Daemon and Rhaenyra arguing with Alicent hightower l Rhaenyra Targaryen l Daemon Targaryen l
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- Daemon and Rhaenyra at kingslanding with Alicent hightower l Rhaenyra Targaryen l Daemon Targaryen l House Of The Dragon Episode 8 l
The way Daemon refuses to stand when Alicent enters the room AND calls her by her first name instead of "your grace" .
There are rumours he f... her so I guess why bother in formalities 😅😅
He didn’t stand bc the actor who played him had been in an accident and his back was hurtiny
@@Emy-fv5nythose rumours aren't true.
@@EhahedahYet literally stood 30 seconds afterwards lmao.
He does the same with Otto. Though, he rightfully calls viserys by his title along with all the etiquette that goes with it. A subtle thing to notice, but it shows his character pretty well. A neat detail. I always appreciate when films do that
I love how Rhaenyra puts her hand on her baby bump when Alicent greets them, as if to show that she thinks Alicent may be capable of harming her baby after her fit of rage the last time they saw each other.
Rhaenyra tried to torture Alicent's kid.
@@masterplokoon8803 Yeah ik that already. Weren't right but she went too far herself.
@@masterplokoon8803 when? I don’t remember that scene
Nahhh you missed it. Alicent was eyeing up rhaenyras arm and stab mark. Soon as the princess realized she changed the angle and hid that move with the baby bump
@@MegaBond101 after Aemond lost his eye Rhaenyra asked for him to be tortured for telling the truth about her children's parentage.
If you notice Daemon never stands for Alicent. He’s the smartest character in this show/book. He knew from day one the HighTowers were a threat to his family. Viserys was a fool for not listening to Daemon when he warned him about Otto. In the book when Daemon got a letter from a messenger about Viserys marrying Alicent. He was so pissed that his brother was marrying the daughter of his family’s enemy. He had the messenger whipped so many times he almost killed him.
🤡
i hate that
I think Viserys realized Daemon was right but it was too late.
Rhaenyra is the threat to the family she literally wants to install bastard strongs on the throne at least Aegon II is a true born Targaryen are you all drunk or high or something why does everyone forget that fact so easily.
@@draco9513 ????
Daemon's reaction in 1:08 is priceless😂
Right, also at 0:42😂
Honestly their BOTH killing me with their grunts & groans everytime she says something they think is bullshit 😂😂💀 like plsss stop im just trying to watch
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko8491:05 that sound rhaenyra made 😂😂
Love how Daemon takes no shit from Alicent
Daemon didn't care to visit his old sickly brother for 6 years despite living so close to him, and only showed up to use Viserys' authority to clean up his political messes and then has the gal to insult the person who has actually been taking care of Viserys for years through his illness and trying to reduce his suffering.
alicent gave him no shit so no need
Alicent so wishes she could've had Daemon.
@@maestroclassico5801 what? no. she hates daemon for being a cruel rulebreaking dickhead.
she ate him the fuck up and ur mad
The way he daemon makes it clear “why is religion replacing our dragons?? Those are our dragons, the symbol of our house, why would you remove those? Just cause my brother is sick? Bullshit
@@backtree0075 Which the High Septon in old town was more than happy about. This coming war is less about rooted in a dynastic struggle than it is the High Septon and faith (and it's followers) getting back at that the Targaryens for the conquest. Yes the Hightowers are the instigators but who's pulling their strings?
I think the behind the scenes of this episode talks about Alicent becoming a guilt ridden mess these past few years and seeking out religon as for atonement of all the shady shit she's dealing with.
@@Not-Ap and the maesters
Because religion is a much more efective way to manipulate the masses than dragons. Just look what the Shepheard and the High Sparrow did.
When Targaryen traditions are incest, bestiality, and blood sacrifice, I think it’s fair to replace it with a religion that isn’t as bad.
Alicent: It's been so long since we were granted the joy of your presence.
Rhaenyra: Indeed, your grace.
The joy of slashing her arm open that is
@@Heeem13 Aemond lost a fucking eye
She attacked a adult at at least, not Luke, not a child. Not like they are going to kill Jaehaerys instead of Aemond.
@@analauramorelrocha2383 Aemond was ready to smash the skull of a defenseless boy, even after everyone backed off of him.
@@BleedingGrafitti They didn't back off on him, lol. They just attempted to kill him with a knife, Aemond then temporarily disarmed one of them and the other was already scrambling to retrieve the knife to attack again. If I was in a room with a bunch of kids who are willing to kill me with a knife I would try to knock them out with a rock too, wich is all that Aemond did.
I get where Rhaenyra and Daemon were coming from, but it was their choice to be away from Viserys to be left with the Greens. They should've stayed to look out for him and protect their place. I genuinely don't believe Alicent poisoned Viserys, but she was left to care for him, and their kids, and run the show. She is getting controlled by her own side and doesn't get support from the others, it's a shitty situation. I'm glad Rhaenyra gave her the credit she deserved during their toast.
She was the heir apparent, who traditionally was supposed to reside on Dragonstone until the king passes, Jahaerys and Alyssane lived their before Maegor passed away. Also the living in the red keep was causing friction between her and her step siblings. Daemon was mad at his brother for repeatedly being blocked from positions of authority within the court and being forced into a marriage did not like. Daemon at this time had children with Laena Velaryon so he busy helping raise them on their island. He also had children with Rhaynyra that he was also rasing so he and she were fairly busy at this point. There's Laenor's/Harwins kids who they also were raising on top of all that.
@@Not-Ap the dragonstone heir need not dwell on dragonstone. Aemon and Baelon for example lived at court along with the king. Jaehaerys and Alyssane lived on Dragonstone because they were hostages of Viserya.
Rhaenyra as heiress could indeed live in King's Landing, whether Alicent liked it or not. Rhaenyra and Daemon could take their children to live in the red keep, just as other lords do. They had dragons could go visit Viserys and come back the same day. I like them, but there's no justification for going 6 years without seeing Viserys. Does that mean their hatred for the Hightowers is greater than their love for Viserys?
@@Not-Ap she was in King's Landing when it suited her when she was already the heir. And the prince of Dragonstone is not forced to live on Dragonstone, they can leave a castellan there to run things for them while they are away.
@@Not-Apfirst of all they are her half siblings, not step siblings. Second of all if she wanted to be the heir she needed to put in the work. She couldn’t do that at Dragonstone. And third, she was getting called out on her BS so she ran.
