I've got to admit, I've been looking forward to this episode of The Angry Joe Show. Who needs Picard when you can watch Joe lose his mind in real time?
This is way more entertaining and you don't have to support terrible member berries made by people who don't have a clue what made the originals (or any show) good.
I think he was hesitant because it opens a can of worms for future reviewing. I would simplify what a ZERO means by classifying it as 2 things. 1) Non functional on all levels as a story and entertainment, and 2) Actually harmful to watch as a fan. What I mean is a story so bad that it breaks existing stories AND makes it almost impossible to repair with future writing with a major overhaul or mulligan.
@@SSingh-nr8qz What can they do but say this Star Trek is based in an alternate reality in the Cannon.. That 1980's/90's Star Trek Next Gen and Star Trek: Picard are 2 separate Picard's from alternate realities. Only way to save Star Trek is to cut this one off into the Shitverse of bad Star Treks.
ironically the exact reason why there are .something review systems. after you have reviewed enough things it becomes mandatory. if you try to use "a is better than b" logic which i think aj has tried to avoid.
@@brokenboy351 the message overshadows the content. The show is merely a platform. No subtlety. No interest in exploring complex issues. Even if you agree with the message it hammers you so much in a hamfisted way that the story becomes a mockery of itself, and characters start to look like caricatures . The audience can see the blatant attempts and it takes you out of the world, poorly constructed as it is. I’m guessing it’s some of that. This is not to be confused with progressive writing that was often present in later seasons of TNG and DS9 and was prepared to look into issues with various sides allowed to state their case. Even when it wasn’t subtle, it was generally interesting and there were very little easy conclusions.
Exactly! they wrote the script in Crayola *no mess color Wonder" markers, which was a huge expense to the production because they never put the Caps back on they would be driving the next day
11 years since "Sonic Free Riders", the first 1/10 ever given on the show. And Picard finally broke the scale. Never thought I would see something so insulting that a 0/10 would be the final result.
@@Takato2527 Wrong, that was still a 1/10 it was close but still 1/10. "the lowest one out of ten I can give and I would give it a zero out of ten if I didn't make my rating scale be where it is non functional, it is borderline zero out of ten." - Angryjoe
@@2DRonaldo Joe explained this in his livestream yesterday. As awful as RTH was, there were no expectations for it to be good. Star Trek is a beloved franchise, and to see it treated like this, on top of being objectively bad, warranted the extra penalty in score.
You know that it's a complete dumpster fire when you look forward to and are more excited about watching Joe rip it to shreds than the actual show itself! R.I.P. Star Trek 1966-2020
Star Trek ended in 2009 with J.J. Abrams. When he gave permission to NOT fix the timeline, and allowed "writers" to create their own "truth," and own messed up timeline, this is the dumper fire that will not be put out... I love Alex. "I'm glad that you're living YOUR truth." lol. Classic. (31:00)
This is NOT Star Trek. Some guy on UA-cam (I'm sorry, I forgot who) said, "This is not Star Trek, the writers are using Star Trek as a cardboard background to play out contrived melodrama." And that's the gist of it. At this point I'm past being angry and am simply sad. I do however need you, Joe and crew, to STAY ANGRY as your review of this BASTARDIZATION of Star Trek is indeed therapeutic for frustrated long time fans such as myself. So thank you and make it so.
@@antonego9581 Let's be honest here, the MAJORITY of the people sitting in front of the television IS STUPID. They enjoy this. This (and a lot of other shows/movies) isn't targeted at you, or me, or Joe.
Even without the text in the thumbnail, the image alone was enough to make me go, "Oh, this is going to be a whole other level of an epic fail and angry rant. I better get some popcorn."
This is a historical day for the Angry Joe Show. Joe-who has always strongly insisted that you cannot go below a 1/10 on ANYTHING on his show-decided to give something a 0/10.
@@michaellane5381 Joe, OJ & Alex said it themselves. This episode had zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. Everything about this episode was downright horrific. Not a single positive found that could've given it a 1 outta 10.
@@DragonHeart613 I haven't watched any of the series so I cannot quantify the score, I'm just saying for arguments sake 1/10 being the lowest rating for rating almost any media yet rating this 0/10 is not entirely inconsistent as it might actively be reducing your enjoyment of the previous media while not entertaining you in the present. I would argue that while that then sounds like a negative point scale might be more accurate the logic of 1/10 being lowest still finds a 0/10 rating as more accurate because to quantify the negative would require quantifying all the ruined content which would be beyond any objective standard and ruining the rating scales integrity. Thus Zeroing out the scale is fair in this case but wouldn't really work with a new/original property.
Hey Joe, I've got your new borg quote right here: Jaborgy: ""We are the Jaborgy. Please lower your shields and allow us to board your ships. With your consent, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to benefit all of us. Resistance is optional!" Literally anyone: "No thanks." Jaborgy: "Ok, bye mister."
The new Borg from Picard season 2 will be named - *The Bored* ... "We are The Bored... Resistance is reasonable... With your permission, our biological & technological distinctiveness will be added to your own... Your culture will be respected... Live in your truth..."
Concent has a better ring to it than permission. Also change culture to individuality, because culture is patriarchal repression of women and non binary beings.
So, the precedent has been set. We now have a show that it so horrendous, so borked, so detached from the universe that it broke the rating system. That's impressive in of itself.
Remember old Star Trek? I love the episode when Odo and Quark crash land on an Alpine-like area of a planet and there isn't enough oxygen in the atmosphere for them to survive. In a matter of hours, they will die from hypoxia. So they have to get up high to place a beacon so that someone can come and rescue them. These two characters who were diametrically opposed to one another and who have been playing cat and mouse games the whole time, now have to work together. The security chief and the black market criminal. Remember when Star Trek was about that? Edit: Share your favorite Star Trek Episodes.
Or the episode where Quark accidently auctions off his body parts because he believed he was about to die. And subsequently had to make a choice between his own life and breaking his code established by his people. And ends up choosing his own life and getting all his posessions taken away, only for the people he would least expect to come and help him back.
Exactly this they took a sensetive matter and made it interesting and thought provoking, they didn't shove PC nonsense down our throat with 0 respect for the subject matter
One of Kurtzman's oddest beliefs is that audiences can only like a character if they badass or quirky. Every movie he does (Transformers, TASM, and nuTrek) follows this pattern. He doesn't think people care for kindness, intelligence, honor, and dutiful as things people want in their protagonists.
And hell, mass effect proved you don’t even need to necessarily have good traits. Jack is a murderous psychopath and samara is a religious zealot but both have enough nuance and offer a unique perspective to grow into some of the best characters.
The Borg are among the greatest enemies Picard and The Federation ever faced. Not surprised these idiot writers decided to screw it up. I watched the first season and was so disgusted I almost couldn't finish it. No plans to watch any more of this train wreck. Same with Discovery.
The thing is, season 3 and 4 of Disco have a steadily improved, so even though it still has *GLARING FLAWS* the last two Disco seasons have had a lot of redeeming qualities and a lot of LGBTQA+ inclusiveness that have actually _brought in_new fans to the franchise. I _still_ can’t find anything redeemable or worthwhile in Picard, it’s *irredeemable!*
@@Popcultureguy3000 "brought in new fans" and "steadily improved" don't belong in the same sentence as star trek discovery. If anything. It got progressively worst and had more people pushing away from it, and actual numbers for the shows aren't being stated.
@@homelessend8557 Look man, the LGBTQA+ representation on Disco has been very good since season 1, they even knew how well the gay sci-fi geeks of America responded to the first openly gay couple on Star Trek and went out of their way to bring back from the dead one half of their main gay couple so they would stop being accused of killing him off to have less scenes of a married gay couple onscreen together. And then after that, they hired a non-binary actor to play a new ensign who rose to Lieutenant and trans actor to play a Trill. Like it or hate it, Disco’s always been the Trek show that goes out of its way to include as much LGBTQA representation in a way that felt organic rather than forced (with the exception of _maybe_ the Alternate Universe Professor from an Alternate Universe Risa in season 4? I can’t tell if that felt forced or not because his whole backstory episode felt like useless padding, and maybe I just think that aspect was forced was because having a whole episode dedicated to said backstory was unnecessary).
@@Popcultureguy3000 felt the most organic. Now that's a good joke. And Lgbt representation hasn't been good on this show especially since none of what they're doing matches what other successful shows have done. It still has bad writing, plotlines, etc, so focusing on a "message" rather than making most of the characters likeable pushes people away, even those it's trying to cater to, not brings them to watch the show. Representation means nothing if they do it in the poorest, least effort way possible, to the point viewership drops further.
When a favorite franchise of mine starts to release bad content, I find it therapeutic to personally declare it as non-canon. Then I try my best to forget that it exists.
@@longliveyheking98 if you read you can see he explained that the feeling the op mentioned is similar to a feeling he gets when he sees people abuse gender identities for self gain.
"I watch this show literally to see how bad it gets. It's almost disgustingly interesting. It's like watching a trainwreck in slow-motion, as bodies are being squeezed, and eyeballs are popping, and blood and guts are showering everywhere. It is such a disaster that you cannot look away." Legit IMDB review material.
Theres a point to be made about Dr Who being in decline after Tenant. He was, I think, the last "true" Doctor, the subsequent regenerations are quite different in tonality and in how they and the episodes are written. That being said, I do like Matt Smith, though I belive he was underutilized, he has the right sort-of feel to him. Smug and wise yet childish and crazy, more or less what I would expect from the Doctor.
That actually helps I think. Especially in season one, I sort of liked it because of the nostalgia hit. To see a beloved franchise and it's characters getting utterly destroyed now is painful. OJ is blissfully ignorant and spared that. He only sees the objectively bad writing and execution now.
0/10 was very generous. Literally everything is awful. Picard remembered his elderly mom with a French accent in TNG, and in this episode they retconned it by him addressing it as something he used to imagine. Actual knowledge of trek lore, but also major retcon for the woke narrative! Truly awful.
Let me get this straight. Picard,who has been assimilated by the Borg,tortured by the Cardassians, lived a lifetime in the span of five minutes, actually died and relived his past ;is gonna lose his shit over a repressed childhood trauma. WTF?🤦♂️
Nevermind the fact that Picard saw a vision of his mother in TNG as an old woman. The idiots who wrote this garbage couldn't even pay attention to _that._
Lots & lots to criticize, but IMO, this is the one thing they got right. A child finding his Mother hanging (more so than letting her out of the room) is as seriously traumatizing as it gets. Absolutely enough to completely repress the memory. (Yeah, I'm a psyche nurse.)
@@lilymack4028 Except it completely contradicts every other bit of canon. It doesn't make sense, not because it doesn't make sense on it's own, but because it doesn't make sense when put up against the entirety of Picard's character history.
@@lilymack4028 So in the 24th century, after 300 years of medical advancement, the best they could do for a suicidal woman was to lock her up every night in a room with a 19th century lock and key? It makes zero sense. Lazy writing at its finest.
At the end of season 1, wasn't Seven crying about how she never wanted to be a mindless violent killer again? Wasn't she really upset about the deaths of all the Borg? Now fast forward to Season 2 and she's a mindless killing machine telling Raffi that they should show no mercy to the Borg. 🤦🏻♂ The writers really don't give a shit about their own continuity. This is the madlibs school of script writing.
But that doesn't make sense, she killed hundreds of people in the name of vengeance...she was kicking around corpses like a thug. You can't trust anything these characters say or do because their actions may be retconned in the very next episode
@@adad87821 nah Picards definitely worst. Imagine having a character since the 80s and completely destroying the character, the plot of previous episodes, and the entire legacy through a single episode. It made the Khan project lame, made the "watchers" be time lord assholes that do nothing, give the Q a mortality, and wiped out 50+ years of canon like toilet paper
The problem I’m having with this episode, and this season is this: I have a friend who lost her husband to this illness. We lost the greatest comedian of all time to this illness. And, they FLAT OUT FUCKING HAM FISTED IT! Their contrived way of making this some kind of character development macguffin so devalues the message and the problem we face with this really serious issue pisses me off to nearly physical pain. I can forgive a great many sins- The shitty way these clown did the Klingons, how they’re taking a steaming dump on what the Federation is, the loose, wild west attitude with the cannon. But, if they’re gonna preach “Social Issues” and the turn around and do this to a real issue. Then, hypocrisy at it basest level and these folks need to be called out on it.
I love how the writers clearly don't get their material, but seem to only think superficially about how to stir up some drama and be "relevant". The "twist" with the borg queen clearly panders to that, trying to "show some humanity". But guess what, the idea behind the Borg is actually, that they aren't. In a show, that was about communication, about understanding of cultures, of different species and how differences and other obstacles can be overcome by reason, not just emotion and going "AAAAAAH I HAAAAAATE YOUUUUUU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DOOOONEEE!" the Borg were meant to not fit in, to be the antithesis. They have actually been invented to show that even in a utopia that Star Trek tried to depict, there still can be room for true conflict. They don't care, they don't have any feelings, they cannot be reasoned with. You cannot try to talk to them, to appeal to some kind of moral or pity. They will kill you, they will exploit you and your body is nothing else than a junkyard to them, from which they can choose and pick, to stitch you together like a true Frankenstein's monster, true body horror. Nope, the Borg queen is just a misunderstood little girl. Sorry, but you writers are just idiots.
Literally taking everything about the Borg and ignoring it. Complete 180 that makes no sense, with horrible explanations, and contrived macguffins, topped off with horrible over emotional scenes. And the thing is, all the people on this show are top frigging notch actors - it is amazing that this show could do this with them.
