Hi David, I've been enjoying your channel and appreciated today's discussion with your Gen Z guest about the importance of communication skills in our AI-driven era. As a latecomer to technology, completing the Oxford AI Program last year opened my eyes to the possibilities of prompt engineering and data analytics, even without coding skills. I'm fascinated by the intersection of technology and human skills. As a Gen X Lean Sigma expert, I value working with tech-savvy younger generations to teach them about social skills and organizational change. Your insights are inspiring, and I'm excited to further my AI expertise and apply these skills effectively. I look forward to more enlightening content on your channel, especially the philosophical discussions about post-labor economics.
Something I’ve seen as a manager, line pilot, an instructor. Employees often cannot see the big picture just like managers cannot see the fine-tunes details. Furthermore the priorities of everyone involved are often misaligned. I would draw a chart with 3 mountains and explain how if you were standing on a school mountaintop you cannot see into the valley 2 mountains over and vice versa. That’s why the new people and people low in the totem pole have to communicate and management has a duty to their employees to share as much information as possible. The decisions you make should make sense to the lowest person in the organization if possible. Most companies don’t do that, but in safety sensitive applications, it’s critical because leadership cannot set policy if they don’t know what’s going on and workers will ignore that policy if it’s stupid. Anyway, Anna, be cautious with what you say though, many companies do not operate with this sort of mindset. Many companies are vindictive
This was a great video 😊. I feel like 2 people collaborating on ideas helps to expand out imagination. It was fun to explore some ideas outside of my usual thinking
"The most valuable skills are going to be interpersonal, face to face, making and maintaining professional relationships." As a 99th percentile introvert? I'd literally rather dig ditches 12 hours a day than have that be any significant part of my life. I have no Fs to give for the repulsively phoney relationships that saturate corporate culture. They are violence at the level of the soul.
My eldest is 15 2E. I no longer have any idea how to guide him. The go to was always get him to University where he will find his people, now I am not so sure. It doesn’t help that public education is doing little to prepare students for an evolving future.
@@smartfreelancer-dp2qd I agree, the key is to gently guide and not impose. Or else you end up like me where I rebelled from my parents and then it took me another decade to realize they were generally correct 😂. Personal finance is incredibly important for them to learn but a weakness for me so I try to show them my mistakes and explain what would have been better choices, and why. I am a weird mom who likes to help my kids experience things and learn to think and create more than I am traditional cook and clean maternal mom. Because my boys also love creative and artistic stuff not just straight up tech we have started weekend projects where we together learn but we have individual projects using new tools (some Ai some traditional like Adobe CC). For example this month they learned animating in Fresco, and created short films in Studio LTX. This weekend we are creating music videos because they can critically think about the best workflow using the range of tools and skills they have learned for a short project.
Interesting to hear Anna, at the start of her career,describing herself as a polymath. Having worked in the similar as her for over two decades I have noticed a definite narrowing of job roles and job adverts down to very specific knowledge and experience requirements. Maybe the move to online recruitment, maybe increasing job complexity or lack of internal development and training.
There needs to be new jobs of those non-domain specific experts to properly answer questions from these LLMs that can train off real workers, obviously this should be paid premium to human workers.
I work in customer service taking calls. I expect the tech to replace me will exist "long" before i actually lose my job (if it doesnt already) It just seems like in an unexpected way: politics and policy will be the brake on advancement as opposed to technolgical limitations... Whats weird to me is how we only talk about replacing coders or laborers when both seem to have way more obstacles to overcome than something like my position (security / consistency, and infrastructure / hardware respectively) But taking calls? OpenAI could outperform every agent on all phones worldwide by the end of the year... Its not that im so worried about my job, on the contrary: i COULDNT be more stoked about what comes next! Its just strange its not talked about how fast CS jobs will go... I predict fasyer than most of the ones people are actually discussing...
I think that the type of CS that goes way is the one that just bridges the comms from customers. That could've already been gone for years now but new tools will make this frictionless. On the other hand, CS positions where there's more of an after-sales position or maybe some technical aspect (e.g. gathering feedback and teaching, collecting requirements, providing reports, etc.) will most likely still remain.
