Queen Alicent confront Aegon about what did to Dyana | Ep 01x08 | House of the Dragon.
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This is why the Cersei comparisons make me angry because Cersei would’ve had the girl killed and then said “Joffrey’s always been difficult :/“
She had the girl killed of screen thats what you do with servants.
😂😂😂😂
Yes. Cersei was evil to the core, smart but manipulative, she has blinders on and cannot see value in other people except herself & her children, she even sees her own twin brother as lesser than her and would constantly think critically of him but wants him to be devoted to her completely even when she isn’t devoted to him the same way she wished he did for her. She is narcissistic and Joffrey was her golden child, that’s why Tommen & Myrcella honestly turned out fine because they spent less time with their mother than Joff did.
Meanwhile, Alicent was just a product of her environment & horrible dad. She was woman forced into a role that took away her control over her own desires and needs, Alicent grew up being taught that her life was never her own and that she must always put “the kingdom” first (kingdom meaning her dad’s obsession with the iron throne) and as an adult she is constantly reminded of this but despite being resentful of Rhaenyra, she stayed compassionate & empathetic to a fault. Alicent remembers the pain of her youth and the burden she carries of not following her own desires because she “couldn’t” when she certainly could’ve but she was so convinced by her father that being her own person was wrong and selfish and would hurt her father if she didn’t obey.
Otto is just like Cersei, just not as good at manipulation & not as smart when it comes to getting what he wants. and also he never taught or pushed his daughter into the direction of being an egotistical narcissist monster.
@@yusufraage8554 No she didn't lol, that's moon tea not poison
@@yusufraage8554 No she gave her the tea that induces abortion.
I mean, I get that Viserys said “Aegon” but Alicent girl you cannot tell me you looked at the most flop of all your children and be like ‘yes, thats the one’ 😭
Viserys: "Aegon's Dream"
Alicent:"your son?!"
Alicent please Your son`s dream is live in a whore house for the rest of his live
Right? Like Ms. Girl he said “it’s you” and was talking about Aegon in third person referring to a conversation y’all never had. Not to mention you just gave him drugs.
Maaaaybe he’s not talking about your crappy son.
Books did a better job of it
Especially since there's literally another living aegon in the family
@@mattwing05 A baby? Who isn’t even the first child of his mother. Try harder. Why would Alicent even remotely think about Aegon the fourth child of Rhaenyra instead of Aegon the son of her and the person she’s talking to.😂
Alicent hugging helaena in front of aegon after scolding him, saying he’s not her son and him saying his frustration about her and viserys; is just so coldly funny lmao.
Yeah. Just thought the same thing. Aegon got no love for like a decade at this point.
@@enlighten92 Yeah, he’s a horrible person. At this point you could argue he’s so bad that he doesn’t deserve to be loved. But at the same time I still feel some sympathy for him. He felt completely unloved by everyone around him for his childhood and was neglected by his father. He’s been given no real affection for years yet was basically enabled to do whatever he wants since he was a kid. So you have a teen who is given the power to do whatever he wants while barely regulating him with a giant hole in his heart of seeking validation that makes him apathetic and tries to fill the void through immoral actions. This by no means excuses his actions but goes a long way to understand him.
@@noahmclaughlin7921 spot on.
@@noahmclaughlin7921 I don't see him as horrible. He's empty and lost crushed under the weight of a position he doesn't want. It's constant pressure with little reassurance. He drinks to cope. Yes, hes a spoiled dick unsuitable to raise a child let alone run a kingdom, but, isn't it sad that he knows it?
I think my eyes were opened a bit more when Aegon's actor spoke of the dinner scene with him, Jace and Baela. When he makes completely inappropriate comments to Baela this wasn't done to solely Irritate Jace.--he did it to "woo" Baela. Like, he's not joking in the slightest. The fact that he thought this beyond crass way of making a proposition to Baela was right, says a lot. He's looking for love and reassurance in every woman he sleeps (and or assaults) with because he doesn't believe his mother loves him.
He's all sorts of fucked up.
It gets a lot more darker meaning when you see it like this: Alicent saw Helaena and immediately went to hug her with a sense of fear and relief, right after scolding her son for raping an innocent girl. Given the fact that Helaena is married to Aegon, I bet Alicent realized in that moment that he sexually abused her as well, and instinctively felt the need to give her daughter a comforting hug to compensate for that horrible realisation.
Ironic. Alicent opposed Rhaenyra based on her irresponsibility, only to have her firstborn be worse than Rhaenyra
And the funny part is Rhaenyra slept around when she was Aegon’s age, she wasn’t allowed to but she did, sure she would have faced WORSE consequences because she was a woman and that’s where Alicent’s rage comes in because Aegon IS allowed to sleep around and get away it at this age because he is a man and people like herself (the Queen, in Rhaenyra’s case it was Viserys and the people closest to Rhaenyra) cover up for him the same way people did for Rhaenyra at that age and still do despite her bastard sons, Aicent knows that what Aegon did is far worse than Rhaenyra’s actions but Aegon will never be humiliated for it like Rhaenyra was. Aegon also RAPED a girl, many girls actually which is shameful enough in itself. Alicent spent her entire life as a baby maker, sent by her father to seduce and fuck an old disgusting man twice her age, made to marry him, fucked whenever he wants, and be a baby maker for pretty much her entire life and here is her son forcefully taking the honour of a servant girl as he pleases, all the while he will never ever ever receive the same punishments and consequences that Alicent and Rhaenyra did and would have had they done as they pleased when they pleased. She is a woman who grew up being taught that her life does not belong to her, same as Rhaenyra but Alicent took her duty a different way. A worse way tbh.
@@ballsack1039 rhaenyra also forced herself on criston
And at least Rhaenyra actively tried learning on how to be a good ruler. You see her attending Small Council meetings and actually learning to be diplomatic. All you see Aegon doing is drinking and being a sexual deviant.
