawk and Ryuma are the only two known characters in OP to have been able to do that. Oden couldn't and Zoro hasn't yet.
You can’t even state the level of Hawkeyes conquerors versus what we seen from red hair that’s the sad part about this whole video as well. You can’t even state why he could not stop or why crocodile halted him. Hawkeye is under the admirals. They see him red dog made the same statement to one of the warlords their dogs to the military.
nobody knows because there isn't enough information on either side. Regardless of your opinion, there just simply is next to no evidence and anything beyond what we know rn is a massive leap in logic. Nobody can say they know better because we aren't Oda. And nobody is going to know until he reveals it so tbh I don't know why anyone is even talking about it. Power scaling doesn't work in One Piece because One Piece isn't about the fights like it is with DBZ. The fights are more like a character study rather than an actual test of skills so people are already framing this argument wrong to begin with. Argue all you like but you aren't the author and just because you feel strongly enough about it, it doesn't matter because fights are about character development and plot development. If Oda wants to he could make them completely even or hell they could both die before they are ever shown their skills in comparison to each other just to piss off power scalers. Just wait to see like everyone else because you are never going to actually guess it because its not like a real fight of skill.
I think if its life or death Shanks wins ez. I mean he has a whole as crew of strong pirates to jump the guy with. Thats why he is stronger because every 1v1 becomes ez if you go 10+ v 1. Mihawk has no shot of defeating Shanks plus crew and thats the only reason Shanks is stronger.
I think Mihawk is stronger but wasn’t when shanks had his arm. I think this is why he’s so lonely and hurt. He had a rival who pushed him and he lost that rival because the rival chose someone else. It could add a lot more meaning to Mihawk as a character and what he wants to do.
I think they would have to have been relative to each other, if Mihawk had been unarguably weaker and lost the duels he would not have gotten his title
Very good arguments however shanks is said to cancel our observation haki and is speculated to have the strongest conquerors haki in the world, two things that are hard counters to Mihawk. I believe Mihawk is the stronger swordsman but I don’t think he’s the overall stronger pirate. Lastly, I don’t think shanks being a bit stronger than mihawk in no way diminishes zoro’s goal.
@@abeldnite it’s really not when the author has him using a sword in every panel he even has a data book saying it I mean how can you argue with oda I don’t get it
Im sorry but there are too many contradictory statements in your marineford defence. You say, Mihawk only uses nevessary force, next you show him cutting the huge glacier with a hit he intended for luffy. You reference the breath of all things… only to not explain why a cut meant for rubber cut ice. The rest of the video is near perfection but these defences sound like cope.
you think this is bad? wait for the end of the series. Zoro vs Law is going to break the internet💀 "law is not a swordsman" will start trending globally just wait for it
Why would ODA ever introduce the concept of Mihawk vs shanks , if later just to say that shanks is not a swordsman.... Shanks is the only Rival of Mihawk that we know of ofcourse he is a swordsman ....
Ppl just hate the fact that someone could be stronger than Shanks, since his potrail has been unparallaled for the whole story, but at the end of the day Shanks will be surpassed by Luffy and Zoro will surpass Mihawk, does it really matter if Shanks is weaker, and he's probably still very close to mihawk even with just one arm, Mihawk just has to be the strongest tho otherwise Zoro's dream is a scam.
Yes, like...oda is literally telling you that shanks is an swordman by doing a rivalry with mihawk. Otherwise mihawk wouldnt even be fighting him. Is just that simple but people wanna cope and not take oda serious.
I had always thought either shanks = mihawk or mihawk was above shanks cause so far in the story nothing implies that shanks is superior to mihawk in terms of strength. I wonder though is mihawk more or less powerful than old whitebeard because he was still considered the worlds strongest man before his death
@@victordurand3000 You do realize Mihawk’s Entire dream is to loose right? Also oda said in a deta book Mihawk can tell the opponent’s strength Raleigh is also able to do the same thing. Mihawk literally looked at current day Shanks and thought he was not worth fighting anymore
@@victordurand3000Mihawk already fought a legendary battle with Shanks. Not to mention he already pulled up on Shanks before. He also chased down Don Krieg because he was bored. Pulled up to Marineford presumably because he was bored. He’s honestly taken every chance to be in a fight that he can up to this point. Why would he be dodging Shanks?
@@saidbachlil2612 Except for the simple fact that Ben Beckmann could beat mihawk. There’s a true difference between being a “rival” and actually being able to injure shanks which only one person has and that’s Blackbeard Kid and Law are “rivals” to Luffy but are they even close to him in strength? Obvious the fk not
What’s interesting is that people claim shanks got stronger after he fought mihawk, which could be true or not but couldn’t mihawk have also gotten stronger in the same period of time
Not here to argue who’s stronger. There are hints that Shanks got stronger overtime based on feats and statements like becoming a Yonko or only having a billion berry back then comparable to commnders. Sure, both of those doesn’t automatically signify their power level, but it can be a factor. Plus, superior haki and combat feats are seen more with one arm Shanks vs two arm. Not to mention Oda’s statement about losing an or NOT making him weaker.
I don’t think it should be an argument as to who’s stronger until it’s stated that shanks is no longer a swordsman. I don’t see any reason to doubt Mihawks title and zoros ambition demands that mihawk is truly that guy. Shanks fans can never give proper arguments as we haven’t seen or heard enough about shanks to say he’s stronger than the literal strongest swordsman
The swordsman argument doesn’t matter considering that Mihawk doesn’t think of handicapped people as worthy of challenging him for the title. Coming from the same guy who accepted a far weaker pre-ts Zoro’s challenge.
@@mstr293 zoro was younger and he liked his determination. That's why he accepted the challenge, just to show him the gap between him and his dream as world strongest swordsman
@@mstr293 Yes there’s is a difference between being challenged by a weak healthy person and a strong injured person he doesn’t want to fight a handicap that has nothing to do with power
This is the best breakdown of mihawk vs shanks ... but sadly no matter how clear it is people will still use their Headcanon and act like its canon. Ignoring canon info for the sake of agenda ... So far in the story all canon info indicates Mihawk > Shanks but not a single canon info that indicates Shanks > Mihawk!
Canon info will also point out to you that mihawk stopped fighting shanks when luffy was a kid the moment shanks lost his arm. 5 years after that he became a yonko at this point in the story shanks has been a yonko for around 8 years and compared to the top tiers, while everytime they give props to mihawk they mention shanks.
@@Dave_of_Mordor more than half the time shanks is hyped up by other characters they bring up how he fought shanks. They don't bring up mihawk much at all when shanks is on screen.
This is my problem with the Mihawk and Shanks debate. The leaps in logic Shanks' stans use are genuinely crazy. To avoid admitting Shanks is weaker, they use giant leaps in logic, such as haki is its own fighting style, despite haki being a supplementary power source. A supplemental power source every top-tier swordsman already uses. So somehow, Shanks uses a power that all of his contemporaries use, but that is enough to separate himself and not them? Meanwhile, swordsmen like Fujitora and Law, who both use unique abilities, and their blades, being used almost exclusively as conduits for their abilities, are still swordsmen, but Shanks is not? All because he uses a power everyone else does? That doesn't make sense. This logic seeps into other debates involving Shanks. His stans also refuse to accept that Kaido is superior despite the manga repeatedly highlighting Kaido's individual strength time and time again. In a straight-up fight, the narrator says to bet on Kaido; or Kaido himself is flat-out called the strongest pirate by Killer (LOOK AT AUTHOR'S INTENT). And the multiple external pieces of information crowning Kaido as the mightiest. The Mihawk vs Shanks debate is tiring because one side refuses to admit they're more leaps in logic to crown their Shanks as superior. A Mihawk vs Shanks debate is really Mihawk's strength vs Shanks' popularity.
Something on the Kaido being superior it's that Shanks and Kaido haven't fought eachother all out seriously as far as we know. Also although Killer says he's the strongest pirate he atp still has yet to go up against Blackbeard, Shanks and Bigmom himslmelf. Kid fought a BM commander, they didn't even get to see Shanks when Kid lost his arm and they've never seen Blackbeard or his crew ever I don't even think they've spoken
@@itssome_gent1311 Please refer to what I put in the brackets. We know Killer hasn't fought other Yonko, but why would Oda put this statement here if it meant nothing. The intent is obvious.
He could've put it there to show what Killer and some other people may think but it doesn't mean he is the strongest just that in Killers head and experience he is the strongest not to mention he could just be refering to Kaido being one of the strongest not THE strongest. It's the same as Crocodile saying Akainu is the strongest around w/o ever seeing any other string people fight.
I'll be honest Shanks portrayal has been exponentially better than Mihawks and his Marineford performance was pretty poor but justified. However it is clear Mihawk is stronger and the recent reveal of his bounty plus the mention of Shanks in that announcement is literally full confirmation. I think it is extremely close but Mihawk wins every time. Oda does need to show us some Mihawk 1v1 feats and better portrayal however so I can see why people aren't so hyped about him. He hasn't done shit apart from be the worlds greatest swordsman which is enough but not enough at the same time.
but what do you want mihawk to do exactly? his only role in the story is to be zoro's "final boss". what more is he supposed to do? he isn't after one piece, he has no friends, and no other interests besides fighting shanks level opponents and drinking wine. shanks on the other hand had to be active because he is responsible for creating the future pirate king and he is after one piece, so of course oda is writing him in more. however this is not an excuse to say that shanks is better than mihawk. it is the fans job to properly analyze and use our critical thinking skills to determine who is the strongest, and it not even that hard to figure out who. it should only take you 3 sec to know who it is if you have been paying attention and not just skimp through the manga looking for fights. you guys are acting like it's a calculus problem.
@@Dave_of_Mordor He needs to actually have feats for Zoros win to be credible or for anyone to care. Oda fumbled big time by not having more characters vying for the WSS.
So, to summarize your video Shanks didn't get stronger in the last 12 years and even if he did, he is still weaker compared to Mihawk since he is a swordsman.
Why Mihawk beats Shanks. No this isn't a post based on the lore implications that Mihawk would beat Shanks considering they are both swordsmen yet Mihawk holds the title of the world's strongest swordsman. No this is taking a deeper look into all discernable information and feats they've both shown (maybe just a little lore will be used, we'll see) So both of these characters have shown the debatably longest range of each type of Haki: • Mihawk- Used Armament haki internal destruction to cut the frozen tidal wave/tsunami at Marineford • Shanks- Used Conquerors haki infusion to scare Greenbull across Wano • Side note- Enel showed the furthest range of observation haki (although his was amped by his devil fruit more than just the mastery itself) Now, why does Mihawk beat Shanks? To put simply... stamina; Shanks has to use to much Haki to keep up with Mihawk that he could never last long enough. Take for instance, when it comes to power, Mihawk is able to deal stronger attacks without effort, as his "world's strongest slash" he sent across Marineford to "test" Whitebeard did not use emission or internal destruction. We know this because of the difference between the slashes. When he cut the frozen tsunami, there wasn't a flying compressed air flash, the slash was more or less invisible, the cut appeared on the ice and gradually traveled through it before cutting it. However, the world's strongest slash sent a compressed air slash that even Zoro was able to preform at a lesser degree since Skypiea against Ohm. So casually Mihawk can attack at that level casually without utilizing higher forms of haki. Shanks on the other hand, has only shown that level of power with infusion when he clashed with whitebeard. We know he was using infusion because the clouds split, exactly how Oda has always shown Conquerors haki at a Supreme level clashing. Conquorer's haki and Infusion uses more stamina than Armament haki and internal destruction. While Infusion would most likely be stronger than Mihawk's base armament haki, Mihawk can then step it up and close that gap with ID, which is contextually more dangerous than infusion which just increases attack power, while ID ignores and bypasses defense all together. Shanks would then need to use armament imbuement haki to then close the gap and keep up, however Shanks would be using way to many forms of haki as buffs: • Infusion just to close the gap and most likely surpass Mihawk's base that is stronger let alone that Mihawk's sword is of a higher grade than Shank's and subsequently stronger itself • Armament to close the gap of Mihawk's internal destruction • More infusion to prevent Mihawk's internal destruction from reaching him • More conquorer's haki to cancel out Mihawk's observation Versus Mihawk, who's blade is permanently black, therefore does not need to use any stamina to use Armament haki and either none or a negligible amount of stamina to utilize emission and/or internal destruction. Even if we assume with all that, Shanks is temporarily stronger. Shank's only win condition is if he can finish the fight quickly, which, there's no evidence suggesting the power gap would be large enough to do so, nor Mihawk lacking in stamina for extended durations.
So how do you feel about Kaido's statement that haki transcends all because to me that means the world's greatest swordsman is better with the sword but can still lose to a haki master that happens to use a sword.
@@Chaosking707 strongest swordsman doesn't mean you are the strongest person ever. Also, strongest includes both power and skill in the potential duel. It doesn't have to be an even distribution of both, one can be more skillful than the power they can generate and vice versa. Whatever allows them to win in a fight against someone else whom also uses a sword. So let's say in the instance someone like whitebeard decides to pick up a sword, while he might be able to generate the most power, he doesn't have the skill with a sword specifically to beat mihawk. Tashigi might (not saying she does) have better swordplay than mihawk, but would still lose due to the gap in power and speed. Hakuba might be faster, but mihawk is fast enough and has good enough reaction to keep up that that advantage wouldn't be enough to be a deciding factor but Mihawk's superior strength would secure him the victory.
@@Chaosking707 If haki "is all" as you say, doesnt it mean that to become the worlds strongest swordsman you need the strongest haki... If Shanks had stronger haki than Mihawk, Shanks would be the strongest, not Mihawk. But thats not the case, so Mihawk has stronger haki.
A power battle doesn't work in the same way a swordmanship battle does. I think Shanks gets hard countered by Mihawk, but Shanks should perform better than Mihawk against devil fruit users. Like, a much weaker Blackbeard scarred Shanks with an edged weapon, and a freaking sea monster took his arm, those things would never happen to Mihawk.
Great video. It’s crazy that people still think Shanks is superior to Mihawk. Brannew specifically states Mihawk is superior to Shanks. “With greater sword skill than even red hair the emperor. As the strongest swordsman he is worth 3.59 billion berries.” Like that’s so easy to understand.
As someone who isn’t really all too much into Powerscaling you brought up good points. I still think they’re close but it would definitely make more sense for Mihawk to be sttonger than Shanks for the story and Zoros dream. Great video!
Not really! The argument of Zoro having to go after Shanks really doesn’t hold up as Mihawk himself doesn’t consider handicapped people as worthy of the WSS title. Zoro and other strict swordsmen would most likely share similar sentiments. Based on Kuina’s story, it seems the same is true for swordswomen.
A better way to defend Jozy blocking Mihawks attack is that Mihawk was just testing White beard. He wanted to see if the old legend still had it and had no interest in actually stopping the war. That's why Mihawk sends a one handed half assed attack that wasn't even named to see what White beard would do. Jozu ended up blocking it but the struggled quite a lot.