The worst thing Star Trek ever did was give the Borg a queen. They were much more menacing as an amorphous villain with no specific target to eliminate that would defeat them.
@@ToyHunter-wc9dz it made them more dangerous too because there was literally almost no weakness. Having a queen gives the Borg a centralized major weakness, noting how the movie ended. Also the queen, having sentient and emotions goes against everything the Borg are, and makes you wonder how they even work as a whole being controlled by essentially a human.
Nooo the idea that the Borg have been looking for an equal a partner goes back to TNG with locutus of Borg being intended as herald and effective consort of Borg quee . Then data in first contact and finally seven in voyager all had a Borg queen's special attention
ALSO, with the """Borg Queen""", I'm using quotations cause it's not the borg queen, at all, taking the ship and changing her ways, it destroys the timeline! We got the Vulcans making first contact too early, Picard no longer gets assimilated, Wolf 359 never happens, Voyager never happens, Starfleet never works on upgrading their firepower, making them a weaker target for the Dominion, and that's just SOME of what will happen!
TBH they completely forgot about the Dominion War. I mean yeah they paid lip service to Sisko but they haven't given a fig about the Dominion War since Star Trek: Nemesis. You'd think people would've been more willing to help the Romulans with their sun going nova since they helped stop the Dominion.
@SpiderGuy2019 Not really, because at the moment there are in, there is the REAL Borg-Queen in the Delta-Quadrant, assimilating billions. The one on earth is a mix of a Queen from an alternate universe and Gerardi, existing parallel to the real one. But....BUT....i dont think the writers thought about that.
“Seth” Trek understands what makes _great_ Sci-Fi: *Exploring the social and moral implications of technology.* Star 'Tard Picard is just _more dumb action schlock,_ the federation serves no purpose, and the writers just make up dumb shit as they go along.
39:30 The fact that this was Angry Joe's first ever 0/10 is actually funny to think. I remember when he gave Sonic Free Riders his first 1/10 a decade prior. I was thinking Fast & Furious : Crossroads would have been Angry Joe's first ever 0/10.
After the dreadful Discovery season 04, it is mindboggling how they manage to produce even far worse Star Trek. TNG is my all-time favourite show and it breaks my heart to see it getting wrecked in such a despicable and disrespectful manner. Shame on you CBS!
I mean I TRIED giving them some benefit of the doubt since most star trek shows especially TNG had a rocky start, but damn it just doesn't get any better
@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 Probably a game that gives you seizures while also being a mtx hellhole, while having terrible performance and it directly insults gamers thru dialogue or smth
I love how they explain how Ginan meets Picard in this show for the first time COMPLETELY FORGETTING that She met him long ago back with Mark Twain when they went back in time with Data and the Next Gen crew... but I guess Ginan has a shitty memory now.
If 10/10s aren't perfect masterpieces with no flaws whatsoever then personally I think 0 should be allowed on the scale. Can't wait for the first 0/10 angry game review
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Well, those drones were created using "inferior metals" so that could be a bit of an escape hatch for stupid plot holes. Jurati would better off not assimilating the commandos - seems that inferior assimilation results in stormtrooper-level accuracy ;) But yeah, this series is horribly uneven... With each good/cool idea come two or three really poor ones.
The best ending would be them realizing their total disregard of the timeline’s integrity is actually what causes the fascist dystopian future they tried to prevent.
You know they're gonna leave a cliffhanger for the finale, like every freaking episode. At this point, I almost think that they won't even get back to the future until the next season - thats how bad it's gotten. This entire season was padding and filler to keep people subbed to their service for an extra year or so, absolutely insane.
I gave up on Star Trek when J.J. Abrams DIDN'T fix the space time continuum. He watched Back to the Future Part 2, and thought, "Hey, I like what Biff did! Let's do that and NOT fix the timeline, so I can create my own bastardized version of Star Trek."
There's a great interview on youtube with Leonard Nimoy where he explains the "Vulcan nerve pinch"s origin . He was supposed to hit a guard in the head with his gun, almost mobster style. He said :" No, this is barbaric. We are in the future we evolved beyond that, i will paralyze him with a secret technique my race developed. It's more interesting and more elegant". That was Star Trek. Trying to think how the human race could be in an ideal future, trying to think of interesting and elegant ways to solve problems. And then there's Picard...
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 indeed, but that doesn't mean they didn't try different solutions or imagining a better future. Now where in Picard can you see that?
So Picard's mansion stayed the same for 300 years? None of the people who lived in the house for the next 300 years thought, "hey, maybe we should remove or at least rennovate our death trap basement?"
I like the fact that there's a shotgun hanging on the wall in an abandoned house that is not full of piss and shit and homeless junkies. And that weapon is loaded and ready for action. Or that Walther P38 that Picard finds in a random box, is loaded and also ready to shoot....Eh, whatever, why am i even trying? It should have been a Tommy gun that he uses to mow down all the r3+@rded Borg soldiers.
“Computer end program” Vulcan says to Human officer: “I will never understand your curiosity with alternate realities that have characters that could not exist in reality.” Opening Credits.
Star Trek: TNG thoughtfully explored sociopolitical topics from multiple points of view. Star Trek: Picard completely denies the existence of other points of view.
@@raam726 Thats Weekend at Bernies, where guys puppet a corpse so people still think the guy is alive. As the clip is shown joe is talking about them using the corpse of star trek as a puppet.
While TNG certainly "explored" multiple points of view, they were usually pretty direct about which they thought was morally right. Star Trek: TNG was the OG "SJW" content, intelligently done unlike the pandering slop of modern Hollywood.
That's what happens when political cultists are in charge of running a tv show. TNG is way more relevant for the current times than this shit will ever be.
It's heartbreaking how so many of our most beloved franchises and beloved nerd culture icons have just been shit on by people who don't give a shit about them.
Everything that Joe just ranted about is exactly what many people complain about the current "Woke era" of StarTrek, if not much of these "continuation/adaptation/reimaginings". TNG was enlightened, visionary, thought provoking, and yet approachable to a general audience, but this is a crime. A CRIME!
I will say that any complaint mentioning wokeness will be ignored by the writers and creators cause they're so far up their own asses. As someone whose all for everything inclusivity and political commentary on all that's bad about the world, including racism, the word woke has become such a meme that it's only really used by racist right wing fucks and internet people that don't realize that most people think only racist right wing fucks use it.
Think it's the thing. Old Trek constantly explored progressive ideas, but they did it in a framework where they allowed for exploration and discussion of ideas, not strictly proselytization. Even Picard's speeches, as self-righteous as they could be, were generally about rising above the kind of hard-lined ways things are now delivered. Right now we just have people pointing at things and saying "that's bad". No depth, no nuance, no questions. It's just bad writing and completely undermines old Trek and it's push for more rational examination of progressive concepts.
Remember when Star Trek was about exploring space and the final frontier? A whole lot of not that happening in this...didn't know Star Trek was really just being stuck on Earth the entire time with generic drama.
Picard's story ended with him playing poker with his crew. Finally joining in with the family that he had established over 7 long years. Becoming one with them rather than being apart. IT was perfect. Luke Skywalker's cinematic story ended with him redeeming his father, Anakin Skywalker and fulfilling the prophecy of the Force. Then returning to the circle, the family that he had developed and discovered, the brother figure and his new found twin sister. It was perfect. There is nothing else.
@@f.n.p3710 Surely by removing it from my headcannon i have? I mean it would really suck if they produced a sequel trilogy that didnt even get the original cast back together for one scene and completly undid everthing that everyone suffered and went through to bring peace to the galaxy just to prop up a new perfect infallible yet utterly boring hero. I'm just glad they didn't do that.
So Starfleet rejected Seven, but accepted Icheb? Between this and the Vulcans mind melding in the 1970s from last week it's clear the writers have no regard for what others have written, or even what they themselves have written.
this is what happens when feminism wright's Star Trek... they will make it so guys get a free pass but the women never succeed but in the end the men are hiding behind barrels as the women clean up the mess.
You know what pisses me off about that? Picard was a Borg. He recovered. Seven is Borg, she recovered. Picard is now an Android. Seven is more human than he is.
Hell I forgot that during Enterprise they had stopped using their ability to mind meld. I just got caught up in the fact that they referenced that episode of Enterprise in the first place.
.. I am OK w Starfleet declining Seven, she has borg tech they don't understand and will be on ships w nuclear weapons or worse so who knows if she goes borgy or nanobots esapr... Did did she have a "right" to work in Starfleet. Women tried to force military to let their small bodies go into combat, and courts said feelings don't matter they get to pick the solidest applicants.. . We forget Starfleet deals with emergences by operating billion dollar ships, we need stable staff not risky. Would you hire swimmer Michael Phelps to be lifeguard and throw the swim ring to kid, knowing he is a millionaire pothead who is great but likely to be late or just pay less attention. Examples are many of military NOT wanting movie stars in WW2 since they want boring trips to man equipment and not make morale different. Seven would b great as scientist, not trusted w nuclear weapons the govt builds. Would you let Justin Bieber volunteer to join Army and man nuclear silo, or Bill Nye the scientist guy rather than boring kid from Kansas without any ego to fight with?? Or even trust him with driving a tank in Kuwait rather than a boring Iowa kid much less likely to disobey and shoot up a city? . I am exaggerating , and I am assuming Starfleet has boring duties... I have been fired for jobs cause they were menial and I clearly lacked the patience they could see it coming and let me go, ha. Seven also literally disobeyed Janeway dozen times, in a job application the interviewers risks their job if you hire a genius risky person and instead the system rewards interviewer hiring boring safe person..... PS. I know I am being boring, but Star Trek was about crews working together to over 50 years teach other how to operate complex Starships it was example of where the entire crew of 1000 mattered not 1 genius lieutenant somehow mattering, and people were humble and ok with this not demanding hiring/promotion/ and captain listen to them on day 1..... Ok...
@@mostlyguesses8385 wow, just all sorts of wow. GTFO of the Trek fandom if your going to bring this kind of purely misogynistic BS to the table as a reason that a character would be turned down from Starfleet. We have seen plenty of women in the captains chair and beyond in almost every era of Trek, and they all are the type to work their asses off to get to where they got. And BTW 7 is probably in better shape, stronger, and more durable than most humans let alone just women, so that sexist argument doesn't even apply to her.
Even if the writing of this show were good, which it isn't, the underlying fatal flaw is that this is a show that isn't interested in Star Trek, it's interested in psychoanalyzing the characters of Star Trek by putting them into shitty, grimy, miserable situations, so Picard can be like "this bar fight is just like when my drunk dad used to beat my mom," or "this space orphan is just like when everyone I know was killed and I became an orphan." That can be interesting, but that's not why people watch Star Trek. Star Trek is about a humanity that has gotten its shit together. We've made it. It's a collectivist, utopian society that doesn't need to worry about all the nightmare garbage that we have to deal with today. We welcome every race, every creed, everyone is more or less equal in the eyes of everyone else (I'm aware I'm oversimplifying, but you get it), because everyone agrees that the ultimate good that we as a people can do is to spread that good to others. The conflict of OG ST comes from how that "ideal" society deals with the rest of the universe, especially when it doesn't want our "good". This modern television approach to Star Trek doesn't really work for the thesis of the series. My wife loves, fucking LOVES, Star Trek, and she's as forgiving as can be when it comes to messy TV. She bounced off of Discovery after four episodes because it was making her miserable.
Respect on AJ's name for clarifying that this show is legit unprogressive even if it has the skin deep appearance of left-wing commentary. It's characters parroting gutless, brainless slogans and then solving their problems with indiscriminate violence. Fucking lmao at Seven saying assimilated Borg aren't people.
I'm progressive, i have sociology/history background and i hate the in your face empowerment/girl power/you know there's bad trumpists people writing.... not because those issues aren't a thing but because it's basically 2/3 of every scenes of every reboots of every franchises, it's literally occulting the story they're trying to tell and the IP is just a setting for blatant PR reasons essentially designed to target new demographic that never watched the originals and cares more about the social context than consistent, coherent good story telling
The strange part about their social criticisms is that none of them ever seem to make a point or actually say anything. Like the ICE plot. Yeah, ICE is messed up, for sure, got it, but what the heck was that part about the guy complaining “no paper trail, no trial, nothing!”? Like, are the writers actually suggesting they’d prefer it if undocumented migrants were detained for MONTHS if not YEARS while the U.S.’s legal system slowly worked its way to their case, at which point they’d inevitably get kicked out anyway? Or are they saying that they shouldn’t be detained at all and that you should just blindly trust that they’ll show up in nine months when you can finally schedule a trial for whether or not they get to stay in the country? Even if they were dumb enough to show up, how would you contact them to give them a date when they have no address or SS# or license or anything? It’s like they don’t even care about the actual problems of the system and just heard that other people are mad so they’re just assuming they understand how it works so they can be an “ally”.
I totally agree: He made a great point saying that the entire audience that they were trying to sway will look at this as an example to further dig their heels into conservative beliefs, by saying this is a perfect example of how stupid the "progressive woke" movement is. And he's totally right, it does the entire thing a disservice instead of any service. This is the worst season of Star Trek I've ever seen, and I've watched this show for over 20 years.
Sorry, but this IS the progressive message. It is everywhere. It isn't just in Star Trek. It was Gillette. It was Coke. It is Disney. It is Picard. They keep echoing the same thing. If you don't think this is the progressive message, then you aren't with them and you haven't been paying attention.
