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Now I finally understand the Legends fans. None of them had actually taken time to explain their overarching reasons for loving Legends before, but now I think I get the picture.
And yet the new Canon isn't quite the villain in all of this, because it's also fixing some problems that Legends had, like power creep and about 9 different ways to steal the same Death Star plans.
But the PCguy 17, the new canon makes zero sense. For example, you have the New Republic, a galaxy spanning government, that apparently has no warships. You have a resistance, against the New Republic? Who are they resisting against? There is zero reason to have a resistance. And apparently the Republic did not prosecute the war against the Empire to the end, to allow the First Order to become a threat. It makes no sense what Disney came up with.
All right, you complained that the Resistance had nothing to resist against, and then you complained that the First Order wasn't recognized as a threat. Which one is it going to be, because you can't complain about both. The Resistance was formed to fight the First Order _because_ the ineffective New Republic wasn't doing anything to stop the growing threat. Complicated? Yes. Nonsensical? Not so much.
Joe Laton If you actually looked into what you're talking about, you'd understand what has happened in canon and why it makes sense. All those things you said have an explanation, you just have to find it in books.
*cough cough* The stories post-Empire in canon actually do make sense if you take the time to look into them instead of constantly circle-jerking it *cough cough*
@@ultimatestarwarsgeek7603 Like what? Demilitatisation after decades of constant warfare against powerful unified enemy? Post-endor imperial autism and soyboy wars in New Republic Senate with Mon Mothma at hand? First Order being unable to catch up to a single ship and losing their flagship in the process?
The canon post Endor content does make sense, read the canon Star Wars aftermath books. The reason why the empire broke after Endor was because emperor palpatine didn’t want the empire to move on after his death, he viewed his underlings as dumb and despicable. With palpatine’s higher up Gallius Rax, he fed the fledging new republic information and plans to defeat the empire and move the small empire into the outer rim and wild space. In my honest opinion I don’t think the empire should have lasted as long as they did in the legends continuity.
@@mckayjberg6823 Except it had the upper hand for years up post Endor in terms of ships and soldiers it could field? 27,000+ Imperial pattern Star Destroyers spread across the galaxy, Kaut, Yaga Minor, etc, all major shipbuilders besides the Moncalamari being firmly under Imperial direction for years after the battle. Them having the argument of not being terrorists. ._. The Empire post Endor died slowly over the course of the next decade and change and you think it should have gone quicker? Lack of decisive battles and sheer lack of manpower prevent it. Also the modern Disney crap is tripe.
Considering that I was the villain of that trilogy, and the rebellion could not hope to match me in the field of battle, there, I'd say the odds were rather high.
You could have seen his coming, couldn't you? An entire planet under your grasp, responsible of the Emperor's atrocities, it was only a matter of time before he knew the truth.
for all the daftness in legends it makes way more sense for the empire to break apart into splinter factions then for a galaxy wide empire to be defeated and surrender in one single year, and it far more interesting then what Disney claims to be canon
But that's where the Contingency Plan comes in. If it wasn't for that, the Empire likely would've broken up into factions like you said and kept fighting for years, but it was orchestrated to fall very quickly by Palpatine through his sentinels. A galaxy wide empire wouldn't fall in one year unless it was planned to do so.
@@ultimatestarwarsgeek7603 well, that happened in SWEU too (Dark Empire, anyone?), but even then, it made a bit more sense in the SWEU (some of the warlords went rogue even then, and the Empire didn't fall even after the final death of Palpatine...)
I pick and choose what parts of the new canon to like and I like to think of the Battle of Jakku as the last time the New Republic fought a unified Galactic Empire, where it then splintered into the many squabbling warlords
Legends: 'The overwhelming and absolute loss experienced by the Empire during the Dark Empire crisis weakened Imperial powers moving forward, crippled most of the remaining warlords, and marked the begginning of the end.' Canon: Hey, look! It's Supreme Leader Snoke!
“Yeah he’s a strandcast which is totally different from a clone. And he’s completely unaware of his origins because something something something something basically a living force puppet Not like we came up with that after the fact and had to cover our asses. Nope not like that at all”
Legends Empire has multiple remnants fighting each other through a Imperial Civil War AND the New Republic at the same time but then Canon Empire just destroys their own planets through Operation Cinder and gives up after a year
Legends had the galactic civil war go on for longer, where as in canon it ended way too early. Also, each time the Empire comes back it feels unique and different in Legends, while in canon, the First Order just feels like the Empire. Imo, the First Order is far more interesting once you understand what's happening in the galaxy as a whole, and I also think the Empire in Legends should've died after Thrawn, but at least each threat felt fairly new.
i hate them both because they feel small compared to the legends universe that still felt huge, but the new cannon the empire was almost extinct after endor and then finished off bar a handful of shits in a 2nd battle...the empire controlled most of the universe 2 battles wouldnt have ended it thats why legends is better
Saintphoenix, i agree. I also haven't figured out how the NEw Republic has no ships. And why there is a resistance. Were they resisting against the New Republic?
