This version is the most acclaimed version and truest to the novel, it is a firm favourite of fans for a reason, the cast was perfect and this is how the witch is in the book, the 2021 film is good but the atmosphere, baron and the witch are all wrong, to much like Blade Runner 2049 in design. The actress here and the sequel did such a good job as Helen Mohiam. The 2000 miniseries is still so popular that is received a complete remaster 20 years after production, abit because of the new film
@@shawntipton5078 did Frank Herbert himself say that? this version is not what i imagined at all. i don't even care if Frank WOULD have agreed with you, he'd be wrong.
Much more depth in the original in just this scene alone. The Reverend Mother talks about the need to go against animal instinct, weeding out humans from animals using the gom jabbar.
Most critical scene of the first half of Dune and this movie doesn’t even try and explain it’s intent and purpose. Dune 2022 is in a whole different league. That movie makes me feel like I’m reading Dune for the first time (about 25 years ago).
Hmmm- slight departure from the novel there. Paul didn't have Voice when he first met the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam. In fact, she is the one to suggest to Jessica that he be taught this Bene Gesserit skill.
Why is there a scene missing at 148? In the missing scene, Paul describes his dreams to her & when he's done that's when she asks him what he thinks they mean. Without it, the rest of the scene makes no sense.
I think I had a DVD at one point that had the whole miniseries on it, and not this abbreviated version. In the version of this scene I remember, Paul describes his dreams briefly to the Reverend Mother, then she asks him what he thought his dreams meant, and that’s the point when he whips the voice out on her
I HATED the costumes they gave the BG in the miniseries - they are far too garish, too conspicuous. The book gives a very clear description of what GHM is wearing - a simple black robe with a hood. And it makes sense - these women are the equivalent of Catholic nuns and Shaolin fighters lall rolled into one. The Lynch movie makes better work of the costume GHM is wearing in this scene because it stays close to the book, while also adding extra touches such as the Tudor-style headdress that Sian Phillips is wearing, and the bald head which signals her Reverend Mother status. She certainly was not wearing a headdress almost twice as tall as she is..
The Bene Gesserit have silver like teeth and long sweeping robes. Paul never storms out like that in the novel. And they always cast Muad'dib so old...he supposed to be 15 in the beginning...I just don't know why it's so hard for production companies to follow the source material.
I agree, David Lynch's Dune visually is excellent, if there is ever a serious effort to remake the film I think they should pretty much stick with the Steam Punkish, Gieger Look, and should give someone like a Peter Jackson the $$$ he needs to do it the right way in a trilogy style (like Lord of the Rings) Also whoever they get to play the Baron has to be just as despicable and nasty as in David Lynch's film (like Hedger's Joker) he was my favourite villain
Sian Phillipps far better as Reverend Mother in the Lynch Dune. Kyle Maclaughin may have been a tad old, but he did a better job too. The new version has Charlotte Rampling as Helen Gaius. She will knock it out of the park.
@TheBrabon1 Well, Paul is also a young man mature beyond his years, so naturally he also SEEMS older, not to mention that the concept of childhood in the Dune universe does not seem to have the meaning it has for us. Children in the Dune universe have to take on the responsibilities of adults quite early - Paul is still in his teens when he starts leadinmg the Fremen revolt. As for McLachlan being too old for the part - I think Timothee Chalamet is not that much younger, if not the same age as McLachlan when he played the part. It's Alec Newman that looks to old, though he was about the same age as the other two - and they decided to amp up his youthfulness by making him petulant.
@@AntAciieed Agree, I thought Rampling was under utilized. Charlotte Rampling is good casting for the Reverend Mother. Hopefully the second movie will use more of her acting skills and make her a more formidable Reverend Mother as Sian Phillips was in the Lynch Dune.
I thought this actress took a good swing at it. Regal, arch, sinister. The way she talks with Jessica evokes the right things from the scene. But the changes to dialog aren't good - this was supposed to be your first solid hint that Paul can see the future and smell the truth but instead they just drop it. And it should have been used to establish what Paul's life looked like on Caladan - this should have been a baroque sitting room, not a spaceship set.
The scene didnt convey the stakes at all. Jessica just seemed a bit concerned but as an audience we dont get that she must veil her fear of potentially losing her son. She seemed way to casual. At least the filmmakers could had cross cut or hinted at her inner state of emotions.