AJ is obviously out there doing his thing, but this is the first time in years I've seen OJ and Alex actually, genuinely pissed off so much they can't even muster the strength to get into character for the camera. They look broken.
@@ppsarrakis This. When he showed real signs of despising this and called it an abomination. I was like :O That's OJ we're talking about, OJ is a fluffy happy person!
You know it's going to loop back to the queen on the bridge scene from EP01 and it will be the "better-borg" (Sarcasms) queen Jurati with a "They all live happily ever after" ending following shortly after.
They keep adding the people we all knew and loved from TNG. Last season, Data, Riker, Troi. This season it's Guinan and Q, and we all get excited. Once we tune in then just use them as their little play thing. They are doing the same for S3, dangling the carrot and bringing back the old stars, again for them to use as their little play thing.
This is a perfect example of why the new "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" was good. All those annoying characters that you wished would just die, did and it was magnificent.
Maybe this is the plot for season three?Leatherface meets Picard and gang. If so, it might just all be worth it. They spent two seasons deliberately and meticulously making everyone hate every character only have them brutally killed and eaten by leatherface. Maybe that's the whole plan! The money shot being Raffi being skinned alive and fed piece by piece to leatherfaces decrepit old man.
He said once on twitter that he would only give a game a 0 if the game would simply not run. Thats how bad this is and thats why we have never seen a 0 until now. This was his first 0/10 ever
@@AK-jb9pb Obviously it does now lol. AJ never once said this was a 1, though he did say it was a zero several times both indirectly AND DIRECTLY. If you seriously think AJ REALLY rates this a 1 then I want whatever type of dope you're smokin' lmao! Edit: And even if he had said 1, WE ALL KNOW he really gave it a 0.
You guys missed the fact that all mental illness had been eliminated in the Federation back in TOS so her suicide makes no sense at all. If Borgnes Jurati is the collective now then that means most of TNG would be different, DS9 didn't even happen because the Siskos weren't at Wolf 359, and most of Voyager was different because Janeway never used them to get home. I really hate Elnor, not because he's especially bad but because the writers have tried so desperately hard to make me like him.
You are assuming that jurati changes the collective from 2025 and rewrites history. That isn't necessarily (can't be) the case. Jurati will have to let history play out before changing anything.
@@sbirchysb not sure why she would eff off to the Delta quadrant then and run the risk of her collective getting assimilated. Chances are she would just just get assimilated by the real Borg anyways.
I hate Elnor because he's not Romulan, he's an elf. Everything about him is elven. He even has an elven name. He might as well be Elnor, son of Elrond.
Wasn't the Borg a message about technology being important and powerful but also potentially a world ending danger? Something like that? Because at the time TNG came out that was culturally extremely relevant. Going by that, the new Borg are basically saying "Technology and humans need to intertvine with no way to seperate ever again. METAVERSE guys, right? Metaverse! Fortnite Metaverse!!!"
The Fact that a TV Show manages to force Angry Joe Review 0/10 before any Video Game could is very Shocking considering how much gaming has to do with the channel and again I'm shocked lmao Speechless and wonder what game will ever be 0/10 for The Angry Joe Show now 🤔
Just because it's sci-fi fantasy, doesn't mean there's a total suspension of disbelief. In my opinion, the burden upon the writer is even greater when it comes to getting the audience to believe what they're seeing. They could make all these weird silly scenes work if they set them up beforehand, which they don't and take the genre for granted.
Such a shame that the Federation of The Next Generation, with all its friendships, loyalties and high principles has been reduced to a depraved, violent, foul-mouthed, badly acted, terribly written shadow of its former self, and the main character a clueless, peripheral bit player in the whole mess.
Thx for acknowledging that. I watch a lot of Star Wars Theory and his live streams (i like SW too lol). People there like to complain from time to time at how bad it is in SW fandom... but they're still in the yellow zone compared to Trek's red zone shite. So again, thx for acknowledging.
@@Edax_Royeaux This is so much worse than that because they've destroyed both the past and the future of Trek. In Discovery season 3, they basically blew up the Federation in the 31st century. In this season of Picard, they've done so much damage to the past, there's no way to restore the timeline. They're not just destroying Trek with bad writing, they're literally destroying Trek within the universe.
Really hate its come to using the "Fair use matters" filter on everything to prevent DB companies from trying to profit off of your videos. Keep up the work guys.
Let this sink in - changing the nature of the borg in the past means that the borg in TNG, first contact and VOY all wont happen. Unless they do even lazier writing and get Q to correct the timeline at the end of the series, this 100% breaks the timeline. The writers are frauds. Cant wait for them to ruin the rest of the TNG cast in season 3.
Exactly my thoughts.. 0/10 is STILL to much for this.. it adds NOTHING to the franchise, but has just deleted its main antagonists... it subtracts instead of adding... -1/10!!!
This fucks up everything. It even touches Discovery's Hugh appearance. El Aurians like Guinan or Soran were never forced to leave their home. Haha this destroys everything 😳😭
No it doesn't, depending on what jurati does. Jurati will know everything that had happened has to happen again until the moment she reappears on the Stargazer
@@sbirchysb so the new Borg will ask the Auriens and all the other races that were to be Borg victims to oh so ever nicely depopulate their planets themselves , just to keep the timeline intact. Oh good plan !
@@timhicks94 no, they won't. The Borg will have to do everything they've already done as they did previously without Jurati intervening. She can only make changes at the point her ship appears and calls for Picard on the Stargazer
I'm left leaning. I love Star Trek. Everything I've seen in Discovery and Picard is not Trek. When I was a teenager in the late 90s, I assumed, from Star Trek, that an advanced people would have these decent understandings. But, everything I have seen in the past decade, has deterioated everything humanity stands for. "Fake News". "Black Lives Matter". "All Livers Matter". WTF happened to just common decency? What happened to us as a race? This, I feel, is something that will haunt our species, and no one will know (if they already don't'), for millions of years after WWIII.
As a center right aligned person. Just treat people with decency and don't force your point of view on others. This is terrible writing, even if you agree with the message it pushes, I would be more open to it even showed a secondary point of view. But no, the show message is: Its my way or the highway.
That's what happens to the majority of our beloved franchises now. Writers that came from nowhere with very little experience that only know how to push a message from one side of the spectrum. I have stopped watching ANYTHING new and have instead went back in time to Columbo and other great old shows.
The great tragedy, and Joe agreed with this in one of the previous episodes, is that I agree with the philosophy that the episodes are trying to preach, but the god damn kindergarden way it tries to tell it… sheesh. There used to be metaphors when it came to story telling, likable characters, some level of consistency.
Writers that came from nowhere with very little experience that only know how to push a message from one side of the spectrum. Kurtzman literally wrote over a dozen movies BEFORE Trek and also did writing on tv ... I get people online are dumb but what you said was completely and factually wrong - perhaps be critical without being stupid. Try it.
It's incredible how it can still get worse and worse, episode after episode... TNG was such a fantastic show and a big part of what made me who I am today. I had no expectations at all after season 1, but could not have forseen how bad it would become. I am such a fool, that I have a tiny spark of hope for Strange New Worlds, but it's unwarranted... I'm sending strenght to all of us for the finale... and since we will watch season 3, this time I'll be prepared that it will surpass even my lowest expectations. PS. My suggestion for the new name: "The Beurk"
TNG The Inner Light is the greatest sci fi television ever created, and could possibly be one of the greatest TELEVISION episodes ever created. It tells such a meaningful and poignant story and then carries thru with it affecting Picard throughout the rest of the entire series and beyond. Don't know if I've ever seen anything as good before or since.
YES!! I need to watch "Inner Light" and "Yesterday's Enterprise" again to clear my mental palette. "City on the Edge of Forever" is still brilliant as well.
Can anyone tell me why they have to save this timeline? Isn't this an alternative timeline that leads to the dark future? How does saving it help them get back to their own timeline and stop the borg queen killing them there?
“Wtf are you doing? Why are you questioning what is clearly an amazing and well written show. Now keep eating the slop and giving us money piggy. You as a consumer aren’t intelligent enough to grasp the near divine genius of this series you worthless peasant. You should be so lucky that we grace you with this series.” I imagine that is the general attitude of literally anyone working on this show at this point. Because no way can these people can release this tripe unless they are so far disconnected from everything that this is what they consider good.
Why are so many beloved franchises being systematically and thoroughly decimated to the point its own fans feel it is irretreivable , and always under the spectre of some variation of social message being a factor?
Because California wants to force everyone to see their message, and stuffing it into every franchise is how you take away any place people can go to ignore their politics.
Maybe its because I was half asleep when I finally got around to watching this episode last night and I missed something or misheard it. I haven't seen or heard anyone mention this yet either. But Seven says she tried to join Starfleet but was denied because she was a Borg. But season 1 showed Icheb as a Starfleet officer before they murdered him for his borg parts. Seems like they can't even get this show straight with its own canon, never mind stuff from a time before some of these writers were even born probably.
One of the problems I have with this type of writing is that it vilifies anyone with a even the smallest dissenting views. I wouldn't mind progressive writers promoting their ideas, thoughts and opinions because I don't want the United States to become an echo chamber for the right nor the left, but these writers just can't seem to promote their ideas without stigmatizing anyone with even the slightest of conservative values. I hate it because conservatives and liberals in America are not enemies but every day it feels like they are constantly being pitted against each other.
Yeah agreed 100%. The worst thing is that I think I’m pretty progressive and would agree on a lot of ideas in a show if they were allegories or delivered well. I haven’t seen Picard but I guarantee I would hate it based on AJS reactions to it. And then I would be labeled as someone who disagrees with the ham fisted messages their trying to deliver. Instead of what I actually dislike which is the quality of the writing. There’s a time and place for everything so sometimes it just doesn’t fit to have a certain message in a movie or TV show. And furthermore if as a writer you’re more concerned with the message than writing engaging characters and story itself then the movie / TV show is pretty screwed in my opinion, and only appeals to people that get the message and don’t care that everything else is shite. And worst off it does nothing to help people who disagree with it see your side of the argument. In fact it probably just reinforces their beliefs instead of having them ask questions. I’ve got some friends who have very different beliefs than me, but we can get along very well because we have way more in common than not. I think that’s something that in America today we’re missing. Regardless of political position, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, economic status etc. we all want at the very base level some very common things. And if we could learn to see that then we’d be a whole lot better off as a country and a world in general. We just get hung up on specific issues that divide us instead of seeing the bigger picture.
If anything, this just serves to further enforce the cultural wars then try and show that conservatives and liberals have a whole lot more in common then we do with the people in charge of this country or at the top. So a total disservice.
@@jmoney584 holy shit.. i figured out what the writers are doing!!!! Its actually genius.. they are intentionally sabotaging Trek so progressives AND conservatives hate it! We can strike up a conversation about the source material and wallow in our misery together. Holy shit they are actual geniuses
> One of the problems I have with this type of writing is that it vilifies anyone with a even the smallest dissenting views. That was the whole POINT of the Star Trek format. That's why it was set in space, in the far distant future. That's why it used aliens and allegory to present ideas; To get past the polarization and defensiveness and get people to THINK about the subject. You are literally making the viewpoints INTO alien races, being presented by them, then learning to see those aliens as people, whether you agree with them or not. This is why anytime Star Trek Time Travels to the 'modern day' it ends up being mediocre at best. It bypasses all the machinery that makes Star Trek WORK. It's either campy fluff, or it's a bunch of superior future versions of ourselves getting preachy about how much we suck (And honestly, the crew of Picard is SO flawed they can't even really do that without coming off as hypocritical). There's no distance to allow you to get a new perspective on an issue. It's just 'The Issue'.
Totally agree. Star Trek and other things were common ground where Conservatives and Progressives could enjoy together and talk afterwards. I have been watching since the Original Series. I have had enjoyed it with all kinds of people from different leanings. Now not so much because it's basically propaganda today. No subtlety. No introspection.
I'm so sorry, Joe! Take solace in the fact that I get more entertainment out of your Picard reviews than I do the actual show. I really hope CBS doesn't try to claim this video.
They made Picard a mental case from something that happened in his childhood that he should have got over either before or as a Captain on ST:TNG, not in his retirement! OMG!
The "Go Woke Go Broke" crowd isn't trying to ruin movies or representation. They are trying to spare the world of agendas poorly written to push ideals instead of just writing a good story.
@@Leispada Joe has to say things like that no matter what side so he doesn't offend half his audience. UA-cam is rough and will try and defame you for a simple quote. I get where he is coming from but GWGB communities are literally boycotting movies not because of LGBT, Diversity or Girl Power, but rather the need to overshadow everything else in those ideas. Moon Knight for example spent 4 episodes just glorifying his wife over himself....a superhero. Writing is what kills studios and this creating the GO WOKE GO BROKE tagline.
Remember when Star Trek wanted to do social commentary episodes and they would depict both sides of the issue with equal respect? The captain and crews decisions didn't come easy and had consequences. And the opposing argument was never outright devalued or dismissed. Those were good times.
Joe keeps calling himself a progressive and that he agrees with "the message"... Well Joe, enjoy the fruits of your twisted ideology because you reap what you sow. Maybe someday he will put 2 & 2 together and realize his "progressive" ideology is cancer and is the very thing destroying all his favorite intellectual properties.