Joe Laton After Jakku, Mon Mothma began a massive demilitarization of the New Republic in an effort to ensure the public that they were not trading one military dictatorship for another. Planet security was to be handled by local government sector defenses only. Leia knew this was a bad idea, because there were still Imperial sympathizers in the new senate, but she was ultimately dismissed as a warmonger when she objected to demilitarization. After leaving the Senate, she formed the Resistance to stand against the First Order. She was largely ignored by the NR, but a few Senators supported her through info and money. Kind of like a shittier version of the Rebellion, in a shitter trilogy of SW movies.
Hastur, the King in Yellow Local governements? Cough cough cough, seriously most of them don't have a sufficient defense fleet to stand against even a single ISD and not nearly enough planetary fortifications, additionally most of the ones who do (e.g. Kuat) are imperial sympathizers... Couldn't the new republic scramble a decent police force; considering a few thousand star destroyers mysteriously disappeared (Decent as something with more fighting capabilities than a single fleet or few Xwings). Speaking of Decent fleets WTF happened to the prominent underworld factions which had modest naval capacity.
no government in their right mind will EVER demilitarize after decades of open conflict like that. Especially with literally millions of factions at play
A very good video. A few notes though: Sander Delvardus was an Admiral not a General. He created the title of Superior General after he turned Warlord. Palpatine's final demise and the fall of the Dark Empire was orchestrated by Carnor Jax and the Imperial Ruling Council which went on to found the short lived Crimson Empire.
It's always awesome to see a video on the "Legends" Empire. Speaking of Empires that deserve sometime in the spotlight. I suggest the Eggman Empire from the Archie Sonic comics for a future video.
Hopefully one day the new canon will be as fleshed out as Legends. Sure there were more than a few duds in the old canon, but overall it told a pretty compelling story. I think one of Disney's greatest mistakes was ending the Galactic Civil war merely a year after Endor when they knew their new movies would take place several decades later. But hey, at least we are getting more Thrawn (and by Timothy Zahn no less!)
Justafan IV I agree. While I think the Galactic Civil War went on for too long after Endor in Legends, one year just seems too short. I would've rather had the Aftermath trilogy take place over a few years, and maybe the Battle of Jakku could happen 5 years after Endor.
Not completely in story. Having the big villain be the Empire up until the Yuuzhan Vong is pretty boring. They should've done away with the Empire after Thrawn, and Palpatine's resurrection and the Dark Empire shouldn't have been a thing.
Ultimate Star Wars Geek I mean most of it is pretty interesting at least, the Disney Canon post ROTJ is has the NJ both corrupt and inept and a even more incompetent Imperial Remeant all but dominating the galaxy. Respect your opinion anyways.
@ But they brought back the emperor which is dumb and defeats the point of Anakins ark (and the whole recapturing everything and then losing it as fast because superweapon yo is kinda bs)
Well, you know whats next. The Fel Empire needs its own overview/history video. also, seeing two amazing channels tag team like this is amazing. Hope to see more like this.
Well, the warlords are more realistic, I'll give you that. But the fact that the Empire just kept coming back over and over again was kinda stupid. Warlords make sense, Thrawn is fine, but once you get into Dark Empire stuff, the Empire as a villain gets kinda boring, and it would've been better to move on and kill it after Thrawn.
The Joker of Earth-0801 It was stupid and contrived. It was dumb to bring the Emperor back from the dead, and it was just an excuse to revive the Empire one last time for no good reason. There are some concepts from it that are cool, such as the Deep Core fortress worlds, but overall the story didn't need to happen. At best, there could've been a really long New Republic campaign to conquer the Deep Core that was very difficult because of how entrenched these fortress worlds were, but there was no reason the Emperor had to be reborn or another huge Imperial campaign had to happen.
Ultimate Star Wars Geek It was epic and faithful to the characters. The New Republic had been weakened by Thrawn and the Dark Empire had been rebuilding for 6 years with all the remaining warlords united they had the means to take over the Core Worlds, the rest of the Galaxy has been devastated by years of conflict. After the loss of it's capital the New Republic fell apart. For Palpatine's return, well i'm a big fan of lord Sidious so I'm always glad to see more of him but I can understand why others don't. Still it's better than to introduce a new super strong Dark Side user who comes from nowhere, and who is just a taller version of Palpatine with a golden bathrobe.
this is how the civil war should be disney . a 21 yers long struggle not just a simple 6 years war that end with endor and that minor battle of jakku .(yes in legend squal its minor )
LuftWaffe ME 109bf yes it makes no sense how so many people where loyal to the empire not to fight on and just die after Jakku its more sensible to have years more of conflict and strife
Disney really said that most of the Empire was defeated 1 year after Endor. They didn't even want to do a bit a work building up some strong lore that could be used for other projects. Like the empire fell apart in one year even though they had thousands of star destroyers around the galaxy. C'monnnnn
Jesus, isn’t Star wars’s universe just depressing? No peace, ever, everything is just a constant cycle of “empire, Republic, empire, Republic, Yuuzhan Vong, Republic, Empire”. These people are doomed to keep fighting the same wars again and again and again, and these sith lords keep appearing over and over again, with no real reason for it, God, I’m really depressed now.