I remember in the 1984 version, when Jessica is called back in after the test, her eyes are deliberately cast down at the floor clearly because she is terrified at what she might see if she looks over to where Paul and the Reverend Mother are. In this version, she might as well have been waiting for Paul to finish taking an algebra quiz.
The miniseries was more faithful to the book, but the Lynch movie had much better production design. The look of this scene screams “tv movie”, which of course it was.
This is the first time I've been able to force myself to watch this other version. Lynch's broken rock opera will always be far superior in my mind. There can be no other Paul than Kyle MacLachlan. If only the studio hand't destroyed his masterpiece. There is far more style, beauty, and mind blowing philosophy in Frank Herbert's little finger, and David Lynch's vision, than all the merchandise-driven, Disneyfied bullshit Star Wars universe, and I say that as a pretty rabid Star Wars fan. If only George Lucas had done as much psilocybin as Frank Herbert, the world would be a better place. Unfortunately Lynch's Dune was destroyed and doesn't seem to have survived the studio process, and this version is subject to the lack of investment caused by the fear in studio exec's hearts from the tremendous loss of cash caused by the 1984 Dune's failure at the box office. Boo hiss! Will J. J. Abrams take it on? I'd at least give it a shot in the theater, as long as the worms aren't beset with constant lens flare.
Many men have tried to watch this version of Dune. Tried and failed you ask. No. Tried and died. To me, David Lynch's version is a masterpiece. I've watched it many dozens of times.
Matt Stavis The studio execs aren't completely to blame. David Lynch got quite a few things wrong , like the weirding modules for instance. Those don't really fit in the world of Dune.
Zuzana Geislerová was not cut out for this part. She seemed more like a distraught grandmother than a sinister Bene Gesserit... Sian Phillips was vastly superior
Interesting position, but I was very fond of Francesca Annis as Lady Jessica - as for regal beauty and poise - I do not personally see how they could have scored higher in casting...
The Dune Miniseries was hit and miss for me. One one hand some of the costume designs where fantastic such as the Harkonnens with their Asian influence. On the other hand you had the Spacing Guild members who look like Klu Klux Klan members. Although the mini series was closer to the books, I still prefer Lynch's Dune. You just can't beat that Shakespearian feel it has to it.
The Dune miniseries was pretty forgettable. But there was once moment I wish had been kept in the 2021 film. After Paul kills the Fremen, he's upset and sheds a tear. The other Fremen see this, and whisper "He gives water to the dead."
Well they are aboard a Guild Heighliner orbiting Caladan at this point in the story so why wouldn't it look like a ship out of Star Wars? After all this is a civilisation that has been starfaring for tens of thousands of years at the point in time that Dune is set.
Susanna Geislerova [Helen Mohiam] tries to save this scene, but Alec Newman [Paul] just can't seem to get it right. By Children of Dune, Newman did a great job as Paul.
It's been decades since I read the book, but I seem to remember that the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam came to Paul's room with his mother who left. Is that wrong or did they change it for some reason?
The actress playing Reverend Mother Mohiam is actually a lot better than her performance here. I see what they're trying to do, and how much plot movement and detail they're trying to cover, but the dialog and costumes really detract.
I cannot take seriously this version of Dune. Let’s take apart bad costumes, weird kinda Star Trek ambients (cheap version of them), questionable acting...Paul here looks like he is 30 at least and as someone already pointed out in comments, gives 0 explanations about what is going on. I liked Children of Dune part though. I have really high expectations of 2020 version. Looks pretty amazing from the trailer
The movie version was a bit too abstract and confusingly written and shot...but it had a grandeur and theatricality that really supported the high-minded themes of the novel The miniseries is written much more organically...but it lost all its gravitas, trying to ground itself, and came out feeling entirely pedestrian. The lack of taking itself too seriously like the movie did ends up just highlighting the absurdity of the whole thing - the costumes, the accents, the operatic melodrama all feel out of place tonally. Hopefully the new one strikes the right line between them, and can be both realistic and epic
*In today’s sociopolitical climate - I kind of doubt it.* *SJWs will ruin the new Dune movie the same way they ruined Star Wars, Star Trek and Terminator.* *All of the great Sci-Fi franchises are being purposefully driven into the ground by SJWs who are trying to destroy the future.* *Frank Herbert’s author-avatar, Liet Kynes, was gender-swapped into a woman, because of the SJW Agenda - and I’m sure there are many more awful mistakes to come.* *Realistically, the **_Frank Herbert’s Dune_** miniseries, despite its imperfections will likely be as close to a perfect great adaptation of Dune as we will ever get.*
i don't get the negative comments. i think this is fine. the costumes look great to me. i see nothing wrong with the acting either. i'm also a fan of the 1984 film. are people really dissing this so heavily just because they saw the film first and because this is different from it?.
