Every Faction Tries to Sell You A New Knight
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- On this episode, Brad and Eric o find out each faction’s best equivalent for one of the most iconic guys on the block, the Knights. Find out which models are good at being tall, looking good on the battlefield and losing some games.
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00:00 Intro
01:19 Da Rules
05:51 Space Marines
09:11 Grey Knights
11:26 Sisters of Battle
13:10 Adeptus Custodes
14:34 Imperial Guard
17:02 Adeptus Mechanicus
17:51 Chaos Marines
19:42 Chaos Daemons
20:53 Death Guard & Thousand Sons
22:23 World Eaters
24:08 Craftworld Aeldari
24:54 Drukhari
26:08 Tau
27:03 Tyranids
28:55 Genestealers
29:43 Votann
30:33 Necrons
32:57 Orks
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As a 40k enjoyer I already live at my mother's address and file all my complaints to her. Checkmate Poorhammer.
Basement dwellers rise up
I love that the design of the Stormsurge can be summarized as:
"So, how many missiles do you want?"
"Yes, plus an artillery cannon."
To be fair, this also describes every Ork vehicle ever.
So Tau ARE Zeon after all- they built the Zssa
@@datkat2001 For me, the Stromsurge is the Big Zam.
i has NO arms!
this is what i thought first time i saw the Y'Vahra "think we have achieved the maximum ability in terms of flight on our suits with the riptide" random eathcast engineer :"hold my beer"
Admech couldn't pass because they were too busy doing the homework for Knights/Chaos Knights
Yeah, why would Admech build a knight when they can just call on knights affiliated with them
We need a plastic brass scorpion.
Im still sad about not having a the Thanatar Siege engines in 40k
If only we had ordinatus or something...
AdMech has its own Knights, but mechanically they're souped in via the Imperial Knights faction.
Brad: "So what's the class got to show for a knight today?"
Grey knights: "I have the dr-"
Brad: "This is the fifth time you've shown off the nemesis dreadknight in class Grey Knights..."
Love the fact Grey knights is basically just Sheen from Jimmy Neutron in this.
It's not their fault they're a stub army. They have the same problem as Thousand Sons: GW made them their own army, without doing the work of actually expanding their model range to fit.
See also Flesheater Courts from Age of Sigmar.
@@Bluecho4 grey knights have essentially two models: man in power armor and man in baby carrier
@@Bluecho4 I wasn't trying to sound like I didn't understand why they were like this. If they've made anything abundantly clear, or the research of the person themselves, they have been neglected for awhile. It just is such a meme it can't be made without some love towards it.
There's plenty of models they've stated and have shown off are either the literal only units, or the only viable units towards an army. It's not Grey knights fault, yes. But is it hilarious that in videos about them or needing them to submit stuff, they keep referring to baby carrier? Yes.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Don't forget: Man in CHONK Armor.
@@Bluecho4 looking at the only good side here, it's at least somewhat lorefriendly that they need the Agents of the Empire and Knights to support their roster, being a specialized chapter and inquisition dogs and all. But just makes me think why did they not just made them part of the Agents instead of their own army
The 'Claw in CSM is actually terrifying, can confirm. There's a player in my LGS that has one and it eats damage and spits death. That, and it can deepstrike much more than you think it can.
I watched her brother sink his entire army's firepower into it, and it survived to return fire. Hilariously, she proceeded to roll too many ones to deal damage back, but it _can_ do horrible, horrible things in both melee and range.
You calling it the 'claw makes me hope that whenever it deploys she plays "The Claaaawwwwwww" from Toy Story.
@@VallornDeathblade I can confirm that this has happened, yes
Having to wait 6 months for Tyranid was almost on point with the Norn Emissary
Wonder what grade it would get.
It's noticeably smaller than the Dimachaeron
@@piecho99A-
As a slight off-shoot of everyone's rhino's I'd love to see 'everyone's transport'. Landraiders, rhino's, corvus blackstar, trukk, ect.
yes! including the drill thing
I guess Nids will need to use tryannocyte again
I read trukk as Tuk Tuk and Isyander's whole Tuk Tuk rant popped into my head for a split second.
