Arisaka's Upgraded DesignateIR Laser Module
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The USNV DesignateIR series is a relative newcomer to the civilian IR laser module market, and a welcome one. The early models had some weird jank and durability problems, but the manufacturer has been working with Arisaka to implement some much needed improvements. It may not be better than a DBAL D2 but at least it costs more.
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Heh that's my DIR-V with the broken clamp in that reddit shot. I will say that 3EIR was awesome to deal with, not did he fix/upgrade my unit and have it back to me in less than 2 weeks he listened to my feedback about making the clamp out of aluminum, going with Arisaka was not my idea but I think it was a great move, they make solid stuff. Just shot with my DIR-V last night and I'm still in love with it.
1 guy with 3d printer contributed more to the community than the multi billion dollar companies. 😂
Unironically, thats literally the story of how alot of multi billion dollar companies start, some dude in a garage with an idea lol
@@zweihander7465thats the story, but never the full truth.
Ya then they sold out to the big guys who, surprise shot the price up.
@First_name_youtube_doesnt_like yeah I know, it's unfortunate. This could have been a reasonable option based on design and materials, but is 100% overpriced.
I agree with you 100%, but let’s remind ourselves who these multi billion dollar companies are. Let’s talk about the biggest one being L3/Harris. I work in the military industrial complex and we are a big vendor for L3 in other aspects of things they manufacture. I got chatting with an L3 rep one day and asked “how come you don’t take a lot of what you make to market for civilians?” The answer was simple. “Why would we sell a few lasers to retailers when we can just sell them to the government for however much we want and make millions off one order vs maybe a few thousand to civilians.” They “care”, but not for us. We don’t pay as well as the Us government does. L3 also doesn’t just make cool guy ground troop gear either. They make radios, spy satellites, and more. Lasers are the least of their worries. Their entire company encompasses what the US DoD wants. Not what the civilian market wants. Contrary to popular belief most likely, there’s more money in selling to the government than there is to civilians. It’s not even a “ciivilian” market, it’s a “night vision” market. Go to your local range and tell me how many poverty poneys you see in a firing line. Maybe you’ll see a few Daniel Defenses with a UTG red laser attached to it. You’re probably the only guy out of 40 at that range who’s Into night vision and IR lasers. That REALLY condenses down the market for stuff like this to even bother considering taking a product that’s sold to the military, have to rework the entire device to not go over the legal limit of an IR laser, then bring it to civilian market for only a few to be bought. It’s not worth it to them
"Don't buy stupid jank" You might as well tell me no to breathe Hop.
As a guy new to NVG, I literally cannot understand ANY company selling an IR laser for more than 1k, MUCH LESS ones that are 3d printed.
Agree… it’s depressing haha
I volunteered myself as a test monkey for the Designate IR-V when arisaka first released them a few months ago. So far so good. Only problem with mine is that the IR Laser has a vertical artifact, but it’s only visible with laser only. The laser is also suspiciously powerful, but with the VCSEL Illuminator it’s not overpowered at all and works great. My only real complain is that the adjustment don’t have any clickyness to them. But they are good and tight at least. Love the button and I’m running a UNITY AXON Sync to my Cloud 3.0 Legacy.
Oh they're German spec'd? Gutenteit
When I clicked on this video, an ad playing Rick Astley’s Never Gonna Give You Up and I had to double check that this wasn’t Hops video part 18 on the absolute state of the LAM market.
Went to an airsoft event where they inspected everyones lasers with a meter to make sure they were within Class 1/3R limits. The DesignateIR-V that came through ended up being around 6mW on both Green Vis and IR, so this is unsurprising to me.
What airsoft event was that? Most of the events I've seen don't seem to enforce any power limit which kinda freaks me out. Doing force on force with full power lasers seems like a great way to get unscheduled eye surgery.
@@ctrackthezer0 Gun Gamers Productions does. They have two test meters they use to check both teams before event start (one even came out of an optics lab). Laser status gets written on your wristband so staff can spot check if needed. Surprisingly people have been pretty receptive to the idea of lasers being tested and only have had one or two people who were upset they couldn't use theirs. They suspect probably half or more of what they test end up getting left in cars before games.
@@ctrackthezer0 I wouldn't be too worried, you would need to have the laser shined into your eye for longer than is likely to happen, at a close distance. Part of the reason these IR lasers are designated as dangerous is when shined into your eye you won't have the blink response, someone would have to be trying to shine the laser in your eye maliciously to harm you.
That said do I think that laser safety should be taught and enforced like in the OP's story? Absolutely.
