Cowboy Bebop (Netflix 2021) - Angry Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex talk about the Colossal Space Trash that is the Netflix Adaptation of the Legendary Anime, Cowboy Bebop and why it doesn't work!
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The level of consultant Watanabe was on this,
"Hey Shinichiro, can we do a cowboy bebop live action?"
"Yeah sure."
"Thanks bro. We'll say you consulted."
"Ok, dont fuck it up."
"Uh... yeah totally."
I saw Watanabe at London MCM !! He was promoting Carole and Tuesday (good anime!) hoping to get a season 3 from Netflix. Saw him give a live talk, which was fantastic to be part of. First question from the audience was "do you have any part in the live action Cowboy Bebop" and the answer was "no". He had no part in the live action.
Yes, Consulted roles are very often a paycheck in return from shilling. Like James Cameron did with Terminator Dark Fate. Despite that movie going against a lot of stuff he has said in the past and some of his bigger criticism to the Alien Franchise he did a 180 when it came to shilling for Dark Fate. They do this instead of getting the fucking people that made it into what was great directly involved with the production. Like we are getting a new 90s X-men show the people who made it so great the show runners are still working but they hired someone within Disney inner circle and just have the old Showrunnners as "consultants".
I don’t think these guys understand the crime noir genre ant that it is supposed to be cringe. These guys were most likely still kids when the the first cowboy bebop came out and missed that it is a parody of American crime noire. This was a pretty good live action representation of the anime.
I really felt Joe when he talked about the "You're gonna carry that weight." Line. They really did not understand how to do those fade to black moments. Those were some of the deepest parts of bebop and they just used them as end titles with no meaning.
most creators do give their consent and check the production of these stories but fans are fans.. creators aren't unfallible.. the person they were when they created the source material of course changed from then to now....
Alex really nails it. Honestly his look of disappointment is already telling you everything you need to know, and then he puts it perfectly into words.
Ikr? All we need is Alex's expression for 2 seconds.
Meh peeps just being dramatic
@@pube66 Precisely. His moping at the start and throughout looks so pathetic.
The show is good though. These guys are overhyping the originals also imho
@@_.-Smokelo-._ Says you.
The fact that both critics and public viewers hate it says what this show really is.
You are just salty that not everyone is as "diverse" as you.
@@buggart Last critic I saw liked it, but did say he could easily see why most won't. I'll give it a try.
"How does it feel to live long enough to see all of your favorite franchises go down in flames?" - Rich Evans
"Feels great" - Mike Stoklasa
haha redletter, nice reference bro
Well at least those franchises are better than anything those two bastards have done on their shitty channel
@@sebastianguerrero6617 ñ
@@sebastianguerrero6617 ?
@@sebastianguerrero6617 L
i did think that Mustafa Shakir did a great job of playing Jet. He was the only character who i felt really portrayed the same style and ultimately feel of the character from the anime
I feel like jet in the original show didn’t care much about spike’s past, but in the adaptation he has a whole argument with spike about it. I don’t even remember jet saying anything about spike’s past until the last couple of episodes in the anime, but even then when he asks about it, he’s basically says that he doesn’t really care but thought to ask
@@Rastafarianinja Jet's issue with Spike's past in the anime is really simple, they've grown fond of one another and are practically the best of friends. He'd rather his friend not go to what is expected to be his final demise, goes as far to tell him if he leaves to never come back, but relents and lets him go after Spike pretty much fills him in with a "fairy tale" version of his past. Even Faye holds Spike at gunpoint for him not to leave and relents discharging her gun inside the Bebop. For the most part, no one cares for one another's past because as she repeats to Spike in his own words "The past doesn't matter". In the anime it's less that they care about his past, and more that they care that the past is dragging him away to will probably be his demise.
@@Rastafarianinja agreed but as for the attitude and sound of Jet, he plays it perfectly. Loving the anime, his voice and demeanor was convincing
Also Jhon Cho was really pn point, sad, that both of them participated in this shit show, hope it wont ruin them as an actors.
same, he played jet very well.
The second it faded in and I saw Alex’s face looking like he’s contemplating the death of a loved one, I knew everything I needed to know. RIP big man, neither you nor the anime deserved this fate.
You mean the Epic Fail plastered across the thumbnail didn’t clue you in first? Lol
@@jeffn4836 🤣🤣🤣🤣… Some people cant read 🤷🏾♂️
@@lilsabin Ha! It seems so!
This live action is dog shit, garbage of the highest degree, pile of steaming shit, abomination they dared to adapt from the anime. Please do not watch it I watched maybe 3 1/2 -4 1/2 episodes going in with the lowest standards and knowing it would be shit but wanting to compare. I instantly regretted watching within first min because it is garbage that shits in 99.99% of the anime source material. John Cho did good with what I got and for all intent I think he tried to make the series work by doing things on his own to help like asking for Yokko Kano to write the music. Jets actor killed it as his character. The rest of what I saw was shit but the liberty they took with characters pissed me off they totally rewrote characters personalities and storylines or introductions which is shit if the creators want to do shit like that just don't adapt and fuck off with that bullshit it's not Cowboy bebop!!!😡😡😡
@@KazukoLight get back on your meds
man Alex's resting sad face throughout the whole video says it all..... feels bad man. Feel better Alex..