@@Alpha-zb8sp Nids will show up with the Hierophant and trigger yet another Forgeworld rant
You want sisters to have a cathedral on a baneblade chassis? OK that would be cool.
It is a glorious idea. ... I wonder if someone could do something with like, a Baneblade, an Immolator turret and the Battle Sanctum... it's a lot to drop for a conversion though... but damn it could look incredible.
Also could be ripe for "11 Barrels of Fire And Brimstone" meme-ry.
I feel like I've seen a conversion like that somewhere...
God this is just making me want a giant Ironkin or mech for Votann so much more
@@TrippyTheShroom as per usual the newest army only releases with half their range, I would be surprised if they didn't get some love from GW in 10th
@@TrippyTheShroom I've been having heaps of fun with my 10 hearthguard since I got them :) hopefully with the release of a dreadnought equivalent, some more specialised infantry and vehicles and potentially a flyer (they mentioned gunships in the lore sections of the codex) the army will have a lot more going for it than heavy infantry/tank spam
I'd prefer three dwarves in a Trench coat.
Or just an armored walker where each one is above the other.
Only if it gets to ramble things like "DEATH IS A PREFERRABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM" and throw small nukes across the board.
Yes let's make voltann even more of a copy paste job of tau
We need a giant vect ship model like they used to have for dark Eldar
That was the time when Games Workshop put rules in the codex for a model they never made.
@@Somefurfag There was a huge GS Cult tank that was never made, a HQ piece, which was mentioned as a potential build-your-own in one of the old White Dwarf supplements. I don't recall the name, but I have a google for it and could never find anybody who ever built on.
My buddy found a fancy pirate ship the right size, added some dark eldar gubbins and BAM, Vect's ship.
He also used ww2 model planes with orky bits for a lot of his ork aircraft. It looked amazing.
I accept you don’t appreciate Forgeworld or flyers. For others, the idea for Space Marines was, that Timmy would want the Thunderhawk Gunship.
If that shit wasn't so expensive and in resin, sign me up for a thunderhawk
The problem is the thunderhawk is twice as many dollars and almost twice as many points as the Astraeus and is a plane, versus a hovering tank. The Astraeus is much closer to a knight role in point cost and playstyle.
Make it in (by comparison) affordable plastic, then you can use Forge World models as a Knight example.
I've been dreaming of a plastic Thunderhawk for over 20 years.
I would have put the brass scorpion in there for CSM. I know it comes from the unholy lands of forge world but it just looks sooo cool
Or the Lord of Skulls!
Or kytan ravager
They used to have a different version of the Brass Scorpion that was kitbashed from two Defilers as an official model in a GW book. It was only legal in Apocalypse.
Tyranids obviously have the Flying Hive Tyrant. it's pretty big and yes, I'll admit, made me a timmy.
I love the use of MtG personality and artwork for the guidelines. I mostly make my decks and armies with the Timmy mindset.
27:11 you weren't wrong. Norn Emissary looks stunning
I really love the Triumph of St Catherine and hope they made more of those.
It would be rad if they made a big diorama for the other swarm factions like gst or ig. Have your generals and genefathers have a personal retinue of guards that show what kind of leader they are.
See also Katakros, Mortarch of the Necropolis, from Age of Sigmar. An Ossiarch Bonereapers leader that's just a regular man-sized dude (more or less) surrounded by his attendants.
I don’t know about for other factions but it is great for Sisters. One of the pieces that sold me on them.
worth noting that the lord of skulls with legs is a whopping 50 cents more than the regular plastic kit, which I find absolutely hilarious
Now, how much longer would it take to put together than a plastic one?
One extra for the necrons is the Seraptek Heavy Construct from Forge world. Its one of my favorite necron units and I think it should get a mention despite it being forgeworld
Lord of skulls is probably the best one out of all of them
They could used the rule that ''humanoid'' wins against vehicle shaped things so they would not need to break their ouwn rules about legs being cooler than threads
No, first place goes to the Baneblade ❤
How about they tie?@@FullmetalTimo
Me: I wonder what they'll choose for nids there's so many options!