@@Not-Ap Traditionally yes, but they had the choice to stay in the Red Keep if they wanted and Rhaenyra definitely should've done that if she wanted to protect her right. She never helped her father and defied him often, while Alicent cared for him. If R and D were worried about the Hightowers poisoning Viserys, they shouldn't have left him.
“I love my father and brother so much,I’m just not gonna visit him whatsoever” Daemon and Rhaenyra mindset.
They are miles aways, also Viserys kind of dig his own grave when he married Alicent.
@@Emy-fv5ny Alicent is not at fault here,Otto is cause he installed a unfounded in Alicent for Rhaenyra and that’s a shame cause they were good friends. But now everything is different as SOON as Viserys died and breathed his last breath,Otto took over and basically made everything worse. She maybe the Queen but she did nothing when they wanted to put Aegon on the throne and not the heir that Viserys chose. It really is a shame,cause now Lucerys got eaten alive and theres nothing to be done that can reverse that. It’s now just gonna be Fire and Blood.
@@Emy-fv5ny Dragonstone is pretty close to King's Landing and on dragonback the trip is even quicker.
@@masterplokoon8803 She forgot she has a dragon🙄 Maybe she thought her father was being properly care. How would she know he was probably being poisoned. Also isn't the council duty to notify the heir to throne about the health of the king? 🤔
@@Emy-fv5ny she didn't bother to visit him for 6 years and the last time she saw him he was literally losing limbs it's not hard to guess that he would get worse. And it's not the council's job to remind her that she should visit her dad once in a while she should want to do that herself. Lmao who poisoned him? The treatment that Grandmaester Orwyle gave him actually prolonged his life. She lives so close to him yet not even a small visit for 6 years.
acting masterclass all 3 of them this scene was delicious
Alicent was in the right here. Daemon and Rhaenyra chose to leave and she was the only one who was there when Viserys needed care
of course, she was his queen consort, Rhaenyra was the heir and if you follow the book's explanation, she was exiled for marrying Daemon. In addition to the heir having to reside in Dragonstone.
@@alyruch The heir doesn't have to reside in Dragonstone. Nothing stopped her from appointing a castellan and remaining in King's Landing. In the book, she has to stay in Dragonstone because of the tensions between her children and those of Alicent. Soon after, she marries Daemon, probably because she is already pregnant by him. In the show, she leaves the capital because she can no longer face her own mistakes.
because it was her duty not because she cared enough for him and her father is there to order her around so its not like she’s doing it out of the goodness of her heart.
@@justkidding69 Whatever the reason : she does it ! While Rhaenyra stays hidden in Dragonstone eating cakes.
alicent didn’t even take care of him… she just wanted her r/pist son on the throne
It's obviously a misunderstanding. They all loved Viserys and none of them, not even Daemon at that point, wanted all out war. If they were able to communicate and work together, things may have worked out. Otto just kept on dividing the realm and the family for his own gain. He's the true enemy.
Daemon did want all out war, he'd been planning it for years
After Viserys made Rhaenyra is official heir he made a point of seducing her.
The trip to the brothel was planned by Daemon.
He lured her out and as they approached the brothel _he deliberately removed her hat_ so that she would be recognized.
When the scandal broke, he was hoping that Viserys would rush marry him to Rhaenyra to hush up the scandal, instead Viserys was pissed.
The whole point of this plot is for Daemon to marry Rhaenyra (Viserys named heir) and get one step closer to his real objective, the Iron Throne.
There was also an element of grooming. The book said he would flatter and give her presents from a young age, with some accounts going so far to say he slept with her
Do you notice in the brothel, he kissed her and then stopped?
This was to awaken her lust and leave her wanting for more. This was in service to his long term goals
It also explains why he was so furious when after Viserys died, Rhaenyra showed reluctance to start the war and he choked her
I think his plan was to eliminate all of Viserys sons, crown Rhaenyra and then quietly eliminate her Strong bastards in a series of unfortunate 'accidents' leaving his own sons to inherit.
So yes, Daemon was planning for the war for a long time.
@@gerardjagroo Daemon didn’t want the throne. And he loved Rhaenyra.
@@gerardjagrooeverything you just said is false while the book did state that, he never outright wanted the iron throne he’s a rogue
@@thatguySmitty234 the book stated that he did want the throne and he was always cold and had resentment towards Alicent's sons because they put him further down in the line of sucession.
And that’s why he’s remembered as one of the worst Hands in their history.
This point in the Targeryan history is so intresting because this again is an example of the faith trying to quietly remove the Targareyns from the iron throne and this is exactly why Maegor tried to cut off the hands of the faith when he did. Daemon sees this again and would greatfully be a second Maegor if it ment removing the Hightowers from court permanently and putting the faith under the heel of the dragon dynasty ensuring the house of the dragon stayed strong and the iron throne under their asses for the next 200yrs. Daemon and Maegor were the Dragons needed to keep Jaherys peace.
EXACTLY. Not many people realise that. You can trace the root of every conflict back to the Citadel and oldtown
@@merykhan97
Weren't they the only ones, alongside King Torren Stark, that peacefully submitted to Aegon?😅
Not true. Maegor saw the Faith as a Threat cause the Andals and First Men don't like siblings getting married, or Polygamous marriages.
The Faith could've removed the Targaryens from the Throne a long time ago. Tne fact that House Targaryen lasted for 3 centuries despite the Faith of the Seven and Oldtown as a whole still existing should say enough
Maegor was NOT what House Targaryen needed. The only good thing he did was order the Dragonpit be built, that's it. Jaehaerys stopped the Faith. How? By making a deal. He respected their customs, they respect Valyrian customs, and no more polygamous marriages. No one else had to die. Jaehaerys named one of the Faith Militant as part of his own Kingsguard, which says a lot
The Hightowers weren't the villains during the Conquest either, the Targaryens visited Oldtown before Aegon's Conquest (Aegon and Visenya did) and when he finally came back after the rest of Westeros save for Dorne bent the knee, guess what?
