How Chibnall Killed Doctor Who (2019)
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- In this video, I look back at Series 11, and the mistakes new showrunner Chris Chibnall made when creating it.
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Davros couldn't kill the Doctor but Chibnall did.
How do you know Chibnall isn't Davros' puppet?
@@billmurray7676 No, no he's got a point!
That's like a bullet to my head... It's true that it hurts
Chibnall got a reality bomb that actually works properly he got a warranty on it
Chibnal had no respect for the show,
but lets all not forget Whittaker:
Her Tweets and all show that she shits
on 50 Years of Doctor Who;
just like Chipnel very literally tries to do.
She literally just landed the Role because
Chibnal said 'I want her and no other', which is dumb
enough - but this 'beneath all other Actors'-Situation
gave her 'Above all other Actors'-Pride.
Her Tweets show that she disrespects
the entire, entire Franchise,
just because the lack of Diversity.
Dont get me wrong: There WAS a lack of that,
tbh. But still: Whittaker is on an Egotrip.
It’s ironic how Sarah Jane Adventures, a SPIN OFF for CHILDREN, is genuinely engaging compared to what Chibnall shat out for series 11 and 12
Facts
Love ur profile pic btw
@@user-gn5gb9pn1n cheers mate 😂
Also, Elisabeth Sladen had a lot more charisma than Jodie.
@@SammEater wrong Elizabeth Sladen had charisma. Jodie doesn’t have any.
My canon is that when she fell out of the TARDIS in Twice Upon a Time, the fall actually mattered and she died on impact.
Chibbnalluh had no respect for the show,
but lets all not forget Whittaker:
Her Tweets and all show that she shits
on 50 Years of Doctor Who;
just like Chipnel very literally tries to do.
She literally just landed the Role because
Chibnal said 'I want her and no other', which is dumb
enough - but this 'beneath all other Actors'-Situation
gave her 'Above all other Actors'-Pride.
Her Tweets show that she disrespects
the entire, entire Franchise,
just because the lack of Diversity.
Dont get me wrong: There WAS a lack of that,
tbh. But still: Whittaker is on an Egotrip.
Beautiful. I absolutely agree
@@slevinchannel7589 Lack of diversity?
I assume you mean in Classic Who, as I would say since RTD brought it back it has been rather diverse, but now they are taking it too far where they seem to have EVERY race and colour under the sun.
Atleast with Mickey and Martha, they were more than just their ethnicity snd were interesting, well rounded and likeable characters. These days though it just seems like ticking the checkboxes.
You deffo get the feeling that they are over compensating for the past, to the extent that it comes across as FORCED and UNNATURAL.
Diversity is good and all as long as it is done right and with purpose, and that purpose is only for the sake of diversity then it fails to be compelling or interesting which is partly why Chinballs era just doesn't work.
They fell into an alternate timeline and we followed that crap for I don't know how long, retract it all and burn the scripts
@@slevinchannel7589 Can you name a few things she said that would enrage the fanbase? I've never read her tweets.
4:28 I wish Chibnall forgot about "The Timeless Child." It just blew canon to shreds.
No, it should’ve been the master. It would’ve added so much more depth to their character, but no, Chibnall had to throw it all away and ruin the Doctor. Ugh
TPWDS I think it’s fixable if another showrunner comes on relatively soon. I know that’s unlikely but I feel like there has to be a way to overturn the numerous inexcusable changes that Chibnal had made. All it’ll take is a few retcons and a new, more escapism based take on the show and it could be back in no time. But, this is the BBC so all that is probably only a dream.
U are very right, the timeless child arc was utter rubbish. Chibnall is trying to explain why time lords regenerate and the origin...we dont want to know that! One of the most interesting things about the doctor is the lack of knowledge we know about his/her race. But i guess chibnall was running out of ideas.
Also, isnt the doctor special enough? I mean the doctor is the sworn enemy of the dalek and the cybermen, which are some of the most dangerous species in the universe.
The doctor is also the person who one the time war! He/She is special enough as it is. Now shes basically the chosen one...utter rubbish.
I still dream what jodie whittaker's doctor could have been if moffat or davis were on the reigns.
I never thought I would say this, but I don’t accept it as canon
The phrase, "four minutes to Tokyo" was as big of a canon break as any.
Can we all just admit that Russel T. Davies and Steven Moffat should be working together for all of Doctor Who.
Good idea !... It was the case between 2005 and 2009, if you remember well... Coz, who did create the 'Captain' Jack Harkness character ? Moffat, already; in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances (the best episodes of series one...) And as two great fans, I'm sure that both of them did their best for the show, with RTD at the helmet of course... A cooperation of them two would be brilliant !! But do they want to ? Maybe they have others dreams or projects in mind...
Not Moffat keep him as far away from the show as you can
JustSomeRandomGuy Online yet he is light years better than Chibnall
Quiet Demon no he isn’t.