Poorhammer: proceeds to ignore all of the models I thought of off the top of my head
Im confused, why is the Trygon not a Tyranid knight? Its pretty huge
i had the same idea, tho i would have chosen the mawlock for more tyranid specific coolness
Trygons honestly probably one of my favourite models I may need another one it’s pure timmy.
I was thinking the same thing. Trygons were originally an Epic bug which was introduced into regular 40K at about the same time that the other big models started being introduced (outside of Forge World). So it fits in the general "mini-Titan" region of knights, wraithknights, XV100+ battlesuits, and the like.
Or a tyranofex?
@@wilbert1865 Feels more like a tank, although it does also look a bit like a smaller version of the big bio-titan (hierophant?) and they have counted tanks of other factions such as the Baneblade, so yeah, that can probably count.
I love the fact that you chose the Lord of Skulls model. It's so, 1980's and ridiculous and over the top, and everything that 40K used to be, but in the modern line. Love it.
It's even wilder that it was revealed in 2013. Whoever sculpted it knew what their job was and did it quite well.
Oooh given the genestealers' playstyle (the space version of Foot Clan ninjas popping out of a manhole) they could do a giant tunnelling drill (or sewer monster, dealer's choice) that's modelled like it's coming _out_ of a 160mm base; like it's emerging from a sinkhole or tunnel where most of the creature/machine exists in negative space under the terrain.
... okay I kinda want that now. ... also just someone's GSC army converted to be ninjas with guns.
I mean Imperial termite, mole and hellbore drilling machines were a thing in epic (think rhino sized, land raider sized and then baneblade size respectively)
After a shame delete:
I would mark the riptide higher than the stormsurge in the timmy appea, mostly because it has fuck-off guns *and* can punch.
Also because one suplexed a knight in the ciaphas cain books back when 6h ed rules allowed that because it was a monstrous creature.
I would say Riptide is bursting with Timmy vibes for sure. That huge cannon is way cooler than stubby missile-pods instead of arms.
For the thousand sons i think a better choice would be the Mutalith Vortex Beast, it might actually be bigger then the primarchs looks awesome and is fluffy
Damn, poor Tyranids. 3 months later, and they finally have an awesome entry
For nids I'm surprised you didn't pick the trygon. Them boys are pretty big, almost as big as a knight itself. Even has the bonus of being a heavy support.
In regards to the monolyth, you clearly did not play as necrons in Dawn of War: Dark Crusade.
There is just something so satisfying about turning your main base into a super weapon, and rolling up to the OTHER GUYS main base, and styling all over them.
The Lord of Skulls is 100% the best. Might be my favorite model in the game. I made mine with actual liquid fake blood in the tanks and it always manages to turn heads when I bring him out.
Amazing. Keep up the good work. Your my favorite warhammer game podcast.
I agree, I don't know why but I prefer this to adeptus ridiculous. I love both shows but this is my preference
Why didn't you use the Kytan or the Brass Scorpion for the CSM knight equivalent? Both of those are so much better than a Charybdis.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Stormlord variant of the baneblade with a vulcan megabolter, 40 infantry transport capacity, and a firing deck to let an embarked unit fire out of it.
It gives me very big Timmy brain.
I’ve built the space marine tank, several of the custodes dreads, but the tyranid one took the LEAST amount of clean up to to assemble and paint. Took less work then a gw imperial knight. First one had a pretty warped talon second one was perfect.
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this video was that if tau doesn't get full marks for the stormsurge, I'm going to be very upset. The tau did Knights better than the Knights.
we smart bois
Lord on Skulls is fine, but nothing cooler than the Greater Brass Scorpian
"It looks like the scorpion from Halo only MASSIVE"
Oh so the Grizzly from Halo Wars 1/2
*Much* bigger
for me wraithknight is the best, its sleek elegant and has a beeg sword
Well technically the Mechanicus knight is . . . A knight. Like knight of the Cog the mechanicus in the lore deploy a lot of knight houses for their purposes. Great video though love the content !