1. I don't doubt that Shanks is a swordsman, or that swordsmanship is a significant enough aspect of his style to be a swordsman. But there's no reason why Mihawk can't be stronger at swordsmanship than Shanks or any other swordsmen, while Shanks is still stronger as an overall combatant because of his use of other combat skills besides swordsmanship. Zoro being a superior and stronger at swordsmanship does not in any way contradict the notion that Shanks could be a more powerful overall combatant. 2. Hakiman - I would not refer to it as hakiman personally. But Shanks has simply, up to this point, shown far superior haki to Mihawk. It's not even close. Shanks has shown the ability to see 10+ seconds into the future, something that blows away even the best future sight we've seen from various other characters. There's no question Mihawk will excel at haki as well, but we can't just automatically assume he will have that level of haki. Shanks' relaxed haki had Jozu groaning, the same Jozu who stood up to Mihawk at marineford, and whose inferior also stood up to Mihawk in the same war. There was no reaction towards Mihawk's haki from either Jozu or Vista. I agree that haki is a big part of any fighter in One Piece. But Shanks takes it far beyond the normal concept of usage. Mihawk having excellent observation haki would hardly be surprising. Mihawk having king's haki would hardly be surprising. But this doesn't in any way make it likely that he will be on par with Shanks in haki. 3. Strength vs. skill. Really, all your argument here suggests is that sometimes, the Manga uses the word skill to describe strength. Both strength and skill are words that can and often are used to mean multiple different things. It doesn't mean every time you say strength, you mean physical strength. It doesn't mean every time you say strength, you mean overall power. It doesn't mean every time you say skill, you mean a specific skill a character has. It doesn't mean every time you say skill, you mean strength. But what Shanks > Mihawk fans are talking about when they say skill, is a specific skill, and that is a mastery of swordsmanship style, techniques, footwork and all the things that commonly go into specific swordsmanship mastery. Similarly, even in our world, we often use the word strength when really we're talking about a specific skill or attribute. 'He's a strong hitter' in baseball is very commonly used when talking about the skill a player has with the bat. It is also commonly used when talking about a power hitter. It can be used for both. 4. I don't really see how you effectively countered the Jozu and Vista points. You said if Mihawk could have defeated Jozu in that slash, he would have. But this doesn't make any sense. Mihawk intentionally sent this slash to Whitebeard with the intention of measuring how they compare. It may have not been his absolute most powerful technique, but characterizing it as effortless for him is also a stretch when Mihawk himself intended to use it as a measure of how he compares to Whitebeard. The main thing here, is that Shanks one shotted Eustass and Killer at the same time. Even if Jozu is tougher defensively, Eustass is an entirely different level stronger than Jozu. And Jozu didn't only block this because of his durability. He is specifically shown using his arms to deflect the blast. For Vista, you involve quite a bit of speculation here. You say he was holding back - this was literally never stated and just minutes before that said he wasn't going to hold back in going after Luffy. Vista is his obstacle in doing so. You even say Mihawk effortlessly held Vista at bay. Okay, but why did Vista not effortlessly keep Mihawk at bay in the same way? You say Mihawk was staring at Vista the entire time, but this too is speculation. He's shown staring at Luffy for one panel. Mihawk vs. Vista was happening for more than a chapter. And, fact of the matter is, Eustass and Killer combined are significantly more powerful than Vista. Shanks could be holding back and still easily defeat Vista with no or low difficulty. This is not the energy Mihawk had with Vista whatsoever. Mihawk said he would be a fool to not know about how skilled Vista is, then fought evenly with him, and then suggested to postpone their duel. 5. I feel the Mihawk => Shanks arguments have a couple of double standards. When the notion of different interpretations enter the equation - i.e does the title mean stronger overall or stronger only at swordsmanship, or what 'strength' really means here, it's 'No, it says strength. It's to be interpreted at a surface level with no context'. When speculation about Shanks' other abilities, or when it's brought up how Shanks effectively may have disqualified himself for the running publicly due to his arm, it's 'No, this is what we were told on the surface, no speculation allowed' But when it comes to why Mihawk couldn't cut down Jozu, all of a sudden context matters. It's not Jozu's overall strength that matters, but a specific ability tailored to counter Mihawk's sword slash. It doesn't matter that Eustass is stronger than Jozu, it only matters because Jozu has a specific skill that's measured outside of overall strength. This also directly contradicts your point on strength vs. skill. Even though this is just a specific skill Jozu has, according to your strength = skill argument, this would also just count as Jozu's strength. Jozu's strength nullified Mihawk's strength. When it comes to Mihawk saying he isn't going to hold back against Luffy, speculation is not allowed. 'Oh maybe Mihawk meant this', despite nothing actually being stated to this effect. In fact, your argument practically proposes it's okay for us to believe that Mihawk said one thing but meant something entirely different when saying he wasn't holding back against Luffy. But it's wrong for Shanks > Mihawk fans to take a 'strength' interpretation as simply meaning stronger at swordsmanship, when this is literally how the word is sometimes used in our world as well? 'No ifs ands or buts' when Oda says one thing (and notably in a series where he very often puts the validity of titles in question), but when Oda says something else, it's 'Nah that's not what Mihawk meant'? So which is it? Are we taking things at surface level, or is context allowed to be thrown in? 6. One point I like to mention in this discussion is, I feel Mihawk => Shanks fans really undermine what sword skill really is. Under your definition, what even is the point of being a swordsman? The actual skill has no real impact on what it means to be a swordsman under this definition. A character like Kenpachi could come into the universe of One Piece with no actual skill, and just because he'd defeat everyone, he'd be the strongest swordsman. What's the point then? I just find it really hard to believe that Oda, a Japanese born individual where swordsmanship skill is an incredibly honored trait where people spend decades mastering sword styles, foot work and techniques, and a Mangaka who naturally has been inspired by many Japanese works, would consider sword skill really nothing more than brute strength. That Kenpachi could come into One Piece with a pool noodle, call it a sword and then beat everyone just by flexing reiatsu, and be considered the strongest swordsman. It also means that Kaidou could pick up a sword randomly one day and decide to start using it in all of his match ups, and then he'd automatically be the strongest swordsman. Then what's so great about Zoro's title? Is there then really any difference between world's strongest swordsman and just world's strongest combatant? 7. Another point that I don't feel this video addresses - the biggest reason Shanks > Mihawk fans think Shanks is more powerful, is simply because Shanks is Luffy's benchmark. Even now with Luffy being yonkou level, Shanks has avoided directly meeting Luffy. Shanks is the character Luffy ties to his goal of becoming pirate king. On the other hand, Zoro vs. Mihawk is very likely to occur around the same time, at the latest. Luffy will not be surpassing Shanks until about the same time, if not after, Zoro surpasses Mihawk. This is the most likely occurrence within the narrative of the story. Zoro vs. Mihawk will essentially have to occur in the epilogue for this not to be the case, and that simply doesn't make any sense. All in all, I will say this: your video definitely makes some fair/good points. And I never blame anyone for thinking Mihawk is stronger. There are some valid arguments on that side, and despite everything I said, the fact remains that Oda could be thinking the way Mihawk => Shanks fans interpret it. I have no proof that he isn't. But there's no proof he is either. And Shanks > Mihawk fans make good points too I don't think we're really going to know for sure until later in the series. I think when Zoro vs. Mihawk occurs will be very telling. Either way, I love your input regarding One Piece. Haven't had a chance to check out most of your videos yet, but will be doing so. So far, I've enjoyed what I've seen Edit: I forgot to mention, but I feel like both joyboytheories and hiddenisland have made good points on Shanks being > Mihawk. Joyboy mainly discusses the validity of news and titles within One Piece and how the information is often manipulated or come to be believed. Hiddenisland discusses how very possible it is that at one point, Shanks was primarily a swordsman but once he got his arm cut off, he stopped pursuing the swordsmanship title and decided to compete with Luffy for being Pirate King. I'm paraphrasing on both, but these are more or less part of the points they were making. You may have already watched these videos, but didn't see anything in this video that would counter their points. In fact I think hiddenisland's video may have been made after this
King is a swordsman, he is just dirty with it. He even says to Zoro "I also love a great duel" Great video Fiji love all your points. Only thing that is missing is addressing Crocodile v Mihawk in Marine Ford. Unfortunately some ppl use it to downplay Mihawk
Bro ijust debat with someone said ben beckman will beat mihawk itold him mihawk is high yonko equal to shanks he is solo 3.6 b he will upgraded if he moved
@@saidbachlil2612they must be dumb because I don’t think Ben Beckman himself has a bounty over 3 billion with Shanks having a low 4 billion. The only vice captain I would think of having a bounty over 3 billion is Rayleigh. In his prime he was probably very close in power with Roger while Gaban was shown to be boxing with Oden to a standstill. With Rayleigh being that strong and the first ever pirate king’s right hand man while knowing about the void century would make him have a bounty over 3 billion. Ben Beckman is nowhere close to those feats as of right now
27:47 When Zoro gets his black blade in thriller bark he says something similar about shisui vs Oars. Black Blades are dangerous but that doesn t mean Mihawk cannot swing harder or add haki, the man was barely swigging his sword in marine ford
@@nydeity9100if you don’t know Shisui then you shouldn’t be watching this video because Shisui is the name of a blade Zoro was handed in Thriller Bark that was wielded by a legendary Wano Samurai known as Ryuma
Zoro is 1cm taller than Sanji and they are rivals. Zoro > Sanji King is 1cm taller than Queen and they are rivals ig. King > Queen Shanks is 1cm taller than Mihawk and they are rivals. Shanks > Mihawk
Unironically best argument for Shanks over Mihawk lmao. Mihawk doesn't view Shanks as a rival anymore though. King and Queen mirror Zoro and Sanji, while Mihawk and Shanks do not.
either way mihawk is incredibly strong since zoro called s-hawk normal compared to mihawk and mihawk is legit zoros final challenge to be the best which means no matter how strong zoro is now its not as strong as mihawk and zoro will need to surpass him
It's simple, Shanks is the ideal Luffy is chasing, while Mihawk is Zoro's. That alone gives weight to Shanks being stronger. Also Shanks have a tendency to not flex is true power. Who says he goes all out against Mihawk? I'd put my money on Shanks
Shanks is not the man luffy is chasing , zoro need to beat mihawk jn order to be acknowledged as the wolrd strongest swordman,, while luffy even if he beat shanks he still won't be acknowledged as king of the pirate
Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman. Zoro wants to become the World's Strongest Swordsman. Zoro's end goal is immediately achieved by surpassing Mihawk. Shanks is not the Pirate King. Luffy wants to become the Pirate King. Luffy's end goal is NOT immediately achieved by surpassing Shanks, a mere Yonko.
im very new to One Piece powerscaling, but ive always found it frustrating how it seems like everyone is GLAZING shanks to no end. feels good to see a comment section of people filled with common sense lmaoo W vid
There's nothing to say Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. It's just his portrayal that gives us the impression that's more to him than meets the eye. I'll give you some of my reasoning..and it's a lot to write..Of course, that's how i picture it, so it's a lot of headcanon. Firstly, Oda stated right after the time skip that Luffy,Zoro and Sanji have different affinities for haki. Zoro's armament, Luffy's conquerors and Sanji's observation.. This affinity in my eyes dictates your potential in using your haki. Conquerors is the strongest, and i don't think Zoro will be able to use it at the level of Luffy due to his affinity lacking.. That means he'll need to improve his armament to its perfection, because he can..That's how you get black blades. If i don't spin it like this i can't grasp the idea that Rayleigh doesn't have a black blade, or even worse, a guy that's a pure swordsman, with the strongest haki of his era, the King of the pirates, Gol D Roger..and even Whitebeard i might add ass a sidenote. Why is that Roger and Whitebeard don't have their weapons black? Well, because they are experts in advanced conquerors. That's how my headcanon goes. In my eyes that already puts Mihawk a little lower in the power scaling debate. Shanks is a pure expert of advanced conquerors.. Now, on to the worlds strongest titles that don't mean much....Whitebeard held his title for so many years, even though he was clearly not the strongest anymore..From my understanding, in the Ace novels it was stated that Kaido was already stronger than WB.. Now we have a conflict between WSM and WSC...We don't know when Kaido met Shanks, but we can suspect that he was impressed with Shanks in their bout before Marineford..Impressed him enough to put him in his top 5 , close to Roger,WB, Xebec. Shanks in reality could be the true WSM, but in actuality we have the WSM in the shadows, Imu. The WSM title means nothing. There's a shit show regarding the WSM title, so why not WSS? I am of the idea that there's a difference between a sword fight and a sword duel.. In a sword fight you use everything you have at hand : haki, swords, guns, df's, explosives, technology, maybe combined with dirty tricks, kicks, etc. A sword duel is just swords, haki, that's it. In a sword duel should the WSS title be won or lost. I don't like the idea of someone using a DF in a duel for the title. If you use a zoan you might say it just improves your base stats, and that it should still be ok, but once you get to paramecia and logia it's a complete clown fiesta. What if Zoro had Akainu's df in his duel with Mihawk? Yeah, they clash their swords while the ground catches on fire, a magma volcano errupts near the battlefield, magma meteorites fall out of the sky. That's not sword skill..and it shouldn't count.. Now, Mihawk is the best when fighting in a duel, but when it's outside it, who knows? Would you like BM to take Mihawk's title because she uses a sword?BM: Ignore my df abilities dear Mihawk..Now i will take your title...while thunder, fire and everything under the sun besides the swordsmanship takes your life...What? At the same time, i don't know how Mihawk is the true WSS.. If Zoro beats Mihawk before Laugh tale, that means there are a few more to challenge Zoro after Mihawk, so stronger than Mihawk... Shiryuu would have to be one of them, but he has a df... At the same time we can look at the bald Gandhi gorosei with the supreme grade sword..That one should be stronger than Mihawk too, to pose a threat to WSS Zoro.... and that one looks like a "pure" swordsman, but maybe he has something on top of his sword skill.... If Zoro beats Mihawk after Laugh tale, it would be humiliation on Zoros' part.... Luffy achieves PK, learns the true history. It would simply overshadow Zoro's dream.. That's why people cling to Mihawk so hard, because they think Mihawk will be Zoro's last fight in the series, which is clearly not the case... They want Mihawk to be the strongest, otherwise Zoro's dream means nothing... At the same time, it would be shallow if Mihawk was not the true strongest swordsman..but here we have that scapegoat.. If the swordsmen after Mihawk clearly have other things besides swordsmanship, haki, it's clearly not a duel, so Mihawks' reputation is not tarnished in the eyes of the fanbase. Others might be above him due to other things outside of what you would consider a sword duel, as i stated above :"haki, swords, guns, df's, explosives, technology, maybe combined with dirty tricks, kicks, etc." That's where i would put Shanks. Sorry for the long read.. Edit: Shanks is 1 cm taller than Mihawk, Zoro is 1 cm taller than Sanji, King is 1 cm taller than Queen..XD I love the hints.
