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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2021
- A young girl savagely beaten by teenagers and later found dead in a river leads to a troubling inquiry whereby water causes complications as well as the solution to the case.
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Kelly Ellard is on parole, changed her name to Sims, is married to Darwin Dorozan, a gang member, and has 2 kids with him. They had been pen pals. What a joke. She's a real piece of work.
A real piece of shit was my thoughts
@Bars for Biden amen! Indeed.
He will learn the hard way what it's like to live with a sociopath. It's a living nightmare.
so sad white privileged the foster care system failed reena
Ewr ww rustig ww
I remember in high school an incident where a bunch of people were picking on this girl who had issues. I remember screaming at them saying “leave her the $&@# alone” and following her into the girls room to see if she was OK. It was utter bullshit! I will never be someone who sits quietly and watch others bully anyone!!
Thank you 🙏 ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you. It only takes one person to make a change to a victims life.
I think parents ignorance or home issues or bullying is/are the reason we become reserved person. Anyway thanks.
I have nothing but respect for those who stand up to bullies and/or injustice. Whilst I understand those who cannot/do not want to, stand up to protect others (especially in this day and age of ego, entitlement and extreme violence), they become complicit in the abuse. Whilst not directly responsible, staying silent when voices are needed, is an abandonment of humanity. I do strongly urge caution when intervening, but the least you can do is report it to someone. Firm voices save lives. And the more voices there are in unison, the better off we all will be.
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Serious crime needs serious sentences, no matter how old they are.
Agree! I really feel for the investigators and all the care and trouble they go through to get the perpetrators...the sentencing is a joke.
It's Canada, most crimes are almost legal.
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Right?! Canada just don't know how to work their own justice system SMH
very true
Kelly Ellard was granted parole and assaulted a woman. I remember her father said during her arrest that 'she stood up for herself'. She is pure evil. I wondered about all those kids who were part of this thing, how they live with themselves. I said something not so nice to people years ago and I still feel bad and shameful about that. Imagine being the start of a murder like this one.
Judging by her father saying that, we can all safely guess where she gets the violence from. He's clearly been encouraging her all her life.
She’s a psychopath and should never be free.
Her father is obviously nuts too. Kelly is a murderer and will always be a danger to society.
They are not kids, they are young adults. And I am sick and tired of hearing how they had a bad childhood. Well so did I, my brother and I were neglected by our mother, who prefered partying. I became the adult at 9, but that hasn´t made me kill anyone. They deserve life in prison for what they did!
Gotte Nielsen: I agree with you 1000%, my parents beat me my whole life with them. On my 16th birthday I got 2 garbage bags and was told to get my stuff and leave. So I had a very very bad upbringing but NEVER wanted to kill someone.
Same here. I was put in an orphanage for 11 years but, I KNOW RIGHT from WRONG!! I could have robbed, stolen, killed, and blamed it on my past but, that's a COWARD'S way.
Exactly me too, I had a shitty childhood no friends no girlfriend I didn't turn to crime. Drugs and shit were a problem in town i grew up in but i stayed the hell away from it.
@@dzjoneshauser God bless you
@@willambonney God bless you
I moved out of my mother’s house, and began living on my own at age 16. I worked three jobs to pay for an apartment with my best friend. We never killed anyone. Oh, and my father drank himself to death by the time I was 22. Still never killed anyone. Go figure.
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@SA S I do indeed, and I am, thank you. Well, I have some chronic health problems, but I know who I am, and I’m mentally and emotionally healthy, which are the most important things. While there is no question that these early experiences shape the people we become, you still have and make choices. Rather than repeating the cycle, many people take those experiences and say “This is exactly what I do not want for myself.” A terrible upbringing can explain a heap of dysfunction, but it’s no excuse for harming other people, and it sure as heck is no excuse for murder!
@Cryptameria• Thank you very much! I’m a lot better!
How come you guys living all by yourself at the age of 16-17-18. In India we at this age afraid to go to nearby town by ourself. But you guys find a job and start to live on your own. Great!. This is really unbelievable, because even for a poorest of the poor guy will never even think of it in our country.
@@ranganathprahlad some of us have no choice
It would be nice if the court system had some balls and lock them up for LIFE
Shelley. Hear, hear👌👌😏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Yes. Yes.
I don't agree with some of the sentences in the USA but when they say life
...it's life. End of story 😌
I read about this and how one of the girl's rich parents made sure she didn't pay for her part in this. Always wondered if and when she would kill them for her inheritance.
Rather it sooner than later!.
Exactly!
6 months to a year in jail for extreme assault? Canada is doomed with Libtards on both sides, Labour and Conservative.
@@lawabidingcitizen729 GOOD FOR YOU
I LOOK AT THE AGE OF THE PERSON BEFORE CONVICTING THAT PERSONA I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF ES,ANOL
the other 6 kids who participated in brutally beating her almost to death never got punished. where's the justice in that?
6 months to a year in prison
Send those lil monsters to the
🇺🇸United States 🇺🇸, they will do their time!!!
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEVER GET OUT EVER!!!
WE DONT JUST SLAP YOUR HANDS HERE IN THE 🇺🇸 U.S. 🇺🇸 !!!!!!!🇺🇸 AS THEY ALL NEW WHAT TH HEY WERE DOING!!!!!
@@rubyarguello1202 Canada's Young offender act mandates rehabilitation and the ones charged with assault were first timers that contributed to the sentence. Where i live the prisons already house 2-3 x more people than they were built for so that also plays into sentences.
@Richard B Yes,they should have blew him away when he held the severed head up as his trophy.Less than two years later,tax payers house and feed him once again.Oh yes,he was an Immigrant to Canada,Surprise !
@Richard B yeah let's make it all about race. Whataboutry is not what what's needed here, my comment was never about race or racism. But your reply is making me think again. Thanks anyways 👍
"that Chinese guy"
What is the point of the Canadian justice system when case after case after case all get weak pathetic sentences..absolutely fkn disgusting 😤 judges are so incompetent and probably corrupt?
Here 🇺🇸 is not much different. Most women and underage kids get light sentences for these types of crimes. Even men too don't serve their full sentence because of "good behavior". Nice way to manipulate the system into letting you out earlier for behaving good now that it's convenient to achieve freedom, to have the opportunity of a life, a life they took away but you get to enjoy. 🤢 Our system is not any better. Flaws are huge and laws aren't strict enough, which means crime will be a neverending cycle. Singapore's justice system for example works and crime rates are very low, why? Because of the combination of these factors: effective and strict enforcement of laws, and cooperation of the people. Looking at it, any country can be as safe as Singapore as long as everyone willingly cooperates. Us being such a "great and powerful" country shouldn't have an excuse not to be but of course, many will say population doesn't even compare. Which it doesn't but there's where the excuses come in, there is where we start with the wrong foot.
