Children of Dune 3 Leto II & Ghanima - Lady Jessica Atreides Grandmother Arrives
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Princess Irulan was a tragic character. Manipulated and not strong enough without her father she redeemed herself after causing Chani's death by becoming a very loving and caring mother surrogate to Leto and Ghanima.
I can see the expectation of love in Alia's eyes when she first saw her mother after many years. She expected her mother to show real affection to her. Then her eyes turned darker when she sensed that Lady Jessica only focused on her grand children. Poor Alia!
I tell you what is the saddest part of this clip. Alia gets her cuddle, but almost instantly realises her mother's attention has already switched to that of the twins from the tiny move of the head, and you can see her expression fall. Some jealousy, but aw, Jessica, let her have a proper cuddle.
If you'd read the books the sad truth is Alia's paranoia is true Jessica was there as a BeneGesserit Rev to JUDGE her preborn offspring(superficial hug to daughter, wrote her off already & focused on the Twins) & try gain control again of their genetic material thru future mating(but it was ALIA's CHOICE to give into her family enemy Baron spirit was HER bad need for power control CHOICE not a victim, there were MANY others to help control her multivoices)
@@klyanadkmorr I I have read them, several times. But I try to see other interpretations of things on their own merits. Always difficult to know whether for a "new thing" to watch or read first. I almost always read.
Standard fare for a Narcissistic relative..no Spice necessary!
@@klyanadkmorrI disagree. Paul abandoned everyone in his grief, Jessica did the same and the twins were infants. In her attempt to control the empire she dove into the spice trance over and over seeking prescience. What she got instead was possession. Too me her story is about a teenage girl overly burdened with responsibility and to cope she does drugs that result in an overdose. Her story is a tragedy and I don't think she's truly the villain.
Damn Paul just shows up to the family reunion after a decade away to say "f-you" to everyone
😂😂😂😂
Ghanima:were going to lose her arent we.
Leto:...we already have.
@3:35
Great acting. Alia at first is genuinely happy to see her mum and hugs her but as she does, she senses that Jessica is looking at the twins.
Her features stiffen as she realizes that her mother doesn't really care about her (never has)... she is only interested in the twins.
"If my mother wasn't that complex neither of you would be here."
Nice to see Jessica getting credit for setting the story in motion
Complex is hardly the word for it.
Willful would be more accurate - it wasn't complexity that led her to disobey her mandate from the Bene Gesserit and have Paul instead of a daughter, there has never been any indication of any great master plan or like from Jessica on that score, just that she simply decided that would be the way it would be.
Not to mention if Yueh wasn't the man he was then he would have left nothing for them to escape with - despite the betrayal he did still have hopes that Paul would survive and avenge his fathers death.
Hardstrong Jessica loved her Duke...Aware of the ruthlessness of Leto as well. Plans within plans...Jessica had plans beyond being Leto’s Royal bedmate. The books cover this in depth.
@@gentleraine480 Can you explain something to me I've never understood? I understand (at least I thought I did) Jessica choosing to give Leto a son. But why did she wait 15 years to have the daughter? Oh, I know what is said in Dune in her own reflections, that the threat of death prompted in her the urge to reproduce. That, too, is understandable. But she had had 15 years to give the Bene Gesserit the female offspring they wanted from her. Why not a daughter much earlier after the son?
It was not just that Jessica was to give Duke Leto ONE daughter; she was ordered to bear him ONLY daughters - just as Irulan's mother did and obeyed. And Jessica had defied them by giving Duke Leto the son he desired because she had fallen in love with him. But very likely, she felt ambivalent about what she did, and at any rate by the time she had disobeyed the order, she was as good as a renegade as far as the BG were concerned and not even bearing a daughter immediately after that could have amended for her transgression. Even more so, this daughter would also be tainted by her mother's defiance. Jessica might have felt guilty after that and refrained from intercourse with the Duke, or more likely changed her body processes so that she wouldn't conceive a child while doing so. Interestingly, Alia initially is a child of love just as much as her brother Paul is, conceived in a moment of passion between her parents (where Jessica very likely had her guard down and did not take any precautions).
I think the excuse the Bene Gesserit wanted a girl for a diplomatic marriage to the Harkonnen heir does not fly as far as I am concerned. They could easily have had that by ordering Jessica to bear at least one daughter and they still could have bred that daughter with Feyd and they would not have lost the bloodline - never mind that this would have been incest from two sides. All the more so, that argument does not fly because the union between Jessica and Duke Leto already WOULD have been the union between the two houses that they desired, as Jessica is the daughter of Baron Valdimir Harkonnen and so carries the bloodline within her. I know that Jessica's parentage was officially unknown but with the power base that they had, the BG could easily have changed that and presented Jessica as a Harkonnen daughter.
I think the true reason for Jessica being ordered to bear only daughters is that the BG knew that if she bore a son, he would likely be the Kwisatz Haderach they desired but one generation too early and very likely uncontrollable to them. What is more, they must at least have acknowledged the liklihood of this happening several generations before Jessica was even born, as they sent their Missionaria Protectiva to Arrakis, planting the Legend of a Bene Gesserit and her son as the saviors of the Fremen. They feared the Kwisatz Haderach coming one generation too early not because he would be the wrong mix of bloodlines (and Paul wasn't); they feared him because he would set the events in motion that would finally unseat them from their power. (All the same, they built a few failsafes into their plan)
Yes, but Alia does not say this to give credit to Jessica for the existenceof the twins, but to put the twins on guard. Also, as Alia said, Jessica is complex, but not in the way Alia implies. Jessica conceived Paul against the bidding of Bene Gezerit out of love for her Duke. This is not a lowly motive and actually suggests that she places love and family above Bene Gezerit. Jessica wants to test the twins for abomination, but any sane person would have tp do the same out of duty to humanity. Alia here implies that Jessica doesn't distinguish between preborn and abomination, which is a lie and manipulation. For anyone reading between the lines of Alia's warnings, it is clear that she has already moved to the dark side.
