$50 DIY vs $450 PRO Acoustical Panels (Worth It?) - Echo & Sound Proofing
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2019
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(Please note that although I'm a podcaster, I'm not a professional acoustics expert or sound engineer. I did my best trying to test these panels against each other and share the results, but if you're expecting a PRO level analysis, this is not the place).
There are a lot of options for acoustical and sound proofing solutions for recording podcasts and videos, but I was just curious - which works better: cheap egg crate sound panels you can buy on Amazon, or professional acoustical treatment solutions?
Well, let's test and see!
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I solved my acoustics problem by leaving my clothes littered around my bedroom
hahaha that shit does work!
Wait til your mother finds out!
If you only cover part of one or two walls with cheap foam, of course you're going to still get echo. I bought two 96 packs of these Amazon tiles for about $180 and covered the walls of my studio. It's a night and day difference and still $270 less than the pro tiles recommended here.
If you're on a budget, you can also fill your studio with chairs, lighting equipment, a desk, monitors, a camera + tripod, desks, pictures, shelves, etc. The more stuff in the room, and the fewer exposed flat surfaces, the better your results will be.
If you need more i can give you at $150 for 96
Which have the self adhesive so you don't have to put tape on it
your last sentence isnt true, because it depends on the room
For less than $20 each you can make panels that perform as well as the expensive panels in this video, and you'll end up with much better sound because it will absorb a wider frequency range than the cheap foam, which only absorbs high frequencies. And you won't have to coat your entire walls of your studio because a few well placed panels will have a better effect.
Obviously I’m going to go with the DIY version, but the pro ones do sound great
Same
For anyone here looking into purchasing acoustic treatment for a home theater or studio, here are a few things you should know:
1. Generally speaking, acoustic panels are better than acoustic foam, however, acoustic panels generally are made with fiberglass, so it can hazardous.
2. If you're looking to treat a bedroom like studio (3.5m W x 3.5m L x 2.5m H), my personal opinion would be to purchase acoustic foam (perhaps from Auralex or another more trustworthy brand), enough to cover the primary reflection points and a bit on the back wall.
3. When it comes to bass traps, nothing beats acoustic panels, so, if you REALLY don't want to use acoustic foam (due to pricing, aesthetics, etc) another solution is to use polyester insulation batts and DIY the frames yourself.
I'm an audio engineer, not an acoustician, your situation might be different to mine - number one rule: Don't buy cheap foam, these videos are really an unfair comparison.
Good looking out 👍
Video starts at 11:03 where there are examples. Thank me later.
ok thanks
True hero
Comparison starts at 11:02
Thank you
Wow, this is not even a valid test, this is a commercial, nothing less.
Dude, ill completely agree that the expensive ones were better, BUT youre deaf if you didnt hear the huge difference with the addition of the cheap ones; it was night and day.
You bait us in with "soundproofing" in your title. And when your son asks you say specifically it's not soundproofing. If that's not clickbait I don't know what is
Its magic of editing
Hahaha on god
I think it's not clickbait. Most people don't know the difference between treating a room and soundproofing a room.
None of them here are for soundproofing. So yeah, he didn't know that, most likely. The disclaimer in the description explains it.
This isn’t click bait this is in a whole other level this is catfished”
I heard a lot of difference between the bare walls an the $50 set of panels. Less difference between the $50 & $400 solutions. If I were to choose, I'd go with twice as many of the cheaper panels.
The solution I implemented in my studio is a backdrop frame with 3 different color bedsheets. Frame was $35, sheets were $9 each at Walmart. Double duty - choice of background color to go with what I'm wearing, and no discernible echo on my recordings.
This. ☝
Yup, this. Put 4 "cheap" panels on all 3 walls (he left the back wall empty) and he'd get the same, if not better, result than the 6 expensive ones for half the money
You can make basically the same thing as the pro panels for not much more these foam ones, and they will be extraordinarily better.
Make a simple 2ft x 4ft wooden frame that is 4 inches thick. Buy rigid fiberglass or rockwool, put it in the frame and cover it with a sheet. I used to do this all the time, it’s extremely easy and you can make 3 or 4 panels for $100. These are the same materials a lot of pro panels use.