The costumes were great - it's not that they were bad, they were just bad for Dune. As far as the acting, well I must agree it comes across as wooden, or diluted compared to the characters portrayed in the 1984 version. But we can't blame all of that on the actors. The director takes a big slice of the pie when it comes to blame for what we see on the screen, how the actors bring the characters to life, etc. This version did not do the 1984 movie justice, and the 1984 movie did not do the book justice, so....that sort of puts things in common/popular perspective I think.
Is the Reverend Mother some type of High Priestess, Goddess or the Representive of God in Dune Myth? and Is anything else said about the Supreme God Creator the " Known Universe" ? thank you
You've waited a long time for this reply but here goes: No, the Reverend Mother isn't really a religious figure, she's more of a political one. In the Dune universe, the Bene Gesserit are an all female order of political schemers who are doing their best to bring about a "Kwisatz Haedarach" or a man who can unlock his full genetic memory. They've been arranging marriages for centuries, if not longer, all with the intent of combining the best genetics of humanity together to produce such a being. During the course of pursuing this goal, the Bene Gesserit have developed a number of skills that make them very useful political operators, such as the ability to modulate their voices in such a way that those who hear it find it impossible to resist the words uttered (Known as "The Voice", and you hear it here in this clip). Other abilities include mental control of the normally involuntary chemical processes within their bodies, this one is often used to choose the gender of their unborn children by manipulating their body chemistry to produce the desired result. That ability also gives them a very effective defense against poison, a grim reality of political life in the Dune universe. In the scene in this video, the Reverend Mother (Basically the leader of the Bene Gesserit) has come to scold the Lady Jessica for producing a male child instead of a female one as her superiors had ordered her. Also, she was there to size up Paul and see for herself if Jessicas insubordination had produced someone they considered to be worthwhile. As to the religious overtones, Dune is a bit complex in that regard. God is mentioned in a number of conversations throughout the book, as is something called the Orange Catholic Bible, which seems to be a holy text amalgamated from all of the most influential religions of humanity. How strictly the worship of god is observed in the Dune universe is never really fully explored but seems to be common.
@@thundercricket4634 However, there is not just one Reverend Mother - there can be several. Any Bene Gesserit who has taken an awareness-spectrum poison (which can be the Water of Life, but does not have to be) and has rendered it harmless within herself, and who has thereby gained access to her Other Memory is a Reverend Mother. It's just a grade within the sisterhood...But you're probably right in assuming that Gaius Helen Mohiam is at this point the head of the sisterhood.
I will add that the Sisterhood (and all women) could use the spice to be able to access their genetic memory. This gave them great apparent wisdom. Men using spice could predict the future. The Spacing Guild navigators used this to set their course through space. The Kesack Sadurack (sp) was to be "the One Who Sees Both Ways".
I like this Reverend Mother Mohiam better than the Lynch version. For starters, bald just isn't my thing. They already had Patrick Stewart, they didn't need any more shiny forehead than that. Although, I remain in awe that neither version figured out what Paul really was after the test.
Hm, well yeah. Some call it the "funny hats version of Dune"... :-D The most irritating costumes in the whole miniseries were those of Shaddam, I guess. Mainly that "mega-big white sleaves" one. :-P The stillsuits were the opposite - exactly according to the novel(unlike those in Lynch version, which looked like rubber diving suits totally unsuitable for any desert - the rubber would heat them up tremendously, no matter the cooling system)...
My wife used to go on about how painful childbirth is. Then she passed a kidney stone which is more frequent in men. She doesn't talk about women putting up with pain more than men anymore. Many great stories like Dune are believable because they're grounded in human biology. Then comes the envy and the story goes stupid so as not to offend by showing reality. The later Dune stories went to crap, as have so many others like Star Wars and Trek. We live in Bizarro world now.
I dunno if I agree with you. Lynch did a good job by staying truer to the book, but his gothic/industial/monocultural nightmare future was waaaay too blocky for my taste. I always imagined the Dune universe as being a cultural melting pot, with many influences and tastes, which the series managed to capture nicely. Plus Saskia Reeves is infinitely better at capturing to regal poise and sexuality of the Lady Jessica.