If you study adoption curves, most tech advancements have been possible long before they integrate mostly due to entrenched ideologies, not reasonable logic. Residential high speed internet had been widely adopted enough by 2008 to allow most admin work to be done from home. Consider how little has changed about those factors when the pandemic hit and execs were pretending productivity hadn't increased and flagged for return to office as soon as they realized it exposed their inherent uselessness.
valid perspective friend, and i admittedly know little about much lol But with what i imagine are very rare exceptions: everything from the steps needed to be taken, to education, to date collection in the sphere of CS always follow specific predetermined guidelines... GPT4 has proven itself capable to reason through all but the MOST obtuse customer issues, and being on the groundfloor i can tell you it would be better at this than most of my peers... Myself included
Yeah, this is a big part of my argument. All jobs being taken by ai are going to be downplayed and hidden from the public. This way, jobs can slowly disappear without people getting freaked out, and they will not even notice ai replacement until it's too late 😂
Employees learning AI is the best method to teach their replacements, plus gaining needed skills post-labor. Everyone, baseline AI training, full stop. CEOs shouldn't cut staff without integration first. 🙏
I could be wrong, but can't you download these models offline and run them? I don't understand why IT gets so concerned? They should be learning how to build these offline. Shows lack of knowledge and ill drive to succeed
yeah here from brasil, we are like super behind it, i worked in qa on it, and the owner was like an american boomer, they should have invested in ai tools for management because ohhh boy its horrible
I really enjoyed this format and the discussion as a whole but I am a little interested in the adrenal fatigue/burnout point that was raised re-perplexity in that many authoritative sources including Mayo Clinic, Harvard Medical School, and the Endocrine Society as well as a couple of meta studies seem to reach the conclusion that it's not a real disease. The main points raised being that there's no sound evidence that stress impacts the function of the adrenal glands, nor that it can cause long term damage to their cortisol production, and that the symptoms are better explained by depression, sleep apnea, or fibromyalgia. On the other hand, Adrenal Insufficiency or Addison's disease, where infections like Tuberculosis or suddenly stopping taking certain steroids cause damage to your adrenal glands, and which can result in the same symptoms of chronic fatigue, muscle weakness, loss of appetite, nausea, joint pain, craving salty food, etc... are accepted diagnoses. It seems there's just a lack of sound evidence that stress alone can have the same effect, so I might side with Perplexity on this one.
Imagine having a digital twin that not only mirrors your personality but also upholds your privacy, autonomy and rights, while minimizing violent interactions, providing cognitive support, and empowering you to thrive in the digital age. ie a new interface to the digital world. This should be the default goal of all of these "future" AI product like rabbit or limitless and even so far as all digital input goes first to an AI to be placed in a RAG then submitted to "public" as "licensed content" which could be revoked at any time by you. I should have the right to be represented by a "bot" and that "bot" should fall under the same guide lines of protection as other privileged communication include attorney-client, doctor-patient, priest-parishioner, two spouses, and (in some states) reporter-source. If harm-or the threat of harm-to people is involved, the privileged communication protection disappears.
yessssss. she did it 50% of the time and it reminded me of the video meme of it. i will always listen to info, from anyone and of any type but inflections are a terrible and annoying teenage bad habit
Given your background in automation coupled with the tools you are using/building: Have you yet gleaned any interesting insights from your growing wealth of YT analytics data? You already see subtle things like the preponderance of discussions in one geographical region relative to others, but have you built something (or asked Claude lol) to analyse your YT data for... whatever? lol i dont even know what you could find in there, but the growing amount of realtime factual data you are builfing might share secrets... If so share them with me too! lol Just the silly stuff... Like people in Brazil use words with fewer vowels between the hours of blah blah... I dunno... you just seem like the type to have noticed something interesting. ..
But your comment VERBATIM describes my existence right now btw... I know a lot and CARE much more... Im meant for more... I can do SO much more... These tools ARE so much more... Im just trying to figure out what i need to do next...
Regarding the point about tools like perplexity and others being the new way to access information in today's world, an important thing to remember is they still all rely on the internet for their source material. I'd be interested in hearing a discussion on what the world looks like, what the internet looks like in a world where people are no longer going to websites for their information and there's no longer an incentive such as ad revenue for people to maintain those sources of information. This is something I really don't see being discussed, what does the internet or our access to information in the future look like considering AI tools Generally speaking rely on the internet for their source material?
5:46 I agree. Learning how to learn and meeting others to learn from (not just instructors). I would be in my own intellectual bubble if I didn’t go to university. That being said university isn’t the only path to achieving that. I dream of salons of the past where we can all come together ( in person) discuss the big ideas without imposed hierarchy of academia.
Thrilled to have you on board, Anna! Your journey from the library to the forefront of AI in technology is truly inspiring. With your distinctive blend of expertise, you're poised to add incredible depth to our conversations about AI's transformative impact on business. Eager to dive into your experiences and gain your valuable perspectives on tackling misinformation and mastering AI applications early in your career, demonstrating that success in tech relies on skill and insight, not appearances. Here's to a series of truly enlightening episodes ahead!
Anna, thank you for joining with David. It was truly good to hear. Two beautiful minds trying to distill the past the present and the future in the new AI world coming.🤖🌎 "I'll stop the world and melt with you. You've seen the difference, and it's getting better all the time. There's nothing you and I won't do..." It was about Anna's second or third word when modern english kicked in, in my head. The perplexity of it all. Those tools that we've built in our own minds. I kept trying to distill an image of her from her words in my own mind. For some reason my broken brain kicked out modern english, not even on my playlist. Perhaps it was just the vibe I got from the conversation you two we're having. If you were both tools I'd keep you both in the top drawer. I know it's a podcast but is it possible to have a video podcast? At least for this UA-cam channel? Not sure if that violates some code for broadcasting on other channels. It's just my brain. I try to read those faces. It was like a chinese puzzle box without any pictures. Potentially thousands of words in just one image. Those things you see when you watch someone speak. Even if they are sitting still saying no words a thousand things can be seen... Regardless it was still a beautiful thing. Thank you both.✌️🤟🖖
@@propeacemindfortress Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful reply! My background is in data science, but I work in cybersecurity. I was surprised to learn that reasoning from first principles is a skill librarians excel at, whereas I struggle to imagine an engineer or software engineer doing their job without it. I'd expect a tech company to already have an abundance of people with these kinds of skills who come from a technical background. I guess, sometimes, the required skills come from the most unexpected places. Her professional transition is remarkable, indeed.
Just had the time to listen to this. Quite cool discussion; nice to hear the experience from someone outside (or coming to) tech; also Brazil mentioned 🟩🟨 fun fact: being a terminally online citizen, I've listened to this while mowing the lawn with a noise-cancelling headphones, praised be tech
www.youtube.com/@annajournal Here's Anna's channel
Welcome to the team Anna!
Pretty sure it's his wife, he's mentioned numerous times that she's a librarian turned tech. Pretty cool!
Hi David, I've been enjoying your channel and appreciated today's discussion with your Gen Z guest about the importance of communication skills in our AI-driven era. As a latecomer to technology, completing the Oxford AI Program last year opened my eyes to the possibilities of prompt engineering and data analytics, even without coding skills. I'm fascinated by the intersection of technology and human skills. As a Gen X Lean Sigma expert, I value working with tech-savvy younger generations to teach them about social skills and organizational change. Your insights are inspiring, and I'm excited to further my AI expertise and apply these skills effectively. I look forward to more enlightening content on your channel, especially the philosophical discussions about post-labor economics.
Something I’ve seen as a manager, line pilot, an instructor. Employees often cannot see the big picture just like managers cannot see the fine-tunes details.
Furthermore the priorities of everyone involved are often misaligned. I would draw a chart with 3 mountains and explain how if you were standing on a school mountaintop you cannot see into the valley 2 mountains over and vice versa. That’s why the new people and people low in the totem pole have to communicate and management has a duty to their employees to share as much information as possible. The decisions you make should make sense to the lowest person in the organization if possible.
