[REVIEW] First LG OLED with Next-Gen MLA + Burn-In Warranty!
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2024
- We review LG's first OLED display with MLA+ panel & 2-year warranty that covers burn-in, namely the 32-inch 32GS95UE monitor with 240Hz/ 480Hz Dual Mode & Pixel Sound technology. To find out more about this monitor, please visit: bit.ly/4aPcTVv
The "Includes paid promotion" message in this video refers to the sponsorship by LG who asked us to review this monitor. We accepted the sponsorship only on the condition that we get to maintain 100% editorial independence, which is why this video is exactly like our unbiased technical reviews where we point out the pros and cons of the display being tested, so potential buyers can make an informed decision.
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Man you got me thinking this was your G4 review with that title
yeah i clicked fast thinking the same thing, still liking the vid cus Vincent is my pookie
Battyman
Same. Vincent is such a tease. 😆
Same Vincent got us good. Would love an OLED 27" 1440p 240Hz VRR monitor someday though.
Me too
Thanks Vincent for your excellent review on this monitor! Looking forward to your LG G4 review.
Solid video! Loved the blur comparison picture!
Its really great to see you reviewing oled monitors.
Please keep reviewing high end monitors!!! if you could post your recommended settings too would be great!
Yes, i agree though i think the tests have to be done ourselves as each monitor will be very slightly different.
Here waiting for the G4 review 🙏🏻
Vincent, what is your opinion on the new QD-OLED vs WOLED monitors? Which do you prefer?
42c4😀
@@314LAL
Mind = Blown! 5/5 Review.
Came here for the G4 review, left with my pants round my ankles.
Saw this before even starting the video so now I'm both very confused and somewhat excited
its just weird that lg is more expensive than ASUS PG32UCDM but it doesn't have dolbyvision and only 2 year warranty while the asus is 3 .
Lg pricing at its finest
Add annoying fan instead of heatsink to negatives too.
And nasty Matt screen
anyone in this thread. if im looking for a 27 inch oled monitor what should I get? I have a 3080TI 5900x system for gaming. If I can get it at best buy even better so I can finance and use my credit
For the price, it should have Dolby vision and everything else
Hi Vincent, please could you do a video explaining all the different display settings for an apple tv 4k box and which are the best to choose?
Mainly im curious about what you would choose for the hdmi output setting and the chroma setting?
Thank you!
He made a video recommending YCrCb 4:4:4 chroma so people don’t get confused about the RGB Limited/Full settings, but the Apple TV’s YCbCr has a green tint you can see in like 10% grey so others recommend RGB High as long as you set your TV properly to RGB Limited. You should also set it to SDR and 60fps and set match framerate and dynamic range to on.
@HDTVTest does lg oled g4 / c4 has rgwb pixel layout?
The dual mode is awesome. Can easily get high fps in select esports fps games. I'll wait for the Asus one to see how that one is.
We just need proper max Hz BFI and sync options on OLED monitors.
At 1080p resolution, sharpness is very poor - for example, the head of an enemy in PUBG at a distance of 400m becomes just one pixel.
@@314LA many play at 1080p or even lower for competitive games
@@StaySic4Ever Yes, but on 24-25", not on 32"
@@314LA basically on 32" it would be like people play cs at sub 1080p res so. Really it wouldn't be an issue for competitive games, I played at very low resolutions no problem, that look worse then 1080p 32". Also there will be option to lower size of displayed image.
@@314LA in esports this doesn't matter your looking for pixel movement and that extra FPS makes motion clairty impeccable doubling from 240hz so essentially you can see movement way better and its all in focus when your focus firing.
Great review. Are you planning on reviewing the new 4k 32" QD-OLED monitors as well?
What cll/mdl metadata combinations do you use for testing the eotf tracking? 10:38 why can't the monitor even reach 600 nits, although capable of >1000nits? This sort of tonemapping doesn't make sense in any way, is the monitor set to peak brightness:low thus clipping at 450 nits here? thx
Awesome review! :D (But Plasma still have better motion clearity. :p )
It seems that the LG C2 42" is still one of the best PC 120Hz OLED monitors and perfect for everything but esports
Nice monitor. I hope they will improve the brightness and color volume in next gen.