I get that you have a sponsor, so you had to praise them, but the difference from pro to budget was not huge, those foam pads make a ginormous difference
Are you deaf?
he was basically saying if you cant afford the pros you're a piece of shit lmaoo
Scripted as shit if you ask me
If you have used 2 inch thick acoustic foam instead of the 1 inch, then the result would be much better.
I bought these but I when I took them out of the vacuum seal to let them grow I completely forgot about them. After them growing for many years, I discovered two of them went on to have kids, the other got a university degree and went on to become a well respected architect, and tragically the other had unfortunately died. It has been an emotional time for me.
lmao
😂😂😂
i love how he tells his son its not sound proofing but it still says sound proofing in the title, lol
Obviously, he was going to say Audimute is the way to go because they sponsored this video. There might be a bias here.
Maybe, but the difference is so perceivable. And 77 bucks is actually a steal.
You could always build your own for cheap, or get much thicker foam ones. I think under 2 inches you'll barely notice a difference, but with 2+ inches you can just about eliminate echo in a room.
Rockwool 3" Safe 'n' Sound insulation will run you around 50 bucks for 12 panels at 16x48 and work amazingly well. Make a simple frame and use acoustically transparent material for them. I made 4 large bass traps and 10 panels for 100 bucks. Acoustic treatment works by converting sound to heat which you almost always need thick material for (hence 3" thick insulation). leaving a 1" gap between the wall and panel doubles the effect.
Agreed! That's what I did.
These aren't bass traps.
The pro panels were better but not $400 better. I'm sure if you bought an extra pack of the cheap foam or even bought thicker ones in the first place you would have gotten much better results for $100 vs $450, but then again, the video was sponsored. Also, a little bit more care could have been taken to at least make the DIY panels look presentable
he made less noise with the expensive ones as well you can clearly hear it. He just really wanted the expensive ones to be good.
umm how do you know I was exactly searching this topic
10:56 for the best comparison
Nice methodology and hard work to get this video created so well. Definite like!
This video could have been 10 minutes shorter.
I'm no professional when it comes to soundproofing, but here's my assessment of this particular situation.
First off, the audimute panels are grand. Price wise & quality. Even when using poor quality headphones you can hear the sound deaden & also somehow add more clarity to the 1khz to maybe 2khz vocal range. (Maybe due to the bass reduction from the panels)
Second, the test was kinda flawed due to the acoustic foam being 1" thick and the panels 2 to maybe 3" thick. (Not sure if you mentioned the # precisely) Causing the audimute to trump the panels due to being able to absorb more.
Lastly, I must say, each situation is different. Do not just buy anything just because it looks nice, or cause you've watched one UA-cam video. Research the product and materials used to get the best results that 'you' need for your particular project. Personally I own panels and foam but still having audio issues so I just might invest into these particular panels
With the foam, you can soak them in water and let them dry. They spring up to their full height.
Your smart aren’t u
11:02 what you came for
To me there was a huge difference between no insulation and the foam. From the foam to the professional wall there was minor difference. It looks like you simply want to feel like you didn’t throw away your money 😂😅
Foam is perfectly fine, it really just matters what frequency the sound is, because the foam doesn't work so well at stopping deeper sounds
Agree 100%. Those echoes disappeared with the foam. There WAS a difference from foam to professional wall, just not as big.
Pretty sure the 450 dollars panels were sponsored.
I heard a very good difference in the Amazon panels. Tbh I didn't really expect it would work that great. I don't know why he is saying no big difference. The expensive ones were better but not as much. Definitely not worth spending that extra money other than for a clean look.
Listening to this, I heard at least as big a difference between no treatment and the foam panels as I did between foam and the professional panels. Almost all the harsh echo was removed by the foam. To be honest, the professional panels almost sounded too dead - if I envision recording singing vocals, the foam was closer to the sound I’d be looking for.
