Oh to get around on a hovering mini bus, swimming in a glass bubble filled with my favorite drug, casually folding space/time in my free time. Yep, those were the good old days.
I love the random strange details in David Lynch‘s films, Like the guy with the dogs out of nowhere and just the total strangeness of the guild navigator and the way that they talk into the microphone.
It's interesting that Lynch often frames the internal monologues in Dune like they're literally in a theater play, breaking the fourth wall to have them turn and speak to the movie audience. A very cool stylistic move. When I saw this as a kid I didn't get it, now I'm older I go "Ohhhhh..."
@@ormand3000 It's called an "aside", it comes from classical theatre and originates in Greek plays to convey thoughts and feelings to the audience. Exposition was how the scene opened revealing background information on the characters and setting explained in the story.
@@bhedgepig9653 they can basically lay down sanctions on factions though "oh, don't want to do x for ~~us~~ the padishah? good luck getting anything to/from your planet"
Well you have to look at it like this the space guild runs everything having to do with space the spacing guild does not have high levels of computers. You know AI's to help them pilot through space so that they'll be able to fold space The navigators are heavily reliant to fold space and do the calculations. The Highlanders are massive ships that can carry an entire house huge fleets of ships within a matter of minutes. Without the spacing guild there is no commerce there is no economy there are no plants nothing items and goods that need to be transferred throughout the Empire do not get done. So in a sense the spacing guild kind of controls the Empire without their ships there are no commerce without no commerce there is no trade without no trade there is no one to enforce the law. Of the emperor of the known universe if that's the case it makes it very simple so if spice is in danger the space and guild can roll up to the emperor and tell him how it's going to be and if he does solve the problem and give the space guild some back talk then the space guild can revoke the emperor. Emperor's emperor's trade and immediately take off somewhere where the emperor can't find them because traversing space would take years trying to find The navigators.
Not so different from multinational corporations today. They can basically walk into gov't office of small countries or provinces (US states), and demand subsidies. And they can get it. Look at what Amazon did with their HQ2. Multinational in our time might not be as powerful as gov't of major power countries, but could happen in the future. (e.g. The pope was more powerful than kings during Middle Ages)
I really loved the costumes in lynchs version; the navigators are terrifying. Their aura is fearsome and foreboding. They look to be above everyone else in the galaxy and rightly so, they control space travel.
The navigators in Denis Villeneuve's Dune look like Catholic Astronauts than an esoteric intergalactic organisation that controls everything in the background. To be fair, that was the Catholic Church in history. Treaties could not be signed, marriages and alliances between the royal houses made, and wars declared without the blessing of the Papacy.
“I see plans within plans.” One of the greatest things about the book was you can see how each character had plans within plans and considered the things going against those plans when assessing every situation. Frank Herbert was a brilliant writer!
I think his writing had a huge appeal in the "FlowerPower" generation, the generation that experience with psychadelic drugs to acchieve higher levels of conscience. But basicly his writing is pretty anti-science and creates an universe that is mediaval. It is actually a needless complicated coming of age novel with no deeper layers then for instance the Lion King. In Dune he limits himself to that story: ignoramus becoming savior. After Dune he got completely of the rails with his socio-political exploits. Wondering how this novel would be received when written in the late '90-ties where drug addiction was and is the mayor drive behind crime worldwide.
@@kamion53 Found the person who didn't even start reading past the first book. Try Dune Messiah to see all your arguments brought on their head together with all the common tropes the reader is tricked into while at first book.
I see plans within plans within plans within plans, but that's a sign I'm losing cohesion LOL. And the one thing I did not plan for, was exactly that...
@SearedAhi wishing there was a spell checker at this medium, I make a lot of typo's. but apart from that: please explain what is so shitty about my opinion. Just throwing out a remark without argument like you made is otherwise just a fart in the room.
@@davidguyette2586 could not agree more, when something is annoying the first 5 hours, it is probable lethal in the 90th hour. I think the serie startd tto annoyed mildly in God Emperor but completely at Heritics, did not even finish it.
To be fair, the book has massive walls of text that are exposition dumps. It's a hard book to adapt to film. David Lynch went too far with monologues but Denis Villeneuve stripped down his Paul to almost nothing.
For all the criticisms of the Lynch version, you can't argue with the set design and the costumes. Fantastic mixture of the Victorian past and a far distant yet clunky future.
mdhookey , I especially liked the emperor's truthsayer as she left the emperor's chambers, so that the emperor and the navigator could have their dialogue- her dignified walk, posture, and her robes flowing with an almost aristocratic grace.
I can 'argue' it all day - I find the costuming beyond absurd, but the 2019 MET Gala missed a bet...they should have had everyone invited for their Camp themed party wear the ridiculous costumes from this movie
@@edwardbowie1014 Yikes! That's pretty harsh. The Fremen still-suits and the Bene Gesserit habits are downright brilliant, and everything else is pretty darn solid. I don't know what people will be wearing thousands of years hence, but if humanity returns to feudalism, then it's plausible that they might be wearing something like the costumes in this film.
Despite what the critics thought back in '84, David Lynch and his team, for the most part did an amazing and sublime job of visually depicting a society *tens of thousands* of years into the future and probably far beyond what Frank Herbert had in mind when Dune was written. This scene always gives me chills.
Hats off to the set designers/ builders. They captured the Gilt opulence of an impossibly wealthy Corrinno empire. The garish Red and black Harkonnen world , devoid of natural living things ." Father, the sleeper has awakened !"- Paul Atriedes.
far beyond what Frank Herbert had in mind... No, read the book, always tens of thousands of years. If the movie gives you chills, the books will blow your mind, a true adult read. In fact, if I recall, Earth is now ancient History and its location and status are mythical at this point in the story. BTW, the book was released in 1965ish... Spice is their oil, Christianity and Islam have united as a single religion but Jews are still around and hiding. I love the movie but the books are much more detailed, it's a fascinating read. If I remember correctly, Frank died while the movie was being filmed, or very close, approved the changes but never saw it released. No weirding device in the books, it was a fighting style.
I much prefer the depiction of 10,191 AD in the Lynch movie to the current effort. “Decadence” is a good word…in contrast to the IKEA / Danish Modern look of 2022.
Moebius did a production design and whole screenplay for Jodorovski Dune which clearly influenced the Lynch version and was also responsible for production design in Fifth Element
+Belz Zebuth The guy was the Emperor of the known universe, he probably got an erection every time he sat on his throne. ;) And yeah, he needed to be very, *very* wary of Paul Atredies....
"The Bene Gesserit witch must leave." So badass. I always loved the Spacing Guild in Lynch's movie. The detail with they're weird voices and the archaic translator staff. If I'm not mistaken, the guild member doing the talking is even more mutated at the end of the film. Nice touch.
Navigator: "I did not say this. I was not here." Emperor: "I understand." Also the Emperor (2 minutes later, in front of all his generals): "Why would the guild navigator that was just here want the Dukes son killed?"
@@Smoke3380 And every time they think it's a voiceover. Here you can see his lips moving. He spoke it. Presumably the generals are trusted by the Emperor.
Lynch's movie, which this is based off of, is close to the book but many liberties were taken with it. It's best to look at this as a stand alone production based on the Dune Universe. Its enjoyable for the time it was made in.
@@Ionsniper People are too rough on this movie. It’s an insane, campy, melodramatic mess of cosmic proportions, and that’s why I love it. It’s best enjoyed by seeing it first and reading the book afterwards. I can understand why Herbert fans were disappointed, but if you stumble across this film with zero context, you’ll want to read the book.
@Corgore Yeah, the Guild Navigators aren't even mentioned in Dune, only that the Guild overall has been involved in moving everyone around (as is their place). The Navigators appear for the first time in Messiah, and this feels like a way of mixing the two novels whilst allowing it to take care of the exposition of the politics/factions. P.S. I think the Lynch film is awful.
@Corgore I didn't enjoy Dune 2021 having not read the books, but I've now read the first three and *wow* Villeneuve nailed it. Would have liked to see more of Liet Kynes, and I really don't know how they'll make the Alia story credible on screen in part 2, but what a universe to sink into.
And they say Villeneuve has made a better Dune. The level of detail, the atmosphere, scenery and costimography is just on another level in Lynch's master-piece. I'm still in awe, this movie is a must every year for me.
@@brianm3160True but sometimes in films you need to explain the journey of the characters and lay out the story more for the viewer. The Dune novel is very complex. I’m guessing why this was done but I’ve seen it in many films converted from books.
judsonkr 😂😂😂😂 and thank fuck they had that big ass landing pad as well ; that shuttle would have raised your whole neighbourhood! And so just that they could thang out in your garage ? Frivolous!
I love how the camera follows the Navigator's tank as it moves through the throne room. As if he didn't move, the room did. It both shows how much he dominated the situation, highlighting the Guild's power over the imperium, and tying to their FTL travel.
I absolutely love this movie though it has aged. The mixture of royal and tech. Industrial style at times with this great element of sci-fi while being rooted well with its cast selection. The spacing guild have always captivated me. Yes they are weird looking but in such an intriguing way. I'd say they look better in this film while in the tank but they didn't have the capabilities back then to really do the space folding scene right. Where they fold space, you know Lynch wanted something more but its still such an interesting idea. The fact this thing is/was a person who has been accelerating his own evolution to have these abilities. The catch to this is they can only exist in spice gas now so he has to be wheeled around in this massive train car looking tank so he can breathe. Soo good!
The Spacing Guild didn't have FTL. They folded Space (....which gives them the ability to fold space, that is, travel to any part of the Universe....without moving). It's in the opening monologue oration...
@@james_tiberius_kirk73 Yeah, sure, I used FTL as a short-hand for "how to get to somewhere else in space without dying of old age", but it is in fact a bit inaccurate in the dune universe.
@@james_tiberius_kirk73 they fold space and "move" relative to their origin to the destination "without moving", they occupy both locations in space simultaneously during the fold then only the destination location as the fold ends. The original commenter points out something really cool in their observation. Your reply added nothing. It's faster than light travel because the folding and positional change covers more distance in the same time than light could travel, sans folding.