Grey Knight baby carrier is absolutely the worst example. I remember when I first came to this hobby and saw that mini, I laughed out loud and wrote the Grey Knights off permanently as a faction.
I have never met or seen someone who liked the model.
@@abrahamjohn7183 same. Every single person who owns it, owns it purely for Spike. Nothing more.
@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom Almost like they knew that nobody liked the model, so they made it one of the, if not the best, units in the army, so you had to buy one.
@Abraham John it looks like ot should be the best unit of the admechs... a skitari piloting a weird loader but instead of cargo its carrying heat.
The grey knights should have just "bigger knight" armor. A dreadnought but larger, and perhaps a bit more elegant.
I think Tyranids should have maybe gotten credit for the Trygon/Mawloc they are pretty massive.
You guys should make an episode about funny and interesting army list combos and gimmicks. Bring out your inner Johnny!
A funny gimmick list that comes to mind is Bricky's Candlestick build! xD
The Spartan/Typhon seems like it would have been best for space marines.
If we wait six months.
5 months later the norn emmisary appears
I'm fairly new to the hobby, mainly attracted by the painting / collecting side, but your podcasts are really fun and super enjoyable to listen to, even as someone who barely know the rules.
I will jump into V10 thanks to you guys !
seraptek heavy construct, decimator and leviathan dred were suprise omissions from the list.
I know its from forgeworld, but i need to deduct points for not mentioning the Greater Brass Scorpion. Its got a bigger footprint than a knight and its got a laser tail
I was initially surprised that the triarch stalker wasn’t included but then I went back and looked at it again and damn, that shit’s way smaller than I thought.
It makes sense that Timmy would avoid forgeworld in a lot of cases. He might not have the patience to put together a forgeworld model
After the dreadnought. We present to you the knight
this series works well as a mini showcase that could entice me to get into factions
The Imperium as a whole phoned in their assignment, because they all assumed they would just cheat off Imperial Knights. Especially AdMech, who didn't even bother to rush in an alternate submission when they were told they couldn't copy Imperial Knights's homework. Meanwhile, Chaos Daemons went above and beyond the call of duty, submitting one for each of their factions (since they're just 4.5 armies stapled together).
I do have to disagree on one point: while Sisters should still get low marks for the Triumph of Saint Katherine, I still think it's a Timmy model. It's a walking funeral procession. That is so ridiculous, there are Timmys out there who adore it for the spectacle. (Because I would argue there's no one thing that impresses a Timmy; some like big models, some like hordes of little ones, and some like the Coffin Dance in model form.)
I accept that the Tesseract vault is the objectively correct option, but the forge world Seraptek will always be my favorite big Necron model.
It’s be neat to see everyone’s plane (or flyer in general)
Was hoping the next vid of this type was factions Terminator equivalents, still hoping.
for space marines, some of the Horus Heresy Dreadnaughts are the knight equivalent. like the Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought or the Leviathan Siege Dreadnought.
Another great episode. And I know what the catchphrase for the next episode is gonna be assuming you stick with the Everyone's Rhino idea.
Our enemy hides in METAL BAWKXES~
I feel like the bids are gonna get a sympathy pick in the tervagon because I can't think of any transport units. But I'm also not super familiar with the newer lists.
I mean the Transocyst i believe is dedicated transport.
@@moondragon5573 I'm not familiar with the Transocyst. I remember the Trannocyte but I was under the impression it couldn't move.
I feel like the greater brass scorpion could definitely work for chaos space marines
nids did not age well.
why what happened
@pegse536 the Dimachaeron was discontinued and their new Norns are a little smaller than knights.
As a Timmy named Timmy who plays word eaters aka the Timmy army. I can confidently say you hit the nail on the head with lord skulls 10/10 a glorious creature
Cannot believe you didnt choose the lord of skulls for csm. Hoping it's coming for world eaters...