Alia is the most tragic character in the entire series
By far.
Nah Leto 3500 year of being a worm 🪱 lol
@@dr_rune It's nuanced. Jessica had no idea what would happen in the water of life. She had no idea what might befall her unborn daughter. She was an acolyte, not a BG reverend mother. She was a cog in the bloodline, who took a chance with a son, to please her Duke. The water of life was a near-death experience for all adepts, so surviving it was first priority. Perhaps she might have killed her daughter to spare her trauma, but the 'woke' direction dared not grasp that issue. P'raps Paul was to blame? Apart from ducking the 'Terrible Purpose' fate which then fell to Leto 2, Paul must've foreseen what a brat Alia would become..but then maybe her prescience blocked his..he certainly didn't forsee twins. What's done is done, stuff happens!
Nah, Duke Leto got it bad! Herbert od'd on Greek tragedy with him an Yueh! Spare a thought for poor Wanna too!
And most beautifull.
Ghani: "We're going to lose her."
Leto: "No, we already have."
💔💔💔😭😭😭😭😭😭
That's not Chani. That's Ghanima, Chani's daughter.
@@gaiusflaminius4861 Notice he said "Ghani" and not "Chani".
The way she whirls around when she hears "mother" heartbreaking.
Imagine if the mother of someone you had worshipped as a living god paid you a visit. The Fremen who see Jessica and hear her words will pass the experience on through generations of their family.
Irulan would have made a wonderful mother, she did a great job raising Paul and Chani's children, she raised them as if they were her own, but it could have also been guilt that got her to treat them like her own, since she is partially responsible for their mothers death
It was very different in the books. Irulan was a willing pawn and very shrewish. It was only when Paul became blind and went to the dessert did she realize she loved Paul.
Janes McAvoy is soo gorgeous here!
I need to stop watching these clips and go straight drink my fill at the source. I never knew i needed Professor X as Leto II in my life.
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Jessica raided the wardrobe of Yzma in The Emperor's New Groove. “To the secret lab! Pull the lever Kronk!”
"Wrong leveeeeeer!"
@@wiinterflowers4277 "Why we even have that lever."
People mock SyFy adaptation of Dune. Saying it’s a high school play. It’s unwatchable. Production quality is horrible. Those same people don’t care that it’s the most book accurate adaptation of Dune. They compare it to a massive, big budget production quality of the new Dune movies. A product that is masterfully made films but took artistic freedom to change so many parts of the book.
I appreciate the new Dune movies for what they are. But this miniseries I hold with more appreciation for staying true to the novels more so than any other.
well said
I call the new movies 'Dune Wars'. It throws away all the political rivalries, the manipulations of religious prophesies, the 'plans within plans' and turns it into, 'Young boy grows up and saves the universe from the evil empire'. I hold the SyFy series to the best adaptation. Even though the special effects were limited it still tells the best story and holds true to the books.
@@roywhittle1 The political rivalries and scheming subplots just weren't all that important to Dune in the long run. The religious and messianic aspects are very obviously there in Villeneuve's adaptations, and Paul very much not depicted as "Luke Skywalker". I think Villeneuve placed the correct emphasis on the Nietzschean Übermensch rising up to the occasion, despite knowing the consequences, to lead a people filled with furious life and faith to overcome all the rivalries and schemers. The real planners that matter are the more esoteric and fringe groups anyway. These things become even more important in the later books, where any further plots (like against Leto II) are just means to further things along for new panels of the big picture.
"Sand will cover you"...spoken right to Leto 2 foreseeing his Son taking the Golden Path. Ironic that he later chastizes Leto about it.
Prescient cant "forsee" another prescient. Thats why leto2 himself made sure his decsendent (siona).
Bit scary when the Borg Queen turns up....
Alice Krige! I saw her in Vancouver once, on Robson St. just after she played the Borg Queen. I have a sharp eye even though she was wearing a hat and trench coat looking like carmen sandiego :-) I waved at her, she waved back.
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IMHO Alice Krige is the best portrayal of Lady Jessica Atreides & a full formed Bene Gesserit. The next is the Lynch actress then the Syfy DUNE series woman who was only hired because Alice couldn't schedule to do the first series, the last & LEAST Jessica actress is Dune 2021 Rebecca Furgeson, 1st because she mocked even reading the book and dismissed the females & Bene Gesserit never reading the book as MISOGYNIST! That damned her in my eyes and all WB PR has shut her up since. Then Denis directs her to play Jessica as endlessly crying like a weak mouse in private as if that makes her a twue woman. As a 80's feminist I despise such regressive thinking posing as better progressive modern.
Good on the next generation recognizing how calculating and intelligent Jessica was.
hah you are just joking as TNG the movie was already 5yrs over in the theaters by the time of this TV movie
@@klyanadkmorr Next generation of family.
@@ImOldandSoAreMyBooks LOL so many post comments of the actress being from Star Trek, I auto assumed Next Generation you meant Alice Krige as the Borg Queen ☺
Lady Jessica is a full Reverend Mother by this point. She herself has taken the Water of Life , and survived . She is no small thing. Her grandchildren may know full well that they are Kwisatz Haderach. However, you still tread lightly around full Reverend mother. Emotions don't come into this.
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I ADORE Alia's accent
This was such a great mini-series, and it is so little-known.
I have it and love it. And how important Irulan became. Her and Jessica finally had a mutual respect.
I have and it's one of my faves.
Mcavoy elevated this production so far beyond it's budget, love this series.
ITA!! The Synergy and chemistry acting in harmony between James as Leto and Jennifer Brooks/Ghanima is Electric plus the Soundtrack makes this a Very excellent entry into Dune reproductions in visual media film/TV. My negatives are that weirdly Mcavoy & Brooks look more like children of Lynch's DUNE Paul & Chani, thus I reversely watched the Syfy Dune and could not stand the actor for Paul Atreides. And the Alia actress seems too soap operaish in her acting style than theatre.