JustSomeRandomGuy Online if you believe he is a better writer you are fucking delusional compare all of the scripts that Chibnall has written in series 11 to the Moffat scripts between 2005 and 2008 and there’s no debate from the empty child two parter, the library and of course Blink there’s no debate buddy
The show is currently lacking in a major factor, fun.
Seamus O'Neill No, it’s plenty fun for me. That’s just your opinion. Not a fact.
Nick Candy What else would a comment about an entertainment product on a UA-cam video be if not an opinion?
If you enjoyed it, that's fine, you enjoy it, that's your opinion, and it's okay for you to have it. My opinion is that it was a forgettable, uninteresting and creatively dull borefest, which for me is a huge shame because the show used to be something I looked forward to and enjoyed watching.
The Nightmare, The Doctor and Pre Series 11 Fans: ua-cam.com/video/96ks4kx_t1I/v-deo.html
I liked it and it was never truely bad. There where some episodes or episodes with fun parts. And graham. Yeah it was certainly not a masterpiece but it was decent enough. I like that they stopped making contrieving storylines that make zero sense.
How was the chance that chibnall would be a genius that flawlessy can save dr who from moffats run and his hardcore fans? Slim. Its still decent enough.
If dr who is dead its because moffats flaws in showrunning.
@@mikehunt3842 Entertainment lives and dies on opinion, not facts.
"Everyone had confidence in him" No, the moment he was announced I had major concerns.
Makros the Black: Seconded.
Same i saw what episodes he had done already and immediately knew Doctor Who was at its downfall
Makros the Black Yes his episodes were garbage when he was just a writer. Where as Moffats were epic.
Yeah, I looked back and saw that his episodes were my least favorite and I was like "Oh no..."
Makros the Black glad I’m not the only I was worried as soon he was announce hate his episode but try to have hope that maybe he will have a different point of view as a show runner
The "13 is a sociopath" observation has been supported by the most recent season, e.g., the scene where Graham confides in her his fears of his cancer coming back and she completely blows him off.
Yeah. Shouldn't she have said, "I've got a Time Machine that can go anywhere in the Universe. If it comes back I know a place and time where Cancer has been cured. Don't worry. We'll take care of it."
Doctor Who fans then:
Eww Mofat!
Fans now:
Mofat come back!
Where did the Mofat hate even start? I just remember his name on most of my favorite episodes
No. T Davies was better
@Mirko Floris true dat
@@fngoodmusic78 The problem people had (and still have) is that Moffat is a great writer and truly deserves to be writing for big shows such as Doctor Who and Sherlock, but he shouldn't be running them. I love the episodes he's written, but he just didn't do a very good job at showrunning. Chibnall seems to have looked at Moffat and gone in the complete opposite direction, and it's worse.
I never cared for what Moffat did to the show and the character. I only just about liked Davies's contribution, though I loved SJA.
“I don’t believe in aliens” - Graham episode one
Literally a few years earlier: Daleks: *takes over planet*
Amy didn't remember the Daleks taking over either, I think it was erased by the cracks in time.
@@raydarable That's true, but since we know the Saxon!Master wasn't erased from the timeline (Death in Heaven, World Enough and Time) that, by extension, means that the Slitheen, the Racnoss, and the Sycorax all still exist in this timeline.
Although to be fair to Graham, what he said was that they don't get aliens in Sheffield.
concon09090 We don’t know what exactly was erased by the cracks in time. It’s mainly just a way to give the writers more freedom in deciding who knows what.
@@raydarable Well, he was disguised in Doctor Falls because he was worried Bill would recognise him, and Saxon explicitly references those events in The Sound of Drums.
@@concon09090 True, it's a continuity error.
Flower Productions on 15th Feb: "Chris Chibnall has killed Doctor Who."
Chris Chibnall on 1st of March: "Hold my beer..."
Can we just take a moment to appreciate just how good Season 11 was? At least, compared to Season 12. I just can't wait until Season 13 rolls around and makes Season 12 seem like an absolute masterpiece by comparison.
@@rodh1404 I don't know, I mean completely ruining the canon of Doctor Who at the end of Series 12 will be pretty hard to beat in terms of 'killing Doctor Who', I can't imagine what would be worst in Series 13, but then I thought Series 11 was bad enough, so who knows?
@@rodh1404 I disagree, even tho it ruined canon for no reason and it has no impact on anything for the future I still get more enjoyment watching series 12 over series 11 cause at least there are classic monsters and a story arc (even if the story arc was god awful)
@@detectivebaghead5567 Yeah, I would agree that there were better episodes in Series 12, I just meant in terms of 'killing Doctor Who'.
@@BenBernardSmith you two are absolutely right!!!
Does anyone miss the parts when the doctor got really dark and you'd be terrified of him yet have adrenalin coursing through your veins at the same time? I know I do
Tenth Doctor era.
last time a doctor's speech can end a war
now she speaks for the sake of speaking
That scene with 12 and Ashildr is one of those great moments
"THE DOCTOR IS NO LONGER HERE, YOU ARE STUCK WITH ME!"