To be fair this is set on the guild ship which is basically an ocean liner. The accomodations would be basic as the journey itself is practically instantaneous. Its a glorified waiting room. In the book the scene takes place in castle Caladan.
little known fact about the reverend mother, she could safely descend to the planet on her own, with a wingspan like that hat
Is it also true she turns into a moth when night falls? Maybe an albino bat?
If she were a nun, they could make a show about her.
This whole scene did nothing to explain how deep the meaning of the Gom Jabbar was.
Yeah, I still think of it related to Skyhooks after watchimg this..
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This version is like a starwars spinoff we never asked for
This version is the most acclaimed version and truest to the novel, it is a firm favourite of fans for a reason, the cast was perfect and this is how the witch is in the book, the 2021 film is good but the atmosphere, baron and the witch are all wrong, to much like Blade Runner 2049 in design. The actress here and the sequel did such a good job as Helen Mohiam. The 2000 miniseries is still so popular that is received a complete remaster 20 years after production, abit because of the new film
You said that well.
@@shawntipton5078 cast is perfect? this dude looks 35 years old. That woman is supposed to be his grandmother and shes 21 years older than him
@@shawntipton5078 did Frank Herbert himself say that?
this version is not what i imagined at all. i don't even care if Frank WOULD have agreed with you, he'd be wrong.
@@shawntipton5078 Hats In Space is NOT the fan favorite, nor is it any truer to the book than Lynch or Denis.
I prefer the Dune 1984 Reverend Mother; far more sinister.
Sian Phillips was a powerhouse in her day. Check out her performance in "I Claudius" sometime.
Agree, she is awesome and still around at 84 years old.
That woman gave me nightmares she was so terrifying.
I definitely agree. She conveyed menace even without speaking.
Agree! This is weak sauce compared to the 1984 movie version of the same scene.
This is like a High School play version of Dune
The best thing is that all members of each family speak different English, ex. Irulan and the Emperor 😆 And indeed, it's like a school play acting
I liked it - the other movie cut too much out
@@robertverner7507 ya, the 1984 one also had dry acting
Can't be worse than that garbage-looking new adaption(a new low for production design).
So? What's wrong with a stage production of Dune?
After watching this I think I need some Spice to expand my mind again.
Shannmeister omg best comment here!
I need spice to forget this abomination exists. David Lynch's version was far better. tf were they thinking?
People complain about the 1984 version...that is Citizen Kane compared to this.
Much more depth in the original in just this scene alone. The Reverend Mother talks about the need to go against animal instinct, weeding out humans from animals using the gom jabbar.
Sorry, not a patch on the inimitable Siân Phillips and the dashing Kyle MacLachlan in the Lynch movie.
Yes, but one the main reasons is that the dialog sucks.
Give my Lynch's movie any day.
"Are you suggesting the duke's son is an animal?"
"On the contrary, I suggest you may be human."
although I like the miniseries better, the movie version of this scene is so much better.
The miniseries was Trash
I totally agree. This Reverend Mother is a lame overactor. The one from the David Lynch film was so subtle and compelling.
Everyone gets paul wrong.
Right now he is just 12 years old.
Yet everyone refuses to get a child to play this part.
15
Most critical scene of the first half of Dune and this movie doesn’t even try and explain it’s intent and purpose. Dune 2022 is in a whole different league. That movie makes me feel like I’m reading Dune for the first time (about 25 years ago).
Why did the priestess make Paul stick his hand into the pain box? She’s mentally fucked up
Dune Idiocrazy:
Paul: what is that?
Witch: a flashlight, for your Pp
This lady looks like the she should be in Masters of the Universe.
In this scene, they cut out the best part. The part where Paul talks about what he was dreaming about. What a shame.
Hmmm- slight departure from the novel there. Paul didn't have Voice when he first met the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam. In fact, she is the one to suggest to Jessica that he be taught this Bene Gesserit skill.
Why is there a scene missing at 148? In the missing scene, Paul describes his dreams to her & when he's done that's when she asks him what he thinks they mean. Without it, the rest of the scene makes no sense.
I think I had a DVD at one point that had the whole miniseries on it, and not this abbreviated version. In the version of this scene I remember, Paul describes his dreams briefly to the Reverend Mother, then she asks him what he thought his dreams meant, and that’s the point when he whips the voice out on her
The 1984 movie did a better job with the Bene Gesserit.