You are correct they like to brag about how they found the killers only to found out they get light sentence. Sending the wrong message : life of a person worth nothing if that person is killed by a teenager.
@@oAgL214 - Not true depending on the state. In red states a brutal crime like this the person is not released on good behavior so quickly. In blue states it’s different that’s why criminals don’t give a damn about the justice system there, the highest crimes are in blue states like Chicago, Los Angles and Portland.
@@TheRight-handedStranger well Alaska has the highest crime rate and is red.
This is why I don’t blame the people who take justice into their own hands
The legal justice system is a joke
I loss my mom to cancer when I was 10 in a half. My father abused me in many ways people ( adults/? teachers) knew but turned a blinds eye. He remarried and she was horrible. And yet I never had a desire to hurt anyone
Liz Booth - You probably never had a desire to hurt anyone because you know so well what it's like to be hurt. I'm sorry you went through what you did. My Mom died too young as well and my father remarried. She turned out to be a gold digger and hated all 5 of us kids. Thankfully we were all married and in our own homes when he married her, but I still had my youngest sister at home with them. She was 17 when our Mom died and she still had a year of high school to do. As soon as she graduated she came to live with me to get away from that witch.
What does this have to do with what happened here?
Absolute tragedy. The pathetic Canadian justice system, the lenient “sentences” for these murderers, as well as the heavy racism that led to this young lady’s death, and allowed these other pieces of trash to get away with this atrocity. Prayers for her soul, and her family.
Exactly. White women are well enabled in the Canadian system. I know of one who murdered her baby and not only never spent a day in prison, she's allowed to openly harass and stalk people because "she is a domestic violence victim"
What racism? there is no racism at the west. Watch the video first
@@proudmen1220 it's racism everywhere north east south west
@@Army4life82 Africa, Europe, Asia, Am,Australia, Mars.
@@proudmen1220 The first time it was said it was at around 7:17. Watch the video first.
Laws are supposed to protect people. But this Act is producing and protecting young criminals.
You are right, if these criminals are let go because of this kind of law, more kids would try their hands in crime.
Yet they don't have the reoffender rate that we do. And we "throw away the key" here. Interesting.
@@gorey4more837 pretty big reach there stretch, but correlate whatever you want i guess
@@gorey4more837 I guess you're unaware that they're CURRENTLY releasing felons including rapists and others from California prisons.
To bad the ones that can do something about it, refuse to.
6 month to 1 yrs,its a joke...no justice for the victim SMH..😠
Having lived through such bullying and abuse my heart still aches for Rena Verk.
This isn't a bully case. She stole something from one of the other girls and made up lies about her and told all her friends. Bullying is done to innocent parties. Granted, what they did went way beyond what they should have, obviously. But, what was she thinking????
@@martharunstheworld Wether she lied or stole or gossiped, Rena wanted to have friends but didn’t know how to do it. Bullying can and does kill. Having lived through my ordeals I actually considered suicide to stop my tormentors. By the grace of God I didn’t end my life. Rena didn’t need to die at the hands of these people!!!!!
@@marenawhite3322 I am sorry for what you went through. Bullies are cowards with no brains
I'm so furious at the sentencing these monsters received for such a cold blooded, cruel & sickening assault and murder I feel like crying! Canada...for the love of God FIX YOUR GODDAMN JUSTICE SYSTEM!
Don’t damn God. He didn’t make the justice system unjust!
Are u from the states? Gun laws as strict as my third grade teacher and mass shootings daily? Oh yea bud fix ur systems then worry about ours!
@@Jordan-fn1cz No Jordan...not from the States.
as if this can only happen in canada and not any other country
Yeah, the justice system is one of our biggest weakenesses.
They weren't children.......they were cruel killers.
And how could they sleep after doing all this horrible stuff??
They slept very peacefully... like ANY psychopath would do.
Should have locked them ALL UP & thrown away the key Evil thugs!!!!! 😈😡
im sure that all of them will end at the same way.
@@wrangelinhabitant161 Hope so pure evil 😡
@Jojo bean Doesn't matter though because they were old enough to know right from wrong they knew Exactly what they were doing!!!!
My heart breaks for this lonely, young girl. Savage and cowardly attack by a bunch of bullies. I wish the punishment fit the crime. Rest easy Rena 🕊️❤️
AMEN!!
Really really heartbreaking to think she just wanted to fit in..
These are not bullies. These are criminals. The girl died. They killed her. Lets use the appropriate term here.
I feel so sad for the victim if indeed it was true that she had stolen the main bully's diary then rang up people they both knew and told them her secrets (an ultra-catty manoeuvre) because in doing that she set off the process that led to her own death, and what a cruel one it was! So she was the author of her own demise, some would say. I would say cause and effect was at work here but don't misunderstand me; I am on HER side because she didn't deserve what they did to her and anyway, she wouldn't have done that diary thing for nothing! What had her killer started doing to her to make her seek that sort of revenge in the first place? That group of associates, because you can't call them friends, disliked her from the start and the victim was deep down a trusting person who wanted to give her enemies another chance. She assumed the invitation was for good reasons and that is also a reflection of having good character because that's that's what SHE would have done i.e. invite someone to a party for positive reasons, not so they can get the bash as some of us say in New Zealand. Her killer definitely belongs in prison for the rest of her life because the beating excited her enough to carry on and commit murder whereas the other participants had had enough, with one even wanting to protect her from further damage. RIParadise to the victim.
The victim was as bad as they were. She stole a roommate’s address book and used the numbers to spread vicious rumors about her. And she slept with the girl’s boyfriend. She was no pitiable angel. Let’s be real.
It's a slap on the wrist for the murderers and slap to the faces of Reena and her family. Ridiculous and infuriating.
Absolutely Agree!!!
For real!
Welcome to our embarrassing & utterly pathetic Canadian "justice" system 🙄😡
I lived on the island and was close to their age when it happened, so I'm very familiar with the murder and the aftermath. This video portrayal could have been better. They have college-aged actors playing 14-to-16-year-old teenagers, I think that clouds peoples' judgement somewhat.
I agree that Kelly Ellard shouldn't have been given any freedoms, and definitely not to have kids of her own, because she lacked remorse for so long and has yet to take full responsibility for her crime. Warren Glowatski _did_ show remorse and took responsibility for his role in murdering Reena not long after, and he went through a restorative justice process involving his Metis elders and the Virks. He received day parole in 2007 and full parole in 2010, with the blessing of Reena's parents.
@@bcpr9812 as for clouding judgement part, I listen to most of these videos while doing something else, so I didn't even see the reenactments (guessing you're referring to them).
It is horrifying to think we walk the streets beside these vicious animals..
Dont call them animals, animals are without sin.......
@@jannepetersen4660 your right.
I love how they say "life sentence not eligible for parole for seven years." It's really "eligible for parole after seven years". Canada's justice system is a joke.
thats why the trail of tears up there gets no chance of being solved. canada is a fucking joke.
Plus Canada is violating constitutional rights of citizens during covid. It’s disgusting. Even Syria has more constitutional rights than Canadians
Y doesn't Canada have the death penalty? I'm not all for using it Willy nilly, but there ARE cases where I feel it's appropriate. Course I'm a Texan, but.... and is the maximum sentence"life" with parole after 25yrs? That's the most I've seen in the MANY Canadian crime documentaries I've been watching.....?
The eligible for parole after 7 years is due their ages.
Same in the US except now thanks to the repuglicons- juveniles cant be sentenced to life in prison no matter what they do, which means they can walk out free at age 18 or 21 and their names and identities shielded
People saw her hobbling battered & bruised & NO ONE helped her?!!!
Of course not. They did the beating. Why would they help her? Would you help someone who you just battered to hell and back?
I would helped someone, if they were badly injured.
@@klutzmtg2310 ~ They said she walked past others after the beating.
Really disgusting and sad
That’s American racism probably. Atleast when it came to other people on the bridge.
I read this book years ago. And the story has stuck with me since. So much so I have been very cautious on who I would let around my daughter when she was growing up. It's terrifying. As a parent you not only have to worry about pedophiles, but your child's friends too. It's just too sad.
I learned about this when I was 7 because of my parents love for watching the news at the dinner table.
I thought I was the only one. I began teaching my daughter about pedophile kidnappers at a very young age. By the time she was 12 , I started sharing stories about serial killers and even cannibalism. And also told her to be careful with her own friends and shared these types of stories with her. I’ll confess , occasionally I would tell her friends “remember guys, take care of her , cause if anything happens to her I’m going on a killing spree” in a joking way. But as God is my witness, I doubt she could ever understand how much she means to me, and how I could lose my mind if something like this happens to her. I get sick watching a story like this. As a young adult I tell her…..the state troopers would find her husbands leg stinging out of my front yard AFTER I get after his family. She laughs. But when I see this type of story, I get a queasy feeling in my stomach cause I know……her being my only child, and being so close with her………I would kill for her.
And that’s a true story. Because of all the monsters out there…..to have a group of your “friends” do this?
@@Nekoinuhanyou me! I used to share stories like this with my daughter. And the older she got the less censored they were. I could not live if anything like this happened to her.
Are you watching the new series on Hulu? "Under the Bridge"? Wondering how similar it is to the book.
People keep saying they were her friends. But in beginning of video parent told her not to go cause the others didn't like her.
I met her mom at a court case in Abbotsford a bully case were a young girl hung herself. Her mother was a sweet strong amazing lady. She truly had strength. I still admire her to this day
@belltowndaisyshe behaved badly on purpose to get away from her strict home, she thought she’d have more freedom in a foster care home. How wrong she was.
@belltowndaisy you can read the book about Reena - Under The Bridge by Rebecca Godfrey
Violent unpredictable children living together. Nice. Who thought this was a good idea
First decent comment on this case so far. Totally agree
Yes and I just recently watched the case of David Roman from Ontario and thought the same thing. Putting troubled, violent teens together in a house is a BAD idea.
@@dontmindme633 Okay agreed. But where should WE (society) PUT them?
There are some kids to give to be so messed up that they become unable to relate to Society in any which way other than to be harmful.
@@suzannenichols6900 unfortunately those kids need to be in an institution that has the staff and resources to handle them. A household just isn’t equipped to take them until they get the help they need. Or in separate foster homes. Just not multiple problem teens in one house with one foster parent.
Unfortunately this is how things are in the "care" system and prisons etc alot of troubled and disturbed individuals living together seems only to reinforce the dysfunctional behaviour IMO.
Six months to a year for six of those demons!!! Wow, what a joke:(
This week, in Belgium, a 14 y.o. girl had a rendez vous with a male friend on a graveyard. In stead of only one boy, five showed up, beat her, raped her and took pictures which were shared on the internet. The girl didn't tell her parents, but when she saw the pictures online, she committed suicide. Again, a very tragic story, involving nothing but very very disturbed and dangerous teenagers. Some people think back to that period of being a teen with sweetness and romantic feelings, but for many, the end of that period wasn't a bad thing at all. This docu here shows it aren't just boys who can be real monsters, but girls too can hate with soooo much hate they do terrible things. Maybe out of frustration, out of rage, maybe as a result of - to a certain degree - understandable escalation of bad events in their life. But that understanding to a certain degree never, absolutelty never can mean that a murder or even a serious beating etc. should be "accepted".
@Benoit Vanhees Very well said. I'm almost 60 and always shocked by teens murdering each other, but social media didn't exist when I was that age.
more than horrible, you have to know where your kids are and what they are doing
There was the mention of the formation of a street gang which is part of the rap music culture. The Lord of The Flies mentality often asks member to commit crimes to gain status or street cred, as they call it.
@@gwens5093 rap music culture... That sounds like a double contradictio in terminis in my ears... :0)))
Initiation rituals are common in all organized criminal enterprises, including white collar crime. The maffia has them, the more extreme free masons too. So no one can "rat", without harm him- or herself... A subtle balance of terror...
I was thinking ‘’that can’t be real’’ and had a look at that news … I lost a little bit more of my faith in humanity.
These divers have a job I really do not envy, imagine feeling your way through the waters and how traumatizing it must be the things they see. I have extreme respect for them.
There's a popular UA-cam channel called "Adventures with Purpose", a professional dive team that travels the USA locating and removing vehicles from waterways using sonar equipment, but they've also solved something like seven missing persons' cases so far, volunteering their skills to families trying to locate loved ones and get closure. They know what to expect when it comes to remains, and have a protocol to ensure that the families don't see, warning them that they don't want to remember their loved ones that way. They don't show the remains on video out of respect, and they also cover the vehicle with a tarp as it's pulled up, to maintain some dignity for the deceased. It does take a toll on the divers to view human remains. I definitely recommend the channel, especially the videos about solving the missing person cases. They're an emotional rollercoaster.