Capaldi is dreaming this, let him wake up, the joke isn't funny anymore ;w;
those bedcrabs are getting out of hand.
Dreamcrabs must have brought something from Yoda it's not normal to have a dream like that
@@prakharsrivastava4951 THERE'S a character I wish they'd have delved into deeper. Totally missed opportunity.
Perhaps Season 11 was a bizarre nightmare of a parallel reality from which the Doctor awakens and we never speak of it again...
One can hope.
Fingers crossed! 🤞
The regeneration was too strenuous and the real thirteen is in a coma in a London hospital, dreaming about being a bland woman with a horrendous TARDIS design
I am hoping they pull a Dallas and we find out the Doctor was trapped in a time stasis at the moment of regeneration by the Rani. And what we saw were two series of the Rani trying to be the Doctor.
Good enough for me
I got my 13 year old son into doctor who, he watched all of the revival series, from Rose to the end of series 10 until he started watching Jodie and the planks, and said it was boring now. He summed it up perfectly 😞
Honestly, I started watching from 13s first episode and enjoyed myself for the most part, but when I went back and watched the rest of the revival, when series 12 came about, I couldn’t be bothered to watch it. Great work, Chibby!
Jodie and the Planks! That should be the name of a rock band.
@@MaskedMan66 a very shitty rock band
@@MaskedMan66 I always preferred the Gallifrey Academy Hot Five!
@@Lior353 Naw, a multi-platinum band more popular than the Beatles.
It was my favourite show, and now I can't bring myself to watch another minute. Thanks Chibnall.
...same it's actually quite sad to see this happening to doctor who
Good news though, Chibnall's leaving and RTD's coming back. Maybe you can try another episode after RTD's return.
@@laisensei6984 for real?
@@s0i711 Yep, been confirmed for quite some time now.
Can we just have Capaldi’s Dr. wake up from a nightmare and then regenerate again?
Please! That's probably the only way that it would save the series for me.
Sign my petition to de-canonise Series 11 and fire Chibnall: chng.it/p9MqnCn4k9
But he must have the disco hair from series 10!
But I didn’t hate Jodie. I hated the stories and the utter lack of development for the 13th doctor. If given the right material I feel like Jodie would have been so much better.
Yes, preferably before all that drivel about the First Doctor being oh-so-sexist.
I stopped watching before season 11 aired, but scrapping U.N.I.T. for a BREXIT joke? I take that as proof that Chibnall has no love, or respect, for the show and its 50+ years of history.
Divergent TARDIS plus how dose the United Nation have anything to do with brexit nothing we levering the European Union not the United Nation
It wasn't for a brexit joke though? It was to justify why he isn't going to bring them back. This is a dumb complaint.
The Nightmare, The Doctor and Pre Series 11 Fans: ua-cam.com/video/96ks4kx_t1I/v-deo.html
The thing is that the only country in the world who's financial contributions to a UN agency are substantial enough to cripple UNIT is the United States, which basically bankrolls most of the UN. It's incredibly easy to lump us in with a Brexit joke because of our wonderful president while actually giving a rational explanation for why UNIT isn't really a thing anymore. Without the US and UK they've had to basically use their remaining resources to relocate the Black Archive and everyone who's left is basically holed up at it's new location guarding it.
Like it's really easy to just temporarily write UNIT out of the plot for a few seasons while we do the whole fresh new start thing.
I had a laugh at the Brexit joke, but as soon as the joke was finished, I knew the episode was going to age horribly because of it.
rtd: good emotional moments
moffat: good characters
chibnall: n
...-word is really bad and racism is too. Also, we should save the world by not using plastic and putting it in the ocean, and polluting the world. Also also, poetry is very good and writers should be respected!!
OnyxOwl70 but chibnall is a terrible writer and has ruined the show
@@_leeevi yeah I know lol that's the point of the joke.
@XAndroid1 it still tries to make political statements and teach life lessons the wrong way
@@onyxowl70 You ain't gonna get the attention on this reply that it deserves, so I'm gonna step out here like a cringy dude and say that that very much made me laugh.
I agree to everything you said. I am a 69 year old woman who has loved Dr Who since the beginning but with Jodie’s Dr I didn’t understand half of what was going on. I don’t think it was Jodie’s fault but fault of the writers and director. Hoping for better things to come when Russel T Davies is back.
"The Sarah Jane Adventures" was more like classic DW than "Doctor Who" was at that time.
Even that's better than whatever doctor who has become.
@@Malcolm589 What do you mean "even that?" "The Sarah Jane Adventures" was a top-notch sci-fi series.
MaskedMan66 I know
It was written by Russell. Obviously it would be!
@NotSoRadical YT Well, that's the funny thing: his DW was less DW than his SJA was.
I grew up with doctor who. When everyone had Narnia, Harry Potter etc, I had the Doctor and It makes me sad that my favorite show is being killed😞
I find I'm bloody furious with Chibbedit. I have spent the last three years studying writing. