My nephew was murdered, shot 8 times in his car because his girlfriends ex didn’t like him dating her. I may be biased in my opinion, but from what my family has experienced in the years since his death, I whole heartedly agree with the parents on this case. Every breath my nephews murderer takes is more than what my nephew will ever be able to feel again. No amount of rehabilitation will ever compensate for the loss of another life. You knowingly kill someone for your own personal gain, you shouldn’t be on the same plane of existence as those who respect human life.
I'm so sorry for your loss. But I can't stop thinking about your last comment. What about the father that shot the ped0phile that m0lested his son? Does he did not deserve to be a human?
Nah not those white kids. Boys will be boys, what about mental health, rap music, no father, video games and all other accountability dodging scape goats. Anything but held the angry white boy accountable for his actions
Apparently a few days ago Kruse was just denied day parole again because he was a still high risk of violence towards an inmate partner. His assessment was marked high for the criteria for psychopathy, sexual sadism and necrophilia. This man is beyond help. The fact that he could still have the option of parole is astonishing to me.
This is why the lack of death penalty options astonishes me. This subhuman will never be fit to be a part of society. Why waste resources sustaining a life in jail when we could just put the thing down tomorrow.
The supreme court ruled that EVERYONE here must be eligible for parole after 25 years, even if they committed vehicular mass murder like Alek Minassian. Yes my country is a joke. No I don't plan to live here much longer.
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel eligible for parole doesn't mean you'll get paroled. i don't see how a quarter century couldn't seem like a reasonable amount of time to revisit things
Straight evil. Animals almost never kill unless they need to eat. That’s why even the biggest and most vicious animals can be pacified when they are regularly fed by humans. If they loose their drive for food they become manageable. A human like him has no way back.
My favorite thing about this channel is that you actually talk about the childhood, personality, and interest of the victims, not just the criminals. They're the ones who deserve to have their story told, and most channels don't talk about their lives. I think it's a nice way to respect them as much as possible.
Wait, an enby whose name isn't the name of an object? Trailblazer! Edit: these are not the kinds of jokes you make outside of your own spaces-tone cannot be read on the internet, especially if posting publicly. I love nonbinary people, whether or not they have a "normal" name. :)
You should check out Deadbug Says then, never saw someone giving justice to the cases he presents like he does. And just how meticulously his researches are is astounding.
@@theatermx A body doesn't start to decompose until like 2 days. It wouldn't smell just hours from the murder. Also, she was killed in a freezer and the body being cold would also significantly slow down the decompostion of the body.
Everyone should be on high alert or learn how a body in a bag looks like so that the public can fish out something like this. It's very difficult to carry even a 90 pound body around. So if you see someone struggling with a large bag red flags need to be waved around.
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 not everyone experiences 24/7 higher than normal levels of anxiety o wise one. Some people experience short bursts of intense anxiety and are generally fine the rest of the time (panic attacks), which is still anxiety disorder
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 it’s not nonsense. I literally googled “anxiety disorder” and got my information from the top result There’s obviously a difference between a temper tantrum and a mental illness induced anxiety attack and I think those with medical and psychiatric degrees would know better than you do. Also a person having a panic attack and a person throwing a temper tantrum do not act the same in the slightest which leads me to believe you don’t even know what a panic attack is / have never seen someone having one
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 Jfc here we go with someone who clearly knows nothing at all about anxiety or anything of the like trying to tell people what it is and/or is not. Ffs do at least a little research on your own to become even somewhat informed before touting egregious information online or anywhere else for that matter. 😒
As someone who lives on that island, has close friends who went to their school, and knew someone who was close to Kimberly, I have to say, I never ever want to see either of them out of prison. Ever.
@Lumi33TV I also live on the island my dad told me this story and I just came across this video absolutely sickening you might know the story of Reena Virk she was my cousin who was killed I never met her so this story kinda hits close to me.
I don't think it is possible to rehabilitate this kind of cruelty even when it is expressed at an early age. I am all for rehabilitating minors who commit crimes so long as those crimes weren't thrill kills. When someone tortures and kills because they get off on the pain suffering and power there is nothing there to rehabilitate.
Yeah, I think the problems with these types of crimes is that at the age you're able to actually make a plan for a thrill kill and execute on it, you're also developed enough cognitively and emotionally that it would be basically impossible to fully rehabilitate you. Rehabilitation of antisocial children HAS to start when they are extremely young and just start showing psychopathic behavior. I personally fully believe in the ability to rehabilitate psychopaths, but it has to take place long before they do this kind of damage. You pretty much have to do a full life-altering intervention whereby the child is completely removed from their initial environment and immersed in an environment dedicated to rehabilitation. The issue with this is that it requires a LOT of foresight, a LOT of public support to acquire funds for research, and a LOT of people willing to do the thankless work that it inevitably would take
I had a boy as neighbour who tortured their cat, threw sharp arrow darts in his brothers back and was fascinated by Jaws the shark movie. He asked me how much the people who got eaten by a shark got paid as he tought it was real. He was my age and at that age he should know a movie is not real. I tought this guy was a danger and an idiot at the same time a dangerous combination. He once attacked me and I beat the shit out of him. After that he always wanted to hang around me, but as soon as someone more popular came along he tried to get with them. Later he was upset I didnt hang out with him anymore. He ditched me for someone more popular every chance he could, but always came crawling back. So I said goodby to him forever, he invented the word backstabber and litterally threw darts in peoples backs.
@@AnonYmous-hj1nu That is quite presumptive. I have a niece that would not go to school because of her "anxiety." It didn't matter what was done, she would not go to school. Eventually it ended up with her on probation for truancy. Once she got off probation, it's back to the same antics. It has nothing to do with her family who has shown nothing but support for her. It's a last ditch effort from a family trying to make sure that a child graduates from high school who, if it was up to the child, just says "I don't like school and I don't care if I graduate."
@@dnaak she clearly didn’t like school there are other alternatives like maybe home schooling... why force her to goto when she clearly had anxiety... careless on they part.
I think their sentences were disgustingly light! Those monsters should never be allowed to see the light of another day! My thoughts & prayers are with this Poor girls family.
Yeah, thanks to our current shit head Prime Minister's father, in the '70's, he and his liberal flunkies turned the Canadian justice system into pro-criminal farce.
@@BeccaBullard8 Blood Eagle is a ritual method of execution. The victims are placed in a prone position, their ribs severed from the spine with a knife, and their lungs pulled through the opening to create a pair of 'wings.'
my hometown. this case still haunts us all. Kim's dad has been an absolute POWERHOUSE of strength, especially concerning the potential parole of these two monsters (which has been denied, again, and again, and again) just know, Langford doesn't play. If those losers ever step foot in our community again, or really anywhere on the island, they'll be sure to regret it.
kim's dad & HER FAMILY*** but Kim's dad has released some very powerful letters that describe the inhumane things done to his child & the effect it continues to have on their family
I noticed how her aunt said "we're not going to see the end of this until they are dead or they are released." If they're released, you can bet they're not gonna remain on this plane of existence for much long.
evil mother probs and all others who knew and allowed abuse, lack of logic, I think more like evil narsism with intent to hurt. Like hmmm, I dont like my child cant put up for adoption (can be paid to be a mother that just covers phsical needs like food, water ect, probs get simpothy food or payments) get her murdered instead and than act sad so no one takes responsibility like its a school meant to help, thats really cruel and sad. Should be sico tested to be a parent or work with children. And be honest, Im not saying what happened was right or fair in any way. Just is ether on purpose trying to get emoshinal support as a friend to friend or was trying to start a new intimite relationship ether way, talking and not being interested in the boys, I gues (I wasnt there so I can only really gues) and than changing her mind about dating them orvengaging with them was misleading to the nasty boys that set off preditory savage hunting behavours that she didnt notice and than got murdered. If she had of just been like oh ok your not engaging with me and Im just talking about myself, or Im noticing your not reciprecating care back only listening and not engaging with me, than the nasty boys interests wouldnt of been engaging/hunting and planning. I think she was a vitmin ether way because no one desrves to die like that, life should be respected. I think if educated about real stranger danger than she more likely could of noticed the off behaviours that wernt in line with caring but rather hurting. Bad things can happen fast with preditors that act in an animalistic way but for no good reason. So she was probably thinking possibe, they just dont understand so I will tell them more and than they will care and be a friend back and than when asked to meet up, was probably like, but you still dont understand and Id like to finash explaining so im not cut off and so I can phocus on having some fun hanging out. Its a realy ugly sad thing that happened. I hope you understand, Im looking from a behavioural point of vidw from personal expiernce growing up living every day in an unsafe country and born into an abusive biological family that was abusive right from the start and am still myself lucky to be alive. I hope this sorts out the confusion/ what the fuck is wrong with people moment. Narsism is very dangerouse ranging from yelling, lying, manipulation, degrading, and murder in exstream cases and unfortunatly is so common. The abusive school can just lie and others just go y would they lie, thats crazy and dismiss the idea of reality that exists that there is evil as black as night on earth that walks. Most animals arnt this way because nature doesnt allow for narsism, humans have acess to, too much power that is and can be often used for bad like in this case. Basically some people are backwards, bad hurtful things make them feel good, tho they dont like being hurt but dont care about anyone but themselves getting what they want regardless of consiquense as long as they get what they want and if they dont get what they want, things like terism and sencless violance happens. So be carm and loving and never put another down because as he said, he hated her, probably because she did not want to date him. So must be an honest individual and stay away from bad people and fight them if nesisary just dont engage in there manipulitve behavours that deny other peoples free will for there own benifit. Im surprised someone as most just see there hands and thats it. Noticed, apart from bikis brooming outside they know it was no accident and are spys and dangerouse. Tho I walk through the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, If I have quoted correctly. Anger sets of narsitic rage, out of control anger as they have no boundries to follow but dont like dramas they avoid that and fear is like an insentive to them. I would really like suffering to stop. It would be good/fair for children to be tort about narsism and the dangers and about stranger danger precautions and rules to go by and safty in place. Because just saying to anyone or a kid who is extra courouse often about learning about life, dont talk to strangers and dont except lollies from strangers as I remember, doesnt help. Cos than kids not understand thinking that is a kind act offering lollies ect as nasty savage people will lie in artful ways, of my sick friend, I lost my dog ect, its not about the exact reason is just they will say anything that sounds good to captivate like lets meet up at the bus stop in this sad case. Not telling a child the truth no matter how brutal the truth is, if it is to prevent harm to their life, the truth should be told no matter how old the child is. If kids new, this person would try hurt them by lieing in such ways and being dishonest, situations like this could happen less possible. I was just a very lucky child that was friendly (I now have majore social anxiety with people face to face) and so lucky but this probably happens a lot more than people are aware of and the mother did not protect her child ether not knowing because narsty people can lie for a while as part of there stage act of being a nice person better than actores in most movies. This is disrespectful to life and parenting non sico licences should be made a law, safe spaces in public (I have heard so many fatal cases at disapeared at bus stop never seen again or walking home and not returning and if found, found dead) safe places where sicos cant go, sicos not allowed access to the community as these kinds of people are unsafe not trustable to be around other people. Support sevices actually avaible not fake good looking secices. And educate children so they can be safer knowing when to leave an unsafe situation before it escilates. Also so adults arnt isolated because that is common also. Some people are evil, they enjoy hurting and seek to do so. Good people enjoy helping and dont enjoy hurting other people. I hope this helps and maybe you can educate other people that mite be at risk or in danger zones. 🥶☯️🌎🌳🌈🐛🦋🐝🐝🐝🐝☀️
@@saracole4411 yes you are right i agree this there is so many ppl at fault here but they only look at the killers so how about the parents?family the whole system where does it go wrong!!!
Yeah there’s people in America that were convicted in states where recreational weed isn’t legal and they get sentences for 20+years for having a few ounces
Reporting in. Self medicated with alcohol, abandoned by my parents at 16, was homeless in las vegas from 17-21. Met my wife at my first ever NA meeting. Theres hope for us, friends. God help the ones who dont find it.
Dude seemed proud of himself when he was confessing to the detective. My personal opinion is there is no rehabilitation for people with that like mindedness. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if they’re allowed any type of freedom again (even their chaperoned day passes) they will strike again. Stop wasting time, energy, money, resources, etc and euthanize them.
Yep. They'll absolutely kill again if they're released. It would be grossly negligent to let them out. You can rehabilitate anger problems that don't result in severe bodily harm or murder. You can rehab drug abuse. Rehab destructiveness to buildings, etc. Thievery. You cannot ever rehab someone for murder. Especially pre-mediated like this. Absolutely not.
@@intheraeyne this entire comment thread is delusional. just look at norway or sweden or other nordic/scandenavian countries, my guys. they literally let murderers (who were found guilty of a crime and sent to prison) walk around with no restrictions or supervision in towns, and they have the best crime statistics in the world. you can rehabilitate murders, not all, but definitely a large enough majority to make it worth your time to try. like, fucking euthanizing people because they killed someone else? we arent living in the dark ages anymore, punitive justice to that extent isnt good for society
@@aperson4913 It's ironic you're calling others delusional when you're talking about letting murderers walk around with no supervision or restrictions like it's a good thing. Lol.
"They took her out of school due to anxiety" Aw poor girl "They transfered her to a Christian school" OH NO- ((Edit- after a lot of comments and what not, I feel like I need to clarify some stuff. This comment is not about Christianity being bad. Is about how some Christian School often don't provide a safe environment for children despite saying they do.))
@@parkeralan19 It's edgy because people will shit talk christians all day, but nobody actually talks shit about the religions actually still beheading people. Its edge. Atheist saying this btw.
Don't let them out, Canada. They didn't commit a crime of passion. It was premeditated, and they felt no remorse afterwards. They were planning to kill again before they were arrested right? The first thing they'd do after they get out is to kill again - and this time around, they would be far more sophisticated than when they were teenagers. It's going to be horrific. Accept that there are just some kids who cannot be saved and allowed back into society, and focus on those who genuinely need help.