Alex always looks like that lol
Lol he ain’t never been happy dude stays disappointed 😅😅
@@lani1988 he’s just hyper critical, lol we need more people like him
@@TheThizzlefrizzle I know lol I just can’t wait to see something that makes him hype
Wanna give the poor guy a hug
I got to see 10 episodes of Cowboy Bebop when it released in America. I worked nights in a restaurant and didn't have dvr. I knew something special was going on with what I did see and I purchased the series for myself. I loved it as I was a young father working hard and many of the episodes spoke to me on a very personal level. I re-watched the anime in preparation for this adaptation. By the halfway point of episode 1 of this live action version I was furious. I finished that episode and figured I have seen enough.
I agree with Alex, Netflix needs to put more work into who they hire to do these live action remakes of animes because this Super Mario Brothers Movie level of nonsense is getting old, fast!
i couldnt even finish the first episode its pure shit
gundam's right, what they did with our cowboy bebop is a fucking crime against anime
SUPER MARIO BROTHERS HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA INDEED
Netflix does put in a lot of work on who they hire. They make sure to hire exclusively Progressive and Socialist cultists interested in tearing down culture.
Just don't do it. Period! Anime can NEVER work in real space!
UNLESS you actual start treating the source material as not anime and use film techniques that actually work in real space. That is VERY hard to pull off!
Cowboy Bepop was a magnificent Film Noire space detective story, full of dark humor and the gritty reality of life. Bounties were the MacGuffin that moved the plot and stories forward, with the larger, main elements woven into the background. The slow reveal of the bigger picture was captivating, like keeping your eyes on a pack of giant rats for any danger then suddenly realizing that there is a gigantic dragon, in the darkness behind them. I guess all that is left is for Akira to be trashed by these incompetent buffoons.
And you know Netflix could afford to buy it outright but hopefully they won't unless warner bros comes through or Sony, but I love Akira and I hope nobody pulls off an Airbender production style film or worse yet Cowgirl bebop
This is one of those moments you can just look at Alex and you can see him expressing how disappointed he is in the live action. Funny part is that Alex really didn't talk a whole lot this time.
A picture says a thousand words personified.
I’m just glad our boy got a win with Arcane to cleanse his palate. He deserves happiness too.
Now imagine if they made a live action YuGiOh.
Just.....IMAAAAGINE. That would be a horror show.
Don't give them any ideas lmao
Noooooooo pls gods no!!!
Or actual pokemon outside of pokemon live god no
Talked about it to my bf last night, Willem DaFoe as Kaiba lol
@@michaelgunnels9694 they already did that and it was pretty good for a videogame movie
Why did they make Julia a villain? Just by doing that, it ruins the character of Spike. The loss of the woman he loves, is the reason why he's adrift lost in time. The basis of am I alive, or is this all a dream? It destroys the bittersweet meaning of his existence.
That's just one of the many things wrong with the Netflix series. Vicious is reduced to nothing more than a cartoon Kylo Wren character. His lack of emotion and the mystery, is what made him so dangerous/ scary. Not even going to touch Faye. This show is a bastardization of the original Cowboy Bebop.
I think they want to make something different for this adaptation, a deconstruction for shock factor.
Like "Julia is the real villain, guys. She's not the goddess like Spike's imagine, she's actually worse than Vicious"
Also, twist villain is way overused nowadays. Superhero movies using them too much, they become not interesting
They didn't understand it so they decided to make something 'cooler'. That's it.
In my honest opinion, the whole Julia thing rubs me the wrong way because she didn't earn ANY of what she got. It felt like the writers just wanted her to be the villain over Vicious because they felt bad that they had put Julia in an abusive relationship and couldn't fathom her growing out of said relationship organically. Instead, they gave her artificial power; She's like a live McGuffin. Vicious is a man-child; completely ruining the character. Faye just needed to stop cursing (I'm ok with her interpretation of the character save for that aspect cause holy shit). I'm not amused that they gave Jet a kid just so that kid could inform their plot points in Episode 9...feels forced and unearned.
Yep. I have to say I agree that Mustafa killed it as Jet. I also think John Cho did a surprisingly really good job understanding Spike. I just wish wardrobe would lose the headphones that look like he snitched them off some teen walking by in the street. Everyone and everything else sent the show down the tubes.
Cuz Julia was dumb and boring in the anime. This makes her more interesting
My wife wanted for us to see Cowboy Bebop, and before she could hit play I snatched the remote from her hand and told her that they would F up a classic anime like this just like they did with Death Note and immediately put on the anime version of it. (She is not a big fan of anime btw) but she is loving Cowboy Bebop thus far.
You are a hero.
Not all heroes wear capes
Smart man
Doing God's work.
In all fairness Death Note was a far bigger shit show than this but I just can't stand how bad the director is at understanding the deeper meaning of the visuals of the original show. It's a cheap ripoff of a smarter creator.
The sad thing is they could've actually done this pretty well, because cowboy bebop is a space western that goes deep in the humanity of people. The anime even borrows from western culture.
@Ally two of my favorite ships. The serenity and the bebop
@Ally not in todays climate
@Ally HARD AGREE. Wasted Opportunity as the Firefly Universe already has an excellent Companion to lovers of the Bebopverse. PLUS, like Cowboy Bebop, Firefly has no Extra-Terrestials or Aliens. Just Humanity still being their own worst enemy even in a space faring future.
Yeah. That’s why I thought this could have been a great live action adaptation. Because Firefly is very similar. Space western. Focuses on the crew. And has a subtle background story with the doctor and his sister.
Right. I wasn't expecting greatness, but I thought it could at least be solid. I wasn't even bothered by the seeming lack of Ed because I thought she seemed to whacky to work in live action. Funny how that ended.
