So there is a lot of people getting legitimately angry at some of the placements. I would like to restate that this is only my opinion, everyone may agree or disagree and that is fine, please don’t be rude and try to remember that it’s only a game and I made this for fun! Everything was taken from my own experiences from playing the game since launch, and playing through every single patch. Additionally, I missed out a couple of Kameos because the tier list I was using didn’t have them available and I accidentally forgot. Getting angry over a tier list is a little silly and just please try to be respectful because I don’t want any negativity! Thank you guys for understanding!
@TheDarkestMarcus I obviously labbed him and maxed him from day 1 sadly I dropped him soon after the play style is just not the same lol not downing him.. idk I might get back to him seeing Lotus is great fun though brings light to him for sure. 💯
my biggest problem with Cage is his mid. Why would you give character mid that is faster than Grab? This game have Grab combos, why are they adding so much dumb mix on top of mix?
the problem with Raiden is that he doesnt have good tools. Superman is slow and u cant even get optimal combos with it, teleport is way too slow, razzle dazzle is the most useless special move in the game, his projectile is also easy to FB and also the recovery is ass and the way they nerf stormcell was not smart. After the the nerfs people still put him high tier and now mid tier But believe me he is low tier like when u play against characters like Sindel or Kitana at high level it is a pain in the ass to win. the buff that Raiden really needs is faster teleport, like the mk11 which was 30 frames and his f21 should be safe and also that stupid 8 more frame recovery on superman should be reverted.
I always thought my main/raiden was average but now he feels so ass i had to delete the game ,i swear they nerfed his armor move and slowed down every other move its insanely hard to not get punished and he cant combo off nothing except double leg sweep ,they need to make his one move a overhead then low
there are so many tier list now and they do not look the same. its many opinions out there. Must mean that the game actually intend that u can play with almost every one ALMOST , the odds are small in the hi tier. I`s pretty cool. cyrax is nerfed at least in a way that Ninja killer did not like too i saw that vid. i like that u dont have Ashrah on the top 5, It`s actually easy to read her `mind games` and shes slow, on top of that then u must play careful with her, cuz now then u musty calculate further too when this is the case. shes getting more like S-s+ after liu Kang must be for me yh, Kensi and Rain too date, i think should switch on this list for my opinion. anyway good job and idk, thats my opinion, xD
Thank you for sharing your opinion! You’re right, the game is versatile and pretty much every character is viable, it’s just that the top tier are so absurdly strong that the rest struggle to keep up, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
As I said this is just my opinion, but if you look at pros tier list, they put both those characters at very similar tiers. Raiden has been nerfed 5 times, and it is very difficult to put him anywhere other than mid tier
Hear me out, safe for teleport it cues it's about to happen anyways so it's a fair balance, this wouldn't be broken because it's not like mk11 teleport which was more instant
Yeah bro that sounds awesome! You can hit me up on discord and we can arrange something! If you’re not in my discord channel, the link is in the description
@mikelmckenzie3042 what made him broken was his 11 string into f3 being a frame trap. It's gone. You can stop fighting this imaginary ghost. His d1 isn't even 6f anymore as well lol. Also, how is johnny being able to use multiple kameos and be good a bad thing? Really dude? That should be the goal for every character.
No it wouldn't liu Kang has a mid high string and he's consensus like top 10. She would barely drop in the list and she could use the fact that it's a high to mindgame
@@subscriberswithOnlyonevi-zm2ix liu has way better buttons. He didn’t just say make it a high he said slow down her back dash which is by far her best tool. The back dash nerf was what I was more referring to… she is not Liu when in your face
@AndrewPolidore she has better dmg than liu, has fantastic synergy with sub kameo which makes her zoning more oppressive, and also has a tool that gets u out the corner and ready to zone for free. There is no reason for he to be a top tier zoner AND have one of the best mids in the game AND have some of the best movement and dmg.
@@subscriberswithOnlyonevi-zm2ix they are both good but you are talking about nerfing her best attribute for a character i've never seen anyone complain about being too strong. liu has great damage and another fantastic mid that also breaks armor. i don't think either are in the nerf territory is my point
@AndrewPolidore liu isn't in nerf territory maybe but kitana is as she is better than liu. And I don't see anyone put kitana below the second tier of fighters.her zoning,movement,and dmg is absolutely worthy of a nerf she literally has everything.
So there is a lot of people getting legitimately angry at some of the placements. I would like to restate that this is only my opinion, everyone may agree or disagree and that is fine, please don’t be rude and try to remember that it’s only a game and I made this for fun! Everything was taken from my own experiences from playing the game since launch, and playing through every single patch. Additionally, I missed out a couple of Kameos because the tier list I was using didn’t have them available and I accidentally forgot. Getting angry over a tier list is a little silly and just please try to be respectful because I don’t want any negativity!
Thank you guys for understanding!
I think that Razzle Dazzle should have an armor or be 7 frames at start. Ideally both options at once
buff reptile.🙄🦎💯
Nerf nothing, buff only
I actually agree with this, nerfs make the game a struggle
I loved and mained Raiden in mk11. But in this new Era, I don't even like using him.
Same. His character and gameplay are completely different now.
@TheDarkestMarcus I obviously labbed him and maxed him from day 1 sadly I dropped him soon after the play style is just not the same lol not downing him.. idk I might get back to him seeing Lotus is great fun though brings light to him for sure. 💯
my biggest problem with Cage is his mid. Why would you give character mid that is faster than Grab? This game have Grab combos, why are they adding so much dumb mix on top of mix?