Even if they don't kill again what they did deserves far more than ten years. Their behaviour isn't sane, which isn't me saying that they weren't responsible, I believe they were fully responsible, not every act of insanity excuses the perpetrators of the crime at all. But they've never shown remorse or taken any sort of responsibility for their actions. I don't really see how chemically castrating them will help, it might well have the opposite effect because this crime wasn't a sexually charged one, and taking away their chance for sexual release might well make them more likely to look for other ways to empower themselves, violently, hatefully, and viciously. I watched a video earlier where a 14 yr old girl murdered her disabled sister (in the US) and under the law of her state she will be tried as an adult and will either face the death penalty or will serve a life sentence with no chance of parole. That to me seems far more fair because at 14 I knew exactly what I was doing, I know that when you're that young you're more inclined to make bad decisions and because your brain isn't fully formed you're not actually behaving as an adult, but what these 2 did is far worse than what that 14 yr old girl did. The idea of them possibly being free 10 years after committing such an act is terrifying.
@@dannydarkense5500 but. It said eligible for parole after ten years…that doesn’t mean they will actually get out…they would have a meeting with the parole board and they would have to convince them that they deserve parole. Which isn’t as easy as that sounds…and because of the brutality and the planning of the murder….I highly doubt the parole board will let them free….
You are perfectly right, Sir. There are kids behind bars who need help and who sincerely regret what they did, there are others kids who had terrible circumstances that lead them behind bars. These need help, not those two.
They should never get out. You can not rehabilitate people like this . And no day passes, are you insane? My condolences to the family, Kimberly's family.
Well there is no ethical way to rehabilitate, like forcing then to be quadriplegic would take care of half the rehabilitation but it is soooooo unethical. Personally I would lock them away for life while making them productive in some capacity.
@susan ivy I can think of no graver insult than forcing them to serve the society that caught him. I'm against killing, I do not know what awaits on the other side of deaths curtain. For all we know there is nothing or paradise, even worse perhaps everything runs according to a plan and those that play their part get rewarded, the implications from here only grow more numerous. I've seen death and I hated it, what I saw made me promise to never subject another living being to that, it is just not my place to hold power over another life other than my own.
@@gustavedelior3683 even making them quadriplegic doesn't really solve the problem. If their demented mind wants to cause or inflict pain they can find a surrogate body with which to do it. Remember most psychopaths are good at being likeable and conning/convincing others. They'd just find another demented pair of hands/ bodies to help enact their twisted plan.
This school obviously does not know how to properly handle kids with mental disabilities. Krus sounds like he has conduct disorder or smth else. He probably had awful upbringing, but it doesn't excuse what he and the other boy did.
As someone who has studied victimology in College, I appreciate how this video is introducing the victim and reminding us that she was a person who was loved and had interests, rather than putting all the focus on her killers and the sensationalism of the crime.
@@stephanielove2842 "..the study of the victims of crime and the psychological effects of their experience." I'd suggest looking things up before leaving a comment.
We humans always repeat the same mistakes. A killer kills, stays a while in prison, then leaves. The killer kills again, stays a while in prison, etc. Its like we care more about the killers than the victims and future victims.
I wish. Here in Canada there are a lot of people on the left screeching about how we should be "rehabilitating" them in a comfy home for a couple years then releasing them. The same people are the reason why we no longer have the death penalty. Putting them on death row would have been the best possible outcome here.
@@maskettaman1488 People like to suggest the Finnish model. The problem with trying that? Canada and its society are nothing like Finland. If we gave all our inmates jobs and responsibility, sadly that would mean more murders in the jail system.
@@maskettaman1488 That is what criminal tyrants do. They protect their own. Always giving a leg up to criminals, while taking what little rights you have to protect yourself from said criminals away.
@Masketta Man I'm a Canadian on the left and I'd hope everyone convicted of murder gets life in prison. I don't want people capable of this anywhere near me, good thing we don't have guns here.
@@Ellen.G I agree. I was just wishing they'd get a severe punishment as they do here in the States. Our system is definitely flawed, but I doubt they would have been let out before their senior/golden years. I'm not a lawyer or studying to be one, so it's just a guess.
@@TornSparrow1974 .. Ha Ha!! Oh boy are you naive . In Chicago kids commit major crimes because they know they will get a smack on the hand at worst.. just cry a little, say you’re sorry and claim of something that “might” have triggered you and BAM ! A bit of I want to have faith in you therapist and you’re on the streets in no time to repeat.... and that’s if you’re caught. Watch closely what happens to Aiden Fucci.. yeah they’ve said he will be tried as an adult , but won’t get what he deserves and it’s already speculated that his Mom won’t get anything but a year at best because she was looking out after her beloved son. SMDH.. I have 3 children ( all adults now) and would not cover up them brutally murdering someone. That is like saying it’s ok do it again. I turned one of my children in for breaking and entering and theft on a local business. Because I didn’t want her to think it was ok and I would look the other way.. what’s next ? Killing someone? No you end that shit in the beginning and let it be known it is NOT ok! She got 30 days house arrest , hated me for it ( still does) and sure as hell repeated again because in her words, they won’t put me away for long because I’m a kid. My reply is I don’t want to bury you because you decided to go into the wrong persons home and this is not right. At 30 she has an extensive criminal record. I have to live in hiding because I know and she has said and had people threaten to kill me.. that it will be me or her. I haven’t lived this long to be taken out by something I spawned. Now before you think it was her surroundings, No! Her brothers are both businessmen with degrees one raises her child as his . She lived in an upper middle class home where drugs and alcohol were not allowed in our home.. yet she gravitated towards this in Jr High School. She is the biggest heart break and regret I have in this life.
I lived just up the street from where they found her. 💔 This was devastating for our city and community. I can’t imagine the parents and friends’ anguish.
Holy crap. I've seen this same story numerous times now. Two teen boys team up and kill an innocent girl just to live their sick fantasies. How the hell does this happen. And the mother is right. There is no rehabilitation. People like this need to be put down.
@Acolyte of Dagon In the case of the Scream Killers, two Juniors in high school ganged up on their 16-year-old friend and stabbed her to death. That's the only other case I know of where it's two teenage boys ganging up on a girl, but there's most likely more.
@Acolyte of Dagon there are so many murders out there that people will find enough cases to make it seem way more common than it is. There has been a lot of cases of two females ganging up on and killing someone, one of them was two 12 year old girls so yeah...
I am a huge advocate for rehabilitation. These two individuals don’t deserve that option. Gonna restrain myself due to possible algorithm issues, but them experiencing something as horrific as they exacted wouldn’t be such a bad idea.
I don't even think it's about "deserving". I think in this case it is just not possible. The way those young men behaved, how they planned it, how they talked and bragged about it, without any empathy makes me believe that they are psychopaths or just in general very deranged and dangerous people. If they will be released, they will hurt someone again. I don't think they CAN BE rehabilitated.
I believe in rehabilitation too, but studying psych I know that some people can and will reject attempts at rehab. They will not care about what they did, maybe even laugh as they talk about it. In the end, rehabilitation is not something that can be forced but suggested, and people like these guys might look at one of us and flip us off if we tried to play nice.
If they hadn’t been caught, they would have kept killing. Doing it again had already come up in conversation! Unless a parole board wants to grant open season on innocent citizens...they’ll keep these 2 locked up for the rest of their lives.
Canada needs the death penalty, in the Middle East ,they'll put people to death for being Christian, Atheist, gay or somehow speak Mohammed 's name in vain.What BS some countries are too extreme, while others are too lenient for ACTUAL SERIOUS CRIMES.the 🤨
@@oliverguenther662 you brought up some truly fucked up truth! You’re so right, too! Some countries amputate your hand/arm for shoplifting and here are a couple of monsters that are being coddled after planning, carrying out, and bragging about how proud of their work!
I just found this channel this morning and have been binging a lot of your videos. The attention to detail, the narrator and the professionalism you guys show is wonderful. Definitely earned a sub and I'll probably be watching these more in the future. Thank you and have a wonderful day/night!
I lived in Victoria and was 12 at the time this happened. I remember the case, but what I remember most vividly is walking over the bridge where her body was dumped and seeing the exact spot they left her in. It was a very sad and lonely placed to be left. My heart is with the Proctor family always
@MrHolyKindness i think all disorders and variations of mental illness need to be judged on a separate case by case basis irrespective of if the mental illness they suffer in question is genetic, has been apparent since birth, or developed in their later years. i think it’s categorically wrong to box off a mental illness and go "well this is what a person with Down Syndrome should expect to receive as a criminal sentence for their actions vs this is what someone with a myriad of different mental health issues should receive as their penalty". i think it’d be quite deleterious to the justice system of, not just Canada, but any country for that matter to adopt this sort of methodology. it’s all about their cognitive ability, their ability to comprehend the severity of their crimes, if they are able to process regret and remorse, etc. it’s not as easy or as cut and dry to go "well person A has an illness that is deemed far more severe than person B’s so therefore it stands to reason that we should crack down far harder on person B". not only this but no two people with the same mental illness are going to function the same, or suffer the exact same symptoms. Autism is a perfect example. some people with Autism you may not even notice or realise they have it unless they were to tell you they have it themselves; whilst others are far more erratic, manic, and have a different level of disablement and lower brain development which make it far more obvious and apparent. on a quick side note, usually a sex offender who has been incarcerated isn’t just released and put back into society and everyone in the neighbourhood is alerted to their presence and their history. the reason behind why is simple: the people within that community aren’t usually wild about having a sex offender in their suburb, and harm could quite quickly come to that individual if it were to become common knowledge of their previous sexual felonies. there are a plethora of examples where a registered sex offender has been released, only for the neighbourhood to take justice into their own hands and mercilessly beat the shit out of them.
You think Canada went soft on them? Check out the case of Junko Furuta in Japan. What Junko had to suffer for 44 days is beyond comprehension yet sentencing murderers was a joke.
Yeah, I’m a Canadian and although I think our law can be lenient especially towards minors who commit horrible crimes, we aren’t the only ones. Tons of other countries have given similar or even less time in prison because they think they can change the impulses of the criminals. Junko Furuta’s case was extremely tragic. Not to mention the case of Little Na-Young in South Korea where a man assaulted a little girl and got an extremely reduced sentence because he was drunk. Cases like this make me so sad. But it isn’t only in Canada. It’s an everywhere sort of pattern.
@Asta Roth exactly. All countries have bad sentences. Not just Japan or Canada or wherever lol. There are a shit ton of cases internationally where people get by for horrible crimes. Doesn’t matter where you are. It’s kinda something everyone can relate to but people never want to say that their country is just as bad as the next one. I mean, look up all the stuff Indigenous people have to go through just to get some recognition for murdered people in Canada. It’s super messed up. One case I’m thinking of right now that the killers got off quite easily is the James Bulger case in the UK where the two child killers got off and were allowed to maintain anonymity and the public was pissed. Can’t believe I didn’t mention that one. Not to mention cases in which the media makes a frenzy out of finding a killer so bad that the case gets ruined. That happens a lot in a lot of places. The penal system in general-regardless of country- can be extremely lenient and can mess up royally sometimes.
I can't even bring myself to imagine what Kimberly was going through in her last moments, or what her family has gone through, knowing these sick details. May she rest in peace and may these psychos never be allowed to live a moment of peace for what they've done. No amount of 'good behavoir' can fix this kind of evil.
i think the last moments were the less worst... because BEFORE those last moments she still probably had hope someone would rescue her, and still got beaten to a pulp, and put into a freezer cell, and there i think she gave up on her life because at some point you can't see light anymore.
I'm so glad that most everyone on the board sees these monsters for what they are...worthless and either life in prison or execution is in order. If one is against execution, fine. I'm good with a horrible life behind prison. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. This is a "monster" issue where a kid doesn't care about kicking a dog so hard that he breaks the dog's paw. I'd like to break his paw
Yes. ...And even if you could rehabilitate, why risk it? If you catch the killer, shouldn't the public want justice for what they've done? Is there ever a good outcome to disregarding a just and equal punishment? What about a punishment less equal because the crime was so much more henious than the worth of the individual killer? The system caught the murderers who are just simply the most perfect candidates for the electric chair. Do we want to live in society where the system doesnt work at all? Any MORE than we already do?...
@@bentonrp Yeah, fully agree. Innocent people already paid the price; why should we risk more innocent people on the off chance that sadistic murderers won't kill again? How many innocent lives are worth the chance of rehabilitating one very guilty one?
If they did that to my beautiful daughter, I would be taking care of them myself. I would do it knowing that in Canada, I would be out in 25. Worth it to me.
Sometimes you just have to take matters in your own hands. Glad to not be the father, I’d patiently wait for them to be released and dish out the appropriate punishment for these demons.
Please, spare us the tough guy routine. It's disgraceful. You wouldn't do bupkas. Stop with the ridiculous male fantasies. You'd suck it up just like their families have to. I'll wager you wouldn't fight back if someone smacked you in the face, you guys are ALWAYS all talk. Real men don't talk about it, they do it.
My son was murdered 7 years ago.. the 3 cockroaches involved all got life with no possibility of parole thank God. That obviously is the best I can get here in Michigan. The fact that they are alive and visited by their families is way more than I can take.. it doesn't get better! Terminally angry
I'm so sorry. I couldn't possibly imagine what it's like going through that. I think it'd break me. The best I can hope for is that you've found a way to keep going.
I am so sorry. They should not get visitors at all. I would lock them up in a single cell, forever separated alone with their own demons whom would thorn them apart piece by piece.
As someone who struggled with similar issues to Kimberly, I can't possibly imagine the additional harm that would've been caused if I'd been placed in a school like this
@@tibo6749yeah because it’s Christians fault her parents are morons and the girl wasn’t very smart she knew they was extremely violent and done drugs she even done weed with them a lot and even fancied one of them and I don’t know take a look around the whole and you will see real hate before you start mouthing off your left wing bullshit maybe think of some other people who could be to blame for this situation before Christians as most of the kids in this school aren’t even Christians no other school will take them however let’s look up the non Christians school I bet they have a perfect record some of the urban schools ? Lol the killers are to blame and then their parents then her parents then maybe some blame should be put on people who get themselves into stupid situations with stupid people. Personal responsibility is a thing it doesn’t matter if your a victim or not if something feels off if your friends are fuck ups maybe you should leave them. This girl while sad what happened actually fancied one of them even knowing everything about him
A lot of these people get caught for talking about what they’ve done. It makes you wonder, how many people are out there who keep there mouth closed and get away with these heinous crimes?