One time i dove under, opened my eyes, and a giant bass was about two inches from my face. I screamed under water and it swam away. I couldnt imagine finding a body.
These divers are real heroes........ all of them everywhere. I give them so much credit.
True...but I believe that they do not feel trauma from it.
but I still prefer that over cutting up dead bodies like autopsy 🤔😁
Disgusting. I don't care how hard anyone's life is there is no excuse in hurting harming or killing others. If grown men & women are not aloud to use their childhood as excuses in court neither should these teens.... EVIL just Evil. God bless the police and the police divers. They have a thankless job from so many until they are needed. Canada sucks in justice
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Its still better than the UK Justice system.
Not fair for the once who lost their lives.
@@bluesail4160 I think the Canadian, Aussie and UK laws are equally feeble tbh. Especially with child predators. We are far too lenient with evil people in general, rehabilitation only works if the person wants to be rehabilitated.
@@bluesail4160 it’s about the same. Same in the u.k very rarely do you get more than 10 years for murder
Whenever Mama Dukes tells you it’s a bad idea to go, you don’t fucking go. Golden rule
You obviously don’t understand teenagers and victim blaming makes out it’s her fault! Victims aren’t responsible for others actions 😡
@@loltryagain3422 when she knew they never liked her, she should have avoided them..... but then, it is the world of teenagers........ most unpredictable... But they got off with too little punishment. ☹️☹️
@@loltryagain3422
She wasn't victim blaming at all. She was only stressing that parents' can see what their child can't!!! No need to make into something it's Not!!!
Exactly shirley
Nowadays you can’t make a statement without someone says your shaming/blaming. Common sense would have kept her away from that party.
I am a Canadian, & totally ashamed of their 'so called' Justice System !. Are you kidding me ?!. Change that law, before more murdering psychopath's get away !!. No wonder kids are the way they are these days😡👿
Lol
It's so cliche to complain about the justice system, but to suggest that the USA or Russian model is in any measurable way better, is simply ridiculous.
And anyone reading this, knows what I mean too. People will comment things on a video like "your country is so soft, here in Russia this criminal would've been dead in a ditch already" or "if that happened here in Texas, we would've..." and it's all ridiculous.
This murder happened in 1997, and damn right people should advocate for positive change and always evolve as a society! Previous cases/court rulings absolutely change as we see in hindsight how ineffective/too harsh or lenient sentences are, etc. Honestly if you want a "wait what??!" moment, google "Vince Li" and you'll see that a guy cut off someone's head on a greyhound bus in 2008 or 2009 and has since been released. Like straight up. That one is baffling, but at least as far as i can assume, he hasn't killed anyone else since then?
But yeah I understand people on youtube want every single murderer in history to get life in jail with no chance of parole ever, no matter what the circumstances are. No one ever seems to talk about rehabilitation or recidivism, and that makes some sense because of the amplified emotion evoked when watching one of these videos. You (person reading this) is watching true crime documentaries because they're interesting and fascinating, not simply because you care about humanity.
It's satisfying watching these when the killer is caught at the end and put in jail forever, but think with your head and not with your heart when suggesting how to improve a society. The punishment wouldn't have prevented this murder, even though it's difficult to be anything but angry at those idiot kids. When you watch these, you get mad at the murderers. It's like, "just leave people alone!" you didn't have to go out of your way to destroy someone else's life. Man, it's just so tragic but try not to do the thing us guys do and just immediately spit out a simple solution.
the sentence was given more than a decade ago. I hope there have been some changes made by now.
@@davidmetzler6670 NO ONE WHO KILL CANT. BE REHABILITATED NOPE NOPE THEY DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN
@Leah, there are exceptions out there to prove you wrong. Just because something is often one way doesn't mean it's always one way. The world isn't actually as black and white as it is in your head.
The VAST MAJORITY of people who were abused in their childhood never commit any crime and are not violent. I get sick of the abuse excuse. It isn’t statistically relevant. It just isn’t. Furthermore, there are plenty of criminals, violent and otherwise, who had happy, normal childhoods. Some people are plain old bad and are that way from childhood on.
Abuse sadly is a common trigger but it's not the single cause. It's a combination of genetics, life experiences (Abuse, traumatic events, cultural exposure and beliefs and upbringing), and usually a final trigger: drugs, mental health, loss, humiliation etc. It's statistically relevant when looking at statistics of criminals (especially serial killers, pedophiles and sex offenders but remember that these criminals are the minority compared to the majority of crimes such as thefts or fraud), but its not statistically relevant to statistics on child abuse victims.
No one can deny that mentality ill individuals or intoxicated individuals can do horrendous things and hurt people, BUT, the statistical majority of mentally ill and intoxicated people are non violent.
Statistics are not black and white and you must look at them with context.
I worked in a mental health hospital and alot of people did bad stuff but you're right alot of them didn't have bad childhoods and no mental health condition..There are just some bad people in this world.
There is a old movie named "The Bad Seed" if you haven't watched it you should..
@@amandasnider2644 I appreciate your comment, well put. Intelligently said.
@@rhondabothelio7238 From the book by the same name, written by William March.
They called the perpetrators 'kids' like 50 times, while they were all teens/adolescents. It makes them seem innocent while they were the perpetrators and accountable for their actions.
They are kids, but evil
Ones.
Society loves to try and justify murderers and crimin@ls by calling them "kids" as a way to lower sentences and/or avoid accountability. Yes, minors doesn't mean less guilty or unaware of the actions they committed. They sure know the difference between right and wrong. There will always be people who tries to be lenient towards them for the simple fact of being underage. The day we change that mindset and charge them like adults, things will change for the better.
There are not only kids and adults.
You don't go from a kid to an adult over a night just because you turn 18.
Kids don’t do stuff like this, kids don’t smoke cigarettes and kill other people
Well, one of them was 13. i do believe i would also refer to a 13 year old as a child. But children can also be murderers. So many cases have proved that to be true...
Justice was NOT served. They should both spend the rest of their lives in prison with hardened criminals who can teach them a lesson. They should be in prison enduring the same kind of bullying as they put Rena through for as long as Rena is dead. People wonder why there is so much crime and this is a perfect example. No one is held accountable for the atrocities they commit. They end up getting a light sentence and released into the public to do again what they in essence got away with.