I completely agree, W take
the problem with Raiden is that he doesnt have good tools. Superman is slow and u cant even get optimal combos with it, teleport is way too slow, razzle dazzle is the most useless special move in the game, his projectile is also easy to FB and also the recovery is ass and the way they nerf stormcell was not smart. After the the nerfs people still put him high tier and now mid tier But believe me he is low tier like when u play against characters like Sindel or Kitana at high level it is a pain in the ass to win. the buff that Raiden really needs is faster teleport, like the mk11 which was 30 frames and his f21 should be safe and also that stupid 8 more frame recovery on superman should be reverted.
Absolutely 100% agree, everything you’ve stated I’ve thought this whole time!
W take
I always thought my main/raiden was average but now he feels so ass i had to delete the game ,i swear they nerfed his armor move and slowed down every other move its insanely hard to not get punished and he cant combo off nothing except double leg sweep ,they need to make his one move a overhead then low
Only thing i feel like should be changed is reptile should be S tier
there are so many tier list now and they do not look the same. its many opinions out there. Must mean that the game actually intend that u can play with almost every one ALMOST , the odds are small in the hi tier. I`s pretty cool. cyrax is nerfed at least in a way that Ninja killer did not like too i saw that vid. i like that u dont have Ashrah on the top 5, It`s actually easy to read her `mind games` and shes slow, on top of that then u must play careful with her, cuz now then u musty calculate further too when this is the case. shes getting more like
S-s+ after liu Kang must be for me yh, Kensi and Rain too date, i think should switch on this list for my opinion. anyway good job and idk, thats my opinion, xD
Thank you for sharing your opinion! You’re right, the game is versatile and pretty much every character is viable, it’s just that the top tier are so absurdly strong that the rest struggle to keep up, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
You forgot Janet cage? She’s s tier for sure
Damn I forgot both Janet and mavado, Janet is 100% S tier
One question, how can i get the past dark raiden skin?
There's no way kitana is top 5 lmao. Lao Kenshi, reiko, tanya, mileena, liu and ashrah are all better imo. The raiden downplay is wild too
As I said this is just my opinion, but if you look at pros tier list, they put both those characters at very similar tiers. Raiden has been nerfed 5 times, and it is very difficult to put him anywhere other than mid tier
@@Da_Lotus Ye, Ik hence I also said "imo," lol. I think they are both high-mid.
That’s a fair point, I really struggled with Raiden’s placement too lol
Hear me out, safe for teleport
it cues it's about to happen anyways so it's a fair balance, this wouldn't be broken because it's not like mk11 teleport which was more instant
sub overhead should not be safe 😭😭👎👎 ts has dumb range
I dunno, I think him having like the only unsafe overhead makes it a very difficult tool to use
I’d change it for a safe Overhead mid and make it a tad bit faster
Not bad
I’m doing a show that is half podcast and half MK1 gameplay and would like to offer you the opportunity to be a guest on an episode. 😁
Yeah bro that sounds awesome! You can hit me up on discord and we can arrange something! If you’re not in my discord channel, the link is in the description
@shinfitz hey brother, I’m not sure if you reached out yet, but my discord channel invite is now on my newest vid if you wanna reach out!
@@Da_Lotus I haven’t yet but I will this evening. Thanks for touching base!
ft5 ?
Just hit me up in discord, I’m always down for a set if I have time!
Insane johnny up play "barely been nrrfed" mfer they have nerfed him in basically every patch 😂
But the nerfs haven’t done anything cause what they did do wasn’t what made him broken it’s his plus strings and not really needing a kameo
@mikelmckenzie3042 what made him broken was his 11 string into f3 being a frame trap. It's gone. You can stop fighting this imaginary ghost. His d1 isn't even 6f anymore as well lol. Also, how is johnny being able to use multiple kameos and be good a bad thing? Really dude? That should be the goal for every character.
Johnny player crying
@@Da_Banan_Man I have literally not played johnny consistently since after the beta 💀💀
My goat is washed
That would murder kitana imo
No it wouldn't liu Kang has a mid high string and he's consensus like top 10. She would barely drop in the list and she could use the fact that it's a high to mindgame
@@subscriberswithOnlyonevi-zm2ix liu has way better buttons. He didn’t just say make it a high he said slow down her back dash which is by far her best tool. The back dash nerf was what I was more referring to… she is not Liu when in your face
@AndrewPolidore she has better dmg than liu, has fantastic synergy with sub kameo which makes her zoning more oppressive, and also has a tool that gets u out the corner and ready to zone for free. There is no reason for he to be a top tier zoner AND have one of the best mids in the game AND have some of the best movement and dmg.
@@subscriberswithOnlyonevi-zm2ix they are both good but you are talking about nerfing her best attribute for a character i've never seen anyone complain about being too strong. liu has great damage and another fantastic mid that also breaks armor. i don't think either are in the nerf territory is my point
@AndrewPolidore liu isn't in nerf territory maybe but kitana is as she is better than liu. And I don't see anyone put kitana below the second tier of fighters.her zoning,movement,and dmg is absolutely worthy of a nerf she literally has everything.
JC is not top 5, I will die on this hill 🗿
I believe you will die in this hill, and we will have to humbly agree to disagree
Kenshi is top 3, tanya is top 5, and ashrah is not top 10 and neither is Baraka
ashrah not top 10 is such a braindead take and not baraka? even tho cyrax is not nerfed? wasn't he top 1 when cyrax wasn't patched ? 😂
@@Civoker no, kenshi has been top 1 right until peacemaker released
@@Sixstix6 no dude everyone agreed baraka was top 1 before cyrax was nerfed
@Civoker literally nobody said that, ur argument wouldn't matter anyway since Raiden/cyrax was better then Baraka anyway
@@Sixstix6u don't even think ashrah is top 10 close ur mouth lil man