The book was better than that
@@timmy18135 What's the difference?
A better job with everything
Except for robbing Jessica of being a competent fighter. The scene with her and Stilgar is ridiculous, and they give all the training to Paul.
I HATED the costumes they gave the BG in the miniseries - they are far too garish, too conspicuous. The book gives a very clear description of what GHM is wearing - a simple black robe with a hood. And it makes sense - these women are the equivalent of Catholic nuns and Shaolin fighters lall rolled into one.
The Lynch movie makes better work of the costume GHM is wearing in this scene because it stays close to the book, while also adding extra touches such as the Tudor-style headdress that Sian Phillips is wearing, and the bald head which signals her Reverend Mother status. She certainly was not wearing a headdress almost twice as tall as she is..
every seen in this mini series screams the words "low rent"
I love the way she says, "that's right pray boy"
This is incredibly inaccurate. Paul can't use the voice for quite a while. Not till he's tied up with his mother on Arrakis.
I thought he still couldn’t use the voice at that point or it wasn’t developed enough to assume complete influence yet
@@lemonnomel9416 wow I made that comment 11 years ago. Hahaha, yeah it was an imperfect voice but his first manifestation of it.
Taylor Donaghy that might be the most time passed in a comment reply ever
This is the shortened version. The original one that I watched had Paul Atreides telling the old hag his dream in detail.
The Bene Gesserit have silver like teeth and long sweeping robes. Paul never storms out like that in the novel. And they always cast Muad'dib so old...he supposed to be 15 in the beginning...I just don't know why it's so hard for production companies to follow the source material.
BLKNGLD well, 15 on Caladan might be 20 on Earth 😄
The David Lynch Dune is SO much better, even with all it's failings.
it's also really rushed
I agree, David Lynch's Dune visually is excellent, if there is ever a serious effort to remake the film I think they should pretty much stick with the Steam Punkish, Gieger Look, and should give someone like a Peter Jackson the $$$ he needs to do it the right way in a trilogy style (like Lord of the Rings) Also whoever they get to play the Baron has to be just as despicable and nasty as in David Lynch's film (like Hedger's Joker) he was my favourite villain
@fuckysuckyjamtits - Shut up and take my money!
Sian Phillipps far better as Reverend Mother in the Lynch Dune. Kyle Maclaughin may have been a tad old, but he did a better job too. The new version has Charlotte Rampling as Helen Gaius. She will knock it out of the park.
@TheBrabon1 Well, Paul is also a young man mature beyond his years, so naturally he also SEEMS older, not to mention that the concept of childhood in the Dune universe does not seem to have the meaning it has for us. Children in the Dune universe have to take on the responsibilities of adults quite early - Paul is still in his teens when he starts leadinmg the Fremen revolt.
As for McLachlan being too old for the part - I think Timothee Chalamet is not that much younger, if not the same age as McLachlan when he played the part. It's Alec Newman that looks to old, though he was about the same age as the other two - and they decided to amp up his youthfulness by making him petulant.
I thought the new dune might have a better reverend mother but she wasnt
@@AntAciieed Agree, I thought Rampling was under utilized. Charlotte Rampling is good casting for the Reverend Mother. Hopefully the second movie will use more of her acting skills and make her a more formidable Reverend Mother as Sian Phillips was in the Lynch Dune.
I thought this actress took a good swing at it. Regal, arch, sinister. The way she talks with Jessica evokes the right things from the scene. But the changes to dialog aren't good - this was supposed to be your first solid hint that Paul can see the future and smell the truth but instead they just drop it. And it should have been used to establish what Paul's life looked like on Caladan - this should have been a baroque sitting room, not a spaceship set.
true.. the actress of the Reverend Mother did a fairly decent job..sort of like an old crone vibe..with white hair and all..
The scene didnt convey the stakes at all. Jessica just seemed a bit concerned but as an audience we dont get that she must veil her fear of potentially losing her son. She seemed way to casual. At least the filmmakers could had cross cut or hinted at her inner state of emotions.
I remember in the 1984 version, when Jessica is called back in after the test, her eyes are deliberately cast down at the floor clearly because she is terrified at what she might see if she looks over to where Paul and the Reverend Mother are.
In this version, she might as well have been waiting for Paul to finish taking an algebra quiz.
well, despit what everyone says i still loved the miniseries more than the lynch movie.
and children of dune was, by far, superior to both.