@@HookedOnSonics518 i mean to be fair he both didn't want to be king and his whole life it was said that rheanyra well be the ruler so he didn't have a reason
@@HookedOnSonics518 That's not true in the slightest. She complained and hated the idea of being a cup bearer, something that for her age should be an honor, she spoke over her position and offered opinions on topics she had no knowledge of, and only ever made enemies while she was at King's Landing. This is also when she sleeps around. Let's not forget the innocent guard she had murdered so her plot to send off her original husband could happen.
Olivia Cooke is just masterful as Alicent. I really just saw her as home girl from Bates Motel but look at her!! She’s eating every scene!!
Did you know she was also in Ready Player One? She's the MC's love interest.
@@MarchAngeloPAlino yeah, well, if Spielberg chooses to cast you in one of his films, you have to be a good actor. Also, her American accent is so convincing.
I found out about her from the horror movie Ouija
I love her only reason I look forward to Alicent’s scenes is because of Olivia she was my favourite in Bates Motel.
They didn’t make her evil enough like the books. In the books she poisoned Viserys so he’d finally die and him mumbling Aegons dream to her didn’t happen. As soon as he died she planned to put Aegon on the throne.
That look of disappointment she gives Aegon before slapping & saying “you are no son of mine,” really cuts me in a way I can’t put into words.
In fact, for anyone who say she didn't care for the girl, guys she slapped him and told him "you're no son of mine", i think that's should mean something
What blows my mind is that Olivia and Tom are only 2 years apart in age and yet they play mother and son.
Tell that to Collin Farrell and Angelina Jolie in Alexander
@Alex Casares Lmao I know right 😆 🤣 😂
Alicent did the right thing by comforting the girl and giving her an open window to escape her abuser, not everyone at the time was as compassionate or understanding as she was. Yes, she's covering for Aegon, because he's her son and nothing can change that, but her anger, frustration, and disappointment are so real. By backing Aegon up she saved Dyana a sure death, Aegon would probably have her killed, and she's also saving Helaena and Aemond from shame.
It’s unrealistic. No woman would’ve dared speak to the queen ,of all people, about the princes actions. Most the time the servant would’ve been silenced if they did. This is some 2022 ideology insert.
I don't think that girl is alive bro I think she gave her poison because she would be pregnant with aegon child I think . ?
She probably died, actually. The liquid we see her drink isn't the same color as the one we see Rhaenyra drink, and later someone asks if they had seen her. Alicent probably had her killed regardless.
@@paulotruzzi3652 No, the producers said it was moon tea
Funny she raised him that way. If its one or two to blaim for all of its both his parents.
1:16 I feel like this is the moment where Alicent truly realises how much of a monster Aegon is. I mean, if he's able to do such a horrific thing to Dyana, what exactly would stop him from doing the same thing to Helaena?
I think he just likes the servants I think it’s a power trip. He is disgusted with helaena, yes I know she has kids but the producers have implied her children are Aemonds not aegons. She said he only talks to her a little bit when he’s drunk
Aemond
@@angelbass5175 That is not true. Helaena is a dutiful woman and when did the producers imply that Aemond is the father
@@angelbass5175 when did they imply that?
@@tyfoparalax8894 it’s subtle but it’s there from that moment he said he would marry her to keep their line pure. Then her at diner saying aegon only acknowledge her a little when he’s drunk. Aemond turns his chair to watch halena as she dance with jace, when the dragon come thru the floor aemond is protecting halena. When aegon goes missing he walks into halena room for no reason but he is surprised to see Alicent there. Aemond then leaves which mean he had either no reason to be in there or what ever he was going in there for us a secrete. Aegon and halena don’t share the same room. Aegon don’t find halena attractive he said so himself. When aegon tries to leave he says he’ll take a ship and go not with his kids. Peep aegon was at the Baratheon house courting his daughters but clearly hes not gonna marry any of them.
„You are no son of mine” was delivered so coldly, it became a perfection.
“HOW COULD YOU CHEAT ON YOUR SISTER” 💀
Aegon telling his mother he never asked for any of this, that he does everything that's asked of him and it's never enough is very reminiscent of the dynamic between Alicent and Otto.
Still a dumb excuse for raping a girl lmao, the fact that he tried to cover himself with something like that shows how nasty he is
@@jrlombardi5251 never said otherwise
@@moobocksniffle never said you did, I was just adding something, not contradicting, it's just that ppl treating Aegon like a pure victim or like Alicent made him this way are not in their right mind.
@@jrlombardi5251 Ah, I see.. sorry for misinterpreting friend
@@jrlombardi5251 In response to your comment, I agree. The targaryen dynasty seems to have bred such mad/crazy people starting from Alicent down... no one was as heartless and cold before hightower blood got incorporated.. unless you count Daemon, but I'd argue that there is method to his madness and that he isn't actually evil or mad.
Alicent just came face to face with the consequences of her hypocrisy.
She’ll face even worse than that come Blood and Cheese.
@@gabybop And then poor Helaena will suffer the most of it. I get why it was done, but Helaena didn't deserve what happened to her.
@@Hjalmar_an_Craite not one once.
@@gabybop then Halena will kill herself
@virathedragon: The fact that Alicent decided Rhaenyra was unfit for the throne bc she had sex before marriage and didnt tell her, and judged Viserys for protecting Rhaenyra- And she is now protecting the reputation of her r@pist son bc she wants him to rule instead of Rhaenyra.
Media literacy is dead with how many people really thought Alicent poisoned Dyana. She gave the girl moon tea, a contraceptive, so she doesn't end up pregnant with Aegon's bastard. It's the best thing she could do for a servant girl that got raped by a prince, because it would turn out WORSE for the servant girl if anyone found out what happened. So many people are determined to think Alicent is evil when she's just aware of how the world in her time period works.
The fact that people decided to see a shuddering, shaking girl, gulping a drink as her convulsing and being poisoned is quite funny.