That's actually not a bad argument however what type dirty tricks or other things that is shanks using aging Mihawk because he doesn't have any df so idk
Wb is the strongest man yet he draw with a sick roger.. so don’t take the title seriously + shanks is like rayliegh he is a swordsman and can fight with legs.. last time shanks vs mihawk it was a draw that before 13+ .. hawkeye didn’t face a real challenge after shanks however shanks became a yonko in the process of that time & he has portrayal + haki > hawkeye & about hawkeye bounty he was a marine hunter thats 1 bill, and faced shanks many times thats 1 bill also and fought many swordsman thats 500 mill.. and he joined cross guild thats 1 bill.. Also oda stated that Vista in terms of skills is on par with maihawk so 😂😂
Let’s say wb had a big katana instead of a glave when he fought oden in there first meeting in wano. And in this example oden was winning the sword clash and then wb just hit him with a gura punch and won. Oden was a more SKILLED swordsman than wb but wb was just stronger(this is a analogy). Thats how I think shanks vs Mohawk is, mihawk more skilled shanks is stronger so he would win 🗿
Agreed. I highly doubt Mihawk can do as much as Shanks can with haki but that weird haki aura and throwing haki like he did to Ryokugyu probably wouldn't matter much in a 1-on-1 fight against Mihawk
Yeah and how is he going to use these special powers, are you going to make up a few for him? White Beard isn't a Swordsman Shanks is. White Beard relies on his devil fruit while Shanks doesn't have a devil fruit. And your ifs and buts are just you being wishful. Shanks as far as we know is or at least was Mihawk's rival who had multiple duels against Mihawk. Hence, he is a Swordsman who is inferior to Mihawk.
I hope Mihawk doesn’t have conqueror haki, and that he actually slapped all those other conqueror haki swordsman with just basic armament haki. makes him more badass and awesome.
I kinda think that Shanks is going to BECOME stronger or is still trying his best to be able to protect himself and his loved ones from threats, while Mihawk is complacent and stagnant. I’ve always interpreted the exchange of Mihawk calling Shanks a “Washed up Hazbeen” is a parallel to Shanks in the bar at the beginning of the story, showing that he WASNT all talk, that his philosophy doesn’t only apply to those weaker then him, but those who have the edge over him as well. That is to say; I believe that Mihawk IS stronger, but that Shanks has MUCH more desire to BE STRONG, which as we know is a BIG part of Haki Blooming/Haki Growth. Mihawk is never going to grow any stronger then he already has, while Zoro, Luffy and Shanks, will continue to grow, and will surpass him… eventually. My point is; Mihawk climbed to the top, and is just kinda sitting there, with no reason to try anymore. While all of our protagonists, Shanks included, have reason to grow; they travel, they fight, they overcome. Mihawk doesn’t SEEK more then he has, and so he will eventually be overshadowed by others. But, for right now..? Mihawk is 99% more likely to be the strongest at this moment.
The funny part about the arguments used by Mihawk's haters when it comes to the Marineford war is that... If we use these same arguments with other characters who have fought in this war, they become utterly ridiculous. For example, I could argue that Sengoku is weaker than Fishman Island Luffy just because he didn't destroy a weaker Luffy (unable to defeat a pacifista at the time) with his punch. I could also argue that Doflamingo is weaker than any potent haki user just because he clashed equally with Crocodile (or didn't cut him), the same Crocodile who feared Luffy's wet fists at the beginning of the war. The Marineford war is an absolute mess when it comes to powerscaling. You can't use the Marineford war to measure the power of Doflamingo, Sengoku, or Mihawk. Same thing for the Navy admirals : why did they never knock out Luffy when they hit him ?
Agreed, Spot on evaluation_ Luffy got the plot armor Doffy was just having fun. Mihawk was just killing time swinging his sword randomly. Anyone who uses this absurd feats for an argument and says Mihawk = Vista/ zoju etc is just really dumb or biased or a hater. And a piece of advice - dont try to argue with this types of biased fan or a hater, you can never win. Lmao let the story do the talking.
@@knighteNo You're right. I shouldn't argue with biased haters. But I can't help myself ! See... When Mihawk wants to kill time, he swings his sword. When I want to kill time, I spread my comments on UA-cam and Discord.
You are the only person that has explained mihawaks statment to luffy in the best way. Your analysis is top tier ngl.
It's the best cope for sure.
@@jjbbjjbbjjbb it actually make sense after weve seen blades like enma that basically have their own will
@@jjbbjjbbjjbbwhat cope. You’ll see Mihawk’s true strength soon
@@jjbbjjbbjjbb They reading Mihawk Piece
@@jjbbjjbbjjbblol go ahead and cope harder that shanks is stronger than mihawk. Shanks doesn't have a black blade. If shanks is stronger than mihawk especially with haki, why hasn't he turned his blade black? He lost an arm to make it worse. Mihawk packs up shanks hard to extreme diff.
Mihawk: World’s strongest swordsman
Kaido: World’s strongest creature
Whitebeard: World’s strongest man
Shanks: *Red-Haired*
Big mom world strongest family
All fraudulent titles dumbass.
@@Chaosking707luffy*
@@Chaosking707World's strongest Hag
It's not "red hair" It's AKAGAME
I’d like to see anybody go up against this argument this is solid
look at the comment section from newest to oldest
I always saw Mihawk vs Luffy in Marineford like a teacher testing a student, Mihawk's apology to Shanks is him basically saying "I'm not going to just let him pass for free", it doesn't mean the teacher is using all of his knowledge and going specifically for the kill
The way I took mihawk going all out was he truly was putting a lot if not full power behind his swings but he wasn’t actually trying that hard to hit luffy with them just to make luffy worry. But with vista I feel it was the other way because he was a swordsman he was holding back on his strength while testing vistas skill.
I can't say the role was like a teacher. You can say luffy got him curious and he unleashed some test attacks like let's see what this kid can do. Also Mihawk is technically luffy's enemy now. He's in the cross guild.
@@pollen1253 unfortunately the databook said mihawk = vista. i hope this isn't true so i can go back and tell everyone to never trust the databook ever again
@@Dave_of_Mordor never said equal just that he is top tier and can compete with him
@@Beamken you sure? I swear I saw equal
This video hinesy felt like common sense, finally someone gets what I've been arguing for years .
The name haki man crazy in this argument.
Most people I see are happy to admit that Mihawk probably has the best observation haki due to his clairvoyant epithet and most also agree that his black blade probably means he has better armament. This is 2 of 3 haki types so how are people arguing Shanks wins because he specialises in haki when he likely only has better conquerors haki but as long as Mihawk has advanced conquerors they can still clash and Mihawk even has the confirmed better fighting skills.
For real but the headcanons be like_
During the duel
Mihawk- Hey akagami, turn off your haki, this is swordsmanship
please thats not fair.
Shanks 'The haki man' - Okay chil homie don't cry, i will..
Jokes aside i think the epithet 'Haki man' suits very well for Garp. The man is nothing but Haki & brute strength keeping up with the likes of Roger, WB & Sengoku.
Shanks saw 10 seconds into the future and can kill observation
Preach it, brother.
people are wilding out here in he community. i stand with you.
Listen Mihawk fans, right now your points are all talk and no walk!!! We haven’t actually seen Mihawk do anything comparable to top tiers in the entire series!! He needs to prove that he’s stronger with physical feats, because right now Shanks is giving us extraordinary feats against top tiers!! Mihawk has to do something to convince us he’s worthy of the title, not just have the title and nothing else!!!!
bro he's the strongest SWORDSMAN that means he's the STRONGEST CHARACTER!
Bro he's chopping up Kaido, he's chopping up Whitebeard (he's the world strongest kabob now), and he's COOKING ALL THE ADMIRALS with one hand!
I understand why Kaido didn't acknowledge Mihawk... it's cause he surpasses ROGER himself
I know why BOTH Akainu and the Gorgesi only freaks out when shanks moves and not Mihawk... it's cause DRACULA D.!!!! Is too strong! Emu is shivering in his boots!!!!
Joy boy is waiting for Mihawk to move!!!
@@Thenoble1jno my guy, strongest swordsman doesn’t equal to being the strongest character
@@haresjoanhes current strongest cuz he's stronger than shanks.
Till a few months ago we haven't seen power level of elders but still placed them above yonko and admirals. Ultimately it turn out that Gear5 luffy cannot do anything to them.
Rocks hasn't shown any feat should we ignore him, definitely not, no person in their right mind would go against Roger and Garp.
Dragon has not shown any feat so can we put him in league of vice admiral, for this you must watch Tom and Jerry not this.
We haven't seen power of Holy knights should they be in league of vice admirals,
The point Oda is not an idiot who would waste an important character for decades. Mihawk needs to be stronger than shanks as ultimately Zoro has to become world's strongest swordsman + final fight is against imu so technically you can consider league of Zoro after that. Fraud Mihawk would result in wastage of existence of both shank and Zoro.
@@strangerop8318 Mihawk is only relevant because of his connection with Zoro!!! Shanks has the connection with Luffy (the MC) since the first chapter!! Zoro can beat Mihawk and become the world's strongest swordsman surpassing both of him and Shanks, but Shanks can still be stronger than Mihawk!!!
Mihawk just has the title, and we know he hasn't fought every swordsman in the world!! He hasn't fought Venusjuro or Garling and he didn't even beat Shanks, the government just decided to give him the title!!! This won't be an issue for Zoro because we know he will beat Mihawk, Venusjoru, and the majority of top tier swordsman by end of series
From how Oda is portraying Shanks, it looks like he is way stronger right now so I'm hoping he gives Mihawk something soon!!!
Whatttttttttttt the world strongest swordsman is stronger than a red headed swordsman with a whole crew and fleet backing him up. No wayyyy
I think deep down the main reason people want Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk aside from them just liking the character more, is because Shanks is to Luffy what Mihawk is to Zoro. And assuming Luffy and Zoro both defeat Shanks/Mihawk respectively at roughly the same time, doesn't that mean that Zoro is stronger than Luffy? That's what people want to avoid.
Then the only three explanations left are:
1) "Mihawk may be slightly stronger than Shanks, but the small amount of difference will be eclipsed by how much effort Zoro will put into beating Mihawk compared to Luffy beating Shanks, thus keeping the powerscaling consistent between Luffy and Zoro. As Zoro put in way more effort than Luffy to defeat a barely stronger opponent." This kinda makes Shanks look too weak and Luffy too strong, as it implies Luffy will beat Shanks using anything less than extreme diff.
2) "Luffy will beat Shanks wayyy before Zoro will beat Mihawk, so there's still a progression with Mihawk, the stronger opponent, coming later in the story." While this is possible it just doesn't seem very likely, considering we've got 2 1/2 years left and both of these things narratively should really come before Laugh Tale/the final war against the WG, imo.
3) "Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. Luffy/Zoro will defeat their respective guys at roughly the same time, both using extreme diff. And Zoro will just be stronger than Luffy for a short while, before another fight comes along shortly after (Blackbeard) and re-establishes Luffy as stronger by the end of that fight." This is the explanation that honestly I'm going with for now, but you can see why this one hasn't really caught on as it requires to accept a bunch of other headcanons first.
Great video tho, didn't mean to write a whole ass essay😅
Also I think I've forgotten how black blades work cause aren't Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Law and Zoro all users of black blades/grade swords?
No, Only Mihawk and Ryuma are stated to have created Black Blade and Zoro used Ryuma's sword and every other characters never had Black Blade. Hence why it's so special.
And I disagree with the notion that Shanks is to Luffy what Mihawk is to Zoro because their relationship and goals are fundamentally different.
For me , the existence of kaku as a swordsman end the debate....six powers+ sword skills+ devil fruit yet still a swordsman
agreed! theres also the cabaji example which is even funnier... he spits fire, throws some sort of bayblades, smoke grenades and kicks and he identifies himself as swordsman which zoro ackowledged that cabaji indeed is a swordsman!
haki is pretty much a supplement, its used to boost the already existant fighting style of the user NOT a style apart from it but shankstards think WHEN IT COMES TO SHANKS that haki becomes a fighting style of its own... a serious shanks used a sword technique to cut down kidd whos one of the strongest pirates currently and shanks was extremely serious bcz he foresaw a future where his fleet got literally obliterated into oblivion so he stepped in ASAP and in serious mode he got the W instantly using a sword technique coated with massive haki!!!
Very well made video 💯
Shanks is a swordsman, but he's not only a swordsman. As we saw recently, there is some crazy shit you can do with adv conqueror's haki. Shanks scared Green Bull with a haki beam from outside of the island. It is possible and likely that Shanks developed conqueror's haki skills that have nothing to do with swordsmanship. His default is to use a sword, but we've never seen Shanks fight seriously. We've actually never seen him fight at all. He one-shotted Captain Useless Mid with his sword attack, but that's about it. You are right that Shanks being a stronger swordsman would invalidate Zoro's goal. But he's not a stronger swordsman. As a swordsman, Shanks is no match for Mihawk since losing his arm. But as a fighter he is most likely stronger than Mihawk, simply based on the fact that Shanks is Luffy's mentor/rival, and Mihawk is Zoro's mentor/rival. Luffy always has the stronger opponent, and Luffy's promise to Shanks kickstarted the entire story. It would be extremely underwhelming if Shanks turned out weaker than Zoro's opponent.
World's most powerful swordsman > yonko swordsman + Zoro already is yonko lvl by the way, now that Enma has finally acknowledged him as Oden's worthy heir.
Zoro will surpass oden rayleigh shanks mihawk
zoro isn't yonko lvl yet, come on
@@yourlocallunarian3202 Oh he is, I can see him split the skies like pre- Gear 5 Luffy did, they awakened acoc in the same time for a reason
@@Zoro-go1mc you truly believe Current zoro is beating Wb, Shanks, BM, BB, Kaido… who is he beating out of those??? I don’t see zoro beating ANY of them except MAYBE a sick wb at marineford and thats pushing it still. Zoro is yonko commander~admiral level right now. Not yonko level, maybe end series after he beats mihawk who is a yonko level character.
@@TwiiChyyy acoc users are yonko lvl characters, pay attention to the story if you think Yamato or Zoro aren't top tiers
Both sides will swear they are right and that the other is blatantly and obviously wrong but neither of them can prove it tho. For me personally I just look at the writing Oda gives the character, Shanks has always been written to be more hype so for me he's stronger if only slightly but if the opposite is proven I'm not gonna be mad at it. I just get annoyed when people swear they are right when we all know, they, like everyone else don't know
From what we know so far in the story (this could change) all the evidence we have points to mihawk/ shanks, the only way people think shanks is stronger is either headcanon or they don’t understand the context of mihawks role in the story and his feats/ actions, like he obviously doesn’t scale to vista and crocodile at marineford. It’s not concrete, shanks could very well be stronger but there is nothing indicating that yet
@@ItchymusScratchymus The only thing that is 100% confirmed is that Mihawk's sword skills are greater than Shanks'. That's all, if hypothetically Shanks were to shoot a haki laser beam from his hand that would obv not be factored into the strongest swordsmen title.
@@esmile101 sure if shanks pulled off a ridiculous feat like that and maybe we saw shanks or mihawk actually seen depicted in a serious fight shanks could go above him
Ppl wo talk about Mihawk say that he is a badass how he roams alone around the grandline with his small boat bud literally everyone forgeds that he literally went to the new world alone with his small boat to meet Shanks an emperor he dosn't care he is like the definition of freedom and suffering from success
I've never been a power scaler and I love both characters equally for the most part, but while Mihawk is obviously the better swordsman being called "the world's strongest swordsman" I think Shanks has a better handling on haki all around even though we've barely seen it but hope we see a lot more from these 2 this year
How can Mihawk be the better swordsman while not being a better user of haki?