The Empires major flaw was the lack of a clear successor. Palpatines ultimate goal was to achieve Immortality and live forever, so he never set a system of succession in place as he thought he wouldn't need one. Well tough luck, cause he's dead and there's no one to take his place. Who's the guy giving out the orders now?
Always glad to see this collab and see someone cover the Post-Endor era of Star Wars. Hope to see Eckhartsladder or you, Templin, help out with the current Twin Suns Foundation fundraiser looking to donate Star Wars books to children's hospitals in California and Pittsburg, Pennslyvania later this year. You two would help immensely and give these kids Star Wars content to look forward to. You can learn more here: www.twin-suns.net/donate/holiday-reads-drive-2018
For most of the 1st 2 eras, the events are good & detailed *but* the dark empire story is dumb and completely undermines ROTJ. I mean, palps returning shows no originality.
What it does do, is underline his character completely. Palpathine was obsessed with eternal life and never failing, and he was one of the most powerful Sith to have ever lived. That he would have a back-up plan that invovled him RETURNING TO LIFE FROM BEING KILLED is 100% what he would do, instead canon got us an absurd rage-quit of "I can't have it, so fuck all of you" and that the one thing I hate the most about Disney. They have no idea how to do any characters properly. EVERY CHARACTER they inherited from Star Wars they have pissed on. Every single one. At least in "legends" Palapthine stayed true to himself. Nothing was 'undermined' by his return, because Vader was still dead, the Death Stars were gone, the Empire was fractured and a considerably more realistic war was waged for decades to establish dominance in the massive power-vacuum.
I tend to agree with that. Also, nothing had been said about the Chosen One or the prophecy at this point. Sand saving Luke still dooms Palpatine ultimately.
Terenin I respect your point, but after all the NR's success, instead of continuing that story with them being the main government and having to deal with a more insurgent empire like perhaps an annaihalation of the senate building, or a fleet defection that would pose a NEW threat without undermining the last years of the story and all the NR's accomplishments. Honestly, I think death should be the end, or at very least the new palps would have been weaker and have to rely on others. Also any story like this shouldn't have the empire do so successfully. Thrawn was a better tactition and even he didn't recapture the core. Palps had a good scheming mind, but awful tactics
Overwhelming force is also a tactic. Palps re-united the majority of the fractured Empire and the fleet gathered at Byss was a monumental behemoth, easily the single largest Imperial force gathered together there ever was. He had several dozen dreadnought-size vessels and thousands of ISD's, not to mention hundreds of thousands of support vessels like Victory's, Strike Cruisers, Dreadnought-Cruisers (I know, naming scheme yikes) Lancer frigates and so much more. Thrawn had to use what he had. Palps had an immense armada that struck with massive force everywhere at once. He ran them over, but later as he had to take more andm ore space he spread them to thin. It's a classic tale, and honestly a rather realistic one far as military force goes.
"Legends" will always remain the true canon for me. Disney has forever butchered Star Wars, and it's good seeing them scramble about in the filth they created.
Would that filth happen to be the billions of dollars they've already made from these movies? And yes, before you say it, I know Solo severely under-performed, but their other movies have made them huge amounts of profit. If you consider that profit to be the filth that they scramble around in, I wouldn't say it's so bad for them.
Not exactly. What I am referring to is Disney/Lucasfilm's horrendous PR handling of the ever growing backlash that they have been facing from a divided fandom. With rumors that Kathleen Kennedy will be "stepping down", future Star Wars film productions being put on hold, internal disputes, and Solo's flop (under-performed is putting it lightly, I think), Disney has a clear problem on their hands. Solo seems to be a turning point. Many fans have gradually expressed their growing discontent with each movie released and it all ended with many of them speaking with their wallets once Solo made its debut. It doesn't help when the people who work on these movies mock and insult the fans with obviously paid "articles" parroting the same insults. If this trend continues, then we can possibly see future SWs movies earning less and less.
Sir Smite I'm not watching Episode IX But, I hope they learn from the lack of money and fire those in charge. Then we can possibly get Old Republic films, cool video games, and more Prequel content (spin offs, games, books).