Go woke go broke is a thing because going woke is forced on us for no reason. It is shoved in our faces look how woke we are. It's like the bad Christian evangelicals movies and shows from the 80s and 90s . Message first and only Good Content last
I have friends who watch the most horrible shit and will then unironically recommend it, they said they watch this because of how bad it is and they wanna see how much worse it'll get
Angryjoe was ready to put a 0 out of 10 on fast and furious crossroads but he didn't so this one is a exception. Finally the first 0 out of 10 ever on this channel. Congratulations Star Trek Picard, you've reached the lowest of the low.
Not surprising that the writers don't know how a flash bang works. I remember the opening scene of Star Trek Into Darkness, where Spock is going inside a volcano to freeze it. But the device he uses is called a "cold fusion" bomb, and I'm thinking "that's not what cold fusion means you fucking dumbasses!" 😩
I found that having the reveal of the fate of Picard's mother as being the main focus of the season to be bad and somewhat exploitive writing. The writers want to delve into serious issues like tragedy, mental illness, and trauma. But all they're doing is using trauma and mental illness as tools in their mystery box style writing. This show is less about learning to deal with trauma and grieving properly, and more about the reveal of that trauma. They spend episode after episode teasing it, like the MCU teasing the reveal of a fan favorite comic character. And why do they insist on making the 24th century so crappy? 300 years ago, people sent to lunatic asylums were horribly abused, they were chained to beds, they were put in cells with no ventilation and extremely limited outside contact. Look at how much our methods of treating mental illness have improved since then. And Star Trek takes place 300 years from now, their ways of treating mental illness should be exponentially better than what we have. So why did Picard's mother get treated like mentally ill people from the 1700's? Is it just this one rare case with the Picard family? Then they're basically saying that the Picard family are horrible or extremely ignorant people, they would be the equivalent of religious cultists today who confine and abuse their families. And there are just so many plot holes and nonsensical things to even name. If the Queen could use the ship's transporter, why not just beam Rene Picard into space and kill her? Starfleet not accepting Seven makes no sense since last season established that they accepted Icheb. I guess the writers forgot. If their ship can copy a person's memory and use it to create a perfect clone, why was Picard being turned into a synth such a big deal? They can just do it to anyone. Yes, I get that the ship is actually from the Confederation timeline, but there's nothing to indicate that the technology was unique to the Confederation. Picard is 90 years old, how did the mercenaries have so much trouble taking him out? How did they think Rios would be less helpful in the fight than 90 year old Picard, who can't even run? Wouldn't releasing this new Borg into the galaxy be the biggest disruption to the timeline? The Borg are around in the 21st century. A subplot in First Contact was the Borg trying to use the deflector to call the 21st century Borg to earth. What happens if 21st century Borg finds and assimilates Jurati and gets access to 24th century technology?
I would say who gives a fuck about Picard's mother? Literally no one ever. Yet it's in all the episodes.. Borg Queen, Q but nah we will write about fucking Picard's mother. Zzzzzzzz
@@rippl3r0 I wonder if the writers even know what specific mental illness Picard's mother has. Was she bipolar and having manic/depressive episodes? Was she schizophrenic and having paranoid delusions? Did she have early onset Parkinson's or even Alzheimer's, causing hallucinations and memory loss? Did she suffer physical damage to her brain that wasn't treated in time and left permanent psychological effects? Did she have a made up sci-fi disease? She has symptoms that could be caused by many different kinds of mental illness. Good writers would find specific illnesses and research them so they can be accurately portrayed. Bad writers would just throw a bunch of "crazy" tropes in and make it a nondescript generic "mental illness."
I could tell that the complete bastardization of a progressive message really weighed on Joe. This kind of parasitic writing is the poster child for the “go woke, go broke” crowd, and it couldn’t have hit a worse series than Star Trek. I know many conservatives that LOVE Star Trek. The progressive themes don’t tend to bother them because Old Trek handled its subjects with respect and maturity, and a good episode could explore a philosophical issue in such a novel way that anyone of any political background could take something away from it. Imagine those viewers seeing the preachy, childish, one-dimensional mess that Star Trek has become.
As a conservative (British conservative but nonetheless conservative) I remember first watching Trek with Enterprise and loving that series. Then watching DS9 and TNG I loved those series as well (DS9 especially), and I admired the optimistic, adventurous style of the Trek series’. I didn’t feel insulted or feel the need to roll my eyes at some things. Hell there was one point when I actually wanted a global government Star Trek style. Now? Fuck that. It’s all about ICE and stupid shit like that
Picard writing is more liberal than progressive IMO. The warped "go woke" messaging that doesnt require any thought and doesnt accomplish anything blended with mindless violence has been a red flag...
"progressives" are uninformed anti science ideologocial people claiming things should be solved the way they think they should he solved. Their opinions are based on feelings not facts, emotion not science. They want "renewable energy", that will require trillions of none renewable batteries to be strip mined. They think every country should have open borders, just because, of you dissagree youre a racist. Men can be women based on feelings. Humans can have two spirits... Its all ideological nonsense. Sorry if this hurts your feelings but youve bought into a terrible ideology. Get over it. Everything these people do fails because of the structure of the ideology itself. Its like a child saying why are there homeless people, just take rich peoples money and buy houses for all the homeless. Its naive, ots onherently one dimension because its not based in reality. Its based on doing things only because they feel like the "right" thing.
Hell, I find myself to support a good amount of left leaning ideas, amd even I think what these guys are doing to Star Trek is absolutely trash. I'm not against including political messages, but you have to actually DO something interesting and profound with them instead of cookie cutter bullshit like this.
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I've got to admit, I've been looking forward to this episode of The Angry Joe Show. Who needs Picard when you can watch Joe lose his mind in real time?
This is way more entertaining and you don't have to support terrible member berries made by people who don't have a clue what made the originals (or any show) good.
It’s definitely more enjoyable. I know I’m not watching Picard. I still got old TNG and DS9 to watch.
I have’t seen a single episode of this season. I’ve only seen Joe and RLM. I absolutely love this season so far
Ahh yes I member
Agreed, watching the gang react to all these bad shows recently is more entertaining than the shows themselves.
The realization in Joe's eyes that if he rates this episode a 1/10, then he is insulting every film that he has ever labeled a 1/10.
I think he was hesitant because it opens a can of worms for future reviewing. I would simplify what a ZERO means by classifying it as 2 things. 1) Non functional on all levels as a story and entertainment, and 2) Actually harmful to watch as a fan. What I mean is a story so bad that it breaks existing stories AND makes it almost impossible to repair with future writing with a major overhaul or mulligan.
@@SSingh-nr8qz What can they do but say this Star Trek is based in an alternate reality in the Cannon.. That 1980's/90's Star Trek Next Gen and Star Trek: Picard are 2 separate Picard's from alternate realities.
Only way to save Star Trek is to cut this one off into the Shitverse of bad Star Treks.
Demmm i like picard just for joes reviews, cant even look the episodes
Indeed. There will be worse things in the future, but until then, this has to be the worst thing ever made.
ironically the exact reason why there are .something review systems. after you have reviewed enough things it becomes mandatory. if you try to use "a is better than b" logic which i think aj has tried to avoid.
First 0/10? Would never have thought Star Trek of all things would earn that rating, but then this isn’t really Star Trek is it?
This show is the Star Trek Trexels of Star Trek TV shows.
Go woke go broke
Its woke bullcrap.
@@diane6378 I haven't seen the show nor planning to, but what's woke about it?
@@brokenboy351 the message overshadows the content. The show is merely a platform. No subtlety. No interest in exploring complex issues. Even if you agree with the message it hammers you so much in a hamfisted way that the story becomes a mockery of itself, and characters start to look like caricatures . The audience can see the blatant attempts and it takes you out of the world, poorly constructed as it is.
I’m guessing it’s some of that.
This is not to be confused with progressive writing that was often present in later seasons of TNG and DS9 and was prepared to look into issues with various sides allowed to state their case. Even when it wasn’t subtle, it was generally interesting and there were very little easy conclusions.
Other Joe’s comments always get me more than anything else
“Stop pretending to be the writers” lmaoooo
They wrote the script in crayon? C'mon, guys, don't be silly!
If the writers had crayons they would eat them.
Didnt know the writers were marines
underrated comment
Exactly!
they wrote the script in Crayola *no mess color Wonder" markers, which was a huge expense to the production because they never put the Caps back on they would be driving the next day
They have one of those crayon maker toys. They keep just making brown though
Lol 😆
You know it's awfully bad when Alex doesnt need to say anything because Joe, the usually optimistic one, is having a meltdown.
Alex just complains at the sake of
Complaining… he’s just such a miserable person 😂
@@pukkicfc9061 cry
@@Just_a_Jape at? 😂🤷🏻♂️
@@pukkicfc9061 Nah, that's just a way to excuse complaints you don't agree with
11 years since "Sonic Free Riders", the first 1/10 ever given on the show. And Picard finally broke the scale. Never thought I would see something so insulting that a 0/10 would be the final result.
you forgot Resident Evil: The Final Chapter
@@Takato2527 Wrong, that was still a 1/10 it was close but still 1/10.
"the lowest one out of ten I can give and I would give it a zero out of ten if I didn't make my rating scale be where it is non functional, it is borderline zero out of ten." - Angryjoe
Even worse than Ride to Hell?
@@2DRonaldo Joe explained this in his livestream yesterday. As awful as RTH was, there were no expectations for it to be good. Star Trek is a beloved franchise, and to see it treated like this, on top of being objectively bad, warranted the extra penalty in score.
-10/10
You know that it's a complete dumpster fire when you look forward to and are more excited about watching Joe rip it to shreds than the actual show itself! R.I.P. Star Trek 1966-2020
Nope it's, 1966-2009.
@@Persian-Immortal Naw it died as soon as the first episode of Picard came out up until that point there was still some hope left IMO.
I do have some faith in "Strange New Worlds". It has to be better than this s**t!
Poor Patrick Steward. He was a legend with Star Trek, TNG. Now... =/
Star Trek ended in 2009 with J.J. Abrams. When he gave permission to NOT fix the timeline, and allowed "writers" to create their own "truth," and own messed up timeline, this is the dumper fire that will not be put out... I love Alex. "I'm glad that you're living YOUR truth." lol. Classic. (31:00)
This is NOT Star Trek. Some guy on UA-cam (I'm sorry, I forgot who) said, "This is not Star Trek, the writers are using Star Trek as a cardboard background to play out contrived melodrama." And that's the gist of it. At this point I'm past being angry and am simply sad. I do however need you, Joe and crew, to STAY ANGRY as your review of this BASTARDIZATION of Star Trek is indeed therapeutic for frustrated long time fans such as myself. So thank you and make it so.
I am canceling my subscription in protest.
Many people have said it. That's the trend. Hijack popular IPs and twisting them to fit the Hollywood pedo or white hate agendas.
more than "not star trek" this is "not good filmmaking in any sense" its offensive. it treats the audience like we're stupid
@@antonego9581 Let's be honest here, the MAJORITY of the people sitting in front of the television IS STUPID. They enjoy this. This (and a lot of other shows/movies) isn't targeted at you, or me, or Joe.
It's progressivism wearing Star Trek as a skin suit. Very creepy. Very uncanny valley.
Even without the text in the thumbnail, the image alone was enough to make me go, "Oh, this is going to be a whole other level of an epic fail and angry rant. I better get some popcorn."
Same 😂
I opened a bag of chips.
Same, I’m not interested in TV shows or the Star Trek universe but will watch Joe go on angry rant on anything
Same. Didn't watch any kind of Star Trek as the aesthetic isn't my cup of tea but I will watch the boys rant about anything
This is a historical day for the Angry Joe Show. Joe-who has always strongly insisted that you cannot go below a 1/10 on ANYTHING on his show-decided to give something a 0/10.
Tbf this is only possible when an existing franchise is destroyed in an episode with no entertainment value to watch it mindlessly.
@@michaellane5381 Joe, OJ & Alex said it themselves. This episode had zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. Everything about this episode was downright horrific. Not a single positive found that could've given it a 1 outta 10.
Santa Inc and Everything Gona be All White deserves -10 negative rating but NuTrek and other slaughtered franchise's are close too.
@@DragonHeart613 I haven't watched any of the series so I cannot quantify the score, I'm just saying for arguments sake 1/10 being the lowest rating for rating almost any media yet rating this 0/10 is not entirely inconsistent as it might actively be reducing your enjoyment of the previous media while not entertaining you in the present.
I would argue that while that then sounds like a negative point scale might be more accurate the logic of 1/10 being lowest still finds a 0/10 rating as more accurate because to quantify the negative would require quantifying all the ruined content which would be beyond any objective standard and ruining the rating scales integrity.
Thus Zeroing out the scale is fair in this case but wouldn't really work with a new/original property.
The very first 0/10, the worst of the worst has been achieved. My god...
Hey Joe, I've got your new borg quote right here:
Jaborgy: ""We are the Jaborgy. Please lower your shields and allow us to board your ships. With your consent, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to benefit all of us. Resistance is optional!"
Literally anyone: "No thanks."
Jaborgy: "Ok, bye mister."
I was thinking Alborg Borgsman or Jorg Jorg Borgarms as the name for the new Borg
Jurborgi*
I’m convinced the writers for Picard are on almost every drug imaginable. I’ve never seen writing this bad in years!
Makes me miss Star Trek Enterprise.
Enterprise is a million times better.
0:03
Joe acts like he’s on almost every drug ever
OJ: “Hey, Stop pretending to be the writers.”
God I wish there be more movies instead of this I rather watch for it.
At some point we have to accept that it’s political propaganda.