@cy4069 Just the way I see it rn but if Mihawk is stronger overall and can beat Shanks, that's fine by me. It won't hinder my enjoyment of either character.
The greatest swordsman would need the greatest haki? Yk what I mean? There are one in the same, u can’t be a great swordsman’s without haki, and shanks is a swordsman. Also my theory is to get a black blade u need to have a tremendous amount of advanced Kings haki used and many many battles fought to forge a black blade. And Mihawk and the legend ryuma are so far the only characters known to have done that.
@Vorce Demonize When Shanks' mere presence scared away Greenbull, that wasn't the feat of a simple swordsman. By the logic of Mihawk's title making him stronger than Shanks, you could also claim WB was in fact stronger than every other man in the world while sick and dying, despite literally no one actually believing that. His title is the exact same in Japanese as Mihawk's except, instead of 'swordsman', it's just 'man'. Meanwhile, every Mihawk fanboy for some reason thinks Mihawk was stronger than WB, despite his title. It makes no sense to put more weight on the absoluteness of one than another. The fact is, Shanks has the whole world jacking him off and it's no surprise the majority thinks he's stronger than Mihawk.
Shanks has always been Luffy's goal of surpassing, while Mihawk has been Zoro's. If Zoro viewed Shanks as a simple swordsman, he would want to defeat him too, just like he wants to fight every other swordsman he runs into. Shanks is a swordsman, but he's also an adept fighter without a sword (in a way Mihawk isn't, as demonstrated by the Greenbull feat). There's simply no world that the ultimate goal of power Luffy wants to reach is lesser than the goal of power Zoro wants to reach. Shanks is just that guy. A normal swordsman doesn't lose their sword arm and then go on to become a Yonko and casually stop wars. The BIGGEST indicator from Oda that Shanks is that guy is that we've never seen him seriously fight anyone, despite us seeing literally every other known top tier in the verse fight. He's not hiding Shanks' power to have him be weaker than Mihawk - someone who, by Mihawk stan's own reasoning, should be weaker than old WB.
@@IlluviumGaming Bro here is the argument - Not anybody in marine knew about wb sickness. Not even anybody except shanks. Do you think kaido would want to fight wb even when he knew wb is on death bed? Surpassing shanks in not luffy's goal surpassing him and his crew by gathering his own crew is his mission. And his true goal is to become pirate king which has nothing to do with shanks. In whole manga, there is not a single panel with zoro and shanks name together. When garp was talking with strawhats zoro was lost. During law and luffy conversation zoro was not there. Greenbull obeyed the orders and every smart human will do that. Two yonko and their crew were there why won't he run away. And shanks didn't do any damage to him. Shanks has a scar and got a hand eaten by sea king. Mihawk is not even touched in entire series. And buggy became a yonko in 2 years after entering grand line. we have never seen mihawk fighting seriously moreover, he has never seen bleeding or shocked in the entire series except in his fight against zoro. There is no indicator from oda which proves shanks>mihawk but there are many indicators in favor for mihawk>shanks.
I went into this video with a bias for Shanks as I like him more as a character. But you made a damn good job with this video and convinced me that Mihawk is stronger. I think the point that sold me was that narratively speaking it would take away from Zoro's character arc if Mihawk is not stronger than Shanks. Great video!
Mihawk was just hanging around in paramount war because as a warlord it was required to be there, he look bored and wanna go home.
No he doesnt, he could deny the order if he wanted . This was shown when sengoku was surprised when mihawk came and mihawk said he was interested in the war meaning sengoku was expecting him not to come. If he didnt come the govt wont do anything
Obviously Mihawk is the stronger of the two and that should be fairly obvious to anyone paying attention to the story (especially after 1058)
But Shanks is more popular so obviously more people will think he’s above him.
I feel like every time we seen Mihawk "fight", he just uses a few "basic abilities" and then gets bored. We have never seen him "pop cooldowns and use a full rotation."
In a world where haki reigns supreme you expect Shanks, the strongest haki user, to be inferior to the strongest swordsman?
Lol, what makes you think Mihawk is inferior to Shanks in Haki? Where has it ever been stated that Shanks is the Stronger Haki user? Mihawk's being Strongest Swordsman also means that he has a stronger Haki than Shanks.
I love seeing a headcanon user, their headcanon prowess is too strong in the world of OP, even rivaled Oda's writing.
When has Shanks been stated to be the strongest haki user? lol
@@beepboop4833 It's called portrayal.
@@antiravage It’s called I believe what I want to.
Everything it's fax and I always agreed on it, but there is one little thing that I can't get out of my mind and will always leave the doubt in me.
Shanks it's 199cm tall, mihawk it's 198cm tall. (Same as zoro and king who are 1 cm taller than sanji and queen). I know it's a very stupid thing but I seriously can't get this out of my mind because I know that it's something oda would do to tell us who is stronger.
I have a question regarding your arguments for the portrayal of Mihawk during Marineford. To be clear I also believe Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, so I am not arguing rather just curious of your explanation. In two instances you mention the breath of all things when Mihawk can't cut someone (Jozu and Mr. 1), but what about when Mihawk cuts the iceberg. You say in the video that Mihawk was aiming at Luffy and ends up cutting the Iceberg effortlessly. What about the breath of all things in this moment, if Mihawk was going for Luffy, how come he cut the iceberg? I'm not sure how I would explain it. All in all though, great video. Keep up the good work!
Well, it's probably like this, cutting ice isn't considered that difficult. I mean the only thing that makes Mihawk cutting it impressive is the sheer size of it with nothing but a casual size of it from quite a distance. But Iron and Diamonds are way way harder especially Diamonds. That's why cutting up Mr1 needed a slight focus while curt the ice berg didn't.
@@tsujan3984 yes but the whole point is that with the breath of all things you wont cut that which you dont want to cut, no matter how easy it is for you to cut it. Like with Zoro and the leaves.
@@diaklea Hmmm, maybe it's because Mihawk wanted to cut Luffy but he didn't not want to cut Iceberg. In order to not cut something you probably have to think about not wanting to cut it for things that are relatively easy to cut at least. But Steel and Diamond are very strong materials so Mihawk's simple slash didn't cut them at first but he used "the breath of all things" to then cut Mr.1
Does that make sense?
Zoro didn't want to cut the grass so he didn't but Zoro wanted to cut the rock so he cut it very easily while using the breath of all things. However it doesn't mean that if he swings his sharp sword on the grass he won't cut it.
Mihawk probably wasn't using breath of all things when he was sending a normal slash that was intercepted by Josu and Mr.1 but when Mr.1 needed to be cut Mihawk used the breath of all things and cut Mr.1 without any effort.
@@tsujan3984 yeah I see what you mean. It makes sense in that way. If you dont want to cut something otherwise very easy for you to cut, you really have to think about it as it takes more skill than simply not cutting iron or diamond.
I would explain it like this: Given that The breath of all things is a ‘breath’/‘voice’, it works like how sound works in the real world ie each breath have thresholds and frequencies. Some sounds are different but of the same threshold/frequency ie a concert can be as loud as a construction drill. This principle being true explains not only why Mihawk cut the iceberg whilst aiming for Luffy but also a lot of AoE phenomena in the story for example When Mr 1 cuts Zoro with the buzzsaws, he slices his chest open but cuts completely through the pillar Zoro was sitting behind. Am I saying Mr 1 was using the BoATs? No, but it explains why he can casually cut through pillars but can’t slice through Zoro; Zoro’s flesh is of a higher frequency. Whenever someone cuts through something, they are either knowingly or unknowingly cutting through the substance with the required amount of force/haki/precision required. Likewise, when Mihawk tries to cut Luffy, since he is a BoATs user, he used the required amount of force/haki/precision needed to not only cut through Luffy but other substances that are either of the same frequency or lower frequency than rubber, like the ice, which is why it was cut.
This also explains why Jozu was able to stop his attack aimed for WB.
Were you on the RTTV podcast?
if this is the case why is nobody talking about the fact that zoro is the one that has to beat shanks as a stepping stool to get to mihawk luffy would probably forbit it but zoro at the beginning of the series said ill join but never stop me on the path of my goal making luffy break that promise and zoro leaving the crew or making luffy step back and watch zoro or shanks die or nearly die
I didn't even start the video yet, but I will say Mihawk top 1 lmao.
I genuinely think not having Mihawk at least top 5 and having Shanks above Mihawk are delusional takes.
Shanks above Mihawk is just simply lying to yourself and Mihawk not even being top 5 is just like saying "Zoros goal is to be below Luffy and Luffys 4 last major opponents."
So to me, there is no debate here, but knowing you, I'm sure this is a comprehensive video explaining all of this in a more informative way than I did here for those people that just can't let go of Shanks being stronger, because they mistake character writing with strenght. They always want their favorites to be stronger. But they don't realize if Mihawk is stronger, NOTHING changes about Shanks, Shanks character remains in tact as we know and love him. BUT if Mihawk is weaker, then Mihawks character becomes a clown, a fake dream Zoro is chasing, a fraud that doesn't deserve his title and an entire world that has been fooled, agreeing to call him the strongest swordsman when he is not. You see the problem here people?
Mihawk > Shanks keeps the plot going fine.
Shanks > Mihawk invalidates the dream of Luffys right hand and makes the entire world out to be stupid.
PS: Shoutout to Roy Newgates video on this topic. Still one of, if not the most goated video on this topic on UA-cam imo. Roy nailed it.
Not to discredit this video though, as new information and arguments appeared ever since Roys video anyways, so an update from one of the goats in this community is very welcome.
I had a whole section here on the comment on how I believe King to be a swordsman as I would say he is always slightly weaker without a sword than he would be with one. But your arguments have changed my perspective to the sword being just a supplement to Kings style. In the same way an MMA fighter is not a dedicated kickboxer, but uses kickboxing, King is not a dedicated swordsman, but uses a sword. So I deleted that whole paragraph cause you already changed my mind on this lmao.
By the way, call me completely crazy for this, I probably deserve it. But the fact that Mihawk is confident in telling Zoro he will await him at the top NO MATTER HOW LONG ZORO TAKES and now Mihawk made an enemy of all of the marines once more tells me that Mihawk is an individual potentially capable, or at least believing he is capable of, beating a Yonko crew/Marines tier force all by himself. At the very least, Mihawk believes that even if a Yonko came after him with all of his might and allies, he would prevail and come out healthy enough to still be above Shanks, the (most likely) second strongest swordsman in the world. That's the kind of person I take Mihawk for. Specifically because Mihawk acknowledged making allies as the strongest power in the seas. Because that means he knows he lacks that strongest thing you can have but he STILL believes he will not be killed and his title won't be taken.
I feel bad for people that already liked my comment and now seem like they automatically agree to me basically saying Mihawk > an entire Yonko crew/3 admirals xDDDDD
But here's the thing, I will NEVER be convinced that Zoros dream will be made to be stupid by Oda. Zoro is the second most important character in the series after Luffy. So Mihawk cannot be a fraud because that would destroy about 24 years of readers awaiting Zoros dream to culminate in their final duel. If Mihawk believes noone can take him down, then I believe Mihawk. If Mihawk can casually walk into a Yonkos inner circle, insult the Yonko as a one armed has been in front of his crew and not be corrected or even scoffed at by a single person present, then I will assume that Mihawk full well knows that he is correct and that he is NOT threatened in the current situation, because the combined might present there does not make him feel threatened.
Obviously him and Shanks are friends as well so he knows they wouldn't just attack him, but there's still also the fact that Shanks nameless subordinates were scared shitless and went to Shanks to warn him as if the entire Marines just pulled up to take down their crew. In the eyes of Shanks own crewmates, Mihawk is a threat to them even when all of Shanks commanders and Shanks himself are gathered in one place. So Shanks own crew believes that Mihawk may possibly take down Shanks, Benn and all the other big names at once while fighting alone.
Call me crazy, but at the very least, that is how the fodder in Shanks crew views Mihawk.
About Marineford stuff, people vastly misunderstand what Mihawk was even doing in Marineford. He didn't even really try to go for Whitebeard. Sure, his cut was intended for him, but if Mihawk had the goal to actually cut Whitebeard, then he wouldn't have just given up after a single nameless, one handed, effortless attack now would he? Mihawk said he was going to measure "the true distance between us and that man, who seems to be standing right in front of us". What is this true distance? In my opinion, he is refering to the "effort" you have to make to get to Whitebeard.
He basically said "WB is literally right in front of us, anyone with ranged attacks can easily reach him, but will it REALLY be that easy?" THAT is the concept he wanted to test in that moment. He wanted to check if it was really as easy to get to WB as the distance would suggest. And Jozu gave him his answer. No. The "true distance" to get to WB was that you need to get through his commanders defending him first. Thus, the actual "effort" associated with bridging that gap is far more than just moving the couple hundred meters WB was standing away from the wall Mihawk was standing on.
Later on when testing Luffy, Mihawk literally asked fate what it will do with Luffy. If the worlds strongest swordsman wanted to kill Luffy with all he has, the same man that confidently insults Yonko and declared to Zoro that he will remain at the top no matter how long it takes, a man with THAT HUGE CONFIDENCE, wether you agree with Mihawks confidence or not, would such a confident man really doubt himself and ask fate what it has in store for Luffy? No. Such a confident man would be 100% certain that Luffy is going to die right here, right now.
But he was not certain, because he was not going for the kill. That's the only logical explanation.
And for Vista, Mihawk was done with his test, as was 100% shown by Mihawks inner monologue about Luffy, Mihawk had his answer about Luffys strenght and fate, so he used Vista to kill some time. That's all there is to it. Vista was the most competent swordsman present, so Mihawk enjoyed himself a bit instead of just crushing random fodders in the war.
As you explained perfectly as well, the Mr. 1 situation is perfect, as it proves the point about Jozu blocking the attack not meaning anything lmao.
I will give WB some credit btw and mention that Luffy was not just afraid of Mihawk but ALSO when he saw WB tilting the oceans. One can argue he was in awe, not scared. But to me it was both. Luffy felt that he was vastly outclassed in that moment. But when it comes to a personal threat, yes, Mihawk was the ONLY obstacle that made Luffy retreat on his own. Even for the three admirals, Luffy stormed in head first because every notion of cautiousness was thrown out the window, with Aces life on the line. And yet Mihawk was able to instill a fear in Luffy that made him stay back, when his brother was on the line.
And yeah, Mihawk is 100% afraid of Shanks, that's why he went into his base and called him a weak bitch infront of all of his commanders and crew, surely makes sense that he would be terrified of Shanks' wrath :^)
Lastly, the subtitles have some minor typos here and there, which isn't a big deal at all, but one made me laugh.