I don’t think her evil but I think she’s a hypocrite. She looks down on Rhaenrya because the willing arrangement she made with her husband led to her children being bastards. Yet Alicent would put her son forward as king when he goes around raping girls and fathering bastards all over the city.
tbh the scene came off as intentionally ambiguous. we never see the Dyana after that and neither has Helaena. Did Alicent really kill her off? We’ll never really know.
@@AiliasFox The producers clarified it was moon tea. She wasn't poisoned.
@@AiliasFoxshe was probably fired, not killed
Alicent later: “actually, I changed my mind, he seems a great choice to be king. Why? Well, because my dying husband mumbled some words deliriously on his deathbed.”
Wrong in episode 3 he told her drunkenly he foresaw a vision of his son wearing the crown that’s why he tried so hard to get a child with aemma
@@adbylsh2756 another reason why I hate alcohol
@@adbylsh2756 so delirium and drunkenness, impaired either way. It’s not much better.
@geist souls Because Alicent’s not a child anymore.
Subconsciously she always wanted her son on the throne. In her mind it's the best for his safety and the only way for her to remain in control and exert power. She just hears what she desperately wants to hear
The thing I love about HoTD is that the creators made every character dynamic and complex. They’re not out right ruthless and evil. They have their own agenda that we all can understand or relate to.
I’d say Larys Strong is pretty outright evil. He murdered his own father and brother, with nothing indicating that they’d done anything to deserve such a fate.
@anatoldenevers237 I don't think he did it because he thought they "deserved" it but because he saw them as a weakness. Larys has that whole monologue about love being a weakness so he gets rid of them when it benefits him (he's now lord of harrenhal, the Queen is in his debt, and he holds blackmail over her. So in his eyes it's a quadruple win for him even if it means killing those he's close with).
No they didnt? They demonize Aegon here and tell the audience not to like him or sympathize with him while removing all of Rhaenyra's bad qualities. they make it very black and white.
lol not outright ruthless and evil. dude literally touched a girl without consent. thats fucking disgusting
@@andyrobin7196 theres nothing to demonize about him when he is already a piece of shit, i dont get it. its very scary to see ppl like you thinking touching someone without consent isnt that bad. what kind of mindset do you have to have to think that. Thats crazy
I'm not going to waste my time sympathizing with a character who had just sexually assaulted someone and sees it as "a bit of fun" Past trauma be damned. Plenty of us out here have traumatic childhoods and you don't see many of us assaulting people.
He is no longer a just victim of his parents; he is the monster under the bed.
Of course u r right
Green fans defending him by saying that his father never look after him
And aegon has a tragic life
Where is tragedy in his life?
Yes exactly 🙏🏻
Just wait till season 2 I sense a mad king coming for some strange reason
Someone with sense in these comments finally.
@@Pookie12396 Эйгон || сам является сплошной трагедией
Aegon reminds me of Tyrion Lannister, albeit completely different expectations. Tyrion wanted more leadership roles but was resorted to menial tasks because of his dwarfism. Aegon is the opposite, he wants nothing to do with leadership and prefers a life of freedom. Both reluctantly hold their roles for their family and copes by drinking and whoring. This is a surface level comparison of course, Aegon can never be as wise as Tyrion.
Sure but Aegon raped a girl, while Tyrion's wife was gang raped by Tywin's men.
You’re obviously talking earlier seasons Tyrion. Those last couple, Hodor was as wise as Tyrion…
Well, Tyrion wouldn't rape a servant either. So there is a bit of targaryen mental illness and psychopathy in the mix
Tyrion do whoring, Aegon is confronted by raping a maid
@@dceasedbrickfan74 Thats just D&D not knowing how to write
The actor for Aegon is really a good one
I feel so sorry for Helaena.......
Same! She's married to a cheating rapist and whether she likes it or not she'll be at the center of a bloody dynastic struggle... and she never harmed anyone :(
You will feel more sorry for her in future
@@mg-cx5tv I know. I’ve seen the History and Lore for Dance of the Dragons. It’s why I feel so sorry for her.......
@@Jakegothicsnake what happen can you tell
@@randomcenturion7264 🩸& 🧀 **
“It will never be enough for you or father”. Aegon is aware of his position as a son but who isn’t the heir. He’s done everything he was told to do to get his father’s recognition but all Viserys saw was Rhaenyra. And that in Viserys eyes, he and his other siblings aren’t loved/as important as Rhaenyra is.
I think all the Hightower Kids reacted differently.
Helaena just focused on her children and moved further away from people.
Aegon became a degenerate just to feel something, since Lust was the closest thing he could find to love.
Aemond became bitter, probably resents his father as a weak old man, and actively wants the throne for himself.
This isn't to completely shit on Viserys, I think he did better than most would, but it's not good enough to shower one child in love and completely dismiss/disdain the others.
@Random Centurion He felt bad for what he did to Aemma and since Rhaenyra is her only child, he spoils her.
Well Rhaenyra is a stronger princess and the next rightful heir he wasn’t the best king but he was no fool he knew she was a stronger person than Aegon he knew she would be a good strong talageryn queen
@@MacaroniJudas I wouldn’t say Rheanyra gets spoilt over protective yea but spoiling no
He loved Helaena and her children but he didn't love Aegon II and Aemond
You know, I wasn't completely sold on Tom Glynn-Carney as adult Aegon until this scene.
"you are no son of mine" most satisfying line
Aegon’s actor is damn good, he actually made me feel sorry for the character. You can tell Alicent, Otto, probably even Viserys took their anger and shortcomings out on him his whole life. Yes he’s a grown-ass man who is responsible for his own choices, but the people in his life share some of that responsibility too.
Edit: this was a comment about Aegon’s ACTOR. And how good he was that he was able to make me TEMPORARILY feel sorry for the FICTIONAL CHARACTER he portrayed. Okay. I’m done.
I did not feel sorry for him. His drinking and playboy attitude could be looked over but not this. I’ve met people who have had shit parents and none of them are rapists.
I don't know. I'm pretty sure they didn't tell him it was fine to rape servants
I feel not a single empathy for that brat aegon lol
@@realdavidjones1623 not even one?