@Stuart Riley - I bet your mother doesn't even like you.
@Stuart Riley - How do you know she doesn't do anything? She could be very busy for all you know.
I agree
Me "WTF lady, are you supposed to be some kind of mouse?"
Mua'dib
The miniseries was more faithful to the book, but the Lynch movie had much better production design. The look of this scene screams “tv movie”, which of course it was.
This is the first time I've been able to force myself to watch this other version. Lynch's broken rock opera will always be far superior in my mind. There can be no other Paul than Kyle MacLachlan. If only the studio hand't destroyed his masterpiece. There is far more style, beauty, and mind blowing philosophy in Frank Herbert's little finger, and David Lynch's vision, than all the merchandise-driven, Disneyfied bullshit Star Wars universe, and I say that as a pretty rabid Star Wars fan. If only George Lucas had done as much psilocybin as Frank Herbert, the world would be a better place. Unfortunately Lynch's Dune was destroyed and doesn't seem to have survived the studio process, and this version is subject to the lack of investment caused by the fear in studio exec's hearts from the tremendous loss of cash caused by the 1984 Dune's failure at the box office. Boo hiss! Will J. J. Abrams take it on? I'd at least give it a shot in the theater, as long as the worms aren't beset with constant lens flare.
Voted most intelligent comment of February 2016!
Many men have tried to watch this version of Dune.
Tried and failed you ask.
No. Tried and died.
To me, David Lynch's version is a masterpiece. I've watched it many dozens of times.
Matt Stavis The studio execs aren't completely to blame. David Lynch got quite a few things wrong , like the weirding modules for instance. Those don't really fit in the world of Dune.
What Matt Said
Amen
Yet the BG took no further notice of Paul after this test
In Soviet Russia, THE GOM JABBAR MEETS YOU !
I guess this isn't the director's cut...
Zuzana Geislerová was not cut out for this part. She seemed more like a distraught grandmother than a sinister Bene Gesserit... Sian Phillips was vastly superior
Interesting position, but I was very fond of Francesca Annis as Lady Jessica - as for regal beauty and poise - I do not personally see how they could have scored higher in casting...
My Beautiful Reverend Mother
YOU FEEL YOU HAND CRISPIN, LIKE, EHHH, CHICKEN
The lady is not a crone as the book says.
The Dune Miniseries was hit and miss for me. One one hand some of the costume designs where fantastic such as the Harkonnens with their Asian influence. On the other hand you had the Spacing Guild members who look like Klu Klux Klan members. Although the mini series was closer to the books, I still prefer Lynch's Dune. You just can't beat that Shakespearian feel it has to it.
This is a brilliant series. Ignore the haters
The Dune miniseries was pretty forgettable. But there was once moment I wish had been kept in the 2021 film. After Paul kills the Fremen, he's upset and sheds a tear. The other Fremen see this, and whisper "He gives water to the dead."
That’s gonna be the beginning of the 2nd film for sure. In the book, it’s during Jamie’s funeral/water extraction
Paul meets the butterfly lady at Comicon more like it...
Is VERY difficult to beat the Lynch version. But by the way the whole room is so wrong, it is like being looking STARWARS
Well they are aboard a Guild Heighliner orbiting Caladan at this point in the story so why wouldn't it look like a ship out of Star Wars? After all this is a civilisation that has been starfaring for tens of thousands of years at the point in time that Dune is set.
You realize Dune is called "Star Wars for Adults" right?
The high school play version of Dune.
Every Sports bar should have one of these...
Susanna Geislerova [Helen Mohiam] tries to save this scene, but Alec Newman [Paul] just can't seem to get it right. By Children of Dune, Newman did a great job as Paul.
This was a great mini series my dad got me in to Dune and Lord of the rings
Based dad
I still resent him for forgiving the Reverend Mother. A human would have revenged.
Too bad Jodorowsky never got to direct this. A lot of the sets and scenes look like they were borrowed from his movie Holy Mountain.
I thought the series was an awful production on multiple levels, but I prefer the look of the original film, which also failed for other reasons.
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It's been decades since I read the book, but I seem to remember that the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam came to Paul's room with his mother who left. Is that wrong or did they change it for some reason?
Paul looks older than the Reverend Mother.
1:50 Damn, this version of Paul was Batfleck this whole time!