Just waiting for a 42 inch 4K 240Hz version. So used to my 42inch C2 now that I don't want to downgrade to 32 inch.
Hi, Vincent, when you gonna make a G4 review?
0:12 Was it because of angle view or did you move your camera faster that alien picture in ufo test?
I hope LG brings 240hz and 480hz to their TVs. 48" is my size preference now.
48" is perfect as a PC monitor, for gaming and even watching movies (for 1 person sitting close).
Not an option for now unfortunately, due to the limitations of HDMI, and there ain't no way they're gonna start putting displayport on those things. HDMI is super desirable for it's DRM.
@@TheGinGear Why do you need displayport?
I don´t need 240Hz honestly. This is only interesting for esport games. Todays Game engines can´t really push 240fps, you run into CPU bottlenecks at 150fps or so even with the best available hardware. I just want to have the MLA Panel in the 48" size with 120 or 144Hz. I think i will never change to a different size again. it´s perfect for me. 55" G series is too big for gaming with a viewing distance of 1m.
Nah it's way too big@@Bigtymer781
I just don’t get why things like HGIG and being able to adjust colour temp in HDR is in LG tv’s but not monitors 🤦
please compare it with the QD-OLED panels that are being used in the other 32 inch OLED monitors coming out! i can only trust you on this Vincent!!!
Can with have an eta for the g4 review please
In 1080p you are CPU bound - you need a beast of a CPU if you pair it with a 4090 if you want to run games at stupidly fast frame-rates :)
These 480 mhz screens are over the top. When most people will be playing around 60-120, anyways at higher resolutions.
@@georgejones5019 There is already frame generation tech being used to increase framerate (like interpolation on TVs but running inside the game engine, so more content aware), so I wouldn't be surprised if games in the near future will be able to match any refresh rate your monitor has, although without improving the responsiveness.
Yep, there are many games that can absolutely hit 4080hz or higher with fast enough single threaded CPU performance. The 4090 is not the issue.
Useless going above 144
Someone wants 960fps ? Come on
@@gmgm2410 it is not useless
loved the 15 fps gameplay =P
Please, make a thorough review of the Alienware 32 UHD QD-OLED monitor! It might be the only QD-OLED UHD monitor available here in Brazil and I want to use it instead of a LG C1 for color grading work.
I wonder how the LG C4 OLED fares against these new 32-inch monitors. I like the 42-inch size better than 32, but there's simply no "monitor" offerings out there that match the LG C2/C3 OLED tv's at that same size it seems.
Unfortunately LG kinda dropped the LG C Series OLED TVs in 42" and 48" as High-End Monitors as they can sell these smaller Monitors at a much higher price. Therefore the small TV models need to lack some features, even compared to the 55"+ Model of the same series. My CX 48" is still great and it´s the perfect size for my setup, but so far, it doesn´t look like there is a true successor for it coming. Waiting for the MLA Panel to come to the 48" C series but it will be a long wait. Even if C series gets it next year, i´m certain it will only be for the 55" model and up.
What about the chrominance overshoot? Is it any better because of the changed pixel layout?
@HDTVTEST hey there could you use your leo bodnar input lag tester and let me know the results at 60hz and 120hz 1080p and 4k 60hz?
It's often not the GPUs that are holding back very high frame rates, it's the CPU. I have the Alienware 360hz QD-OLED monitor and I play The Finals. I have a 4090, it tops out at about 65% utilization at 1440p, and I'm only getting about 280fps. This is because my 7800X3D is the bottleneck. The 4090 should be good for about 400 fps, once my CPU can keep up.
Not really a solvable problem, since Dennard scaling started dying almost 20 years ago and the frequency increases got stuck. Many algorithms have to be sequential and wait for results of previous operation, so no amount of CPU cores or improvements to game engines are gonna solve it, if the game is too complex.
That's why having a 480Hz and kicking on DLSS3 would be killer.
Nice choice for a game.