@@colonelmustard2652 Clever but incorrect. You don't move during the theoretical folding of space. Once again because you're slow - "Without Moving". Take a piece of paper, draw a circle on one side then fold the paper. Got it? Terrific.
This version is way underrated. It is a good film. Of course back then the FX weren’t like what it is today. But it did it’s best. I loved the Baron character in this one. What a character!
I loved the seamlessness of the visuals in the new Dune and the acting, but the design wasn't as creative and fantastic as Lynch's. It was a whole new worlds!
One of my favorite films. Never understood why it got such a bad rap. Incredible visuals, incredible story, great acting...it has it all. I have not seen the new version and don't know if I want to...remakes are seldom as good as the originals.
Whatever it's faults, I love the artwork, clothing and general style of this film - its' really good and an attempt to differ from the general Star Wars influence.
I have to say that the look and feel of Helen Mohiam and her costume is, in my view, perfect. Sian Philips gives her just the right touch of austere beauty, she looks the politician, the witch and the courtesan.
The Navigator arrives via something that looks like a Thirties Streamline locomotive. Do I remember rightly that an earlier appearance on Caladon has the place fitted out in dark wood with brass fittings, like an Edwardian gent's yacht?
This is one of the better scenes from the Lynch movie which shows how it has some elements in it better done than in new Dune movies. This type of scene looks more alien, more bizarre, somewhat more weird.
This scene is not in the novel and it's unnecessary, it tells too much from the beginning, it kills the mistery of the emperor's treason and his motivations. Movies must show, not tell. This is like a school theater play with excessive and overexplaining dialogue. It's also very dated even for it's time. The only cool thing about this scene is the design of the navigator and the costume and set design. Although the lighting is very flat and amateurish making them look too costumy and the set pieces fake and cheap.
@@TheStOne1David Lynch originally recommended Dune to be three movies but at least two. But the production and basically the entire Hollywood wouldn't let him. The philosophy back then was one book one movie. So David Lynch had to cram all of that into one movie somehow. Also on top of that; supposedly David Lynch filmed about 6 hours' worth of this movie. He had no say-so in the editing.
My favorite quote is in that scene. "Listen to me! The Spice must flow! The spice has given me accelerated evolution for four thousand years! It has enabled you to live two hundred. It gives the Bene Gesserait Sisterhood the metaphysical ability to see beyond. You have superior powers. Our power to fold space is in the spice. Without us your Empire would be lost on isolated, scattered planets. YOU would be lost!" That is a boss flex on the Padisha Emperor of the universe and Jose Ferrer displays the perfect balance of contained terror facing the Guild as they *lay out the stakes*.
They should have kept that line in the final release. We got all of that within the movie but to have it all said at once and so emphatically would have been a serious nod as to what Paul was going to do.
The one thing I really love about this scene is it shows the Emperor is not as powerful as he would have everyone believe. This is the same for Presidents you always answer to someone.
@@concept5631 "unlike democratically elected leaders, monarchs rely on reputation" Sadly most democratically elected leaders rely on reputation too. As for monarchs. It depends on what kind of country/system they're the monarch in. In an absolute monarchy like Saudi Arabia the king's word is everything as there is no parliament or any governing power to restrict his power. In constitutional monarchies of say many countries in Europe the king/queen only has nominal/emergency powers and is mostly a figurehead while the prime minister and his/her cabinet hold the true power. Not even Medieval monarchs could solely rely on "perception of power" to stay in charge. They had to buy loyalty from their vassals and grant them a lot of regional power for their service to the king. In case some vassals felt they got too little from the king they could either proclaim a pretender to the throne a king and claim he is the rightful heir, or they could join forces and decide to make one of themselves a king. Different royal families fought with each other and often made strategic marriages to grant "blood loyalty". In the 1400's the bloody war between the House of Lancaster and House of York (both descending from King Edward III) held power in intervals during the War of The Roses. It ironically ended with a Welsh pretender called Henry Tudor ending up king of England, forming the House of Tudor. His efficient restructuring and reformation of commerce made England come out of the Medieval era and entering the Modern Era. Trade went up, new discoveries and the England began conquering the Americas. This popularity is based on the very same popularity democratically elected leaders have today. A good economy makes a president/prime minister/king/queen popular.
@@concept5631 Democratically elected presidents rely on populism, demagoguery and empty promises to sway the masses, then once in power gradually forget about their promises to the masses (but no to the economical elites funding their rise into power). This continues until the next round of circus comes in town the following election season. The masses learn nothing.
Lynch’s Dune was pretty great for its time, except for the rushed 3rd act, and sound guns. If He had the ability to adapt it into 2 movies it would have been beyond great!
David Lynch originally recommended Dune to be three movies but at least two. However the production and basically the entire Hollywood wouldn't let him. The philosophy back then was one book one movie. So David Lynch had to cram all of that into one movie somehow. Also on top of that; supposedly David Lynch filmed about 6 hours' worth of this movie. He had no say-so in the editing.
@@derd3No, the Soundwave guns were not in the book. While rail guns and laser beam guns were used, people mainly fought with swords. It's just a special effects of the time could not justify what he needed to do so he made the idea of the Soundwave guns and such.
I like how the Navigator warns the Emperor "I did not say this... I was not here" and not 2 minutes later, the Emperor is already yapping about what he heard to everyone in the room.
@Keith1974 That's not what's in contention: the Navigator clearly stated not to tell anyone that he said to have Paul killed, yet right here: ua-cam.com/video/VSV9S2Ol3bc/v-deo.html the emperor is speaking it out loud right in front of his whole army. That's what I'm referring to. Nobody's contesting that the Guildsmen were there, just that they requested not to be associated with the killing of Paul, yet there he is, completely going against what the Navigator expressly told me not to do. It's weird.
"There must be no eavesdropping of any kind". Later, after everyone ordered to leave has since reassembled in audience to the emperor, he muses out loud: "But WHY would they want the duke's SON killed?"
Well, to be fair, the Sardaukar commanders and staff coming in are likely the people who would have to go and arrange the assassination and the attack on Arrakis. They likely know the situation pretty well.
The Emperor did not know what was going to be said and wanted no recordings of the conversation to potentially cause him trouble later The people he talked to were the Sardaukar commanders they could be trusted to give honest advice and not to talk
17 years ago. 17 years ago I've got my computer, had access to the internet, and this was one of the first videos I watched on youtube at the end of 2006 Impressive, and sad, how quickly the time runs.
I need to read these books, always saw them in the bookstore as a kid and always thought the covers were too out there for me. Here I am two decades into life a dungeon master and writer of my own universe I am fascinated with universe building. I now have listened to overviews of the series and I am getting drawn deeper and deeper into this series.
Reverend Mother: I know what the third stage guild navigator is getting for christmas. Emperor: How can you possibly know that? Reverend Mother: We felt his presents.
Said that to a friend the other day to express my not wanting to meddle into yet another social drama I explained to him when he asked me how so-and-so was doing. Never felt so smug and bloated with Spice in my life ^^
To this day I don’t understand the bad press this movie has gotten. It’s brilliant, and visually captivating. Those sets, and the Lynchian tropes are very appropriate for the garish anatomy and trippy concepts in Dune. This scene alone is amazing.
I agree however David Lynch originally recommended Dune to be three movies but at least two. But the production and basically the entire Hollywood wouldn't let him. The philosophy back then was one book one movie. So David Lynch had to cram all of that into one movie somehow. Also on top of that; supposedly David Lynch filmed about 6 hours' worth of this movie. He had no say-so in the editing.
I've read almost all of the books in the Dune universe, including the prequels, and I have to say that I still LOVE this movie. Did they change the book? absolutely. But did they capture the essence of the book and the universe? Absolutely. Maybe it's because this movie was my introduction to Dune and I saw it before I read the books, maybe it's because I'm a massive Lynch fan, but I've still seen the movie 3 or 4 times in my life. And I enjoy it every time.
100%. Oh, Lynch screwed up the Harkonnens and Chani, but yes and yes, he got the essence of a very long and complicated book into a 2 hour movie wonderfully well.
Mr. Lynch, thank you for a wonderful part of my brother's and my childhood❤. We first saw your film in the early 90s late one night and we were enthralled every minute, I don't think we even went to the bathroom. The visuals, set and costume design, the ships, everything had us captivated and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's still the Best Dune film we've ever seen, even better than the new ones.
Thank you! That was a fantastic recreation of that scene. It really gives the watcher more of the big picture, so they get more of the stakes at play here.
3:28 I love this contrast between the translator and the character’s actual voice. Normally, this would be some typical Lynch thing of being odd for the sake of being odd, but it works so well here.
Brutally bad film. It's as if the director was handed the book, read the back cover and then tossed it out the window saying "well, that's enough reading for me!"
Exactly. One has to be desperate to see a filmed version of this book to like it. The only people who think this movie isn't a massive pile of pig-swill, are those that have to like it.
"The only people who think this movie isn't a massive pile of pig-swill, are those that have to like it." @ Ima Pseudonym. Who are these people you speak of that "HAVE to like it" North Koreans?
I thought my point was clear enough, but I guess I didn't dumb it down enough for you. They "HAVE" to like the movie, because they have no other option. There I hope that helps.
They fit the whole book into one movie and told the tale complete. Very half-developed but honestly I understood it all. David Lynch did splendidly making this only 2 hours 20 min long.
Because we know it's CGI, which takes away the integrity of the cinematic intentions of the creators of the initial idea as a whole. When I saw "Final Fantasy" back when, I was awestruck until about halfway thru, and forgot completely what the story and plot were going towards. I was distracted by knowing the "actors" voices that just didn't fit the characters implied. But the "big screen" helped me to just "enjoy the show"
When the Navigator emptied his race tank it destroyed valuable tile that cost more money than you would make in 100 lifetimes Fortunately the spice recovered from the waste would pay for it
I don't care what the naysayers say. I LIKE David Lynch's version, just as I LIKE the SciFy Channel version. Hopefully, the next version will be even better.