I don’t feel empathy for a rapist
Ya, Alicent. Give your irresponsible son the throne so he can further abuse his power by abusing servants and probably his wife, your daughter. More power doesn't lessen the tyrant's nature, it just emboldens it.
And the real kicker? He doesn’t WANT power. She is making him worse against his Will and then whining about the results.
It's either him or Daemon and Rhaenyra, both of which are known for abusing power and murdering people while opposing the law. At least you could say that Aegon never crossed any law because he's a male and apparently males back then were not punished for such thing. So having Aegon as King is far much greater than having that self-conniving b*tch on the throne with that abuser by her side...
It’s more about furthering her power and authority. With rhaenyra as Queen she would lost all the influence and power she’s acquired over the years.
Can’t have that after all she’s given up to be queen
@Makenna Parsonage It’s not the first time it’s happened and it not be the last.
Rhaenyra is literally not that different from Aegon in that respect lmao
Someone pointed out how it's pretty funny HotD added this "I try so hard" line while never bothering to give us a scene of him actually trying. I feel like this could have been a way better scene if we actually saw Aegon's effort going unnoticed
You forget they don't actually care about making a good nuanced plot, they just want to make a show about the tragic feminist Rhaenyra losing to the evil greens, while desperately trying to keep her dumb/evil/irrational male allies under control.
@@Dryhten1801 Yeah, I guess you are not wrong
To be done "right," the first season would've had to have been double its length. Give us time to breathe, get to know these characters, feel like there are actual PEOPLE outside of the Red Keep instead of just cannon fodder, and most of all, stop time skipping every 3 episodes and introducing new actors playing this cast. HotD is intriguing, but it's counting on your love and experience with GOT to do a *ton* of heavy lifting to make up for its slapdash pacing.
tbf he does marry his sister, who he thinks is a weirdo bc he was expected to, and he covers for his mum in ‘driftmark’ when viserys asks where he heard the bastard rumours from, he trains a little bit with cole and his brothers and nephews (who he gets on with for a while with the whole bullying aemond thing so idk maybe that was expected of him by viserys ? he was watching but the fight did go sour. when alicent slapped him out of it and said hey, they are the enemy, ur brother is not, he changed to trying to appease his mother since she is a more viable option for validation than his father bc let’s be honest, viserys didn’t give a shit) aaaaaaaaaaannd ……. that’s about it lol
@@bloop5337 On the subject of Viserys, that's actually something I really don't get. Where is he in rearing his children?
Alicent isn't a good mother, but you can understand why. Firstly, she became a mother WAY too young. That shot of her, a teenage girl, holding a screaming infant conceived with her by a man 3 times older than her is harrowing; it's a perfect summation of the trauma of being a child bride. Second, Otto Hightower is a loveless manipulator who starved Alicent of any affection and Alicent's mother died when she was very young. In short, she hasn't had an example of good patenting. Next, Otto has heaped high standards and rigid perfectionism on her; that's all she knows, so she has little patience for people that don't fulfill their "societal roles." Lastly, she believes (again, thanks to Otto) that her and her children's lives are in danger from Rhaenyra wanting to eliminate any other claimants when she becomes queen.
I believe Alicent loves her children sincerely, but she wasn't prepared to be a mother. But what the hell is Viserys' excuse? ALL he's ever wanted is a son, and when Alicent gives him one, he seems genuinely proud for a few episodes at least.
Are we to believe Viserys is just some preteen with a puppy that got bored when it grew out of its "cute" stage? Not only does that seem unlikely, it's bad character writing.
Alicent lacks flexibility but she dotes on her children (particularly Helaena) and Viserys might be a weak and distracted king but he has been previously shown to be a loving father, so how do the two of them have such sociopathic kids (Aemond and Aegon specifically)? I know that in real life good parents do give birth to murderers and rapists on occasion, but I'd like some narrative explanation from this show.
And don't give me that BS "every time a Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin" writer's convenience. If that were the case, then it's statistically unlikely that Aemond and Aegon would both turn out bad while Jace and Luke are such righteous cherubs.
The worst part about this scene is that this clearly isn't the first time he's done this, or the first time Alicent has covered for him. It's just the last one before his father dies.
Alicent raised those kids wrong. Helaena turned out okay, Aemond is debatable , Aegon is terrible and I do think it's because Viserys and Alicent didn't love him. The only time we see Alicent speak to him is about his claim to the throne. When he does get crowned, the peasants cheer for him and he feels love for, like, once in his life. His crimes are his fault but I don't think he would have turned out like this if he was raised better
To be fair to Alicent she was a kid herself when she had them
Aemond is indeed debateable. I think he's spiteful (Not without some justification to be honest) but I don't think he's insane or excessively cruel.
Aegon though is a complete Fuck up born of his mother, father and grandfather either being neglectful, resentful or outright manipulative.
Helaena is weird, Aegon is a jerk, and Aemond is blood thirsty
@@wolfzeru5745 only daeron is normal
@@atinwahyuningsih3919 because he was away 😂raised by uncles and aunts
Alicent expresses all her frustration on Aegon she was holding all this years that's why he is the only one she is slapping
He is the one she destroyed the most and had potential to be the most normal but she hate what he became and she kind of love him and hate at the same time he is still her son.
Helaena is good person, loved by subjects her mother wanted get close to her but couldn't because she couldn't understand her and what she is talking about (her dragon dreams)
Aemond she love him we can see she hug him compare to Aegon she show him her love to him, but he turn out to be the most cocky and bloodthirsty.
There’s something people don’t seem to understand: by the standards of the world they live in Aegon did nothing wrong. At least legally. He’s the king’s son. He can do whatever he wants, and that includes raping a serving girl, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. No authority in the kingdom is going to punish a prince on behalf of a serving girl.
Even Alicent doesn’t have the authority to punish Aegon. He’s a grown man and he’s next in line for the throne. Alicent telling Dyana she believes her, giving her the tea and sending her away was the best she could do.