@@kazioo2 look into CPU overclocking, especially RAM speed. It is absolutely possible for many games to display 480hz with fast enough single-threaded CPU performance, so it is not generally an unsolvable problem (well, maybe it is for AMD cpus, lol). Also there are certain GPU dependent games like Q2RTX where even normal CPUs can scale to 480hz, as well as Nightdive remasters of old classic games where CPU performance is already 1000hz+ even on weaker CPUs.
Dude 4090 is a 4K card
Or use LN2 in your cpu at 8ghz and get 480fps wait…. More than 144hz is nonsense…. Or you mahbe think out eyes can see 1000 fps?
Shouldnt integer scaling solve the "fuzzy text" problem at 1080p?
better woled or qd oled ????? for this monitors ??
Has he also reviewed any of the 32 inch 240hz 4k QDOLEDs?
Anyone notice pixel cleaning missing from the menu? Wonder why that is
I guarantee that the burn in warranty will contain a reasonable usage clause. That will be their way out of paying out. Anyway, if burn in is a thing of the past now with oled, then why is there any need for a burn in warranty?
Even if they do respect the warranty, they often send refurbished replacements with their own issues. Burn-in is a question of when, not if, all the countermeasures just delay the inevitable.
Just bought the monitor. What are the RGB settings you used to the the accurate colors?
His settings for that would not be applicable to your panel, since this kind of thing varies panel to panel. You'd need to either perceptually match with a known accurate display, or get some proper calibration equipment/a professional calibrator to adjust yours properly.
W-Oled peak brightness should be an average of Red - Blue - Green - Cyan - Magenta - Yellow brightness
peak white brightness doesn't really test the whole panel like it does for others right ?
It does, but colors aren't as bright
yay! more content! thanks for the video. very interesting display. I think the limiting factor (next to the lack of GPU power) the current max hdmi/dp bandwith. I'm honestly surprised nothing better is really coming soon or being announced (at least I haven't heard of it).
Display port 2.0 is out and on AMd 7000 cards and some monitors (gigabytes OLED monitor) which as a massive amount of bandwidth. Sadly my 4090 relies on DSC with its dp 1.4a
@@jolness1 cool. so this screen can do dp2.0? let's hope the nvidia 5000 series can do it too
difference of motion blur versus lg c1 120 bfi?
when the world encounter the apokalypse, vincent will still review the newest tv tho
Took my lunch break thinking this was what we all came for
im most excited about 1080p 😱😁 for fps and 4k for strategy games, Best of both worlds.
Will LG fix the eotf in a firmware update?
Its the year 2024 and warranty needs to be a part of the "features".
Can this be used for photography also? I looking into an IPS Black monitor from BenQ PD3225U but that monitor is only 60Hz just wondering if I can get LG and cover all my needs instead.
Asus is better in sRGB (or if you need Adobe rgb 100% - Benq sw272 or Enzo 2740)
After having used a 48" TV as a PC monitor since 2020 I don't think I could go back to anything less than 42". Here is me hoping for a 42" MLA next year so I can upgrade my CX🤞
42 is a great size.
You could if you sat closer lol. How close are you sitting? I find 27 to be perfect but I also only sit about a 1.5 feet away.
@@RiceCubeTech I have 42C3 - I'm sitting about 1m from the monitor
when u reviewing dell QF?
I wonder how the iq of an internal 4k resolution (allowable in some games) in the 1080p480hz container would appear. I’ve done this with the 1080p240hz ‘dual mode’ of my u8k (native 4k144hz) and it looked pretty good!
The verge article you showed when you were talking about the burn in warranty.. actually says that LG hasn't specifically put into writing that they will cover burn in, it's vague and unclear. Its still just a "trust me" warranty and LG can easily weasel out of covering your burn in damage. How about you as a reviewer push them to actually make it clear that they will cover burn in, and put that into writing?
@AnimeUniverseDE: We know Chris de Maria and David Park (the two LG USA senior executives quoted in The Verge article) in person, and given the legal implications, their statements would have been vetted by LG's lawyers, and so are as ironclad as you can get in writing.
If that's not enough, LG repeatedly clarified to us during the production of this video that burn-in is indeed covered under the 2-year UltraGear warranty.