I’m halfway through this video and it hurts hearing this and I’m not sure if I want to continue. I know if I was the victims mom it would be hard not to do the same thing to them if I didn’t have other kids that depended on me. Sick effers.
What you're saying isn't justice. It's revenge, fueled by your own emotions. As egregious and nefarious these individuals (and their actions) are, letting your own emotions take over you is going to do a disservice to the justice system. Our common law system isn't the same as the Code of Hammurabi.
@@tomato-v8x It's easy for you and people like you to write something like this when it's not about you or your loved ones. You would not feel like this if Kim was your daughter. I don't know where you are from but highly unlikely from a country with a perfect justice system because that doesn't exist. Justice provided by the government in our day and age is bullshit. When dealing with pure evil like these two guys the only time when I personally can say justice has been served is when they either rot in a small cage for the rest of their lives or are executed. Life in prison I find the preferred punishment because death is the easy way out.
@Levi Gabele Feeling justified about inflicting torture on a living being is pretty far from my definition of sanity. It can be excused when you're driven mad with grief by the actions someone took upon someone you loved. You're still not in a sane state of mind. And wishing that when you're not even related to the case should actually be alarming to you.
@Levi Gabele And I think taking pleasure in torturing or the prospect of torturing another human being is not being sane. But hey, what do I know, I don't believe in a fantasy book written 2000 years ago so maybe I'm just not the right person to judge the Talion Law. Additionally, I don't think there's enough evidence throughout History showing that revenge ever managed to successfully settle feuds.
I grew up where this happened and it devastated everyone, it still to this day is something hard to talk about for us. We always will remember Kimberly.
@MrHolyKindness I believe or I would suggest they need to register as a predator especially one that murders with malice because being convicted of a crime with "malice" is almost closley like a sexual predator crime where you have to register as a predator anywhere you go for life where everyone in the community knows what you did.
@@theunheardprophet4315 I'm from here aswell, I grew up associating with the people involved. One of them has been in protective custody for awhile now, if they get out they won't last very long, Langford is a relatively small community.
So on top of having to live without their beloved daughter they now have to spend the rest of their lives keeping an eye on what happens to the monsters?? When a person is convicted of a serious crime, the sentence should reflect the well-being of the victim and family. These monsters should not be allowed to set one foot outside of the prison for the rest of their lives. Please give the family the ability to heal 🙏🏻❤️
This is another horrific case I'd never heard of that really breaks my heart. Those "boys" should at least never get out of prison for what they were capable of doing to another human being . Anyone that crosses the line into murder ,especially one as heinous as this should NEVER be released !
@Daclips Video Excuse me? You're seriously saying that because of her (what amounts to normal, everyday teenage) behaviour, she deserved to be tortured and then murdered? You're going to somehow put the blame for this on the victim? You're almost as sick as the sadistic monsters who did this to her. You should go away and have a very long think about your priorities. Don't try and victim blame/shame over something this abhorrent. The fault lies solely with the torturers and murderers, not with the poor girl who died horrifically as a result of their actions.
@@tnntlmmn277 Sometimes an eye for an eye is the proper punishment. Sometimes an eye for an eye isn't enough, IE: government corruption should lead to families of the convicted corrupt actors being entirely annihilated.
First off, it's heartbreaking that her family has to constantly relive this experience every few years because of the sketchy sentence the boys received. They should have had to serve at least a minimum of 40 years before they were at least eligible for parole. Now her family no longer has her, yet has to fight to keep her killers imprisoned. How fair is that? They have no peace, ever. Secondly, I hold that school responsible for her death as well. You do Not put kids with anxiety into the same category of kids with uncontrolled anger and violence issues. That's asking for trouble. It's actually demanding trouble, and that's exactly what they did to this young lady. The school demanded trouble for this young lady and she got the trouble of her life.
I agree but Canada is a weird socialist country with very backward values so I’m not surprised. Same with the UK, there are unrepentant serial killers that are getting a max of 25 to 30 years and in Finland murderers are given cars and job training. It’s ridiculous, they have built a society that punishes you for being decent and respecting life and rewards you for murder and Canada is slowly going the same route.
I agree with you but I would state that most alternative schools do this. I don’t like it. But they do it. Schooling especially for people who need an extra hand needs to be reformed.
Life should mean ‘life.’ I hope the parole board never releases them. They are a danger to everyone. They enjoyed what they did. Even saying they wanted to do it again.
Parole was denied last year, it comes up in 5 years (4 as of 2021) I hope they never get out, but if it seems they're rehabilitated, I expect they will, especially the one that seemed more of a follower.
@@ricknelsonm I dont think you should be put on life. Like, you can get executed.. but life? Atleast give them a chance if they hit like 70 years of age and release them. Otherwise just execute them
Her mother was going to sew her grad dress ... 😔. I don't know why that one factor saddens me so much. Also trying to empathize with the fear and coldness she felt as she lay beaten in a freezer ... Rest in Peace, Kimberly. I can not even begin to imagine the amount of helplessness and terror you felt. I know you're in a better place now, wherever that may be.
I can't even imagine being placed in a dark freezer after being beaten up for hours and with duct tape covering your mouth. I mean, if they only placed me in a freezer (without beating me) I know that my heart is going to burst before I run out of oxygen.. I wouldn't call them animals, animals are far better than this.
>Her mother was going to sew her grad dress ... 😔. >I don't know why that one factor saddens me so much. I believe this shows you how it could be if these horrible things never happened. I have children, and sometimes I have a fear that something can happen to them, and thoughts, that I'll never see them grow, tear me apart. It's kinda same thoughts.
@@HZHZMB You hit a good point there. The thought that she could've had a whole life otherwise really hurts. The wonder of what she could've been, I'm not a parent yet but I always relate it to my nephews and nieces. I can't imagine a world without those little rascals running around enjoying life.
@@yuussee Beaten, suffocated and hyperthermia. She died in a very gruesome way. I live in the north so we have pretty cold winters. It can get to -30 Celcius with wind chill. After being reminded of this video through my comment I went outside in my normal clothes. Myself, a grown ass man, didn't even last 3 minutes before going back inside to warm up. And you usually have to be out for like 20 min before hyperthermia becomes a serious health threat. Not even to add that she was beaten before hand. That test just depressed me so much more ... I just hope that no person, let alone a CHILD experience this sh*t. I can't do much as one person, but I'll help what I can in my area. No one deserves that, accidental or otherwise. I seriously don't know what goes through some people's heads to do that to someone.
This is the problem. Thinking she's in a better place is why the laws and penalties against those who break them are so pathetically WRONG. If the Judicial system and Society in general realised the logical conclusion in nothingness after death, as opposed to a kingdom in the clouds, then crimes would be more severely punished! Life is precious, and those bastards deserve to die painfully for robbing that life. I would happily be the one to swing the sword on behalf of Kimberly's parents and loved ones. For these cowardly scumbags I'd use a blunt blade for a deliberate and slow botched execution.
Isn't it wonderful to know the family has to relive this crime every five years or else he is set free so he can do it again to someone else's daughter?
Absolutely...if people would stop and think sometimes they would realize that some people don't deserve to be here....I understand where people come from when they say we don't have the right to take a life just because they took one,but I disagree...When someone kills out of pure evil they must be put to death as well...Evil people can't be saved and even God says we have the right to put a murderer to death....If we would give the death penalty more often maybe people would think twice before killing someone
@@Filterite5 I live on Vancouver Island too, the justice system is terrible. So many people just get released after proving they are a danger to the public time and time again
As a Canadian, I'm often disgusted with the leniency of our laws. If someone can do this to a person once, guaranteed he'll do it again. Just bring back the death penalty for people like this.
i agree, but i would add a torture that has to be shown on TV , the whole torture. Because fear is the only way to control humans. good ways never work..
@@drummersnare6276 because they are terrible. The rates of incarceration in America are higher than anywhere else in the world, and the rates of reoffending are shocking too. Look at Scandinavia, they have a heavy focus on rehabilitation and lenient sentences regarding length, and they have some of the lowest crime rates in the world. Do some research.
And our justice system defends themselves by pointing out the max penalties, but in reality, max penalties are almost never handed out. They are there simply to make things seem more severe than they actually are.
the fact that none of them are even a bit remorseful should be enough to not give them any parole for the rest of their lives. that's just crazy and they'll most likely do it again.
The fact that someone who has a history torturing animals paired up with someone who is passionate about animals pisses me off, he should have never went anywhere near her
i truly weep for precious kimberly. when you are ostracized by your more socially apt peers as she was, you naturally fall in with society's rejects, even if you're of a good heart. kim was trying to seek friendship where she could find it, which is the sad thing: those monsters took advantage of her desperation for connection. just a timid child looking for a friend, absolutely sickening. i pray her soul is at rest somewhere beautiful, rest in power gorgeous girl. :(
I first heard this story on one channel that touched on it briefly. I had to research it out of need for clarification: I could not believe how awful it was and tried to discover more and more details. But yes, the more details I discovered, the more aware I became that no one even gave this timid, sensitive girl a chance. Everyone let her down in the worst way possible. I think about this one very often. And the torture, violence, theft of life, theft of her future, and betrayal that Kimberly Procter had needlessly endured...
The best thing a murderer could do is to brag, in explicit detail, online about their crimes. I would encourage that all murderers and other criminals to do the same! Let us know about all the gruesome details of your crime! I truly am happy when ego surpasses common sense, and these monsters essentially "tell on themselves."
The transcripts of the prison phone calls between Kruse Wellwood and his mother have been made public, and they are absolutely disgusting. He's a terrible person thru and thru and I firmly believe there is zero chance at rehabilitationof any kind. There is something severely wrong with him, likely passed down from his father who is equally disgusting. If you haven't read them, and you're interested in this case, you should.
@@rkjeffery777 Just get it over with. The longer you dally the greater the chance that they'll escape or be let free. Prolonging their deaths won't bring anyone back. Can you imagine being the poor bastard who has to do the torturing too? Either he'd be traumatized by the things he had to do or he'd enjoy it and get a taste for more torturing. If there is an afterlife, then the quicker you can introduce them to true suffering the better. If not, then it doesn't matter anyways. They won't remember any of it. You guys really should talk to someone. Salivating at the prospect of a human being getting tortured is not normal, regardless of crimes or justification. Violent thoughts like that could express themselves as violent actions.
@@rkjeffery777 I’ve watched many jail videos on UA-cam to know that they live good in jail. Torture and death should definitely be considered for murderers.
This kind of evil doesn’t just go away in ten years. The authorities will rue the day they release them back into society...and society should be very frightened....very frightened.
@@robertwasinger2286 Nah, narsism doesnt just go away easily. Not just with men but all people that are savage that enjoy hurting others. I know one, who I will never speak to again not for nothing or anything including life. 5 years, Ive changed be a big sister, here hold your baby brother, than dangles him infront of me like a carrot enjoying causing suffering so I left as I was going insane with grief and as small child, he didnt understand so I hugged him, said I loved him and left. Worst of all no one but me cares hes getting abused. People with duty of care are often just as digusting as these monsters like the teachers and perants, I would not tolerate having a kid like that in my company even for a minute. Its gross this is evil that enjoys hurting is allowed. Really after life is better and there needs to be help available because if its not sicos to this degree, many people commit scuide because of being treated badly. Is very sad school let this happen and the perants and jail not help a single bit. Its so crazy some/most in fact people. Canibilism is not ok but normilized surprisingly. Y people tolertate these kinds of abuse and dangers, I dont understand. Is like most people are canibals.
Eligible for parole does not mean ON parole. They will both never get out of prison and will serve their life sentences until the day they die. With the evidence available and the gruesomeness of the crime there is no parole board in the world that will say "you know what, I change my mind about the 2 men that raped, burned and sliced up an innocent girl." they will rot in prison
@@vIGORR imagine if psychology would be taking part in school education instead of the useless bs we have to waste our time for instead of solving real problems.. how many lives could have been safed
@@gigaxy Social studies is typically the study of culture, society, and government. It's a far cry from the education about psychology, mental health, and abuse that is lacking in most schools. And when it is presenting, more often than not it is brief, inaccurate, and stigmatizing - this is coming from a neuroscience student.
This case is really close to me as it happened in my home town. I went to the same school and my experience was pretty negative. My sisters and I were expelled from the school because one of my family members came out as gay and somehow the school found out, they were worried about “the effects rubbing off on the children “ so they asked us to find a new school. I’m humbled reading people’s comments, I didn’t think this case would ever be talked about, thank you for making this video and sharing this story. She shouldn’t be forgotten.
That is just frightening... I can't imagine the pain of getting bound in a freezer while dealing with anxiety + all the abuse she had before that... These are monsters.
I dont know what the hell is wrong with the justice system, It angers me how they can allow monsters like that out to hurt other people again. Peoples family members 😒🤬😡
For teenagers the two carried out the crime at such an advanced level. It's the kind of thing you'd expect to see in a horror movie. There is no way they should ever be let back into society.
I believe in an eye for an eye when it comes to these cases. It's hard to hear what they did to her when you look at the case. It's terrible. It's sickening. I hope these disgusting human beings never see the light of day ever again.
They should NEVER EVER GET OUT! Get a petition ready way before they come up for parole. Kimberlys mom is right. Someone who can do that to a friend and wants to do it again needs to never be around humans. They are monsters not humans .
That poor girl. Kimberly 100% did not deserve what happened to her. The suffering she went though is unimaginable. There is no word to describe the boys other than 'monsters'.
10 Years is an insult to the memory of Kimberly and her family and friends, I don't know what's more horrific, what they did to her, or the so called justice system that globally seems to consider the offenders rather than the victims, disgraceful, such a pretty girl with her whole life ahead of her, so sad, what a tragic waste of life. RIP Kimberly.
I think the sentence is life in prison with possibility of parole after 10 yrs which was denied in 2020. Next hearing in 2025. This is torture for the family
@@Naz-M well, if they get released, the family can take matters in their own hands.. What's the worst, it could be 10 years in prison ? Very well worth it for my daughter to rest in peace
@@aiightbet4582 they should not get paroled. Family need to be at ease that they don't have to go and pledge that the parole is denied. That there is a possibility they may get out. It is what it is but the sentence was not harsh enough. No parole.
@@Naz-M I know that why am saying these lenient sentences are a joke but if I was in the family's shoes, and they ever get released, I'll go take the matter in my own hands.
They should never be released. If they can commit such a horrific and brutal murder at such a young age, then they will continue to murder if they are ever released. Prison will only harden them, making them more dangerous.
"God I hate murderers so much, I want to be a murderer. Fuck, I fantasize so much about murder, god I'd love to murder people. Btw, hate murderers, totally."
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So I don’t know how I stumbled into this video, but we went to school together. I remember the event, and how devastating it was. A close friend of mine was good friends with her back in the day. I didn’t personally know her well, but it shook the school. Hearing the details, that weren’t included in local news, is incredibly heartbreaking.
I as well went to the school I remember how it shook everyone as well, my best friend was the one who got hit in the head with the shopping cart chain outside of Belmont in the smoking pit. He was really close with Kimberly, he loved her. She would sometimes come and hang out with us at my friends place. She was a very gentle person. I actually was a suspect at first and was questioned by the police, as I happened to walk over the bridge that morning and saw the fire. Although I did not know what it was, just thought some homeless persons fire. It was such a weird spot for them to leave the body, the place where everyone used to smoke weed at. I still can't go over that bridge to this day. Her family called my friend Justin the night before asking if we have seen her, as it wasn't normal for her to not come home. Me and all my friends that night went out looking for her calling anyone we could think of. I remember him saying something about Cruise, as he never trusted him.
I was so nervous to talk to the police for some reason, Blair talked me into it as it could help the police possibly. I was literally shaking and crying.
Laws are so lenient on those under 18, they deserve numerous life sentences without possibility for parole so they are made to wait out their miserable lives in prison
If they can commit a murder then they can also serve they’re time in a adult prison, most kids now idolize killers or they have these little sayings like “smoke opps” or “catching body’s” nah they should make an example out of these kids and start giving these little gangster clowns life without the possibility of parole they’re little 16 year old bum would get taken by force in their too😂
@@wgjung1 It is to prevent these pieces of dirt from seeing daylight, tf you talking about? Who said it would? Why do people answer with shit that is off topic.
I know enough about WoW to tell you that every last bit of your data is saved, down to how you moved your character. Those logs don't go ANYWHERE, and GMs can pull them up at any time they want.
I feal like the laws weren't designed to have young people do such horrific things, so when it does happend the punishment is completely out of place. The fact that they get to enjoy their late 20s when they get out is absolutely insane. I know that you do "dumb" stuff when you are younger, but this wasn't just "dumb", it was purely evil.
Thats the thing, they likely won't get out for their 20's at least. Just because they can apply for parole after 10 years does not mean they will get it. And from what I have seen from Kruse, he won't be granted that anytime soon.
Canada has very lenient sentences, one of my friends in Canada told me of that kid, I think 9, in a town near them died from a hit and run. The person responsible lived only a minute away from the scene and he even tried to change his truck's appearance. They gave him only 3 years in prison. Could you imagine losing your child and the person responsible gets to walk free just years later.
Omar Khadir was a terrorist that killed a US solider in Iraq. After Gbay was closed Trudeau released him, apologized, and cut a cheque for $10.5 million. Every Canadian is angry. Look up "Maid" I'll get in trouble for explaining what it is. UN should be putting sanctions on Trudeau. There is many others that are even worse.
I once spoke with Kimberly's mom, not realizing who she was. I felt so shocked to be looking at a fellow mom that had been through this. I've always regretted not talking to her again. I wished I could have told her "don't let them spoil your Kimberly's memory, by being crushed by what Kim went through. I wish she could get to a place where only her little girls shines through, in memories. Not the last thing that Kim went through...but all the rest of Kim's life "I wished she could have told me about her daughter, who she was, what she was like. But I could see the pain the mom was in and the fact she couldn't speak of Kim because it hurt so bad. But there had to be a lot to this young girl. Who was she? What was she like? I'm angry that not only did these young monsters hurt Kimberly and take her life...but they also get to steal the true memory of who Kimberly was. So, what was Kimberly like in life, not just her horrific death, but her...who was she?
If she didn’t bring it up, it’s best if you don’t. She didn’t want to talk about it and forcing someone to talk about something because you think you might help isn’t the right thing.
Its insane that they could consider parole after only ten years for such horrible crimes. If that was my daughter I would be waiting for them when they got out.
@@DylanDuGay88I have seen Americans complain American law is a joke, letting out kid diddlers but going ham on people caught with weed: though I too dislike stoners, they should only receive a few lashes and do community service, not be locked up longer than a kid diddler.
My thoughts are almost as dark as the crime itself, keep the public informed of who they are and what they did and then inform us if or when they should happen to be out and about in the world they dont deserve.
Please don't EVER let these monsters out. EVER!!! Someone should set them up a fight with another inmate so they lose a possibility of a parole forever.
That's what happens when you have a government run by liberals. Liberals always side with the offenders and make them look like the victim and usually have zero concern or sympathy for the actual victim.
how much tougher do you want? death penalty? its been proven time and time again that it is not a deterrent. its been proven that rehab works better and lowers recidivism rates more than any so called deterrent
I understand the sentiment. But note that the murder rate in America, where we have the death penalty and ostensibly tougher sentencing _on average_ (that is, not in every case a person could cite), is considerably higher than Canada's and that of other so-called Western democracies that are more lenient than the USA in sentencing. So if your goal in advocating for tougher sentencing is to reduce murder rates (i.e, deterrence), you're likely barking up the wrong tree. If, however, you are interested in making sure that the guilty parties suffer as much as possible (i.e., retributivism) because they deserve it, even if it doesn't lower the murder rate, and even if it may possibly contribute in an indirect way to a higher murder rate, then you're probably on target.
My nephew was murdered, shot 8 times in his car because his girlfriends ex didn’t like him dating her. I may be biased in my opinion, but from what my family has experienced in the years since his death, I whole heartedly agree with the parents on this case. Every breath my nephews murderer takes is more than what my nephew will ever be able to feel again.
No amount of rehabilitation will ever compensate for the loss of another life. You knowingly kill someone for your own personal gain, you shouldn’t be on the same plane of existence as those who respect human life.
And people wonder why I carry a handgun on me
I’m sorry for your loss
100%... im sorry for your horrible loss. The people who do this stuff should be buried beneath the prison..
Your comment left me in tears. Im so sorry for you and your family's loss.
I'm so sorry for your loss. But I can't stop thinking about your last comment. What about the father that shot the ped0phile that m0lested his son? Does he did not deserve to be a human?
No chance of parole for 10 yrs? That’s insane. They deserve life without the possibility of parole.
They deserve the death penalty!!! Instate it!!!!
Nah not those white kids. Boys will be boys, what about mental health, rap music, no father, video games and all other accountability dodging scape goats. Anything but held the angry white boy accountable for his actions
Exactly a person is two things which is not a thing that is not there
@@obnoxiouslycharming6543 WTF does color have to do with this case? Nothing! I'm so tired of the race bullsh*t! 🙄
@@barbaravance6774 i think he is being sarcastic
Apparently a few days ago Kruse was just denied day parole again because he was a still high risk of violence towards an inmate partner. His assessment was marked high for the criteria for psychopathy, sexual sadism and necrophilia.
This man is beyond help. The fact that he could still have the option of parole is astonishing to me.
This is why the lack of death penalty options astonishes me. This subhuman will never be fit to be a part of society. Why waste resources sustaining a life in jail when we could just put the thing down tomorrow.
The supreme court ruled that EVERYONE here must be eligible for parole after 25 years, even if they committed vehicular mass murder like Alek Minassian. Yes my country is a joke. No I don't plan to live here much longer.
what prison is he in? and in general population?
Waste of money and oxygen
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel eligible for parole doesn't mean you'll get paroled. i don't see how a quarter century couldn't seem like a reasonable amount of time to revisit things
kimberly’s mom saying that she can’t even call the murderers animals because her daughter loved animals broke my heart :(
Monsters!
Demons
yeah... that's rough. I cant imagine
Straight evil. Animals almost never kill unless they need to eat. That’s why even the biggest and most vicious animals can be pacified when they are regularly fed by humans. If they loose their drive for food they become manageable. A human like him has no way back.
i cant call them monsters thats too prestigious they are soulless half humans
My favorite thing about this channel is that you actually talk about the childhood, personality, and interest of the victims, not just the criminals. They're the ones who deserve to have their story told, and most channels don't talk about their lives. I think it's a nice way to respect them as much as possible.
Wait, an enby whose name isn't the name of an object? Trailblazer!
Edit: these are not the kinds of jokes you make outside of your own spaces-tone cannot be read on the internet, especially if posting publicly. I love nonbinary people, whether or not they have a "normal" name. :)
@@Ashe_S_ Oh shut the fuck up. You make me want to change my name to some cool sounding noun just to spite your judgemental ass.
@@Ashe_S_ LMAO felt that tbh, I just stole my name from a game I played🗿
You should check out Deadbug Says then, never saw someone giving justice to the cases he presents like he does. And just how meticulously his researches are is astounding.
@@isitleeyourelookingfor6352 SEETHE
they seriously took her corpse on the bus with them in a hockey bag? that’s so disturbing i can’t even begin to describe...
Right! All those other people on the bus had no idea there was a dead girl In that fucking bag! Sick
Sorry for saying this but wouldn't the body smell? How nobody in the bus noticed that distinct odor???
@@theatermx A body doesn't start to decompose until like 2 days. It wouldn't smell just hours from the murder. Also, she was killed in a freezer and the body being cold would also significantly slow down the decompostion of the body.
@@BaldMancTwat she was in a freezer but I don't know if it was actually turned on.
Everyone should be on high alert or learn how a body in a bag looks like so that the public can fish out something like this. It's very difficult to carry even a 90 pound body around. So if you see someone struggling with a large bag red flags need to be waved around.
Ah yes take children with anxiety and put them in the same facility as children prone to violence, excellent pairing
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 you clearly dont know how anxiety works for different people
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 not everyone experiences 24/7 higher than normal levels of anxiety o wise one. Some people experience short bursts of intense anxiety and are generally fine the rest of the time (panic attacks), which is still anxiety disorder
Most alternative schools operate this way. You’ve got kids with all sorts of issues lumped together.
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 it’s not nonsense. I literally googled “anxiety disorder” and got my information from the top result
There’s obviously a difference between a temper tantrum and a mental illness induced anxiety attack and I think those with medical and psychiatric degrees would know better than you do. Also a person having a panic attack and a person throwing a temper tantrum do not act the same in the slightest which leads me to believe you don’t even know what a panic attack is / have never seen someone having one
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 Jfc here we go with someone who clearly knows nothing at all about anxiety or anything of the like trying to tell people what it is and/or is not. Ffs do at least a little research on your own to become even somewhat informed before touting egregious information online or anywhere else for that matter. 😒
As someone who lives on that island, has close friends who went to their school, and knew someone who was close to Kimberly, I have to say, I never ever want to see either of them out of prison. Ever.
@Lumi33TV I also live on the island my dad told me this story and I just came across this video absolutely sickening you might know the story of Reena Virk she was my cousin who was killed I never met her so this story kinda hits close to me.
I’m none of those things but agree 100%.
🥺🫶🫂@@ajaywalia1649🥺🫶🫂 I remember 🤍
Stop the cap
Why does everyone in this comment section live on that island?
I don't think it is possible to rehabilitate this kind of cruelty even when it is expressed at an early age. I am all for rehabilitating minors who commit crimes so long as those crimes weren't thrill kills. When someone tortures and kills because they get off on the pain suffering and power there is nothing there to rehabilitate.
Yeah, I think the problems with these types of crimes is that at the age you're able to actually make a plan for a thrill kill and execute on it, you're also developed enough cognitively and emotionally that it would be basically impossible to fully rehabilitate you. Rehabilitation of antisocial children HAS to start when they are extremely young and just start showing psychopathic behavior. I personally fully believe in the ability to rehabilitate psychopaths, but it has to take place long before they do this kind of damage. You pretty much have to do a full life-altering intervention whereby the child is completely removed from their initial environment and immersed in an environment dedicated to rehabilitation. The issue with this is that it requires a LOT of foresight, a LOT of public support to acquire funds for research, and a LOT of people willing to do the thankless work that it inevitably would take
I had a boy as neighbour who tortured their cat, threw sharp arrow darts in his brothers back and was fascinated by Jaws the shark movie. He asked me how much the people who got eaten by a shark got paid as he tought it was real. He was my age and at that age he should know a movie is not real. I tought this guy was a danger and an idiot at the same time a dangerous combination. He once attacked me and I beat the shit out of him. After that he always wanted to hang around me, but as soon as someone more popular came along he tried to get with them. Later he was upset I didnt hang out with him anymore. He ditched me for someone more popular every chance he could, but always came crawling back. So I said goodby to him forever, he invented the word backstabber and litterally threw darts in peoples backs.
Only clean.
Cant rehabilitate evil. I'm not religious but there is darkness in this universe.. and when it's in someone's soul, you can't just heal or cure that.
@@CynicalEmpath 💯
I used to work for Kim's father years before this horrible crime. She was a sweet girl from a very kind and loving family.
RIP Kimberly
Damn
Truly loving family wouldnt put their kid in a school like that
@@AnonYmous-hj1nu That is quite presumptive. I have a niece that would not go to school because of her "anxiety." It didn't matter what was done, she would not go to school. Eventually it ended up with her on probation for truancy. Once she got off probation, it's back to the same antics. It has nothing to do with her family who has shown nothing but support for her. It's a last ditch effort from a family trying to make sure that a child graduates from high school who, if it was up to the child, just says "I don't like school and I don't care if I graduate."
Can’t imagine the pain of knowing your “friends” would be willing to hurt and kill you for no damn reason… Rest In Peace child
@@dnaak she clearly didn’t like school there are other alternatives like maybe home schooling... why force her to goto when she clearly had anxiety... careless on they part.
I think their sentences were disgustingly light! Those monsters should never be allowed to see the light of another day! My thoughts & prayers are with this Poor girls family.
Sucks because that is what Canadian law is...which is horrible
Yeah, thanks to our current shit head Prime Minister's father, in the '70's, he and his liberal flunkies turned the Canadian justice system into pro-criminal farce.
Blood Eagle them. If they don't cry out in pain, set them free.
@@swallowedinthesea11 what is blood eagle?
@@BeccaBullard8 Blood Eagle is a ritual method of execution. The victims are placed in a prone position, their ribs severed from the spine with a knife, and their lungs pulled through the opening to create a pair of 'wings.'
my hometown. this case still haunts us all. Kim's dad has been an absolute POWERHOUSE of strength, especially concerning the potential parole of these two monsters (which has been denied, again, and again, and again) just know, Langford doesn't play. If those losers ever step foot in our community again, or really anywhere on the island, they'll be sure to regret it.
kim's dad & HER FAMILY*** but Kim's dad has released some very powerful letters that describe the inhumane things done to his child & the effect it continues to have on their family
If I was those parents, I'd be doing everything I possibly could to advocate for parole for them, to get access.
@@Deletiriumagreed.
I noticed how her aunt said "we're not going to see the end of this until they are dead or they are released." If they're released, you can bet they're not gonna remain on this plane of existence for much long.
Chainsaw enema.
Wait, they sent a kid with anxiety over bullies to the school bullies-turned-criminals attended? Am I the only who sees a lack of logic here?
makes no sence
evil mother probs and all others who knew and allowed abuse, lack of logic, I think more like evil narsism with intent to hurt. Like hmmm, I dont like my child cant put up for adoption (can be paid to be a mother that just covers phsical needs like food, water ect, probs get simpothy food or payments) get her murdered instead and than act sad so no one takes responsibility like its a school meant to help, thats really cruel and sad. Should be sico tested to be a parent or work with children. And be honest, Im not saying what happened was right or fair in any way. Just is ether on purpose trying to get emoshinal support as a friend to friend or was trying to start a new intimite relationship ether way, talking and not being interested in the boys, I gues (I wasnt there so I can only really gues) and than changing her mind about dating them orvengaging with them was misleading to the nasty boys that set off preditory savage hunting behavours that she didnt notice and than got murdered. If she had of just been like oh ok your not engaging with me and Im just talking about myself, or Im noticing your not reciprecating care back only listening and not engaging with me, than the nasty boys interests wouldnt of been engaging/hunting and planning. I think she was a vitmin ether way because no one desrves to die like that, life should be respected. I think if educated about real stranger danger than she more likely could of noticed the off behaviours that wernt in line with caring but rather hurting. Bad things can happen fast with preditors that act in an animalistic way but for no good reason. So she was probably thinking possibe, they just dont understand so I will tell them more and than they will care and be a friend back and than when asked to meet up, was probably like, but you still dont understand and Id like to finash explaining so im not cut off and so I can phocus on having some fun hanging out. Its a realy ugly sad thing that happened. I hope you understand, Im looking from a behavioural point of vidw from personal expiernce growing up living every day in an unsafe country and born into an abusive biological family that was abusive right from the start and am still myself lucky to be alive. I hope this sorts out the confusion/ what the fuck is wrong with people moment. Narsism is very dangerouse ranging from yelling, lying, manipulation, degrading, and murder in exstream cases and unfortunatly is so common. The abusive school can just lie and others just go y would they lie, thats crazy and dismiss the idea of reality that exists that there is evil as black as night on earth that walks. Most animals arnt this way because nature doesnt allow for narsism, humans have acess to, too much power that is and can be often used for bad like in this case. Basically some people are backwards, bad hurtful things make them feel good, tho they dont like being hurt but dont care about anyone but themselves getting what they want regardless of consiquense as long as they get what they want and if they dont get what they want, things like terism and sencless violance happens. So be carm and loving and never put another down because as he said, he hated her, probably because she did not want to date him. So must be an honest individual and stay away from bad people and fight them if nesisary just dont engage in there manipulitve behavours that deny other peoples free will for there own benifit. Im surprised someone as most just see there hands and thats it. Noticed, apart from bikis brooming outside they know it was no accident and are spys and dangerouse. Tho I walk through the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, If I have quoted correctly. Anger sets of narsitic rage, out of control anger as they have no boundries to follow but dont like dramas they avoid that and fear is like an insentive to them. I would really like suffering to stop. It would be good/fair for children to be tort about narsism and the dangers and about stranger danger precautions and rules to go by and safty in place. Because just saying to anyone or a kid who is extra courouse often about learning about life, dont talk to strangers and dont except lollies from strangers as I remember, doesnt help. Cos than kids not understand thinking that is a kind act offering lollies ect as nasty savage people will lie in artful ways, of my sick friend, I lost my dog ect, its not about the exact reason is just they will say anything that sounds good to captivate like lets meet up at the bus stop in this sad case. Not telling a child the truth no matter how brutal the truth is, if it is to prevent harm to their life, the truth should be told no matter how old the child is. If kids new, this person would try hurt them by lieing in such ways and being dishonest, situations like this could happen less possible. I was just a very lucky child that was friendly (I now have majore social anxiety with people face to face) and so lucky but this probably happens a lot more than people are aware of and the mother did not protect her child ether not knowing because narsty people can lie for a while as part of there stage act of being a nice person better than actores in most movies. This is disrespectful to life and parenting non sico licences should be made a law, safe spaces in public (I have heard so many fatal cases at disapeared at bus stop never seen again or walking home and not returning and if found, found dead) safe places where sicos cant go, sicos not allowed access to the community as these kinds of people are unsafe not trustable to be around other people. Support sevices actually avaible not fake good looking secices. And educate children so they can be safer knowing when to leave an unsafe situation before it escilates. Also so adults arnt isolated because that is common also. Some people are evil, they enjoy hurting and seek to do so. Good people enjoy helping and dont enjoy hurting other people. I hope this helps and maybe you can educate other people that mite be at risk or in danger zones. 🥶☯️🌎🌳🌈🐛🦋🐝🐝🐝🐝☀️
@@saracole4411 yes you are right i agree this there is so many ppl at fault here but they only look at the killers so how about the parents?family the whole system where does it go wrong!!!
"oooh Canandaaa"
@Angii Ak47 yup same happened to me lol. I went there for anxiety and everyone was a crazy ADHD kid from a bad family
I know someone who got 25 years for shop lifting. The Judicial System is not consistent. Money, leniency, and loopholes play a large role.
Yeah there’s people in America that were convicted in states where recreational weed isn’t legal and they get sentences for 20+years for having a few ounces
@@vexedemperor5588 damn. Thats illegal af.
@Asta Roth wtf that makes no sense
@@truthmane1018 25 years for shoplifting? Sounds unreal.
Did he have any priors?
As someone who was put into a program similar to Kimberly, you’d be surprised how often kids with anxiety/depression get set up to fail
Oh yeah
Reporting in.
Self medicated with alcohol, abandoned by my parents at 16, was homeless in las vegas from 17-21. Met my wife at my first ever NA meeting.
Theres hope for us, friends. God help the ones who dont find it.
Dude seemed proud of himself when he was confessing to the detective. My personal opinion is there is no rehabilitation for people with that like mindedness. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if they’re allowed any type of freedom again (even their chaperoned day passes) they will strike again. Stop wasting time, energy, money, resources, etc and euthanize them.
agree
Yep. They'll absolutely kill again if they're released. It would be grossly negligent to let them out. You can rehabilitate anger problems that don't result in severe bodily harm or murder. You can rehab drug abuse. Rehab destructiveness to buildings, etc. Thievery. You cannot ever rehab someone for murder. Especially pre-mediated like this. Absolutely not.
@@intheraeyne this entire comment thread is delusional. just look at norway or sweden or other nordic/scandenavian countries, my guys. they literally let murderers (who were found guilty of a crime and sent to prison) walk around with no restrictions or supervision in towns, and they have the best crime statistics in the world. you can rehabilitate murders, not all, but definitely a large enough majority to make it worth your time to try. like, fucking euthanizing people because they killed someone else? we arent living in the dark ages anymore, punitive justice to that extent isnt good for society
@@aperson4913 And yet there have been so many in every other part of the world that murdered again upon release.
@@aperson4913 It's ironic you're calling others delusional when you're talking about letting murderers walk around with no supervision or restrictions like it's a good thing. Lol.
"They took her out of school due to anxiety"
Aw poor girl
"They transfered her to a Christian school"
OH NO-
((Edit- after a lot of comments and what not, I feel like I need to clarify some stuff. This comment is not about Christianity being bad. Is about how some Christian School often don't provide a safe environment for children despite saying they do.))
Edgy ….2008 called……
@@wickedlee664 whats edgy about that?
@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 I'm glad you found peace with the lord. If you are happy being a Christian then by all means keep being one.
@@parkeralan19 It's edgy because people will shit talk christians all day, but nobody actually talks shit about the religions actually still beheading people. Its edge.
Atheist saying this btw.
@@gratedradish6699 💯 preach (no pun intended). Literally couldn’t put it any better 👌🏼
Don't let them out, Canada. They didn't commit a crime of passion. It was premeditated, and they felt no remorse afterwards. They were planning to kill again before they were arrested right? The first thing they'd do after they get out is to kill again - and this time around, they would be far more sophisticated than when they were teenagers. It's going to be horrific. Accept that there are just some kids who cannot be saved and allowed back into society, and focus on those who genuinely need help.
Even if they don't kill again what they did deserves far more than ten years. Their behaviour isn't sane, which isn't me saying that they weren't responsible, I believe they were fully responsible, not every act of insanity excuses the perpetrators of the crime at all. But they've never shown remorse or taken any sort of responsibility for their actions. I don't really see how chemically castrating them will help, it might well have the opposite effect because this crime wasn't a sexually charged one, and taking away their chance for sexual release might well make them more likely to look for other ways to empower themselves, violently, hatefully, and viciously.
I watched a video earlier where a 14 yr old girl murdered her disabled sister (in the US) and under the law of her state she will be tried as an adult and will either face the death penalty or will serve a life sentence with no chance of parole. That to me seems far more fair because at 14 I knew exactly what I was doing, I know that when you're that young you're more inclined to make bad decisions and because your brain isn't fully formed you're not actually behaving as an adult, but what these 2 did is far worse than what that 14 yr old girl did. The idea of them possibly being free 10 years after committing such an act is terrifying.
@@dannydarkense5500 but. It said eligible for parole after ten years…that doesn’t mean they will actually get out…they would have a meeting with the parole board and they would have to convince them that they deserve parole. Which isn’t as easy as that sounds…and because of the brutality and the planning of the murder….I highly doubt the parole board will let them free….
They need to get the death penalty, these kinds of murders deserve the death penalty
You are perfectly right, Sir. There are kids behind bars who need help and who sincerely regret what they did, there are others kids who had terrible circumstances that lead them behind bars. These need help, not those two.
yes all countries have old Laws that was for way back in the day and All Countries need to change Laws
We seriously need the death penalty for situations like these.
Agreed
We do.
That makes you just as bad as them 2 wrongs don’t make a right and won’t make anyone feel better forgiveness is the only healing in these situations
@@KoleTuttleno some people can’t live along side w people
100 percent
They should never get out. You can not rehabilitate people like this . And no day passes, are you insane?
My condolences to the family, Kimberly's family.
mypoint Exactly
Well there is no ethical way to rehabilitate, like forcing then to be quadriplegic would take care of half the rehabilitation but it is soooooo unethical. Personally I would lock them away for life while making them productive in some capacity.
@susan ivy I can think of no graver insult than forcing them to serve the society that caught him. I'm against killing, I do not know what awaits on the other side of deaths curtain. For all we know there is nothing or paradise, even worse perhaps everything runs according to a plan and those that play their part get rewarded, the implications from here only grow more numerous. I've seen death and I hated it, what I saw made me promise to never subject another living being to that, it is just not my place to hold power over another life other than my own.
@@gustavedelior3683 even making them quadriplegic doesn't really solve the problem. If their demented mind wants to cause or inflict pain they can find a surrogate body with which to do it. Remember most psychopaths are good at being likeable and conning/convincing others. They'd just find another demented pair of hands/ bodies to help enact their twisted plan.
Exactly with the repetitive aggressive behavior
Truly inspired schooling model. Let's mix anxiety prone students with violent psychopaths.
People are fucking stupid.
Lmfaooo
This school obviously does not know how to properly handle kids with mental disabilities. Krus sounds like he has conduct disorder or smth else. He probably had awful upbringing, but it doesn't excuse what he and the other boy did.
Christian school..
@@pembomassive1394 don’t bring religion into this🤦🏻♂️
As someone who has studied victimology in College, I appreciate how this video is introducing the victim and reminding us that she was a person who was loved and had interests, rather than putting all the focus on her killers and the sensationalism of the crime.
Victimology?
I hate it here
@@stephanielove2842 "..the study of the victims of crime and the psychological effects of their experience."
I'd suggest looking things up before leaving a comment.
@@wv7228 you obviously looked it up since you copied that sentece so dont act all wise. Its cringe.
@@Ander83534 They did exactly what they were suggesting. What are you on about?
We humans always repeat the same mistakes. A killer kills, stays a while in prison, then leaves. The killer kills again, stays a while in prison, etc. Its like we care more about the killers than the victims and future victims.
Right? I see more people’s advocating for help towards criminals than help for victims and their families.. it’s a sick world
@@Calihon88it's satan's world.
They can never be out, the psychopaths can't wait to do it again. Now they know how to not get caught !!
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Yeah but they're eligible for parole after serving only 10 years it is crazy.
@@Mulletmans that's effn crazy!
@@Mulletmans they might be eligible for parole, but that doesn’t mean they will get it
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Never allow them out of prison.
I wish. Here in Canada there are a lot of people on the left screeching about how we should be "rehabilitating" them in a comfy home for a couple years then releasing them. The same people are the reason why we no longer have the death penalty. Putting them on death row would have been the best possible outcome here.
@@maskettaman1488 People like to suggest the Finnish model. The problem with trying that? Canada and its society are nothing like Finland. If we gave all our inmates jobs and responsibility, sadly that would mean more murders in the jail system.
@@maskettaman1488 That is what criminal tyrants do. They protect their own.
Always giving a leg up to criminals, while taking what little rights you have to protect yourself from said criminals away.
@@maskettaman1488 the "an eye for an eye makes the world blind" is pure bullshit
@Masketta Man I'm a Canadian on the left and I'd hope everyone convicted of murder gets life in prison. I don't want people capable of this anywhere near me, good thing we don't have guns here.
I feel that if Frick and Frack don't die in prison, then it's a slap in the face toward Kimberly's memory and her family... Just my humble opinion...
Frick n frack lol
@@Jolenesmart1980 ikr lol. I laughed when I seen it too. Hadn't heard that in years.
Unfortunately, it's Canada. They will be let out. No such thing as life in prison especially young offenders.
@@Ellen.G I agree. I was just wishing they'd get a severe punishment as they do here in the States. Our system is definitely flawed, but I doubt they would have been let out before their senior/golden years. I'm not a lawyer or studying to be one, so it's just a guess.
@@TornSparrow1974 .. Ha Ha!! Oh boy are you naive . In Chicago kids commit major crimes because they know they will get a smack on the hand at worst.. just cry a little, say you’re sorry and claim of something that “might” have triggered you and BAM ! A bit of I want to have faith in you therapist and you’re on the streets in no time to repeat.... and that’s if you’re caught.
Watch closely what happens to Aiden Fucci.. yeah they’ve said he will be tried as an adult , but won’t get what he deserves and it’s already speculated that his Mom won’t get anything but a year at best because she was looking out after her beloved son. SMDH.. I have 3 children ( all adults now) and would not cover up them brutally murdering someone. That is like saying it’s ok do it again. I turned one of my children in for breaking and entering and theft on a local business. Because I didn’t want her to think it was ok and I would look the other way.. what’s next ? Killing someone? No you end that shit in the beginning and let it be known it is NOT ok!
She got 30 days house arrest , hated me for it ( still does) and sure as hell repeated again because in her words, they won’t put me away for long because I’m a kid. My reply is I don’t want to bury you because you decided to go into the wrong persons home and this is not right. At 30 she has an extensive criminal record. I have to live in hiding because I know and she has said and had people threaten to kill me.. that it will be me or her. I haven’t lived this long to be taken out by something I spawned.
Now before you think it was her surroundings, No! Her brothers are both businessmen with degrees one raises her child as his . She lived in an upper middle class home where drugs and alcohol were not allowed in our home.. yet she gravitated towards this in Jr High School. She is the biggest heart break and regret I have in this life.
I lived just up the street from where they found her. 💔 This was devastating for our city and community. I can’t imagine the parents and friends’ anguish.
um.. thats specific af
Holy crap. I've seen this same story numerous times now. Two teen boys team up and kill an innocent girl just to live their sick fantasies. How the hell does this happen. And the mother is right. There is no rehabilitation. People like this need to be put down.
@Acolyte of Dagon In the case of the Scream Killers, two Juniors in high school ganged up on their 16-year-old friend and stabbed her to death. That's the only other case I know of where it's two teenage boys ganging up on a girl, but there's most likely more.
@Acolyte of Dagon there are so many murders out there that people will find enough cases to make it seem way more common than it is. There has been a lot of cases of two females ganging up on and killing someone, one of them was two 12 year old girls so yeah...
I feel like putting them down is stupid
Why give them the easy way out? Let them rot in jail
@@SirHaxe Why would you waste tax money on them
@@twig3708 costs less to keep them alive in the system than the death penalty
I am a huge advocate for rehabilitation. These two individuals don’t deserve that option. Gonna restrain myself due to possible algorithm issues, but them experiencing something as horrific as they exacted wouldn’t be such a bad idea.
bruh people actually think that rehabilitation works on everyone, IT DOESN'T, SOME PEOPLE REFUSE TO CHANGE
Nah, not as horrific we're not monsters like them, just end their lives and God will take it from here…
I don't even think it's about "deserving". I think in this case it is just not possible. The way those young men behaved, how they planned it, how they talked and bragged about it, without any empathy makes me believe that they are psychopaths or just in general very deranged and dangerous people. If they will be released, they will hurt someone again. I don't think they CAN BE rehabilitated.
I believe in rehabilitation too, but studying psych I know that some people can and will reject attempts at rehab. They will not care about what they did, maybe even laugh as they talk about it. In the end, rehabilitation is not something that can be forced but suggested, and people like these guys might look at one of us and flip us off if we tried to play nice.
precisely
If they hadn’t been caught, they would have kept killing. Doing it again had already come up in conversation!
Unless a parole board wants to grant open season on innocent citizens...they’ll keep these 2 locked up for the rest of their lives.
I agree. Serial killers in the making. Complete monsters!
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Canada needs the death penalty, in the Middle East ,they'll put people to death for being Christian, Atheist, gay or somehow speak Mohammed 's name in vain.What BS some countries are too extreme, while others are too lenient for ACTUAL SERIOUS CRIMES.the 🤨
@@oliverguenther662 you brought up some truly fucked up truth! You’re so right, too! Some countries amputate your hand/arm for shoplifting and here are a couple of monsters that are being coddled after planning, carrying out, and bragging about how proud of their work!
I totally agree.
I just found this channel this morning and have been binging a lot of your videos. The attention to detail, the narrator and the professionalism you guys show is wonderful. Definitely earned a sub and I'll probably be watching these more in the future. Thank you and have a wonderful day/night!
I lived in Victoria and was 12 at the time this happened. I remember the case, but what I remember most vividly is walking over the bridge where her body was dumped and seeing the exact spot they left her in. It was a very sad and lonely placed to be left. My heart is with the Proctor family always
Wow that must of felt strange for you bless her to
Thank you for sharing...sooo sad
Where this happen?
@@michaeltsang548 Vancouver Island, near Langford or Colwood (I never know where one ends and the other begins), on the Galloping Goose Trail.
Wow I hoped you moved
It’s so fucking sad to realize that this shit isn’t made up, like this isn’t just a story, it’s a true story. That’s what hurts..
Canadians justice. Judges lawyers are retarded. Mentally stupid
i got sick seeing this video. SICK.
"It's always scarier if it's true." -Urmaker
@MrHolyKindness i think all disorders and variations of mental illness need to be judged on a separate case by case basis irrespective of if the mental illness they suffer in question is genetic, has been apparent since birth, or developed in their later years. i think it’s categorically wrong to box off a mental illness and go "well this is what a person with Down Syndrome should expect to receive as a criminal sentence for their actions vs this is what someone with a myriad of different mental health issues should receive as their penalty". i think it’d be quite deleterious to the justice system of, not just Canada, but any country for that matter to adopt this sort of methodology. it’s all about their cognitive ability, their ability to comprehend the severity of their crimes, if they are able to process regret and remorse, etc. it’s not as easy or as cut and dry to go "well person A has an illness that is deemed far more severe than person B’s so therefore it stands to reason that we should crack down far harder on person B". not only this but no two people with the same mental illness are going to function the same, or suffer the exact same symptoms. Autism is a perfect example. some people with Autism you may not even notice or realise they have it unless they were to tell you they have it themselves; whilst others are far more erratic, manic, and have a different level of disablement and lower brain development which make it far more obvious and apparent.
on a quick side note, usually a sex offender who has been incarcerated isn’t just released and put back into society and everyone in the neighbourhood is alerted to their presence and their history. the reason behind why is simple: the people within that community aren’t usually wild about having a sex offender in their suburb, and harm could quite quickly come to that individual if it were to become common knowledge of their previous sexual felonies. there are a plethora of examples where a registered sex offender has been released, only for the neighbourhood to take justice into their own hands and mercilessly beat the shit out of them.
@@richardortega4383 o⁹
You think Canada went soft on them? Check out the case of Junko Furuta in Japan. What Junko had to suffer for 44 days is beyond comprehension yet sentencing murderers was a joke.
I know that case. It was horrible beyond words. And the fact that the boys who did it are out and facing no further consequences?? 🤮🤮🤮
Yeah, I’m a Canadian and although I think our law can be lenient especially towards minors who commit horrible crimes, we aren’t the only ones. Tons of other countries have given similar or even less time in prison because they think they can change the impulses of the criminals. Junko Furuta’s case was extremely tragic. Not to mention the case of Little Na-Young in South Korea where a man assaulted a little girl and got an extremely reduced sentence because he was drunk. Cases like this make me so sad. But it isn’t only in Canada. It’s an everywhere sort of pattern.
@Asta Roth exactly. All countries have bad sentences. Not just Japan or Canada or wherever lol. There are a shit ton of cases internationally where people get by for horrible crimes. Doesn’t matter where you are. It’s kinda something everyone can relate to but people never want to say that their country is just as bad as the next one. I mean, look up all the stuff Indigenous people have to go through just to get some recognition for murdered people in Canada. It’s super messed up. One case I’m thinking of right now that the killers got off quite easily is the James Bulger case in the UK where the two child killers got off and were allowed to maintain anonymity and the public was pissed. Can’t believe I didn’t mention that one. Not to mention cases in which the media makes a frenzy out of finding a killer so bad that the case gets ruined. That happens a lot in a lot of places. The penal system in general-regardless of country- can be extremely lenient and can mess up royally sometimes.
The chemical castration is honestly next level but it shouldn’t be needed because they deserve no chance of getting out
Yes i saw that case , poor girl 💔
The way the victim's parents were talking, pretty sure keeping the perpetrators behind bars, actually helps them in staying alive.
I can't even bring myself to imagine what Kimberly was going through in her last moments, or what her family has gone through, knowing these sick details. May she rest in peace and may these psychos never be allowed to live a moment of peace for what they've done. No amount of 'good behavoir' can fix this kind of evil.
i think the last moments were the less worst... because BEFORE those last moments she still probably had hope someone would rescue her, and still got beaten to a pulp, and put into a freezer cell, and there i think she gave up on her life because at some point you can't see light anymore.
I'm so glad that most everyone on the board sees these monsters for what they are...worthless and either life in prison or execution is in order. If one is against execution, fine. I'm good with a horrible life behind prison.
This isn't a liberal/conservative issue.
This is a "monster" issue where a kid doesn't care about kicking a dog so hard that he breaks the dog's paw.
I'd like to break his paw
This is a case where if you're the family you take matters into your own hands, especially in a blue state where they'll be out in less than 10 years.
I was trying to think of the right words to say exactly that sentiment. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Evildoers should be killed let them go to hell early
You CANNOT rehabilitate narcissistic sociopaths! They WILL kill again if let out. It's not IF, but WHEN.
Yes. ...And even if you could rehabilitate, why risk it? If you catch the killer, shouldn't the public want justice for what they've done?
Is there ever a good outcome to disregarding a just and equal punishment? What about a punishment less equal because the crime was so much more henious than the worth of the individual killer?
The system caught the murderers who are just simply the most perfect candidates for the electric chair. Do we want to live in society where the system doesnt work at all? Any MORE than we already do?...
It's Canada, they'll probably give them free housing & special job placement in "tech"
Exactly. This is the big problem with Canadian law!
yeah you can it worked on me, just make you sure you lock your door at night
@@bentonrp Yeah, fully agree. Innocent people already paid the price; why should we risk more innocent people on the off chance that sadistic murderers won't kill again? How many innocent lives are worth the chance of rehabilitating one very guilty one?
I really hope that they NEVER get out. They are monsters and they can’t be fixed.
yes they can lol
If they did that to my beautiful daughter, I would be taking care of them myself. I would do it knowing that in Canada, I would be out in 25. Worth it to me.
@@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz They do it because they "THINK" they can. A like to build it and they will come.
@@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz You must be a DEMONIC THING like them
They can be fixed by execution
If I was the dad, the day they got released from prison will be their death sentence.
Sometimes you just have to take matters in your own hands. Glad to not be the father, I’d patiently wait for them to be released and dish out the appropriate punishment for these demons.
Prostate exam with a chainsaw…
no u wont
Please, spare us the tough guy routine. It's disgraceful. You wouldn't do bupkas. Stop with the ridiculous male fantasies. You'd suck it up just like their families have to. I'll wager you wouldn't fight back if someone smacked you in the face, you guys are ALWAYS all talk. Real men don't talk about it, they do it.
@@rxgz5722 Exactly.
@@rxgz5722 don't underestimate what a father will do to someone who tortured their child
My son was murdered 7 years ago.. the 3 cockroaches involved all got life with no possibility of parole thank God. That obviously is the best I can get here in Michigan. The fact that they are alive and visited by their families is way more than I can take.. it doesn't get better!
Terminally angry
I'm so sorry. I couldn't possibly imagine what it's like going through that. I think it'd break me.
The best I can hope for is that you've found a way to keep going.
I'm so so sorry for your loss
I am so sorry.
They should not get visitors at all.
I would lock them up in a single cell, forever separated alone with their own demons whom would thorn them apart piece by piece.
How do you survive the memory everyday?
Same way everyone does. One minute at a time.
As others have said, a facility of children with anxiety mixed with children prone to violence is the most idiotic combination ever. How tragic
No hate like Christian love.
As someone who struggled with similar issues to Kimberly, I can't possibly imagine the additional harm that would've been caused if I'd been placed in a school like this
@@tibo6749yeah because it’s Christians fault her parents are morons and the girl wasn’t very smart she knew they was extremely violent and done drugs she even done weed with them a lot and even fancied one of them and I don’t know take a look around the whole and you will see real hate before you start mouthing off your left wing bullshit maybe think of some other people who could be to blame for this situation before Christians as most of the kids in this school aren’t even Christians no other school will take them however let’s look up the non Christians school I bet they have a perfect record some of the urban schools ? Lol the killers are to blame and then their parents then her parents then maybe some blame should be put on people who get themselves into stupid situations with stupid people. Personal responsibility is a thing it doesn’t matter if your a victim or not if something feels off if your friends are fuck ups maybe you should leave them. This girl while sad what happened actually fancied one of them even knowing everything about him
I mean it’s called school.