Oldtown opened its gates, the Hightowers welcomed them in, and the High Septon anointed Aegon as the true King of the 7 Kingdoms. The High-King of Westeros
And since when has oppressing people and not allowing them to practice their faith a bad thing? Half of the Targaryen kings practiced the Faith of the Seven as well, so... what's the main issue here? 😅
Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron are Targaryens you know? And neither Aegon nor Aemond seem to care much about the faith of the seven. House Targaryen would still be on the throne and dragons would still rule Westeros. And within one ir two generations any Hightower influence on the throne would be gone. And Maegor start a war with the faith that resulted in nothing but in thousands of dead, guerrilla warfare throughout the kingdom waged by the faith and a ruined realm with a massive financial debt. Jahaerys didn't benefit much from his uncle's reign, he actively had to fix the crap that he did.
@@thalmoragent9344actually maegor was needed to be the monster and to show what house Targaryen was truly capable maegor was left to clean up his weak brothers decision because aenys went against the faith and started a war when he married his son and daughter and this was against what aegon the conqueror had promised visenya could see this war starting from a mile a way and begged him to do something and aenys refused to take action and house Targaryen would’ve died before it ever begun maegor loved his brother that’s why he didn’t kill him when he could clearly have and visenya no doubt left aenys alive out of love and respect to her sister rhaenys and aegon. The moment aenys died is when visenya brought maegor out of exile to fix his mess cause I highly doubt the faith would’ve accepted aenys son and daughter as king and queen since that was the problem that the war started on in the first place. Was maegor cruel and ruthless yes though I doubt he was as bad as everyone made him out to be. He was the monster to pave the way for jaehaerys yes maegor killed any potential threat to his claim at that time but left jaehaerys and alysanne alive on dragonstone.
Out of all honesty Rhaenyra and Daemon are rather unnecessarily rude and presumptuous here. And to be honest what do they expect? Thay have not been in Kings Landing in years. They left on their own accord and left the Hightowers with the job of tending to the kingdom. If they were concerned with decorum and influence why did they leave in the first place? And Viserys is very sick. What was Alicent supposed to do? Let him suffer and rot away without at least trying to ease his pain? Their priorities should be Viserys and Luke's inheritance not how the Red Keep in decorated.
I love how alicent just ignored what they were saying like i am above your standards so i won't even answer you
They were trying playing games with her and she kept centred and straight forward.
I love alicent to death
Me too!
No one is asking, why it took Daemon or his wife 6yrs to come and see Viserys?!
6 long fucking years, when it only takes a few hours for them to visit on dragon back? Daemon knew his brother was sick. But didn’t come see the very same brother he claimed to love?!
Finally I have been asking myself that question
Finally I have been asking myself that question
@@aishahamma334 they knew he was sick. I don’t think Daemon really loved his brother. More like he loved what his brother could do for him and allow him to get away with.
10 yeaaaaars and not once you have named me your hand that must have been one of the reasons
@@kimberlyplatt2382Nah, he loved him. Daemon was making a point. He was exiled after marrying Laena. It got worse when he abruptly married Rhaenyra. I think part of Daemon has him feeling that since he wanted these people around and trusted them more than his own brother...have at it! Like, say what you want but everything Daemon was worried about happens. They were plotting the entire time and a war starts because of it.
After everything Daemon is vindicated. He doesn't start a thing. They do. Even the first kill wasn't by his hand though it's clear he wanted it to be.
I can’t believe they were mad Viserys was given something to take the pain away. Gone for years, never visiting despite having dragons they can fly back and forth, and then back to complain. It’s genuinely baffling how dumb Rhaenyra was.
Have been in the situation of having a non helpful family member complain. I got so angry watching this. If she loves her father so much, she should have been there helping!
Yeah but I can imagine this was hard to do since you know Alicent tried to take Luce’s eye and all. Plus in the books Viserys didn’t want Rhaenyra to know how bad his condition got. It was one of the reason she was horrified when she did see him, he deliberately kept away
@@ucky9675 she has a dragon. She should could have come by herself and left her kids at home. What kind of heir doesn’t visit like at least once a year?
@@likeaboxofchocolates Coming alone to visit in a den of vipers sounds like an easy way for an 'accident' to happen.
@@withxoutxlife so basically leave your father to fuck off ok.
1:08 I love how Daemon loves his family and doesn’t understand how the symbol of the Targaryens are not in the whole castle
Daemon only loves his family that side with Princess Rhaenyra and her blacks. He has absolutely no love for Queen Alicent and her children. Even if Rhaenyra were to have a peaceful ascension, the rogue prince would probably want to put Alicent and his nephews and niece to death either way.
He does not love his family, he loves power and legacy that comes with the Targaryen name. Also, Hightowers were always devoted to 7, more than any other house, it represented also them and their will.
@@gentleheart7107if one thing about daemon is certain, is that he does love his family and brother
@@gentleheart7107No, Daemon loves his family. Do you know how many opportunities Daemon had to take King's Landing and Viserys place, if he wanted? Who would challenge him? Younger Daemon was able and battle ready on.the back of a dragon that had known war. Daemon allowed himself to be exiled by Viserys with no pushback. He allowed to have his title as heir taken, with really no pushback. Corlys is ambitious, how much prodding would it take for arrange a marriage between Daemon and Laena? Something that happens anyway. This gives the Velaryon fleet, Meleys, Seasmoke...and Vhagar. So yeah...Daemon could've wiped them out easily but he never did. He'd never betray his brother that way because he actually loved him. That loved wasn't based on what he could gain, it was just love.
@garlantyrell6368 Wrong. Daemon at the age of 20 gathered knights to fight for Viserys' claim. This was what led to the great council at the beginning of the show
It's always the people that never move a finger the ones that have a lot to say about how the ones living it have to deal with it.
Yeah. That’s why both Rhaenyra and Daemon were quite annoying.
I gotta give this one to Alicent even tho i dont like either side, they were absent for a decade, and even knowing Viserys was already fucked they didnt care untill they needed him.
Daemon saying “various statues and stars”, would be like a real medieval prince saying “why are there all these crosses?”.
Daemon is so non-religious that he doesn’t even recognize the seven pointed star of the Faith of the Seven. 😂
The Targaryens still probably carry their own latent "Valyrianisms" to see that the Andals and their Seven as foreign subjects
Yeah well the Targaryens are not Andals. Jaehaerys tried to make that clear in his reign. Targaryen culture and religion is closer to that of classical polytheistic Roman religion which directly at odds with Christianity which is Faith of Sevens real world parallel.
Don't you just love it when people got so into the story of a series they really try hard to defend and justify their chosen team? Idk it just seems wild to me people can be so invested into a movie series. Love it
because these are real-life concepts that are being displayed on TV shows and movies, and people have their beliefs.