Alternative Edition Redux needs some sound and picture tweaks and the rain scene added back, but check it out as the most definitive version of Lynch's movie.
It's beautifully art directed but it's problematic because there's little of ecology, Kynes and the movie skips 1/3 of the book. That's diabolical and unforgivable. Imagine doing that to Lord of the Rings. But I still watch it and enjoy it.
Problem is there was no way you could put even just the first book into a movie, even if it was "The Longest Day" long. I liked Lynch's version probably because I saw it before I heard anything about Dune. But with all due respects, I thought the SciFi channels version was terrible! Paul was like a petulant whiny child, the actors try as they might fit nowhere near into their roles like the cast in Lynch's version (except for Kyle MacLachlan, but that wasn't his fault, he was cast too old), and the whole movie came across like a really bad fashion show. Especially the silly chef hats they made the sardaukar wear!
The 'slight problem' is actually the end goal of the navigator, replacing the Emperor with Paul... By mentioning Paul, the navigator ensures his struggle and his eventual victory over the emperor. The Navigator sees plans within plans and folds space and time -- His plan is to replace the Emperor with Paul. And he is successful the moment he mentions his Name. The Navigator knows she's listening the whole time - she can 'feel him' - but his evolution and mind are orders of magnitude beyond her small humanoid form. This is why she fears him... he is beyond her abilities, and she falls for his trap.
@@ryanhughes1101 You see the motivation of the Navigator to replace the Emperor with Paul: Paul will understand the Spice first hand, and the Spice Evolved Navigator is biologically dependent on the chemical. "The Spice Must Flow" - or All navigators will die. The Emperor's political folly threatens spice production with petty warfare on the single weakest point of failure - the ONE planet that creates the precious commodity. It is this selfish foolishness that demonstrates the incompetency of the Emperor, and the immediate need to replace him. A True leader would step down and ensure a smooth transition without war, or work out a fairly simple and direct assassination of one threat or the other. Alternatively a skilled Emperor would establish a meeting between himself and the two houses in conflict, and work out a peace deal that would enrich both houses, secure stability, and never, NEVER put the flow of spice in danger. In summary: The Emperor's plan is a stupid plan, because he is a small minded and stupid person. Thus the Navigator's judgement against him, and lifting up of Paul to replace him. The Leader of the Galaxy can not be a foolish or stupid person willing to risk destruction of all intergalactic civilization just to stay on the throne of power. The navigator works to ensure the survival of himself, his people, and the whole civilization.
@@SeaJay_Oceans not really. First the guild had nothing to do with eliminating the Duke or his son Paul. As a matter of fact the guild wanted to kill him with a Duncan Idaho gola after Paul’s jihad. Which lead to his son becoming the tyrant and ruling for over 4000 yrs and scattering humanity. Had the navigators had any foresight they would have realized the gola process eventually would turn Duncan into the ultimate Kwisatz Haderach, who avoided the Kralizec.
I'm back again. I just love Jose Ferrer in this role but I't hard to watch now that both José and his son Miguel are both gone. The family resemblance is remarkable.
@@BrianChambers67 The black Sardarkar uniforms have been growing on me lately. It is a shame that is all they wear, especially at the Imperial Court. But per se, they are kind of cool.
@@BrianChambers67 Yeah...and I believe the Spacing Guild guys as well. I think it was made of a large amount of body bags originally produced in the early 1900s that were found in an old abandoned firehouse that was due to be torn down. I recall hearing that some of them may have had traces of human remains...something that was kept from the actors for obvious reasons. That weird codpiece thing worn by Feyd Rautha when he walks out of that steam shower-looking thing (causing Baron Harkonnen to mutter about "beautiful...Feyd") was clapped together at the last minute because originally, the scene called for Feyd to emerge, shall we say..."tackle out." a.k.a. "Full Monty." Sting agreed to it, and it seemed set in stone...but the night before, the anxiety that had been simmering vis-a-vis the risk of having to cut the whole scene or remix it in post-production came to a full boil. A "re-do" would almost certainly not have been practical or feasible. So the costume department grabbed what they had to work with, and put it together.
Something i like about the new dune film is how its subtely shown via costume and makeup that the various houses are slowly evolving into seperate subspecies of humanity.
My complaint was that the script was written like it was taken from the cliff notes of the readers digest condensed version of the book. Plus the ending made no sense. And several of the characters, the baron most notably were changed...and not for the better
Great sets & costumes... poor writing and direction and some acting (e.g. Sting and the guy who played Paul). I suffered through the whole movie only because my Dune fanboy friend had the car keys. PS He liked Battlestar Galaxative, too (the tv show).
How excited I was to see Guild Navigators in the new Dune movies. But nope. I guess Zendaya's two expressions were more important that Spacing Guild, spice and any details about the Dune universe.
The pumpkin spice must flow. The pumpkin spice has allowed the Starbucks Empire to grow and thrive. Without it their empire would be lost, reduced to isolated scattered coffee houses dispensing nothing but espresso and cappuccino.
Dune is the best Sci-Fi you will ever read. It is so complicated that Hollywood has tried many times to make it. I have seen ALL versions.No director/cinematographer has done this justice. This was the best attempt in my opinion. Read the book.....It will open your mind.
Mi Mono "The Voice" was definitely more elegant in the novel : it was based on a psychological study of your enemy : just what exactly makes him drop his defenses ( everyone is different ) ; when you finish your analysis you speak the phrases ( in a "normal" tone - it's not the sound , specifically, but the meaning imparted to your opponents psyche ) that will momentarily weaken him and then attack. This comes in handy, for example, in a knife duel. I still relished the first film, actually had it on video tape. I can watch it a million times and never get bored. Great Cinematography.
Once again, another amazing performance by Stephen Segal. His entrance in that shuttle and how long he was able hold his breath in that liquid. Just wow.
"I did not say this, I am not here" says the fishman in the big ass tank, exiting with his parade and leaving a trail of goop said parade is half-assedly vacuuming up
Lady Jessica, a Bene Gesserit, wasn't told her own breeding, not to reveal she was an early gambit to produce their Kwizatch Haderach. To make a daughter from the Baron Harkonnen and marry it to his mortal enemy (in this case literally), to preserve the genes without preventing the genocidal war that follows, is a typical Bene Gesserit move. Plus mind-readers. You never thrust mind-readers.
It's like having a trained cobra that can read minds. Cool, buut never turn your back on the cobra, or let it taste your fear . Fear is the mind killer.....
There is a spirit to Lych's version that taps the soul. He touches something deep within. He possibly suffered pressure from the film studio as well as time and budgetary constraints. For over a decade I dared to hope for a special edition but, it seems it's never going to happen.
My life has been a complete and total misery ever since Bigfoot stole my precious girlfriend in the middle of the night.😒 He even took all her clothes and the T.V.
That snail trail is is saturated with spice. It is literally worth the equivalent of billions of dollars, It will be will be reclaimed, recycled and used.
Listen you can say what you want about this movie, and I get it, visually Villenue’s work is nice and all… but MAN the work that went in this film, the imagination, the over the top costumes and sets, it looks and feel ALIEN. Something that is so far in the future it clearly looks weird to look at.
I love the Lynch version, there is some kind of mystery in it, poetry, i was also impressed by the Sci fi movies we had in the 80's : Alien, Blade Runner, Star Wars and Dune. Those movies changed history of cinema until today. I don't understand why Villeneuve skipped the Navigator scenes.
I've always laughed at how that guy sort of brushes as they're leaving. It's probably traditional and ceremonial but he isn't doin' much of a job. They're sort of saying "Yeah, we're leaving so why don't you clean this shit up. Because...space folding MFers."
Well done! Why was this so difficult and never properly executed by professional editors? Imagine if this version had received the luxury of being produced as multiple films instead of having to cram everything into one...
The Spacing Guild in the novel colluded with the Fremen rather than Padishah Emperor. It was with this that the Guild received ample unrestricted access to Spice. It makes no sense for Spacing Guild to involve themselves with the squabbling between the Great Houses. Who governs Arrakis is irrelevant to them. In the book, power shifted from Harkonnen to Atreides and back and forth and it made no considerable difference to them. Splice flows regardless to the behest of the Landsraad.
The Spacing Guild accepted bribes from the Fremen. They had an interest in not upsetting the flow of spice. Hence they cautioned the Emperor to tread lightly.
GeneHeim1 Yes, and it is for that reason of accepting bribes that led me to wonder why the Guild was worried about the lack of Spice production/distribution. The flow of spice is guaranteed and occurs regardless; it is not impacted whatsoever by the feuding houses of the Landsraad. There was never a scene in the first novel (which this film is based on) where Eldritch or the Guild visit the Emperor as it was not necessary (though it has been a little while since I've read it). I'm also confused as to why they were worried about Paul in the film, the Guild does not know about the Kwizatz Haderach and for all they know Paul is just some spoiled brat son of the Duke of one of the Houses. The Guild hardly ever appears in the first novel. Not a single Guild Navigator appears until Dune Messiah, where Paul was a despot who *did* restrict the flow of spice. Here they had an actual reason to be concerned.
GeneHeim1 Honestly, while I admit this is a cool opening I just don't think it makes too much sense given the way things are at this stage in the Dune universe. I'd be more than happy to be corrected.
Cyborg Assassin The only mention of the Navigator that I recall in the first novel was discouraging questions about the Navigators. If the Guild had a prescience about Paul they could have expressed concerns. Been easier for them to try to get him to join their group. The Guild never spoke to an Emperor in a malicious way, threatening them with "pain amplifiers". This appeared in a different scene in this movie. The Guild's main threat was to disrupt commerce.
I believe I read some where that the producers of the movie felt the original version of the film was "confusing", and demanded that the director and writer explain what is going on. I personally believe it was overkill but not everyone was familiar with the books.