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"In what world is Mihawk afraid of SHARKS?" xDD
Amazing video as always brother, a really really good one imo. The edits are nice, the points are.. on point lol. I even learned smth new as a Mihawk stan, something I never even considered as it isn't worth arguing. Brannew comparing Mihawk to Shanks swordskill meaning that Shanks swordskill is THE MOST NOTEWORTHY thing about Shanks combat style. I never thought about this implication, as I never think about Shanks not being a swordsman, as I don't have an IQ below 20 👀
Anyways, good content brother, keep up the good work, your subscribers are steadily rising and you definitely deserve it. You are honestly a breath of fresh air and unbiased rationality in the OP community where what seems like 95% of creators are pandering to the loud toxic fans to avoid any sort of controversy instead of actually sticking to logic. So I believe you are one of the content creators that actually enriches the community FAR MORE than even some of the most popular among all OPTubers, simply because your integrity is frankly very rare in this community.
Keep up the work. Integrity and hard work will be rewarded without fail.
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Dude wrote a whole novel
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Me and Fiji are buddies so I always like to talk about all the shit that pops to mind in the videos lmao. We often talk about those points too.
But honestly, I generally talk a lot anyways xDD
I read the whole thing and yes the later part does sound crazy and it probably is tbh but it's not as crazy as people saying Shanks is not a Swordsman, lol. Mihawk has confidence to beat any swordsman in 1 on 1 and strong and smart enough not to get caught up in a situation where he would be in danger and is capable of getting out of it if he ever finds himself in one. Great comment btw.
@@tsujan3984
Thanks, appreciate when people actually read my long ass stuff, as you can imagine most replies I get are just "man wrote a novel" or "too long didn't read" and I'm just like "Then don't reply and spamm my notifications! It's fine not to read, but then be quiet lmao"
Anyways, yeah, I understand I'm most likely being crazy with the later part. But at the very least I believe that Mihawk is confident enough to walk in on an entire Yonko crew and somehow still get out of there safely.
It may even be a Katakuri type deal, because Mihawks definining feature, his eyes, and his original epithet "clairvoyant" which describes someone that is able to perceive events everywhere and even in the future, heavily hints that Mihawks observation haki is out of this world.
So he may just be confident to get out of any sticky situation with ease, or he may be able to know minutes in advance if someone tries to attack him, so he KNOWS he can walk into here and he won't be attacked, since he's seeing pretty far into the future?
That's a possibility that doesn't mean Mihawk can 3v1 the admirals lmao, so this is probably more reasonable right? xD
Also, remember how Mihawk knew that something about the warlords was being discussed in the Reverie BEFORE the newspaper about that dropped? Before the Kings even made the decision yet, it was just being discussed. I see a lot of people telling me he just read it in the newspaper, but we canonically know that's not true. He was reading about Moria in the News and the Reverie stuff wasn't published until the warlords were already being attacked.
Anways, my take on this is two options.
1: Mihawk has an informant in the WG.
2: Mihawks observation is so stupid, he listened in on the Reverie from his home.
Like how Shanks directed his advanced conquerers to hit Greenbull all the way up on Wano, Mihawk may be able to direct his observation in one specific direction only, losing the 360 degree observation but gaining a lot of range.
This is obviously just speculation tho
spoiler one year after, he doesn't have conqueror, wich is truly impresssive
Don’t take vivre cards at canon. Zoro who not only has conquerors but advanced conquerors as well, isn’t listed as one on the vivre cards. Vivre cards won’t say he has it until it’s confirmed in the actual story.
to say that shanks is a haki man and is stronger than mihawk is like saying that "the worlds strongest boxer" is not as strong as another boxer who is has better technique than him
I agree on that you need political power to be a Yonko, in general you need power+ lands+ army/alliance. Buggy has all of these, and yes he’s an exception because he didn’t get that because of his physical strength, but with luck and intelligence. And honestly, comparing the old Yonkos with new one is a joke. They literally needed armies and plot armor to defeat big mom and Kaido
plot armor doesnt exist. its a made up thing. people win fights in manga because the author said so. thats the whole goddamn point. the author is trying to tell a planned out story, not run a simulation, especially that everything that conveniently saves or helps characters in One Piece is pretty much never a Deus Ex Machina. It's always a firing of chekhov's gun. The seeds for that situation were always planted potentially even chapters ahead of time, even volumes.
When Merry came to Enies Lobby to save the Straw Hats, that wasn't just "plot armor", it was already well established by Oda all the way back in Skypiea that she is sentient. He had loaded the gun then and fired it in Enies Lobby as a believable, convenient, but believable solution to the situation our heroes found themselves in, and that's just one example.
Becuse the author said so? Yes, sir! That’s what plot Armor is.
just luck*
They needed an army to defeat Kaido not Big Mom*
@@nobody42071 Big Mom allied with Kiado, so it’s 2 groups vs armies.
The breath of all thing argument seems fine until the point where the iceberg was cut when the original and actual intended target is luffy. Well unless the durability of that big iceberg is lower then luffy of course 💀
There is no argument for Shanks being stronger except Copium , KOL got plenty of that
He got some powerful Advanced Color of Copium
@@beepboop4833 Also KOL downplaying garp hahaha and got roasted 🤣🤣🤣 after the recent chapter.
How the f a man with a title of WSS+Blackblade cant even beat younger shanks nor inflict a single scar hahahah 🤣 .
Bro mihawk is featless
@@Wu_bandz So is Shanks, even if he got some feats here and there in the recent chapters. Mihawk can't be featless because he has shown some feats in Marineford.
Roger has sword, Mihawk has sword.
Mihawk title world greatest swordsman (this includes haki), this means Mihawk is stronger than Roger overall
The thing is Mihawk didn’t have the title most likely around rogers time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mihawk did indeed surpass roger in terms of the blade. Oda is still keeping us in the dark on his true power. He casually cuts ships and island sized icebergs so he’s gonna be crazy. His yoru is probably the strongest blade ever aswell in existence till zoro surpasses him
Alive
He is the CURRENT strongest swordsman. Roger isn't alive
This is either going to age fantastically or horribly
It's gonna age horribly bruh I promise🤣It is obvious that shanks is stronger and he has shown better feats
@@Sanji_Uchiha5000 currently right now Oda revealed shanks named attacks before mihawk and dragon. Saving the best for last i guess
Im sorry but there are too many contradictory statements in your marineford defence. You say, Mihawk only uses nevessary force, next you show him cutting the huge glacier with a hit he intended for luffy. You reference the breath of all things… only to not explain why a cut meant for rubber cut ice. The rest of the video is near perfection but these defences sound like cope.
The fan debates surrounding this battle is ultimately reflective of how poorly Oda has flashed out the concept of swordsmanship in the One Piece world. No one but Zoro and Mihawk seem to care about 'true swordsmanship'. Furthermore, Oda has a history of lying to us with titles as seen with White Beard and Kaido, so it is not unreasonable to doubt the legitimacy of Mihawk's title. Logically, yes, Mihawk should be stronger, but Shanks is Oda's golden boy and Luffy's dream is supposed to be more difficult than Zoro's dream. If Zoro beats Mihawk, he would be stronger than Luffy, which cannot happen.
Also as a bonus, Shanks in 1cm taller than Mihawk, which is the same height difference Zoro has with Sanji and King has with Queen. Mihawk should be stronger logically, but narrative signs are pointing to Shanks being the better one, and the ambiguity in fan discussion is ultimately a reflection of Oda's poor writing regarding the topic.
While I appreciate the effort you put on the video and you geniuenly made me reconsider some lf Mihawk's moments in the series, I still can't find a single way in which this is possible.
I agree that we shouldn't just base our power scaling on titles or bounties. But the Yonko (except for Buggy, I'll give you that) have proven to be a different kind of beast.
Shirohige used to be one of the strongest in history and was really old in Marineford.
Kurohige has had little time to expwriment with his fruits but he still has been proven to be a top tier currently.
I think I don't need to bring uo Big Mom or Kaido as to their power.
What I'm trying to say is that to be a Yonko one must have strenght to withold that power. In a lawless land like the New World, only the strongest rule. In the case of Buggy, he has Mihawk, which would fit that category.
I personally find Shanks to be #1 in the verse, only Kaido being relative to him and Big Mom an extremely diff fight while Mihawk is between #4-#8 allong Akainu or Dragon. We just don't know that much about the "top tiers"except for the Yonko.
What I'm trying to say is that while there is no doubt that Mihawk is a powerhouse and the **best swordsman in the world**, we can't ignore the fact that one can be strong without being a swordsman.
You bring a good point: Shanks in terms of fighting skills with a sword was #2 and relative to Mihawk in tha past. But how can we know about Shanks fighting style? Maybe he isn't just a top tier swordsman, but a master of haki and some other wonky abilities or skills or something.
Maybe those duels where, in fact, just duels where Shanks had to restrain himself to only ose his sword and Haki with it. How can we know that Shanks' power is throwing conqueror's haki lighting on top of people's head? He wouldn't be able tl do that in a duel. Maybe he's profficirnt with his sword but it acts mainly as a conductor more like a buff to his haki or something like that.
As you said, it's heavily implied that Mihawk has top tier obervation, armament and mosy likely really good conquerors. Shanks might have a bit less observation, about the same armament but far superior conquerors. Ffs, in Film Red (spoilers), he could straight up negate lther's haki. Shanks might just be a fighter that bases his skills on ther things such as haki or hax like those. In those clashes with Mihawk, he wouldn't have been able to do so to "respect" the traditions lf a duel.
Mayne Shanks is just that haki cracked. At leat he's shown some feats, we just don't know anything about Mihawk to know yet.
If we add things like plot and narrative implications, it's clear that Shanks would be overall stronger than Mihawk.
Also: I have sone issues with your argument about the fan image at the beggining. The fact that prominent sowrdsmen (like the 9 Scabbards which are top tier swordsmen) are missing and it's just fanart makes it a pretty weak argument to be honest. Also, Kaku currntly hasn't even taken a sword to Egghead, meaning his forte is kicking much like Sanji. Maybe Shanks is like that: he's good with his sword but also can kick and has other stupid skills that make him broken.
Edit: also why wouldn't the Navy simply say that Mihawk is "stronger than Shanks" instead of having "better sword skills"??
In regards to your last question, it’s redundant if they say that because it’s saying the same thing
I hoped you don't mind me breaking down a few things from your argument.
First off, I don't understand why you can't see Mihawk being superior when the video clarifies perfectly what it takes to be a Younko yes a certain level of strength is necessary but it's mostly political and influence based and Buggy isn't an exception to the rules because the power Buggy himself is missing is covered by Mihawk now. Because Younko's strength isn't individual but crew based. Plus the reason why Oda stated Skill is because that's what he says to power based hierarchy, which is also shown in the video where multiple characters have referred to skills as strength.
And for your next point, you say we don't know what else Shanks can do maybe he can do this or maybe he can do that but the same can be said about Mihawk we don't know how powerful his ACoC is it could be stronger than Shanks. Point is where the story is now the only definite thing we know about Shanks and Mihawk is that Shanks and Mihawk used to duel many times and Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman. Why make up a non-existing power for Shanks just to have him above Mihawk? What does the Story gain from having Shanks above Mihawk which would only shallow the importance and impact of the title.
If we go back and look White Beard who was a Younko was a World's Strongest Man, Kaido was World's Strongest Creature and Mihawk is World Strongest Swordsman. The title of the strongest is given to those who are the strongest.
And Mihawk's and Shanks' duel was referred to as a Legendary duel by White Beard himself. Why would a Man like White Beard gas up a mid tier duel.
Haki itself isn't a special power that is exclusive to an individual. Haki can be trained and developed and honed through battles and it can grow but it's something anyone can do. The same thing applies to ACoC with a small exception of having to have CoC, any one that has CoC can learn to use it and grow it. Now you said we don't know if Shanks is a Swordsman but we do. Every time we have seen him Shanks has always used his swords in any type of combative situation. He used to have *duels* with Mihawk and Shanks is considered a Rival to Mihawk. Unless in the future Oda explicitly shows or explains how Shanks isn't a Swordsman saying otherwise is just plain lying.
"You said If we add things like Plot and narrative implications" but that's why the video is doing. There is nothing in the Plot or narrative for Shanks to be stronger than Mihawk and everything is in Mihawk's favour. Just simplifying each of them in 1 point for Plot we know Zoro wants to be the World's Strongest Swordsman hence why diminishing the value of the title goes against the plot and for Narrative we know Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman who has better "Sword Skill" than Shanks, the narrative literally is saying that Mihawk is above Shanks. Even if you don't wanna accept that Skill is referring to their strength you can't deny that there has never been a point in the story where Shanks is stated to be better than Mihawk in anything.
Everything you mentioned was clearly addressed in the video and you don't have a valid argument against any of them except not wanting to accept things at face value and hoping for a non existing powers and fighting style for a guy who has always fought with a Sword.
@@tsujan3984 In regards with your 1st point, I addressed it already. And consider that Mihawk fits the "strenght" that the Yonko needs, he is being shown as a top tier with yonkou potential.
2. Why should we consider that his haki is stronger? I mean, it could hapoen. But also the Gorosei could be yonkou level. Or Imu could be transgender. Or Dragon could be weak af. We just don't know. What we **do** know is that Shanks has shown clear feats that separates him from everybody else hakiwhise, literally everyone else that is not Shanks didn't show something like this.
In regards to the point about "another power", apart from hax (which would be totally valid), what I meant is skills in other areas. Say Sanji's kicks or Jimbei's fishman karate. They are character with distinct fighting styles with abilities that are augmented by haki. Just saying Shanks could be, and most likely is, more than just a swordsman, different from Mihawk.
3. The duels. I'm not saying that those duels had no impact, stakes or were legendary. I'm saying that Shanks either was weaker than Mihawk at that point or, as I like to believe, he was holding back because his fighting style is broader in some way. We are talking about top tiers here, I'm sure that if idk Kaido fought Ryuma with a sword despite him not being a swordsman, that could be legendary because both are strong af.
4. I correct myself, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I meamt that Shanks isn't just a swordsman or used his sword in some way in which could be argued that is an added benefit, not the point of his fighting style.
@@tsujan3984 Finally, if it were that simple, the navy would flat out say that Mihawk is "stronger than Shanks" or something else. They specifically were meticulous in their wording, meaning that he is only confirmed to be better using his sword, which is completely possible and I believe it so. They didn't mention haki, speed, strength, anything else. It's true one needs haki to perform in the top tiers, but we don't know how much Mihawk has. And if we believe Shank's mastery to be haki, as the story suggest thus far, why didn't they mention that aspect in that chapter if that is supposed to be his strongest part? It was very precise wording.
And in regards of narrative we can have a whole discussion later if you want to
@@lautaroferrer2858
Lol, for the 2nd point you are making the exact point I'm making except yours isn't based on anything substantial. Mihawk could have stronger Haki than Shanks and probably does because he is "More Skilled" use of Haki is also a skill btw. Mihawk is the only living character that has created a black which is very highly likely based on Haki considering that coating a Haki temporarily creates a black blade, Mihawk is known as Hawk Eyes and Oda was considering to give him epithet of clairvoyant so you know he has one of the best CoO and he is the only living character that has achieved his dream/goals. He had kingly ambitions and he became the King. He IS the World's Strongest Swordsman who is "More Skilled" than Shanks so why would it be farfetched to say he has superior ACoC? But if we reverse it what does Shanks have against Mihawk. Was there any point in time that Shanks was considered better than Mihawk in anything? Shanks being stronger than Mihawk requires a wishful thinking of a fan for a special power for Shanks that isn't related to Swordsmanship. So, you are completely contradicting yourself at the same point.