@@hdtvtest great, then they can put it in writing publicly. until then it's bullshit
@@hdtvtest I think what people are saying is that no, it's not, and no, that isn't either.
They need to tell it to the customers directly. If they're sincere then there's no good reason not to, though there are plenty of bad reasons not to.
We don't know these people personally so can't trust them like you do.
@Matt-nv2qg: They have put it in writing publicly by issuing statements to The Verge whose article has been subsequently quoted by many other respected tech publications. If LG have been misrepresented even slightly, they would have reached out to The Verge for retraction/ correction.
@@hdtvtest I get what you're saying, though all that being true then they should be able to simply state it as a straightforward warranty like the majority of their competitors are doing.
The fact that (at least as of now) they won't do that is suspicious and will not become any less suspicious with the passage of time.
Can somebody please measure how brightness is controlled, is it pwm, how low frequency goes let say on 10% brightness?
14:12 That quote at the end got me. He said QD-OLED don't got MLA technology YET. I guess it ain't a patent issue preventing Samsung to implement the technology.
If I'm not mistaken MLA is actually patented by LG. And another reason maybe this MLA doesn't compatible with either the Quantum Dots or the subpixel layouts. I think the problem with OLED nowadays not the peak brightness but also how to improve the overall brightness across the bright windows size.
1300nits for 1% window really mean nothing since the content we are watching always has way higher than that.
QD-OLED MLA would be the holy grail. But brightness and all other specs on QD is so good by the time it happens it won't really matter. But might allow it to save power to just turn the brightness down.
@@williamchiawq3747 wonder if that would hold up to scrutiny given that image sensors have been using micro lens arrays for a very long time (and the Toshiba ZL2 used a micro lens array to display glasses-free 3D)
Samsung Display’s not interested in MLA according to their spokesperson.
What most reviewers (and commenters) fail to realize is that you don't get a 240, 360, 480, 540Hz monitor for "AAA" games, you get them for e-sports titles and competitive games. AAA games are generally aiming for maximum visual fidelity and realism over optimization and fluidity. With a 4090, comp games (like CS2) get over 200fps minimum and 400fps average on a potato CPU.
next week will arrive the NEW SONY HOME CINEMA!!!
The only time is use 1080p/480hz on a 32” panel would be esport titles. I get near that at 4k in overwatch with DLSS so easy for the 4090. Otherwise use 240hz.
Curious how the Asus 4K 240hz OLED compares.
Oh Vincent, where did your funny little jokes and sense of humour go like you did in the "early" days of your channel? I miss them! And they made for some personality! Great technical review though, as always.
I can not wait until we can get 4k 480hz TV's.
We know the screen tech can do it because it is upscaling to 4k internally , as far as i understand how it works at least.
Then maybe it would be time to upgrade ,all these tiny bit brighter upgrades we usually get on new models are so boring.
Vincent we want LG G4 review
Just when I thought 240Hz was going to be my "end game" monitor...
Vincent: Hold my 480Hz!
But your game needs 480fps output, otherwise it's just a bit of latency advantage.
@cloudyeh4954 r u sure tht this tv doesn't have better clearer motion with regular content
@@cloudyeh4954 Yea. This monitor is good to play fps competitive games like CS2.
Can anyone confirm if this monitor has ARC/eARC support?!?
Waiting for G4 review.
LG G4 Review please 🙏🏻😌
I wish vincent went to review some of the more niche blu-ray players
You should talk about QDEL tech from SHARP
The problem is that you need the same amount of fps as the refresh rate of the display. That's simply not an option for console gamers, and even PC gamers need a very expensive rig. This wasn't an issue with a plasma TV. Even at 30 fps panning the camera looked like 240Hz. That's why plasma is still the best in my opinion.
I'm not worried about burn-in in within two years. I am worried bout burn in after ~5-7 years of regular homeoffice use (~10h daily). With only 2 years of burn-in warranty my confidence level is low.
I wish they'd give a burn-in warranty for my 27GR95QE.
That's cool and all but BFI is much more effective at reducing motion blur than straight-up running every games at 480fps, that kind of performance is impossible to reach for the majority of games.