The thing that REALLY messed up the flow of everything is that the (book) story in Dune is told by Princess Irulan from her viewpoint, but in this version she has maybe three or four speaking scenes. The rest of the time she stands around looking pretty and not even smiling that much. The screenplay tore her role down to practically nothing even though she is crucial to the solution that ends the conflict - by having a marriage of convenience between Paul and Irulan.
@@kegginstructure Yeah, but she didn't *do* much in the first book besides introduce the chapters with quotes that mostly came from the future when she's writing this. The movie was happening in the present, where she was largely a bystander because of the muzzle her father and the Bene Gesserit had on her as an individual.
He is awesome. "I WANT FIFTY LEGIONS OF SAUDAKAR ON ARRAKIS AT ONCE!" "Fifty legions, sire? But that'll include our entire reserves as well." "THIS IS GENOCIDE! THE DELIBERATE AND SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF ALL LIFE ON ARRAKIS!"
I love the earlier, Dune movie, but the way that these amazing actors these highly talented actors had to say their lines was indescribable to me. I can’t put my finger on what it is exactly. It’s like mini monologues done by nine-year-old child prodigies.
I saw this in the theater when it first was released. IMHO, a Dino De Laurentiis production was always top-notch. I was totally captivated by it all! I especially loved the soundtrack. This movie was [and is] a Masterpiece!
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Oh to get around on a hovering mini bus, swimming in a glass bubble filled with my favorite drug, casually folding space/time in my free time. Yep, those were the good old days.
The Navigator's original voice was ten times more striking . This now sounds like a whiner by comparison , not a lord of the cosmos ! .🤓
...but now you're a stage FOUR navigator and your life dominated by responsibilities. It happens to us all.
The good ol' days never come back. sad.
Yeah...3rd grade was awesome!
In the next Dune, the Navigator is a Little Bat Winged dude.
I love the random strange details in David Lynch‘s films, Like the guy with the dogs out of nowhere and just the total strangeness of the guild navigator and the way that they talk into the microphone.
there is a guy with a hoover sucking up some sort of liquid
This set ain't too shabby either.
@@doctoronishispsychosislab1474 Yeah, funny, and funny more so that he doesn't do such a good job..
@@doctoronishispsychosislab1474One Guy with the vacuum, the one with the broom and the Guy with the nasty black cigar!!😂 Too much!!!😂
The War Pugs!
Imagine, having to make every building Navigator accessible.
Thank you, Abhumans With Disabilities Act!
As an architect that was the first thing I thought when the black vehicle appeared. It must be a nightmare to make those buildings. hahaha
Bwahaha 😂👍
Imagine, not having the Guild's support because your family house isn't Navigator accessible.
Sci-fi version of fat people in Walmart motorized scooters
I love how the Emperor of the known universe is awkwardly trying to make small talk with the navigator, before gives up all his shit.
That was always my favorite part, he's trying to chat with the dude😂
@@VictorNewman201 there’s usually a problem when one of you shows up..
It shows you who is the boss in that relationship
@@VictorNewman201 while the navigator is kinda rambling to himself until the buzz finally wears off, and then he gets straight down to business!
@@jamesricker3997 You speak the truth, Kemo Sabe !
>barges in to the emperors tea party
>"you must kill Paul Atreides"
>refuses to ealborate further
>leaves
>You must kill the son of the man you fear is going to turn the noble houses against you.
Suddenly i see the navigator as a Diva of the highest order.
@@jenniferalvarado1745 or has ADHD
@@shawnalfaro6943 Too much coffee does that errr, I mean spice
just like google's ceo would do at the capitol
It's interesting that Lynch often frames the internal monologues in Dune like they're literally in a theater play, breaking the fourth wall to have them turn and speak to the movie audience. A very cool stylistic move. When I saw this as a kid I didn't get it, now I'm older I go "Ohhhhh..."
I believe it's called, "exposition" 🙄
It's like the movie equivalent of thought bubbles in comic books.
@@ormand3000 Any relation to Basil Exposition?
The idea was good. I don't think it worked terribly well however - I keep feeling like he should "show, not tell."
@@ormand3000 It's called an "aside", it comes from classical theatre and originates in Greek plays to convey thoughts and feelings to the audience.
Exposition was how the scene opened revealing background information on the characters and setting explained in the story.
Imagine being so powerful you can walk into an emperor's throne room and tell him how shit's gonna be.
and even the navigator's got some bosses within the guild
the dudes are simply weirdo airline pilots. They're not ordering hits on royal house nobility
@@bhedgepig9653 they can basically lay down sanctions on factions though "oh, don't want to do x for ~~us~~ the padishah? good luck getting anything to/from your planet"
Well you have to look at it like this the space guild runs everything having to do with space the spacing guild does not have high levels of computers. You know AI's to help them pilot through space so that they'll be able to fold space The navigators are heavily reliant to fold space and do the calculations.
The Highlanders are massive ships that can carry an entire house huge fleets of ships within a matter of minutes. Without the spacing guild there is no commerce there is no economy there are no plants nothing items and goods that need to be transferred throughout the Empire do not get done.
So in a sense the spacing guild kind of controls the Empire without their ships there are no commerce without no commerce there is no trade without no trade there is no one to enforce the law.
Of the emperor of the known universe if that's the case it makes it very simple so if spice is in danger the space and guild can roll up to the emperor and tell him how it's going to be and if he does solve the problem and give the space guild some back talk then the space guild can revoke the emperor.
Emperor's emperor's trade and immediately take off somewhere where the emperor can't find them because traversing space would take years trying to find The navigators.
Not so different from multinational corporations today. They can basically walk into gov't office of small countries or provinces (US states), and demand subsidies. And they can get it. Look at what Amazon did with their HQ2.
Multinational in our time might not be as powerful as gov't of major power countries, but could happen in the future. (e.g. The pope was more powerful than kings during Middle Ages)
I really loved the costumes in lynchs version; the navigators are terrifying. Their aura is fearsome and foreboding. They look to be above everyone else in the galaxy and rightly so, they control space travel.
The navigators in Denis Villeneuve's Dune look like Catholic Astronauts than an esoteric intergalactic organisation that controls everything in the background.
To be fair, that was the Catholic Church in history. Treaties could not be signed, marriages and alliances between the royal houses made, and wars declared without the blessing of the Papacy.
I can’t wait for the current Dune series to give us a look at a space navigator
It was Moebius' work, that's why
And Giger worked on it, too.
Best bene gesserit fits as well
"I just folded space from Ix and boy are my arms tired."
LoL!
HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bullseye!
I'm here all week
Bu-dum-tiss
“I see plans within plans.” One of the greatest things about the book was you can see how each character had plans within plans and considered the things going against those plans when assessing every situation. Frank Herbert was a brilliant writer!
I think his writing had a huge appeal in the "FlowerPower" generation, the generation that experience with psychadelic drugs to acchieve higher levels of conscience.
But basicly his writing is pretty anti-science and creates an universe that is mediaval. It is actually a needless complicated coming of age novel with no deeper layers then for instance the Lion King. In Dune he limits himself to that story: ignoramus becoming savior. After Dune he got completely of the rails with his socio-political exploits.
Wondering how this novel would be received when written in the late '90-ties where drug addiction was and is the mayor drive behind crime worldwide.
@@kamion53 Found the person who didn't even start reading past the first book. Try Dune Messiah to see all your arguments brought on their head together with all the common tropes the reader is tricked into while at first book.
I see plans within plans within plans within plans, but that's a sign I'm losing cohesion LOL. And the one thing I did not plan for, was exactly that...
@SearedAhi wishing there was a spell checker at this medium, I make a lot of typo's.
but apart from that: please explain what is so shitty about my opinion.
Just throwing out a remark without argument like you made is otherwise just a fart in the room.
@@davidguyette2586 could not agree more, when something is annoying the first 5 hours, it is probable lethal in the 90th hour.
I think the serie startd tto annoyed mildly in God Emperor but completely at Heritics, did not even finish it.
I like how Lynch was like "what this scene needs is some bald-headed dudes with vacuum cleaners."
I thought it could have done with a song and dance routine by the Spacing Guild members myself. :)
They are retrieving the Spice gas that leaks. It's so valuable they suck it up and leave none behind.
They didn't do a very good job then. Still quite a mess.
That's what you get with union workers!
good observation
I love the dialog here. Emperor just makes small talk, two word answers, talking about their journey, then a massive exposition dump
Not really small talk, the guild is saying watch these guys on Xi, they are very close to breaking the Orange Catholic's rules On AI.
To be fair, the book has massive walls of text that are exposition dumps. It's a hard book to adapt to film. David Lynch went too far with monologues but Denis Villeneuve stripped down his Paul to almost nothing.
@@AkshayKumarX The newer movies. Viewers can take whatever's shown at face value without having to know the backstory behind those scenes.
@@AkshayKumarX what's wrong with you mate. Don't dump text, go get a life.
For all the criticisms of the Lynch version, you can't argue with the set design and the costumes. Fantastic mixture of the Victorian past and a far distant yet clunky future.
mdhookey , I especially liked the emperor's truthsayer as she left the emperor's chambers, so that the emperor and the navigator could have their dialogue- her dignified walk, posture, and her robes flowing with an almost aristocratic grace.
I can 'argue' it all day - I find the costuming beyond absurd, but the 2019 MET Gala missed a bet...they should have had everyone invited for their Camp themed party wear the ridiculous costumes from this movie
@@edwardbowie1014 Yikes! That's pretty harsh. The Fremen still-suits and the Bene Gesserit habits are downright brilliant, and everything else is pretty darn solid. I don't know what people will be wearing thousands of years hence, but if humanity returns to feudalism, then it's plausible that they might be wearing something like the costumes in this film.
Visually, yes, it's really something. Too bad the rest is such utter crap.
it's not Victorian. It's earlier, maybe Elizabethan or Plantgenet
This movie blew my mind as a kid and still holds up today! The steampunk, Victorian space design is gorgeous.
Probably more akin to diesel punk.
Like, I accept that it is an objectively bad adaptation, and a very, very bad movie... But I love the way it looks so much
My understanding is their tech is like cassette Futurism but dressed up
Gay af, but I love it.