Therapist: Live Action Ed doesn’t exist it can’t hurt you
Live Action Ed:
I've seen that scene so much, I'm numb to it.
Live action Ed is a prime example on how cartoons can never been adapted and yes, I said cartoon because that's what Netflix is doing, turning an anime into a cartoon
SPIKE SPIEGEL!!!
@@Excalibur01 I mean anime are cartoons, but I agree.
@@TheBleachj16 Japanimation then. Cartoons are mostly associated with the west while anime or in this case, Japanimation is made by Japanese people.
All I wanna say is, for those who know, when I first saw the episode (in the original anime) of Faye returning to Earth, the news she received, and the accompanying music...holy fuck man. It wasn't just a cartoon/anime whatever... I had tears of joy, of sadness, of existentialism...The conversations were also beautiful. I didn't mind not seeing action throughout a whole episode.
NOW. HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND, TO ADMIRE, TO TAKE IT ALL IN.
WHY DOES EVERY FUCKING PIECE OF MODERN CULTURE PRODUCED THESE DAYS HAVE TO BE AT THE "BPM" OF A FUCKING TWITCH STREAMER WITH ADHD.
Sorry to interrupt your rant. What is a BPM?
@@MrCurbinator Beats per minute.
@@Omega4Productions 🤦♂️ welp, I feel stupid. Carry on citizen
Take a break guy………..
My friend showed me the clip of the "blackmail" joke and Faye's introduction to Spike where they show scars, made me never want to watch a single second of an episode. I'm glad it got cancelled. Alex, you summarized this so perfectly.
You should have OJ come back and make a mini-review of the anime to see how his opinion changes after seeing Bebop in it's full glory
Yes! I'd love to watch that!
Yes please.
I was just going today that
Please do so! He really needs the context
Yeeeesssss
Live Action Ed has to be the cringiest thing I have ever seen on TV
That’s the thing tho. It’s not like the person playing Ed is a back actor, it’s just that Ed does not work in live action
Omg yes almost turned it off smh can any body get live action anime movies right
Ed is one of those characters that is near impossible to translate into live action without making it look really cringey
@@Rithvik2001 Ed’s Exaggerated movement can only be done in Animation and that’s why Live Action Anime adaptations don’t work
It’s Netflix ROFLMAO. Streaming has absolutely ruined the quality of movies
Alex’s concert analogy is so spot on.
Alex did a great job keeping his cool here while looking like he was going to lose his shit for the whole 35 minutes. 😂 Cheers guys ❤
the only thing I love about the live action is that the japanese dub has the original voice actors and they still nails it 20 years later.
Thats amazing
....that is pretty boss tbh
I thought Steve Blum was the original VA for Spike?
@@jemperor642 in English, yes.
@Name in animes a lot of people care REALLY much about the voice actors and voice actresses providing their voices to the series or movie, if not for the fact that a lot of Japanese voice actresses and actors end having a musical career in J-Pop. For example, the woman behind the original voice of Faye Valentine is a staple of the voice acting in animes and she has like 15 J-Pop albums alone under her belt, not including singles and compilations,
"You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you wanna sell it."
Who made that qoute?
@@ronin4785 I believe it is from Jurassic Park.
That’s oddly how I feel about Halo Infinite lol
@@JH-zs6vh At least it's free though.
@@ronin4785 Jeff Goldblum
Yoko Kanno did the music for both series, which explains why there's similarity there. If you listen to the score on a streaming service, it's still really good. I think what failed the score wasn't Kanno; it was the editing.
Japanese story writing = "I will put forth the greatest of efforts here to create a masterpiece!"
American story writing = "Lol, look at how many paint chips I ate. Hrrrghghghghg......"
I saw this coming. The only one who has made a decent adaptation of an anime was when they did Alita Battle Angel, which was made by a fan and the rights was owned by a fan, so I guess that helped a lot
What about kenshin? And gantz, or assassination classroom, and Another
GINTAMA live action, trust me you will not be disappointed
Yo, Joe hated that movie too. I'm sad because I liked both 😔
Don’t forget edge of tomorrow
James cameron worked on that. I believe anime adaptations can be done but by masters like james cameron steven spielberg zach snyder i believe can pull it off
I’ve never cringed so hard in my life when Edward appeared. That’s one anime character that needs to stay anime.
I hated Ed in the anime too...
It was like a jump scare. Even though I saw ppl talking about it on Twitter still made jump
@@Isnogood12 I hate u ,ed is a God send
It was embarrassing
If Edward was in real life, it would make anyone "cringe"
Because Edward is "cringe"
Well said guys. My brother watched the the Netflix version the other day and said he lived it but he hadn't seen the original. I'll be interested to see how much he changes his opinion after he views the organisation this week. As for myself there is no hope in hell that I will watch this show. I will not allow the original to ever be sullied in my mind.
When Alex talks about how a person with no back knowledge might enjoy this, as they come in new. However, a person with the prerequisite knowledge of what it is 'supposed' to be, knows how bad the 'new' version is.
That gave me HUGE "Maze Runner" vibes.
I never saw the Anime and was considering the adaptation into live action. Though, no longer, out of respect for the concept Alex pushes here. A concept for which I am all too experienced having been burnt by Maze Runner and The Dark Tower and other adaptations like Assassin's Creed or Prince of Persia or Tomb Raider.