The new Borg from Picard season 2 will be named - *The Bored* ... "We are The Bored... Resistance is reasonable... With your permission, our biological & technological distinctiveness will be added to your own... Your culture will be respected... Live in your truth..."
Concent has a better ring to it than permission. Also change culture to individuality, because culture is patriarchal repression of women and non binary beings.
They're Swedish?
So, the precedent has been set. We now have a show that it so horrendous, so borked, so detached from the universe that it broke the rating system. That's impressive in of itself.
But wait, there is more: Season 3 is in the can and ready to go!
That's just disgusting rather than impressive duh
@@diatonicdelirium1743 With almost TNG cast... Oh my God.
Should we just call them the Bork now?
@@diatonicdelirium1743 Thanks for the warning dude🤢
The amused look on Alex's face while Joe was going out of his mind was hilarious.
Seven: "They're not people anymore, they're Borg." Seven said that. Seven of Nine. The former Borg with the Borg name.
She also rescued Borg children and took care of them.
@@JoeSchmo747-t2c Not people children, just Borg children!
@@newchrisusa As in not assimilated babies, but test tube babies!
..on a show, whose namesake is the most famous ex-borg Starfleet Captain in the history of their own fucking lore, who she is friends with....
@@rudeboyjohn3483 great point. Guess Picard is a non-person now. Data is spinning in his server!
Remember old Star Trek?
I love the episode when Odo and Quark crash land on an Alpine-like area of a planet and there isn't enough oxygen in the atmosphere for them to survive. In a matter of hours, they will die from hypoxia. So they have to get up high to place a beacon so that someone can come and rescue them. These two characters who were diametrically opposed to one another and who have been playing cat and mouse games the whole time, now have to work together. The security chief and the black market criminal.
Remember when Star Trek was about that?
Edit: Share your favorite Star Trek Episodes.
Aah, "the ascent". Classic ep. Before the dark times. Before Kurtzman.
Great episode. They hated each other, but respected each other. When push comes to shove, they both know they have each others back.
Or the episode where Quark accidently auctions off his body parts because he believed he was about to die. And subsequently had to make a choice between his own life and breaking his code established by his people. And ends up choosing his own life and getting all his posessions taken away, only for the people he would least expect to come and help him back.
Exactly this they took a sensetive matter and made it interesting and thought provoking, they didn't shove PC nonsense down our throat with 0 respect for the subject matter
You mean, about good writing?
One of Kurtzman's oddest beliefs is that audiences can only like a character if they badass or quirky. Every movie he does (Transformers, TASM, and nuTrek) follows this pattern. He doesn't think people care for kindness, intelligence, honor, and dutiful as things people want in their protagonists.
That says a lot about the type of person he is himself...
And hell, mass effect proved you don’t even need to necessarily have good traits. Jack is a murderous psychopath and samara is a religious zealot but both have enough nuance and offer a unique perspective to grow into some of the best characters.
so true
@@roberthesser6402 Let's be honest, people were always going to like a tattooed psychotic killer that barely wears cloths.
One can be quirky and honorable like a Harry Kim
The Borg are among the greatest enemies Picard and The Federation ever faced. Not surprised these idiot writers decided to screw it up. I watched the first season and was so disgusted I almost couldn't finish it. No plans to watch any more of this train wreck. Same with Discovery.
The thing is, season 3 and 4 of Disco have a steadily improved, so even though it still has *GLARING FLAWS* the last two Disco seasons have had a lot of redeeming qualities and a lot of LGBTQA+ inclusiveness that have actually _brought in_new fans to the franchise. I _still_ can’t find anything redeemable or worthwhile in Picard, it’s *irredeemable!*
@@Popcultureguy3000 "brought in new fans" and "steadily improved" don't belong in the same sentence as star trek discovery. If anything. It got progressively worst and had more people pushing away from it, and actual numbers for the shows aren't being stated.
@@homelessend8557 Look man, the LGBTQA+ representation on Disco has been very good since season 1, they even knew how well the gay sci-fi geeks of America responded to the first openly gay couple on Star Trek and went out of their way to bring back from the dead one half of their main gay couple so they would stop being accused of killing him off to have less scenes of a married gay couple onscreen together. And then after that, they hired a non-binary actor to play a new ensign who rose to Lieutenant and trans actor to play a Trill.
Like it or hate it, Disco’s always been the Trek show that goes out of its way to include as much LGBTQA representation in a way that felt organic rather than forced (with the exception of _maybe_ the Alternate Universe Professor from an Alternate Universe Risa in season 4? I can’t tell if that felt forced or not because his whole backstory episode felt like useless padding, and maybe I just think that aspect was forced was because having a whole episode dedicated to said backstory was unnecessary).
@@Popcultureguy3000 felt the most organic. Now that's a good joke. And Lgbt representation hasn't been good on this show especially since none of what they're doing matches what other successful shows have done. It still has bad writing, plotlines, etc, so focusing on a "message" rather than making most of the characters likeable pushes people away, even those it's trying to cater to, not brings them to watch the show. Representation means nothing if they do it in the poorest, least effort way possible, to the point viewership drops further.
So, they made the Borg, the most dangerous threat the federation has ever seen into Jawas.
I’m baffled.
Hey don't insult the Jawas like that!
There's still the other borg
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When Alex rubs his head in silence...you know it's bad, LOL!
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When a favorite franchise of mine starts to release bad content, I find it therapeutic to personally declare it as non-canon. Then I try my best to forget that it exists.
That's how I feel when I watch a man win first place at a women's swimming comp
Same. I don't watch it any more it ain't canon to me it ain't Star Trek to me. I just rewatch the old stuff now.
I'm on my fifth series, when does this trend every end?
@@diane6378 wtf does that have to do with anything
@@longliveyheking98 if you read you can see he explained that the feeling the op mentioned is similar to a feeling he gets when he sees people abuse gender identities for self gain.
Getting a 1/10 means your show is Absolutely horrendous. It should be fixed immediately.
Getting a 0/10 means your Show just shouldn't exist.
"I watch this show literally to see how bad it gets. It's almost disgustingly interesting. It's like watching a trainwreck in slow-motion, as bodies are being squeezed, and eyeballs are popping, and blood and guts are showering everywhere. It is such a disaster that you cannot look away."
Legit IMDB review material.
Doctor Who, Star Trek and Star Wars have all gone through similar things.
It's just a good job you aren't a fan of Doctor Who is all I can say
Havnt watched since David was the doctor that was gold when I was a kid
Theres a point to be made about Dr Who being in decline after Tenant.
He was, I think, the last "true" Doctor, the subsequent regenerations are quite different in tonality and in how they and the episodes are written.
That being said, I do like Matt Smith, though I belive he was underutilized, he has the right sort-of feel to him. Smug and wise yet childish and crazy, more or less what I would expect from the Doctor.
@@generalerica4123 I enjoyed Capaldi in Series 9 and 10.
@@generalerica4123 I thought Capaldi was a decent Doctor.
@@Horrormaster13 Well, okay, sure. Capaldi you can have.
Alex's 6 straight minutes of silence followed by a half hearted "it's bad", is solid fucking gold.
I feel so bad for Other Joe. AJ and Alex are trekkies, but poor OJ has to suffer through this shit without even any context lmao
I was thinking this lol
That actually helps I think. Especially in season one, I sort of liked it because of the nostalgia hit. To see a beloved franchise and it's characters getting utterly destroyed now is painful.
OJ is blissfully ignorant and spared that. He only sees the objectively bad writing and execution now.
Like Jay, lol
i became a trekkie a few years ago, tng is so good one of the best of all time
0/10 was very generous. Literally everything is awful. Picard remembered his elderly mom with a French accent in TNG, and in this episode they retconned it by him addressing it as something he used to imagine. Actual knowledge of trek lore, but also major retcon for the woke narrative! Truly awful.
Love Jorborgi. Perfect name for stupid borg. Can't wait for the memes, lol.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”
the guillotine would disagree
Putin.
@@itsenox4145 bulls aren't that new of a concept though
Just like conservatives
@@InTrancedState lol so weak so completely unrelated
what a pathetic cope of a statement
Let me get this straight. Picard,who has been assimilated by the Borg,tortured by the Cardassians, lived a lifetime in the span of five minutes, actually died and relived his past ;is gonna lose his shit over a repressed childhood trauma. WTF?🤦♂️
Nevermind the fact that Picard saw a vision of his mother in TNG as an old woman.
The idiots who wrote this garbage couldn't even pay attention to _that._
I don't get it, either. Let's get to season 3 already.
Lots & lots to criticize, but IMO, this is the one thing they got right. A child finding his Mother hanging (more so than letting her out of the room) is as seriously traumatizing as it gets. Absolutely enough to completely repress the memory. (Yeah, I'm a psyche nurse.)
@@lilymack4028 Except it completely contradicts every other bit of canon. It doesn't make sense, not because it doesn't make sense on it's own, but because it doesn't make sense when put up against the entirety of Picard's character history.
@@lilymack4028 So in the 24th century, after 300 years of medical advancement, the best they could do for a suicidal woman was to lock her up every night in a room with a 19th century lock and key? It makes zero sense. Lazy writing at its finest.
At the end of season 1, wasn't Seven crying about how she never wanted to be a mindless violent killer again? Wasn't she really upset about the deaths of all the Borg? Now fast forward to Season 2 and she's a mindless killing machine telling Raffi that they should show no mercy to the Borg. 🤦🏻♂ The writers really don't give a shit about their own continuity. This is the madlibs school of script writing.
I fear the writers see that as ChArAcTeR DeVeLoPmEnT
But that doesn't make sense, she killed hundreds of people in the name of vengeance...she was kicking around corpses like a thug. You can't trust anything these characters say or do because their actions may be retconned in the very next episode
cant be worse than halo show.
@@Blox117 nah picard is worse but halo is definatly one step worser then picard
@@adad87821 nah Picards definitely worst. Imagine having a character since the 80s and completely destroying the character, the plot of previous episodes, and the entire legacy through a single episode. It made the Khan project lame, made the "watchers" be time lord assholes that do nothing, give the Q a mortality, and wiped out 50+ years of canon like toilet paper
The problem I’m having with this episode, and this season is this:
I have a friend who lost her husband to this illness. We lost the greatest comedian of all time to this illness.
And, they FLAT OUT FUCKING HAM FISTED IT!
Their contrived way of making this some kind of character development macguffin so devalues the message and the problem we face with this really serious issue pisses me off to nearly physical pain.
I can forgive a great many sins- The shitty way these clown did the Klingons, how they’re taking a steaming dump on what the Federation is, the loose, wild west attitude with the cannon. But, if they’re gonna preach “Social Issues” and the turn around and do this to a real issue. Then, hypocrisy at it basest level and these folks need to be called out on it.
Amen JJ Fuck The Fans Abrams and Kurtzman have another great fuck the fans moment.
More then called, they need to be banned from Hollywood and writing jobs!
If you really want to explore female empowerment, why not go back and explore Tasha Yar's character? o_O Remember her back story?
One day when we are old, we will tell our children that we were there for a 0/10 from Angry Joe
Patiently waiting for 'The Orville' season 3... I am hoping the long production time benefited it and we see some great episodes.
Just over a month to go, baby! I have no doubt that Seth and company will deliver.
I can't friggan wait myself. The Orville is what star trek use to be. Season 3 should be awesome.
Whaat I didn't know that existed
I'm ashamed to say I've only just noticed the Orville from you guys mentioned it in one of Joe's Picard video's but damn it's good
this is my first hearing about Orville season 3. I'll spread the word to my friends and family
I love how the writers clearly don't get their material, but seem to only think superficially about how to stir up some drama and be "relevant". The "twist" with the borg queen clearly panders to that, trying to "show some humanity". But guess what, the idea behind the Borg is actually, that they aren't. In a show, that was about communication, about understanding of cultures, of different species and how differences and other obstacles can be overcome by reason, not just emotion and going "AAAAAAH I HAAAAAATE YOUUUUUU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DOOOONEEE!" the Borg were meant to not fit in, to be the antithesis. They have actually been invented to show that even in a utopia that Star Trek tried to depict, there still can be room for true conflict.
They don't care, they don't have any feelings, they cannot be reasoned with. You cannot try to talk to them, to appeal to some kind of moral or pity. They will kill you, they will exploit you and your body is nothing else than a junkyard to them, from which they can choose and pick, to stitch you together like a true Frankenstein's monster, true body horror.
Nope, the Borg queen is just a misunderstood little girl. Sorry, but you writers are just idiots.
Literally taking everything about the Borg and ignoring it. Complete 180 that makes no sense, with horrible explanations, and contrived macguffins, topped off with horrible over emotional scenes. And the thing is, all the people on this show are top frigging notch actors - it is amazing that this show could do this with them.
The worst thing Star Trek ever did was give the Borg a queen. They were much more menacing as an amorphous villain with no specific target to eliminate that would defeat them.
@@ToyHunter-wc9dz it made them more dangerous too because there was literally almost no weakness. Having a queen gives the Borg a centralized major weakness, noting how the movie ended. Also the queen, having sentient and emotions goes against everything the Borg are, and makes you wonder how they even work as a whole being controlled by essentially a human.
Nooo the idea that the Borg have been looking for an equal a partner goes back to TNG with locutus of Borg being intended as herald and effective consort of Borg quee . Then data in first contact and finally seven in voyager all had a Borg queen's special attention
Woo that's sound so cool, to say even here there are unreasonable
Damn these writers are intent on ruining everything. Startrek, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Wheel of Time....geez
Alexs first genuine smile during this was when he heard how many episodes are left
ALSO, with the """Borg Queen""", I'm using quotations cause it's not the borg queen, at all, taking the ship and changing her ways, it destroys the timeline! We got the Vulcans making first contact too early, Picard no longer gets assimilated, Wolf 359 never happens, Voyager never happens, Starfleet never works on upgrading their firepower, making them a weaker target for the Dominion, and that's just SOME of what will happen!
TBH they completely forgot about the Dominion War. I mean yeah they paid lip service to Sisko but they haven't given a fig about the Dominion War since Star Trek: Nemesis.
You'd think people would've been more willing to help the Romulans with their sun going nova since they helped stop the Dominion.
The writers have no love of star trek
7 of 9 pretty much grandfather paradoxed herself.
@SpiderGuy2019 Not really, because at the moment there are in, there is the REAL Borg-Queen in the Delta-Quadrant, assimilating billions. The one on earth is a mix of a Queen from an alternate universe and Gerardi, existing parallel to the real one. But....BUT....i dont think the writers thought about that.
I never thought I'd see the day where The Orville is closer to true Star Trek then a legitimate Star Trek series is.
Never thought I'd say this but I want McFarlane to head a Trek show.
The Expanse too
True. The Kaylons are basically the android uprising from Season 1, but done a hell of a lot better.
“Seth” Trek understands what makes _great_ Sci-Fi: *Exploring the social and moral implications of technology.*
Star 'Tard Picard is just _more dumb action schlock,_ the federation serves no purpose, and the writers just make up dumb shit as they go along.
its actually really good and we are getting a new season too
39:30 The fact that this was Angry Joe's first ever 0/10 is actually funny to think. I remember when he gave Sonic Free Riders his first 1/10 a decade prior. I was thinking Fast & Furious : Crossroads would have been Angry Joe's first ever 0/10.
After the dreadful Discovery season 04, it is mindboggling how they manage to produce even far worse Star Trek. TNG is my all-time favourite show and it breaks my heart to see it getting wrecked in such a despicable and disrespectful manner. Shame on you CBS!
for me DSC was dreadful already from s1x1
@@Zontar82 Dude for real, I gave up after the first episode when this chick led a mutiny against her captain, that was the dumbest reason to mutiny.
I mean I TRIED giving them some benefit of the doubt since most star trek shows especially TNG had a rocky start, but damn it just doesn't get any better
@@Zontar82 Discovery is a masterpiece compared to whatever this is. Just when you think it can't get any worse they find new ways to surprise you
She gets fully reinstated and saves the universe.
Never thought he would actually do it 1 was as low as he'd go but finally after 12 years of angry joe a 0 out of 10
Imagine a 0 out if 10 game. What could possibly be worse than ride tonhell or sonic free riders.
@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 The game would have to give you aids by playing it.
@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 I honestly don’t want to know..
@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 Probably a game that gives you seizures while also being a mtx hellhole, while having terrible performance and it directly insults gamers thru dialogue or smth
@@Walamonga1313 i think it would be game that barely functions.
"Alex say something!"
"...... it's bad'
Alex is easily my favorite person
Alex was thinking "I would do Seven of 9"
I love how they explain how Ginan meets Picard in this show for the first time COMPLETELY FORGETTING that She met him long ago back with Mark Twain when they went back in time with Data and the Next Gen crew... but I guess Ginan has a shitty memory now.
If 10/10s aren't perfect masterpieces with no flaws whatsoever then personally I think 0 should be allowed on the scale. Can't wait for the first 0/10 angry game review
Sonic free riders should have been because it was damaging to his body.... :)
I fully endorse Joe's reaction to this level of writing. This show and Halo completely encompasses/showcases all Sci-Fi writing on Paramount+
"All I have to do is buy whatever I want, take over the industry, and then everyone will be forced to watch whatever garbage I put out for the lowest price, at the highest profit margin. What, that doesn't work? Huh... But, it worked when I sold books online..." -Jeff Bezos "You mean launching rockets powered by Methane and supporting Russia in their war of aggression isn't a long-term viable option? Huh..." -Elon Musk "Who would have thought providing NUCLEAR power would be dangerous..." -Bill Gates "I just wanted to make chicks feel insecure about their bodies since I could never get a date in high school or college." -Mark Zuckerberg
Well, those drones were created using "inferior metals" so that could be a bit of an escape hatch for stupid plot holes. Jurati would better off not assimilating the commandos - seems that inferior assimilation results in stormtrooper-level accuracy ;) But yeah, this series is horribly uneven... With each good/cool idea come two or three really poor ones.
The best ending would be them realizing their total disregard of the timeline’s integrity is actually what causes the fascist dystopian future they tried to prevent.
You know they're gonna leave a cliffhanger for the finale, like every freaking episode. At this point, I almost think that they won't even get back to the future until the next season - thats how bad it's gotten. This entire season was padding and filler to keep people subbed to their service for an extra year or so, absolutely insane.
Makes sense after world war 3 in that universe of the communist woke
the best ending would be them all getting shot in the Bell riots and Sisko runs on screen to kickstart "Past Tense"
I gave up on Star Trek when J.J. Abrams DIDN'T fix the space time continuum. He watched Back to the Future Part 2, and thought, "Hey, I like what Biff did! Let's do that and NOT fix the timeline, so I can create my own bastardized version of Star Trek."
There's a great interview on youtube with Leonard Nimoy where he explains the "Vulcan nerve pinch"s origin . He was supposed to hit a guard in the head with his gun, almost mobster style. He said :" No, this is barbaric. We are in the future we evolved beyond that, i will paralyze him with a secret technique my race developed. It's more interesting and more elegant". That was Star Trek. Trying to think how the human race could be in an ideal future, trying to think of interesting and elegant ways to solve problems. And then there's Picard...
Well maybe but classic Trek had FIST FIGHTS all the time I think Leonard is having selective memory bias frankly
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Do we see Vulcans ever punch or shoot anyone in the show? No? Then the case is rested.
@@jlev1028 Are you seriously challenging me??
Spock fights Kirk in "Amok Time" - boy you are dense LOLOLOL
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 indeed, but that doesn't mean they didn't try different solutions or imagining a better future. Now where in Picard can you see that?
Same with how Nimoy innovatively used a Jewish priest blessing as part of an alien looking gesture of peace. The dude was really creative.
So Picard's mansion stayed the same for 300 years? None of the people who lived in the house for the next 300 years thought, "hey, maybe we should remove or at least rennovate our death trap basement?"
I like the fact that there's a shotgun hanging on the wall in an abandoned house that is not full of piss and shit and homeless junkies. And that weapon is loaded and ready for action. Or that Walther P38 that Picard finds in a random box, is loaded and also ready to shoot....Eh, whatever, why am i even trying? It should have been a Tommy gun that he uses to mow down all the r3+@rded Borg soldiers.
Impossible, it would long been vandalized and mostly brought to rubble.
“Computer end program”
Vulcan says to Human officer: “I will never understand your curiosity with alternate realities that have characters that could not exist in reality.”
Opening Credits.
Star Trek: TNG thoughtfully explored sociopolitical topics from multiple points of view. Star Trek: Picard completely denies the existence of other points of view.
19:40 why is this clip put in the video?
@@raam726 Thats Weekend at Bernies, where guys puppet a corpse so people still think the guy is alive. As the clip is shown joe is talking about them using the corpse of star trek as a puppet.
Well it portrays other points of views as evil. Only the writers personal politics gets treated like it's the only correct view.
While TNG certainly "explored" multiple points of view, they were usually pretty direct about which they thought was morally right. Star Trek: TNG was the OG "SJW" content, intelligently done unlike the pandering slop of modern Hollywood.
That's what happens when political cultists are in charge of running a tv show. TNG is way more relevant for the current times than this shit will ever be.
Calling them “writers” is an exaggeration at this point. “Scribblers” is more deserved
Political zealots are what they are.
Showing someone "Inner Light" and then this episode, is a war crime.
Yeah, maybe someone should do it to the writers and Kurtzman...
I would add a few episodes like "All Good Things", "A Measure of a Man", and "Tapestry". All Picard centric and freaking amazing!
@@SSingh-nr8qz Let's add The Drumhead to that. An episode which' morality is the exact inverse of whatever this thing is supposed to be.
Starship Mine is another really good one!
Darmok would be another good Picard centric one to add to the list
It's heartbreaking how so many of our most beloved franchises and beloved nerd culture icons have just been shit on by people who don't give a shit about them.
I think if a series is actively destroying the legacy of a franchise then you can absolutely give it a 0/10.
Same as Dr Who unfortunately
And game, movie etc.
The Promised Neverland Season 2.
The Last Airbender
Everything that Joe just ranted about is exactly what many people complain about the current "Woke era" of StarTrek, if not much of these "continuation/adaptation/reimaginings". TNG was enlightened, visionary, thought provoking, and yet approachable to a general audience, but this is a crime. A CRIME!
I will say that any complaint mentioning wokeness will be ignored by the writers and creators cause they're so far up their own asses. As someone whose all for everything inclusivity and political commentary on all that's bad about the world, including racism, the word woke has become such a meme that it's only really used by racist right wing fucks and internet people that don't realize that most people think only racist right wing fucks use it.
Think it's the thing. Old Trek constantly explored progressive ideas, but they did it in a framework where they allowed for exploration and discussion of ideas, not strictly proselytization. Even Picard's speeches, as self-righteous as they could be, were generally about rising above the kind of hard-lined ways things are now delivered.
Right now we just have people pointing at things and saying "that's bad". No depth, no nuance, no questions. It's just bad writing and completely undermines old Trek and it's push for more rational examination of progressive concepts.
@@monody i'm gonna go watch best of both worlds again just to balance this turd out
"Discovery": I am the worst Star Trek-series!
"Picard": Hold my beer
hold my cup of Earl Grey...hot.
This means ride to hell retribution actually got a higher score then something
Remember when Star Trek was about exploring space and the final frontier? A whole lot of not that happening in this...didn't know Star Trek was really just being stuck on Earth the entire time with generic drama.
To be honest, exloring space always was just the excuse to debate philosophical and ethic dilemmas of the present. They just did it smarter.
Picard's story ended with him playing poker with his crew. Finally joining in with the family that he had established over 7 long years. Becoming one with them rather than being apart. IT was perfect.
Luke Skywalker's cinematic story ended with him redeeming his father, Anakin Skywalker and fulfilling the prophecy of the Force. Then returning to the circle, the family that he had developed and discovered, the brother figure and his new found twin sister. It was perfect.
There is nothing else.
Yes there is. Get over it.
@@michaelknox3715 not for me! Excised from my memory! Enjoy your inferior entertainment though by all means!
@@AltheSpiderlord dude its like 5 year old movie man. Just move on
@@f.n.p3710 Surely by removing it from my headcannon i have? I mean it would really suck if they produced a sequel trilogy that didnt even get the original cast back together for one scene and completly undid everthing that everyone suffered and went through to bring peace to the galaxy just to prop up a new perfect infallible yet utterly boring hero. I'm just glad they didn't do that.
I still like TLJ Luke even though there are problems
So Starfleet rejected Seven, but accepted Icheb? Between this and the Vulcans mind melding in the 1970s from last week it's clear the writers have no regard for what others have written, or even what they themselves have written.
this is what happens when feminism wright's Star Trek... they will make it so guys get a free pass but the women never succeed but in the end the men are hiding behind barrels as the women clean up the mess.
You know what pisses me off about that? Picard was a Borg. He recovered. Seven is Borg, she recovered. Picard is now an Android. Seven is more human than he is.
Hell I forgot that during Enterprise they had stopped using their ability to mind meld. I just got caught up in the fact that they referenced that episode of Enterprise in the first place.
.. I am OK w Starfleet declining Seven, she has borg tech they don't understand and will be on ships w nuclear weapons or worse so who knows if she goes borgy or nanobots esapr... Did did she have a "right" to work in Starfleet. Women tried to force military to let their small bodies go into combat, and courts said feelings don't matter they get to pick the solidest applicants.. . We forget Starfleet deals with emergences by operating billion dollar ships, we need stable staff not risky. Would you hire swimmer Michael Phelps to be lifeguard and throw the swim ring to kid, knowing he is a millionaire pothead who is great but likely to be late or just pay less attention. Examples are many of military NOT wanting movie stars in WW2 since they want boring trips to man equipment and not make morale different. Seven would b great as scientist, not trusted w nuclear weapons the govt builds. Would you let Justin Bieber volunteer to join Army and man nuclear silo, or Bill Nye the scientist guy rather than boring kid from Kansas without any ego to fight with?? Or even trust him with driving a tank in Kuwait rather than a boring Iowa kid much less likely to disobey and shoot up a city? . I am exaggerating , and I am assuming Starfleet has boring duties... I have been fired for jobs cause they were menial and I clearly lacked the patience they could see it coming and let me go, ha. Seven also literally disobeyed Janeway dozen times, in a job application the interviewers risks their job if you hire a genius risky person and instead the system rewards interviewer hiring boring safe person..... PS. I know I am being boring, but Star Trek was about crews working together to over 50 years teach other how to operate complex Starships it was example of where the entire crew of 1000 mattered not 1 genius lieutenant somehow mattering, and people were humble and ok with this not demanding hiring/promotion/ and captain listen to them on day 1..... Ok...