It's interesting how these different faction in the warlord's phone during the Warhammer 40K universe against War Boss from like Orks at still yeah dancing like that
If you guys are still looking for people to do the dossier videos on I would recommend George Hammond from Stargate. His level headedness and ability to juggle the men and women under his command is almost Picard-like
Era 1: The Truce At Bakura X-Wing: Rogue Squadron X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble X-Wing: The Krytos Trap X-Wing: The Bacta War X-Wing: Wraith Squadron X-Wing: Iron Fist X-Wing: Solo Command The Courtship Of Princess Leia
*I came to support Eckhart because I ❤️ doge* Hey Templin, when are you guys going to launch another Neutral Zone episode? Maybe get all of you guys together and talk to Daniel about how the production of his series is going.
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EckhartsLadder
Awesome Collaboration
I watched some of your videos before...great work
EckhartsLadder This is a great cross over
Followed your channel for over a year now, just found out your actual name :)
Haha! Jokes on you, I've been subbed for I think a year now >:3
Now I finally understand the Legends fans. None of them had actually taken time to explain their overarching reasons for loving Legends before, but now I think I get the picture.
There's so much of it, man. Literal decades of story-telling and material all down the drain.
And yet the new Canon isn't quite the villain in all of this, because it's also fixing some problems that Legends had, like power creep and about 9 different ways to steal the same Death Star plans.
But the PCguy 17, the new canon makes zero sense. For example, you have the New Republic, a galaxy spanning government, that apparently has no warships. You have a resistance, against the New Republic? Who are they resisting against? There is zero reason to have a resistance. And apparently the Republic did not prosecute the war against the Empire to the end, to allow the First Order to become a threat. It makes no sense what Disney came up with.
All right, you complained that the Resistance had nothing to resist against, and then you complained that the First Order wasn't recognized as a threat. Which one is it going to be, because you can't complain about both. The Resistance was formed to fight the First Order _because_ the ineffective New Republic wasn't doing anything to stop the growing threat. Complicated? Yes. Nonsensical? Not so much.
Joe Laton If you actually looked into what you're talking about, you'd understand what has happened in canon and why it makes sense. All those things you said have an explanation, you just have to find it in books.
I'm a simple man. I see a collaboration with EckhartsLadder, I click the like button.
Alex P same here fellow simple person
What the hell! A post-Empire story that actually makes sense?
The AJ the expanded Universe is the OG universe
*cough cough* The stories post-Empire in canon actually do make sense if you take the time to look into them instead of constantly circle-jerking it *cough cough*
@@ultimatestarwarsgeek7603 Like what? Demilitatisation after decades of constant warfare against powerful unified enemy? Post-endor imperial autism and soyboy wars in New Republic Senate with Mon Mothma at hand? First Order being unable to catch up to a single ship and losing their flagship in the process?
The canon post Endor content does make sense, read the canon Star Wars aftermath books. The reason why the empire broke after Endor was because emperor palpatine didn’t want the empire to move on after his death, he viewed his underlings as dumb and despicable. With palpatine’s higher up Gallius Rax, he fed the fledging new republic information and plans to defeat the empire and move the small empire into the outer rim and wild space. In my honest opinion I don’t think the empire should have lasted as long as they did in the legends continuity.
@@mckayjberg6823
Except it had the upper hand for years up post Endor in terms of ships and soldiers it could field? 27,000+ Imperial pattern Star Destroyers spread across the galaxy, Kaut, Yaga Minor, etc, all major shipbuilders besides the Moncalamari being firmly under Imperial direction for years after the battle.
Them having the argument of not being terrorists.
._. The Empire post Endor died slowly over the course of the next decade and change and you think it should have gone quicker?
Lack of decisive battles and sheer lack of manpower prevent it.
Also the modern Disney crap is tripe.
This is the best collaboration ever
Han Solo first comment
Han Solo btw you died
Boy I haven't heard that joke ever
I love my thrawn with some dramatic death!
*"But it was so artistic..."*
I'd rather not die, thanks.
But what were the odds, Grand Admiral, that your own bodyguard would betray you?
Considering that I was the villain of that trilogy, and the rebellion could not hope to match me in the field of battle, there, I'd say the odds were rather high.
You could have seen his coming, couldn't you? An entire planet under your grasp, responsible of the Emperor's atrocities, it was only a matter of time before he knew the truth.
I could have, yes, but I did not. Thus, my neglection of that detail was my demise.
for all the daftness in legends it makes way more sense for the empire to break apart into splinter factions then for a galaxy wide empire to be defeated and surrender in one single year, and it far more interesting then what Disney claims to be canon
I agree
But that's where the Contingency Plan comes in. If it wasn't for that, the Empire likely would've broken up into factions like you said and kept fighting for years, but it was orchestrated to fall very quickly by Palpatine through his sentinels. A galaxy wide empire wouldn't fall in one year unless it was planned to do so.
@@ultimatestarwarsgeek7603
Crap storytelling.