Another IR-V user. Orders mine from 3eir directly. Newer version. As mentioned. It does seem more powerful than stated. I did have an issue where my vis and IR we’re not co aligned. Sent it back to 3eir and had it back in 48 hours. No questions asked. Spoke to Mike, the owner of 3eir. Great dude.
He did say they tested the IRV inside of a paint can inside of a paint mixing machine for multiple rounds. Also mounted it to FA Scar 17 (known to eat optics) and was fine.
Mine has been durable over the 2 8 hour NVG classes I’ve taken. But time will tell.
Illuminator is square and is brighter and cleaner than the fp peqs ive tested it against.
If they can get their QC tighter, it would be the go to laser imo.
I have the DIRV it's based. Out performs FP peq and ties with the MAWL. While being lighter and smaller
The pure honesty at the end is 💥💥👌🏽
Somogears new housing is really nice. I've been running one of theirs for almost a year. I broke it down as much as a I could and reinforced the solder and filled it with liquid tape. Hasn't failed me yet.
Are you talking about the PEQ or the NGAL?
I got the newest iteration from arisaka of the designate IR-V. It’s been on my bren 2. Initially I did have to send it back as my constant on stopped. But since I got my replacement it’s been through two night shoots, and has been solid. Roughly 1k rounds through 11 inch bren 2, hbi gas regulator installed. I also have a NGAL, multiple Fp peqs, and a holosun LE221r (got that one for my mp5k with a vampire head for cqb) and I can tell you, I’ve never seen output like I’m getting from this unit. The visible alone is like a lightsaber. I’m happy they made the diffuser cap captive, as well as the upgrade to the button and clamp, but god damn, I was in the woods and flipped the diffuser down and boom, instant day light. I agree, the numbers are “funky” and even compared to my buddies MAWL DA and another buddies d2, it blows them both away in output. Not necessarily a good thing, not necessarily bad. I’m just happy there are more offerings. I can say that this does just about everything the mawl can do, except it’s half the price, half the weight, and you can still shoot and use it with support hand. Try transitions with the mawl. It sucks. And that price, well hey, that’s GOV contracts for ya. Great video as always Hop.
USNV are good people. They hooked me up with a set of 1431s for a really great price.
“Anything you might actually realistically engage with Night Vision”!!!
Very well said. Everyone wants the most Brightest Laser and IR SPOT Light downrange. But the fact is most people can’t shoot accurately that far. “It just as important not to let everyone know where you are”.
If Holosun would just stick an adjustable VCSEL illuminator in one of their LE321 bodies it would be perfect
Hello, another DIVR user. When I ordered mine straight from US Night Vision, my order was delayed so that my order could have all the nice upgrades since the original launch compared to Brass Facts video (upgraded mount, upgraded button, diffuser on the lens cap, and something else can't remember). It is excellent. I have literally no issues. Didn't feel the need to run a button switch, honestly tried it and preferred without. (standard 16 inch AR-15). Seems like the only problem is getting the damn thing now. I have a DBAL D2 for reference. Also a very good choice but this thing is slick as heck.
Phantom Hill needs to do a CTF3 with the following changes- click adjustable windage and elevation so that your laser doesn’t come out of adjustment under recoil- it happened to me; compatible with 18350 rechargeable batteries so you can run a Surefire M300 Turbo head, an off switch for the laser, and maybe make it take remote switches, though I can live without that last one.
Even if they make the ctf3, their production volume is so bad most of the market will never see it
@@roberthutchinson2856 yeah I was pretty excited when I got mine. I was on my computer already when I got the restock alert. Then was disappointed the first and only time I shot with it that it wouldn’t hold zero. I could see the laser had shifted windage relative to my AEMS.
I think they need to focus on making volume before they move on to a whole new design. I'm serious when I say I, PERSONALLY, have never seen ANY of what they offer in stock.
@@USA_djhiggi77 they only offer one thing lol. Yeah it sells out instantly. I have no idea how big their restocks are. My current setup would probably give Hop a stroke, but it works. I have an LE117IR with a Kiji and M300 Turbo on an Echo Arms monolithic twin body. They’re wired up to an Axon for the laser and Kiji and a Modbutton Lite for the M300. It gives me exactly what I personally want (laser centered over the bore with a powerful, focused IR illuminator and a powerful white lite with a ton of Candela. It just looks cludgy, though, even though it’s functional.
They were doing like biweekly drops until like half a year ago. I was two hours too late for the last one.