@@hannahp1108kkkk😊kkkkkkk😊k😊
A lot of these people get caught for talking about what they’ve done. It makes you wonder, how many people are out there who keep there mouth closed and get away with these heinous crimes?
Her mother phrased it correctly. They are monster's. Thank you EWU Crew for sharing this.
Exactly.
What does he mean adorning the number 13, I looked up what adorning means says sum bout beauty or sum shit
I’m halfway through this video and it hurts hearing this and I’m not sure if I want to continue. I know if I was the victims mom it would be hard not to do the same thing to them if I didn’t have other kids that depended on me. Sick effers.
I believe some in prisons can reintegrate into society. On that note, there is no chance for either of these two. Pure fuckin evil man
“Those two are monsters”
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
Maybe, but let's be honest: These guys deserve the same torture they put their victim through.
Bad company ruins good morals.
What you're saying isn't justice. It's revenge, fueled by your own emotions. As egregious and nefarious these individuals (and their actions) are, letting your own emotions take over you is going to do a disservice to the justice system. Our common law system isn't the same as the Code of Hammurabi.
@@tomato-v8x It's easy for you and people like you to write something like this when it's not about you or your loved ones. You would not feel like this if Kim was your daughter. I don't know where you are from but highly unlikely from a country with a perfect justice system because that doesn't exist. Justice provided by the government in our day and age is bullshit. When dealing with pure evil like these two guys the only time when I personally can say justice has been served is when they either rot in a small cage for the rest of their lives or are executed. Life in prison I find the preferred punishment because death is the easy way out.
@Levi Gabele Feeling justified about inflicting torture on a living being is pretty far from my definition of sanity. It can be excused when you're driven mad with grief by the actions someone took upon someone you loved. You're still not in a sane state of mind. And wishing that when you're not even related to the case should actually be alarming to you.
@Levi Gabele And I think taking pleasure in torturing or the prospect of torturing another human being is not being sane. But hey, what do I know, I don't believe in a fantasy book written 2000 years ago so maybe I'm just not the right person to judge the Talion Law. Additionally, I don't think there's enough evidence throughout History showing that revenge ever managed to successfully settle feuds.
I grew up where this happened and it devastated everyone, it still to this day is something hard to talk about for us. We always will remember Kimberly.
What is your community going to do when these two get released?
I feel your pain. This was a very disturbing case.
@@theunheardprophet4315 they should get a freezer ready.
@MrHolyKindness I believe or I would suggest they need to register as a predator especially one that murders with malice because being convicted of a crime with "malice" is almost closley like a sexual predator crime where you have to register as a predator anywhere you go for life where everyone in the community knows what you did.
@@theunheardprophet4315 I'm from here aswell, I grew up associating with the people involved. One of them has been in protective custody for awhile now, if they get out they won't last very long, Langford is a relatively small community.
So on top of having to live without their beloved daughter they now have to spend the rest of their lives keeping an eye on what happens to the monsters??
When a person is convicted of a serious crime, the sentence should reflect the well-being of the victim and family. These monsters should not be allowed to set one foot outside of the prison for the rest of their lives.
Please give the family the ability to heal 🙏🏻❤️
They used the "sorry, ey!" in court so they went soft on them.
This is another horrific case I'd never heard of that really breaks my heart. Those "boys" should at least never get out of prison for what they were capable of doing to another human being . Anyone that crosses the line into murder ,especially one as heinous as this should NEVER be released !
There are many we will never here of but on UA-cam!
Agreed. But Canada does not have the death penalty, which they deserved.
Murder happens every day some stuff we don't hear about
@Daclips Video Excuse me? You're seriously saying that because of her (what amounts to normal, everyday teenage) behaviour, she deserved to be tortured and then murdered? You're going to somehow put the blame for this on the victim? You're almost as sick as the sadistic monsters who did this to her. You should go away and have a very long think about your priorities. Don't try and victim blame/shame over something this abhorrent. The fault lies solely with the torturers and murderers, not with the poor girl who died horrifically as a result of their actions.
@Daclips Video if I killed everyone that rejected me, that would be a lot of bodies
They truly crossed the line of inhumanity. They should never see the light of day without bars.
Waste of taxpayer money, let the punishment fits the crime
@@mystomachhurt9312 agreed. Death penalty should be expanded to all these degenerates
@@thedeparted8390 The death penalty is more expensive because of appeals.
@@thedeparted8390death penalty costs millions per each inmate
If it was my daughter those boys would be six feet under I promise you that
Why do schools put anxious and violent kids together 🙄
@Abortallbo Ys Huh?
#homeschool
@A.C. A. and in some places, like my city, the yearly law enforcement burger is 3x bigger than the city education budget.
The bigger question is
Why parents don't help their
Children who are violent
@Abortallbo Ys are you okay?
Canada: where assisted suicide is legal, but the death penalty is not.
Why is that strange? Assisted suicide is voluntary and death penalty is a punishment.
Absolutely sickening to think they could ever see freedom after taking a life and wanting to take another. 🤬
Welcome to western world where we protect criminals and don't give a fuck about innocent people
They keep asking for parole nd getting denied, im local and my sister was friends
@@codyfournellcsrf5164 r u serious
@@yaboiicj94 yup I swear I saw that Cruz kid on the bus with the body in the hockey bag that day.
@@codyfournellcsrf5164 wow, I pray they never see freedom.
I agree with what Kim's father said 100%.
If I were in charge, the two monsters should have at least the same treatment that they gave Kim.
then you're just as sick as them. they morally justified their actions too.
@@tnntlmmn277 Disagree. Acting in retaliation is not nearly as sick as doing it for fun.
@@tnntlmmn277 Sometimes an eye for an eye is the proper punishment.
Sometimes an eye for an eye isn't enough, IE: government corruption should lead to families of the convicted corrupt actors being entirely annihilated.
@@tnntlmmn277 that’s a dumb statement bruh
They should just be taken care of if they are released.
First off, it's heartbreaking that her family has to constantly relive this experience every few years because of the sketchy sentence the boys received. They should have had to serve at least a minimum of 40 years before they were at least eligible for parole. Now her family no longer has her, yet has to fight to keep her killers imprisoned. How fair is that? They have no peace, ever.
Secondly, I hold that school responsible for her death as well. You do Not put kids with anxiety into the same category of kids with uncontrolled anger and violence issues. That's asking for trouble. It's actually demanding trouble, and that's exactly what they did to this young lady. The school demanded trouble for this young lady and she got the trouble of her life.
as if.. "schools are never wrong" lol.
Of course they should be punished too, but that's never gonna happen in 10000 years.
I agree but Canada is a weird socialist country with very backward values so I’m not surprised. Same with the UK, there are unrepentant serial killers that are getting a max of 25 to 30 years and in Finland murderers are given cars and job training. It’s ridiculous, they have built a society that punishes you for being decent and respecting life and rewards you for murder and Canada is slowly going the same route.
they probably relive this every day of their lives from the moment they wake up and the moment they close their eyes and go to bed
I agree with you but I would state that most alternative schools do this. I don’t like it. But they do it. Schooling especially for people who need an extra hand needs to be reformed.
The girlfriends response to the confession is chilling how is evil so casual
The fact they had not one ounce of remorse and even where planning more victims is enough to lock em away and throw away the key
Why do you want people like that alive?
Life should mean ‘life.’
I hope the parole board never releases them. They are a danger to everyone. They enjoyed what they did. Even saying they wanted to do it again.
Parole was denied last year, it comes up in 5 years (4 as of 2021) I hope they never get out, but if it seems they're rehabilitated, I expect they will, especially the one that seemed more of a follower.
@@margaretr5701 You can change tho.
In Sweden, there is no life sentences or execution.
We believe in rehabiliation. 10 years is maximum sentence
The parole board and the whole f.......g system is pure crap and dangerous,
@@ricknelsonm I dont think you should be put on life.
Like, you can get executed.. but life?
Atleast give them a chance if they hit like 70 years of age and release them.
Otherwise just execute them
Agree, 💯%
Her mother was going to sew her grad dress ... 😔.
I don't know why that one factor saddens me so much. Also trying to empathize with the fear and coldness she felt as she lay beaten in a freezer ...
Rest in Peace, Kimberly. I can not even begin to imagine the amount of helplessness and terror you felt. I know you're in a better place now, wherever that may be.
I can't even imagine being placed in a dark freezer after being beaten up for hours and with duct tape covering your mouth. I mean, if they only placed me in a freezer (without beating me) I know that my heart is going to burst before I run out of oxygen..
I wouldn't call them animals, animals are far better than this.
>Her mother was going to sew her grad dress ... 😔.
>I don't know why that one factor saddens me so much.
I believe this shows you how it could be if these horrible things never happened.
I have children, and sometimes I have a fear that something can happen to them, and thoughts, that I'll never see them grow, tear me apart. It's kinda same thoughts.
@@HZHZMB You hit a good point there.
The thought that she could've had a whole life otherwise really hurts. The wonder of what she could've been, I'm not a parent yet but I always relate it to my nephews and nieces.
I can't imagine a world without those little rascals running around enjoying life.
@@yuussee Beaten, suffocated and hyperthermia. She died in a very gruesome way.
I live in the north so we have pretty cold winters. It can get to -30 Celcius with wind chill. After being reminded of this video through my comment I went outside in my normal clothes.
Myself, a grown ass man, didn't even last 3 minutes before going back inside to warm up. And you usually have to be out for like 20 min before hyperthermia becomes a serious health threat. Not even to add that she was beaten before hand.
That test just depressed me so much more ... I just hope that no person, let alone a CHILD experience this sh*t. I can't do much as one person, but I'll help what I can in my area. No one deserves that, accidental or otherwise.
I seriously don't know what goes through some people's heads to do that to someone.
This is the problem. Thinking she's in a better place is why the laws and penalties against those who break them are so pathetically WRONG. If the Judicial system and Society in general realised the logical conclusion in nothingness after death, as opposed to a kingdom in the clouds, then crimes would be more severely punished! Life is precious, and those bastards deserve to die painfully for robbing that life. I would happily be the one to swing the sword on behalf of Kimberly's parents and loved ones. For these cowardly scumbags I'd use a blunt blade for a deliberate and slow botched execution.
Isn't it wonderful to know the family has to relive this crime every five years or else he is set free so he can do it again to someone else's daughter?
I’m a firm believer in the “eye for an eye” mentality...you take a life, in certain ways, you forfeit yours
I’m with you 100%, Josh!
If its 100% proven that person did that. There's some people that got put into the death penalty for crime they didn't commit.
@@christorres9152 I completely understand! I am so thankful for how far we have progressed with forensics and DNA.
Absolutely...if people would stop and think sometimes they would realize that some people don't deserve to be here....I understand where people come from when they say we don't have the right to take a life just because they took one,but I disagree...When someone kills out of pure evil they must be put to death as well...Evil people can't be saved and even God says we have the right to put a murderer to death....If we would give the death penalty more often maybe people would think twice before killing someone
100% agree
My faith in the justice system is dying. They should not have a possibility for parole while serving a life sentence. I pray for Kimberly's family
Canadian justice system for you.
Good your beginning to wake up
@@Filterite5 I live on Vancouver Island too, the justice system is terrible. So many people just get released after proving they are a danger to the public time and time again
Just because they have a possibility of parole doesn’t mean they’ll get it.
No system is perfect 100% of the time. If there was such a thing, every country on earth would use it
As a Canadian, I'm often disgusted with the leniency of our laws. If someone can do this to a person once, guaranteed he'll do it again. Just bring back the death penalty for people like this.
i agree, but i would add a torture that has to be shown on TV , the whole torture. Because fear is the only way to control humans. good ways never work..
And people always talk crap on America’s laws.
@@drummersnare6276 because they are terrible. The rates of incarceration in America are higher than anywhere else in the world, and the rates of reoffending are shocking too. Look at Scandinavia, they have a heavy focus on rehabilitation and lenient sentences regarding length, and they have some of the lowest crime rates in the world. Do some research.
And our justice system defends themselves by pointing out the max penalties, but in reality, max penalties are almost never handed out. They are there simply to make things seem more severe than they actually are.
Drag that pathetic justine Trudeau into the courtroom to hear the details. Then dare the bastard not to snivel.
the fact that none of them are even a bit remorseful should be enough to not give them any parole for the rest of their lives. that's just crazy and they'll most likely do it again.
No words can describe the low-ness of Kruse and Cameron. Poor Kimberly and her family. I hope they can find peace someday 😥. Its truly heart breaking.
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This iş the exact reason people continue to kill 1 another the system makes
İt easy 4 them
The fact that someone who has a history torturing animals paired up with someone who is passionate about animals pisses me off, he should have never went anywhere near her
i truly weep for precious kimberly. when you are ostracized by your more socially apt peers as she was, you naturally fall in with society's rejects, even if you're of a good heart. kim was trying to seek friendship where she could find it, which is the sad thing: those monsters took advantage of her desperation for connection. just a timid child looking for a friend, absolutely sickening. i pray her soul is at rest somewhere beautiful, rest in power gorgeous girl. :(
I first heard this story on one channel that touched on it briefly. I had to research it out of need for clarification:
I could not believe how awful it was and tried to discover more and more details.
But yes, the more details I discovered, the more aware I became that no one even gave this timid, sensitive girl a chance.
Everyone let her down in the worst way possible. I think about this one very often. And the torture, violence, theft of life, theft of her future, and betrayal that Kimberly Procter had needlessly endured...
That is why you should never be friend with bullies
The best thing a murderer could do is to brag, in explicit detail, online about their crimes. I would encourage that all murderers and other criminals to do the same! Let us know about all the gruesome details of your crime!
I truly am happy when ego surpasses common sense, and these monsters essentially "tell on themselves."
Would be even better if they'd brag about the murder they were planning.
Haha I killed 47 people , not all at the same time but within a year
The transcripts of the prison phone calls between Kruse Wellwood and his mother have been made public, and they are absolutely disgusting. He's a terrible person thru and thru and I firmly believe there is zero chance at rehabilitationof any kind. There is something severely wrong with him, likely passed down from his father who is equally disgusting. If you haven't read them, and you're interested in this case, you should.