@@mostlyguesses8385 wow, just all sorts of wow. GTFO of the Trek fandom if your going to bring this kind of purely misogynistic BS to the table as a reason that a character would be turned down from Starfleet. We have seen plenty of women in the captains chair and beyond in almost every era of Trek, and they all are the type to work their asses off to get to where they got. And BTW 7 is probably in better shape, stronger, and more durable than most humans let alone just women, so that sexist argument doesn't even apply to her.
Even if the writing of this show were good, which it isn't, the underlying fatal flaw is that this is a show that isn't interested in Star Trek, it's interested in psychoanalyzing the characters of Star Trek by putting them into shitty, grimy, miserable situations, so Picard can be like "this bar fight is just like when my drunk dad used to beat my mom," or "this space orphan is just like when everyone I know was killed and I became an orphan."
That can be interesting, but that's not why people watch Star Trek. Star Trek is about a humanity that has gotten its shit together. We've made it. It's a collectivist, utopian society that doesn't need to worry about all the nightmare garbage that we have to deal with today. We welcome every race, every creed, everyone is more or less equal in the eyes of everyone else (I'm aware I'm oversimplifying, but you get it), because everyone agrees that the ultimate good that we as a people can do is to spread that good to others. The conflict of OG ST comes from how that "ideal" society deals with the rest of the universe, especially when it doesn't want our "good".
This modern television approach to Star Trek doesn't really work for the thesis of the series. My wife loves, fucking LOVES, Star Trek, and she's as forgiving as can be when it comes to messy TV. She bounced off of Discovery after four episodes because it was making her miserable.
Respect on AJ's name for clarifying that this show is legit unprogressive even if it has the skin deep appearance of left-wing commentary. It's characters parroting gutless, brainless slogans and then solving their problems with indiscriminate violence. Fucking lmao at Seven saying assimilated Borg aren't people.
I'm progressive, i have sociology/history background and i hate the in your face empowerment/girl power/you know there's bad trumpists people writing.... not because those issues aren't a thing but because it's basically 2/3 of every scenes of every reboots of every franchises, it's literally occulting the story they're trying to tell and the IP is just a setting for blatant PR reasons essentially designed to target new demographic that never watched the originals and cares more about the social context than consistent, coherent good story telling
The strange part about their social criticisms is that none of them ever seem to make a point or actually say anything.
Like the ICE plot. Yeah, ICE is messed up, for sure, got it, but what the heck was that part about the guy complaining “no paper trail, no trial, nothing!”?
Like, are the writers actually suggesting they’d prefer it if undocumented migrants were detained for MONTHS if not YEARS while the U.S.’s legal system slowly worked its way to their case, at which point they’d inevitably get kicked out anyway? Or are they saying that they shouldn’t be detained at all and that you should just blindly trust that they’ll show up in nine months when you can finally schedule a trial for whether or not they get to stay in the country? Even if they were dumb enough to show up, how would you contact them to give them a date when they have no address or SS# or license or anything?
It’s like they don’t even care about the actual problems of the system and just heard that other people are mad so they’re just assuming they understand how it works so they can be an “ally”.
I totally agree: He made a great point saying that the entire audience that they were trying to sway will look at this as an example to further dig their heels into conservative beliefs, by saying this is a perfect example of how stupid the "progressive woke" movement is. And he's totally right, it does the entire thing a disservice instead of any service. This is the worst season of Star Trek I've ever seen, and I've watched this show for over 20 years.
Sorry, but this IS the progressive message. It is everywhere. It isn't just in Star Trek. It was Gillette. It was Coke. It is Disney. It is Picard. They keep echoing the same thing. If you don't think this is the progressive message, then you aren't with them and you haven't been paying attention.
I love that Joe reads our comments
AJ is obviously out there doing his thing, but this is the first time in years I've seen OJ and Alex actually, genuinely pissed off so much they can't even muster the strength to get into character for the camera. They look broken.
when OJ wants to give this a 0/10 you know you REALLY DONE FUCKED IT UP.
@@ppsarrakis This. When he showed real signs of despising this and called it an abomination. I was like :O
That's OJ we're talking about, OJ is a fluffy happy person!
You know it's going to loop back to the queen on the bridge scene from EP01 and it will be the "better-borg" (Sarcasms) queen Jurati with a "They all live happily ever after" ending following shortly after.
They keep adding the people we all knew and loved from TNG. Last season, Data, Riker, Troi. This season it's Guinan and Q, and we all get excited. Once we tune in then just use them as their little play thing. They are doing the same for S3, dangling the carrot and bringing back the old stars, again for them to use as their little play thing.
Only morons got excited from the beginning. Everyone with a brain knew this was going to suck
This is a perfect example of why the new "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" was good. All those annoying characters that you wished would just die, did and it was magnificent.
Leatherface with his chainsaw held aloft.
-Darmok and Picard
Maybe this is the plot for season three?Leatherface meets Picard and gang. If so, it might just all be worth it. They spent two seasons deliberately and meticulously making everyone hate every character only have them brutally killed and eaten by leatherface. Maybe that's the whole plan! The money shot being Raffi being skinned alive and fed piece by piece to leatherfaces decrepit old man.
Especially the last part, that came out of nowhere. Still a stupid movie with annoying characters.
It's kind of fun to hear a 0/10
Not often does Joe gets this disappointed even with video games to get a flat 0/10
Not often? It's literally never happened before. That's in the title of the video even.
His scale has no 0.
He said once on twitter that he would only give a game a 0 if the game would simply not run. Thats how bad this is and thats why we have never seen a 0 until now. This was his first 0/10 ever
@@AK-jb9pb Obviously it does now lol. AJ never once said this was a 1, though he did say it was a zero several times both indirectly AND DIRECTLY. If you seriously think AJ REALLY rates this a 1 then I want whatever type of dope you're smokin' lmao!
Edit: And even if he had said 1, WE ALL KNOW he really gave it a 0.
And we thought it could not get on the same level of bad as Space Jesus.
You guys missed the fact that all mental illness had been eliminated in the Federation back in TOS so her suicide makes no sense at all. If Borgnes Jurati is the collective now then that means most of TNG would be different, DS9 didn't even happen because the Siskos weren't at Wolf 359, and most of Voyager was different because Janeway never used them to get home. I really hate Elnor, not because he's especially bad but because the writers have tried so desperately hard to make me like him.
You are assuming that jurati changes the collective from 2025 and rewrites history. That isn't necessarily (can't be) the case. Jurati will have to let history play out before changing anything.
@@sbirchysb not sure why she would eff off to the Delta quadrant then and run the risk of her collective getting assimilated. Chances are she would just just get assimilated by the real Borg anyways.
Please, friend. Choose to live.
I hate Elnor because he's not Romulan, he's an elf. Everything about him is elven. He even has an elven name. He might as well be Elnor, son of Elrond.
@@zephyr8072 I call him Space Legolas.
Wasn't the Borg a message about technology being important and powerful but also potentially a world ending danger? Something like that? Because at the time TNG came out that was culturally extremely relevant.
Going by that, the new Borg are basically saying "Technology and humans need to intertvine with no way to seperate ever again. METAVERSE guys, right? Metaverse! Fortnite Metaverse!!!"
The Borg was more about communism.
Wait. I can see Borgs doing Fortnite dances in Season 3?? Sign me up!
@@dustinluthro3023 Federation is about utopia communism. Borg is a insectoid hive: Queen and drones
@@prastagus3 The queen wasn't introduced until later. At it's outset the borg were the ultimate expression of totalitarianism.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr Before the Borg Queen, I agree. After Borg Queen, everything changed.
The Fact that a TV Show manages to force Angry Joe Review 0/10 before any Video Game could is very Shocking considering how much gaming has to do with the channel and again I'm shocked lmao
Speechless and wonder what game will ever be 0/10 for The Angry Joe Show now 🤔
It'll be "Star Trek :Pacard" the video game
Even worse than Ride To Hell lmao
Just because it's sci-fi fantasy, doesn't mean there's a total suspension of disbelief. In my opinion, the burden upon the writer is even greater when it comes to getting the audience to believe what they're seeing. They could make all these weird silly scenes work if they set them up beforehand, which they don't and take the genre for granted.
Such a shame that the Federation of The Next Generation, with all its friendships, loyalties and high principles has been reduced to a depraved, violent, foul-mouthed, badly acted, terribly written shadow of its former self, and the main character a clueless, peripheral bit player in the whole mess.
This is what happens when ultra-capitalists take over.
WOAH! 0/10? Never thought that would happen.
Not Even Sonic Free Riders Got A Zero!
0 is still high when you can do negative ratings.
@@voltingmaster5458 U KNOW U DONE FUCKED IT UP!
@@brokengames9020 now we need a review where he gives negative rating.
*_Star Wars_* has never gotten THIS bad. I legit feel for all the *_Star Trek_* fans.
The Empire was defeated because they didn't know how to go up...
Thx for acknowledging that. I watch a lot of Star Wars Theory and his live streams (i like SW too lol). People there like to complain from time to time at how bad it is in SW fandom... but they're still in the yellow zone compared to Trek's red zone shite. So again, thx for acknowledging.
Give it some time
@@Edax_Royeaux This is so much worse than that because they've destroyed both the past and the future of Trek. In Discovery season 3, they basically blew up the Federation in the 31st century. In this season of Picard, they've done so much damage to the past, there's no way to restore the timeline. They're not just destroying Trek with bad writing, they're literally destroying Trek within the universe.
While Angry Joe didn't rate as such, TLJ is the closest it got in retrospect
Really hate its come to using the "Fair use matters" filter on everything to prevent DB companies from trying to profit off of your videos. Keep up the work guys.
All this just makes me look forward to The Orville even more.
The real Star Trek spiritual successor, by a genuine fan.
FACTS!
I like how Alex is wearing a Star Wars shirt for a Trek review out of spite.
I like how relevant your name is to what they're talking about too!
Should have been wearing an Orville shirt :)
Let this sink in - changing the nature of the borg in the past means that the borg in TNG, first contact and VOY all wont happen. Unless they do even lazier writing and get Q to correct the timeline at the end of the series, this 100% breaks the timeline. The writers are frauds. Cant wait for them to ruin the rest of the TNG cast in season 3.
Exactly my thoughts.. 0/10 is STILL to much for this.. it adds NOTHING to the franchise, but has just deleted its main antagonists... it subtracts instead of adding... -1/10!!!
This fucks up everything. It even touches Discovery's Hugh appearance. El Aurians like Guinan or Soran were never forced to leave their home. Haha this destroys everything 😳😭
No it doesn't, depending on what jurati does. Jurati will know everything that had happened has to happen again until the moment she reappears on the Stargazer
@@sbirchysb so the new Borg will ask the Auriens and all the other races that were to be Borg victims to oh so ever nicely depopulate their planets themselves , just to keep the timeline intact. Oh good plan !
@@timhicks94 no, they won't. The Borg will have to do everything they've already done as they did previously without Jurati intervening. She can only make changes at the point her ship appears and calls for Picard on the Stargazer
I'm left leaning. I love Star Trek. Everything I've seen in Discovery and Picard is not Trek. When I was a teenager in the late 90s, I assumed, from Star Trek, that an advanced people would have these decent understandings. But, everything I have seen in the past decade, has deterioated everything humanity stands for. "Fake News". "Black Lives Matter". "All Livers Matter". WTF happened to just common decency? What happened to us as a race? This, I feel, is something that will haunt our species, and no one will know (if they already don't'), for millions of years after WWIII.
Ikr. It feels is society is ripping itself apart.
As a center right aligned person. Just treat people with decency and don't force your point of view on others. This is terrible writing, even if you agree with the message it pushes, I would be more open to it even showed a secondary point of view. But no, the show message is: Its my way or the highway.
They are destroying all our franchises as well.
When someone celebrates upon hearing that there's only one episode left you know they done fucked it up
This is why they recorded season 3 alongside season 2, because they knew if they waited theres no way they would have got it approved.
If they got a season 2 I doubt season 3 would have been denied.
That's what happens to the majority of our beloved franchises now. Writers that came from nowhere with very little experience that only know how to push a message from one side of the spectrum.
I have stopped watching ANYTHING new and have instead went back in time to Columbo and other great old shows.
The great tragedy, and Joe agreed with this in one of the previous episodes, is that I agree with the philosophy that the episodes are trying to preach, but the god damn kindergarden way it tries to tell it… sheesh. There used to be metaphors when it came to story telling, likable characters, some level of consistency.
Writers that came from nowhere with very little experience that only know how to push a message from one side of the spectrum.
Kurtzman literally wrote over a dozen movies BEFORE Trek and also did writing on tv ... I get people online are dumb but what you said was completely and factually wrong - perhaps be critical without being stupid. Try it.
It's incredible how it can still get worse and worse, episode after episode... TNG was such a fantastic show and a big part of what made me who I am today. I had no expectations at all after season 1, but could not have forseen how bad it would become. I am such a fool, that I have a tiny spark of hope for Strange New Worlds, but it's unwarranted...
I'm sending strenght to all of us for the finale... and since we will watch season 3, this time I'll be prepared that it will surpass even my lowest expectations.
PS. My suggestion for the new name: "The Beurk"
TNG The Inner Light is the greatest sci fi television ever created, and could possibly be one of the greatest TELEVISION episodes ever created. It tells such a meaningful and poignant story and then carries thru with it affecting Picard throughout the rest of the entire series and beyond. Don't know if I've ever seen anything as good before or since.
YES!! I need to watch "Inner Light" and "Yesterday's Enterprise" again to clear my mental palette. "City on the Edge of Forever" is still brilliant as well.