And to blame the way Aegon turned out on his mother, who was a teenage girl when she had him and not on his father, who neglected him and his duties to him as a father, is incredibly sexist. Viserys CHOSE to marry Alicent and have more children! You’d think he’d actually parent them! But no, he married and raped a teenage girl the same age as his daughter and then left her and their children to the wolves.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you!
He was a rapist his balls must be cut off
You that but by their standards she was at the marrying age and procreation is their duty, especially for royalty.
in books he at least he had relationship with Helaena and her kids.Helaena bring kids to him he read book for twin while the youngest Maelor was too little to understand Viserys gave him play with his ring so Viserys was close with Helaena too just not with Aemond and Aegon.
"you're no son of mine." damn, she pulled a Tywin on him
He deserve
*Aegon reaches for the crossbow*
"Oh, but I am your son".
Aegon reminds me of Homelander
Utterly pathetic and contemptible but you pity him because every adult in his life sent him down this path through abuse and neglect.
Uh, no, I don’t pity this insufferable brat and I pray he gets ended by the end of the series.
Helena is too innocent for this world 😂
Literally, I wish I can just take her away from this toxic family, away from the blacks and green killing each other 😭
While GOT is action, HOTD is really a tragedy. Aegon couldve been a gallavant since he wasnt the proclaimed heir. Helaena couldve been happy with Jace but because of political divides, she was stuck with Aegon who ignores her. Alicent couldve been free if only she separated herself from Otto after her marriage. Rhaenyra couldve been free had she not been burdened with being heir by her father. Viserys couldve been happier had he never been proclaimed King. Rhaenys couldve been more than just a wife of a noble house had she become queen since she is kore adept at the game than Viserys. So much tragedy
I agree. And it could have avoided.so.much bloodshed, not just.regarding the dance.of the dragons but so much in the future. Including, the dark entity taking over Bran who becomes the new ruler of Westeros (assuming the books end like the show -which I hope it's not the case).
With the exception of using Meleys to bust out of the Dragon Pit the way she did, which resulted in the unnecessary death of a bunch of people........
@@Jakegothicsnake that was the worst scene in the show
I agree. It could've been so much better for all of these people, if only the circumstances were just a little different.
Helaena would have been happy with Aemond. I hope we see more of them
I wonder if Alicent ever thinks: “Dang we’re fighting to get this kinda guy on the throne?”
Probably
I could imagine her watching Aemond training and being like "maybe I should invest in him more". Since he acts like the duty full older brother
None of this would have happaned if Viserys was a actual father for his children with Alicent
yes it would happen, I know y'all love to pretend men are perfect and everything they do is someone else's fault but reality isn't like that
@@ufuvjviufugigib7692 Eh, Aegon's entire thing is how he was neglected his whole life by his father and forced by his mother to be something he don't want to be. He's a cunt, but if he had some actual parents he could have been a very different person
@@ufuvjviufugigib7692 its is though viserys doesnt give a rats ass about them and alicent was left alone pressuring him while viserys probably his time looking down at him both were shit
@@ufuvjviufugigib7692He's literally saying a man is at fault. How the fuck can you be this sexist? You've literally been blinded by misandry.
@@ufuvjviufugigib7692Did you misread the comment? It's literally blaming Viserys, a man, for his inaction, thereby implying that Alicent isn't mostly to blame for how Aegon turned out.
She really just served him a Tywin Lannister Supreme with a side of palm
Seeing a queen, dressed in all that elegant clothing, yelling so energetically is kinda funny to watch.
Viserys said "Aegon" and Alicent really looked at her flop of a child and thought "yes! it's him. he is the promised one" girl... bffr
Aegon is definitely a naturally messed up kid with that abuses his power. Its interesting though seeing that he clearly deals with pain likely coming from Otto and Alicent. Shows like GoT tend to make you painfully aware that even messed up people are human beings.
Naturally? Nah, he isn't a Joffrey, he don't want the throne but he still suffers a lot of pression from Otto and Alicen, so he copes with drinking and whoring
oh bullshit. he's saying a sob story to get out of trouble
@@MrLTiger He may be trying to use that to get out of trouble, but it's a fact that he wants to stay away from the throne while Alicent and Otto forces him to be the Green pretender
It would be better for everyone if Aemond was the firstborn. Aegon could drink and whore his way to a early grave while Aemond do the heavy lifting
@@MrLTiger your looking at it only from a surface level. Im not saying this to excuse him, I already said hes a naturally messed up kid. Im saying this to point out that even though he’s messed up, there is still more nuance to who he is as a whole.
@@MrLTiger i probably shouldnt have put “but” after saying hes messed up, cause thats his own fault, just pointing out that there is more to him than what we see. I dont think it was simply a sob story either because I personally dont even think he thinks what he did was wrong given how he spoke about it. When he responded in sadness it seemed like he genuinely feels unappreciated, not that hes just trying to get out of trouble, I dont think hes worried aboht that.
I thought this whole scene was handled well. Instead of showing the rape and humiliation on screen like was typical in got, we see the victim/survivor confiding in another woman. The focus is on the women’s feelings (dyana and Alicent) not gratuitous sexual violence. And the point is still made - we see aegon is a bad and dangerous man.
So Aegon's character is sacrificed instead. He gets no screen time all season and every appearance is intended to make the audience dislike him.
@@andyrobin7196 I mean I heard that he isn’t even like this in the books, so I do feel for Aegon in that aspect. But I wouldn’t say that not showing rape on a tv show was a reason that his character was sacrificed. I mean we don’t show diarrhoea on shows because it’s disgusting, why do we show rape so much then?
"The focus is on the woman's feelings" 😂
Stuff like this is making me agree with Jason Lannister.
@@TheStraightestWhitestlooks around
I don't like Greens but I respect Alicent some. She was kind enough to help Dyana and comfort her, when most nobles/royals would've thrown the girl in prison and/or have her executed.