Was the mother "normal" ?
Judge not lest you be judged.
@@kevincinnamontoast3669 who's judging when you have the judgement on a silver platter? Hahahaha.
Why automatically assume the father is bad? Could be a rotten mom too...
@@kevincinnamontoast3669 Judge me, then. I didn't murder anyone, I don't really care.
"Sorry the freezer was jumping around"
Her death was terrifying..
Some people should be tortured to death for their disgusting crimes...
@Ryan Rainer Why should be the torturer tortured for teaching the psychos how their victims felt?
no. Just take them out back and shoot them quick.
@@sigma6656 thats way too easy for both parties. thats letting them off ver EASY
@@rkjeffery777 Just get it over with. The longer you dally the greater the chance that they'll escape or be let free.
Prolonging their deaths won't bring anyone back. Can you imagine being the poor bastard who has to do the torturing too? Either he'd be traumatized by the things he had to do or he'd enjoy it and get a taste for more torturing.
If there is an afterlife, then the quicker you can introduce them to true suffering the better.
If not, then it doesn't matter anyways. They won't remember any of it.
You guys really should talk to someone. Salivating at the prospect of a human being getting tortured is not normal, regardless of crimes or justification. Violent thoughts like that could express themselves as violent actions.
@@rkjeffery777 I’ve watched many jail videos on UA-cam to know that they live good in jail. Torture and death should definitely be considered for murderers.
I 100% agree with the parents. If a dog bites a kid, it has to be put down. These guys are less then dogs so why treat them with more compassion
wrong
This kind of evil doesn’t just go away in ten years. The authorities will rue the day they release them back into society...and society should be very frightened....very frightened.
10 years is too soon. If they change and feel remorse 20 years supervised for another 10 no less
@@robertwasinger2286 Nah, narsism doesnt just go away easily. Not just with men but all people that are savage that enjoy hurting others. I know one, who I will never speak to again not for nothing or anything including life. 5 years, Ive changed be a big sister, here hold your baby brother, than dangles him infront of me like a carrot enjoying causing suffering so I left as I was going insane with grief and as small child, he didnt understand so I hugged him, said I loved him and left. Worst of all no one but me cares hes getting abused. People with duty of care are often just as digusting as these monsters like the teachers and perants, I would not tolerate having a kid like that in my company even for a minute. Its gross this is evil that enjoys hurting is allowed. Really after life is better and there needs to be help available because if its not sicos to this degree, many people commit scuide because of being treated badly. Is very sad school let this happen and the perants and jail not help a single bit. Its so crazy some/most in fact people. Canibilism is not ok but normilized surprisingly. Y people tolertate these kinds of abuse and dangers, I dont understand. Is like most people are canibals.
Lol it's illegal for Canadians to defend themselves.
Eligible for parole does not mean ON parole. They will both never get out of prison and will serve their life sentences until the day they die. With the evidence available and the gruesomeness of the crime there is no parole board in the world that will say "you know what, I change my mind about the 2 men that raped, burned and sliced up an innocent girl." they will rot in prison
yeah, really. Hope when they go to parole they have and bring evidence that they had planned to kill another
Kid: I hate my father for what he did
Same kid: proceeds to do exactly what his father does and is described as “anti-female”
The apple seldomly fall far from the tree..
That's actually pretty common
this actually makes complete sense if you research the psychology
@@vIGORR imagine if psychology would be taking part in school education instead of the useless bs we have to waste our time for instead of solving real problems.. how many lives could have been safed
@@gigaxy Social studies is typically the study of culture, society, and government. It's a far cry from the education about psychology, mental health, and abuse that is lacking in most schools. And when it is presenting, more often than not it is brief, inaccurate, and stigmatizing - this is coming from a neuroscience student.
As a father I would hope they get paroled, that's the only way I could get my hands on them and give them proper justice.
Yes
Damn right.
Couldn't agree more, not a father but would love to be one day. This type of stuff are the essence of my nightmares.
They would more than likely change their names and live somewhere else. That's usually what happens in these cases
Right?! Not a father but the oldest sister of 5 and if someone harms my brothers, I'm burying you myself.
This case is really close to me as it happened in my home town. I went to the same school and my experience was pretty negative. My sisters and I were expelled from the school because one of my family members came out as gay and somehow the school found out, they were worried about “the effects rubbing off on the children “ so they asked us to find a new school. I’m humbled reading people’s comments, I didn’t think this case would ever be talked about, thank you for making this video and sharing this story. She shouldn’t be forgotten.
What the?! They actually believe people can "catch gay"?
@@NoxicIsgod thats proven
@@vacakgagyi5248 proof?
@@vacakgagyi5248 did a gay person turn u gay?
What year did you go? Who was the principle?
It’s unacceptable they have a chance to see society again. You cannot rehabilitate evil, you just can’t.
It's not evil. They are rtds.
That is just frightening...
I can't imagine the pain of getting bound in a freezer while dealing with anxiety + all the abuse she had before that... These are monsters.
I dont know what the hell is wrong with the justice system, It angers me how they can allow monsters like that out to hurt other people again. Peoples family members 😒🤬😡
This is Canada lol
If these monsters had done this in America, they would have expired with-in six months in prison!!
@Christopher Meisner why you copy and pasting the same thing on all the comments. They will be out when they are in their 40’s…
For teenagers the two carried out the crime at such an advanced level. It's the kind of thing you'd expect to see in a horror movie. There is no way they should ever be let back into society.
I believe in an eye for an eye when it comes to these cases. It's hard to hear what they did to her when you look at the case. It's terrible. It's sickening. I hope these disgusting human beings never see the light of day ever again.
They should NEVER EVER GET OUT! Get a petition ready way before they come up for parole. Kimberlys mom is right. Someone who can do that to a friend and wants to do it again needs to never be around humans. They are monsters not humans .
THEY WILL SO STFU
That poor girl. Kimberly 100% did not deserve what happened to her. The suffering she went though is unimaginable. There is no word to describe the boys other than 'monsters'.
The thought that these two could possibly be let out of prison someday is terrifying
@troy Ferrington
applause murmurs as it grows to a savage appreciation…
10 Years is an insult to the memory of Kimberly and her family and friends, I don't know what's more horrific, what they did to her, or the so called justice system that globally seems to consider the offenders rather than the victims, disgraceful, such a pretty girl with her whole life ahead of her, so sad, what a tragic waste of life.
RIP Kimberly.
I think the sentence is life in prison with possibility of parole after 10 yrs which was denied in 2020. Next hearing in 2025. This is torture for the family
@@Naz-M well, if they get released, the family can take matters in their own hands.. What's the worst, it could be 10 years in prison ? Very well worth it for my daughter to rest in peace
@@aiightbet4582 they should not get paroled. Family need to be at ease that they don't have to go and pledge that the parole is denied. That there is a possibility they may get out. It is what it is but the sentence was not harsh enough. No parole.
@@Naz-M I know that why am saying these lenient sentences are a joke but if I was in the family's shoes, and they ever get released, I'll go take the matter in my own hands.
People...learn to read. LIFE IN PRISON, with chance of parole after 10 years which they're not going to get.
They should never be released. If they can commit such a horrific and brutal murder at such a young age, then they will continue to murder if they are ever released. Prison will only harden them, making them more dangerous.
Release them in Texas. We need a little more target practice.
"God I hate murderers so much, I want to be a murderer. Fuck, I fantasize so much about murder, god I'd love to murder people. Btw, hate murderers, totally."
@@leahsander5490 Get off your high horse
@@hellyee4250 Not wanting to murder people = being on a high horse...
Get out of the gutter
@@leahsander5490 Nothing wrong with bad people dying
Nothing wrong with it... Its the killing of the Innocent that is wrong. I'd say put them all into a cage of hungry wild cats and bears
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So I don’t know how I stumbled into this video, but we went to school together. I remember the event, and how devastating it was. A close friend of mine was good friends with her back in the day. I didn’t personally know her well, but it shook the school.
Hearing the details, that weren’t included in local news, is incredibly heartbreaking.
I as well went to the school I remember how it shook everyone as well, my best friend was the one who got hit in the head with the shopping cart chain outside of Belmont in the smoking pit. He was really close with Kimberly, he loved her. She would sometimes come and hang out with us at my friends place. She was a very gentle person. I actually was a suspect at first and was questioned by the police, as I happened to walk over the bridge that morning and saw the fire. Although I did not know what it was, just thought some homeless persons fire. It was such a weird spot for them to leave the body, the place where everyone used to smoke weed at. I still can't go over that bridge to this day. Her family called my friend Justin the night before asking if we have seen her, as it wasn't normal for her to not come home. Me and all my friends that night went out looking for her calling anyone we could think of. I remember him saying something about Cruise, as he never trusted him.
I was so nervous to talk to the police for some reason, Blair talked me into it as it could help the police possibly. I was literally shaking and crying.
Laws are so lenient on those under 18, they deserve numerous life sentences without possibility for parole so they are made to wait out their miserable lives in prison
That does not prevent these types of murders.
@@wgjung1 It prevents them from happening again when they get out
@@shawnoxo He's never getting out.
If they can commit a murder then they can also serve they’re time in a adult prison, most kids now idolize killers or they have these little sayings like “smoke opps” or “catching body’s” nah they should make an example out of these kids and start giving these little gangster clowns life without the possibility of parole they’re little 16 year old bum would get taken by force in their too😂
@@wgjung1 It is to prevent these pieces of dirt from seeing daylight, tf you talking about? Who said it would? Why do people answer with shit that is off topic.
Something about traveling in public with a dead body inside a bag gives me even stronger chills than their lack of empathy for victim
I know enough about WoW to tell you that every last bit of your data is saved, down to how you moved your character. Those logs don't go ANYWHERE, and GMs can pull them up at any time they want.
This is so heartbreaking! My heart breaks for her family. Her mom will never recover from this. Poor girl
This is so sad. One of the most chilling case but also the most unfair punishment being sentenced😔.
I feal like the laws weren't designed to have young people do such horrific things, so when it does happend the punishment is completely out of place. The fact that they get to enjoy their late 20s when they get out is absolutely insane. I know that you do "dumb" stuff when you are younger, but this wasn't just "dumb", it was purely evil.
Exactly and the biggest factor of all... The knowledge of Right and Wrong. Period.
Thats the thing, they likely won't get out for their 20's at least. Just because they can apply for parole after 10 years does not mean they will get it. And from what I have seen from Kruse, he won't be granted that anytime soon.
Canada has very lenient sentences, one of my friends in Canada told me of that kid, I think 9, in a town near them died from a hit and run. The person responsible lived only a minute away from the scene and he even tried to change his truck's appearance. They gave him only 3 years in prison. Could you imagine losing your child and the person responsible gets to walk free just years later.
There was an old woman killed by a hit and run as she left bingo in Wales last year, and I seen the guy a month later walking the streets😕😔
Omar Khadir was a terrorist that killed a US solider in Iraq. After Gbay was closed Trudeau released him, apologized, and cut a cheque for $10.5 million. Every Canadian is angry. Look up "Maid" I'll get in trouble for explaining what it is. UN should be putting sanctions on Trudeau. There is many others that are even worse.
I once spoke with Kimberly's mom, not realizing who she was. I felt so shocked to be looking at a fellow mom that had been through this. I've always regretted not talking to her again. I wished I could have told her "don't let them spoil your Kimberly's memory, by being crushed by what Kim went through. I wish she could get to a place where only her little girls shines through, in memories. Not the last thing that Kim went through...but all the rest of Kim's life "I wished she could have told me about her daughter, who she was, what she was like. But I could see the pain the mom was in and the fact she couldn't speak of Kim because it hurt so bad. But there had to be a lot to this young girl. Who was she? What was she like? I'm angry that not only did these young monsters hurt Kimberly and take her life...but they also get to steal the true memory of who Kimberly was. So, what was Kimberly like in life, not just her horrific death, but her...who was she?
I'm sorry
@Mario Agreed
If she didn’t bring it up, it’s best if you don’t. She didn’t want to talk about it and forcing someone to talk about something because you think you might help isn’t the right thing.
You're a weirdo fam. Don't bother her like that.
Will all of you shut up??? OP said they didn't ask but wanted to. WANTED to but didnt.
Its insane that they could consider parole after only ten years for such horrible crimes. If that was my daughter I would be waiting for them when they got out.
Canadian law is a joke I know firsthand
@@DylanDuGay88I have seen Americans complain American law is a joke, letting out kid diddlers but going ham on people caught with weed: though I too dislike stoners, they should only receive a few lashes and do community service, not be locked up longer than a kid diddler.
Why do you dislike stoners? I've done nothing wrong to anybody.@@SéaFid
My thoughts are almost as dark as the crime itself, keep the public informed of who they are and what they did and then inform us if or when they should happen to be out and about in the world they dont deserve.
If I lived near them I would make they’re life real hard
Please don't EVER let these monsters out. EVER!!! Someone should set them up a fight with another inmate so they lose a possibility of a parole forever.
Canada really needs to toughen up their justice system.
That's what happens when you have a government run by liberals. Liberals always side with the offenders and make them look like the victim and usually have zero concern or sympathy for the actual victim.
how much tougher do you want? death penalty? its been proven time and time again that it is not a deterrent. its been proven that rehab works better and lowers recidivism rates more than any so called deterrent
I understand the sentiment. But note that the murder rate in America, where we have the death penalty and ostensibly tougher sentencing _on average_ (that is, not in every case a person could cite), is considerably higher than Canada's and that of other so-called Western democracies that are more lenient than the USA in sentencing. So if your goal in advocating for tougher sentencing is to reduce murder rates (i.e, deterrence), you're likely barking up the wrong tree. If, however, you are interested in making sure that the guilty parties suffer as much as possible (i.e., retributivism) because they deserve it, even if it doesn't lower the murder rate, and even if it may possibly contribute in an indirect way to a higher murder rate, then you're probably on target.
@@MayorGoldieWilson825 B.S. lol
@@mimim7026 look up the guy who beheaded a guy on a Canadian greyhound bus. Yeah he's free. Please tell me more about their great judicial system.