@@Ty-er5ok The Best of Both Worlds ;)
Yeah those days are over man. Never coming back
Can anyone tell me why they have to save this timeline? Isn't this an alternative timeline that leads to the dark future? How does saving it help them get back to their own timeline and stop the borg queen killing them there?
Consume product and get excited for new product
“Wtf are you doing? Why are you questioning what is clearly an amazing and well written show. Now keep eating the slop and giving us money piggy. You as a consumer aren’t intelligent enough to grasp the near divine genius of this series you worthless peasant. You should be so lucky that we grace you with this series.” I imagine that is the general attitude of literally anyone working on this show at this point. Because no way can these people can release this tripe unless they are so far disconnected from everything that this is what they consider good.
@@Azhrei2000 In other word this storyline is an inferior version of "City On The Edge Of Forever"! 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎💩💩💩💩💩
Even the writers wouldn’t know
i can tell the 1st sentence is ironic fun,@@Azhrei2000 , but the rest, I can’t tell 🤣👍🏼
To quote Joe from his Fallout 76 news video: “It just gets worse”
Somehow this…thing keeps hitting new walls and floors of terrible
Don't you mean floors? Basements? Foundations slabs? Rock Strata?
@@draco84oz oh ya true it’s supposed to go DOWN
@@DarkKnightofAnime Its difficult to tell directions underground, which just goes to show how deep it has sunk.
Can we get a -1 next week?
@@alexinthewall5604 possibly, I wouldn’t rule it out
Why are so many beloved franchises being systematically and thoroughly decimated to the point its own fans feel it is irretreivable , and always under the spectre of some variation of social message being a factor?
California is the leakings of hell on Earth.
its the 21 century
Because California wants to force everyone to see their message, and stuffing it into every franchise is how you take away any place people can go to ignore their politics.
Maybe its because I was half asleep when I finally got around to watching this episode last night and I missed something or misheard it. I haven't seen or heard anyone mention this yet either. But Seven says she tried to join Starfleet but was denied because she was a Borg. But season 1 showed Icheb as a Starfleet officer before they murdered him for his borg parts. Seems like they can't even get this show straight with its own canon, never mind stuff from a time before some of these writers were even born probably.
And by the same logic, Picard himself would've been kicked out after the events in Best of Both Worlds so that bit of writing makes zero sense
Holy shit, you have watched it? Why would you do that? Brave
@@philldewitt8809 The pain hurts so good?
They have no idea what they are doing, pulling stories out of their asses.
One of the problems I have with this type of writing is that it vilifies anyone with a even the smallest dissenting views. I wouldn't mind progressive writers promoting their ideas, thoughts and opinions because I don't want the United States to become an echo chamber for the right nor the left, but these writers just can't seem to promote their ideas without stigmatizing anyone with even the slightest of conservative values. I hate it because conservatives and liberals in America are not enemies but every day it feels like they are constantly being pitted against each other.
Yeah agreed 100%. The worst thing is that I think I’m pretty progressive and would agree on a lot of ideas in a show if they were allegories or delivered well. I haven’t seen Picard but I guarantee I would hate it based on AJS reactions to it. And then I would be labeled as someone who disagrees with the ham fisted messages their trying to deliver. Instead of what I actually dislike which is the quality of the writing. There’s a time and place for everything so sometimes it just doesn’t fit to have a certain message in a movie or TV show. And furthermore if as a writer you’re more concerned with the message than writing engaging characters and story itself then the movie / TV show is pretty screwed in my opinion, and only appeals to people that get the message and don’t care that everything else is shite. And worst off it does nothing to help people who disagree with it see your side of the argument. In fact it probably just reinforces their beliefs instead of having them ask questions.
I’ve got some friends who have very different beliefs than me, but we can get along very well because we have way more in common than not. I think that’s something that in America today we’re missing. Regardless of political position, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, economic status etc. we all want at the very base level some very common things. And if we could learn to see that then we’d be a whole lot better off as a country and a world in general. We just get hung up on specific issues that divide us instead of seeing the bigger picture.
If anything, this just serves to further enforce the cultural wars then try and show that conservatives and liberals have a whole lot more in common then we do with the people in charge of this country or at the top. So a total disservice.
@@jmoney584 holy shit.. i figured out what the writers are doing!!!! Its actually genius.. they are intentionally sabotaging Trek so progressives AND conservatives hate it! We can strike up a conversation about the source material and wallow in our misery together. Holy shit they are actual geniuses
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One of the problems I have with this type of writing is that it vilifies anyone with a even the smallest dissenting views.
That was the whole POINT of the Star Trek format. That's why it was set in space, in the far distant future. That's why it used aliens and allegory to present ideas; To get past the polarization and defensiveness and get people to THINK about the subject. You are literally making the viewpoints INTO alien races, being presented by them, then learning to see those aliens as people, whether you agree with them or not.
This is why anytime Star Trek Time Travels to the 'modern day' it ends up being mediocre at best. It bypasses all the machinery that makes Star Trek WORK. It's either campy fluff, or it's a bunch of superior future versions of ourselves getting preachy about how much we suck (And honestly, the crew of Picard is SO flawed they can't even really do that without coming off as hypocritical). There's no distance to allow you to get a new perspective on an issue. It's just 'The Issue'.
Totally agree. Star Trek and other things were common ground where Conservatives and Progressives could enjoy together and talk afterwards. I have been watching since the Original Series. I have had enjoyed it with all kinds of people from different leanings. Now not so much because it's basically propaganda today. No subtlety. No introspection.
I'm so sorry, Joe! Take solace in the fact that I get more entertainment out of your Picard reviews than I do the actual show. I really hope CBS doesn't try to claim this video.
They made Picard a mental case from something that happened in his childhood that he should have got over either before or as a Captain on ST:TNG, not in his retirement! OMG!
The "Go Woke Go Broke" crowd isn't trying to ruin movies or representation. They are trying to spare the world of agendas poorly written to push ideals instead of just writing a good story.
Exactly! "I dont like the GWGB crowd, but... "
Joe is literally the same crowd, but whatever.
@@Leispada Joe has to say things like that no matter what side so he doesn't offend half his audience. UA-cam is rough and will try and defame you for a simple quote.
I get where he is coming from but GWGB communities are literally boycotting movies not because of LGBT, Diversity or Girl Power, but rather the need to overshadow everything else in those ideas. Moon Knight for example spent 4 episodes just glorifying his wife over himself....a superhero. Writing is what kills studios and this creating the GO WOKE GO BROKE tagline.
Remember when Star Trek wanted to do social commentary episodes and they would depict both sides of the issue with equal respect? The captain and crews decisions didn't come easy and had consequences. And the opposing argument was never outright devalued or dismissed. Those were good times.
Joe keeps calling himself a progressive and that he agrees with "the message"... Well Joe, enjoy the fruits of your twisted ideology because you reap what you sow. Maybe someday he will put 2 & 2 together and realize his "progressive" ideology is cancer and is the very thing destroying all his favorite intellectual properties.
Go woke go broke is a thing because going woke is forced on us for no reason. It is shoved in our faces look how woke we are. It's like the bad Christian evangelicals movies and shows from the 80s and 90s . Message first and only Good Content last
My dad who has poor taste in television finally said: "What a disappointment" after watching this episode.
I have friends who watch the most horrible shit and will then unironically recommend it, they said they watch this because of how bad it is and they wanna see how much worse it'll get
My dad is the same with halo 😅
Angryjoe was ready to put a 0 out of 10 on fast and furious crossroads but he didn't so this one is a exception. Finally the first 0 out of 10 ever on this channel.
Congratulations Star Trek Picard, you've reached the lowest of the low.
Watching OJ in this is great, we rarely get to see him be the main one talking about some things and being so angry about it. It was great.
I like how the response to a flash bang being thrown is “cover your eyes” not “close your eyes and cover your ears” 😭
Well, yeah. I mean what else does a "flash bang" do besides flash? You can't think of anything, can you?
Does it even matter anymore. I 100% agree with you. It's why ask why anymore about anything about new Trek.
Everyone tends to think about the flash, but nobody minds the bang.
Desperately Sad Nerd: "Ack-shoo-ully... the Universal Translators in their ears filter out and protect them from the bangs...."
Not surprising that the writers don't know how a flash bang works. I remember the opening scene of Star Trek Into Darkness, where Spock is going inside a volcano to freeze it. But the device he uses is called a "cold fusion" bomb, and I'm thinking "that's not what cold fusion means you fucking dumbasses!" 😩
I found that having the reveal of the fate of Picard's mother as being the main focus of the season to be bad and somewhat exploitive writing. The writers want to delve into serious issues like tragedy, mental illness, and trauma. But all they're doing is using trauma and mental illness as tools in their mystery box style writing. This show is less about learning to deal with trauma and grieving properly, and more about the reveal of that trauma. They spend episode after episode teasing it, like the MCU teasing the reveal of a fan favorite comic character.
And why do they insist on making the 24th century so crappy? 300 years ago, people sent to lunatic asylums were horribly abused, they were chained to beds, they were put in cells with no ventilation and extremely limited outside contact. Look at how much our methods of treating mental illness have improved since then. And Star Trek takes place 300 years from now, their ways of treating mental illness should be exponentially better than what we have. So why did Picard's mother get treated like mentally ill people from the 1700's? Is it just this one rare case with the Picard family? Then they're basically saying that the Picard family are horrible or extremely ignorant people, they would be the equivalent of religious cultists today who confine and abuse their families.
And there are just so many plot holes and nonsensical things to even name. If the Queen could use the ship's transporter, why not just beam Rene Picard into space and kill her? Starfleet not accepting Seven makes no sense since last season established that they accepted Icheb. I guess the writers forgot. If their ship can copy a person's memory and use it to create a perfect clone, why was Picard being turned into a synth such a big deal? They can just do it to anyone. Yes, I get that the ship is actually from the Confederation timeline, but there's nothing to indicate that the technology was unique to the Confederation. Picard is 90 years old, how did the mercenaries have so much trouble taking him out? How did they think Rios would be less helpful in the fight than 90 year old Picard, who can't even run? Wouldn't releasing this new Borg into the galaxy be the biggest disruption to the timeline? The Borg are around in the 21st century. A subplot in First Contact was the Borg trying to use the deflector to call the 21st century Borg to earth. What happens if 21st century Borg finds and assimilates Jurati and gets access to 24th century technology?
What happens when you have people who have never lived with trauma and mental illness, have done zero research, try to preach about it.
Goith wokith goith brokith
I would say who gives a fuck about Picard's mother? Literally no one ever. Yet it's in all the episodes.. Borg Queen, Q but nah we will write about fucking Picard's mother. Zzzzzzzz
@@rippl3r0 I wonder if the writers even know what specific mental illness Picard's mother has. Was she bipolar and having manic/depressive episodes? Was she schizophrenic and having paranoid delusions? Did she have early onset Parkinson's or even Alzheimer's, causing hallucinations and memory loss? Did she suffer physical damage to her brain that wasn't treated in time and left permanent psychological effects? Did she have a made up sci-fi disease?
She has symptoms that could be caused by many different kinds of mental illness. Good writers would find specific illnesses and research them so they can be accurately portrayed. Bad writers would just throw a bunch of "crazy" tropes in and make it a nondescript generic "mental illness."
@@diane6378 Star Trek was built from the ground up to be Woke, you're gonna need more substantial critique of this particular show's flaws.
I could tell that the complete bastardization of a progressive message really weighed on Joe. This kind of parasitic writing is the poster child for the “go woke, go broke” crowd, and it couldn’t have hit a worse series than Star Trek.
I know many conservatives that LOVE Star Trek. The progressive themes don’t tend to bother them because Old Trek handled its subjects with respect and maturity, and a good episode could explore a philosophical issue in such a novel way that anyone of any political background could take something away from it.
Imagine those viewers seeing the preachy, childish, one-dimensional mess that Star Trek has become.
As a conservative (British conservative but nonetheless conservative) I remember first watching Trek with Enterprise and loving that series. Then watching DS9 and TNG I loved those series as well (DS9 especially), and I admired the optimistic, adventurous style of the Trek series’. I didn’t feel insulted or feel the need to roll my eyes at some things. Hell there was one point when I actually wanted a global government Star Trek style. Now? Fuck that. It’s all about ICE and stupid shit like that
Picard writing is more liberal than progressive IMO. The warped "go woke" messaging that doesnt require any thought and doesnt accomplish anything blended with mindless violence has been a red flag...
"progressives" are uninformed anti science ideologocial people claiming things should be solved the way they think they should he solved. Their opinions are based on feelings not facts, emotion not science.
They want "renewable energy", that will require trillions of none renewable batteries to be strip mined.
They think every country should have open borders, just because, of you dissagree youre a racist.
Men can be women based on feelings. Humans can have two spirits...
Its all ideological nonsense.
Sorry if this hurts your feelings but youve bought into a terrible ideology.
Get over it. Everything these people do fails because of the structure of the ideology itself. Its like a child saying why are there homeless people, just take rich peoples money and buy houses for all the homeless. Its naive, ots onherently one dimension because its not based in reality. Its based on doing things only because they feel like the "right" thing.
@@jamiengo2343 AMEN!!!!!🖖👍
Hell, I find myself to support a good amount of left leaning ideas, amd even I think what these guys are doing to Star Trek is absolutely trash.
I'm not against including political messages, but you have to actually DO something interesting and profound with them instead of cookie cutter bullshit like this.