Actually, the Astraeus is not bad to put together, in my experience. Most of the resin pieces are big bricks that don't warp easily, and it's well made so seams are hidden behind other edges. It's one of their digitally designed kits, so it comes together very well.
As an Astartes Player, I present you:
*The Typhon/Cerberus/LandRaider Spartan*
Yes....they ARE a variant of the LandRaider, but it is bigger than a normal LandRaider. And in 40k they are Lords of War, as most Knights are.
-Not ForgeWorld Models.
-Bigger than a Dreadnought.
-Really cool Model.
-Plastic.
The LandRaider Spartan....bigger LandRaider with alot more Firepower&Transport Capacity.
The Typhon.....basically a Vindicator but WAY BIGGER.
The Cerberus.....like a Vindicator Laser Destroyer but WAY BIGGER, or a Shadowsword but slightly smaller.
Really love the aesthetic of the Grey Knights one actually, having a suit strapped into a mech one is really cool to me.
I got a necron monolith off Etsy for 25 dollars but rn it’s fluctuating prices from 50-100 dollars and it’s full sized monolith with snake details on the corners and it’s absolutely bad ass and I love it
So the rule I developed based on my visceral reaction against the inclusions of the Kharybdis, Monolith, and Tesseract Vault: single-plane symmetry good), two-plane symmetry bad. Animals are typically symmetrical along a single plane so we expect motion/action, but two planes of symmetry just looks like a building.
Honestly, I am surprised that we don't have a Sisters Knight-equivalent that has multiple mortifier penitent engine berths arranged like a Psi-Titan.
The clip just before the six minute mark that has Dexter walking through his lab has a hole in his clipboard, and you can see the background moving through the hole, but his hand is invisible through it. I can't unsee it, and now neither can you.
Wait up, CSM got Lord of Skulls
The dimachaeron is an interesting concept. It's just way too big for me to ever want one. I have been craving a plastic nid lord of War equivalent since I started the hobby.
when I was starting to get into 40K I was full Timmy "oh I want the big grimdark space robots. who has lotsa robots? probably the Tech priests. of the adeptus mechanicus! it's in the name!" so i grabbed some Kastelan robot kits and some skitarii from a local hobby shop, figuring "oh. the bigger robots must be sold out or something. I'll just look online after I'm done with these."
the amount of disappointment after reading through the mechanicus rule book. I would have taken like. various forms of servitors or anything just to find just the biker things and some dumpy ass servitors from a space marine kit.
If by everyone's Rino you mean the model that is effectively free because it comes in every box then for the Tau it is definitely the gun drones.
Even after converting most of the drones I get in Tau boxes to the useful ones(shield and markerlight), i still have quite a few left over being gun drones.
Though to be fair, if you can hit them with a drone controller, they're not bad firepower per point. 4 pulse carbine shots each for 10 pts. If there was a Drone Master character (maybe on a Ethereal hover disc) that had a 3+ drone controller, I could see gun drone swarms actually getting some use.
@@MrShukaku1991 they used to be really good in the incredibly stupid Farsight + Shadowsun + commander + crisis bodyguard doomstack list I used to run back in I think 5th edition? It was when Farsight enclaves could take Sept as allies and attach their commanders into your squads. So you took Farsight to enable the 7 crisis suit bodyguard squad, took 2 gun drones per suit for 14 gun drones total, attached a commander with an item that gave all drones in the squad the same BS as he had (2+) and attached shadowsun because the stealth field rules at the time caused her to share it with her whole squad. Then because enclaves could take crisis suits as troops you just kept a bunch of minimum cost crisis suits in reserve to deep strike onto objectives. It's lucky I only ever used it in a handful of games because I definitely deserved a punch in the face for that monstrosity.
@@MrShukaku1991 oh and you put the target lock equipment on all the suits so that they could shoot at different targets to the drones.
Honestly I was expecting for Tyranids the Trygon/Trygon Prime/Mawlok since they are fairly large (larger then the baby walker if I remember) and has the cool big monster emerging from nowhere factor.