That said, none of the sounds you tested were low spectrum. Your voice is maybe high baritone, so there’s a whole range of lower stuff which my guess is the foam panels wouldn’t handle. Really should have compared a wider range of frequencies.
Hey Pat this reminds me of when I set up my first music school. We had good luck with the cheap stuff on the wall underneath a tapestry FWIW. . . and believe it or not, towels work really well acoustically, so I've stapled those under something more aesthetically pleasing too and it's worked really well on a budget 😜
it would have been a better comparison to use 2" foam. those foam panels have 50% cutouts, so a 1" panel is really only about 1/2" effective average thickness. with 2" foam, you would get a 1" effective thickness. if you wanted to be completely fair, you would get 3" foam, which would be 1.5" average thickness. The Audimute panels have 1.5" continuous thickness. So it is not fair to compare a 1/2" effective thickness to a 1.5" average thickness. That is giving the Audiomute a 3:1 advantage. If you got 2" foam, you could line all the walls for $450. Then the foam would certainly surpasss the Audimute panels in sound deadening. The Audio mute also probably costs a lot more to ship. So if you put that shipping cost into more foam, you could also cover a good part of the ceiling as well.
So if you don't care what your place looks like, you can definitely get more mileage per dollar spent with foam. But the Audimute panels get a lot done per square foot, and they look nice. So if you want a nice looking room and don't want it covered with sound deadening, the Audimute is a fine option. The Audimute is actually reasonably priced for this stuff. It is sort of intergalactic how expensive this stuff can get. For the professional podcaster in the video, the Audimute is a good choice. The foam wins on cost and installation customization. The Audimute wins on appearance and efficiency per square foot.
Video was obviously paid by that acoustic Co., like you said the guy was comparing apples and oranges, you don't need carpenter skills to make pine wood frames and line them with 2 inch foam and cover them with cloth which would end up costing less than half of those "pro" panels and would probably be as good
1:11 "ahh it stinks!"
*Inhales deeply*
i do the same with my farts
Title: sound proofing and echo reduction
Kid: so, this is for sound proofing?
Pat: nope, just echo reduction
Thanks for wasting my time..
that kid is a time saver
Stop asking if it stops the sound from going outside !
Those three panels cover no more than 5% of the room surface. Seriously, how do you think it would soundproof a room ?
And even if you cover the whole room with two layers of panels, the sound will still be heard from outside, at much reduced volume of course, but that will cost you thousands !
This is designed to prevent sound from bouncing off the wall.
Soundproofing a room in completely different thing and will actually cost less than covering the lesser square inch with panels...
But you will still need panels after that ;)
So it stops sound from coming in ur room ?
6:31
Definetley helped the flutter echoes. But as he said he isn't a audio engineer so he treated what works for him and his needs. For studio people you will want more treatment to treat and focus on certain spots in the room. First reflection points and corners are where most problems are. Then any parallel surface with create that flutter echo so treat as much as possible with your budget. Also bass isn't treated with thin foam so to help modal ringing get tamed use materials like recycled denim, rockwool or rigid fiberglass in your acoustic panels. Those material help absord lower frequencis. If you choose to go the foam route then get corner bass traps that have good NRC ratings.
Raw Technique Studios we want an in depth video about all accostic ways and different between pannels an all.. thanks
Raw Technique Studios how long did that take to write Jesus christ
@@GlitchedWalker1 couple seconds lol
If you stick the cheap ones onto 1.5 thick styrofoam panels you’d still get a much cheaper solution achieving the same results as the Audimute!
Foam density on the DIY was not good. The better panels are just more dense. You can find more dense foam for DIY and much cheaper than the ready to go products.
I was thinking the same thing...1" tiles would do very little...a minimum of 2" foam density tiles are needed to dampen sound on walls.
@@jayswafford If you are going DIY, you are better off making absorbers with rockwool and diffusers. Foam just isnt a great material for absorbtion
Follow my ig dragonballbeatz would love to hear more about your acoustic solutions im currently in the process of building a studio
trying to figure out where to put them in my husbands office so I hear him less while gaming. Whats your advice??