Most companies don’t do that, but in safety sensitive applications, it’s critical because leadership cannot set policy if they don’t know what’s going on and workers will ignore that policy if it’s stupid.
Anyway, Anna, be cautious with what you say though, many companies do not operate with this sort of mindset. Many companies are vindictive
This was a great video 😊. I feel like 2 people collaborating on ideas helps to expand out imagination. It was fun to explore some ideas outside of my usual thinking
"The most valuable skills are going to be interpersonal, face to face, making and maintaining professional relationships."
As a 99th percentile introvert? I'd literally rather dig ditches 12 hours a day than have that be any significant part of my life.
I have no Fs to give for the repulsively phoney relationships that saturate corporate culture. They are violence at the level of the soul.
the pen is mightier
My eldest is 15 2E. I no longer have any idea how to guide him. The go to was always get him to University where he will find his people, now I am not so sure. It doesn’t help that public education is doing little to prepare students for an evolving future.
lead him to learn personal finance and technology simultaneously and in my opinion guide him to become a computer / Ai specialist or an economist.
@@smartfreelancer-dp2qd I agree, the key is to gently guide and not impose. Or else you end up like me where I rebelled from my parents and then it took me another decade to realize they were generally correct 😂.
Personal finance is incredibly important for them to learn but a weakness for me so I try to show them my mistakes and explain what would have been better choices, and why.
I am a weird mom who likes to help my kids experience things and learn to think and create more than I am traditional cook and clean maternal mom. Because my boys also love creative and artistic stuff not just straight up tech we have started weekend projects where we together learn but we have individual projects using new tools (some Ai some traditional like Adobe CC).
For example this month they learned animating in Fresco, and created short films in Studio LTX. This weekend we are creating music videos because they can critically think about the best workflow using the range of tools and skills they have learned for a short project.
Interesting to hear Anna, at the start of her career,describing herself as a polymath. Having worked in the similar as her for over two decades I have noticed a definite narrowing of job roles and job adverts down to very specific knowledge and experience requirements. Maybe the move to online recruitment, maybe increasing job complexity or lack of internal development and training.
There needs to be new jobs of those non-domain specific experts to properly answer questions from these LLMs that can train off real workers, obviously this should be paid premium to human workers.
I work in customer service taking calls. I expect the tech to replace me will exist "long" before i actually lose my job (if it doesnt already)
It just seems like in an unexpected way: politics and policy will be the brake on advancement as opposed to technolgical limitations...
Whats weird to me is how we only talk about replacing coders or laborers when both seem to have way more obstacles to overcome than something like my position (security / consistency, and infrastructure / hardware respectively)
But taking calls? OpenAI could outperform every agent on all phones worldwide by the end of the year...
Its not that im so worried about my job, on the contrary: i COULDNT be more stoked about what comes next!
Its just strange its not talked about how fast CS jobs will go...
I predict fasyer than most of the ones people are actually discussing...
I think that the type of CS that goes way is the one that just bridges the comms from customers. That could've already been gone for years now but new tools will make this frictionless.
On the other hand, CS positions where there's more of an after-sales position or maybe some technical aspect (e.g. gathering feedback and teaching, collecting requirements, providing reports, etc.) will most likely still remain.
If you study adoption curves, most tech advancements have been possible long before they integrate mostly due to entrenched ideologies, not reasonable logic.
Residential high speed internet had been widely adopted enough by 2008 to allow most admin work to be done from home. Consider how little has changed about those factors when the pandemic hit and execs were pretending productivity hadn't increased and flagged for return to office as soon as they realized it exposed their inherent uselessness.
valid perspective friend, and i admittedly know little about much lol
But with what i imagine are very rare exceptions: everything from the steps needed to be taken, to education, to date collection in the sphere of CS always follow specific predetermined guidelines...
GPT4 has proven itself capable to reason through all but the MOST obtuse customer issues, and being on the groundfloor i can tell you it would be better at this than most of my peers...