@@ultimatestarwarsgeek7603 well, that happened in SWEU too (Dark Empire, anyone?), but even then, it made a bit more sense in the SWEU (some of the warlords went rogue even then, and the Empire didn't fall even after the final death of Palpatine...)
I pick and choose what parts of the new canon to like and I like to think of the Battle of Jakku as the last time the New Republic fought a unified Galactic Empire, where it then splintered into the many squabbling warlords
Well well well, if it isn't an awesome collaboration in action! Good going Eckharts.
I think the Pentastar Alignment is the most interesting and my favorite remnant.
God, I miss when Legends were Canon.
same
Canon according to whom?
WatcherMovie008 Nope. They were never canon according to Lucas.
Henry Ambrose
Who cares? The the majority of the writers was for EU as canon.
Same here man. Way better than this first order Mary Sue crap
The EU lore is far better than the lore that Disney came up with.
The Disney stuff is meh, but ok. However the EU was much better.
what has the European Union to do with Star Wars?
@@art-games6230 Heh. It's the Expanded Universe (the original star wars canon).
Thanks for the explanation @emzonik
Legends: 'The overwhelming and absolute loss experienced by the Empire during the Dark Empire crisis weakened Imperial powers moving forward, crippled most of the remaining warlords, and marked the begginning of the end.'
Canon: Hey, look! It's Supreme Leader Snoke!
Disney was snoking something that's for sure.
“Yeah he’s a strandcast which is totally different from a clone. And he’s completely unaware of his origins because something something something something basically a living force puppet
Not like we came up with that after the fact and had to cover our asses. Nope not like that at all”
Awesome. A Legends post empire era. The First Order may be ruthless, but I prefer the post Empire of the Legends canon.
The First Order is ruthlessly incompetent.
Legends Empire has multiple remnants fighting each other through a Imperial Civil War AND the New Republic at the same time but then Canon Empire just destroys their own planets through Operation Cinder and gives up after a year
I like the new canon, but this is something legends does that’s way better. The warlords, Thrawn, all that stuff trumps the First Order by a mile.
Legends had the galactic civil war go on for longer, where as in canon it ended way too early. Also, each time the Empire comes back it feels unique and different in Legends, while in canon, the First Order just feels like the Empire. Imo, the First Order is far more interesting once you understand what's happening in the galaxy as a whole, and I also think the Empire in Legends should've died after Thrawn, but at least each threat felt fairly new.
Ohhh its about me!
You have failed!
Nope, the best Empire is the Emperor Vitiate's Sith Empire.
Oooh it's about the lack of you
The Empire Well you Know The Imperium of man can out right stomp you right?
Jackob Wpierdemöller I beg to differ
Cool video and collab love both of your channels and content. This is really cool.
An animated series set in this era would be great. Also an excuse for more Thrawn.
The force is strong in this channel...
always liked Eckharts pick of the good Thrawn storyline instead of whatever the hell Disney did to him in Canon.
Great to see your work, Eckhart’s Ladder. May the Force be with you.
The New Republic in the new movies is an incompetent joke, The First Order isnt any better.
i hate them both because they feel small compared to the legends universe that still felt huge, but the new cannon the empire was almost extinct after endor and then finished off bar a handful of shits in a 2nd battle...the empire controlled most of the universe 2 battles wouldnt have ended it thats why legends is better
Saintphoenix, i agree. I also haven't figured out how the NEw Republic has no ships. And why there is a resistance. Were they resisting against the New Republic?
Joe Laton After Jakku, Mon Mothma began a massive demilitarization of the New Republic in an effort to ensure the public that they were not trading one military dictatorship for another. Planet security was to be handled by local government sector defenses only.
Leia knew this was a bad idea, because there were still Imperial sympathizers in the new senate, but she was ultimately dismissed as a warmonger when she objected to demilitarization. After leaving the Senate, she formed the Resistance to stand against the First Order. She was largely ignored by the NR, but a few Senators supported her through info and money. Kind of like a shittier version of the Rebellion, in a shitter trilogy of SW movies.
Hastur, the King in Yellow
Local governements? Cough cough cough, seriously most of them don't have a sufficient defense fleet to stand against even a single ISD and not nearly enough planetary fortifications, additionally most of the ones who do (e.g. Kuat) are imperial sympathizers... Couldn't the new republic scramble a decent police force; considering a few thousand star destroyers mysteriously disappeared (Decent as something with more fighting capabilities than a single fleet or few Xwings).
Speaking of Decent fleets WTF happened to the prominent underworld factions which had modest naval capacity.
no government in their right mind will EVER demilitarize after decades of open conflict like that. Especially with literally millions of factions at play
Can we get a video on the Fel Empire?
Great video, the Legends timeline rules.
A very good video. A few notes though:
Sander Delvardus was an Admiral not a General. He created the title of Superior General after he turned Warlord.