That was James McAvoy he's so young in this sci-fi channel sequel to Dune.
This was what was going on in Jessica’s head that day 😂: “Irulan...she’s not aged a day, she is an affront. Alia...she’s fallen into the forbidden way, abomination...the twins, God knows...”
The actress who played Alia was so beautiful.
A bit too tall for the role.
@Wild bill True.
Very well done. My one quibble is the eyes. Maybe too expensive back then? Everyone in the crowd should have totally blue eyes, even the whites of the eyes.
Yes I agree and Irulan who has been living in Arrakis for years after renouncing the Bene Gesserit should totally have blue eyes by this time. Yeah it would be expensive to have everyone have the blue eyes CGI.
Wow, the boy was James Mcavoy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man its pretty sad seeing Leto and Ghanima know that they're going to lose Alia.
*already lost Alia - she's been gone for some time at this point, they look at her that way because their own memories tell them who has clawed their way to the back of her eyes.
Thank for uploading this clip, it’s very nice.
I love Dune and All of its adaptations. One amusing thing I always love about Jessica, this Regal and sophisticated aristocratic presence, is that she has the ability to utterly kick the ass of any of the Fremen (or their enemies). In the books, Stilgar initially worries that she’ll simply take over Fremen society by simply killing all the Naibs in single combat, which she could have easily.
Some of the Fremen wanted Paul to do that, but he slapped them down: "Do you think I'm going to leave every seitch in the erg without a leader just to provide you with a circus? Do you think the Lisan al Gaib that stupid?"
Costume design is much better than the first miniseries. Leto and Ghanima are some hip looking twins!
I miss all the funky hats. . .
Yes, but there is still a discrepancy - as if they lavished a lot of production value of the big stars who were playing the lead roles, and then started scrimping and pinching on the others. And the costume choices are still a little off - when Jessica arrives on Arrakis, a very hot planet, she is clad in a costume that features FUR. OK, she is coming from Caladan, a very water-rich and no doubt also cooler planet, but she still might have changed on the way. That and the fact that women are often wearing pants under their skirts.
Christiane Alshut Trust me, that ship has some crazy AC. She changed once situated in the palace.
I would bow to Alice Krige no mater the occasion or her character. Long live the Queen!
Yes, she's impressive as the Borg Queen, and again, excellent here..
Jessica should have blue eyes too.
She had been off plant for 10 years without exposure it's not as strong. But she is amazing
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Thanks Again.
Poor Alia. 😢
@@Stephen64138 stfu, she’s a tragic character
Yes, you're right; she seems always to come as an afterthought to her mother: Her being pre-born is due to her mother putting her brother first (she underwent the ritual knowing of the risks for a pregnant woman, but she did it to cement Paul's position within the Fremen tribe), and Jessica always had an ambivalent attitude towards her because she secretly shared the Bene Gesserits' attitude towards those who are pre-born. And here, notice how Jessica does embrace Alia and at first, Alia is almost happy, but then she is becoming aware that while Jessica is embracing her, she looks at her grandchildren instead - and once more she is only second fiddle to someone else. You can see it in her initial smile slipping away and her face hardening.
I think it is fitting that of all things, Alia became possessed of the ancestral memory of her grandfather, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen because she killed him - and in a cold and devious way at that. And these are not Atreides traits - they're Harkonnen traits, which Alia had inherited from her grandfather. I think in a way, her being possessed by him started at the point she killed him, and there was no escape at any time.
Fear is the mind killer. I will face my fear, I will let covid pass through me.
I love the flashes of the ancestor-selves in Alia's mind, Jessica crying out to her in worry while the Baron gloats and seduces.
Funny how no one recognized him. Not even his mother.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 Agreed but there is a point, it's a feint within a feint. All sides know deep down it's Paul but the thing has to run it's course.
His voice snapped them all around. Almost a command they couldn’t refuse.
If I remember correctly, In thr book hes more unrecognizable. Except the shallow eyes. Which, in the book, sounds too creepy for me
I've been a fan of Dune for a long time. Even though many others despise these films for not being true to FH's vision, I like them all. DeLaurentis and Syfy both produced decent films.
ITA, Lynch Dune became excellent once I found downloaded the fan? extended scenes version that inserted the filmed story scenes Lynch had to remove or delete for reasons of time or not looking perfect, But if you know the book I accept them as filling the film better even if the production and scripting was wanting poor.
The movie goes from hardly 2hr to 3+ hours. I like silent films and quiet noir so this helped.
@@klyanadkmorr Again I agree. The Fan edits really make a difference! Given the 1984 and 2021 versions, I never thought I'd ever be nostalgic for the former, but such is life.
@@a.m.armstrong8354 Well ignoring Villeneuve's ego saying the theater release is the his official version but Jason Mamoa let slip there are tons of scenes filmed that would make the 2021 film more than 3hours thus it is possible the studio itself might release a extended edit including those making this 2021 somewhat better because you can tell with some scene edit cuts something was in between but instead it jumps to a further ahead scene. The local politics of the Dinner & house servants like the TV show had was filmed. I feel Liet Kynes should have been implied as Chani's mum & the Fremen husband of her's who died allows her to be both a Fremen and raised off planet working for the Emperor.
This scene was a bit more chaotic in the books... she arrives, raises her arms, says nothing while her secret police make hundreds of arrests on the spot and she leaves a trail of bodies in her wake before all but shunning Alia, lol badass.
As much as the Atreides are the PRO-tagonists in the series to play the 'Game of Thrones' Atreides & the Bene Gesserit are serious GANGSTA in taking care of business against enemies. Most of the other Dune films never imply it beyond justified self protection defense by Paul & family.