120hz + BFI on oled = 240+hz of motion quality, by just running the game at 120fps instead of 240+Fps. It's even more efficient at 60hz. Yet, monitor manufacturers insist on not adding a BFI mode for PC gamers, so that people waste money on bigger graphic cards instead.
The Asus version of this monitor will have BFI if you're interested. However, BFI will introduce input lag, lower your brightness, introduce flickering (which can cause headaches), and you're forced to use it at a lower refresh rate which will add extra latency and reduce the overall smoothness.
If you're a competitive fps player, you should have this option off unless you are unable to reach higher frame rates to begin with... but why get a 480hz monitor if that is the case?
I will only consider the monitors with Dp 2.1
"switch between 4k 240z and 1080p 480hz" had to rewind that 3 times to make sure i heard that correctly
I'll wait for the 4k/1440p dual mode i think, far more useful for gaming for me personally
I've been looking forward to this and replacing the 42 inch LG C2 with this monitor but I'm waiting for Asus to release their version hopefully which will also have USBC
why is usbc important on a monitor ? i mean whats it used for, thx
That’s what I’m waiting on as well. Would be great to use my work laptop on an oled monitor without having to buy a separate $300+ dock
@@ChrisDaytraderNot hear to educate a grown man. Thanks.
@@chrisbullock6477 Understood :)
@@ChrisDaytrader Usb-c for apple macbook is good.
Not getting anything matte anymore.
I would like a 29” wide oled monitor from lg.
Looks like I found my next monitor
After a plasma TV I wouldn't really want to deal with burn-in, even with a warranty.
An RTX4090 isn't what's blocking you from 480hz, its almost certainly your CPU in 99% of cases. You need to look into overclocking the CPU, especially the RAM speed. There are games that can absolutely hit 480hz or over, but you need the CPU single thread performance to see it. Certain games like Q2RTX will hit 480hz GPU limited, but they are very rare.
As a 14900k owner with 7800mhz ram, I can assure you my 4090 is actually the bottleneck in games that would benefit from a higher refresh rate. DLSS frame generation is also GPU dependant.
I'm still waiting for an ultrawide 38 inches LG OLED that runs at 3840x1600.
I currently have an LG 38GL950G and I don't want to switch to a 34 inches.
Same, I have the LG 38WN95CP-W... The IPS glow is horrible but I love the 38 inch ultrawide format so much
wait for 39" 5120x2160 240Hz scheduled for late 2025
@@warlordwossman5722 🤩
Can it switch to 1440p as well and at what refresh rate?
it cant. Im defiantly more interested in 1440p/4k aswell. Also 27 inch and lets say 3 year burn in assurance.
It does 1080p because that can perfectly scale from 4k. 4k is 2.25x of 1440p so would look odd as I understand
Man, I remember 120hz then 144hz were the best thing on the market on refresh. We then went to 165/175hz then later on to 240hz for OLED screens and now 300/360/480/540hz FHD with MLA+ on one. I swear they keep using the same pics of oh this older is blurry and this one is much clearer like with VCD to DVD and then Blu-ray. At what point does it become pointless for the eyes to even pick out?
Maybe I'm making this too simple, but would it be possible for a monitor to implement BFI at 120Hz while having a refresh rate of 480Hz? In other words, you'd have a target frame rate of 120 fps which would be displayed for 3 refresh rate cycles, then have 1 cycle be black before displaying the next frame. Wouldn't this provide better motion resolution with minimal brightness degredation, without having to require very high-end hardware?
Plasma had the equivalent of 400-600Hz refresh rates, and higher-end 3D compatible ones could handle up to a 120Hz signal.
BFI on OLED is not actually strobing. It's a rolling black bar. At the highest setting it's a full-frame black bar scrolling top to bottom at the frame rate. Lower settings use a smaller black bar.
An OLED with a rolling black bar at 480Hz would be great for 120Hz content.
@@robertbash380 I know, I have a plasma in my living room and I'm having a really hard time parting with that 😅 To me, motion is the most important factor for picture quality (for TV).