Myself included
Yeah, this is a big part of my argument. All jobs being taken by ai are going to be downplayed and hidden from the public. This way, jobs can slowly disappear without people getting freaked out, and they will not even notice ai replacement until it's too late 😂
Employees learning AI is the best method to teach their replacements, plus gaining needed skills post-labor. Everyone, baseline AI training, full stop. CEOs shouldn't cut staff without integration first. 🙏
Liked that format, thanks
Huge welcome to Anna!!!!!!!!!
I could be wrong, but can't you download these models offline and run them? I don't understand why IT gets so concerned? They should be learning how to build these offline. Shows lack of knowledge and ill drive to succeed
yeah here from brasil, we are like super behind it, i worked in qa on it, and the owner was like an american boomer, they should have invested in ai tools for management because ohhh boy its horrible
I really enjoyed this format and the discussion as a whole but I am a little interested in the adrenal fatigue/burnout point that was raised re-perplexity in that many authoritative sources including Mayo Clinic, Harvard Medical School, and the Endocrine Society as well as a couple of meta studies seem to reach the conclusion that it's not a real disease. The main points raised being that there's no sound evidence that stress impacts the function of the adrenal glands, nor that it can cause long term damage to their cortisol production, and that the symptoms are better explained by depression, sleep apnea, or fibromyalgia. On the other hand, Adrenal Insufficiency or Addison's disease, where infections like Tuberculosis or suddenly stopping taking certain steroids cause damage to your adrenal glands, and which can result in the same symptoms of chronic fatigue, muscle weakness, loss of appetite, nausea, joint pain, craving salty food, etc... are accepted diagnoses. It seems there's just a lack of sound evidence that stress alone can have the same effect, so I might side with Perplexity on this one.
You're missing the point. Burnout is recognized as an HPA axis disorder. Same thing.
You should have time stamps
Imagine having a digital twin that not only mirrors your personality but also upholds your privacy, autonomy and rights, while minimizing violent interactions, providing cognitive support, and empowering you to thrive in the digital age. ie a new interface to the digital world.
This should be the default goal of all of these "future" AI product like rabbit or limitless and even so far as all digital input goes first to an AI to be placed in a RAG then submitted to "public" as "licensed content" which could be revoked at any time by you.
I should have the right to be represented by a "bot" and that "bot" should fall under the same guide lines of protection as other privileged communication include attorney-client, doctor-patient, priest-parishioner, two spouses, and (in some states) reporter-source. If harm-or the threat of harm-to people is involved, the privileged communication protection disappears.
Welcome, Anna! A note - when you speak in vocal fry, it is really unpleasant for people like me with misophonia. Again, welcome! :)
yessssss. she did it 50% of the time and it reminded me of the video meme of it. i will always listen to info, from anyone and of any type but inflections are a terrible and annoying teenage bad habit
@@joelalain I had to turn the video off in spite of the good information because I just couldn't take it any longer.
Poughkeepsie.....93...
This interview was kinda meh, not really discovering anything new
This interview would be okay for someone new to AI and business but not the typical Shapiro listener
cant listen to vocal fry.... too distracting
Given your background in automation coupled with the tools you are using/building:
Have you yet gleaned any interesting insights from your growing wealth of YT analytics data?
You already see subtle things like the preponderance of discussions in one geographical region relative to others, but have you built something (or asked Claude lol) to analyse your YT data for... whatever?
lol i dont even know what you could find in there, but the growing amount of realtime factual data you are builfing might share secrets...
If so share them with me too! lol
Just the silly stuff... Like people in Brazil use words with fewer vowels between the hours of blah blah...
I dunno... you just seem like the type to have noticed something interesting. ..
I'm trying to figure what I need to do next.
@@DaveShap keep me in the loop my friend, ill be around... ;)
But your comment VERBATIM describes my existence right now btw...
I know a lot and CARE much more...
Im meant for more...
I can do SO much more...
These tools ARE so much more...