The confounding thing is that when you do a live adaptation you would expect that they would maintain the things that work and take liberties with the elements that don't translate to live action but in many cases they did the opposite. Like they one-to-one scenes and elements that obviously don't work and then make huge diversions on things like plot and characterization that were originally some of the best ever put on screen.
That's because if they just copied the original, you'd just hate it for not being different AND not meeting your expectations. They were never going to win against people who can't appreciate ADAPTATION. It's NOT a recreation. Look up the two words, you'll find they are different.
@@JoshStobart Uhmm... Parasyte was amazing and it almost followed the whole anime. What's their excuse?
@@JoshStobart It's not that people are mad at similarities or differences, it's about the vibe of the show, the original show had such a wide range of characters and plot, it never felt like the plot is moving the characters, but that the character is moving the plot forward.
There are a lot of things that could have worked better as a live-action. if they nailed the vibe of the character and then do a completely different story, it still would have irked some people but ultimately appreciated by many. But here they do the same story with the same characters, but there's this weird vibe that it just doesn't fit, and the plot is the only thing moving characters forward.
For Example, Spike in anime is just cool dude that doesn't try to hard and that makes him likeable. But the Netflix version, Spike try way to hard to become a cool character, that it feels that an imposter is trying to act as Spike.
All in all, adaptation will inherently different from the source, there's no helping that, the best thing that can help save the transition, is how much worth is the adaptation, to either add to the story or be an alternative to the source that people can enjoy. In that sense, Netflix's Cowboy Bebop's adaptation while nailing costumes and sets, just feels off when the story and characters starts moving.
Of course, I'm speaking as someone who watched the anime, and no matter how much I want it I can't forget the show to experience watching it again. So someone new trying the Netflix version will feel completely different and I can't really speak for them.
@@ardyverse2454 they could have done a different story or alternate timeline. Besides characters in Netflix sucking the story adaptation and writing sucks.
@@liquidknives6275 Exactly, they could take the universe of Bebop and expand the world in so many experimental ways, some may flop but some could be enjoyable, but at least people who watched the series will give a watch to see what's different. But Netflix decided that they would first ruin the original cast and then run them dry with original, uninspired content for 10 more seasons.
I mean hopefully, they learn from feedback and come back with a banger second season, but I'll hold my breath on that one.
As someone who's two favorite anime are Ghost in the Shell (both the original and Standalone Complex) and Cowboy Bebop, seeing both getting absolutely disassembled and desecrated by Hollywood is painful.
Cowboy beboop is not a good anime it has a bad ending no real story
@@deandredunbar9618 look at this poor troll lmao
Both are fine, in 20yrs they will be looked at the same as we look at bad 90s movies.
@@lordfrz9339 what lmao. It's been 20 years already lol. You think another 20 is gonna change anything?
Don't let them touch Trigun!
the dude who played Jet would be perfect to play Dutch from Black lagoon - if (god help us) they ever make a live action version - he really was one of the best parts about this whole farce of a show.
My girlfriend hated everytime I would randomly put the anime on, like hated it but always felt like she didn't understand it. We started watching the live action show and enjoyed it, now going back to the anime she's enjoying watching it now.
it seems that their takeaway from the anime was quirky action and music. But the anime is actually is rather sad, where often they fail in their objectives because they value their humanity above personal gain. The comedy comes from their interactions, not their personalities. Ed is an eccentric character, not an overtly obnoxious one it's almost as if they read a wiki page on the series and scraped the most surface level character traits and made that their whole personality.
Funny you should say that. I've been watching the anime with my gf for the first time. What I noticed is the anime shows all the bounties that went "wrong". Obviously, they have some normal bounties or they wouldn't be in the business. So yeah, it makes sense that it is rather sad.
One thing that that my gf noticed is that Spiked is charming because he doesn't try hard and is laidback. The Spike in the live action tries way too much and it has the opposite effect.
That's because the Anime is ironically more Western with its influences than the Live action sloppy seconds funny enough. The anime draws very much on crime thrillers and film noir, where the world and situations never truly end on a happy note or tie up neatly by the end of a case. There is always a price or consequence to be paid and Bebop was never afraid of that happening on numerous occasions, even with its own finale.
Anime was never one thing.
@@cookeris no clue what you're referring to with a comment as vague as that lol
@@reapermort99 I assume they're saying the anime was never one thing (or even one genre). It's multiple. As someone else mentioned, it's very heavily inspired by crime thrillers and film noir, but they neglected to mention the influence of western films (The genre, not movies from the Western hemisphere). It literally says in the opening that it's a marriage of multiple genres, which will in turn become a new genre itself. Regarding the things one might take away from it, you can learn multiple lessons from it. Dealing with loss, accepting the past, etc.,
"The boogeyman isn't scary when you see him under 5000k lighting" as an electrician I died 🤣
RIP Mr Electrian man. 🙏 you died laughing and smiling. 😔
The Vicious isnt scary under party mode skypanels is more applicable here
Fun Fact: They didnt even consult the original writers, but still put their name in the credits.
To be fair, Alice in Borderland was done wonderfully. Its possible to make a good anime to live action adaptation. But the issue is when the live action tries too hard to be "unique" and change the overall story instead of just sticking with the original source as much as possible.
Well the problem is we don't want a scene by scene copy of the anime. That would be boring. Look at the Disney live action remakes.