No this is not me complaining just me surprised and going Timmy about the cool monster that got me into Nids.
for csm, what about the fucking lord of skulls?
edit: you got me lmao
13:17, been having some fun with an Ares Gunship proxy I got off CuIts3D, would've never bought the thing retail in a million years off Forgeworld but its been fun to take it for a run around the block in a few games; was hoping you guys would've given the Ares a chance but I guess that also opens the door for other flying "super heavies". :)
I was surprised not to see the Chaos Defiler for CSM.
You'd be surprised but the Astreaus goes together like legos. Mine had zero warpage and was super clean when it came to flashing and mould lines. Even the auto cannon barrels were relatively straight with very little heating and bending needed.
It's so sweet of you guys that say something nice about Craft World, maybe somewhat blunted by the fact they only got 2 seconds air time, but I really think this is progress.
As a proud baneblade owner putting it on the table is always a joy cause it DWARFS every model in my army easily
Legs over threats. - Continues to give threaded tank full marks: A+ 😂
Late response, but the Norn Emissary was just previewed and that fits this to me.
I cannot forgive skipping the goddamn DEFILER for CSM. That's a cool model and I won't hear otherwise.
watching this just after the new nids giant thing was revealed 🤣🤣
The Glaive is my favorite SM tank, with the Levi dread as my favorite walker.
The astraeus looks like a T'au vehicle, I love the mastodon for how "space marine-y" it looks. Boxiness good, curvature bad.
Haha amazing, the giant chicken daemon also awakened something in me! What a coinkindinc!
I'm a little confused why you guys seem to like the Lord of Skulls so much but dump on the Soul Grinder. Just looking at design, they both seem very similar to me as a upper demonic torso with a mechanical bottom.
Tbf on the soul grinder the legs look pretty great but the daemon on top looks like it eats glue for a living
15:30 hungout with a friend a good few years back, we had to go into his computer room to get something, I'd never seen a Baneblade in person, that thing is, no joke bigger than a human baby, I had to double take and then we spent like 10 minutes talking about how good his paint job was
A idea for a future podcast, finding each factions ickiest and grossest subfactions. The ones that love replacing limbs and fielding "the thing" body horror monsters like who of the death guard subfactions love fielding more unnatural gross creatures over standard infantry gross boys with sword and gun
I mean you say the drukari boat isnt appealing to timmies, but my immediate reaction to seeing it was "wait giant flying pirate ship?" and made me momentarily conside r drukari for the first timw
I feel like if the Tantalus was a bit bigger and had deck surface down the sides it would make it a lot more Timmy.
Hell, give it some guns down the sides and make it really feel like a pirate ship while you're at it.
I'm absolutely a big timmy! Fun list. Because I also hate myself, I plan of Timmifying guard by adding extra dudes to models unnecessarily- like dead troopers on bases and vehicles, historically accurate crew sizes for field guns and artillery, converting a chimera into an ambulance/field hospital, malcador defender but modelled with a bunch of infantry sandbagging the top of the tank and firing off of it like idiots. You know, so my wrists die and the swarm army looks even swarmier.
The different classes of player are basically the divisions of freud’s unconscious mind. Spike is the player operating on their warhammer Id. Timmy is the player invested in warhammer via their ego. And Johnny is the warhammer player considering the superego of their opponent and the match overall.
As a heavy Timmy in my later years I appreciate this so much.
6 months later and yeah, the Tyranids definitely have a full-marks knight equivalent now.
Baneblade is certainly a super heavy benchmark, but it has treads. Stormsurge does get the legs... And the wraith knight indeed is a knight.
Me, a guard fan " IT IS THE BANEBLADE !
You were right, had this video come out a few months later you'd have had a Norn Emissary for the Tyranids
"We take points off for treads"
*gives Baneblade A+*
I justify it by saying the Baneblade is S+ without the treads.
They absolutely nailed the Tyranids prediction. It's 6 months later and the double Norn kit released a bit over a month ago
Honestly for tyranids I could make a case for the trygon. They are deceptive huge models way bigger than a redempor dread athough idk where slithering falls in the legs beat treads line.