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I actually felt a little bad for Aegon here. I think that's why I love this series and Game of Thrones so much. Martin is so good at making you sympathize for even the most disgusting people.
Like, I still hate Aegon, but the way his voice cracked when he said he never asked for this, the way you could still kind of hear that little child in him just wanting his parents' approval? Gah! The actor did such a good job.
Martin didn't wrote Aegon as bad as the TV version of Aegon. TV has Rhaenyra favoritism.
Alicent clearly never punished them and just let them run wild, They needed someone like Tywin or Ned for a father he would have kept them in check
Tywin didn't even know what happened to his own children.
@@dulcenicolle2827 LOL
Or Viserys should make him join the nights watch for his crime
Ned only, Tywin sucked. Had he been a better father, Jamie would have been heir, Cersei wouldn't be a bitch, and Tyrion would have been greatly respected and his abilities properly exploited.
Oh yeah Tywin did a real good job... The whole f****** realm is thankful for that... Oh wait.
😂😂lmaooo we’re gonna need more scenes with alicent and aegon the way she belittles him is crazzzy 😂😂
And this is the son Alicent is so desperate to rule...
And Rgaenyra is much better?
and people think those who support Rhaenyra are crazy
Aegon is a slytherin, he’ll do terrible but great things!
Should've had Aemond as King instead
She isn’t desperate for him to rule. She is afraid that Rhaenyra may see him and her other children as a natural rival to eliminate, after the dinner they had with Viserys ´s speech she seemed to have given up on the idea since Rhaenyra reassured her . But the Viserys told her in delirium to make Aegon king .
And you can see she is thorn over this , this is her husband’s dying wish yet she wishes no harm on Rhaenyra. She was scandalized when she realized the council wanted to proclaim Aegon king anyway.
A lot of people don’t realize we get out morals from our surroundings. Yes we have natural empathy(I believe) but if someone’s parents raised them a certain way and then they turned out to be that certain way you can’t blame them fully obviously they are still doing wrong but it’s more like a trained animal than a person
Nothing like having that first “don’t assault the help,” talk with your mum 👍🏻 We’ve ALL been there!
I think it was not the first....
Yes, very relatable scene, especially when the sister-wife walks in after the talk. So annoying
@@Chanelle208i giggled
Oh Helaena...too innocent for this world. Season Two is going to be so hard to watch.
Yeah, that’s gonna be a rough opening…
Actually I feel for Aegon (of being a first Born Prince) being pushed into a responsibility he had no say over, i mean yes he could have more self control but I feel sad that he cannot behave like a normal teenager.
lol defending rapist now
All I can say is Aegons character is the only one who has legitimately made me laugh with his line delivery
why people here solely blaming alicent for not raising aegon well as if viserys was a good father or as if alicent wasn't forced into having aegon as she was a child herself, 15 YEAR OLD and he was a product and constant reminder of her own sexual abuse (marital r*pe)?
she was used as a baby machine for male heirs for viserys meanwhile viserys neglected them, was totally a deadbeat father and clearly biased rhaenyra and didn't care they all know it, he didn't even make them feel like they're his.
but sure blame it all on alicent who at least tried to mother them and does love them. she definitely passed on the generational trauma but mostly out of survival mode, because otto planted in her head for years that if aegon isn't the heir, rhaenyra will have to kill them all in order to secure her claim.
Viserys certainly deserves more blame for the development of his and Alicent's kids then he gets. Though in his case he was never going to have an adequate amount of presence in their lives, his sickness had already eaten a good portion of his body, he was constantly at risk of death and a touch delirious at times. You could also bring up his duties as king but setting up your children right *is* a kingly duty, even the not chosen heirs
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 he had enough energy to yell at aegon and freshly permanently maimed aemond. never acting like a father to them, paddy himself said so, and during ep 7 it was most noticeable. he even threatened treason for known rumors (he knows are true) RIGHT AFTER AEMOND GOT MAIMED, completely diverting the situation. and he was not a good father to rhaenyra either. before aemma died, he didn't even consider her and was obsessed with getting a male heir. even afterwards it was alicent in episode 3 convincing him rhaenyra is the right choice and tried to help them make amends.
Interesting how Aegon appears to be detached from the pain he caused. Almost like a lack of proper love and affection has led to him developing into an emotionally detached hedonistic, desperately trying to fill the hole in his heart.
I wonder how that happened, Viserys?
People are way too sympathetic to evil characters
@@johnhenry4844 There’s a difference between understanding the inner workings of a sadist and condoning their actions
@@Isuream6331well said, some people cannot read comments properly😂
You mean to ask Alicent that. Viserys was too weak and old to look after the drunkard r*pist.
@@raf3765 They are both to blame. Viserys due to lack of involvement and Alicent due to her expectations and pressure about him being heir
Nothing like Cersei. Yes, she’s shamed Rhaenyra, that’s not excusable, but it’s because of a person grudge and vendetta. Alicent is still against the abuse of innocents and will not allow even her own children to harm others without being reprimanded. Cersei? Cersei knows the innocent don’t deserve to be harmed, but she would excuse it, she would let her son rape and murder, she would murder, and then go and drink wine like nothing happened.
Shamed?! She is a princess heir to the throne her virtue is very important hell the most important any other king she would’ve been striped of her title and sent to the wall
@@Meme-jo7uj Women can never become heirs to the throne before men, no matter what. The petty whim of Viserys is irrelevant. Rhaenyra was a usurper and a traitor, regardless if Aegon was good or bad as a person.
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I would give Olivia an Emmy just for this bit
*Alicent was so judgmental about the 'rumour' that Rhaenyra & Daemon were inappropriate in the brothel. i wonder what was her attitude towards having her son & daughter marrying each other & bearing offspring.* 🤔🤴🏼💍👸🏼🤨
I think alicent was upset at Rhaenyra, because she might have had feelings for Daemon.
She probably wouldn’t be thrilled about it, but sibling incest is expected in the Targaryens, since it’s a tradition from their Valyrian culture.