I feel like Japanese production teams have better odds of understanding their native IPs. Alice in Borderland, Kenshin, and Death Note (Japanese live actions) are great examples of doing it right
@@salamander337 You're wrong there. Most people just want a mostly scene by scene remake. Every single SHITTY adaptation goes almost totally original style and it turns to garbage. And almost every amazing adaptation is about 90% exact to the original anime. Rurounin Kenshin is another good example. Do you really want more Dragonball Evolutions and Avatar the Last Airbenders?
The difference is that this is a Western rendition of a Japanese anime where as Alice in borderland is a Japanese rendition of a Japanese anime. They usually know how to remake their own stuff
@@TimmySquibs And why is that? Is it because the characters are already Japanese? How would people feel if they were a diverse casts?
I'm not even surprised anymore when these live action anime adaptations end up being terrible. Dragon Ball Evolution and a ton of others have shown that(with rare exceptions) they simply don't work. Especially when made by western studios in the modern era. You can make augments for how they could work, but the reality shows they almost never do.
Sadly they're coming for one of my all-time favorite series Yu Yu Hakusho next. I recommend everyone check out that anime, since it's one of the best. Don't let the Netflix show be your first experience.
Let's be fair; even the Japanese live action versions suck big balls.
@@vorpalrabbit4927 I actually enjoyed the live action Gantz films
Alita Battle Angel was good but then Rodriguez is a good director and has the sensibilities
ok so first bleach was not to bad....but check out winx club ....im crying so much
Maaaaan, some studio is gearing up Gundam too! If that fails im gonna bawl lol
Jet was the most accurate part of the show. John Cho just couldn't capture the flare of Spike and Daniella acted like a high schooler who cusses just for the sake of cussing. The fight choreography was bad as well. Oh and whoever made Vicious' wig should be fired. I was so distracted by it in every scene he was in. I did like the locations though. They were all pretty creative.
Oh gawd yes, the fight scenes! Terrible!
Of John was 20 years younger it might have worked. I just find it cringe and hard to watch.
You can’t blame Daniella for just bad writing.
I was distracted by Vicious in every scene he was in. Like did I remember him as this Boogeyman in my child brain when in reality he was a crybaby wimp living in spikes shadow?
@@coltonpiper6156 I was going to say this as well. The Faye character was written TERRIBLY. The real Faye is a conniving con artist who starts off caring about no one but herself and eventually opens up by the end of the series. They made her look like such a fuckin' goofball.
“I liked the original Cowboy Bebop, but it really needed a scene about genital shaving,” said no one ever.
Idk how many times Netflix needs to be shown that making a live adaptation of an anime and not honoring the source material will turn it into a dumpster fire that even people new to the series won’t enjoy, I knew as soon as this was announce it was gonna be butchered into some monstrosity that no way resembles the story or vision the original portrays. It’s a constant kick in the balls to fans who love Cowboy Bepop
Faye's Actor actually believes they "FIXED" Cowboy Bebop & Faye's character.😂
Of course she does.
Even if she doesn't actually believe in any of the nonsensical ideology, she can't go against it, since she would get eaten by the crowd that surrounds her ^^
She seems like an unlikeable human being just like her portrayal of Faye
I'm not going into politics, i will say there is a reason Faye and Women over the generations have dressed in skimpy/sexy clothes. It's a way to open doors as well as open opportunities on unsuspecting marks.
@@CheefChaos ?
@@CheefChaos Not to mention Faye is a femme fatale so the actor & the writers never understood or cared about the character from the start.
Joe: "Every time something gets serious they turn it into a joke"
*Sees that the writer worked for Marvel
Well...now it makes sense
Yeah I didn't get that critique considering these guys typically love all the generic MCU trash.
@@fromash5289 Just because I love watching comedy sitcoms like Big Bang Theory and FRIENDS doesn't mean that I want all the sitcoms to be like them.
Disney Marvel joke formula is already stale and overused at this point.
@@buggart You... you call those comedies?
@@fromash5289 For the most part yes?
What do you call them then?
Netflix: we be making live action based anime movie. Everyone: oh nooo... not again..
I think they could have introduced Vicious much later, and made it more episodic with each episode being a bounty, like X Files or Smallville used to do. However, once they got moving it was pretty good.
This is my all-time favorite series, and the live-action was on my list; then, I saw Alex's face in the first few seconds.
How could they have even come close to the original?
@@brokenthunder4163 They could start by not completely fing it up.
Lol
alex doesnt like anything
@Soffici_Volpe Give it a chance. CB is also my all time favorite series. However...I loved this adaptation. I'm not agreeing with all the hate. I just don't understand the hate. Purists?? Get over it kids...
This is probably my favorite take from Alex he’s not ranting over it he’s playing the middle man really well and not letting his emotions get to him
We can feel his bone deep sadness and exhaustion that he can't even be bothered to get angry any more. It was an unpleasant pile of nasty he stepped in but it's going to be scraped off and forgotten.
I think Episodes 1 - 8 were...Okay...if you divest yourself from your knowledge of the original. The problem is that for the resolution episodes 9 - 10 did not work on their own. There's literally no reason for any of what happened in 9 to have happened to these characters from what we know from 1 - 7. More egregiously, they removed any agency Spike had in going to the church himself to confront Vicious and instead had him moved there via capture. THEN, they had him be saved, walk out of the church then GO BACK IN....the grave sin there being that they played the song from the original anime during this scene but it doesn't have the same impact if Spike isn't walking up on the church strapped for war on his own volition. Furthermore, when Spike falls from the window, the emotional blow is cheapened because of who made him go through the window, the lack of the grenade explosion blowing out the stained-glass window, and him SOMEHOW WALKING FALLING 3 STORIES to the concrete off - as in the next scene he's seen limping his way back to the Bebop (which would have been very, VERY far away). Let's not even talk about them playing the song, "Green Bird" during his fall; lacking in all the emotions it carries in the original because they've literally changed the story.