@@kooijbas I'm visiting my parents and they have a Panasonic plasma I bought them 12 years ago. Motion still looks better than on my 2021 Panasonic OLED with BFI (same panel as the LG C1 I believe). At the highest setting with a 60Hz signal (TV content) there's visible flicker. My OLED does 120Hz BFI at lower settings, but the motion resolution isn't as sharp.
@@robertbash380 I have a Panasonic ST50 and I love that TV. Sure, for 4k/HDR/120fps source material it's no match for OLED. But I actually only watch 1080p material at 60HZ and a lot of sports. Sometimes I feel an urge to buy something new, but I don't think for my use case it will do me much good.
is glossy possible with MLA?
All TV's with MLA has glossy.
Yes. G3 and G4 are MLA + glossy.
Do u need hame to run at 480 frames to run at 480hrtz
yes. and 4090 is not enough here.
Vincent I enjoy every video you make and you are my Go-To guy who can asset a very thorough reviews of TVs or monitor but an article on The Verge has no power over purchase with terms of use if LG have burn in warranty or not and EULA that should be included and stated very clearly that monitor have burn in warranty is nowhere to be stating that information not to mention customer service from LG while me and other people contacted them to clarify this.
If there will be burn in somewhere in the future then person won't be able to comply RMA on EULA basis because there is nothing written down there so you are at mercy of LG or appealing as court case for RMA but that would be very hard to prove based only at "trust me bro article".
TL;DR If something isn't in documents you signed/agreed/bought don't exist in court of law.
@MrM-dl5zm: We understand your concern, but we know Chris de Maria and David Park (the two LG USA senior executives quoted in The Verge article) in person, and given the legal implications, their statements would have been vetted by LG's lawyers, and so are as ironclad as you can get in writing.
If that's not enough, LG repeatedly clarified to us during the production of this video that burn-in is indeed covered under the 2-year UltraGear warranty.
@@hdtvtest Will those warranties be respected when user change any or all Burn in prevention settings available in user menu?
I read that some manufacturers void warranty when those settings are changed.
@@hdtvtestquit deleting comments that call out LGs horrible warranty practices. a companies say something to the media and do the opposite, happens all the time. This is a huge red flag or do I have to remind you about LG fridges catching fire?
Why not go back to CRTs?
I'll wait for oled motion pro (bfi) and hdr adjustments on oled monitors before buying one, they're too limited at the moment. And tv's are too big for a desk..
2:52 Someone probably already pointed this out but it's not a graphic card limitation, the 4090 could run most games at 1080p480fps with high details and textures (just a few AAA games would show a graphic power bottleneck) but a cpu limitation since games aren't multithreaded or partially MT on the most advanced game engines and they cannot scale with cores. You can test this out by reducing the resolution (720p, 480p...): the framerate doesn't change.
So single thread performance is what it's going to limit framerate at this resolution.
Lack of HGIG surprises me.
2 years burn-in warranty is good for a start, but they'll have to make that at least 4 years for me to take it seriously
insane to me that the 1080p mode DOESN'T use nearest neighbor scaling
why would it, since integer is the ideal solution
Why does these have MLA but not LG C4 42", 48" inches?
Because these are more expensive than those 42” and 48”….
not sure why halo looks so blurry?
@Scottyl35: This video was filmed at 24fps, whereas the game itself was played at 240fps+, hence the increased motion blur during playback.
@@hdtvtest ahh i understand! Thank you
Does it still have the awful pink tint though? After so many years they still haven’t found another ar coating option.
What?
@@PrestoJacobson DOES IT STILL HAVE THE AWFUL PINK TINT THOUGH? AFTER SO MANY YEARS THEY STILL HAVEN'T FOUND ANOTHER AR COATING OPTION.
Blurry with 1080p due to scaling? Why not simply disable display and GPU scaling in the Nvidia control panel.. Sure the 1080p display size will be small, but you'll have 1 to 1 scaling for proper test purposes.
But.. surely any HDMI 2.1 cable can't even pass 4K 240hz?
WE WANT THE G4!!!!
This monitor and panel has too many caveats on HDR image quality, going to QD-OLED monitors instead
Qd-oled is the best hdr experience
Vincent, a friendly reminder that you a are a TV reviewer first and foremost.