Divorce him, Margaret
@@MamaFeng damn my dude
@@MamaFeng umm no. bye.
I use $13 mattress foam from Walmart. More bang for your buck
great solution. I'm all over it.
Good idea, and if you cover more wall, because you now can, then you'll get greater effect
So, double or triple coverage with the cheapies and save a few hundred peanuts - I truly believe that production costs do not justify the mark up. Hey, what about carpet' framed and wall-mounted obviously, with the foam underlayment? You could add a bit of personality that way, too, and it still sounds a lot cheaper...
Thanks for sharing, but I think it could be more accurate if you use a recorded audio rather thanks you clapping or your voice. Cause we all know that every clap is different to the one we do few minutes later because of many factors and the same goes for every word we say. But if a recorded audio is used and is positioned at exact same place it would be better result...
With the price of a single wall made up with the high quality shit, you can easily build up a soundproof fortress with the cheap one and start being the new Dexter
you cant soundproof with foam
Towels are as good as the acoustic panels, watched a guy a few days ago make panels from charity shop towels 6 towels on rack frame and it was incredible
just watched it and came here glad to find a comment like this. Go check people
What was the video?
ua-cam.com/video/pABvTWSxOes/v-deo.html
Thank me later
Spend another 50 bucks on blank canvas with wood frames. Glue the 50 dollar foam to it and you'll have much better results exactly the same sound as a high end audiomute panel. TOTAL COST 100 bucks. Same performance
Would you buy a blank canvas for each one? So 48 total?!
BlaQ Sham no, you build a box the same size as the professional ones. Wrap it in canvas and then put the foam on top of that. Then hang on the walls.
@@ShamBlaq no. no, you build a box the same size as the professional ones. Wrap it in canvas and then put the foam on top of that. Then hang on the walls. Exactly what @Travis Haggerty replied. I'll be making a video doing this for anyone interested on my youtube in about a week.
@@TheDevinstreet hell ya...just moved in so I'm trying to do exactly that to my new room!!!
BlaQ Sham gotcha man. I’ll let you know when I post it
It should not be allowed to do sponsored videos without mentioning clearly this is an ad.
They did not pay me or ask me to shoot this video, but I did mention they sent me the panels for free.
Guys do not try the double sided tape you will just waste your time base on my experience after few hours it will fall down use a Insolation adhesive spray
I was going to start by asking if you are at WeWorks but you answered that question. We had the same issue and solved it with the more expensive professional panels. I can definitely hear the difference in your environment.
Wow, you guys put in a lot of effort in setting up these tests. Respect.
Just Incase anybody really wants to know.
Acoustic Foam, is garbage, but has its place. It only kills high end frequencies, above 12khz. So if you are having problems with your low mids or bass frequencies, foam will do adsolutely NOTHING to help you.
These panels are stuffed with insulation that is extremely packed and dense, and is meant for “Broadband absorption” which means, absorbing frequencies in all bandwidths of the frequency spectrum, which means if will help break up low mids and bass frequencies, as well as high mids and treble.
If you have already balanced your room in the low mids and bass, but are still having high end issues, that’s where foam can come into play, and really help diffuse your top end.
Foam has its place, but if you notice, if you go into the worlds top recording studios, you will not see foam anywhere
Dont know where you're getting this info. If you google image search 'top recording studios' you'll see plenty of foam, the quietest rooms in the world are literally just rooms coated in foam.
@@42069memesyeah they might be the quietest rooms, but they also sound bad
Great vid! Bouncing through each version worked great!
It would be really cool if you showed us and talked about what the expensive panels are made of and why they absorb reflection better.
Dude, I wanted to know about sound proofing so I can play guitar at a comfortable volume level in my flat. You clearly clarified that that is not what you are doing here today to your son...but that's exactly what this video's title says it will do... both sound proofing and acoustic panelling.
Any pointers on sound proofing?
Clear difference. Maybe if the cheaper stuff was mounted on the wall with no gaps between panels? Thanks for sharing.
I wonder that too. At 1/10th the cost, you could afford to cover more space, and therefore more Potential echo surface.