I was so deeply offended by how they handled A Balled of Fallen Angels in this show. In the anime, it’s one of Spike’s most epic moments. He’s facing what is likely certain death (and alluding to his eventual death) against waves of syndicate hitmen by himself. That’s what made the scene that powerful. He showed up to rescue Faye, even though up until that point it didn’t really seem like he cares for her (if they didn’t want it to be Faye, it could’ve been Jet being held hostage instead and it would’ve worked for this show). And the fact he was able to survive only to be met by Vicious (who creepily emerges from the shadows like a ghost!) and was able to survive using his sleight of hand to toss a grenade at Vicious’ feet at the last second, made it one of the most powerfully epic moments in anime history IMO.
The Netflix version doesn’t do ANY of that!! And instead, Spike is rescued by Faye. They play the epic music only for Spike to take out two syndicate goons before facing Vicious. It’s such an atrocious desecration of the original that it’s hard to stomach, on TOP of the nonsensical and unnecessary “twist” that they thought was so clever. Instead of making Spike look like the competent syndicate enforcer that he was, this show makes him look like a clumsy fool who gets lucky occasionally. I honestly gave this show a chance and it ultimately disappointed me in the worst way.
For those poor souls that finished the anime *before* watching this series because it was hyping for it (X-D), I highly recommend Carole & Tuesday (also on Netflix). Despite not being a direct sequel to Cowboy Bebop at all, I believe it's a spiritual sucessor since it happens in the same universe and is also directed by Shinichiro Watanabe.
I watched and bought all the DVDs back then and loved the live action show. They made great changes and made the characters way more interesting
@Billy Kinopio
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A relatively calm Joe, that lets Alex and OJ speak without interupting. Actually asking the others questions and waiting for them to answer. Good wibes.
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means yeah, they should have let OJ talk first since he watched completely blind to the bebop lore. When Alex talk first, he influenced OJ's view on the show and not his genuine thoughts and opinions anymore
Ya he always interrupts them and they barely talk usually. Kinda getting old
When Joe said "give me your strongest elementary school writer, and give me your Hollywood on top of their game writer" did he mean the elementary school writer would be better? That's what I got out of it.
I think he meant they’re like the same thing. The Elementary school writer would probably be more creative though.
the anime is my favorite of all time. was somewhat enjoying the live action despite its liberties until the last episode, which made me want to sent the whole thing on fire.
Can't believe you could stomach the viscious and Julia scenes. None of the scenes make sense. Look back and rewatch it.
Thank you guys so much.
Most critics in Germany said it was alright. But it is not. It's not ok, it's painful.
well they are entitled to their opinion anyway.
I feel like Quentin Tarantino would do the anime justice.
for real, that sequence in Kill Bill Vol 1 was amazing
Yessss
I could back this.
Preferably Hollywood would just leave Anime alone and continue to make mediocre movies.
Like how bill in that movie was a background character and he was a mystery for a while is how they should have done vicious in this live action.
You know netflix's live action adaptions of anime are gonna be bad
It’s like a tradition now the question is, what’s next on the chopping block? My moneys on one piece. Or god forbid jojo...
@@bloatedbehemoth1979 One Piece is already confirmed :(
@@djbubblegum9975 RIP
The only thing the Mob Pyscho 100 live adaptation did was make me watch the anime.
Has any live-action adaption of an anime ever been good from any company? Ive steered clear of them since dragonball evolution and the last airbender (not an anime but same idea).I feel like they just try to make money off people who dont watch anime but might have heard about the shows, meanwhile anime fans are always better off watching the original because the live action remakes are always subpar and lack what made them great in the first place.
My favorite scene from the anime is when Faye confronts Spike in the finale. I don't see anything to the level of that in this live action. And Ein as a robot? NO!
When vicious shows up in the anime you know shits about to go down, in the live action he is so much less scary. He is one of my favorite villains of all time. In the live action he loses all the fear and terror he instilled.
He's totally henpecked by someone you don't think is a threat at all at first, he appears scared of the elders, and then he can't even take over the Syndicate without Julia actively driving him to it and turning you against her with her schemes. How could anyone be afraid of him from the other side of the screen?
Lol when Alex is able to talk he sounds pretty good
Edit: Never saw the original, I’m loving it. Gonna watch it tho after now
Joe has to keep a leash on him because hes too based
Omg
Dont worry guys, according to the actress that plays faye, theyve successfully fixed the "problematic" elements of the anime! 9/10
Correction, a 10/10
It wasn't Faye's actress, it was Gren's. And it was the dumbest, most insulting excuse ever
The elements are only “problematic” to ugly people who can’t compete in real life with a cartoon character.
@@vinjass where was it said? I wanna link source to friends
Generally speaking rule: Live action can be made into animation, but animation cannot be made into live action.
Here's the reason the jazz that worked so well in the anime failed in the LA remake: because Netflix changed a serial show with a film noir vibe with multiple femme fatales to a soap opera with action scenes. Jazz isn't generally soapy, but was commonly used as soundtrack for film noir to the point of stereotyping.
AngryJoe @1:45 - _"There is absolutely no point in watching this unless u like to see something done...worse... and butchered."_
that's how i've felt about the vast majority of Netflix's adaptations these past couple years.
if there is any silver lining to be had here, it's that maybe, _hopefully_ this his piqued the curiosity of newcomers enough to actually watch the anime instead.