The sets, costumes, designs are incredible! Mua'dib! Mua'dib!
Despite what the critics thought back in '84, David Lynch and his team, for the most part did an amazing and sublime job of visually depicting a society *tens of thousands* of years into the future and probably far beyond what Frank Herbert had in mind when Dune was written. This scene always gives me chills.
I get goosebumps from this scene. It is one of my favorite scenes in all film.
Well they paid top dollar back then for this production
Hats off to the set designers/ builders. They captured the Gilt opulence of an impossibly wealthy Corrinno empire. The garish Red and black Harkonnen world , devoid of natural living things ." Father, the sleeper has awakened !"- Paul Atriedes.
far beyond what Frank Herbert had in mind... No, read the book, always tens of thousands of years. If the movie gives you chills, the books will blow your mind, a true adult read. In fact, if I recall, Earth is now ancient History and its location and status are mythical at this point in the story. BTW, the book was released in 1965ish... Spice is their oil, Christianity and Islam have united as a single religion but Jews are still around and hiding. I love the movie but the books are much more detailed, it's a fascinating read. If I remember correctly, Frank died while the movie was being filmed, or very close, approved the changes but never saw it released. No weirding device in the books, it was a fighting style.
I mean the court officers looked a little too similar in dress to those of the early 20th century for my taste but everything else was aight
Imagine being the guy whose only job is to vacuum up all the water left by the tank and still not be good at it.
I know, right. lmao, it's like he is probably the brother in law of one of the other guys
@@dougdouglas2112funny skit idea
@georgemulford2910 lol
They did a lousy job cleaning it up. Lazy bastards
At least he’s not the guy who falls over at 3:13 😂😂😂
I still love the decadence of this scene. The costumes, makeup acting. I was enthralled as a child and still love it today.
I know the feeling ! The plot may confuse me, but I never fail to be blown away by the LOOKS of this film ! Totally entrancing !!
I didn't understand a word of it as a young teen. Didn't care, the sci-fi spectacle was enough for me.
I much prefer the depiction of 10,191 AD in the Lynch movie to the current effort. “Decadence” is a good word…in contrast to the IKEA / Danish Modern look of 2022.
Well said.
And almost all of it was practical effects in huge lavish sets. No CGI or LED walls.
You can see the stylistic influence this film had on "The Fifth Element" !
Are you talking about the scenery and machines? Steam punk?
Moebius did a production design and whole screenplay for Jodorovski Dune which clearly influenced the Lynch version and was also responsible for production design in Fifth Element
@@bubu6315 well, the Dino de Laurentiis machinery is behind Dune. You can see very similar aesthetic choices in Flash Gordon or Barbarella.
And Starwars too!
reminds me of dark city
The emperor removed _the hell_ out of that cloak. How to make a mundane thing look awesome, by Jose Ferrer.
one of the most amusing comments Ive ever read. Jose Ferrer is the dog's bollox.
+Belz Zebuth The guy was the Emperor of the known universe, he probably got an erection every time he sat on his throne. ;)
And yeah, he needed to be very, *very* wary of Paul Atredies....
lol excellent catch...or not-catch....
Actually, in the books, the emperor was a bumbling idiot. A complete tool who was oblivious to what went on around him.
***** No, he was just arrogant and didnt know what was happening on dune, or who he was f-king with
"The Bene Gesserit witch must leave." So badass. I always loved the Spacing Guild in Lynch's movie. The detail with they're weird voices and the archaic translator staff. If I'm not mistaken, the guild member doing the talking is even more mutated at the end of the film. Nice touch.
"...Witches LEAVE." -Guild Navigator
@@fvckingtest I'd buy that for a total of 1.46 million 62 solaris
@@NotTheAntichristCalling it now, Paul Verhoeven will direct Dune: Messiah. The Kwisatz Haderach: Would you like to know more?
Imagine a group being as influential and powerful as them because humans are outlawed from developing computers that could do their jobs.
Folding space dead easy, mopping floors slightly more problematic.
mopping floors to show how the Emporer is a second class citizen to a 3rd stage navigator maybe?
hahaha ikr. Even as a kid I thought... they aren't doing a very good job there. hahahaha
Then they all pause at the entrance to look back at the emperor.
Hey, Some things never change.
They're obviously very contemptuous and look back at the end as if to say "screw you".
Navigator: "I did not say this. I was not here."
Emperor: "I understand."
Also the Emperor (2 minutes later, in front of all his generals): "Why would the guild navigator that was just here want the Dukes son killed?"
He didnt say it, it was a thought. They use it alot in this movie.
@@drestinblack Susan was talking about the Emperor, not the guild navigator
@@Smoke3380 And every time they think it's a voiceover. Here you can see his lips moving. He spoke it. Presumably the generals are trusted by the Emperor.
He understands that the Navigators don't want anyone to know they gave the order. He does not understand why they gave that order in the first place.
Translation: "It would be in our mutual interest that you pretend we never had this conversation".
So I've never seen anything about Dune before, but the worldbuilding in this scene alone is quite incredible really
Lynch's movie, which this is based off of, is close to the book but many liberties were taken with it. It's best to look at this as a stand alone production based on the Dune Universe. Its enjoyable for the time it was made in.
@@Ionsniper People are too rough on this movie. It’s an insane, campy, melodramatic mess of cosmic proportions, and that’s why I love it. It’s best enjoyed by seeing it first and reading the book afterwards. I can understand why Herbert fans were disappointed, but if you stumble across this film with zero context, you’ll want to read the book.
@Corgore Yeah, the Guild Navigators aren't even mentioned in Dune, only that the Guild overall has been involved in moving everyone around (as is their place). The Navigators appear for the first time in Messiah, and this feels like a way of mixing the two novels whilst allowing it to take care of the exposition of the politics/factions.
P.S. I think the Lynch film is awful.
@Corgore I didn't enjoy Dune 2021 having not read the books, but I've now read the first three and *wow* Villeneuve nailed it. Would have liked to see more of Liet Kynes, and I really don't know how they'll make the Alia story credible on screen in part 2, but what a universe to sink into.
David Lynch is a madman, a lunatic and a genius with one wild haircut.
And they say Villeneuve has made a better Dune. The level of detail, the atmosphere, scenery and costimography is just on another level in Lynch's master-piece. I'm still in awe, this movie is a must every year for me.
A couple of the ship shots are fabulous.
This was not in the book.
@@brianm3160True but sometimes in films you need to explain the journey of the characters and lay out the story more for the viewer. The Dune novel is very complex. I’m guessing why this was done but I’ve seen it in many films converted from books.
This was an epic achievement in its time...and still the standard unsurpassed.
The new version sucks...
Good thing they had that big ass door so that guy could visit.
He comes to my house we are going to have to hang out in the garage.
judsonkr 😂😂😂😂 and thank fuck they had that big ass landing pad as well ; that shuttle would have raised your whole neighbourhood! And so just that they could thang out in your garage ? Frivolous!
better bring your own spice!
The guild are fans of Half-Life 2, crack open a few beers, spicy nacho Doritos, Spice Girls on the sound system.
Good times.
Ya plus the shop vacs you need to suck up the lubricant on the floor
Yeah you see last time they just crashed through the wall so ... lesson learned.
3:12 I love the guy falling over on the left.
LOL! He recovered well enough to not destroy the scene with a do-over!
Good catch. Lol
What an amazing find
Probably the dude's first job since he conked his stormtrooper helmet on the bulkhead in A New Hope!
Well spotted sir. Never noticed that before.
I love how the camera follows the Navigator's tank as it moves through the throne room. As if he didn't move, the room did. It both shows how much he dominated the situation, highlighting the Guild's power over the imperium, and tying to their FTL travel.
I absolutely love this movie though it has aged. The mixture of royal and tech. Industrial style at times with this great element of sci-fi while being rooted well with its cast selection. The spacing guild have always captivated me. Yes they are weird looking but in such an intriguing way. I'd say they look better in this film while in the tank but they didn't have the capabilities back then to really do the space folding scene right. Where they fold space, you know Lynch wanted something more but its still such an interesting idea. The fact this thing is/was a person who has been accelerating his own evolution to have these abilities. The catch to this is they can only exist in spice gas now so he has to be wheeled around in this massive train car looking tank so he can breathe. Soo good!
The Spacing Guild didn't have FTL. They folded Space (....which gives them the ability to fold space, that is, travel to any part of the Universe....without moving). It's in the opening monologue oration...
@@james_tiberius_kirk73 Yeah, sure, I used FTL as a short-hand for "how to get to somewhere else in space without dying of old age", but it is in fact a bit inaccurate in the dune universe.
@@james_tiberius_kirk73 they fold space and "move" relative to their origin to the destination "without moving", they occupy both locations in space simultaneously during the fold then only the destination location as the fold ends. The original commenter points out something really cool in their observation. Your reply added nothing. It's faster than light travel because the folding and positional change covers more distance in the same time than light could travel, sans folding.
@@colonelmustard2652 Clever but incorrect. You don't move during the theoretical folding of space. Once again because you're slow - "Without Moving". Take a piece of paper, draw a circle on one side then fold the paper. Got it? Terrific.
This version is way underrated. It is a good film. Of course back then the FX weren’t like what it is today. But it did it’s best. I loved the Baron character in this one. What a character!
I loved the seamlessness of the visuals in the new Dune and the acting, but the design wasn't as creative and fantastic as Lynch's. It was a whole new worlds!
One of my favorite films. Never understood why it got such a bad rap. Incredible visuals, incredible story, great acting...it has it all. I have not seen the new version and don't know if I want to...remakes are seldom as good as the originals.
@@sak1237 remake blows this outta the water. Its incredible
@@StillWeRidebingo. Although they do have the benefit of taking their time with multiple sequels lol. But still
@@StillWeRidehahahahahaahah right its soooo good the new one reminds me of the world we live in today!
Whatever it's faults, I love the artwork, clothing and general style of this film - its' really good and an attempt to differ from the general Star Wars influence.