@@richardsummers8805 exactly.
The thing about it is you need mass to stop lower frequencies the foam will only stop very high end frequencies. The thicker fiberglass or rockwool panels will stop a larger frequency spectrum and therefore more echo. You can build a panel identical to the high end one for around 30 to 40$ each and drastically change the response of the room. The foam wont ever do anything even if you plaster the whole room in it
I'm watching this because I stream on Twitch and I have to whisper if I stream at night because my parents get mad lolol
same lol... You found a solution?
Acoustic treatment wont help unfortunately, maybe slightly, you need to soundproof which unfortunately is an expensive game
These aren't for soundproofing. These foams are for treating the room acoustics, not for soundproofing. They're there to make you sound better or make you be able to listen better to your speakers or both.
I'm sensing quite a bit of bias going into the comparison. Obviously you either have your own opinion before you started, or you were compensated for this video be Audimute.
Not paid. They sent these over as I mentioned in the video.
Are there hanging panel frames I could insert the cheaper foam from Amazom into back-to-back for two way echo isolation? I was planning to convert the area I currently use as my bedroom into a recording space/office.
The difference is definitely Clear!!! I’m definitely going pro! Thank you
bank accounts saying no
Yeah it could be that he is doing it on purpose to sell rhe value of the pro, cant you hear tje difference in the strength in the clap, hell even the 2nd clap gave it away 10:35
How do you know that you clapped your hands at the same volume in both tests ? Wish you would have used a recording of you clapping and then used that same recording at the same volume level in both tests.
Its not about the volume its about reverb, lmfao
This was very entertaining during quarantine, thank you
Gosh haha
Same
To be honest i couldnt tell a distinct difference between the cheap and the pro
Use pro headphones and you will
Girls when they open up a guys pants 1:02
Wow , XD
xD
Wow! those Audimute panels absolutely helped with the echo. Couldn't believe there was that much of a difference. Thanks pat, this video was super helpful.
Corey Corpodian because those foam ones he put on there were a joke and poorly placed.
Him to his son: no its not sound proofing The title that he wrote: SoUnD pRoOfInG
The contradiction 😂
I’m actually amazed at what a big difference just a few panels made. What kind of a difference did the few panels make to soundproofing though, not just the echo? I’m planning to soundproof the area I game/listen to music in so I don’t annoy my neighbour.
Acoustic treatment and soundproofing isnt the same thing. If u have a full room with these pads the outside will still hear u. You need very dense materials to stop the sound. Thick walls and so on. You know what i mean? But this work wonders for echo
I made an extra wall layer on one sides of my mediaroom to make it moore neighbour friendly. A "floating" room would be the best option to completely remove the sound.
@Anthony Ferraez X putting up another layered wall? It helps. I dont hear him and i havent gotten a complain. Fill the gap with some mineral wool between the layers make it even better. I have a 45mm gap with no wool because of i use it for cable management aswell
i just bought 12 of the cheap ones to put on my wall for my small studio monitors. They actually helped out with the low end from the speakers but i think that's about it. Time to get bigger monitors for me
lol
“Hey this is Pat Flynn from SmartPassiveIncome.com”
Thank you. I am looking at their site now. A better alternative then using shiplap on our walls in the living room. They offer a "wood" style that should offer the look my wife wants, but the sound quality I want.
Wow didn’t expect that much difference!
The expansion was very satisfying.
Oh yeah, I definitely noticed the difference. Awesome video!
I pretty sure he’s just toning down his voice for the expensive one
And he was sponsored
Lol
Cynic LOL
“Oh, it stinks!” *sniffs more*
huge difference, the pro acoustical panels are on another level
What are the dimensions of those audimute panels? I only see 3x3 as their largest size on the website. I’m looking for 3x5
I could, instantly hear the difference... But, in certain situations the cheaper panel still lets you hear the "room" which will help later in the studio!!!