It did for me and the animated series is awesome. I'm about half way through it.
the last two good things from netflix in terms of tv shows were daredevil and castlevania.
Witcher wasn't bad. Not great but not bad. Hoping they get better special effects in the second season.
@@red2977 witcher was not just bad. It was fucking horrible. The writimg is embarrassing
Netflix be fckn up
I'm having a tough couple of weeks, but Alex's "mushroom stamp" comment had me crying. Thank you for that much needed laugh sir.
Hang in there buddy, things can only get better after a certain point.
OK, so now I'm scared for the Last Airbender live action. The casting announcements have been fantastic so I have some hope. But much like how Alex feels about this anime, I feel that way for AtLA and I will be critical af about a live action I don't think we need.
Let's make babies
Ed is proof that trying to be an anime character in real life does not work
Loved the original animation when I saw it in 2005.. and it still holds up even now.. Netflix Bebop met my expectations and more that it would be a poorly written, more bling than substance and totally lacks the soul of the original.. expected to be disappointed, Netflix bebop surpassed it so much.. it does have potential in some aspects with some of the portrayals but when you make a character and slap in a familiar name from the anime then you totally lose a lot of what made the original great..
I like it so far. I'm not mad that ppl hate it but I like it. Anime adaptation is getting better over the years. This is coming from a person who watched Super Mario, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat ll, Dragon Ball evolution. So Cowboy Bebop I can tolerate
When OJ gives his rating and AJ's frustration leaves him with the fury of a thousand angry elephants 🤣🤣
Alex's face is the definition of:
''Look how they massacred my boy'' meme.
- Cowboy Bebop 2021:
Metascore: 47/100.
Userscore: 5.8/10.
Alex really nailed it in the head with that rant in the beginning
Thank you so much Alex, Mustafa definitely killed it as jet, everybody has been complaining about the live adaptation and they really overlooked mustafa's portrayal of jet.
Yea, his portrayal of Jet is extremely accurate. Dude sounds and looks just like him
Yeah no one talks about him, thats the problem with being the only good part if something.
@@RusticRonnie being a diamond in a pile of shit is kinda like being a needle in a haystack.
he's good. But they really didnt need to give him a daughter and mess with his backstory...
He won me over, he’s the only casting that really did a service to the original
The anime was superb, visually stunning. All they had to do is recreate that in 'real' life and it would have been amazing. They should have kept to the original 20 minutes per episode,, instead they mix episodes and it just doesn't flow right. The guy that played Jet was brilliant, the rest were lacking. Somehow they made Fay lose all sex appeal, which was part of the essence of the character.
They destroyed our beloved Faye the bae. I’m so mad.
@@kawhiiee Agreed. They said it wouldn't have been practical to have her running around in such a skimpy outfit as the anime. It's literally a pair of shorts and a jacket. Everything about her is wrong in the Netflixs version.
@@000phill000 Nah her actress is cute af. No complaints here.
Someone described the new Cowboy Bebob as big budget live action cosplay. I agree. This was the campy Netflix equivalent of the 1966 Batman show. One thing it did accomplish was to make me go back and watch the original series again. The original was such a magnificent blend of eastern and western story tropes. I still had a tear in my eye at the end.
It's more of a low-budget live action cosplay where most of the money was pocketed for the sake of the "message".
Well the good news, I was able to get my parents to watch the original anime. So that's one good thing. Also, I own the movie on blu-ray.
would love to see OJs thoughts on the anime after he watches it.
Damn....
Iv been hyped to see this, I don't have a Netflix account active right now so I can't watch it, but to see Alex so defeated I can't imagine how pissed I would have been if I watched it before I saw this review
The Netflix series feels like I watched a play based on Cowboy Bebop at a small local theater.
Alex killed me starting at 3:30 LMAO SHIT
I dared to hope when this was all conceptual, but within the first seconds of the trailer I knew that at the very least, this remake is an abject bastardization of one of the most reverently loved manga/anime series.
Lol vicious reminded me of Michael McDonald from Madtv doing one of his characters. 😆
Vicious didnt need much screen time. Not knowing much about him is what made him pretty scary. If hes like the netflix version in his free time.... 😆
Vicious was pretty much there to move spike's storyline along. Everybody on the bebop was dealing with personal problems. You only see spike have to face his past whenever vicious shows up. All the way down to their last confrontation. When spike wasnt doing that he was just hunting bounties.
I remember before this adaptation came out, a friend of mine showed me a trailer and an opening that pays homage to the original opening. I thought "Hey, this could be good" but then I remembered the Death Note and Bleach adaptations and I was worried. Rightly so, it would seem
Maaan the memories of being a teenager in the 90's looking forward to the new episodes every weeknight to air.
The best thing about this utter train wreck was the fact that the original is now on Netflix and I have been rewatching that and it is AMAZING - almost better than I remember as a kid.
I got the show on blu ray and I'd rather watch this on Hulu than give Netflix anymore traffic
I love Cowboy Bebop. And I knew my gut was right when I avoided this thing entirely.
I am so glad I didn't watch the live action version. Cowboy Bebop is one of the greatest animes ever created, I grew up watching it along with Trigun, DBZ and some others... But Cowboy Bebop always had and will have a special place in my heart.
I think Alex could have said "It's like inviting your friend in 2021 to watch Motley Crue live and Vince Neil comes out all fat and useless". That would have worked like a goddamn charm.