The actress playing Reverend Mother Mohiam is actually a lot better than her performance here. I see what they're trying to do, and how much plot movement and detail they're trying to cover, but the dialog and costumes really detract.
I'd fire the entire palace security after this...
I cannot take seriously this version of Dune. Let’s take apart bad costumes, weird kinda Star Trek ambients (cheap version of them), questionable acting...Paul here looks like he is 30 at least and as someone already pointed out in comments, gives 0 explanations about what is going on. I liked Children of Dune part though. I have really high expectations of 2020 version. Looks pretty amazing from the trailer
The movie version was a bit too abstract and confusingly written and shot...but it had a grandeur and theatricality that really supported the high-minded themes of the novel
The miniseries is written much more organically...but it lost all its gravitas, trying to ground itself, and came out feeling entirely pedestrian. The lack of taking itself too seriously like the movie did ends up just highlighting the absurdity of the whole thing - the costumes, the accents, the operatic melodrama all feel out of place tonally.
Hopefully the new one strikes the right line between them, and can be both realistic and epic
*In today’s sociopolitical climate - I kind of doubt it.*
*SJWs will ruin the new Dune movie the same way they ruined Star Wars, Star Trek and Terminator.*
*All of the great Sci-Fi franchises are being purposefully driven into the ground by SJWs who are trying to destroy the future.*
*Frank Herbert’s author-avatar, Liet Kynes, was gender-swapped into a woman, because of the SJW Agenda - and I’m sure there are many more awful mistakes to come.*
*Realistically, the **_Frank Herbert’s Dune_** miniseries, despite its imperfections will likely be as close to a perfect great adaptation of Dune as we will ever get.*
i don't get the negative comments. i think this is fine. the costumes look great to me. i see nothing wrong with the acting either. i'm also a fan of the 1984 film. are people really dissing this so heavily just because they saw the film first and because this is different from it?.
The costumes were great - it's not that they were bad, they were just bad for Dune. As far as the acting, well I must agree it comes across as wooden, or diluted compared to the characters portrayed in the 1984 version. But we can't blame all of that on the actors. The director takes a big slice of the pie when it comes to blame for what we see on the screen, how the actors bring the characters to life, etc. This version did not do the 1984 movie justice, and the 1984 movie did not do the book justice, so....that sort of puts things in common/popular perspective I think.
World of Hats.
That casting though. Paul and Jessica look like brother and sister...
Apparently fashion designers are the only ones allowed to make and sell hats in the future.
I loved Paul as emperor in that movie despite it being a short period
superbe version !
i love both miniseries.. but in this scene Lynch's version is miles better
By Way Of Deception he fucked up the baron though :-/
Less stylized here, the lines are delivered with less mindless melodrama.
Less passion. This version is pretty tepid.
The reverend mother in Lynch’s version was more compassionate, which doesn’t seem to fit as well
For what it’s worth, I think this version is closer to the book
Castle Caladan looks like a set from Stargate?
What's with the hats in this movie? Drives me crazy!
*THE GUILD DOES NOT TAKE YOUR ORDERS*
The changes in dialogue are not for the better
Why do NONE of the adaptations have the Reverend Mother having blue within blue eyes?! Ugh.. It's like no one read the books.
Every version of Dune has some good parts. It will be hard to get the right mix.
After the recent disaster of the Star Wars franchise, it seems that Dune is ready for the same fate. Don’t mess up with cinematographic monuments.
Is the Reverend Mother some type of High Priestess, Goddess or the Representive of God in Dune Myth? and Is anything else said about the Supreme God Creator the " Known Universe" ? thank you
You've waited a long time for this reply but here goes: No, the Reverend Mother isn't really a religious figure, she's more of a political one. In the Dune universe, the Bene Gesserit are an all female order of political schemers who are doing their best to bring about a "Kwisatz Haedarach" or a man who can unlock his full genetic memory. They've been arranging marriages for centuries, if not longer, all with the intent of combining the best genetics of humanity together to produce such a being. During the course of pursuing this goal, the Bene Gesserit have developed a number of skills that make them very useful political operators, such as the ability to modulate their voices in such a way that those who hear it find it impossible to resist the words uttered (Known as "The Voice", and you hear it here in this clip). Other abilities include mental control of the normally involuntary chemical processes within their bodies, this one is often used to choose the gender of their unborn children by manipulating their body chemistry to produce the desired result. That ability also gives them a very effective defense against poison, a grim reality of political life in the Dune universe.