I lose brain cells whenever someone is like "it's just a show, it's not real, who cares"
@@pepperdayjackpac4521
Facts. The way you think will show its face when it comes to a show or movie, and even specific characters across other forms of media that you have strong opinions on.
Why do football fans go crazy when their teams win or loose? It's all part of the fun!
I can't stand Daemon, i just can't. Miserable hypocrite who went to play the good brother at the last minute and on top of that to belittle Alicent who was the only one who was taking care of a husband who never cared for her or their children, and Alicent is supposed to be the bad guy in the story. I don't understand how Rhaenyra can be with him, he's a pain in the ass. (And yes, I can understand the criticism of Rhaenyra too, but she's not by far as shitty as him). I clarify that I am talking about their versions for the show, because I have not yet read the book. Anyway, I wish Rhaenyra had fed that wretch to her dragon. Poor Alicent, she deserved so much more than to be everyone's chess piece, i love her so much ❤
speak !
Viserys exiled him. Twice. He can’t play much of anything when he’s dismissed outright and after he married Rhaenyra she appropriately took priority. Alicent is said by Olivia Cooke herself to not truly respect Viserys as her king - he was a means to an end for the Hightowers and you’re incorrect otherwise. Alicent did her “duty” as orchestrated by her father but there was no love in it, moreso bubbling resentment now overflowing of which Rhaenyra has become the object.
alicent fan = red flag alert
It's laughable to hear Alicent apologists insist she isn't knowingly complicit in any of her father's machinations after watching this scene.
the only thing this scene proves is that Daemon and Rhaenyra are arrogant, clueless morons who never visisted Viserys once but have the gall to accuse the woman who has taken care of him for years for giving him painkillers he clearly needs in his condition.
@@pg1448They're not doing it for his own sake they're doing it so they can maintain power.
Otto never cared about Viserys he cared about power, and to add onto that the maesters are Hightower loyalists.
@@thegreatid3595For his sake or not she still took care of him
To be fair to Alicent, i dont think shes lying about giving the king pain killers. Hes literally falling apart and Alicent does have some affection for him
She was truly a wonderful wife to him in the end. She tended to him constantly and had most of his needs met herself when she could have gotten the servants to do it for her.
Alicent gets the double kill.
Rhaenyra's eyes are so full of resentment that it's impossible not to notice.
Alicent would say some shit like "I'll pray for you"
quiet atheist
@@-_-ligma Lol, not just me my dude. Daemon obviously wasn't pleased at having their dragons replaced with religious iconography.
@@-_-ligma I am not an atheist and even I think that Alicent would pull this sort of bullshit because it is rather obvious that this open show of piety was only to make herself look better in the eyes of the kingdom.
Excellent. More real tension in this one scene than in two entire seasons of the Waste (Wheel) of Time on Prime…
And Rings of power
Lmao Daemon should shut up fr, Alicent has been taking care of Viserys since her teenage years while Rhaenyra and Daemon flout on as they wish, Daemon should be thanking Alicent.
Fr tho
It wasn’t about that yes alicent may have cared for visery’s but she is slowly sowing her seeds in the castle getting rid of the Targaryen symbol and rhaeynera and daemon left because it wasn’t safe for her children to be in the kingdom and this should have been a huge red flag to visery’s.
Except the fine line between “taking care of” and “taking advantage of” him being indisposed cuz he’s drugged up on milk of the poppy.
So what, should they leave him to be in pain for years? You saw how he was groaning all the time in ep 8, he obviously needs milk of the poppy
Yeah they piss me off so much, self righteous assholes that they are. All their lives both of them have been a nuisance to their father/brother, they let him rot away while being on vacation on Dragonstone, show up once in 5 years when they need some favours from him and have the nerve to judge Alicent who takes care of him for years for putting up symbols of her faith and easing her husbands pain.
I love the fact that Daemon and Rhenerya make very good points, but their arguments are completely undermined by refusing to visit for years and bitching about everything that changed when they could have stayed and had some say. What it have been throughly uncomfortable? Yeah, that’s what happens when you live with family, it’s uncomfortable. But they would have had the right to bitch, and would have had the moral high ground. Taken in context the fact that Otto Hightower is a monster and these two are incredibly charismatic is the only reason I was on their side.
You forgot why they left, didn't you? Remember what happened to Lord strong and his son at Harenhal? Rhenira knew they weren't safe in King's landing anymore, so they left. Alicent and Larys Strong were involved in this.
@@hodic1562 Rhaenyra has no idea who killed Harwin and Lyonel, and Alicent had no part in the murder anyway and was horrified when she learned.
@@masterplokoon8803 She did suspect Hightowers were involved. Also Alicent made a deal with Larys to get rid of the problem. She just didn't expect him to do what he did.-being him freing prisoners from the red keep in exchange for them burning the other 2 Strong
@@hodic1562 no she didn't suspect Alicent she herself later says that Alicent wouldn't be capable of murder. And Alicent was complaining that she missed her father she didn't make any deal with Larys to get rid of Lyonel. Larys himself chose to kill his family.
@@hodic1562 She didn't order anything. She was just venting.
The audacity to complain when they didn't even visit Viserys for years🤡
the picks mes don’t do well with facts shush ur gonna make them cry
IKR
yes queen 👑 💚
I can really feel Alicent’s exhaustion for dealing with Daemon and Rhaernya bullshit😅
More like daemon and rhaenyra dealing with alicent's bullshit
@@laza0202 yeah no…
@@laza0202 what is alicent's bullshit?
@@XiaoZhanTaipeihow is she taking her throne, daemon and rhaenyra ran to dragonstone for safety in my hiding their secrets . alicent has no power at all she just simply there in trying to make sure their isn’t a massacre. her father the one in power in shadow no take real order from teh queen cause she is a women. if rhaenyra really wnated her throne she would’ve fought harder for she only relying on her father cause she know she only has is word and support cause he is the king but once it gone it’s a fair game doesn’t matter weather she is the heir if someone has the power to take her place on throne they’re going for it
@@XiaoZhanTaipei Then Rhaenyra should have stayed in KL in order to keep it
Daemon was so sassy in this scene, I loved it!!!
"King Viserys conditioned worsened since you saw him last"
"Ha!"
"On the advice of the Maesters"
"Ah, the maesters.."