AS I understand it to be, Kelly is now free. She had a child while in prison .female Young Offenders are allowed to have their child live with them, nursery and all that, while their mother attends school, inside the prison. Kelly is a psychopath, with no remorse. We will be hearing about her again. RIP Rena
As I understood it, Kelly has two children with a thug/gang member who she met on her mandatory release. He is also in prison. The second pregnancy occurred at a conjugal visit provided by the prison if I remember correctly. Corrections Canada, making more inmates for the future.
I don’t know how to do links but Google Vancouver Sun January 30 2020 BC Killer Kelly Ellard Has Another Baby
@@sharong8511 Ain't that the truth. thanks for the update.
I read that she has 2 children.
@@Denise_Suzanne I would not doubt that. Her boyfriend was/is a gang leader.
"young age does not lessen the weight of the sin. no matter who throws the stone, it will sink in regardless" one of the best quotes in drama
Young age to me makes the sin more evil, the young are supposed to be more innocent not utterly evil
Agreed
Why are the police saying children, when they are all teenagers, they knew what they were doing.
Because we as a society have a weird view that teens are still "children" merely because they have not reached the magical age of 18.
what ever they call them their sentences are to low. they knew what they where doing and it can happen again
Well, as a Teacher, new research recently found teen's brains do not fully mature with regard to impulse control, decision making & consequences until age 25. This contradicts all previously held theory on brain development in children. Also, the statistics show children who grow up in abuse can become desensitised & see it as a norm they model & repeat. Or, they often repeat it to avoid their victim role & take back their lost power. And some will not abuse, but will be attracted to abusers in later life as it's familiar & abuse is what they think relationships are about..
@@sarahholland2600 Thats why they should not be allowed to vote
@@sarahholland2600 messed up world isn't it?
Some of the most cruel and brutal crimes are committed by teens. It's terrifying to think what these teens will be capable of when they have the means of adults.
MEAN GIRLS are a reality. They roam like preditors in the shopping malls. Don't do malls at all anymore.....no loss.
At least a sizeable portion of the time, teens that do brutal things will grow up to become decent people, and live to regret what they've done. Of course, many do not. The brain, especially the portion in charge of morality, isn't fully grown until 25 years of age. Abuse can stunt that development, and often times the person won't even be aware of it. The human brain is incredibly fragile.
And yet somehow we think its a good idea to put all of these teens together in a giant building together 5 days a week for 8 hours and we expect everything to be ok.
This is another example why school administrators, teachers, employees should pay more attention to the kids and keep a keen eye on bullies or suspected bullies.
One of the police officers stated, "I know it sounds cold" to say it was good to find the body so that we can investigate. Yes, that sounded cold. Not looking for the young lady right away, because she had gone off before, that was cold, too. If one of the daughters of the police unit was missing, you better believe that the police would start looking immediately, not wait for several days. Several other statements by the police sounded "cold," too. The poor young lady didn't have a chance.
I believe this tragedy could have been avoided had those teenage bullies been disciplined as they grew up. Children taught to treat others as they would like to be treated would never have done this.
And there is your answer. Bad parenting! Broken homes, drunken parents.
I think three of them were in a group home and they learned to play the game.
Depends what you mean by “discipline”, kids who face corporeal punishment/emotional neglect are far more likely to act out in violence. The idea that you can beat sense into a child is not based in reality. Consistent, strict parenting with high expectations and consequences fir your actions? Yes. “Discipline” in the traditional sense leads to more acting out, generally.
@@leaharchambault5796 Who said anything about "beating" sense into a child. I have 3 children. All of the disciplined without the use of "aggravated assault" Nowhere did I mention beat the child
More likely than not their parents were bullies, too.
How could human beings do this to another.... So sad... I'm in Canada but I don't remember this. Lest we forget. Remember Rena in our prayers. ❤
Because, their parents didn't bring them up properly...... Nevwr taught them right from wrong, or still worse, they never gave a damn to their kids ....
I'm Canadian too. Never heard this. From title of the video I assumed it was about Paul bernardo and Karla Homolka
@@ED80s It happened in Victoria, B.C.
@@athensmajnoo3661 The guy was head of a gang come on, you think that does not say it all. He was no doubt listening to mind bending rap and thinking it was cool to be a thug.
@@gwens5093 may be, you are right,..... People who think thug life is cool end up this way. No amount of parenting would help them probably.
Why didn’t those ppl who observed her limping across bridge ask her if she needed help? Surely someone could/ should have intervened? Tragic
It happens everywhere ...... people don't care about nothing only themselves ,greedy, evil, lazy,sick, sickopath etc on this world sad but true
I thought the same
The people who observed her walking across the bridge are the same people that just beat the life out of her. So I think that’s probably why they didn’t help….
It really pisses me off one of the guys talking keeps calling her ‘the missing girl’ even after her body is found, even when he’s describing her getting beat up. CALL HER BY HER NAME, SHE WAS PERSON. RENA.
Reena.
I remember this case- incredibly tragic. And the YOA (Young Offenders Act) in Canada is such a joke. Smh. R.I.P. Rena!!! 😭❤
Which year was it??
@@amirahabdi 1997
Bless her heart ❤. Rest in peace sweetheart X 🙏
It's the same in the UK. A rap on the knuckles and that's it. Total load of bollocks x
Canada's infamous Young Offenders Act. Due to stuff like the they changed it ...slightly....and gave it another name.
“Justice has been served” really? 10 years for brutally killing someone? And why those other teenagers who according to Canadian justice “just participated in the beating” didn’t get any punishment? You guys send a message you can almost kill someone, but if they don’t die you are okay.... will these 2 last murderers won’t be charged as well if the victim would have found unconscious and her life would have been saved?
Crap 💩 justice system
Apparently, nowadays, the murderer is the victim, not the victim itself. Unfortunatly.
I agree, we need FAR harsher punishments.
I was watching an episode of Dr. G medical examiner and a man died 30 years after a beating but since he died of complications from the incident, the person that beat him could have been charged for murder! The man died himself by then but I thought the law was pretty great! Strict laws like that should exist everywhere!
All participants were the eventual cause of her death. If she wasn't beaten so badly she wouldn't have been around for the final 2 to catch up to her . The last 2 yes did the final dead but all are to blame .
@@lewthrasher4194 - Exactly she couldn’t even run she needed to be taken to hospital even then before these two finished her off.
Canada wake up and give harsher penalties to criminals
Mind your own business. There is no justice haven't your figured that out yet. You can not undo the harm done.