And when you consider oh maybe Shanks didn't have a certain power or maybe he was weaker again plays with the concept of wishing that was the case. When White Beard himself used to fight with Rogger who knows what legendary means called the duel Legendary. Why would he hype up a duel between low level people? That just completely ignores White Beards ability to judge quality fights.
I think Mihawk is overall stronger, but with Shank's it feels more like a case of perfect counter, since it's a little too much of a coincidence that someone known as "the clairvoyant" has his rival be "the observation killer", so similar to Luffy vs Enel, and maybe during their younger rivaling years, Shanks and Mihawk had a perfect matchup, where Shanks wasn't quite as good as a swordsman, but his observation killing gave him an edge that could actually push Mihawk. the deal also with zoro is how Zoro is not as good with observation, which means that the expectation for zoro is to surpass Mihawk with pretty much raw strenght and technique
Nah, thats likely the only reason the fight is even close. I think Mihawk would stomp low-mid diff if shanks couldnt stop his obv haki tbh.
Bro you crazy shanks is stronger
bro your right because he's the strongest SWORDSMAN that means he's the STRONGEST CHARACTER!
Bro he's chopping up Kaido, he's chopping up Whitebeard (he's the world strongest kabob now), and he's COOKING ALL THE ADMIRALS with one hand!
I understand why Kaido didn't acknowledge Mihawk... it's cause he surpasses ROGER himself
I know why BOTH Akainu and the Gorgesi only freaks out when shanks moves and not Mihawk... it's cause DRACULA D.!!!! Is too strong! Emu is shivering in his boots!!!!
Joy boy is waiting for Mihawk to move!!!
Still negs shanks. Idk why ur being sarcastic when you have no argument
@izzybar9470 im not though im srs
@@izzybar9470neg? Bro that's giving me brain damage do you even know what "neg diff" means 💀
@@izzybar9470saying mihawk "negs" shanks means mihawk beats shanks with zero difficulty.
You know what I'm tired of mihawk vs shanks debate eos zoro will be stronger than both
Sooooo Kaido stronger than Mihawk ?
Mihawk might be stronger but Shanks is still just better. (We’ve seen so little of them so my opinion is subject to change lol)
This is an important thing many people can't accept. Power does not necessarily make a good character.
Shanks being weaker in combat does not make him a worse character than Mihawk in any relevant way at all.
But most shonen readers/watchers honestly just think on the level of "This is my favorite character, so I want him to be the strongest."
In a way, a lot of Shanksfans REDUCE Shanks meaningful character traits by that. I mean, just look at chapter one. We quickly learned that Shanks is the type of man to sacrifice himself for the younger generation happily. If him losing his arm didn't heavily nerf him, then his sacrifice would be meaningless. So Shanksfans arguing that Shanks, who rivaled Mihawk closely BEFORE LOSING HIS ARM is somehow above Mihawk nwo that he is crippled, losing his PRIMARY ARM because Shanks was left handed, they are literally devaluing Shanks determination to sacrifice his own potential to save Luffys future potential.
So to me, people that argue Shanks > Mihawk aren't even real Shanks fans. Because they don't understand how significant Shanks sacrifice is to why we like him and why it is important to his character that he actually gave up his own maximum potential back then.
Anyways, my point is, accepting that Mihawk may be stronger and you still like Shanks more makes you smarter than most vocal Shanksfans online are honestly.
They both have room to grow in the character department but Oda saving it for later. Strength wise tho we all know who on top
@@TheRanOfGod
Exactly, Shanks can go in soooo many directions honestly, it could be crazy.
Mihawk I think has less options, pretty much none, he will always be the stoic "suffering from success" type, but we may explore that aspect further, thus building his character further as we better understand his inner struggle with never finding a challenge anymore.
And also, if you didn't know, in the Perona novel, which is canon, we get some info on what happens in the timeskip where Perona and Zoro live with Mihawk.
And Mihawk planted a Cocoa tree because that's Peronas favorite foodstuff and he kept it a secret because he wanted to surprise her q.q
Mihawk has a soft core, at least for Perona lol.
The middle finger to Shank's simps. But by the end, both Mihawk and Shanks will be a stepping stone for Zoro and Luffy.
Idk man. All your arguments were very good (you made one mistake bc you said Mihawl and Ryuma were the only ones who had black blades but Oden and now Zoro did too). For me i personally put Shanks above everyone in the verse atm. My top ten list in the end of all of one piece is
1. Black Beard
2. Imu
3. Luffy
4. Akainu
5. Shanks
6. Rocks
7. Dragon
8. Roger
9. Garp
10. WB
And btw top 1 wouldn't beat anyone here easily. Every fight here is extreme diff, even 10vs1 is extreme diff. I realize that this lost is very very biased but that's just my thoughts.
The thing is in the end Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk and I just don't see Zoro being stronger than Shanks I'm sorry. It would be a difficult fight for Shanks but i just can't put endgame Zoro, therefore also Mihawk above Shanks. My only argument would be that Shanks wasn't in his prime when he fought Mihawk but as I said i can't really argue against any of your points but my personal bias just doesn't let me believe that Zoro could beat Shanks in the end so idk. If it is ever revealed that Mohawk is indeed stronger, I'll go back to this comment and reply "🤡" to myself but for now nothing can convince me
Oden never had a black blade and Zoro only got his from Ryuma
What? I respect your opinion even if I disagree but the thing you pointed out where Oden and Zoro having Black Blade is completely wrong. Oden never had a Black Blade that was made very clear in the beginning of Wano where 'the dude' said not even Oden as strong as he was, was not able to forge a Black Blade, so now it's up to Zoro to make Enma Black Blade by the end. And the sword that Zoro had Susui was forged by Ryuma and not Zoro. Getting your hands on a Black Blade isn't a feat making one is. Which means Mihawk and Ryuma are the only two known characters in OP to have been able to do that. Oden couldn't and Zoro hasn't yet.
Mihawk was around 27 while shanks was around 22 when they used to duel. We can talk all we want but we will be surprised in the end :)
You can’t even state the level of Hawkeyes conquerors versus what we seen from red hair that’s the sad part about this whole video as well. You can’t even state why he could not stop or why crocodile halted him. Hawkeye is under the admirals. They see him red dog made the same statement to one of the warlords their dogs to the military.
If king is a swordsman than so is general franky
king isnt a swordsman
bro can you review the one piece manga weekly
Haven’t watched shit but Dragon>both.
nobody knows because there isn't enough information on either side. Regardless of your opinion, there just simply is next to no evidence and anything beyond what we know rn is a massive leap in logic. Nobody can say they know better because we aren't Oda. And nobody is going to know until he reveals it so tbh I don't know why anyone is even talking about it. Power scaling doesn't work in One Piece because One Piece isn't about the fights like it is with DBZ. The fights are more like a character study rather than an actual test of skills so people are already framing this argument wrong to begin with. Argue all you like but you aren't the author and just because you feel strongly enough about it, it doesn't matter because fights are about character development and plot development. If Oda wants to he could make them completely even or hell they could both die before they are ever shown their skills in comparison to each other just to piss off power scalers. Just wait to see like everyone else because you are never going to actually guess it because its not like a real fight of skill.
I think if its life or death Shanks wins ez.
I mean he has a whole as crew of strong pirates to jump the guy with. Thats why he is stronger because every 1v1 becomes ez if you go 10+ v 1. Mihawk has no shot of defeating Shanks plus crew and thats the only reason Shanks is stronger.
But Shanks is a Hakiman
I think Mihawk is stronger but wasn’t when shanks had his arm. I think this is why he’s so lonely and hurt. He had a rival who pushed him and he lost that rival because the rival chose someone else. It could add a lot more meaning to Mihawk as a character and what he wants to do.
I think they would have to have been relative to each other, if Mihawk had been unarguably weaker and lost the duels he would not have gotten his title
@@Aw3someGermanyI’m saying they were equal then shanks lost some power
Very good arguments however shanks is said to cancel our observation haki and is speculated to have the strongest conquerors haki in the world, two things that are hard counters to Mihawk. I believe Mihawk is the stronger swordsman but I don’t think he’s the overall stronger pirate. Lastly, I don’t think shanks being a bit stronger than mihawk in no way diminishes zoro’s goal.
Shanks is a swordsman. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. How would Shanks be a stronger pirate? Is pirate a fighting style now?
It would invalidate Zoro's goal if there was a swordsman stronger than Mihawk.
Why must one be stronger? Power scaling is dumb
Funny af that people believe Oda lied to us all for 20 years.
Mihawk clear😂
luffy ate the gomu gomu no mi. Big ass lie brother
@@hwaryun7042 that's not the same thing and you know it
@@infamousknight6265fr bro coulda made at least a decent example 😂
nah dude, the whole "but Shanks is a swordsman" argument is jut stupid
@@abeldnite it’s really not when the author has him using a sword in every panel he even has a data book saying it I mean how can you argue with oda I don’t get it
Im sorry but there are too many contradictory statements in your marineford defence. You say, Mihawk only uses nevessary force, next you show him cutting the huge glacier with a hit he intended for luffy. You reference the breath of all things… only to not explain why a cut meant for rubber cut ice. The rest of the video is near perfection but these defences sound like cope.
I think no one will downplay Mihawk once he fights Zoro. He is definitely going to pull out some crazy stuff when that happens
so true. Also if mihawk is a fraud then zoro is also a fraud because ZORO HIMSELF cant even CATCH Mihawk
if Zoro beats a character, then the fandom will claim anyone can do it
I hope we see him destroy someone powerful first bc it would be lame if we didn't see him fight until Zoro
you think this is bad? wait for the end of the series. Zoro vs Law is going to break the internet💀 "law is not a swordsman" will start trending globally just wait for it
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Why would ODA ever introduce the concept of Mihawk vs shanks , if later just to say that shanks is not a swordsman....
Shanks is the only Rival of Mihawk that we know of ofcourse he is a swordsman ....
Ppl just hate the fact that someone could be stronger than Shanks, since his potrail has been unparallaled for the whole story, but at the end of the day Shanks will be surpassed by Luffy and Zoro will surpass Mihawk, does it really matter if Shanks is weaker, and he's probably still very close to mihawk even with just one arm, Mihawk just has to be the strongest tho otherwise Zoro's dream is a scam.
Yes, like...oda is literally telling you that shanks is an swordman by doing a rivalry with mihawk. Otherwise mihawk wouldnt even be fighting him. Is just that simple but people wanna cope and not take oda serious.
@@juannunez4436 i told someone this and he said that because they are not rival anymore, shanks is no longer a swordsman
@@Dave_of_Mordor HAHAHAHA, omg. Those dudes..
You're an idiot, try to learn about arms.
I had always thought either shanks = mihawk or mihawk was above shanks cause so far in the story nothing implies that shanks is superior to mihawk in terms of strength. I wonder though is mihawk more or less powerful than old whitebeard because he was still considered the worlds strongest man before his death
Shanks is not Luffy’s end goal. Mihawk is Zoro’s.
Therefore Mihawk is going to be stronger than Shanks…because he’s going to be faced after
@@mrbubbles6468 I don’t disagree mihawk > shanks
Higher bounty, 1cm taller
Shanks can take mihawk's title if he fight him, mihawk just dodge every potential fight
@@victordurand3000 You do realize Mihawk’s Entire dream is to loose right? Also oda said in a deta book Mihawk can tell the opponent’s strength Raleigh is also able to do the same thing. Mihawk literally looked at current day Shanks and thought he was not worth fighting anymore
@@victordurand3000Mihawk already fought a legendary battle with Shanks. Not to mention he already pulled up on Shanks before. He also chased down Don Krieg because he was bored. Pulled up to Marineford presumably because he was bored. He’s honestly taken every chance to be in a fight that he can up to this point. Why would he be dodging Shanks?
MIHAWK>SHANKS
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Mihawk isn’t interested in being a yonko as well , he said it out of his own mouth ( you should’ve added that panel as well in the video)
Mihawk is similar to whitbeard
Yeah because he never could ever be a yonko
@@randoricochet he is 3.6 b without crew solo and his bounty will updated if he moved
@@saidbachlil2612 Except for the simple fact that Ben Beckmann could beat mihawk. There’s a true difference between being a “rival” and actually being able to injure shanks which only one person has and that’s Blackbeard
Kid and Law are “rivals” to Luffy but are they even close to him in strength? Obvious the fk not
@@randoricochet bro mihawk is high yonko lvl equal to shanks and soon you will lose this debate
What’s interesting is that people claim shanks got stronger after he fought mihawk, which could be true or not but couldn’t mihawk have also gotten stronger in the same period of time
People are just blinded by agenda bro its hilarious 😂
Not here to argue who’s stronger. There are hints that Shanks got stronger overtime based on feats and statements like becoming a Yonko or only having a billion berry back then comparable to commnders. Sure, both of those doesn’t automatically signify their power level, but it can be a factor. Plus, superior haki and combat feats are seen more with one arm Shanks vs two arm. Not to mention Oda’s statement about losing an or NOT making him weaker.
@@mstr293 we haven't seen anything from two arm shanks other than conquerors haki n losing a arm
@@mstr293look man i don't know why people think that loosing your ability to do two handed attacks would not make you weaker.
Shanks has feats, mihawk slashes icebergs and had to use yoru against vista, his only fight in the series besides zoro
I don’t think it should be an argument as to who’s stronger until it’s stated that shanks is no longer a swordsman. I don’t see any reason to doubt Mihawks title and zoros ambition demands that mihawk is truly that guy. Shanks fans can never give proper arguments as we haven’t seen or heard enough about shanks to say he’s stronger than the literal strongest swordsman
smart comment in a retarded herd....i too have same feelings
Shanks is confirmed swordsman in sbs 101
The swordsman argument doesn’t matter considering that Mihawk doesn’t think of handicapped people as worthy of challenging him for the title. Coming from the same guy who accepted a far weaker pre-ts Zoro’s challenge.
@@mstr293 zoro was younger and he liked his determination. That's why he accepted the challenge, just to show him the gap between him and his dream as world strongest swordsman
@@mstr293 Yes there’s is a difference between being challenged by a weak healthy person and a strong injured person he doesn’t want to fight a handicap that has nothing to do with power
This is the best breakdown of mihawk vs shanks ... but sadly no matter how clear it is people will still use their Headcanon and act like its canon. Ignoring canon info for the sake of agenda ... So far in the story all canon info indicates Mihawk > Shanks but not a single canon info that indicates Shanks > Mihawk!
Goda does thsi intentionally.I personaly IS a Shanks fun but i see him being weaker than mihowk in a on on one fight
Canon info will also point out to you that mihawk stopped fighting shanks when luffy was a kid the moment shanks lost his arm. 5 years after that he became a yonko at this point in the story shanks has been a yonko for around 8 years and compared to the top tiers, while everytime they give props to mihawk they mention shanks.
@@olegariocarrillo1416 who gave props to mihawk while mention shank?
@@Dave_of_Mordor more than half the time shanks is hyped up by other characters they bring up how he fought shanks. They don't bring up mihawk much at all when shanks is on screen.
@@olegariocarrillo1416 but who?