Daemon and Rhaenyra remain undefeated in scoffs. 🤣🤣
Yeah and undefeated ignorant lazy bees who sit on their asses and do nothing but complain about the people who are actually getting things done.
I love how Daemon is so insulted about how House Targaryen's banners and heraldry have all been replaced by signs of the Faith and doesn't even bother calling Alicent "Your Grace" when addressing her
You know in scenes like this Daemon reminds me a bit of Matt Smith's other character.... Prince Phillip from THE CROWN
The audacity of the two of them to question her like that! They both are insufferable! I cannot stand the look of them nor the sound of their constant whining and lying.
The clement and honorable queen handled that with grace and dignity.
honorable queen alright...
Ah right the milk of poppy, honourable queen... we know what she did she is nothing but cruel
She’s so honorable with Larys Strong
@@necta1520Alicent might not be honorable at all but you cannot deny that she was a pretty good wife for Viserys. She took care of him since day 1: helping him to bed, fetching him his meals, and giving him hot baths by herself without any servants whenever he needed one.
@@scarletwizard5451 Alicent might not be honorable at all but you cannot deny that she was a pretty good wife for Viserys. She took care of him since day 1: helping him to bed, fetching him his meals, and giving him hot baths by herself without any servants whenever he needed one.
Scene was satisfying tbh. Daemon and Rhaenyra really are entitled lol. They desert for years, not returning to care for the health of their brother and father whom they know very well is dying. And then come back to lecture Alicent for not letting Viserys endure excruciating pain. Who are these people
Fr. They were gone for a decade & came back with the audacity to criticize those who actually cared for the King during that time
finally someone with common sense... Alicent is and has always been a victim of unfairness yet everyone keeps acting like she's freaking Cersei or something.
@@cantthinkofsomething150 -She poisoned viserys
-she abused her power to gain strengh
-She bullied Rhaenyra and her SONS and a baby
Yes she is cersei in training
@@scarletwizard5451''poisoned'' LMAO countless times its been stated that milk of the poppy is that time's morphine and the other 2 is literally bullshit
@@scarletwizard5451you must be mentaly suck NOTHING INDICATED POISONING to call milk of the poppy poison is to call anaesthesia poison for surgery
Rhaenyra and Daemon should never have left Kings Landing, they should have sent Otto away and Alicent to become a septa,
This king should have handed power over to Rhaenyra and sat in the shadows to see who would try to rebel or make war when all he wanted was peace
Sigma Allicent
Alicent has giant balls to confront them both solo.
Alicent is the one taking care of him whil Daemon and Rhaenyra sit on their asses in Dragonstone doing nothing. They claim to love Viserys but they didn't give a shit aboht his health for 6 years? They only came back when they stood to lose Driftmark. Kudos to Alicent for giving it back to them here👏👏
I honestly would not surprise me if we find out Hightowers were poisoning Viserys the whole time.
Sadly they didn’t. But it didn’t stop them from abusing the power in their charge while is unwell. So they didn’t poison but honestly they took advantage of his illness for their own gains
@samparrish4870 I dont care for the Blacks all that much, but I like them way better than the Greens, because I hate the Hightowers and their plotting and scheming. Although the Hightowers do keep their lands and titles after the Dance so perhaps there will be some Hightowers we haven't seen that are going to be loyal to Rhaenrya? Or they get pardoned by Aegon III.
Not the Hightowers... the maesters! He sits on a thrown of swords. It's not hard to lace some of those stray blades with some nasty common disease and make it look like a accident. Of the Higtowers, Maesters, and High Septon are all in kahoots with each other anyway so that helps.
Does Rhaeynra and Daemon ever express guilt or remorse for anything before this episode? From their perspective, are they blameless for every action they’ve committed?
No they do not. It's terrible isn't it? Especially Daemon doesn't express guilt or remorse. Daemon is written a bit sociopathic. Very charming, very emotionally immature, shows no remorse or guilt, selfish, low in empathy. In show canon he must be around 50 years old.
Rhaenyra has narcissistic traits. Most normal teenagers would have celebrated their little siblings birthday/nameday, but she didn't even want to leave tge carriage, because no one was there for her. She gaslighted Alicent in Ep 7. She lies as well. First she says it was an accident, then that they were attacked and forced to defend themselfs, then she makes it seem as if Aemond activly went out of his way to go to Luce and Jace and call then bastards and that he commited the highest of treasons, then she asked for her little brother to be tortured. And after lying and asking for an injured child to be tortured Alicent loses it, she flips it around "now they see you as you are". But she is the person causing Alicents reaction. It's textbook gaslighting.
So I don't think they actually feel remorse or guilt much.
The girl deserts the capital so as not to take responsibility for her mistakes, does not hear from her father for years, returns only to ask him for an additional favor and comes to accuse the Hightowers of taking advantage of the king's illness even though they have assumed all responsibilities for six years while she, a sweet, privileged princess, sat for years on her island doing nothing.
1.Alicent explicitly poisoned Viserys. That's written by pro-green Maesters in the book itself. It isn't up for debate either.
2.Neither Rhaenyra or Daemon know how bad his condition actually is because Viserys explicitly forbids everyone from telling them.
3.Rhaenyra specifically says in both the show and the book that she can't stay here without risking her children ending up dead. The greens make it BLATANTLY apparent how hostile they are towards them.
Please actually read the material before bullshitting.
@@sindieltaylor2147 Alicent poisoning Viserys is presented as a rumor, and it is stated that it is most likely unfounded. You can be pro-Black without making it up. Even Rhaenyra gives no credence to this rumor. The king died of illness.
Rhaenyra doesn't know what her father's true condition is, but I don't see how that changes what I said. She doesn't visit him for years, that's a fact.
In the book, it is Viserys who decides to separate the Greens and the Blacks. In the show, there is no real threat from the Greens against Rhaenyra's children. As long as Viserys is alive, this has no chance of happening.
@@sindieltaylor2147 This isn't the book, this is the show. They are two very different things.
After the eye incident Rhaenyra did the right thing to leave a place where her sons would be constantly in danger. Alicent sons were wild enough. It's better to live in peace then be miserable in KL. Her sons would be constantly at risk of being called bastards
@@daesgatling1345 Alicent didn't actually poison Viserys in the book, it was just a rumour with no proof made by someone who wasn't even in capital when Viserys died and who was a suporter of Rhaenyra and had a habit of making up or exagerating scandals. Plus Alicent had no motive whatsoever to poison a man that was already dying anyway. Also the book wasn't written by pro-green maesters, it has green, black and neutral perspectives. By the way the person that you responded to just goes around pretending to have read the book while making stuff up about it. Anyone who read the books can easily see that she didn't actually read it.