@@gwens5093 So, your rude response conveys resignation. Just giving up is NOT the answer, by any means.
How do you think harsher penalties will make things better?
@@YaYaYaYaYaYaYa What impact do you think it would have, in terms of making things better?
Teenagers are sociopaths and some are pure evil. If you're different in any way or singled out for punishment for any reason by an adult or teacher when you are a kid then your life becomes hell. It took me until my 60's to give up trying to be accepted and even though I have very few friends I'm much happier. If I could talk to my younger self I would tell me to stop caring and just live your live according to what makes you happy then the years spent turning my heart to stone never needed to happen. RIP to Reena.
WHAT? A sociopath is an antisocial person who has no feeling and emotion. How dare you generalize every person to ever walk the earth I cannot believe someone just said this dumb a statement. And ur point of trying to fit in is in direct contradiction to your point of sociopath if they had no emotion they wouldn’t try to fit in research before you type
How the hell could they be a hung jury?!
It's Canada. Justice system is a joke.
How can these "kids" be so evil. I can't understand anyone who bullies to this extent.
This isn't bullying. This was torture and murder. We need to start holding these "kids" accountable, and stop calling them kids when they act like monsters
@@suzannenichols6900 i 100% agree with you.
@@MZ95 What does ISIS have to do with this case because we're talking about violence of school kids here..? I strongly condemn any acts of terrorism/violence by any group of people...
@@MZ95 You saw a lady in a hijab and had to bring ISIS in to it? By the same logic, are all Canadian teenagers murderers? Vilifying any group based on the actions of a few is repugnant, just like your pathetic attitude. Honestly, a young girl was murdered. What is wrong with you?
I can't understand anyone who even just bully...... life and soul are so fragile
I was beaten up many times. However, I didn’t allow the bullies to tarnish my gentle spirit. This poor girl. 💔
I feel so sorry for Rena. It makes me so sad to see what kind of sick people live on our planet and bring absolutely nothing good for society and our world. And I am sure they will not change by growing older, because they won't get wiser.
As part of the dude's punishment, he should be dropped off in South Central L.A., dressed in blue.
👏🏾👏🏾🤣🤣YES!
I agree
Justice was never servioused on this case the people who done this to this poor girl and that means all of them should be in prison for life
"servioused" ???
Absolutely agree with you
@@AussieBrit 😂
There is no such thing as justice. There is behavior and consequences and hopefully the consequences will deter bad behavior.
@@AussieBrit You are on UA-cam - TV and comments aka social media, if you didn't notice.
Its not a place where people write their Phd dissertation and research 😂😂😂😂
Life for life. Period. Those poison little monsters deserve to get exactly what they gave. Not out to ruin other lives.
unfortunately this did not happen. This crime was in 1997 and the male was released in 2010.. one of the girls was given overnight leaves from jail in 2017.. canada is truly a shithole
I totally agree!!!
Life for life
Well said, life is sacred, thats why killer should be killed . Life for life, divine saying, best way to prone justice on the land n to reform society.
Reena's mother forgave her daughter's killer. Because he owned what he did. He sincerely asked for forgiveness.
How can you say justice was served when a young girl was murdered in the perpetrators spent 7 years in jail?
What goes around comes around.someday they will also experience something like that to them and their families.
We can only hope. Not so much the families but them , but I doubt it.
I hope so!!!!!!!! And I am not happy saying this!!!
Only problem is these criminals have no conscience
i hope they suffer themselves. But not their innocent
kids.
There is such a thing as Karma - whoever denies it hasn't had much life experience yet.
In 10 years, his coming out of prison and his going to kill again. Wow
He's elegible fore parole after 7. Since he's working on himself he will probably get it if he applies for it.
Ok
@@elavke5441 He has a gang so he will hope the rivals don't kill him in jail.
6 months to a year in jail are you f ing serious!! Omg they all deserve LIFE IN PRISON!!! 😡😡 that poor girl I can't imagine the pain she went through! 😪 Rip Angel 👼🙏 no one can hurt you now 🙏🙏
The judicial system in Canada is a joke , and I have come to the same conclusion whenever I have watched a case similar to this. It seems like the criminals have more rights than the victim. If this had happened in the US the results and punishments would have been a lot different. Rest in peace Reena.
You should see our system in the UK. It's worse here.
Ok and in the USA mass shootings are as common as a fucking birthday party so idk what you means Bc if justice was not a joke in the US u would fix ur gun laws
There was no real justice for this young girl. All involved will pay for there part.They all were old enough to know what they were doing. There nothing but monsters.
Why did they keep calling her the missing girl? She was no longer missing and she had a name which they new from the beginning. Rena.
That bothered me too.
For me it is easier when they describe the people through their actions or any description that differentiates from others because names can be confusing especially when there are many names involved. It makes it easier for me to identify which one they are talking about.
he is disassociating...some of these policemen look traumatized...he even called warren "the boy"
I never understood the mentally that women have that if their boyfriend is cheating to go after the woman he's supposedly cheated with and not go after HIM!!
I especially take offence when it is said that the "victim did not die in vain" and then they go on to say what "good came from the death." Why does a person have to first die before these changes are made. Whatever happened to prevention rather than reaction?
The divers, man, what a job, geez. Can't imagine having to feel your way towards a body in deep, murky waters.
I had the same thought man. That takes some nerve and big ole balls
What year was this/didn't they have sonar?
@@Dovewcue. the chopper . . . .
@@quickchris10 even with sonar they would STILL have to do, essentially, a "blind" fingertip search under water.
Wouldn't catch me doing THAT job for ANY amount of money!!! 👀
@@quickchris10 1997
Unbelievable these crimes get lenient sentences! I can’t even imagine kid killers! It’s SHOCKING to the soul ! I hope and pray the victims family finds peace and that all these murderers find God! So sad and just EVIL
How come people who bring up their religion (as if it were everyone’s religion) on UA-cam always use ALL CAPS and exclamation points more than others? I wonder if science has an answer.
Honestly, it’s less shocking for teenagers to kill, kids yes, but teens no. They are impulsive, selfish, and their brains and frontal lobe have yet to fully formed. They think they are invincible and are trying to prove they aren’t kids anymore along with finding themselves, it’s honestly a really bad mix. Teenagers are the scariest.
Why should these murderers find god , your insane if you think they should find god , they are just evil and don’t deserve to live . Pls don’t preach god to these low life murderers ok
God ? The skydaddy who allowed all this to happen? He was was probably watching cheering and eating popcorn.