Palpatine's final demise and the fall of the Dark Empire was orchestrated by Carnor Jax and the Imperial Ruling Council which went on to found the short lived Crimson Empire.
The Empire in Canon: Well shit. Pack up your bags boys, we're going home!
Great video Eckhart's Ladder and Templin Institute!!
Imperial dogs with hats are the future of the Empire.
Haha!
So this the legends post endor era ....... 10 times better than canon no question!
AL Elder I could of told you that. The new canon is nothing compared to the old Canon
It's always awesome to see a video on the "Legends" Empire.
Speaking of Empires that deserve sometime in the spotlight. I suggest the Eggman Empire from the Archie Sonic comics for a future video.
zakuboy01
I like Archie, everybody keeps hating it calling it fan fiction for no reason.
Thor's Hammer Most of it likely came from that incoherent sexualized mess that was Riverdale
Revelated Killer0
Or that everyone saids "Everybody is OP." So what even OP characters can make good stories.
Thor's Hammer I never heard anyone say that
Yes! Eck and Templin teaming up!! Woo woo!
Hopefully one day the new canon will be as fleshed out as Legends. Sure there were more than a few duds in the old canon, but overall it told a pretty compelling story.
I think one of Disney's greatest mistakes was ending the Galactic Civil war merely a year after Endor when they knew their new movies would take place several decades later. But hey, at least we are getting more Thrawn (and by Timothy Zahn no less!)
The problem is that disneys entire new cano is a dud. so little of it holds the alure of the old stuff.
Alackofcaring I don't know about that. I think the opening crawl and the end credits were great. Its everything in between I take issues with.
Justafan IV I agree. While I think the Galactic Civil War went on for too long after Endor in Legends, one year just seems too short. I would've rather had the Aftermath trilogy take place over a few years, and maybe the Battle of Jakku could happen 5 years after Endor.
Alackofcaring Agreed, hopefully we just start getting Old Republic and Prequel Era films.
@@ultimatestarwarsgeek7603 5 years seems reasonable
I always love these co-operations/crossovers between all of you people :)
EU >>>>>> Canon in story, realism, tactics, characters, events, cultures, and backstories.
Not completely in story. Having the big villain be the Empire up until the Yuuzhan Vong is pretty boring. They should've done away with the Empire after Thrawn, and Palpatine's resurrection and the Dark Empire shouldn't have been a thing.
Ultimate Star Wars Geek I mean most of it is pretty interesting at least, the Disney Canon post ROTJ is has the NJ both corrupt and inept and a even more incompetent Imperial Remeant all but dominating the galaxy. Respect your opinion anyways.
I mean, Disney canon is doing that too.
@ But they brought back the emperor which is dumb and defeats the point of Anakins ark (and the whole recapturing everything and then losing it as fast because superweapon yo is kinda bs)
This
You're the best Eckhartsladder!
THANK YOU TEMPLIN INSTITUTE FOR INVITING MY FAVORITE UA-camR ON YOUR CHANNEL! We love you Eck!
Yay! Another colabration between my to favorite channels!
Imperial born
Imperial bred
Imperial loyal
'Till Imperial death
Perfect video, thank you very much
I didn't even notice this was a collab with Eckharts until I clicked, but I'm glad it happened.
Now THAT is my star wars lore !!! Legends
Can you guys do a video of the factions of the Mobile Suit Gundam from the One Year War, and other points in the UC timeline.
Well, you know whats next. The Fel Empire needs its own overview/history video.
also, seeing two amazing channels tag team like this is amazing. Hope to see more like this.
I loved the meshed editing style in this video.
it's awesome y'all are ding things together, two great channels!!
These would of been great movies in the 90s. With everything coming to climax about 10 years later. Another trilogy in '92-'98 would of been great
I finish "The Last Command" on Audible and 15 SECONDS later I see this on notifications. Leave me alone THRAWN!!
olavo ps no Thrawn is eternal
Even in death, I will always be with you.
Stalker!
Opinion: This was a more believable depiction of how the Empire fell then the Aftermath trilogy in many, many ways.
Well, the warlords are more realistic, I'll give you that. But the fact that the Empire just kept coming back over and over again was kinda stupid. Warlords make sense, Thrawn is fine, but once you get into Dark Empire stuff, the Empire as a villain gets kinda boring, and it would've been better to move on and kill it after Thrawn.
Ultimate Star Wars Geek Dark Empire was great.
The Joker of Earth-0801 It was stupid and contrived. It was dumb to bring the Emperor back from the dead, and it was just an excuse to revive the Empire one last time for no good reason. There are some concepts from it that are cool, such as the Deep Core fortress worlds, but overall the story didn't need to happen. At best, there could've been a really long New Republic campaign to conquer the Deep Core that was very difficult because of how entrenched these fortress worlds were, but there was no reason the Emperor had to be reborn or another huge Imperial campaign had to happen.