@@misspopcoin2204 *REALLY?! interesting...Hmmm!* 🤔
@@RMFeminine4TheWin Not interesting at all, and is untrue and based on literally nothing. She was mad because her dad got fucked over for telling Viserys about it, and Alicent vouched for Rhaenyra when Rhaenyra blatantly lied.
The fact she was doing it with her uncle wasn’t what bothered her , it was the fact she was doing it at all . Because she is supposed to stay a maiden until marriage.
a mother who was made to put duty over desire her entire life is forced to raise a boy heir who put desire over duty.
What did he try to do so hard I wonder? It seems that Aemond was the studious one, the dutiful one compared to Aegon. He'd jump to marry Helaena and to be the next King, I bet. He also doesn't have the same inclination as Aegon (being alcoholic and a philanderer). Does Aegon mean by marrying his sister and fathering kids--that's the 'hard' part?
I think he means trying to be someone who his parents can be proud. He's done everything Alicent has asked him to do be she won't really acknowledge any of it. Aemond on the other hand doesn't need that acknowledgement to build his self confidence. I think he realized that when he saw that Viserys didn't care about what happened to him
Aegon is a prick but when he said he didn't ask for anything and he tried to make his parents proud but it was never enough while trying not to cry made me feel sorry for him just for a split second. However he shouldn't be doing heinous things like that to women just because he doesn't live up to his parents expectations.
He can do this he king 👑
Same here I feel bad for Aegon II but raping that poor girl made him no better than his dumb mother and powerhungry grandpa 🤦
From Queen Aemmas discomport, this is where Rhanyra and Alicent devided themselves.
Alicent saw the discomfort as the only duty and Rhaenyra saw that as sacrifice.
Alicent made herself assure of at that times medieval thought imposed on themselves as the righteous path as she saw how easily Aemma was accepting her discomfort.
While Rhaenyra realised that this sacrifice will be her duty, she had to accept it and sacrifice her own desires so she could give birth more and more heirs to continue the bloodline. She cannot just ride and wander the world always. 😭😭
Then gives this monster to her daughter. How extremely sad.
Aegon legendary dude
and she seriously thinks Viserys wants HIM to be King.. ROFL
While Rhaenyra was at times vain and arrogant, easy to anger and slow to forgive she was going to be a better ruler. She was smart, had great knowledge of her kingdom, spent time in council meetings.
Aegon spent his days whoring and drinking, he had no business ruling. Otto would have wished to rule through him. Be king in all but name.
Aegon would have been content to be a figurehead while Otto ruled and the realm would have prospered like it did during the two reigns where Otto was Hand. Rhaenyra is a bad ruler who thinks the desires and opinions of the smallfolk dont matter.
@@andyrobin7196 how can you say Otto ruling would mean the realm prospered but Rhaenyra is a bad ruler when she only ruled for 6 months? The only reason she wasn't a great ruler is because she had to rule after the greens had bled the realm dry and Rhaenyra had to raise taxes. You can't possibly tell how Rhaenyra would have ruled if the throne wasn't usurped from her. Stop being biased
@@andyrobin7196 Aegon fired Otto, he lacked any sort of basic comprehension and understanding, also, the small folk adored Rhaenyra.
@@ze9614 Aegon was always a better ruler then Rhaenyra, Aegon lead his troops into battle and was adored by the small folk while Rhaenrya just relaxed in dragonstone and never stepped foot into a battle field
@@kamarismith80 Since when does making a good soldier make you a good ruler? Robert was a soldier, yet he was a horrible king, Jaehaerys I barely lifted a sword, yet he is undeniably the greatest ruler of Westeros that is documented.
Yall can say whatever yall want about how Alicent and Viserys were bad parents, but nothing, absolutely nothing can justify the horrific assault Aegon committed on that poor girl. worst part is he doesn't even regret it. I will never support a r*pist sitting on the iron throne. #teamblack
Rhaenyra forced her employee to have sex with her even though it put his life in danger and even after he asked her to stop and tried to leave the room.
Women ☕
Rhaenyra literally raped Criston Cole and would've gotten him killed if it became public knowledge. Alicent saved him. He was horribly traumatized after she abused her power to sleep with him because her uncle wouldn't. But you're okay supporting that thing because it's a woman? 😂
And that was Alicent's bet? Vyserys was not wrong in choosing Rhaenyra.
You know ageon is gonna kill her right?
@@claytonbugeja1125 You know not everyone read the books or look information up to not get spoiled right?
@@Darkestpuppet Its good thing people didn't read the books. This way they don't have something to compare the show to.
@@Medvelelet Yeah but this wasn't my point.
Lol rhaenyra is as crazy as he is. In the book she actually got laenor killed to be able to marry daemon. And even in the show she got an innocent killed in place of laenor. She's trash.
Love her so much! So beautiful actress and so interesting character.👍
“I try so hard but it will never be enough for you”
Boy, she’s not asking for much, just that you don’t be a pervy git
Actually
He never wanted to be king
He wanted to be free man
Its his mother putting pressure
@@rebekablackwood Yes, his mother caused him to be a perv. No personal responsibility for him at all. It's all mommy’s fault
Alicente did not want to see Reynira on the throne, arguing that she was a slut and could not be a real ruler at all, but what was her disappointment when it turned out that her son, whom she wanted to replace Reynira, was simply much worse
I love Alicent in this scene she’s at her wits end with Aegon. Olivia is so entertaining to watch I love her ❤
"confronts", looks like he just got bad grades or forgot to feed the pet.
While I do think that Alicent failed as a mother to raise her children properly, you can't blame her entirely since she was practically a child herself when she had Aegon. She was put through a difficult situation. Viserys and Otto should have played a more active role in the children's development so her burden could have at least been alleviated.
women reached adulthood at 14/15. she wasn’t a child
@@alaesar She was still mentally and physically not a grown woman. Law cannot makeup for lack of overall maturity/ experience.