They were awful 12 years ago, I can only image how worse it got
Hahaha this is so true.
@@CheefChaos According to reports, it's a goddamn travesty. I mean, he was never particularly good, but from the clips I have seen, a dog howling would be 100000000 times better.
Oh, god. I remember that.
It was like Eric Cartman trying to sing "Kickstart My Heart" but hardly memorized the lyrics.
@@mattc2306 lol it's just sad. In the video he was winded a minute into it and absolutely off key. I kept thinking "dude Bruce Dickinson is your age and I have seen him run and sing on stage for 2 hours!"
more and more I feel like Alex and myself are spirit animals... i never thought i would see the day. but, at least on Marvel and Anime related topics... yup.
Ok seriously, Alex's face throughout this whole talk is the most depressing thing I've ever seen. U can literally see his heart is broken.
The anime did mention Spike used to be called Fearless (code name?) while he was in the syndicate. But you heard it only once and everyone in the anime called him Spike, even Vicious and Anna.
Ultimately, the Netflix version is an ok attempt only if you've never seen the original anime. The changes to the characters and how their stories play out just doesnt work very well especially with how they worked Julia and even altered Faye's direction. All the weird story arcs actually kind of reminds me of the writing from the other goofy Netflix show, Daybreakers. The actors all did an admiral job with what they were given while the failure of this show should fall on Netflix for not selecting the proper story writers to do such an iconic IP.
Can we get a other Joe review after he watches the anime?
This was me when Monster Hunter came out while you guys had a great time with it. It hurts differently depending on how strongly you feel about a property.
When shows goes so Bad, AngryJoeShow goes so Good
Yes, I needed this review. I have never seen the anime, and I suspected something was weird when they made Faye a lesbian, not that there’s anything wrong with it. It just felt pushed and sudden. Putting the political agenda controversy aside, I thought it was okay. Then after I read all the reviews from fans of the anime, I understood their anger and rightfully so.
In the anime she fall in love with spike as the show goes and even had a ex lover who was male so I was like huh when I heard she was a lesbian or bi
Don't worry! She claims shes "fixed" the "problematic" anime. New and improved baby!
I mean if she bi, whatever, but if she a lesbian then that sort of ruin the part where Faye was falling in love with Spike. I m
Did you even see that chick? How can you blame faye for hooking up with her. She was smoking.
@@boricualink honestly true
It's sad for the actors because you can make out that John Choo, Mustafa Shakir and Daniella Pineda tried to do their best with what they were given and brought a lot of energy to their characters. But the writing and directing was so bad that no actor could improve it.
John Choo may be good actor but he was a bad choice for Spike even if it was well written.
Been wanting to watch this review for a week now, but still had a few episodes left of the series so I wanted to wait. After finishing the series last night I just wanna leave my two cents here. As a diehard Bebop fan, I knew I was going to hate this. In the back of my mind I was hoping, but I wasn't expecting much. John Cho as Spike was atrocious. Im sorry, but he was a terrible Spike. I don't know if that's on the writing or the execution, but it did not work. All I saw was Harold for 10 straight hours. Jett was great all the way through, from start to finish. Mustafa killed the character. Daniella Pineda grew on me throughout the series as Faye. Hated her when she was first introduced and through she was unbearable. Once they broke her down a little bit, she became more likeable by the end, despite me still hating the actual actress. Vicious and Julia were both a joke. They were done so poorly. What the fuck was with Ed at the end? What was that? Like I understand wanting to keep the same goofiness as Ed has in the anime, but that did not work at all in a live action series. Please for the love of god, if this does get another season, you cannot have a real person act like that as Ed for 10 straight episodes. It'll be intolerable.
Them making Spike f*** his childhood Best Friend's girl made me feel like vicious earned the right to kill him to some degree. If there's an actual point where you make me hate the main character for being a piece of s*** and it's near the end where I'm supposed to be rooting for him you have seriously f***** up.
Love how the first 9 minutes of the first episode were references to the beginning of the movie
25:07 Honestly. It really takes a lot to piss off Other Joe. He either enjoys life WAY too much or OJ really is that positive friend that we all need.
It's more likely that he just has a better understanding than most of the internet of where anger deserves to be placed. This show could've been a 0/10, and being angry at that would still be ridiculous. It's just one show in a endless ocean of entertainment products with an almost endless supply of good things to watch. There's always something out there that is fun and well done and words usually gets around of it of its existence. So all you have to do is turn away from the thing you aren't enjoying, and go try the thing that you will probably enjoy. All you're doing is placing a weight on yourself being angry at this.
It's a bit more understandable if the anger stems from a story that you've become invested in. Like the last two season of GoT or, in my case, everything after Negan was introduced to The Walking Dead. Getting angry at that is probably still ridiculous, but it's harder to let go after you've invested so much time on something. To clarify, an adaptation means that it's new and not a continuation of the story you were already invested in. If you went in with your investment of the source material, then that there is simply a rookie mistake.
In the case of Joe and Alex, they can't simply walk away cause it's their job to review it, but in that vein...they are essentially getting paid to review it. I couldn't be angry at that, and maybe they aren't either, but they know anger sells. It is "Angry Joe Show" after all.
I'll still watch the show and see how I feel about it but I never expect live action to be good
Netflix should’ve hired filmmakers who knew how to write and film Noir. The live-action is way too bright and colorful like Fifth Element and Guardians of The Galaxy…when it should’ve been darker and sexier with intense shadows like Blade Runner.