Jeez shameless advertising
That red one totally killed it.. informative 👍👍👍
1" foam is not gotta do much, gotta use 2" foam or thicker. Still cheaper than the professional panels
This type of foam is a poor absorption material no matter what you do. The pro panels are almost always made from Owens Corning 703 or Rockwool, which are both much denser materials that absorb a wider range of frequencies than the foam, which isn't dense enough so it only absorbs higher frequencies. I agree with your point thought that 1" thick foam is especially thin to compare to anything.
moving blanket make the same thing like the 450$ one but it's all room and I play drum in and they had zero echo so it's great... and they don't cost extreme money :P
I definitely heard the difference. The Audimute panels reduced the echo greater than the Amazon foam... but the foam did work, just not to the same degree. Thanks for taking time to post this vid.
The only thing I don't like is the claps could be inconsistent very good video still
I need this item for my dungeon so neighbor won't hear scream 😌
what
This is for sound absorption not sound proofing. You'll just hear better quality scream.
Awesome video!!!! Is this in a co-working space? Looks amazing!
Can I use it in my apartment ceiling to reduce the noise from my upper neighbors tv! Thank you
probably not, they would have to put them on their floor to reduce noise lol
No, you cannot.
Sound absorbers is for absorbing sound IN the room. Sound insulation (FROM another room) is something compleatly different.
@@laurabrown7468 I called the police one Time and didn't hear any noise since then
I bought these panels after this helpful video but I was not impressed with the quality. They fabric had pulled away from the frame. Did yours come like that also?
48 for 50 vs 1 professional one for 100$... that is an insane price difference...
So are you promoting the brand panels or demonstrating an actual test? Bc you can stack the .5 inch foam for an even more dampening sound and make actual panels. Not garbage cardboard ones.
Pat Flynn how did the Audimute ceiling tiles work out? I searched for your video regarding them and could not find anything! I'm thinking of maybe getting the ceiling tile but am curious as to their weight and the best way to connect to ceiling without damage.
Very helpful video! Completely random, but what brand is your wooden desk/table that you have shown in the middle of the room? I’m shopping for a desk for my office right now. Appreciate it!
there definitely was a difference, its all up to preference too, the $70 dollar one’s covered way better, the Amazon 48 Count worked good but, .... were swept away by the other one’s unfortunately, i just bought some from Amazon too, i plans to use them Too, great video too, Thanks for your sharing ability 💪🏾☺️
i certainly heard the difference, but since you dont put any panel on that wall on the back, there a slight piercing echo coming from there. especially when you put up the expensive one.
So u are saying that setup worth 450 is better than 45$... no shit Sherlock -.- but for the cost of the expensive one u can have 450 of cheeper ones and that will be much better than 6 reaaaaaaly expensive ones u can get 80 of sth in middle ground (thicker ones, still tiles tho) for 200 bucks and still get better results.
More of the cheap foam is not equal to the high quality panels, because they only absorb very high frequencies, leaving you with a poor sounding room. That being said, you can make DIY panels for about $20 each that work as well as the expensive ones, so that's what I've done and would recommend. Low cost and pro results.
What if you went and bought large canvas art from wherever (a thrift store to be cheap) and filled the inside of them with the cheap panels? Maybe a double layer? Not sure how the total cost would compare to the pro one. I know you can get art acoustic purpose made ones but they're aren't cheap!
Lol I like how the package was thrown at you 😂
Night and Day buddy. I'm going to Audimute office on Thursday for a Tour
The foam explosion was satisfaction
You can DIY the pro panels for less. I was able to get 12 of the 24x48x2 panels for 250 bucks and about 15 hours of work.
what did you use? intersted in making some myself
@@xviciousgamer5431 I used Roxul rockwool, you can also use Owens Corning 703 insulation. I went to the local lumber yard and spent 60 bucks on 1x6 boards and ripped them down to 2 inches to build the frame. I wrapped the frames in Burlap.
I guess vacuum packing is new thing to this guy 😂😂😂
The second echo reducing panel is pretty good.
I need one of those shirts lol, thanks for the video! You're the man! 👉👉
Was this room soundproof treated or anything done to it before the panels?
Love that you are rocking the Silicon Valley shirt. Great Great show and awesome content my man.