@@alaesar women do not reach adulthood at 14/15 tf? I think you’ve mixed it up with puberty.
@Ali Chaudhry how would Otto have helped raising Aegon? We seen Otto kicking Aegon just like Alicent slapping him. Stop trying to paint Otto as some respectable person when he was a schemer and a pig. I havent read the books so I watched the show with unbiased eyes and Otto is a manipulative piece of Sh*t
In canon, Viserys married her at 18. That would've been around four years past adulthood for them already. Even in the show I'm pretty sure she was around 18. That's why Viserys married her instead of Laena, who was 9 and whom he'd have to wait 5 years for. Alicent was already an adult.
*"You're no son of mine"*
OH SH!T THAT WAS SOMETHING 😧
So many people hate alicent for everything she’s done since aegons birth, but truely she is a nice person
There's a difference between being a nice person and being a good person
If only Daeron was the first born.
Or Aemond. What don't know how Daeron would have turned out if he hadn't been sent away. But Im going to guess not that much different from how he turned out
With Alicent's tears and hug at the end, I was legitimately unsure whether she'd actually poisoned Dyana.
She didn't. She gave her moon tea. Why the fuck would she give her money and then proceed to poison her?
@@ariyuril
To convince her she wasn't going to poison her.
@@dubbeking That's season 8 levels of stupid, bro.
@@ariyuril
Deception? Couldn't be Game of Thrones.
@@dubbeking Deception is for the court with the highborns, not for smallfolk and servant girls. If Alicent wanted her dead she can just slit her throat and no one would bat an eye. Also this has already been debunked by the showrunners, it was tea.
Not Alicent pulling out Tywin's last words.
When Alicent Told Aegon he was no Son of hers, it was that moment she had finally given up on him. She wanted so desperately for her Son to become King, but Aegon didn’t give a Damn.
And yet one episode later, she had him made king.
Only after hearing Viserys telling her of the Song of Ice and Fire. Alicent believed he was talking about their son.
@@naeriontargaryen6818 Actually she was already considering him being king as soon as episode 6. Recall that after Rhaenyra had Joffrey, when Alicent tells Aegon purely by existing, he challenges Rhaenyra's status as heir. And Alicent tells him she knows he's meant to be king one day.
@@SaiyanSweetheart45 and yet, Aegon didn’t care much for wanting to be king
This is what happened between the Queen and Prince Andrew🤣🤣
"You are no son of mine."
Aegon would not have made a good king at all. That's not to say that I think Rhaenyra would be better, I'm only a Blacks supporter because I know that Jacaerys would be an excellent king when he succeeded his mother.
Rhaenyra would have been better than aegon he is a low bar to clear
Targaryens generally aren't good kings
But he's a bastard
@@faisalkamal4319 There have been a few good Targaryen kings.
Rhaenyra = Maegor with teats
If I did this, my grandma would have whooped my ass.
In real life, these 2 casts are only 2 years apart in age!🤯🤯🤯
Well in the show Alicent and Aegon have only 17 - 18 years of difference
Now alicent won't question her son where is the duty ? She made him a king
Westeros would be a paradise if aemond the manly had ascended the throne
I mean, did Aegon even have a mother or father? He has a mother who is clearly ashamed of him and a father who doesn't really care about his existence. Understand people, where children are lacking and become outcasts of society, it's mostly the parents who are at blame. Sure not always, but mostly. Just caring and loving your children doest alot. It's more than enough to make your child feel loved
and she wanted HIM to be the king and not Rhaenya?!
alicent was never a bad person, she was a victim, ppl need to see that.
He needed a cast iron upside the head, but he wasn't wrong. They were both forced their into the role, and the person who the vision was about didn't even come from her kids. It was the supposed to follow Rhanera's.
Then had the audacity to say your no son of mine. 😂😂😂 What type of sense is that?
I’m so happy and grateful this isn’t me 😊
Just a slap? You would’ve gotten the whole room thrown at you, then I’m turning you in. But I will have my Justice first, as the person who bore that monster.
Alicent coming to realise the consequences and it will get worse.
1:00 “And I try! Oh, my gods, do I try! I try all the time in this institution.”
The way I didn’t get a single important word from this convo.
The only diffrence between him and his sister is that he knows he shouldnt rule.
Sexual assualt not withstanding I see
She did the right confronting him.
Haven’t watched the season in a while, but this may be the only coherent statement Helena makes for the entirety of it. Everything else is riddles.
What is it? What is it? 😂😂😂 Never makes to fail me laugh. The sarcasm lol
The actors who potrayed them are 1 year are apart in age💀
I can't believe he ends up defeating Rhaenyra in the end.
Killing her and defeating her are not the same thing though…. She raises the kids who would then go on to defeat him. Rhaenyra’s death is probably going to traumatise people more than anything in GoT so far.
Team green ftw. Fuck Rhaenyra
@@pwslattery Considering Rhaenyra was 'maegor with teats' by the time she died and was so batshit crazy even Daemon had abandoned her I actually see people cheering for her death when it comes
@@hadokenraikiri6977 I never thought of it that way.
It would make Daemon's ending in history more realistic. Because with the way he and Rhaenera are protrayed in the show, it looks like nothing would make them leave each other's side.
After all, his body was never found. Some believe he fell in love with Neetles, (book reader know who she is) meaning he abandoned Rhaenera, and actually survived the battle with Aemond but let people think he was dead so he could escape.
Escape Rhaenera or escape the war I don't know, but he definitely never went back to Rhaenera.
@@blayzestarlight1886 He never went back cuz he died lmao. Doesn't matter his body wasn't found. No one survives a fall from that height
How did Alicent raise two psychos??
I am just curious, why did Aegon turn this way? I know he's technically fatherless, but he's a royal child. He should have been more shy and sheltered on an absence of a father figure, not turned into some sleazebag. I mean, who was his friends???
Even Aemond still grew up to be a proper lad(He still holds grudges, I know, but he acts like a normal royal child).
Cersei would have killed her Alicent's way better