@@klyanadkmorr Are You mean: Atreides is Stark, Harkonnen is Lennister and Corrino is Baratheon?
Indeed the scene of her arrival was more epic in the book.
klyana130 oh come on... 60 billion lives should about pay for the betrayal of house Atreides right?
Haha. I think the movie audience needs a beloved protagonist to hold their interest. Showing their tyrannical side would be too much to wrestle with for most. 🤷🏽♂️
@5:09
"Mother!"
"Omg! is it my son??""
"Reverend Mother"
"Oh never mind - silly me. He died in the desert hehe."
The Borg Queen survived...
Lmao, and also a mother of dinos in dinotopia
I can’t see Jessica in that get up and not see her dressed as a ninja from Naruto
I just see the Borg Queen.
she would have made o good kage. a sand or water kage.
The acting here is top notch.
Alia kinda looks like there's something in her shoe all the time
It's the Baron Vladimir Harkonen
5:46 her outfit is extremely frank :D
? o_O ...erm >coff< Ghanima's?
Bravo!
Very beautiful and very deep .
"Sometimes it is necessary to accommodate ritual in order to survive it"
22 people ran out of spice. It must flow.
24 now....Shai Hulud take them!
XD
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I'd watch this any day over Game of Thrones.
Hey! Game of Thrones was great until D&D ruined it. This show looks great too tho!
eta HBO GoT was great until S8 which fully crapped the bed last half so bad that I can't enjoy rewatching it.
Without Dune, there'd have probably never been A Song of Ice and Fire!
Or Star Wars in the story form that we know it. It would have been a Buck Rogers Flash Gordon only style kids film.
Matthew Stoneback I think you wanted to say lord of the Rings.
I thought Alec Newman (sp?) did a great job as priest Paul. Love the scenes with him and Leto 2 together as father and son.
I could not agree more. They were some of the most touching Father/Son scenes I have ever seen.
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Keep calm & make sure spice is flowing
Can’t believe she murdered chani and got to raise the children
as Paul says before, she actually prolonged her life
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Arrakis was created to train the faithful
Arabs in space… this was also my intro to James Smackaboy, he’s so young
holy shit Alice Krieg and James Mcavoy were in this shit!?
Borg Queen vs. Professor X😍
Susan Sarandon as well!
This shit was the shit!
@@sjinzaarprofessor x was also in the 1980's version
everyone is great famous and not famous
You mean Borg Queen arrives, eh? Yup.
Isn’t the grandson the one who turns into the worm god, and that of which also shares my name?
I assume you mean grandson to Lady Jessica and late Duke Leto. But yes he turns into the God Emperor -
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@@klyanadkmorr yes!
Mother!
Tell your children not to walk my way.
DANZIG
Why did you cut a bit out. I came to youtube literally to find the part where bald fecker (Stillgar) says "Beauty has arrived to hold back the wilderness".
Sorry but I think someone else has uploaded the whole segment more of vs I was going more for TWINS w/ whomever section clips and also the copyright bots force time limit. I have twins with Grandma Jessica and Alia each other just check my whole playlist but there are others who have CoD clips
What's always bothered me about this scene is that lady Jessica and Alia are very powerful and should have detected that that was Paul
Paul can hide himself remember.
To me, it is more that they cannot conceive that he would do such a thing. That he would go and hide amongst the Jakarutu, and work to undermine the religion laid down in his name. That he would FIGHT Alia, and the Bene Gesserit agendas. That he would ABANDON his children in their time of great need... etc. I think his motives and actions were so far afield of what they could grasp as possible.
The book explains it a little better since the movies had to crunch years into hours. Ghanima and Leto knew it was Paul. They let Jessica know, Alia had already been possessed by the Baron. Jessica doesn't seek out Paul over guilty for the path she put him on. Alia is to far gone and the Twins only confirm their suspicions upon meeting him.
So lock, wath at least a video, how worried Jessica shuddered when she herd Paul`s voice calling her - Mother. Actually, Paul is standing quite far away and looks like a wanderer of the desert, in the plot the character's are often in such a position that they follow that path and act as there is an opportunity at the moment and as necessary, Leto wold say: the Golden Path:) At the begining of this part, it is said thad Aliya think's that this is her brother or she wants to believe that this is so, therefore they do not touch him and in the end she still decides to go look at him. In another scene, Jessica hearing Paul's voice while inside the castle, realizes that her son is taking and sits on her knees overwhelmed with emotion. The twins also stare at Paul intently, especially Leto feels him, just like in the other scene, so it's played perfectly)
This doesn't actually happen in the book, that is the preacher greeting Jessica on her arrival, he says this at another place entirely. Leto and Ghanima already know the person who has become known as the preacher is most likely Paul though.
Whoah! Where can i get to watch the full children of dune miniseries? Cant find it on internet no more....=(( 🙏🙏🙏🙏
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The Borg Queen!
You know what I am going to say, don’t you?😜
And Professor X.
Wow! Leto and Ghanima look pretty old for 9 year old children.
lol if your just joking otherwise like ASOIAF child characters ie Denrys Targaryen even Jon Snow in HBO's GoT, there are NO young actors to properly play certain book actions/dialogue into script for a movie set up, situations or dialogue to be believable convincing or without squick or working on set rules SAG unethical in realife.
Screw the crazy shit they did with kids in the early pre-80's movies, the actors as adults teastify being traumatised or pushing for laws rules stopping child abuse for adult fantasy viewing entertainment
@@klyanadkmorr it was a joke and I agree 100% with what you said in the comment. Cheers! :)
per my IMHO on using a child actor(s) Which is why no matter who what or how, the toddler girl actors with a fake voice-in for Alia in ANY DUNE rendition will be cringey LOLMAO. Alia is by nature of the character's creation is to be weird and uncomfortable so there will be no escaping unless they can find a smallish 10-12yo to play as if 4-6yo and early scenes use a real toddler who says nothing and maybe Jessica/others respond exposition what she says that's too old mature. Kinda nearly what they did in Syfy DUNE but still I chuckled. =P
Wait a minute...they are suppose to be 9!