Arisaka should just make the entire housing and weatherproofing system.
just cover it in rubber cement
I’m just going to keep waiting to get nods until the laser situation is solved, thanks for keeping us updated on the state of the industry
Would be really based if there was a NV company that embedded a fragile limiter that downvolted the IR laser to civ legal that only a rapscallion would remove to make full power.
Yeah...like put on a sticker that says "DON'T REMOVE THIS SCREW. THIS SCREW RIGHT HERE------>."
Nods, infrared lights, and lasers are great as long as the other guy doesn’t have the same thing.
It's even worse *NOT* having them when the other guy does.
I’m always tempted every time I see these US NV/3EIR products.
DIR V owner. The upgraded Arisaka version unit is off the hook good .. they really listened to customer feedback and quickly put into corrections. It's the best $2000 LAM currently in the market.
@@thaddeuscrane8235 I currently have a civ Raid XE. The urge to sell is real even though I like it.
I think with holosun and pts getting into the game, it might add some more competition and, therefore, cheaper prices and more consumer friendly prices.
Sorry, who's PTS?
@@JackTagargoogle is your friend
airsoft company @@JackTagar
I instantly clicked the video the moment I thought those paws in the thumbnail, even though I don't need an IR lazer 😂
Perfect video to play in my earbuds while shopping for cat food
Working out of a shed, that’s how great inventions were made
I feel like a setup of the DIR-one and a 600V wouldn't be a bad intro setup on a budget. $600 for the DIR, $480-500 for the Vampire, and you've got IR light/laser and a white light without the fuss of a vis laser for a little over a grand.
Been trying to find a good versatile setup for IR that doesn't break the bank (more than the scale of NV is already tilted) and I may look into that.
Throw down a little more for a kiji, you really want that VCSEL goodness.
Someone needs to make a focusing lens for the vampire to give it more throw, and it'd be g2g.
Yeah I'm thinking about doin this especially since my light mount tho has the streamlight hlx which has the same body as a surefire
I’m glad more options are coming out and hopefully continue to innovate
Literally everytime I see Arisaka I make a 'But they killed Johnny Silverhand!' Joke. It's instinct.
8/20 nevar forget
I have the newer dirv it's been really good holding zero bouncing around in the tractor and the sxs.
I’ve been waiting for this review Hop. Thanks ❤
Well glad you finally did a review, I run the designate IR (green vis laser/infrared beam) love the low profile, love the weight, however the felt button pressure pad thing, has got to get sort it out, a more aggressive tactile button would warrant the price tag.. just my opinion from a poor country boy!!!
Hop, have you seen that new focusing lens by villain weapon systems, made for the Streamlight VIR II? Actually looks to make the illuminator useable at distance, from the little bit of footage I found.
According to a comment by the same company I found on Instagram, they're looking into doing a similar thing with the Surefire Vampire.
Seeing as I'm about to get a PVS-14, I've been spending way to much time looking at options, and yeah, talk about bullshit. Gonna be sticking with passive aiming for a little while.
I’ll be curious to see a Hop review on the VWS focuser. I want to believe but man from those videos it makes an already funky illuminator beam look even funkier, but no doubt more useable.
I have one along with the DIR-V, Laserspeed, and a Kiji. It's an OK solution for a PDW/PCC sized gun, I have mine on an 8" 300LK AR but it's no substitute for anything with a full power illuminator.
I love the form factor and activation tab but I'd rather have it as a visible white light.
Never thought Kevin Bacon would join the gun community. Nice video
Kevin Bacon has been a lifelong Graboid hunter. Put some respect on his name.
Socko must have put a lot of claw marks on the hood of your truck by now with the way he clenches his paw.
This is the best video because we got Socko.
Mine has a double click remain on function. Maybe because mine is newer, but I figured it out by clicking slower, maybe half a second in between clicks is what triggers it. Thing is super powerful, very lightweight, sits below an eotech 512 window, and is very ergonomic. With how strong it is I doubt you would really need an illuminator. It’s a badass little unit and I’ll probably grab a second one.
I have a full power D-IRV and its by far my favorite laser. better than my mawlc1 and my la5
Hello Hop, in the IDF we used meprolight (an israeli company) model STING
Its a very simple device with lasers only, i don't know it's price though because the army just gives it to whoever wants
It is a very loved device
I had a bit of a chuckle while cleaning my ptr, thinking about someone staring into an ir laser for hours on end
Love the special guest
Love my OG designatIR
I really like using night vision but aim with a nice thermal scope.