@SA S Every mass shooter in the states turns out to be a right winger. But keep up your attempt to blame everything in the world on liberals. Keeps you from well-needed introspection.
Sigh.... within the first minute, I had a flashback of this story before I had realized this was about Reena. I can’t remember my age, maybe sometime in 6th grade, the university students in my city put on a play about Reena’s story. I hate to say it traumatized me but it did. I know it wasn’t real and just acting but knowing Reena was real and their actions happened to her.. I still hear the [fake] punches. I can’t understand how these teenagers did this. I’ve never understood violence. It’s sick. RIP Reena Virk 💔
They did this at my school too in sixth grade and it T R A U M A T I Z E D Me I think about it all the time to this day
The way this story is reported,
ignores the fact that it was a hate crime.
I thought similarly until it was mentioned that Reena Virk had stolen one girl’s notebook or diary and then contacted that girl’s friends and lied that the girl had AIDS and was having sex with another girl’s boyfriend. It seems that Reena wasn’t an angel, either. Of course, what Reena did didn’t deserve being beaten up or murdered. It probably was a mixture of racism and revenge.
It is an extremely sad story and whoever wrote it left out the most important fact. Rena the victim's name was Rena and except the mention of her name right at the beginning, she was referred to as 'the body', 'the victim' and I suggest you count how many times you mention the killers names. Over and over again, really who gives a stuff about killers, these stories should honour and remember the dead. So she had her problems but she was someone's daughter. R.I.P. Rena l will remember you.🇦🇺🐨🇦🇺🐨🇦🇺🐨🙏🙏🏻🙏🙏🏻
Well when you work close to these tragedies you have to protect your own mental health and making it impersonal helps people sleep at night.
I noticed that as well. So disrespectful the way they keep saying the girl
@Ann Gabriel, you are so right. The whole thing and the outcomes leave me in complete shock at the kind of crimes I'm seeing in Canada.
thats what you take from this? Wrong pronouns?
I AGREE. I NEVER SPEAK A MURDERER'S NAME. I WOULD SAY, RENA'S MURDERER.
The minute I heard it was Canada I knew the sentences would be light.
Gosh the parents must have wished they had never moved to Canada, I cannot see girls in India behaving in such a violent manner. As for the justice system, every crime I watch take place in Canada it seems like the perps are out in a few years.
Yes but men behave that way in India !!!!!
No, she probably would have just ended up being honour killed or raped and dumped by the side of a road. Women's lives mean nothing over there. There's a fair amount of nasty stuff going on in Canada but it's nowhere near as bad as India.
@@PreetiSingh-bh1lu stop, teenagers do not behave like that in India. The chances of her rebelling are next to none. She was murdered by her fellow teens.
@@dhamm6532 you are right especially with the rape.
and yet our murder rate is low compared to other countries. Vengeance is not the main reason for incarceration
This ain't a mistake, this is MURDER. ALL eight of these killer kids, need to be reprimanded and put in prison for life. Stupid little kids... premeditated murder demands the highest form of punishment.
I just can't even phathom doing that to someone. Hell if I have to kill a bug I'm apologizing to it as I do so and I try to make sure it's dead with the first whack so it won't suffer.
* fathom
Same here.
@@AussieBrit haha thanks. Sorry at my age you would think I could spell all of my words correctly :)
I carry bugs and put them outside 😂
WEll, if you wanna get away with MURDER just move to Canada. What a shame. NO matter the age you have got to be held accountable for your actions. There is NO damn excuse in this case.
A similar thing happened in Finland
A group of teens beat another up quite severely, literally treating him as a ragdoll or some kind of toy designed to be beaten up, they eventually left and the poor guy had just enough energy to drag himself a few meters away, where he eventually died
What was the victim's name?
@@LiaLiaLia456 He was underage so no names were given, but theres a wikipedia page
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koskela_teen_murder
Then those lil bastards left her naked, basically corrupting her innocence in death. That is so cold.
We are walking in this world amongst a bunch of demons!
Exactly
Yes.
I had a rough childhood and I never killed anybody !!!! All of these kids should have gone to prison!!! It seems like the Canadian justice is as lame as the German 😔😢.... RIP Reena 💕
These kids ceased to be “children” when they committed premeditated murder.
Rest in peace dear girl they will get what is coming to them
It’s never worth it to fight over a man, especially if he did cheat.
The stories I've heard from frogmen would give most people nightmares.My dad was in the police force for 28 yrs and had frogmen as friends...I'd overhear a lot of stuff...I don't know if that had anything to do with me pursuing my line of work as a clinical psychologist,BUT so many ppl here need help.(Scotland)🏴🏴❤️❤️
All the best to you, you're a special soul to pursue this work. ❤
What does "frogmen" mean? Sorry if it's a stupid question. Also I give and have great respect for ALL LEO'S like your father💙
@@wedahollywood1235 frogmen are divers
I`ve gone through sexual abuse, drugs and alcohol in my childhood and youth, moved out from my parents when I was 16 and never have I thought of killing someone or ever hurt someone! This is disgusting!!!
You are a survivor maria j. God bless you and keep you safe. XXXX
Oh god I watched this one before I'm not watching it again it's too sad. I wish I could teleport and go back in time to save her from these monsters. Poor lonely girl didn't deserve any of this... :(
The behaviour of leading criminal ( even during the interrogation) in this horrible crime is showing narcissistic , egocentric personality without feeling of remorse. It is horrible . Poor victim ...poor her parents and family...
Here in the, USA, these kids would do life. I'm telling ya this was always a fear for me with my eldest daughter.( just graduated last weekend) I was afraid that the girls she hung out with, could kill her. They drugged her... lots of s+!+Trust me, signs were there. I've been a fighter my whole life; I adopted my daughter when she was, 5 years old. I chose to protect her ❤ and love her; with everything I could. I was her worst enemy ( at 13-16) saying "NO, YOU CAN'T GO OUT WITH THOSE GIRLS "! By their sophomore year, they tried to gang up on my kid. She kicked some serious ass! When the school officer called, I just simply said; I warned you of these girls. I feel no remorse for them. My daughter had taken up, kick boxing. Was never told to hurt anyone; but for defense only. The 5 girls never graduated, ended up in Juvy-- now 3 are in jail. We have to protect our kids! Teach them to protect themselves. This beautiful young lady lost her life for pure ignorance. My prayers are with the family. Yes, even for the families of the children who committed the crimes.