Actually, the Star Wars franchise, the cheap propagandist U.S. soap opera, was derived from this...
yeah ok Martin, Lucas created US propaganda by paying tribute to a great Japanese film-maker...
Yeah it looked absolutely great and very surreal, Really otherworldly and better yet, another time in the future.
It's telling that even the SciFi channel miniseries took costuming and art design cues from this.
Martin Rapavý
Propaganda? Get your head out of your ass.
I have to say that the look and feel of Helen Mohiam and her costume is, in my view, perfect. Sian Philips gives her just the right touch of austere beauty, she looks the politician, the witch and the courtesan.
she gives me a funny feeling in my stillsuit pants. she must have been an Imprinter at some point
i love the costumes and sets for this movie, totally nailed it imo. plus the worm and heighliner, leto, jessica and paul are all cast so well.
Yes, they were cast very well. They all fit the descriptions of the characters in the books.
The Navigator arrives via something that looks like a Thirties Streamline locomotive. Do I remember rightly that an earlier appearance on Caladon has the place fitted out in dark wood with brass fittings, like an Edwardian gent's yacht?
gregory brownma the set design was gorgeous, both dune and caladan
Love the expression she gives when describing the mind of a navigator as if in equal parts awe and dread.
This will always be the best version of Dune...an epic masterpiece in it's time, and still the standard.
I absolutely agree 💯
This is one of the better scenes from the Lynch movie which shows how it has some elements in it better done than in new Dune movies. This type of scene looks more alien, more bizarre, somewhat more weird.
some?....the Lynch movie is in a different class!
@@buggerlugz6753Yeah, David wants to forget he attended that class.
This scene is not in the novel and it's unnecessary, it tells too much from the beginning, it kills the mistery of the emperor's treason and his motivations.
Movies must show, not tell. This is like a school theater play with excessive and overexplaining dialogue. It's also very dated even for it's time. The only cool thing about this scene is the design of the navigator and the costume and set design. Although the lighting is very flat and amateurish making them look too costumy and the set pieces fake and cheap.
@@TheStOne1David Lynch originally recommended Dune to be three movies but at least two. But the production and basically the entire Hollywood wouldn't let him. The philosophy back then was one book one movie. So David Lynch had to cram all of that into one movie somehow.
Also on top of that; supposedly David Lynch filmed about 6 hours' worth of this movie. He had no say-so in the editing.
@@buggerlugz6753in a lot of ways are like the David Lynch movie better.
My favorite quote is in that scene. "Listen to me! The Spice must flow! The spice has given me accelerated evolution for four thousand years! It has enabled you to live two hundred. It gives the Bene Gesserait Sisterhood the metaphysical ability to see beyond. You have superior powers. Our power to fold space is in the spice. Without us your Empire would be lost on isolated, scattered planets. YOU would be lost!" That is a boss flex on the Padisha Emperor of the universe and Jose Ferrer displays the perfect balance of contained terror facing the Guild as they *lay out the stakes*.
It also kind of sounds like a drug addict who gets agitated when he realizes his fix is about to be gone.
@@serpentphoenixwell, yeah, it literally is that too.
Imagine a group being as influential and powerful as them because humans are outlawed from developing computers that could do their jobs.
They should have kept that line in the final release. We got all of that within the movie but to have it all said at once and so emphatically would have been a serious nod as to what Paul was going to do.
The one thing I really love about this scene is it shows the Emperor is not as powerful as he would have everyone believe. This is the same for Presidents you always answer to someone.
If he crosses and Navigators they will just blockade him
The Emperor and his court will be trapped and doomed a painful death from Spice withdrawal
Except, unlike democratically elected leaders, monarchs rely on reputation, and perception of power to maintain the position they have.
and so on and on
@@concept5631 "unlike democratically elected leaders, monarchs rely on reputation" Sadly most democratically elected leaders rely on reputation too. As for monarchs. It depends on what kind of country/system they're the monarch in. In an absolute monarchy like Saudi Arabia the king's word is everything as there is no parliament or any governing power to restrict his power. In constitutional monarchies of say many countries in Europe the king/queen only has nominal/emergency powers and is mostly a figurehead while the prime minister and his/her cabinet hold the true power.
Not even Medieval monarchs could solely rely on "perception of power" to stay in charge. They had to buy loyalty from their vassals and grant them a lot of regional power for their service to the king. In case some vassals felt they got too little from the king they could either proclaim a pretender to the throne a king and claim he is the rightful heir, or they could join forces and decide to make one of themselves a king. Different royal families fought with each other and often made strategic marriages to grant "blood loyalty".
In the 1400's the bloody war between the House of Lancaster and House of York (both descending from King Edward III) held power in intervals during the War of The Roses. It ironically ended with a Welsh pretender called Henry Tudor ending up king of England, forming the House of Tudor. His efficient restructuring and reformation of commerce made England come out of the Medieval era and entering the Modern Era. Trade went up, new discoveries and the England began conquering the Americas. This popularity is based on the very same popularity democratically elected leaders have today. A good economy makes a president/prime minister/king/queen popular.
@@concept5631 Democratically elected presidents rely on populism, demagoguery and empty promises to sway the masses, then once in power gradually forget about their promises to the masses (but no to the economical elites funding their rise into power). This continues until the next round of circus comes in town the following election season. The masses learn nothing.
Lynch’s Dune was pretty great for its time, except for the rushed 3rd act, and sound guns. If He had the ability to adapt it into 2 movies it would have been beyond great!
the very first draft was planned to adapt the book into three movies, kinda like how the book was split into three parts
were the sound guns not in the books?
Sound guns were not in the book but i think it was a great addition @@derd3
David Lynch originally recommended Dune to be three movies but at least two. However the production and basically the entire Hollywood wouldn't let him. The philosophy back then was one book one movie. So David Lynch had to cram all of that into one movie somehow.
Also on top of that; supposedly David Lynch filmed about 6 hours' worth of this movie. He had no say-so in the editing.
@@derd3No, the Soundwave guns were not in the book. While rail guns and laser beam guns were used, people mainly fought with swords.
It's just a special effects of the time could not justify what he needed to do so he made the idea of the Soundwave guns and such.
I like how the Navigator warns the Emperor "I did not say this... I was not here" and not 2 minutes later, the Emperor is already yapping about what he heard to everyone in the room.
@Keith1974 That's not what's in contention: the Navigator clearly stated not to tell anyone that he said to have Paul killed, yet right here: ua-cam.com/video/VSV9S2Ol3bc/v-deo.html the emperor is speaking it out loud right in front of his whole army. That's what I'm referring to. Nobody's contesting that the Guildsmen were there, just that they requested not to be associated with the killing of Paul, yet there he is, completely going against what the Navigator expressly told me not to do. It's weird.
"There must be no eavesdropping of any kind". Later, after everyone ordered to leave has since reassembled in audience to the emperor, he muses out loud: "But WHY would they want the duke's SON killed?"
Haha...
"I've been dropping no eaves sir" :P
Well, to be fair, the Sardaukar commanders and staff coming in are likely the people who would have to go and arrange the assassination and the attack on Arrakis. They likely know the situation pretty well.
The Emperor did not know what was going to be said and wanted no recordings of the conversation to potentially cause him trouble later
The people he talked to were the Sardaukar commanders they could be trusted to give honest advice and not to talk
30 years later it still is a beautiful scene.
Our thoughts exactly
17 years ago.
17 years ago I've got my computer, had access to the internet, and this was one of the first videos I watched on youtube at the end of 2006
Impressive, and sad, how quickly the time runs.
At 3:13 one of the navigator on the left trips and fall
Good eye!
theunraveler : yes, that was in the book. (lol, only joking)
Chris Nash When Mohiam says, "We felt his presence." -- she meant that guy.
excellent
Yep. Is there a print where they re-shot that scene? You'd think it would be edited out or something by now.
I need to read these books, always saw them in the bookstore as a kid and always thought the covers were too out there for me. Here I am two decades into life a dungeon master and writer of my own universe I am fascinated with universe building. I now have listened to overviews of the series and I am getting drawn deeper and deeper into this series.
I read the book(s). They're worth reading.
There will never be another Dune like this.
They should let Lynch direct God Emperor to Chapterhouse
Thank God
Hopefully
what's amazing is how well this aged. other than the navigator itself, everything is totally convincing still.
Reverend Mother: I know what the third stage guild navigator is getting for christmas.
Emperor: How can you possibly know that?
Reverend Mother: We felt his presents.
OH MY FUCKING GOD >:(
Take your filthy upvote and get out of here, Dad.
So dumb but I admit I laughed 😆
@@ganador13 So dad-bad it made me laugh, but your reaction was even better.
comedy gold man...........well done.
Often I will go into a grocery store and ask where the produce section is; once they point it out I announce, "I did not say this. I was not here."
Said that to a friend the other day to express my not wanting to meddle into yet another social drama I explained to him when he asked me how so-and-so was doing. Never felt so smug and bloated with Spice in my life ^^
I once realized I was in a dream AND probably late. I woke myself with the sentence "The sleeper must awaken". Both sentences not in the book.
If it were me, I would most likely respond: "Whatever, dude."
I often ask, "Where is the spiiiiiice?"
I love you for saying that. It is by Will alone I set my mind in motion...
To this day I don’t understand the bad press this movie has gotten. It’s brilliant, and visually captivating. Those sets, and the Lynchian tropes are very appropriate for the garish anatomy and trippy concepts in Dune. This scene alone is amazing.
Yes, its a fav
I agree however David Lynch originally recommended Dune to be three movies but at least two. But the production and basically the entire Hollywood wouldn't let him. The philosophy back then was one book one movie. So David Lynch had to cram all of that into one movie somehow.
Also on top of that; supposedly David Lynch filmed about 6 hours' worth of this movie. He had no say-so in the editing.
Watching this with the subtitles on makes it 10 times funnier.
"We must have a look at Paul Atreides on Canada."