I'm still rocking a totally not stolen Peq-2. Its like a frickin' light saber compared to some of the civ legal stuff, but it would be nice to have something much smaller and lighter. I cannot get over the price of these things though. The markup has to be insane as I don't see the components and labor actually costing a lot. The laser modules are COTS devices produced in bulk, not made in house. The housings are molded or 3D printed plastic.
I work for a firearm manufacturer. Our AR's cost less than what these lasers cost and I can promise you that there is more cost and infrastructure needed to manufacture an AR-15 properly. And we're considered a high end manufacturer. $2K is ridiculous for an unproven plastic laser. Our chassis precision bolt action rifle made entirely in house is only $2500.
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Gonna guess LaRue lol
@@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot3267 Fed
Every time I see one of these ir designators I think "man thats cool, I want one!" Then i remember that ir goggles cost as much as a full size pickup here in Canada.
Cats. They're the only reason why I watch to the end of the video.
Give your Wilfred Brimley looking cat chin scratches from the Interesting looking cats fan base.
Okay, I want to ask a question. Doesn’t the IR laser give your position away? You know to the Stasi that work the the Autocracy that breaches a 76 year old man’s home and ends him with extreme prejudice for saying unpleasant things about King Sniffy? Would a clip on adjunct of thermal to a scope accomplish the same awareness without screaming, “Follow that beam to me!”
Yep, this is why NV is game changing when your opponent don't have them.
Thermal sights are out there, but it seems almost like squeezing a point and shoot camera into scope form rather than anything else.
You can't always see the entire beam. That's really only something that happens with extremely powerful IR lasers or if there is tons of debris in the atmosphere.
But yes, it can happen.
The only bad thing about thermal optics is you have to be looking through them to use them. I can fire my IR laser equipped firearm from all kinds of different angles and positions and get hits without ever having to actually be behind the gun.
No plans to do IR (that may change years from now), strictly clicked for the cat. Still, this was an interesting look into IR market innovation. Oh, and I can't think of a more satisfying name to partner with an indie product like this than Arisaka.
That's a real neat cat ya got there.
He's fat and dumb and mean. I like him.
Thank you hop!
If you designed your ideal "everyday" laser module, what would it have? What wouldn't it have? Maybe I wanna be a random dude in a garage with a 3D printer when I grow up...😎
It would be an EOTech OGL that I can actually buy and doesn't cost 4 grand.
@@Hoplopfheil Oh. Simple enough. Lemme check it out. 👍
i found some for 2.1k @@Hoplopfheil
You forgot BrassFacts "Meme-tastic Airsoft Chinese Lasik Knockoffs Of Lasers US Companies Only Fall Off The Back Of A Truck To Civilians".
Also, I only come here for the cat content. 11:53 . I have given up trying to get a MAWL, OGL, RAID, or anything relatively modern and decent.
Gotta love the garage DIY nerds
Great video. I never would have given these things a second look after seeing the 3D printer textured housing. You said they fixed the weakness on the mount, but is the body itself pretty tough?
What I'm tying to ask: On a scale of SOMOGEAR to PEQ-15 where would you place the housing durability? 😂
Any competition is good competition, hopefully the warrenty is good.
Bought a used dbal d2 glad i did. I ll wait for the civ version of the eotech one
These look awesome
I’m here for the special guest
Thanks
Tell Neill Blompkampf I said hi!
Unsatisfied with Brock trolling everyone into buying polymer-housed cracking Somogear, Hop said "hold my beer" and started shilling an entirely 3-D printed module.
I'M KIDDING! Thanks for another great video. NV gear in particular is not cheap, and with the amount of stuff you go through and give honest feedback on, you must have saved hundreds of thousands of dollars cumulatively to viewers who avoided bad buys and made much better informed decisions.
Socko is truly magnificent
This unit and the Phantom Hill are what we need in this space. Btw, anyone heard from PH? Been quiet.
Haven't seen an update from PH in a while, as far as I know they're still plugging away on the CTF3.
@@Hoplopfheil I appreciate the response. Fingers crossed for the CTF3!
What is the availability like on these products? The CTF-2 seems to never be in stock, since as you have said, he's one guy in a garage. I love the design of the ctf-2 (ignoring the ugly green buttons) and it seems more practical than this, especially with that 3-D printed bolt, but if this is in stock more, I might consider it.
These have stayed in stock so far but maybe just because nobody knows about them or is willing to take a chance on a newcomer.
I think since everyone should have a white light, even if you own multiple rifles, the Vampire makes a lot of sense.