This is my problem with the Mihawk and Shanks debate. The leaps in logic Shanks' stans use are genuinely crazy. To avoid admitting Shanks is weaker, they use giant leaps in logic, such as haki is its own fighting style, despite haki being a supplementary power source. A supplemental power source every top-tier swordsman already uses. So somehow, Shanks uses a power that all of his contemporaries use, but that is enough to separate himself and not them? Meanwhile, swordsmen like Fujitora and Law, who both use unique abilities, and their blades, being used almost exclusively as conduits for their abilities, are still swordsmen, but Shanks is not? All because he uses a power everyone else does? That doesn't make sense.
This logic seeps into other debates involving Shanks. His stans also refuse to accept that Kaido is superior despite the manga repeatedly highlighting Kaido's individual strength time and time again. In a straight-up fight, the narrator says to bet on Kaido; or Kaido himself is flat-out called the strongest pirate by Killer (LOOK AT AUTHOR'S INTENT). And the multiple external pieces of information crowning Kaido as the mightiest.
The Mihawk vs Shanks debate is tiring because one side refuses to admit they're more leaps in logic to crown their Shanks as superior. A Mihawk vs Shanks debate is really Mihawk's strength vs Shanks' popularity.
Something on the Kaido being superior it's that Shanks and Kaido haven't fought eachother all out seriously as far as we know. Also although Killer says he's the strongest pirate he atp still has yet to go up against Blackbeard, Shanks and Bigmom himslmelf. Kid fought a BM commander, they didn't even get to see Shanks when Kid lost his arm and they've never seen Blackbeard or his crew ever I don't even think they've spoken
@@itssome_gent1311 Please refer to what I put in the brackets. We know Killer hasn't fought other Yonko, but why would Oda put this statement here if it meant nothing. The intent is obvious.
He could've put it there to show what Killer and some other people may think but it doesn't mean he is the strongest just that in Killers head and experience he is the strongest not to mention he could just be refering to Kaido being one of the strongest not THE strongest. It's the same as Crocodile saying Akainu is the strongest around w/o ever seeing any other string people fight.
Shanks uses conquerors Mihawk doesn’t boom shanks>mihawk
@@itssome_gent1311 crocodile literally faugh whitebeard in his prime and that’s how he got his face scared
I'll be honest Shanks portrayal has been exponentially better than Mihawks and his Marineford performance was pretty poor but justified. However it is clear Mihawk is stronger and the recent reveal of his bounty plus the mention of Shanks in that announcement is literally full confirmation. I think it is extremely close but Mihawk wins every time. Oda does need to show us some Mihawk 1v1 feats and better portrayal however so I can see why people aren't so hyped about him. He hasn't done shit apart from be the worlds greatest swordsman which is enough but not enough at the same time.
Shanks had a duel with Mihawk while he had his title and Black blade and left with no scratches or scars
@@wyldezone9111exactly
@@wyldezone9111who came out unscathed? Shanks or Mihawk
but what do you want mihawk to do exactly? his only role in the story is to be zoro's "final boss". what more is he supposed to do? he isn't after one piece, he has no friends, and no other interests besides fighting shanks level opponents and drinking wine. shanks on the other hand had to be active because he is responsible for creating the future pirate king and he is after one piece, so of course oda is writing him in more. however this is not an excuse to say that shanks is better than mihawk. it is the fans job to properly analyze and use our critical thinking skills to determine who is the strongest, and it not even that hard to figure out who. it should only take you 3 sec to know who it is if you have been paying attention and not just skimp through the manga looking for fights. you guys are acting like it's a calculus problem.
@@Dave_of_Mordor He needs to actually have feats for Zoros win to be credible or for anyone to care. Oda fumbled big time by not having more characters vying for the WSS.
This video is a big L for King of Lightning. I'd like to see a response from him.
So, to summarize your video Shanks didn't get stronger in the last 12 years and even if he did, he is still weaker compared to Mihawk since he is a swordsman.
exactly
Good job having 4th grade reading comprehension.
missed most of the important stuff
Why Mihawk beats Shanks.
No this isn't a post based on the lore implications that Mihawk would beat Shanks considering they are both swordsmen yet Mihawk holds the title of the world's strongest swordsman. No this is taking a deeper look into all discernable information and feats they've both shown (maybe just a little lore will be used, we'll see)
So both of these characters have shown the debatably longest range of each type of Haki:
• Mihawk- Used Armament haki internal destruction to cut the frozen tidal wave/tsunami at Marineford
• Shanks- Used Conquerors haki infusion to scare Greenbull across Wano
• Side note- Enel showed the furthest range of observation haki (although his was amped by his devil fruit more than just the mastery itself)
Now, why does Mihawk beat Shanks? To put simply... stamina; Shanks has to use to much Haki to keep up with Mihawk that he could never last long enough.
Take for instance, when it comes to power, Mihawk is able to deal stronger attacks without effort, as his "world's strongest slash" he sent across Marineford to "test" Whitebeard did not use emission or internal destruction. We know this because of the difference between the slashes. When he cut the frozen tsunami, there wasn't a flying compressed air flash, the slash was more or less invisible, the cut appeared on the ice and gradually traveled through it before cutting it. However, the world's strongest slash sent a compressed air slash that even Zoro was able to preform at a lesser degree since Skypiea against Ohm. So casually Mihawk can attack at that level casually without utilizing higher forms of haki.
Shanks on the other hand, has only shown that level of power with infusion when he clashed with whitebeard. We know he was using infusion because the clouds split, exactly how Oda has always shown Conquerors haki at a Supreme level clashing.
Conquorer's haki and Infusion uses more stamina than Armament haki and internal destruction. While Infusion would most likely be stronger than Mihawk's base armament haki, Mihawk can then step it up and close that gap with ID, which is contextually more dangerous than infusion which just increases attack power, while ID ignores and bypasses defense all together. Shanks would then need to use armament imbuement haki to then close the gap and keep up, however Shanks would be using way to many forms of haki as buffs:
• Infusion just to close the gap and most likely surpass Mihawk's base that is stronger let alone that Mihawk's sword is of a higher grade than Shank's and subsequently stronger itself
• Armament to close the gap of Mihawk's internal destruction
• More infusion to prevent Mihawk's internal destruction from reaching him
• More conquorer's haki to cancel out Mihawk's observation
Versus Mihawk, who's blade is permanently black, therefore does not need to use any stamina to use Armament haki and either none or a negligible amount of stamina to utilize emission and/or internal destruction.
Even if we assume with all that, Shanks is temporarily stronger. Shank's only win condition is if he can finish the fight quickly, which, there's no evidence suggesting the power gap would be large enough to do so, nor Mihawk lacking in stamina for extended durations.
I ain’t reading all that
@@mubarak6391 nobody asked you
So how do you feel about Kaido's statement that haki transcends all because to me that means the world's greatest swordsman is better with the sword but can still lose to a haki master that happens to use a sword.
@@Chaosking707 strongest swordsman doesn't mean you are the strongest person ever. Also, strongest includes both power and skill in the potential duel. It doesn't have to be an even distribution of both, one can be more skillful than the power they can generate and vice versa. Whatever allows them to win in a fight against someone else whom also uses a sword. So let's say in the instance someone like whitebeard decides to pick up a sword, while he might be able to generate the most power, he doesn't have the skill with a sword specifically to beat mihawk. Tashigi might (not saying she does) have better swordplay than mihawk, but would still lose due to the gap in power and speed. Hakuba might be faster, but mihawk is fast enough and has good enough reaction to keep up that that advantage wouldn't be enough to be a deciding factor but Mihawk's superior strength would secure him the victory.
@@Chaosking707 If haki "is all" as you say, doesnt it mean that to become the worlds strongest swordsman you need the strongest haki... If Shanks had stronger haki than Mihawk, Shanks would be the strongest, not Mihawk. But thats not the case, so Mihawk has stronger haki.
A power battle doesn't work in the same way a swordmanship battle does. I think Shanks gets hard countered by Mihawk, but Shanks should perform better than Mihawk against devil fruit users. Like, a much weaker Blackbeard scarred Shanks with an edged weapon, and a freaking sea monster took his arm, those things would never happen to Mihawk.
Nothing but the truth brother!
Great video. It’s crazy that people still think Shanks is superior to Mihawk. Brannew specifically states Mihawk is superior to Shanks. “With greater sword skill than even red hair the emperor. As the strongest swordsman he is worth 3.59 billion berries.” Like that’s so easy to understand.
As someone who isn’t really all too much into Powerscaling you brought up good points.
I still think they’re close but it would definitely make more sense for Mihawk to be sttonger than Shanks for the story and Zoros dream.
Great video!
Not really! The argument of Zoro having to go after Shanks really doesn’t hold up as Mihawk himself doesn’t consider handicapped people as worthy of the WSS title. Zoro and other strict swordsmen would most likely share similar sentiments. Based on Kuina’s story, it seems the same is true for swordswomen.
A better way to defend Jozy blocking Mihawks attack is that Mihawk was just testing White beard. He wanted to see if the old legend still had it and had no interest in actually stopping the war. That's why Mihawk sends a one handed half assed attack that wasn't even named to see what White beard would do. Jozu ended up blocking it but the struggled quite a lot.
You forgot to address the fact that he is the only known person alone to publicly hunt marines.
marine hunter as said in the video
1. I don't doubt that Shanks is a swordsman, or that swordsmanship is a significant enough aspect of his style to be a swordsman. But there's no reason why Mihawk can't be stronger at swordsmanship than Shanks or any other swordsmen, while Shanks is still stronger as an overall combatant because of his use of other combat skills besides swordsmanship. Zoro being a superior and stronger at swordsmanship does not in any way contradict the notion that Shanks could be a more powerful overall combatant.
2. Hakiman - I would not refer to it as hakiman personally. But Shanks has simply, up to this point, shown far superior haki to Mihawk. It's not even close. Shanks has shown the ability to see 10+ seconds into the future, something that blows away even the best future sight we've seen from various other characters. There's no question Mihawk will excel at haki as well, but we can't just automatically assume he will have that level of haki. Shanks' relaxed haki had Jozu groaning, the same Jozu who stood up to Mihawk at marineford, and whose inferior also stood up to Mihawk in the same war. There was no reaction towards Mihawk's haki from either Jozu or Vista. I agree that haki is a big part of any fighter in One Piece. But Shanks takes it far beyond the normal concept of usage. Mihawk having excellent observation haki would hardly be surprising. Mihawk having king's haki would hardly be surprising. But this doesn't in any way make it likely that he will be on par with Shanks in haki.
3. Strength vs. skill. Really, all your argument here suggests is that sometimes, the Manga uses the word skill to describe strength. Both strength and skill are words that can and often are used to mean multiple different things. It doesn't mean every time you say strength, you mean physical strength. It doesn't mean every time you say strength, you mean overall power. It doesn't mean every time you say skill, you mean a specific skill a character has. It doesn't mean every time you say skill, you mean strength. But what Shanks > Mihawk fans are talking about when they say skill, is a specific skill, and that is a mastery of swordsmanship style, techniques, footwork and all the things that commonly go into specific swordsmanship mastery. Similarly, even in our world, we often use the word strength when really we're talking about a specific skill or attribute. 'He's a strong hitter' in baseball is very commonly used when talking about the skill a player has with the bat. It is also commonly used when talking about a power hitter. It can be used for both.
4. I don't really see how you effectively countered the Jozu and Vista points. You said if Mihawk could have defeated Jozu in that slash, he would have. But this doesn't make any sense. Mihawk intentionally sent this slash to Whitebeard with the intention of measuring how they compare. It may have not been his absolute most powerful technique, but characterizing it as effortless for him is also a stretch when Mihawk himself intended to use it as a measure of how he compares to Whitebeard.
The main thing here, is that Shanks one shotted Eustass and Killer at the same time. Even if Jozu is tougher defensively, Eustass is an entirely different level stronger than Jozu. And Jozu didn't only block this because of his durability. He is specifically shown using his arms to deflect the blast.
For Vista, you involve quite a bit of speculation here. You say he was holding back - this was literally never stated and just minutes before that said he wasn't going to hold back in going after Luffy. Vista is his obstacle in doing so. You even say Mihawk effortlessly held Vista at bay. Okay, but why did Vista not effortlessly keep Mihawk at bay in the same way?
You say Mihawk was staring at Vista the entire time, but this too is speculation. He's shown staring at Luffy for one panel. Mihawk vs. Vista was happening for more than a chapter.
And, fact of the matter is, Eustass and Killer combined are significantly more powerful than Vista. Shanks could be holding back and still easily defeat Vista with no or low difficulty. This is not the energy Mihawk had with Vista whatsoever. Mihawk said he would be a fool to not know about how skilled Vista is, then fought evenly with him, and then suggested to postpone their duel.
5. I feel the Mihawk => Shanks arguments have a couple of double standards. When the notion of different interpretations enter the equation - i.e does the title mean stronger overall or stronger only at swordsmanship, or what 'strength' really means here, it's 'No, it says strength. It's to be interpreted at a surface level with no context'. When speculation about Shanks' other abilities, or when it's brought up how Shanks effectively may have disqualified himself for the running publicly due to his arm, it's 'No, this is what we were told on the surface, no speculation allowed'
But when it comes to why Mihawk couldn't cut down Jozu, all of a sudden context matters. It's not Jozu's overall strength that matters, but a specific ability tailored to counter Mihawk's sword slash. It doesn't matter that Eustass is stronger than Jozu, it only matters because Jozu has a specific skill that's measured outside of overall strength. This also directly contradicts your point on strength vs. skill. Even though this is just a specific skill Jozu has, according to your strength = skill argument, this would also just count as Jozu's strength. Jozu's strength nullified Mihawk's strength.
When it comes to Mihawk saying he isn't going to hold back against Luffy, speculation is not allowed. 'Oh maybe Mihawk meant this', despite nothing actually being stated to this effect. In fact, your argument practically proposes it's okay for us to believe that Mihawk said one thing but meant something entirely different when saying he wasn't holding back against Luffy. But it's wrong for Shanks > Mihawk fans to take a 'strength' interpretation as simply meaning stronger at swordsmanship, when this is literally how the word is sometimes used in our world as well? 'No ifs ands or buts' when Oda says one thing (and notably in a series where he very often puts the validity of titles in question), but when Oda says something else, it's 'Nah that's not what Mihawk meant'?
So which is it? Are we taking things at surface level, or is context allowed to be thrown in?
6. One point I like to mention in this discussion is, I feel Mihawk => Shanks fans really undermine what sword skill really is. Under your definition, what even is the point of being a swordsman? The actual skill has no real impact on what it means to be a swordsman under this definition. A character like Kenpachi could come into the universe of One Piece with no actual skill, and just because he'd defeat everyone, he'd be the strongest swordsman. What's the point then?
I just find it really hard to believe that Oda, a Japanese born individual where swordsmanship skill is an incredibly honored trait where people spend decades mastering sword styles, foot work and techniques, and a Mangaka who naturally has been inspired by many Japanese works, would consider sword skill really nothing more than brute strength. That Kenpachi could come into One Piece with a pool noodle, call it a sword and then beat everyone just by flexing reiatsu, and be considered the strongest swordsman.