Mind you all she said was hello lmao these two would be the worst rulers
Aegon IV, the Unworthy was the combination of the worst traits of his grandparents Rhaenyra and Daemon (he was the eldest son of Viserys II and Larra Rogare).
They are both the biggest losers😂😂😂 Daemon and Rhaenyra are 🤡
Yal notice when alicent was eyeing up her dirty work on rhaenyras arm?!? 😂 the princess was like oh no you see this babyyy instead.
The way Alicent gagged these two petty beeches 😭
Really love daemons attitude towards Alicent he knows she’s bullshiting whatever excuse she comes up with. In the end daemon was always right his brothers weakness is what caused his own hand to have him drugged up while his wife assumes control of his throne.
then Rhaenyra and Daemon shouldn’t have neglected Viscerys for years on Dragonstone while he was slowly decaying. who else would’ve looked after him?
@@niloticnyaViserys is the king with resources and medical care the smallfolk could only dream about. He's not a child, he could've visited her as well.
@@TJ-fe7rr did you not see Viserys? And not for nothing Rhaenyra and Daemon are dragon riders. It wouldn’t take that long to go from Dragonstone to KL.
You have never seen someone gravely ill slowly dying right? I did. You give them everything you can just to take their pain away a little bit.
Btw he has a form of leprosy. This means his nerves in various parts are dying. And nerve pain is hell!
Yet the reason they are trying to increase their influence is because of the danger Daemon and by extension Rhaenyra represent. Daemons made it clear he’s not afraid to use murder to get what he wants and his hatred for Otto extends to Alicent and her kids, even though they’ve done nothing to him.
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imagine leaving your father and brother gravely ill for years and then returning only when you want to extract another favour from the sickly old man, then proceeding to insult a woman who's been actually running political business while taking care of the king at the same time, if there's one thing daemon and rhaenyra have, it's the blind audacity lmao
This is exactly what I was thinking when I saw this scene. The audacity! Alicent was a lot nicer than she should have been in that situation
They didn't know he was this sick at this point. They knew it was bad but not this bad. So cut them a little slack. They also lived on Dragonstone as Rhaynyra was heir apparent and thru traditionally resided on that island until the passing of the reigning monarch.
Let me flip that script though. Imagining coming home from university and discovering your father is far more sick then he was before. On top of that your step mom has taken over the running of the house in his stead. However she also redecorated, took down all the family pictures, heirlooms, trappings of your childhood and turned your room into her personal yoga studio. On top of that she moved your dead mother ashes off the fireplace mantle and into the back of the garage or attic. Then she replaced it with picture of herself, your dad, and your step siblings. Meanwhile your father is wasting away upstairs high on morphine. Wouldn't that make you just a little bit angry or suspicious of more shady stuff?
Well, it was alicent's job to look after the king since she was his wife. But she had no business replacing the dragon symbols with whatever she liked.
@@uhjeff3651 Yes she did, she is Queen Consort. I remember Black stans calling Greens misogynistic while saying things like “it was Alicent’s job to take care of Viserys”. It was also Rhaenyra’s job to maintain a little decency and duty as the heir to the throne, I recall??
@@uhjeff3651 I think it was Otto that decided that and Alicent was too blind to realize she was under his influence.
Daemon is a total mood
I love the way Alicent allows them to bulldoze through whatever they want then OWNS them when Rhaenyra asks the most important question which shows how powerless she really is.
Rhaenyra was just too kind to not have her dragon burn the Hightower clan. You'll see who finally owns Otto Hightower in the next season.
She got a "mic drop double kill"
I love the look on Daemons face as Alicent walks away, he knows Alicent won this exchange.
people like you are so funny thinking that alicent is in the right here.
@@fortheloveofcats2462cool then what happens to Rhenyra?
@@MrPimpeekins died as a true Targaryen, even Synfyre was hesitant to kill her, and only gave her a quick, relatively painless death. She died like a Queen, and it was definitely better than being executed as a traitor, or being alive but watching all your loved ones die like certain Hightowers.
Alicent probably was steaming. She believed Rhaenyra when they were children that she didnt have sex with Daemon then here they are married.
Who Rhaenyra has sex with is none of Alicent’s business, she only made it her business because she was jealous.
@@morganyoung3557 Surrreeee
@@morganyoung3557 it became Alicent’s business when her father got fired.
@@jjh2456 EXACTLY. Thank You
It became her business when her father got fired because of Rhaenyra. I know Otto isn’t blameless because he was pressing to hard on his grandson being King but Rhaenyra ain’t innocent either since she pushed Viserys to fire him. And Otto was Alicent’s only protection when she was married to Viserys and she had to fend for herself for ten years because of it. While Rhaenyra was able to have her father.
I am not questioning your virtue lady. I am just denying it's existence - Lord Tyrion Lannister
Funny she isn't the one who has bastards. lol
gagged them
*i love D&R's dynamic. i wish to see more of their loving relationship...well, ya know...before the chokehold. Lol!!!* ❤🔥
I like both Rhaenyra and Daemon, especially Daemon, but re-watching the series for a second time I am so sympathetic to Alicent and her children, imagine giving up your entire youth, caring for this sick old dying man that doesn’t even care about the children you brought into this world for him, watching your former friend get away with everything that if you tried to do, your head would be chopped off or you would be sent to the silent sisters and then they have the nerve to abandon the capital for six years while she’s running everything for this man, this ungrateful, wretch and then they have the nerve to complain about his care when the only reason they’re even returning is to ask for a favor to clean up their own mistakes…? Also, don’t harp on me about the book. I’ve read the book 3 times. I understand book Alicent, and show Alicent are two different things.
I totally agree even though I am Team Rhaenyra and want her to be Queen Alicent was Viserys' wife and queen she deserved love and support too. So did the kids they had together. The war happened because of Viserys and Otto.
alicent may be a child bride and was very much manipulated and taken advantage of; but she also defended and throned her r/pist son, as well as covering up his act with hush money. yes, she’s a victim but she’s a terrible person.