I think I’m still going to get a ls321
Still one of the least worst options
The money for these things are absolutely insane.... Paying 2 grand for something that can easily break on rail from slight torque.... I'd like to know what it costs these companies to actually make one of these.
Come for the lasers I don't need and can't afford, stay for the socko!
3D printing is the future, not any near future but someday
The stuffs pretty durable. Obviously no replacement for milled aluminum, but likely good enough.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzonly room for it to improve, hopefully
I mean, 3d printed metal exists, it's just expensive right now
Thanks Socko!
Good info.
Quit taking Loaf's gig
I love you too, Hop!
I LOVE SOCKO!!!
full power master race
Hey that's the company from cyberpunk 2042!
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I...I...I couldn't tell if Hop liked it or not ????😉
Thank You Hop.
I find myself stuck on the notion that a laser centered over the bore is the way to go, BUT that's obviously not the case with the majority of laser designators.
Is the left/right offset a big deal, or am I just lost in the weeds?
Not a big deal. Converging laser zero is completely usable out to any realistic distance.
@@Hoplopfheil Thanks Hop
I'm a simple man: I see Socko, I click.
Cat is welcome addition. Please share his thoughts on this product.
Looks like on Arisaka’s website you can get this + one of their malkoff ir head+ bodies including mounts and switches for under $1k. Is that worth running? Malkoff head on paper seems almost as good as Kiijii.
Hop we love you too but give us the god damn modernized AK series
Oxide has done that
Been using the full power Perst 3 for a good while now and boy howdy, I am so glad I got that thing before Russia went crazy town. Watched a good number of friends getting into NVGs pay 3 times what I did for a quarter of the IR power. Still will never understand how importing sight erasing IR beams is okay but trying to make one here and sell it is a no go...then again, logic isn't the governments strong suit.
This would fuck with one of those emissary switches
Damn prices are crazy on anything fun for night play from ladies to hunting/offense/ defense
Wonderful
Thanks Hop, no stupid jank for me!
Hehe I did try and join the Discord server. And yes, I followed all the steps about you asked for. Still no approval. I know Discord can be a pain in the butt sometimes with relaying messages. Oh well I'll try again at some point.
Thanks for the great video 👍
Discord server currently closed due to AIDS
What's going on with that green tube at 00:12? Bright source protection?
I wonder why 3EIR were making this laser for US Night Vision? Did USNV hook them like they tried to hook Nocorium?
i cannot understand 2000$ lasers that are made exactly the same as airshit toys LOL
Roof should feel targeted.
I don't know if he's smart enough to know we're talking about him
roof is targeted.
Roof is targeted, confirmed.
Roof has acknowledged he is targeted
I love that it looks like an item from a Hideo Kojima game.
Holy shit Arisaka is actually a company… ‘cyberpunk 2077 vibes’
Came for the laser. Stayed for Socko.
So if I have a 556 upper with a Dbal D2 but have a 300 blackout gun that I want a laser for, would the DIR-ONE be a decent option for the 300 blk upper that wont be shot out past 200 for sure realistically? (Edit) Also want a laser for the 300 because I have the RPNVG's and can split the tubes to singles and go night shooting with a buddy or something.
I’m thinking the same thing. If you just wanted close range NV setup seems like this paired with a vampire would be about ideal. I can see the advantages of the other systems for outdoor but for CQB this seems ideal unless this laser is overpowered by the vampire illuminator
You could just go with one of the cheaper Holosun IR lasers. They actually have aluminum or titanium housings. The 117IR is like $300.
@@oldscratch3535 nope
@@K-bob_45 Then spend at least $2K on something plastic that you'll rarely use and isn't much better than an airsoft copy.
@@oldscratch3535 the one in this video is 600$ bro
Im still limping along with my anemic Steiner dbal i2
It works barely but until somethibg comes along that outpaces it by a wide margin and isnt chinese airsoft gear
It will stay on the rifle
When Hop starts talking about Laser power
Kermit: first of all, lower your voice....
If I had 2k for a laser I would just save another 1.5k for a MAWL. I hate that it seems like every fucking IR laser and illuminator is designed to be mounted at the 12 o’clock. My setup is meant for a 45° offset at the 1:30 and only the fucking MAWL is meant to be mounted that way.
Btw I love your cat and I wanna hug it
I’m not sure I’ve seen white whiskers on a black cat before
So if I'm ballin' on a budget and just got a PVS-14, what should I be looking at for IR laser/illumination?
Hop, get out of my head, I was literally checking one of these out last night and then the very next day you drop a review