🤣
Helen Maryam is going to Canada I guess
Bwahahaaaa 😩🤣
The presence of House Atreides threatens Tim Hortons. The donut supply must flow.
Ahhhh, Canada... they've been too good for too long.
I've read almost all of the books in the Dune universe, including the prequels, and I have to say that I still LOVE this movie. Did they change the book? absolutely. But did they capture the essence of the book and the universe? Absolutely.
Maybe it's because this movie was my introduction to Dune and I saw it before I read the books, maybe it's because I'm a massive Lynch fan, but I've still seen the movie 3 or 4 times in my life. And I enjoy it every time.
@Rhett Broadby yes
100%. Oh, Lynch screwed up the Harkonnens and Chani, but yes and yes, he got the essence of a very long and complicated book into a 2 hour movie wonderfully well.
Mr. Lynch, thank you for a wonderful part of my brother's and my childhood❤.
We first saw your film in the early 90s late one night and we were enthralled every minute, I don't think we even went to the bathroom.
The visuals, set and costume design, the ships, everything had us captivated and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's still the Best Dune film we've ever seen, even better than the new ones.
I love how happy the Emperor seems to be during the talk with the navigator
Thank you! That was a fantastic recreation of that scene. It really gives the watcher more of the big picture, so they get more of the stakes at play here.
3:28 I love this contrast between the translator and the character’s actual voice. Normally, this would be some typical Lynch thing of being odd for the sake of being odd, but it works so well here.
Such a underrated classic👍🏻
Mrs. Phyllis Stephens go watch your golden girls lady..what do you know.
Brutally bad film.
It's as if the director was handed the book, read the back cover and then tossed it out the window saying "well, that's enough reading for me!"
Exactly.
One has to be desperate to see a filmed version of this book to like it. The only people who think this movie isn't a massive pile of pig-swill, are those that have to like it.
"The only people who think this movie isn't a massive pile of pig-swill, are those that have to like it."
@ Ima Pseudonym. Who are these people you speak of that "HAVE to like it"
North Koreans?
I thought my point was clear enough, but I guess I didn't dumb it down enough for you.
They "HAVE" to like the movie, because they have no other option.
There I hope that helps.
They fit the whole book into one movie and told the tale complete. Very half-developed but honestly I understood it all. David Lynch did splendidly making this only 2 hours 20 min long.
If only he was given creative freedom to make the movie that he wanted.
@@barbiquearea He supposedly wanted to make it a two part movie. That would've been way better
I agree. This movie was great. I understood it even as a preteen. And the sets and costumes. 💋👌
They can fold space but can’t make a fish tank that doesn’t leak?!
Nowadays these intricate sets would all be CGI, but back then this was all masterfully hand-crafted. Now a lost art sadly.
Henchman Twenty1 whats wrong with CGI?
That question is the same as asking why should i eat a home made burger made of quality ingredients, when i have a Big Mac.
Because we know it's CGI, which takes away the integrity of the cinematic intentions of the creators of the initial idea as a whole. When I saw "Final Fantasy" back when, I was awestruck until about halfway thru, and forgot completely what the story and plot were going towards. I was distracted by knowing the "actors" voices that just didn't fit the characters implied. But the "big screen" helped me to just "enjoy the show"
I.have.heard that there might be a reboot in the works
@@paulmallon9033 Yes its being made by Denis Villaneueve director of The Arrival and the Blade Runner 2049.
Best thing is that he got his floor cleaned for nothing.
Um, that wasn't water those guys were mopping up.
I'm guessing then the Guild Navigator will be visiting every week from now on?
When the Navigator emptied his race tank it destroyed valuable tile that cost more money than you would make in 100 lifetimes
Fortunately the spice recovered from the waste would pay for it
That's a bloody big Roomba! Still, I suppose the Emperor can afford it...
That guy with the cleaner wouldn't pass muster.
I don't care what the naysayers say. I LIKE David Lynch's version, just as I LIKE the SciFy Channel version. Hopefully, the next version will be even better.
Alternative Edition Redux needs some sound and picture tweaks and the rain scene added back, but check it out as the most definitive version of Lynch's movie.
It's beautifully art directed but it's problematic because there's little of ecology, Kynes and the movie skips 1/3 of the book. That's diabolical and unforgivable. Imagine doing that to Lord of the Rings. But I still watch it and enjoy it.
A movie DOESN'T have to be like the book to be good.
Problem is there was no way you could put even just the first book into a movie, even if it was "The Longest Day" long. I liked Lynch's version probably because I saw it before I heard anything about Dune. But with all due respects, I thought the SciFi channels version was terrible! Paul was like a petulant whiny child, the actors try as they might fit nowhere near into their roles like the cast in Lynch's version (except for Kyle MacLachlan, but that wasn't his fault, he was cast too old), and the whole movie came across like a really bad fashion show. Especially the silly chef hats they made the sardaukar wear!
Star wars still better
love the set desing and costuming so much. There's the Lynch magic in this film for sure
The 'slight problem' is actually the end goal of the navigator, replacing the Emperor with Paul... By mentioning Paul, the navigator ensures his struggle and his eventual victory over the emperor. The Navigator sees plans within plans and folds space and time -- His plan is to replace the Emperor with Paul. And he is successful the moment he mentions his Name.
The Navigator knows she's listening the whole time - she can 'feel him' - but his evolution and mind are orders of magnitude beyond her small humanoid form. This is why she fears him... he is beyond her abilities, and she falls for his trap.
Doesn’t Paul intend on eliminating all spice production?
never thought of that.Damn.
@@ryanhughes1101 Only to control it.He actually says it in the movie.
@@ryanhughes1101 You see the motivation of the Navigator to replace the Emperor with Paul: Paul will understand the Spice first hand, and the Spice Evolved Navigator is biologically dependent on the chemical. "The Spice Must Flow" - or All navigators will die. The Emperor's political folly threatens spice production with petty warfare on the single weakest point of failure - the ONE planet that creates the precious commodity. It is this selfish foolishness that demonstrates the incompetency of the Emperor, and the immediate need to replace him.
A True leader would step down and ensure a smooth transition without war, or work out a fairly simple and direct assassination of one threat or the other. Alternatively a skilled Emperor would establish a meeting between himself and the two houses in conflict, and work out a peace deal that would enrich both houses, secure stability, and never, NEVER put the flow of spice in danger. In summary: The Emperor's plan is a stupid plan, because he is a small minded and stupid person.
Thus the Navigator's judgement against him, and lifting up of Paul to replace him.
The Leader of the Galaxy can not be a foolish or stupid person willing to risk destruction of all intergalactic civilization just to stay on the throne of power.
The navigator works to ensure the survival of himself, his people, and the whole civilization.
@@SeaJay_Oceans not really. First the guild had nothing to do with eliminating the Duke or his son Paul. As a matter of fact the guild wanted to kill him with a Duncan Idaho gola after Paul’s jihad. Which lead to his son becoming the tyrant and ruling for over 4000 yrs and scattering humanity. Had the navigators had any foresight they would have realized the gola process eventually would turn Duncan into the ultimate Kwisatz Haderach, who avoided the Kralizec.
I'm back again. I just love Jose Ferrer in this role but I't hard to watch now that both José and his son Miguel are both gone. The family resemblance is remarkable.
RMoribayashi RIP Miguel worked with Lynch also on Twin Peaks. Both related to George Clooney.
The costumes in this movie are amazing, with the exception of the Sardukar.
It felt like Arrakis was being attacked by people making Intel CPUs...
They used literal body bags for the Sardukar
@@BrianChambers67 The black Sardarkar uniforms have been growing on me lately. It is a shame that is all they wear, especially at the Imperial Court. But per se, they are kind of cool.
@@chayashida lol. Intel Death Squads are still better than the mini series puffy berets they wore...Even Seinfeld wouldn't wear one of those...
@@BrianChambers67 Yeah...and I believe the Spacing Guild guys as well. I think it was made of a large amount of body bags originally produced in the early 1900s that were found in an old abandoned firehouse that was due to be torn down.
I recall hearing that some of them may have had traces of human remains...something that was kept from the actors for obvious reasons.
That weird codpiece thing worn by Feyd Rautha when he walks out of that steam shower-looking thing (causing Baron Harkonnen to mutter about "beautiful...Feyd") was clapped together at the last minute because originally, the scene called for Feyd to emerge, shall we say..."tackle out." a.k.a. "Full Monty."
Sting agreed to it, and it seemed set in stone...but the night before, the anxiety that had been simmering vis-a-vis the risk of having to cut the whole scene or remix it in post-production came to a full boil. A "re-do" would almost certainly not have been practical or feasible.
So the costume department grabbed what they had to work with, and put it together.
Something i like about the new dune film is how its subtely shown via costume and makeup that the various houses are slowly evolving into seperate subspecies of humanity.
The musical score and the "whispering thoughts" of the characters is what made David Lynch's movie a cult classic!
Whatever else on might say about this movie, it certainly didn't lack interesting sets, costumes and imagery.
THE GAMING SOLDIER some of the costumes worn by the members of the spacing guild were repurposed body bags
Casting was great also.
My complaint was that the script was written like it was taken from the cliff notes of the readers digest condensed version of the book. Plus the ending made no sense. And several of the characters, the baron most notably were changed...and not for the better
Great sets & costumes... poor writing and direction and some acting (e.g. Sting and the guy who played Paul).
I suffered through the whole movie only because my Dune fanboy friend had the car keys. PS He liked Battlestar Galaxative, too (the tv show).
It's a uniquely atmospheric and memorable movie.
I did not say this. I am not here. That guy did not fall.
As long as he didn't land on his front teef he is OK.
I didn't pee on the floor. My arms are not sassy. I don't have a pussy for a mouth.
@@spackle9999: Funniest comment here... maybe anywhere.
How excited I was to see Guild Navigators in the new Dune movies. But nope.
I guess Zendaya's two expressions were more important that Spacing Guild, spice and any details about the Dune universe.
The 1984 version of Dune was one of my first sci-fi movies and it still stands up today.