Im just trying to figure out what i need to do next...
i think the fact that most people are already consuming mostly ai content is just the nw normal that they dont realized
Good one. Would like more on this topic - specific skills to build in this era.
Taste, lateral thinking, and getting ais to do what you want
('prompt engineering' is only an applicable term insofar as that's all that it is)
I wonder what an AI would be like, that is the most consistant Christian.
Interesting and warm conversation
Regarding the point about tools like perplexity and others being the new way to access information in today's world, an important thing to remember is they still all rely on the internet for their source material.
I'd be interested in hearing a discussion on what the world looks like, what the internet looks like in a world where people are no longer going to websites for their information and there's no longer an incentive such as ad revenue for people to maintain those sources of information.
This is something I really don't see being discussed, what does the internet or our access to information in the future look like considering AI tools Generally speaking rely on the internet for their source material?
Fellow MLIS! (SU ‘22). Had my “oh shit” moment when I started playing around with GPT-2. Took an NLP course and never looked back.
5:46 I agree. Learning how to learn and meeting others to learn from (not just instructors). I would be in my own intellectual bubble if I didn’t go to university. That being said university isn’t the only path to achieving that. I dream of salons of the past where we can all come together ( in person) discuss the big ideas without imposed hierarchy of academia.
Two beautiful minds trying to distill the past the present and the future in the new AI world to come.🤖🌎
✌️🤟🖖
Thrilled to have you on board, Anna! Your journey from the library to the forefront of AI in technology is truly inspiring. With your distinctive blend of expertise, you're poised to add incredible depth to our conversations about AI's transformative impact on business. Eager to dive into your experiences and gain your valuable perspectives on tackling misinformation and mastering AI applications early in your career, demonstrating that success in tech relies on skill and insight, not appearances. Here's to a series of truly enlightening episodes ahead!
@@malindrome9055 No kidding 🤣
@malindrome9055, thank you for your message! I'm here to help, so please feel free to reach out anytime. You are very welcome, human!!!
49:42 would like this reference.
ironically, I think librarians will not be automated anytime soon
"Boomers are Bots!????" hey...I've been called a lot of things but no way do I resemble a bot...a barrel maybe but not a bot.
Really, anyone who says something someone doesn't like is a boomer these days😄
Anna, thank you for joining with David. It was truly good to hear.
Two beautiful minds trying to distill the past the present and the future in the new AI world coming.🤖🌎
"I'll stop the world and melt with you. You've seen the difference, and it's getting better all the time. There's nothing you and I won't do..."
It was about Anna's second or third word when modern english kicked in, in my head. The perplexity of it all. Those tools that we've built in our own minds. I kept trying to distill an image of her from her words in my own mind. For some reason my broken brain kicked out modern english, not even on my playlist. Perhaps it was just the vibe I got from the conversation you two we're having. If you were both tools I'd keep you both in the top drawer.
I know it's a podcast but is it possible to have a video podcast? At least for this UA-cam channel? Not sure if that violates some code for broadcasting on other channels. It's just my brain. I try to read those faces. It was like a chinese puzzle box without any pictures. Potentially thousands of words in just one image. Those things you see when you watch someone speak. Even if they are sitting still saying no words a thousand things can be seen... Regardless it was still a beautiful thing. Thank you both.✌️🤟🖖
I don't understand what qualifications she has to work at a tech company after coming from a librarian position.
@@propeacemindfortress
Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful reply!
My background is in data science, but I work in cybersecurity. I was surprised to learn that reasoning from first principles is a skill librarians excel at, whereas I struggle to imagine an engineer or software engineer doing their job without it. I'd expect a tech company to already have an abundance of people with these kinds of skills who come from a technical background. I guess, sometimes, the required skills come from the most unexpected places. Her professional transition is remarkable, indeed.
Just had the time to listen to this. Quite cool discussion; nice to hear the experience from someone outside (or coming to) tech; also Brazil mentioned 🟩🟨
fun fact: being a terminally online citizen, I've listened to this while mowing the lawn with a noise-cancelling headphones, praised be tech
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