It also means that Kaidou could pick up a sword randomly one day and decide to start using it in all of his match ups, and then he'd automatically be the strongest swordsman. Then what's so great about Zoro's title? Is there then really any difference between world's strongest swordsman and just world's strongest combatant?
7. Another point that I don't feel this video addresses - the biggest reason Shanks > Mihawk fans think Shanks is more powerful, is simply because Shanks is Luffy's benchmark. Even now with Luffy being yonkou level, Shanks has avoided directly meeting Luffy. Shanks is the character Luffy ties to his goal of becoming pirate king.
On the other hand, Zoro vs. Mihawk is very likely to occur around the same time, at the latest. Luffy will not be surpassing Shanks until about the same time, if not after, Zoro surpasses Mihawk. This is the most likely occurrence within the narrative of the story. Zoro vs. Mihawk will essentially have to occur in the epilogue for this not to be the case, and that simply doesn't make any sense.
All in all, I will say this: your video definitely makes some fair/good points. And I never blame anyone for thinking Mihawk is stronger. There are some valid arguments on that side, and despite everything I said, the fact remains that Oda could be thinking the way Mihawk => Shanks fans interpret it. I have no proof that he isn't. But there's no proof he is either. And Shanks > Mihawk fans make good points too
I don't think we're really going to know for sure until later in the series. I think when Zoro vs. Mihawk occurs will be very telling.
Either way, I love your input regarding One Piece. Haven't had a chance to check out most of your videos yet, but will be doing so. So far, I've enjoyed what I've seen
Edit: I forgot to mention, but I feel like both joyboytheories and hiddenisland have made good points on Shanks being > Mihawk. Joyboy mainly discusses the validity of news and titles within One Piece and how the information is often manipulated or come to be believed. Hiddenisland discusses how very possible it is that at one point, Shanks was primarily a swordsman but once he got his arm cut off, he stopped pursuing the swordsmanship title and decided to compete with Luffy for being Pirate King. I'm paraphrasing on both, but these are more or less part of the points they were making. You may have already watched these videos, but didn't see anything in this video that would counter their points. In fact I think hiddenisland's video may have been made after this
King is a swordsman, he is just dirty with it. He even says to Zoro "I also love a great duel" Great video Fiji love all your points. Only thing that is missing is addressing Crocodile v Mihawk in Marine Ford. Unfortunately some ppl use it to downplay Mihawk
Same logic breath of all things. He clashes with his iron/steel arm
mihawk vs crocodile is the funniest one cuz mihawk literally just blocks his attack lol
They are saying Mihawk could not one shot crocodile like he did mr 1
Bro ijust debat with someone said ben beckman will beat mihawk itold him mihawk is high yonko equal to shanks he is solo 3.6 b he will upgraded if he moved
@@saidbachlil2612they must be dumb because I don’t think Ben Beckman himself has a bounty over 3 billion with Shanks having a low 4 billion. The only vice captain I would think of having a bounty over 3 billion is Rayleigh. In his prime he was probably very close in power with Roger while Gaban was shown to be boxing with Oden to a standstill. With Rayleigh being that strong and the first ever pirate king’s right hand man while knowing about the void century would make him have a bounty over 3 billion. Ben Beckman is nowhere close to those feats as of right now
27:47 When Zoro gets his black blade in thriller bark he says something similar about shisui vs Oars. Black Blades are dangerous but that doesn t mean Mihawk cannot swing harder or add haki, the man was barely swigging his sword in marine ford
Shisui? This isn’t Naruto.
@@nydeity9100 yes it is. naruto is the strongest character is anime.
@@nydeity9100if you don’t know Shisui then you shouldn’t be watching this video because Shisui is the name of a blade Zoro was handed in Thriller Bark that was wielded by a legendary Wano Samurai known as Ryuma
@@nowabugale5951 Shusui*
Zoro is 1cm taller than Sanji and they are rivals. Zoro > Sanji
King is 1cm taller than Queen and they are rivals ig. King > Queen
Shanks is 1cm taller than Mihawk and they are rivals. Shanks > Mihawk
Unironically best argument for Shanks over Mihawk lmao. Mihawk doesn't view Shanks as a rival anymore though. King and Queen mirror Zoro and Sanji, while Mihawk and Shanks do not.
Oda: Mihawk is the strongest Swordsman, the Strogest Swordsman above all
Fans: Shanks is stronger
Mihawk dog walks Shanks.
THE DEBATE WILL NEVER END
It will when we see fp mihawk and fp shanks
either way mihawk is incredibly strong since zoro called s-hawk normal compared to mihawk and mihawk is legit zoros final challenge to be the best which means no matter how strong zoro is now its not as strong as mihawk and zoro will need to surpass him
It's simple, Shanks is the ideal Luffy is chasing, while Mihawk is Zoro's. That alone gives weight to Shanks being stronger. Also Shanks have a tendency to not flex is true power. Who says he goes all out against Mihawk? I'd put my money on Shanks
Mihawk also has a tendency to not flex his true power. Who says he goes all out against shanks
Shanks is not the man luffy is chasing , zoro need to beat mihawk jn order to be acknowledged as the wolrd strongest swordman,, while luffy even if he beat shanks he still won't be acknowledged as king of the pirate
Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman. Zoro wants to become the World's Strongest Swordsman. Zoro's end goal is immediately achieved by surpassing Mihawk.
Shanks is not the Pirate King. Luffy wants to become the Pirate King. Luffy's end goal is NOT immediately achieved by surpassing Shanks, a mere Yonko.
@@beepboop4833 Yeah and WB was the world's strongest man until Kaido became strongest creature. Oda usually has bad statements about strength
@@theanimedruid i think kaido was called world strongest creature when white beard was old and sick (just may opinion)
im very new to One Piece powerscaling, but ive always found it frustrating how it seems like everyone is GLAZING shanks to no end. feels good to see a comment section of people filled with common sense lmaoo W vid
Sorry but big mom is not a swords man
There's nothing to say Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. It's just his portrayal that gives us the impression that's more to him than meets the eye.
I'll give you some of my reasoning..and it's a lot to write..Of course, that's how i picture it, so it's a lot of headcanon.
Firstly, Oda stated right after the time skip that Luffy,Zoro and Sanji have different affinities for haki. Zoro's armament, Luffy's conquerors and Sanji's observation..
This affinity in my eyes dictates your potential in using your haki.
Conquerors is the strongest, and i don't think Zoro will be able to use it at the level of Luffy due to his affinity lacking..
That means he'll need to improve his armament to its perfection, because he can..That's how you get black blades.
If i don't spin it like this i can't grasp the idea that Rayleigh doesn't have a black blade, or even worse, a guy that's a pure swordsman, with the strongest haki of his era, the King of the pirates, Gol D Roger..and even Whitebeard i might add ass a sidenote.
Why is that Roger and Whitebeard don't have their weapons black? Well, because they are experts in advanced conquerors. That's how my headcanon goes.
In my eyes that already puts Mihawk a little lower in the power scaling debate.
Shanks is a pure expert of advanced conquerors..
Now, on to the worlds strongest titles that don't mean much....Whitebeard held his title for so many years, even though he was clearly not the strongest anymore..From my understanding, in the Ace novels it was stated that Kaido was already stronger than WB..
Now we have a conflict between WSM and WSC...We don't know when Kaido met Shanks, but we can suspect that he was impressed with Shanks in their bout before Marineford..Impressed him enough to put him in his top 5 , close to Roger,WB, Xebec.
Shanks in reality could be the true WSM, but in actuality we have the WSM in the shadows, Imu. The WSM title means nothing.
There's a shit show regarding the WSM title, so why not WSS?
I am of the idea that there's a difference between a sword fight and a sword duel..
In a sword fight you use everything you have at hand : haki, swords, guns, df's, explosives, technology, maybe combined with dirty tricks, kicks, etc.
A sword duel is just swords, haki, that's it.
In a sword duel should the WSS title be won or lost.
I don't like the idea of someone using a DF in a duel for the title.
If you use a zoan you might say it just improves your base stats, and that it should still be ok, but once you get to paramecia and logia it's a complete clown fiesta.
What if Zoro had Akainu's df in his duel with Mihawk? Yeah, they clash their swords while the ground catches on fire, a magma volcano errupts near the battlefield, magma meteorites fall out of the sky. That's not sword skill..and it shouldn't count..
Now, Mihawk is the best when fighting in a duel, but when it's outside it, who knows?
Would you like BM to take Mihawk's title because she uses a sword?BM: Ignore my df abilities dear Mihawk..Now i will take your title...while thunder, fire and everything under the sun besides the swordsmanship takes your life...What?
At the same time, i don't know how Mihawk is the true WSS..
If Zoro beats Mihawk before Laugh tale, that means there are a few more to challenge Zoro after Mihawk, so stronger than Mihawk...
Shiryuu would have to be one of them, but he has a df...
At the same time we can look at the bald Gandhi gorosei with the supreme grade sword..That one should be stronger than Mihawk too, to pose a threat to WSS Zoro.... and that one looks like a "pure" swordsman, but maybe he has something on top of his sword skill....
If Zoro beats Mihawk after Laugh tale, it would be humiliation on Zoros' part....
Luffy achieves PK, learns the true history. It would simply overshadow Zoro's dream..
That's why people cling to Mihawk so hard, because they think Mihawk will be Zoro's last fight in the series, which is clearly not the case...
They want Mihawk to be the strongest, otherwise Zoro's dream means nothing...
At the same time, it would be shallow if Mihawk was not the true strongest swordsman..but here we have that scapegoat..
If the swordsmen after Mihawk clearly have other things besides swordsmanship, haki, it's clearly not a duel, so Mihawks' reputation is not tarnished in the eyes of the fanbase.
Others might be above him due to other things outside of what you would consider a sword duel, as i stated above :"haki, swords, guns, df's, explosives, technology, maybe combined with dirty tricks, kicks, etc."
That's where i would put Shanks.
Sorry for the long read..
Edit: Shanks is 1 cm taller than Mihawk, Zoro is 1 cm taller than Sanji, King is 1 cm taller than Queen..XD I love the hints.
That's actually not a bad argument however what type dirty tricks or other things that is shanks using aging Mihawk because he doesn't have any df so idk
Wb is the strongest man yet he draw with a sick roger.. so don’t take the title seriously + shanks is like rayliegh he is a swordsman and can fight with legs.. last time shanks vs mihawk it was a draw that before 13+ .. hawkeye didn’t face a real challenge after shanks however shanks became a yonko in the process of that time & he has portrayal + haki > hawkeye & about hawkeye bounty he was a marine hunter thats 1 bill, and faced shanks many times thats 1 bill also and fought many swordsman thats 500 mill.. and he joined cross guild thats 1 bill.. Also oda stated that Vista in terms of skills is on par with maihawk so 😂😂
Rodger had a bigger crew, mihawk was fighting enemy's of the world government during that time and not trying
So that means vista is more skilled than shanks
@Kirin D. Dragon no that means skills doesn’t matter 🤣🤣🤣
Let’s say wb had a big katana instead of a glave when he fought oden in there first meeting in wano. And in this example oden was winning the sword clash and then wb just hit him with a gura punch and won. Oden was a more SKILLED swordsman than wb but wb was just stronger(this is a analogy). Thats how I think shanks vs Mohawk is, mihawk more skilled shanks is stronger so he would win 🗿
Agreed. I highly doubt Mihawk can do as much as Shanks can with haki but that weird haki aura and throwing haki like he did to Ryokugyu probably wouldn't matter much in a 1-on-1 fight against Mihawk
Why is mihawk called the worlds strongest swordsman and not the world most skilled swordsman
@@nyshyn307 thats probably just a small glimpse of what he can do coc haki wise. Plus he was miles away
@Billal Zerouali it is but my point is neither ability would be very useful in a close-up fight with someone who won't be paralyzed by CoC
Yeah and how is he going to use these special powers, are you going to make up a few for him? White Beard isn't a Swordsman Shanks is. White Beard relies on his devil fruit while Shanks doesn't have a devil fruit. And your ifs and buts are just you being wishful. Shanks as far as we know is or at least was Mihawk's rival who had multiple duels against Mihawk. Hence, he is a Swordsman who is inferior to Mihawk.
Another great video ......👏👏👏
Many people here are salty that Shanks is inferior to Mihawk. They just are in denial.
I hope Mihawk doesn’t have conqueror haki, and that he actually slapped all those other conqueror haki swordsman with just basic armament haki. makes him more badass and awesome.
I kinda think that Shanks is going to BECOME stronger or is still trying his best to be able to protect himself and his loved ones from threats, while Mihawk is complacent and stagnant.
I’ve always interpreted the exchange of Mihawk calling Shanks a “Washed up Hazbeen” is a parallel to Shanks in the bar at the beginning of the story, showing that he WASNT all talk, that his philosophy doesn’t only apply to those weaker then him, but those who have the edge over him as well.
That is to say; I believe that Mihawk IS stronger, but that Shanks has MUCH more desire to BE STRONG, which as we know is a BIG part of Haki Blooming/Haki Growth.
Mihawk is never going to grow any stronger then he already has, while Zoro, Luffy and Shanks, will continue to grow, and will surpass him… eventually.
My point is; Mihawk climbed to the top, and is just kinda sitting there, with no reason to try anymore. While all of our protagonists, Shanks included, have reason to grow; they travel, they fight, they overcome. Mihawk doesn’t SEEK more then he has, and so he will eventually be overshadowed by others.
But, for right now..? Mihawk is 99% more likely to be the strongest at this moment.
shanks has no reason to become stronger he already holds back a ton, and if he did he wouldn’t have given up his arm or his rivalry with mihawk
Mihawk has no feats but shanks one shoted kidd but i will say mihawk is stronger but i want to see more feats from mihawk
Final boss
bruh this is fijitora bro i couldnt find this channel at all
Shanks > mihawk
Use brain 🤓🧠
The funny part about the arguments used by Mihawk's haters when it comes to the Marineford war is that... If we use these same arguments with other characters who have fought in this war, they become utterly ridiculous. For example, I could argue that Sengoku is weaker than Fishman Island Luffy just because he didn't destroy a weaker Luffy (unable to defeat a pacifista at the time) with his punch. I could also argue that Doflamingo is weaker than any potent haki user just because he clashed equally with Crocodile (or didn't cut him), the same Crocodile who feared Luffy's wet fists at the beginning of the war. The Marineford war is an absolute mess when it comes to powerscaling. You can't use the Marineford war to measure the power of Doflamingo, Sengoku, or Mihawk. Same thing for the Navy admirals : why did they never knock out Luffy when they hit him ?
Agreed, Spot on evaluation_
Luffy got the plot armor
Doffy was just having fun.
Mihawk was just killing time swinging his sword randomly.
Anyone who uses this absurd feats for an argument and says Mihawk = Vista/ zoju etc is just really dumb or biased or a hater.
And a piece of advice - dont try to argue with this types of biased fan or a hater, you can never win. Lmao let the story do the talking.
@@knighteNo You're right. I shouldn't argue with biased haters. But I can't help myself ! See... When Mihawk wants to kill time, he swings his sword. When I want to kill time, I spread my comments on UA-cam and Discord.
@@toms6291 lol same here i do too.
Good video Radman