I thought they should at least be 14 or 16.
So this comes after Brian Herberts books?
I know Frank was his dad, and he wrote the original dune.
Wiki look up Frank and his Dune book series. eta- any OG Dune fans from the 60-90's consider Brian Herbert's cash grab vomitted deluge of books crap and fanfic as good as your own imagined background beginnings for Frank's universe as Frank published an Encyclopedia for DUNE and was a far as he wanted to expand on his universe.
Alia had so much mommy issues. She really needed help....
Because of her being mentally grown they kind of abandoned her, both brother and mother. I honestly think this contributed to her ultimate path.
It went sooo far before HER mother, though...
@@jeps1973 there is also the fact that is a bit jealous, too. In another clip, she makes sure to tell the twins that if Alia's mother had not "defied her training" as a Bene Gesserit and had a son instead of a daughter, "...I would have been her first born, not your father." She doesn't say it with any particular venom or malice, just very matter of factly. But the way the actress plays it is so good, because there is this beat after she says it where she looks at each of the twins, and there is such a great mixture of haughtiness and just a HINT of cold anger in her eyes. You can see her thinking, "It should have been me. It was SUPPOSED to be me. I was supposed to be in charge." And then she realizes that despite everything, she IS in charge. She is the one ruling Arrakis in effect, but she also realizes in looking at the twins that her time as regent is nearly at an end.
i feel like this series is better than the 1985 movie
Well, what I think the original movie got right was the kinda strange/alien-type vibe. A society completely different from our own, the sets, the costumes, and the general atmosphere. I also found the actors playing most of the characters, the Emperor, Duke Leto, Jessica even Paul just did a much better job. Oh, and I loved the original Irulan even if she only appeared for like 2 scenes, lol. This series repeating the same story just couldn't match that. I still enjoyed it but somehow felt a bit cheap and tacky and I just wasn't immersed in it as much. A great effort but just needed a bigger budget. Where it started to get interesting was the Children of Dune part. Regarding the new movie (from what I've seen) also not a huge fan of the esthetics. Looks like another generic sci-fi so my expectations are low but hope to be pleasantly surprised.
@@valorum999 you're right. Maybe I'm just picky, but David Lynch vision suits me better, in term of a Dune. I can only imagine what would be like if H.R. Giger managed to create his version.
I`m new to DUNE. Is this series good? Is it a good place to start?
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Make sure that you start with “Dune”, and not “Children of Dune”. That would just be infinitely confusing. Read the books if you can, they are worth it (and they must be available on audio, too). If you can’t manage the books (which I can totally understand), the Sci-fi mini-series is quite good, and is followed up with “Children of Dune”. Then you have the film, also excellent, but it only goes to the end of “Dune”. Good luck! It’s epic.
I liked this movie a lot, really.
Daniela Amavia (Alia) always looked SO familiar to me, and I can't for the life of me figure out WHY. I checked her IMDB page and I have not ever seen anything else she did, still...there is something about her look.
Jean Gray - X-men, perhaps?
A Karen look..
Amavia worked for some time in Germany under another name - she's fluent in German. Try searching "Daniela Lunkewitz" and you'll find lots of stuff about her. Apparently, her first plan was to become a ballerina, but her teachers advised against it because she was "too tall".
@@NAANsoft Famke Janssen is jean. She is easily recognizable, can't mix her with Alia. I can't, at least..
Alia was preborn... We all know her she's always been at the back of our consciousness
the Dune series makes GOT look like child's play
Well, it predated GRRM's lame bloodbath by decades - there were COMPREHENSIBLE reasons for the deaths of major characters in the Dune Universe... Just because lots of people bought lots of AGoT books, doesnt mean GRRM was a truly visionary writer.... hardly. Don't forget: we are still waiting on promised books 6 and 7 ... (I'm not holding my breath waiting.. I would die for sure!)
And HBO DnD producers just turned the book series into a joke after S1-4 by the end s8. They wanted TEH DISNEY Star WAZ $$ and bailed.
Im still waiting for FH to finish the final Dune Novel. Lol
We read them all in heaven.
Would be nice to have twin siblings, can’t really make friends.
as a fan of the books i can understand not being able to get every detail right but i was always disappointed how they failed to translate or even address on film the stoicism and vulcanlike behavior and attributes of the BG ........... guess they thought it would have made a pretty boring performance i disagree though if done correctly it would have captured the spirit the essence of the BG also too bad they never got onto the honored martyrs part of the series still a fan though still a fan .......... :)
Good points. The incredible body mastery, down to the molecular level, was something that could've been shown more. So much internal dialog, from each characters perspective, is a FH trademark, but difficult to pull off ...
Yet modern need to make all women females motherly all understanding feels gets critics who judges Jessica as horrid mother guilty of allowing Alia to fall into abomination when WOMEN WERE thru the education of Bene Gesserit hood to be self contained training in control and emotionally & mentally STRONG so Alia with ALL of her past knowledge as she gets past being a toddler and she was close to her mother should have allowed her to ask and seek more help BUT SHE DID NOT UNTIL SHE HAD POWER AND WAS THREATENED AND SO FOUND AND ACCEPTED THE EVIL BARON TO POSSESS HER
Alia❤
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Sad and tragic.
Ritercrazy I do not remember the text as I read it so long ago, and quickly, but I still have it (possibly in storage)
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Alia looks like a young Boy Derek
Correction: BO DEREK! .. I hate autocorrect to Hell!
This is so weird, I'm reading Dune now, and I had pictured Alice Krige as Jessica from pretty much the first chapter, and I don't ever remember seeing this, I think I was maybe 7 when this came out. Anyone else ever have that happen to them? Finding out the actor you pictured also plays that same character, without actually knowing?