Ultimate Star Wars Geek It was epic and faithful to the characters. The New Republic had been weakened by Thrawn and the Dark Empire had been rebuilding for 6 years with all the remaining warlords united they had the means to take over the Core Worlds, the rest of the Galaxy has been devastated by years of conflict. After the loss of it's capital the New Republic fell apart. For Palpatine's return, well i'm a big fan of lord Sidious so I'm always glad to see more of him but I can understand why others don't. Still it's better than to introduce a new super strong Dark Side user who comes from nowhere, and who is just a taller version of Palpatine with a golden bathrobe.
@@ultimatestarwarsgeek7603 well, now it appears that you would get Palpatine reborn in Episode IX... I wonder how you feel about that...
this is how the civil war should be disney . a 21 yers long struggle not just a simple 6 years war that end with endor and that minor battle of jakku .(yes in legend squal its minor )
LuftWaffe ME 109bf
Agreed
LuftWaffe ME 109bf yes it makes no sense how so many people where loyal to the empire not to fight on and just die after Jakku its more sensible to have years more of conflict and strife
Apparently they were supposed to have burned up their resources and sent most of their firepower to Jakku, even from the remaining loyal worlds.
Chris sonofPear yea it explains that in swb2 campaign but i dont find that near as good as the eu version
Awesome vid. Hope to see more colabs in future.
whuuuuuut collab with two of my favorite chill youtubers
Your background music is some of the best BTW.
Tenplin and Eck are a Great Team-up
The UAC from either doom 3 or 2016 would be a cool video
Great stuff guys keep up the great work!
Damn, Eck's gotten super good.
Hanging out at the Templin Institute. Good times. XD
Disney really said that most of the Empire was defeated 1 year after Endor. They didn't even want to do a bit a work building up some strong lore that could be used for other projects. Like the empire fell apart in one year even though they had thousands of star destroyers around the galaxy. C'monnnnn
Great seeing crossovers. Reminds me of the good old days of channel awesome
Holy shit i just thought of one you guys should do! The SCP foundation!
Virgo v
That's what I have been requesting them to do.
A Suprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
Jesus, isn’t Star wars’s universe just depressing? No peace, ever, everything is just a constant cycle of “empire, Republic, empire, Republic, Yuuzhan Vong, Republic, Empire”. These people are doomed to keep fighting the same wars again and again and again, and these sith lords keep appearing over and over again, with no real reason for it,
God, I’m really depressed now.
Pretty much! With the occasional decade of peace here and there, and then post Caedus period.
Well that's why the Jedi are there. The galaxy keeps going from ying to yang to ying, but they're just trying to balance it out.
You thought the star wars universe was depressing i suggest the universal century era of gundam
The Empires major flaw was the lack of a clear successor.
Palpatines ultimate goal was to achieve Immortality and live forever, so he never set a system of succession in place as he thought he wouldn't need one. Well tough luck, cause he's dead and there's no one to take his place. Who's the guy giving out the orders now?
Best collab, and a wonderful video.
Yes a crossover!
That was an impressive and well presented history lesson.
Post Endor Era is my absolute favourite!
great coorepation! Will you be making a video on the Yuuzong Vong war and the Dark empire?
Who else had this video and the UNCS navy overview and history video on their recommendation?
i really fuckin like this channel so thanks for existing!
Always glad to see this collab and see someone cover the Post-Endor era of Star Wars. Hope to see Eckhartsladder or you, Templin, help out with the current Twin Suns Foundation fundraiser looking to donate Star Wars books to children's hospitals in California and Pittsburg, Pennslyvania later this year. You two would help immensely and give these kids Star Wars content to look forward to. You can learn more here: www.twin-suns.net/donate/holiday-reads-drive-2018
The governments! The collaboration! This is gold!
For the Empire!
Love the video. You guys should do the MCR from The Expanse next? Please!
My two favorite lore channels!
For most of the 1st 2 eras, the events are good & detailed *but* the dark empire story is dumb and completely undermines ROTJ. I mean, palps returning shows no originality.
What it does do, is underline his character completely. Palpathine was obsessed with eternal life and never failing, and he was one of the most powerful Sith to have ever lived. That he would have a back-up plan that invovled him RETURNING TO LIFE FROM BEING KILLED is 100% what he would do, instead canon got us an absurd rage-quit of "I can't have it, so fuck all of you" and that the one thing I hate the most about Disney. They have no idea how to do any characters properly. EVERY CHARACTER they inherited from Star Wars they have pissed on. Every single one.
At least in "legends" Palapthine stayed true to himself. Nothing was 'undermined' by his return, because Vader was still dead, the Death Stars were gone, the Empire was fractured and a considerably more realistic war was waged for decades to establish dominance in the massive power-vacuum.
I tend to agree with that. Also, nothing had been said about the Chosen One or the prophecy at this point. Sand saving Luke still dooms Palpatine ultimately.