He who controls the pumpkin spice controls the white girls.
The latte must flow.
The pumpkin spice must flow. The pumpkin spice has allowed the Starbucks Empire to grow and thrive. Without it their empire would be lost, reduced to isolated scattered coffee houses dispensing nothing but espresso and cappuccino.
MUAD'DIB!
beeorganic he who controls the watermelon spice controls the white girls
This! I could say more if not for my name. The white girls most flow.
So cool that Lynch got to work with both father and son- Jose and Miguel (Albert in Twin Peaks)... two very gifted actors, may they Rest In Peace.
I still love this Dune
Dune is the best Sci-Fi you will ever read. It is so complicated that Hollywood has tried many times to make it. I have seen ALL versions.No director/cinematographer has done this justice. This was the best attempt in my opinion.
Read the book.....It will open your mind.
Mi Mono Agree totally. Lynch's interpretation hit me on a visceral level that no other production has matched.
Mi Mono "The Voice" was definitely more elegant in the novel : it was based on a psychological study of your enemy : just what exactly makes him drop his defenses ( everyone is different ) ; when you finish your analysis you speak the phrases ( in a "normal" tone - it's not the sound , specifically, but the meaning imparted to your opponents psyche ) that will momentarily weaken him and then attack. This comes in handy, for example, in a knife duel. I still relished the first film, actually had it on video tape. I can watch it a million times and never get bored. Great Cinematography.
In Villneuve We trust
I'm about 410 pages into the book as I write this. It's definitely one of the best sci fi stories I've read.
Agreed
It's nice to know that more than ten thousand years from now, Art Deco will still be a thing. :)
The finest architectural and industrial design will never vanish
Sian Philips was an incredible Reverend Mother…
Once again, another amazing performance by Stephen Segal. His entrance in that shuttle and how long he was able hold his breath in that liquid. Just wow.
It took years for me to realize that the navigator in the tank is a human being.
Not much of one any more though.
This movie might not have been the most faithful adaptation, but it was still fucking lit my bros. Gonna rewatch it before Dune 2020 for sure!
"I did not say this, I am not here" says the fishman in the big ass tank, exiting with his parade and leaving a trail of goop said parade is half-assedly vacuuming up
I didn’t realize how much hand holding Lynch’s Dune did for the audience to help them keep up.😊
Granted, Herbert's Novels ARE pretty high level Sci-Fi for most to try to follow... ;)
There is one constant in the Dune Universe, no one fully trusts the Bene Gesserit.
Nobody fully trusts ANYBODY! And they're right not to. That's power for you.
cpltrickie And rightly so ; The Sisterhood only ever followed its own private agenda.
Lady Jessica, a Bene Gesserit, wasn't told her own breeding, not to reveal she was an early gambit to produce their Kwizatch Haderach. To make a daughter from the Baron Harkonnen and marry it to his mortal enemy (in this case literally), to preserve the genes without preventing the genocidal war that follows, is a typical Bene Gesserit move.
Plus mind-readers. You never thrust mind-readers.
It's like having a trained cobra that can read minds. Cool, buut never turn your back on the cobra, or let it taste your fear . Fear is the mind killer.....
The other constant in the Dune Universe: The Spice must flow.
I still think Lynch's adaption is brilliant and the best version of Dune I have yet to see.
It sucks if u have read the book..
There is a spirit to Lych's version that taps the soul. He touches something deep within. He possibly suffered pressure from the film studio as well as time and budgetary constraints. For over a decade I dared to hope for a special edition but, it seems it's never going to happen.
Same but jodorosky’s would’ve been infinitely better
The tv mini is better even on its shoestring ( and not even fancy shoestrings) budget
@@Blorp52 Not exactly.
The most disturbing thing about the Guild navigator is the snail trail he leaves behind.
My life has been a complete and total misery ever since Bigfoot stole my precious girlfriend in the middle of the night.😒 He even took all her clothes and the T.V.
Like a woman with no legs...
That snail trail is is saturated with spice.
It is literally worth the equivalent of billions of dollars, It will be will be reclaimed, recycled and used.
_(in small voice)_ poop
Listen you can say what you want about this movie, and I get it, visually Villenue’s work is nice and all… but MAN the work that went in this film, the imagination, the over the top costumes and sets, it looks and feel ALIEN. Something that is so far in the future it clearly looks weird to look at.
Those two introductory shots of Irulan with her handmaidens or whoever are just gorgeous.
" You are transparent. I see many things. I see plans within plans."
I like how sending one 3rd stage navigator means sending a whole entourage of Guild reps in a spaceship the size of Omaha. So much for secrecy.
Of course, why else would a spaceship be going to the Capital of the Galaxy?
Space is vast, Omaha in space is less than a speck in an ocean.
I love the Lynch version, there is some kind of mystery in it, poetry, i was also impressed by the Sci fi movies we had in the 80's : Alien, Blade Runner, Star Wars and Dune. Those movies changed history of cinema until today. I don't understand why Villeneuve skipped the Navigator scenes.
I love how, over 8100 years in the future, they still have dogs, and pugs at that ...good job humanity!
I've always laughed at how that guy sort of brushes as they're leaving. It's probably traditional and ceremonial but he isn't doin' much of a job. They're sort of saying "Yeah, we're leaving so why don't you clean this shit up. Because...space folding MFers."
Don't want any possible traced of Guild DNA present to give away their visit to the Emperor ;)
Well done! Why was this so difficult and never properly executed by professional editors? Imagine if this version had received the luxury of being produced as multiple films instead of having to cram everything into one...
Lynch talked about doing a two parter, but scumbag producer Dino said "NO"
@@paulschumann4137 The damn book is too long to base one movie on. It should have been a two part movie.
@@paulschumann4137DeLaurentis did this a lot.
Should have been a trilogy like the first Star Wars !
This guy has to be the chillest emperor I’ve ever seen. The kinda guy you could invite for picnic on weekends.
The Spacing Guild in the novel colluded with the Fremen rather than Padishah Emperor. It was with this that the Guild received ample unrestricted access to Spice. It makes no sense for Spacing Guild to involve themselves with the squabbling between the Great Houses. Who governs Arrakis is irrelevant to them. In the book, power shifted from Harkonnen to Atreides and back and forth and it made no considerable difference to them. Splice flows regardless to the behest of the Landsraad.
The Spacing Guild accepted bribes from the Fremen.
They had an interest in not upsetting the flow of spice. Hence they cautioned the Emperor to tread lightly.
GeneHeim1
Yes, and it is for that reason of accepting bribes that led me to wonder why the Guild was worried about the lack of Spice production/distribution. The flow of spice is guaranteed and occurs regardless; it is not impacted whatsoever by the feuding houses of the Landsraad. There was never a scene in the first novel (which this film is based on) where Eldritch or the Guild visit the Emperor as it was not necessary (though it has been a little while since I've read it). I'm also confused as to why they were worried about Paul in the film, the Guild does not know about the Kwizatz Haderach and for all they know Paul is just some spoiled brat son of the Duke of one of the Houses.
The Guild hardly ever appears in the first novel. Not a single Guild Navigator appears until Dune Messiah, where Paul was a despot who *did* restrict the flow of spice. Here they had an actual reason to be concerned.
GeneHeim1
Honestly, while I admit this is a cool opening I just don't think it makes too much sense given the way things are at this stage in the Dune universe. I'd be more than happy to be corrected.
Cyborg Assassin
The only mention of the Navigator that I recall in the first novel was discouraging questions about the Navigators.
If the Guild had a prescience about Paul they could have expressed concerns. Been easier for them to try to get him to join their group.
The Guild never spoke to an Emperor in a malicious way, threatening them with "pain amplifiers". This appeared in a different scene in this movie. The Guild's main threat was to disrupt commerce.
I believe I read some where that the producers of the movie felt the original version of the film was "confusing", and demanded that the director and writer explain what is going on. I personally believe it was overkill but not everyone was familiar with the books.
No matter how this film is viewed, the late José Ferrier’s talents were sorely under utilized in this film.
It would've been cool if he'd been in more scenes. But it's not clear the plot demanded that outcome.
The thing that REALLY messed up the flow of everything is that the (book) story in Dune is told by Princess Irulan from her viewpoint, but in this version she has maybe three or four speaking scenes. The rest of the time she stands around looking pretty and not even smiling that much. The screenplay tore her role down to practically nothing even though she is crucial to the solution that ends the conflict - by having a marriage of convenience between Paul and Irulan.
@@kegginstructure Yeah, but she didn't *do* much in the first book besides introduce the chapters with quotes that mostly came from the future when she's writing this. The movie was happening in the present, where she was largely a bystander because of the muzzle her father and the Bene Gesserit had on her as an individual.
He is awesome.
"I WANT FIFTY LEGIONS OF SAUDAKAR ON ARRAKIS AT ONCE!"
"Fifty legions, sire? But that'll include our entire reserves as well."
"THIS IS GENOCIDE! THE DELIBERATE AND SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF ALL LIFE ON ARRAKIS!"
I love the earlier, Dune movie, but the way that these amazing actors these highly talented actors had to say their lines was indescribable to me. I can’t put my finger on what it is exactly. It’s like mini monologues done by nine-year-old child prodigies.
I only stopped by because this video said it was uploaded 18 years ago and I feel like I found a relic.
The Bene UA-cam Gesserit witch told you?
I just folded space from IX and boy are my arms tired.
Warning: Constant spice use can make you look like Jabba the Hutt.
Or worse...
Somewhere between Snoke and Jabba
And sound like Darth Vader.
Have you seen the Barron Harkonnen?
@@RoboWatchgirl He was fat because he was infected by the Reverend Mother, not because of spice indulgence.
"We must spell out every element ahead of time. The audience must be talked down to."
This is the first thing they teach you in screenwriting class: subtext.....Showing without splainin'.
I saw this in the theater when it first was released. IMHO, a Dino De Laurentiis production was always top-notch. I was totally captivated by it all! I especially loved the soundtrack. This movie was [and is] a Masterpiece!