Grakniir the actress who played Jessica in DUNE isn’t Alice.
@@kateli1880 Yep, the original actress Saskia Reeves was unavailable so Alice Krige replaced her.
But Alice Krige was the person ORIGINALLY wanted and asked to play Jessica Atreides but she was tied up in another job so Saska Reeves took it.
Yep Robie Coltrane was always Hagrid in my mind when reading HP. Although he had a Scottish accent. ( maybe because I am a Scot.)
This was awesome I remember seeing this in 2003. But would people look like this in the year 11003 AD?
possibly, considering modern paranoias it is most likely scenario
Thanks to technology people can look like any damn thing they want.
The story of Dune is not really set 10191 A.D. (after Christ), but A.G. (after the foundation of the Spacing Guild), and that's not more than 10.000, but more than 20.000 years in the future as seen from our time.
Probably the people round that time would not understand how you can imagine a Galactic Empire as a feudal structure; that would be totally impracticable.
Not to mention that everyone should be aware of the irony of defining a new era on the foundation of a commercial organization (which the Spacing Guild ultimately is).
Maybe they would. At least I cannot see a single tie.
Cual es el nombre para buscar esta peli?
The show name is SAME as book name & video clip TITLE..... CHILDREN OF DUNE
This Alia sounds too nice. In the book she was mad in this moment because she was confronted by her nephews.
You mean NIECE & NEPHEW or since I haven't read the book in ages for scene details singular NEPHEW
@@klyanadkmorr They´re nephew and niece. In the book they are 9 years old and they confront Alia´s aggressive attitude. The three of them are pre-born but both kids have resources to avoid possession..
@@Aquel29 The point I was just being nitpicky was you said plural NEPHEWS and I wasn't sure about the emotional level of their meeting in the book vs the show so couldn't debate your point about how contentious it was between them. What difference does it make, I SAID NIECE NEPHEW and it's KNOWN the younger characters are AGED up and they were kids in the books and I'm not an idiot posting about DUNE and somehow don't know they all were preborn.
The twins HAVE EACH OTHER as a resource and eventually chose controllable 'helpful' personalities. IMHO,For Alia it was probably awful the constant disapproval of her mother's personality inside her (don't we all have a voice like that?) and staring accusative from the eyes of the Twins.
I always found it strange how they never recognized Paul. Ya in the book maybe but I didn't read those.
In the book, Paul's appearance has changed a lot from spending a decade in the desert (he's said to appear far older than he is).
In the book his appearance has changed a lot, but I also find it strange. A Fremen blind man who seems to have been trained in the Bene Gesserit training, and who is also a preacher capable of confronting the priests of Muad'Dib in a effective way, who the hell can find someone like that and not Paul Atreides?
In the book he is suspected by everyone to be Paul right from his first appearance.
Would things have been different if Jessica never left?
I think so
she may have helped alia from going insane.
@@temmy9 Definitely would have. Alia was mentally grown but not emotionally. She felt abandoned by her mother and brother. I honestly always felt sad for her.
@@temmy9 Yes, that's also what I always wondered about; Jessica knew about the dangers of being pre-born - the danger of possession because the subject has not yet formed a sense of self. She could at least have attempted to teach her some form of mental discipline to counteract this. But I think her attitude towards Alia was ambivalent, that she shared the sisterhood's view about abomination even though she was determined that Alia never be destroyed. I think Saskia Reeves captures this quite well in the miniseries when little Alia tells her she feels like a freak; she embraces her and tells her that "my children are not freaks" but her face does not look convinced when she says this. Also, why did she take the water of life, knowing that she was pregnant? Surely, someone might have mentioned to her during her training what would happen then, if her training was this thorough. I think the point for this decision was again that the interests of Paul - at this point already technically Duke Atreides - took precedence; she was already the Sayyadina of the tribe and by becoming its Reverend Mother, she would makle the position of Paul within the tribe an even more secure one. I think especially Alia in the miniseries was aware that she was always second fiddle to Paul - that's why she said that if things had been different, she would have been the first-born.
But this brings me to something else - I can't understand the Sisterhood's order to Jessica to bear Duke Leto ONLY daughters - if the aim was to wed an Atreides daughter to a Harkonnen heir (i.e. Feyd), then the order could have been to bear him at least a daughter that they could use in this way. But it seems they particularly were against her producing any male offspring - why? Did they know that if she did, that child would be likely to be the Kwisatz Haderach, while they thought it crucial that the KH would arrive at a particular point in time? And I think the Bene Gesserit did at least take the possibility into account that Paul would be born and would be on Arrakis with his mother - why else did they send their Missionaria Protectiva there to plant that particular legend that Paul and Jessica would be able to use? They knew and had worked towards the KH coming from the combination of the Harkonnen and Atreides bloodlines, and it was probably also known within the order that Jessica was Harkonnen through her father - so every son she would bear was likely to be the Kwisatz Haderach. They may also have thought that a combination of the genes of Feyd Rautha and a daughter of Jessica would have brought some particular combination of properties that no other would.
@@christianealshut1123 the Bene Gesseret hoped that a) Paul would fail the test and die, b) the Harkonnens would be successful in killing Paul, and c) if he was the Kwizat Haderat Paul would be loyal to his mother and Jessica would be loyal to to sisterhood allowing them to control Paul. The failed to anticipate Paul's relationship with Channi, just as they failed to anticipate Jessica's relationship with Leto. They're unable to see into the future that way. That's why Jessica failed with Alia.
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These mini series have been out on DVD for years. Lots of copies on Ebay. They are multi disc sets and I've watched both Dune and the Children of Dune mulitiple times. Despite the older CG graphics, they are pretty good. I felt the new Villeneuve movies were great on CG but meh, the acting just seemed like new people doing the same parts. To me they didn't all fit well, I mean Aquaman?