Alicent acts all honorable but then she covers her r/pist son's fuck ups and judges Rhaenyra
Also to be fair after that eye incident and all that tension, Rhaenyra leaving was all justified. Alicent would've made living in KL hell for her sons who she knew were bastard and younger than Alicent's wild children. Aemond literally stole Laena's dragon
@@jeelee3096 Aemond didn't steal anything
The NERVE these two had
look at the greens. decorating the entire palace with hightower stuff. i don't think the sons of the greens even realized that they were literally dressing up as greens from hightower and that their own family was trying to make a hightower king. thank god it was all for nothing in the end. they lost.
They didn't decorate it with Hightower stuff. They decorated it with the symbols of the new religion of the Seven.
@@frname7665aka the hightower Religion during maegor the faith had its seat in Oldtown
I love the bitchy smile Alicent gives them both at the end
It's ashame such talented actors play shallow dialogues which bring neither meaning nor plot advance
It’s funny you mention this because I also thought it one of the (admittedly few) scenes that was predictable and kinda redundant.
I suppose there was one good element of foreshadowing, when Rhaenyra suggests to Daemon that perhaps they should bring their own maester to see him. I love Alicent as a character, however if we’re being realistic with ourselves, there is a very real likelihood (and reasoning) for Alicent to have Viserys die on suspicious grounds. The day Otto is fired, he warns his daughter that the King will not live long. I think the exact quote is “It may be a year or several but he will not live to natural old age” or something. I don’t know, I personally interpret that as a (cruel) hint for her to wake up to the danger she will be in when that time comes. Viserys’ mysterious illness kinda is kept at bay and at least appears naturally progressive while Otto is in exile. The utter speed and advancement of failing health plummets as soon as Otto returns.
Another hint that Alicent has become complicit in the machinations of her father and his affiliated Citadel/Hightower maesters is the very fact that she’s become religious enough to redecorate the Targaryen throne room and keep with stars while wearing one around her neck is pretty balsy for a character like Alicent. In other words, she is not at peace with herself and feels deep guilt.
In fact, now that I type all this I realize the only purpose of such a scene is to set the stage for an upcoming revelation that might later be unearthed. I mean all the unusual behavioral shots of the maesters is such a recurring thing through the entire season. I find it almost unrealistic to expect that to not amount to meaning in the following seasons. I reckon the true surprise will be Alicent’s complicity.
The real villains of the story are the faith. In this part of the Targaryan history, the Hightowers were their loyal servants and they did their job so well they almost erased the Targaryan line but they won nonetheless by killing all Dragons.
It's not about supporting Rhaenyra or Aegon. That wasn't the root of the conflict.
Daemon perfectly highlighted the problem here. What does the king's suffering have to do with erasing every aspect of the Targaryan dynasty from the red keep?!
The Targaryen's were invaders and forced Westeros to bow to them because of the dragons. Meanwhile the Andals and the First Men of the North have been there for thousands of years. And throughout their reign they were hardly kind to the people. Is it any surprise the people and the religious order wanted them gone?
This is the equivalent of the Hindus removing British monuments and converting old churches into Hindu temples after the centuries long occupation ended. Or the Polish removing all traces of Soviet occupation upon gaining independence.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl No it's not but that doesn't mean the First Men and Andals were much better. The right of the first night, occasional cannibalism, using shamanistic warging to spy on or terrify people, genocide of other sentient species... that was all First Men. Killing people in mass in the name of religion, forcing people to convert by the sword, persecuting other people politically simply because they don't behave or believe as you do... all the Andals. Being in any place for thousands of years doesn't grant any spiritual right to place or put you in the moral high ground. It just is.
Alicent in the books poisoned King Viserys.
If they wanted to keep the dragon Targaryen heraldry in the red keep, they shouldn’t have left the city. Rhaenyra and Daemon just hating on Alicent for no reason
Don't worry . Stannis the mannis burns the false seven god statues in dragon stone . By choosing a valyrian religion . And Danny's dragons rule the east
@@dissisme5311 Stannis is an atheist he oficially follows the Red God so he can use Melisandre's power.
@@masterplokoon8803 nope he ain't athiest . He converted to rh'lor
@@dissisme5311 in the books he is an atheist. He straight up says that he lost any faith in gods when he saw his parents' ship sink. He oficially converted to Rh'llor because he sees Melisandre as a usefull witch.
@@masterplokoon8803 he also says the story of proud wing a bird whom he took care of and the bird lost all the time to Robert's bird . Robert advices him to change the bird . Stannis uses this as a phrase to change his ' bird' aka 'religion' . He clearly converted to the red god . He just barely doesn't agree to whatever Melisandre says and does , he chose the red god and he believes in it
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that would be mine c:
That little "ha" at 0:51 is brillaint Daemon is the best character man fucking hilarious 😂
"Women can do no wrong"
"To every rule there's an exception"
Alicent is that exception
Note: this is a joke
What’s crazy to me is how alicent says he blinded by pain but yet he got up for HIS DAUGHTER & he seemed unwell but not blind with pain
It was painfully obvious what alicent and the greens were doing keeping viserys sedated. The fact the greens have any support from fans boggles my mind.
Don’t get me wrong, the show does a good job making the greens more sympathetic then the book does. But make no mistake, they are the antagonists in this story
You'd rather the King be left to rot in agony while his body is decaying? At least the Hightowers were taking care of Viserys. Daemon and Rhaenerya practically dipped knowing full well what the Greens were up to. They never came to visit, never to check up on the kingdom; nothing.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl clearly a mistake. But sure, the greens cares so much for the king. That’s why they stripped away all the Targaryen stuff and put their own bs around. Why they stacked the counsel with their members. Why they were about to deny luke is birthright in a clear power grab and against the kings wishes. That’s why they started a war to deny his daughter her birthright.
Yeah…..they cared so much.
@@jessedellross3245 the council members were all apointed when Viserys was still mentally healthy. His illness didn't have a big influence on who was on the council.
@@masterplokoon8803look again. Almost all of the members were appointed by Otto.
@@jessedellross3245 not really Jason was apointed after Corlys left, Beesbury was apointed before Viserys was even king, the grandmaester is elected not apointed, you could say that Otto as hand of the king had influence in some of their apointments but Viserys was still mentally capable and could have refused them if he wanted so he must have agreed.
Well since Daemon and Rhenyra "killed" Leanor all the hopes for mercy for Aegon and Aemon is gone and thus all actions of greens in Kingslanding could be justified by not letting the blacks kill the children. I don't know why are they so confused. It's so obvious that green will try to take the power this is the game of thrones either they do that or boys would be in danger. These two are so annoying and dumb.