Terenin I respect your point, but after all the NR's success, instead of continuing that story with them being the main government and having to deal with a more insurgent empire like perhaps an annaihalation of the senate building, or a fleet defection that would pose a NEW threat without undermining the last years of the story and all the NR's accomplishments. Honestly, I think death should be the end, or at very least the new palps would have been weaker and have to rely on others. Also any story like this shouldn't have the empire do so successfully. Thrawn was a better tactition and even he didn't recapture the core. Palps had a good scheming mind, but awful tactics
Overwhelming force is also a tactic. Palps re-united the majority of the fractured Empire and the fleet gathered at Byss was a monumental behemoth, easily the single largest Imperial force gathered together there ever was. He had several dozen dreadnought-size vessels and thousands of ISD's, not to mention hundreds of thousands of support vessels like Victory's, Strike Cruisers, Dreadnought-Cruisers (I know, naming scheme yikes) Lancer frigates and so much more. Thrawn had to use what he had. Palps had an immense armada that struck with massive force everywhere at once. He ran them over, but later as he had to take more andm ore space he spread them to thin. It's a classic tale, and honestly a rather realistic one far as military force goes.
Boy this didn't age too well....
Thanks I really enjoyed this
"Legends" will always remain the true canon for me. Disney has forever butchered Star Wars, and it's good seeing them scramble about in the filth they created.
Would that filth happen to be the billions of dollars they've already made from these movies?
And yes, before you say it, I know Solo severely under-performed, but their other movies have made them huge amounts of profit. If you consider that profit to be the filth that they scramble around in, I wouldn't say it's so bad for them.
Not exactly. What I am referring to is Disney/Lucasfilm's horrendous PR handling of the ever growing backlash that they have been facing from a divided fandom. With rumors that Kathleen Kennedy will be "stepping down", future Star Wars film productions being put on hold, internal disputes, and Solo's flop (under-performed is putting it lightly, I think), Disney has a clear problem on their hands.
Solo seems to be a turning point. Many fans have gradually expressed their growing discontent with each movie released and it all ended with many of them speaking with their wallets once Solo made its debut. It doesn't help when the people who work on these movies mock and insult the fans with obviously paid "articles" parroting the same insults. If this trend continues, then we can possibly see future SWs movies earning less and less.
Sir Smite I'm not watching Episode IX But, I hope they learn from the lack of money and fire those in charge. Then we can possibly get Old Republic films, cool video games, and more Prequel content (spin offs, games, books).
I love operation Esperanza initiative. I hope it will have a great success.
The imperial remnant (under Pallaeon) > every imperial government post Endor
Great Video!
Got my boi Eckhart on here? sweet.
It's interesting how these different faction in the warlord's phone during the Warhammer 40K universe against War Boss from like Orks at still yeah dancing like that
yo lengends bro. the best version of SW
So basically any one of these stories would have made a better movie than the Force Awakens
If you guys are still looking for people to do the dossier videos on I would recommend George Hammond from Stargate. His level headedness and ability to juggle the men and women under his command is almost Picard-like
Thank you!
This is all awesome, but can you tell me which SW books these eras take place in?
Era 1:
The Truce At Bakura
X-Wing: Rogue Squadron
X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble
X-Wing: The Krytos Trap
X-Wing: The Bacta War
X-Wing: Wraith Squadron
X-Wing: Iron Fist
X-Wing: Solo Command
The Courtship Of Princess Leia
Era 2:
Heir To The Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command
X-Wing: Isard's Revenge
Era 3:
Dark Empire
Dark Empire II
Empire's End
Era 4:
Jedi Search
Dark Apprentice
Champions Of The Force
Children Of The Jedi
Darksaber
Planet Of Twilight
Specter Of The Past
Vision Of The Future
This vid was absolutely awesome :-)
apologize for obvious reference, but what if Palpatine decided to create 20 sons-clones, who will command 20 legions of...
Eli Smirnov he’ll just take over one and the rest will hide till that clone dies and he’ll just take over another one
OMG The Livestream is on my 17th Birthday!!!!!!!
Are you guys have plans to do Belka and other strangereal nations at some point in the future?
very good music choice
Can I just say that it is so refreshing to hear legends instead of the BS Disney has been making. I consider this canon and Disney as fan fiction
I would ship eckhartsladder and templin institute!! 😍
Who else was a subscriber to both and watched each video back to back?
*I came to support Eckhart because I ❤️ doge*
Hey Templin, when are you guys going to launch another Neutral Zone episode? Maybe get all of you guys together and talk to Daniel about how the production of his series is going.
No mention of the Orinda campaign a.k.a. "The last Imperial offensive " under command of Pelleon?
This is so sad up until the part I came back. Sadly I died again :(
Please consider doing Bromley Marks, from the movie 'Daybreakers'.