They're in HBO last time I see.
who were the two chicks( the actresses I mean ) at the beginning???
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Ganima and Aliya I believe. Spellings might be wrong
@@mahaagro7783 He asked about the actresses, not the characters.
6 people are Face Dancers
?joking about the famous 'faces' actors in the roles? lol
The 6 people who dont like the video.
I tend to ignore the random unlikes on my videos.
10, but I appreciate this job.
I’m your father.
That one time lady Jessica caught Paul rubbing one out? Well, those prescient grandchildren remember that about their dad, as well as every other awkward, shameful, or embarrassing memories they’d rather not know about.
Josh Brown He was always able to tame worms, even as a young lad
The pattern on the First Moon looked like a clenched fist.
@@kabalabonga1452 im done lol
I assume any memory of an ancestor stops when the next one in the link is born.
Therefore, they probably have the memory from Paul of being caught rubbing one out, and not the memory from Jessica.
It's also why the twins mention that Alia's memory from Jessica is greater than their own, as Alia was born much later than Paul.
They have Jessica's memories experiences upto the point of Paul being born so Ghanima remembering the painbox the testing of Paul should have been onlyfrom Paul's
Aren’t her eyes still supposed to be spice-blue?
She's been off the planet long enough, without the exposure I would assume the effects would fade? She's been gone for some 10+ years at this point if my memory serves me.
Someone in another comment and it's ?canon, that offworld of Arrakis in the Empire it's not proper to show your spice addiction or taking it unless required like the Bene Gessirit in places or the Navigators. So CONTACT LENSES are worn by alot of spice users. I accept that the reason apart from just $ saving from CGI.
klyana130 Thanks!
Rob Brown once addicted there is no quitting. The eyes of the Ibad would persist regardless of what planet she moved to.
James McAvoy should've played Paul Atreides.
ITA or another better Paul Atriedes actor with dark hair. I don't know why the first movie they chose a more blond scandanavian look Atriedes but then in CoD next one LetoII & Ghani come out with dark brown black hair? Chani's genetics can't explain that for me. Apart from Syfy DUNE being kinda poor in acting production scripting, I tell people if they want visual plays of the books Watch the Lynch DUNE find the extended edition or one by fan adding ALL cut scenes that make it understandable, which isn't bad after already knowing the books it's just trippy dreamscape and then roll into this Children of Dune.
@@klyanadkmorr I am profoundly grateful I saw this show before ever seeing anything else with James MacAvoy (A: I fell madly in love/lust with him; B) I gained a profound respect for his acting abilities here, which allowed me to see the brilliance in his Professor X, and this recent movie where he plays a multi-personality murderer.
@ShawnPutnam- I became James' ass sucking fan back in2004 after watching this movie, he totally blew me away, too bad Jessica Brooks didn't get anything bigger afterwards, as she played off of him perfectly as Leto's Twin. I have followed his career since (BBC shows & films), appreciate his turn doing Prof X but some of his movies after that one comicbook action/spy movie WANTED, haven't been that good IMHO but weird artsy, like Filth, Trance, Welcome to the Punch etc. Then after hearing reading he won a BAFTA with Tom Hardy, I've kept both of them as 'My Boys' to watch out for in probably good productions.
These movies tried so hard....but so much is just...weird...
they tried to follow books closely, but didn't manage in manner intended. never the less, it was a good show.
nope, they’re good
they really tried with this series and did pretty well but why turn Leto and Ghani into angsty teenagers? they were 7 or 8 in the books at the begining and very early teens at the end
As been constantly replied by many for AGES, BOOKS using CHILDREN KIDS for very adult like expression & dialogue is impossible to get with real life child actors AND the cost for on set care for under 18yo actors is LOT. Compared to the drama queen level of acting the Alia actress did & previous first part of DUNE series Paul as a teen Luke Skywalker Toshi Station acting, the twins actors James & Jessica were FAR FROM angsty teens but youthful enjoyable focused and psychic mature with right level of concern, IM&many other's opinions POV based on the ratings of the time very high worldwide.
TV adaptions always have to speed things up a bit. If you keep comparing stuff to source material, you'll never enjoy anything.
Usually it's abt child labour laws.
Well good luck finding 7,8 year old child who have acting good as this
High quality child actors are hard to find.
Is that the Borg Queen?
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Alice Krige.
And you can see young Charles Xavier.
how come jessicas eyes arent blue from spice
She wore masking contact lenses
lol, did she? It's been forever since I read the books to remember that detail. But imho more like director/producers probably misjudged or assuming of Jessica's time away from Arrakis was long enough & allowed her eyes to return normal, while forgetting that spice ingestion creates an addiction besides she took the Water of Life,, so she should have still had Blue eyes. And imho, more likely Also it cost alot for them to cgi track actor's eyes and maybe it was a cost savings too.
@@klyanadkmorr All those things are possible. I do know that blue-within-blue eyes are really only accepted on Arrakis proper; elsewhere in the Imperium they are considered unseemly and thus contacts to conceal deeper addiction do exist.
@@crazyal8565 it is entirely possible that the effect wore off due to her returning to Caladan, shortly after the whole climactic battle with the Emperor. Many people don't realize she left fairly soon thereafter.. she needed to get away from Arrakis because of all the echoes of Leto I. Even though back on Caladan she would remember many things associated with him, at least they didnt have the tragedy aspect to them. She only consented to return to Arrakis because Duncan Ghola) or Stilgar asked her to... but I cant remember which one.
Her blue shouldn't have faded no matter how long she was away. She was a BG reverend mother and a spice addict (not mutually exclusive). It's probably contacts or an error.
Better than the 1984 Abomination..