She wasn’t a beautiful young lady. She was just like them. They beat her because of her own despicable behavior and the two killed her to cover up the beating.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor Were you there?
Yes but there in USA you also have so much police brutality,wrongfully convicted,even on a death row
Just loot at innocence files and those cases they covered in USA and that will say enough about justice system in your country!
In USA you are guilty until proven inocent!
@@aleksalex1590 In the USA you innocent until proven guilty. The news media only shows what they want..Not all people are bad. Justice system is broken everywhere; respectively.
Yes thats why american court system works, there are no mercy.......but dont forget that our stupid world are getting soft on criminals.....
It's not really a life sentence if they can get out in a few years. I never understand why they would sentence people to life and then parole after 7 years? They always get released as soon as that parole date comes around. sometimes earlier.
For anyone interested in this particular case, Under the Bridge by Rebecca Godfrey is a pretty well done book about it.
And now it's a Hulu series.
I’m on Vancouver Island... this is so sad
Canada is a joke with its justice system. There is no justice
I wonder why the cop keeps referring to her as the missing girl when she’s been found dead and has a name.
Probably trying to distance him self so it doesn't affect him as much. Can you imagine what these guys have to take home every day?
I like your profile pic😃👍
It might help them to not start developing emotional attachments to the victim(s) in their cases. Or it's just habit for law enforcement to speak in this manner, health care professionals tend to have a similar way of addressing the patients too so I am gonna guess it's more habitual than anything else.✌
@@amodernalchemist432 thank you! And yeah that makes sense. A tactic to keep some distance from the victim or it may just be too hard of a job for anyone.
@@dontmindme633 that's also true! It's definitely a mentally and physically draining occupation.
He’s rcmp. They’re lucky that they had cops actually do a case for them. I’m indigenous and rcmp will regularly close obviously 🙄 active cases.
I was mentally and physically abused by my mother until the age of 14 when I moved out and could not take it anymore there is always excuses for the perpetrators it wasn't me I didn't do it blaming others instead of owning up to what they have done i am now in my 60s i have three beautiful children which i love more than my own life and i vowed that the day i have my first child that i would love and look after with every fibre of my being and that no matter what i went through as a child there would be no way i would ever do this to my children like my mother did to me this makes me sick to my stomach that a gang of young adults not children would harm such a beautiful girl in such a brutal way how would they like too be beaten over and over again to go through the pain and agony that this young girl did they deserve everything that the law allows Rest in peace young lady we all feel the pain of what you went through
6 -12 months in prison for aggravated assault,really?
Canada is too lenient in its sentencing process.
None of those " kids" should've been tried as adolescents. They're young adults, try them as adults!
The "two" that actually committed murder deserved life no parole!
Why are foster kids allowed to gather without the supervision of an adult? Why didn't the adults involve the kids in some activity like making donuts, playing games, singing etc. to keep them busy?
Well, that would be ideal; but they probably wouldn't be able to ask that of every situation. They probably had a curfew.
Many parents wouldn't allow their normal teens to hang out under a bridge at night. There is no way troubled foster kids should be out at night unsupervised. It's not that hard to organize fun activities. This isn't the first time foster children have murdered because they didn't have normal supervision.
Are you serious? It's one foster child and she was supposed to be going to see her parents.
@@barbarabrooks4747 In an ideal world the foster system would run smoothly, be fully supportive, and provide so many positive opportunities for teens, who'd perfectly behave according to their guardians' wishes. In reality, and as someone who spent time in BC foster care in 1997 at age 14, I can say that the system was (and still is) underfunded, and teenagers are generally going to be rebellious because they're hardwired to test boundaries at that age.
Her mother tried to warn her and told her that the girls didn't like her. Sadly she thought it would be okay.
Horrific crime! Not guilty and 6 to 12 months to the devils!!!
And then they help them change their name and identity to get a new start, while their victim will never have that chance.
@@TheRight-handedStranger
Changing names for released criminals happens in the UK, too. Jon Venables (and his criminal friend) who killed a little boy named James in 1993 now has a new anonymous identity. His friend does to! Disgusting!
@@K.Spade7902 - Yes I know about UK changing the names of young criminals I don’t follow them somehow after they are released to make sure they are not doing any new crimes. In the US any rapist from any age is added to “sex offenders list” even after they are released and people know if that person live someplace close to them and they extra careful for themselves and their children. That’s mean in US up to now innocent people are protected more than criminals. (I don’t know what the democrats will do now they seem to copy European and Canadian justice systems who protect more the criminals than innocent people).
Absolutely ridiculous! Shocking that these teenagers have gone this far and to stoop so low.
May the poor girl rest in peace 🕊️💜
8 young /adult are doing this to 1 person they’re evils and heartless 💔 😭
This is just horrific that poor girl 😖there just pure evil just one question is why why the hell would they be so cruel
A lot of people are cruel.Preying on the vulnerable.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 absolutely agree
Because Satan loves to turn people into monsters
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 Totally agree they are cruel bastards, lock them up and keep them in Prison for ever.
@@TKUA11 too right
Yeah, put your kid in foster care, that’ll straighten ‘em up! 🤯
I put my 13 year old daughter into therapeutic foster care. She had mental health concerns and I had researched every possible avenue of care and learned nothing was available in Canada. Mental health downplayed the severity of my daughters mental health issues which intensified over time. She was placed into therapeutic foster care in my desperate attempt to let mental health see the extent of her needs. Ironically as the depth of her needs became known to mental health workers no help was found to be available. When little finances are available limited options or no options exist. Remember behind choices there is a story.
@D S
That's one way to avoid taking responsibility for YOUR kid!
@@K.Spade7902 Right? Totally insane!
@@margaretno211 Sure. I understand the issues, and the lack of care. Unfortunately, it’s still a very bad idea. Also, this particular child had behavioral/disciplinary issues, and basically, the parent or parents passed their duties off to the state, which not very surprisingly, didn’t work out.
@@margaretno211 Does Canada not offer in home respite care?
This reminds me of a case that happened in the town I lived in in the Midwest in 1988. A brother and sister, she over 18, he was 16 burglarized the home of an elderly couple in the night apparently thinking they weren’t home. Well they were. In bed asleep. He found a small caliber semi automatic carbine and decided to shoot and kill both of these retired people. He was convicted of the murder but because his age all they could sentence him to was confinement in a mental hospital till age 21. And this is what was done …. The state changed the law after that to charge under age offenders as adults!
40:55 Robert Groves, Crime Scene Analyst examines garment without goves. The re-creations crack me up!