People saying Alicent takes care of Viserys, mind you when she goes to visit him he's as confused as when he hears Daemon is there. They had no other choice but to depart with Alicent making their life hell there. Rhaenyra has only seek to protect her children.
Team green blaming Rhaenyra for not being in Kingslanding when Alicent literally bullied her out lmfao she tried to stay there for 10 years and was miserable. I wouldn't go back there either.
This is the best comment I've read so far
doesn’t change the fact she abandoned her father she has no right to complain as if she was there all those 6 years when alicent was taking care of his decomposing @ss
@@-_-ligma "abandon" lmfao he's her dad, not her child.
@@-_-ligma and also he didn't look that bad when they last saw him. He got worse way quicker in those 6 years than he did in those 10 years before.
@@sina3602 once again she has no right to talk shlt to alicent and act like a know it all when she’s been gone for 6 years also in those 6 years you don’t think that rhaenyra received any messages about her father
If they wanted things to be the same they should have stayed around to run it, everyone wants titles and power but you have to put the work into it.
How does the Queen rule when the king is sick? Is this just made up for the show? It’s not in fire and blood.
It's quite simple: the crown princess decided to dip leaving for Dragonstone. And the Queen's own sons were considered too young to rule until recently. Usually when a king is incapacitated or dead, and heirs are either too young or stuck somewhere else, the Queen Consort can rule for a brief time until the heirs are of age or return for the throne.
regency is a thing
@@hazeinheaven officially in this series? Not in fire and blood.
@@kb4903 sure alicent's regency wasnt but aemond's was when aegon got hospitalized after the battle of rook's rest aemond crowned as king regent but he refused to name himself king regent and changed it as prince regent and hold the title of protector of the realm.
Even in this scene rhaenerya cares about who rules, only alicent cares about the king
Lol
The amount of ignorance on display from the greens in these comments is absolutely comical. Go and actually read the material before you comment. Alicent explicitly poisons Viserys for years and Viserys explicitly forbade anyone from telling Rhaenyra or Daemon about it. Oh and all the Hightowers abandon Alicent's campaign for her kids and the green line dies out. Daemon and Rhaenyra's sons are the Targaryens that Daenerys herself and everyone inbetween is a direct descendant from.
Milk of the poppy isn't a poison, it's to diminish the pain Viserys has
@chaperonrouge8309 Who mentioned milk of the poppy?
@@sindieltaylor2147 Sorry, alot of people thinks milk of the poppy is poison so I thought it was also your case. But tell me then how she ''explicitly poisons Viserys for years'' ?
@@chaperonrouge8309 It's stated she poisoned his hippocras, and Rise of the Dragon apparently supports it. But I'd have to double check that last part.
@@sindieltaylor2147 Where did they stated this ? If I remember well only Daemon said it, and it's just because he hates the Hightower and didn't see Viserys's body in a while. Plus seeing how Alicent reacted to Viserys's death I don't think she killed him
I could watch Daemon all day throwing shade at Alicent and Otto. Don’t get me wrong, Viserys was in terrible pain, his body decaying away bit by bit like a rotten, dying tree however he was of sound enough mind to defend Rhaenyra to his own last breath in speaking of Aegon the Conqueror’s Dream. I cannot wait to see the finally fate of Alicent and Otto. I hope they both remain alive to the end of their days to drown in self pity for their actions. Thanks for uploading.
I love how Daemon is angry as hell about how his family's heraldry got removed and replaced with symbols of the Faith of the Seven. The man's a Targaryen nationalist, through and through.
They have both had enough of her and her father.
Daemon and rhaenyra are better ❣️
You know i stopped liking ryhenea the moment she lured that knight into her room to have sex . She was just a child at that time but still she lured him in because what daemon took her into some disgusting place and kissed her 1. She is just a spoiled girl
The Alicebt apologists defenders need to check their heads.
I don’t like how in this show, people who don’t have dragons are just way too cocky. Like when Otto confronted Daemon over the egg, they somehow someway forgot he had a fire breathing dragon with him on an island full of dragons. They’re unintelligent people, Daenerys was way better than any person in this show. Well, not Daemon. I like that man 😮💨😈
Tell what you want about Daemon, but he really cared about his family legacy...You have this Hightower family who is extremelly ambitious, and pretend to be under some higher power, i said somewhere in the reddit before Targaryens should have stuck with Targaryens ( its incest i know blame GRR Martin not me) but on political level, Hightowers was an westerosi family, who had citadel of high maesters in oldtown, something tells me they just wanted to get rid of so called foreign Invadors and their dragons...
Ppl in this comment section really forget why rhaenyra moved to dragonstone in the first place? Alicent bullied her and her sons for years and after that eye accident even I don't want to visit the place ever again.
Why tf torture yourself to a family meeting if you know the host is not even like you and want your sons death ?
She bullied her. When?was rhaenyra a no body that she could not do anything about it. Her father is king but she can't tell alicent to stop hurting her kids
Her father is king they have the same blood did she really think that Vesris will let his queen hurt her his own blood his daughter and then she left her father again knowing that he was really sick
@@aishahamma334Viserys was weak he know alicent bullied and hated rhaenyra and her children but he thought that would go away after time
@@scarletwizard5451Alicent never bullied rhaenyra . It doesn't even make sense . Those bastards of hers were the ones who bullied aemond and laughed at him because he doesn't have a dragon . How many times had alicent defended her
@@aishahamma334 🤣🤣🤣🤣 she literally forced rhaenyra to walk seconds after birth, she made fun of her and her true born sons.
Alicent never defended her and btw aegon had the idea for the pig
@@scarletwizard5451 She didn't ask for rhaenyra. She asked for the baby.Rhaenyra choose to go there in her own. If you hate her because of that then hate rhaenyra for making her weak dying father come out of the room and up the stairs for a lie
I like daemon in this scene
No one can tolerate alicunt bullshit😅
The one saying bs is Daemon. He didn't bother to visit his brother for 6 years while he was gravely ill and only showed up 6 years later to use his authority to clean up his political messes and he has the audacity of insulting the person who has actually been taking care of Viserys through his illness and trying to ease his pain for all this years. If I was in Alicent's shoes I wouldn't be as diplomatic as she was.
It’s daemon and rhaenyra who were full of bs in this scene
Alicent was definitely full of it. Daemon's side for sure.