In the scene in this video, the Reverend Mother (Basically the leader of the Bene Gesserit) has come to scold the Lady Jessica for producing a male child instead of a female one as her superiors had ordered her. Also, she was there to size up Paul and see for herself if Jessicas insubordination had produced someone they considered to be worthwhile.
As to the religious overtones, Dune is a bit complex in that regard. God is mentioned in a number of conversations throughout the book, as is something called the Orange Catholic Bible, which seems to be a holy text amalgamated from all of the most influential religions of humanity. How strictly the worship of god is observed in the Dune universe is never really fully explored but seems to be common.
@@thundercricket4634 However, there is not just one Reverend Mother - there can be several. Any Bene Gesserit who has taken an awareness-spectrum poison (which can be the Water of Life, but does not have to be) and has rendered it harmless within herself, and who has thereby gained access to her Other Memory is a Reverend Mother. It's just a grade within the sisterhood...But you're probably right in assuming that Gaius Helen Mohiam is at this point the head of the sisterhood.
I will add that the Sisterhood (and all women) could use the spice to be able to access their genetic memory. This gave them great apparent wisdom. Men using spice could predict the future. The Spacing Guild navigators used this to set their course through space.
The Kesack Sadurack (sp) was to be "the One Who Sees Both Ways".
It's still rediculous. The changes in this and the previous movie are so blatant that it has been warped.
@Shipgate Yeah I've always defended your comment despite 'its' lack of accuracy.
The books were such an all encompassing universe it is impossible to put into film. Both versions had to use shortcuts to try to tell the story.
I like this Reverend Mother Mohiam better than the Lynch version. For starters, bald just isn't my thing. They already had Patrick Stewart, they didn't need any more shiny forehead than that. Although, I remain in awe that neither version figured out what Paul really was after the test.
You’ve taken too much spice.
@@campbellseaton - Hence my prescience means I'm right.
Hm, well yeah. Some call it the "funny hats version of Dune"... :-D The most irritating costumes in the whole miniseries were those of Shaddam, I guess. Mainly that "mega-big white sleaves" one. :-P The stillsuits were the opposite - exactly according to the novel(unlike those in Lynch version, which looked like rubber diving suits totally unsuitable for any desert - the rubber would heat them up tremendously, no matter the cooling system)...
The SyFy series did some things very well; this is not one of them.
Denis Villeneuve Version 🙏
Who did the costumes George at Asda?
Theodore Pistek iirc!
Why is she wearing a butterfly on her head?
You know, that weirding voice reminds me of Sarah Kerrigan as the Queen of Blades from the first movie.
I find this box scene interesting, however I like the original movie version of this better.
The clothes look so cheap and badly made The wig was straight from Party City. This reverend mother sucked
she was far better than the 1984 one, that one was so dry
Didnʼt know the Triumvirate sent Kreia to Arrakis lol...
all the costumes look like they were bought from walmart
My wife used to go on about how painful childbirth is. Then she passed a kidney stone which is more frequent in men. She doesn't talk about women putting up with pain more than men anymore.
Many great stories like Dune are believable because they're grounded in human biology. Then comes the envy and the story goes stupid so as not to offend by showing reality.
The later Dune stories went to crap, as have so many others like Star Wars and Trek. We live in Bizarro world now.
Kul Wahad!
I supposed that paul is 15 years old...but in this case...it seems he,s at least 20 :P
In the miniseries the costumes were ludicrous.
In the Lynch production Jessica is much more beautiful than this one.
Paul could not use the voice at this point in the book!
does anyone know how to find the whole miniseries online??
I think the movie did a better job with the atmosphere of this scene.
This is a test I'd love to see Trump take. Seeing the R.M. calling in the entire Bene Gesserit with their gom jabbars.
I dunno if I agree with you. Lynch did a good job by staying truer to the book, but his gothic/industial/monocultural nightmare future was waaaay too blocky for my taste. I always imagined the Dune universe as being a cultural melting pot, with many influences and tastes, which the series managed to capture nicely. Plus Saskia Reeves is infinitely better at capturing to regal poise and sexuality of the Lady Jessica.
To be fair this is set on the guild ship which is basically an ocean liner. The accomodations would be basic as the journey itself is practically instantaneous. Its a glorified waiting room. In the book the scene takes place in castle Caladan.
This is the proof for Star Wars is not a Dune rip off, and Denis Villeneuve's version is the best