But then the 1984 edition is better than Dune 2021..but you need spice trance to see why.
ps ::whispering:: what is REALLY annoying me about this new film is that it FEELS LOOKS wonderful like the DUNE universe but the soundtrack, dialogue style, scripting and JESSICA actress are so IMHO jarringly not DUNE that I cannot enjoy rewatching it anymore. The monotonous drone of the soundtrack is aggravating sticks in your mind pisses me off. Just galls/pisses me listening to & looking at the actress Rebecca Ferguson whoke sanctimonious '*Dune is misogynist*' face speaking the holy words of the 'Mother of Muad Dib'! I find myself wanting to bleach it from my memory yet still wish to reewatch a well recorded 1080p/4k @ home version just because it's sharper cleaner than what I saw in the theater.
@@klyanadkmorr Totally agree. Immediately after this 2021 pre-spice-mass of a rehash, the plot holes began gaping wider than a sandworms's dentition. ALL the script changes were gratuitous, totally unnecessary and tangential to the plot. For example, Chani is 'Daughter of Liet'..Liet was 'son of' Pardot Kynes. The Gom Jabbar scene, so crucial to the overall plot, now involves Paul unable to control his voice. Silly lines like: "..it takes years to master the voice.." The vision Paul had re Duncan, was he Jessica AND Duncan escaped from the Ecological testing station..It getscworse when the suggestion the Harkonnens were wealthier than the Emperor..despite the latter owning a 51% stake in CHOAM. It was basic unguided artillery that trapped Duke Leto's forces in Shield Wall caves, not guided smart bombs.
The CGI was superb - especially the greenhouse-free Ducal Fief residence at Arrakeen, some scenes, such as Paul's thopter wings retraction in the sandstorm, breathtaking, but for every visual gem there were ten plot howlers. Why, would canny insurgents indulge in a duel to the death in the open sand, where they'd have to transport possibly both dead bodies, to reclaim their water elsewhere? One chance patrol and no more Maud Dib. Spice harvesting was done during the day, else why would Duke Leto break with practice? Its a mess. They could've got Ethiopians and Sudanese to play Fremen. Chani was way too 'water fat'..Piter totally unconvincing. 1950's Hollywood B movies were done better. So annoyingly frustrating.
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Heh, I get your gripes, I just wouldn't be as incendiary because I know there is no perfect ability to render the DUNE books precisely as Frank Herbert wrote them but then per obsessive fans like us WE'D even quibble over pinhead issues which might not really be what he was meaning or matter to the larger story, like I don't heartbreak over non modern ethnically Saharan desert regional actors for Fremen the Jamis actor was african just not N. African or subsaharan but then for the syfy show they resorted to Native Am. desert culture more. Or weapons fire bombing the Arakkeen base, the slow bombs were cool & cgi cool winding artillary that looks targetted vs regular is a nitpick thing to even notice as it was a book exposition commentary on the military attack coup but not obvious thing. I'd complain if it was shown as a dashboard computerized button pushing bombs at targets vs people at a gun inside a ship with precision pointing at targets.
@@klyanadkmorr Military matters set much of the action. Someone obviously jazzed up the artillery. Details matter: ethnicity the hidden undercurrent in Dune. The people of the Nilotic Misr being Nubian. The Mahdi taken straight from Imperial British recounts in Sudan. Pundi Rice, a staple of Myanmar locatetes the impact African troops had against Japanese (Sardaukar)..African troops were the first in WW2 to capture Japanese, hence the dry humour of the Hawat scene where a Fremen casually refers to Sardaukar captives. "Well why don't you go capture one?" Chani's lament about the Harkonnens completely missed the point about the brutality of Dune being such that even the Sardaukar were 'an inconvenience'. For the Fremen, Spice was like honey and royal jelly to bees. It was a way of life, plus they bribed the Guild to keep secret the fact that they ran Arrakis. The CGI really was superb. Scale and visual dynamics spot on. I particularly liked the architectural details of the Ducal seat at Arrakeen. The scale of that place plus the Frank Lloyd Wright geometry been seen as 'old-fashioned' was very slick compared with the bug-like Guild lighters. This version got the transition from cosmic to planetary scale absolutely spot on..Herbert being a technophobe notwithstanding. I admit I'm a nitpicker, but this is a nitpicker's book, so I'm observing the minutae..
The accent of the actress who played Alia has always been a bit too jarring for me, it comes over to me as if her lines are badly acted/delivered, especially so when next to all these actors and actresses who did great. It was hard to enjoy the scenes with her because she stuck out like a sore thumb. And this is just regarding this specific (accent of the) actress alone, because the fremen characters who had accents were actually totally great. So I don't know, maybe it's the actress acting ability, or her accent, but she throws me off every damn time.
ITA but the overall movie and focusing on the other characters I just ignore the more aggravating scenes of Alia actress. I think she played Alia more like a USA daytime drama queen maybe more Broadway harlot than Shakespearean villain like the other major character actors like James McAvoy & Alice Krige.
But she shone in her DEATH scene!☺
@@klyanadkmorr It kinda fit her role tbh. She plays a character on the verge of losing her mind to possession. The subtle awkwardness and jarring lines comes from a distracted mind.
Personally I always liked her. I mean this came out when I was a teenager so I was crazy attracted to the actress, but over the years her performance as Alia was always good to me. She has the crazy eyes that shows that she's on the edge of losing it, she has the cutting anger look to her, And she can look crazy and beautiful at the same time. I think they cast pretty well, especially when they were pretty much looking at cheaper actors to hire. Most of the acting budget probably went toward Susan Sarandon and Alice Krige anyway.
Why?
She grew up among the Fremen after all.
Music is so much better then in the new movie
A nice thing about music for TV or radio the budget doesn't constrain the quality, unlike the CGI - that and nearly two decades!
Also Hans Zimmer seems to be expected to create the grandest possible synth braams more than any memorable melodies today. Expensive sophisticated sounding textures and tone over any actual melody - unlike in the Gladiator days where he was probably going for the Vangelis vibe.
Word!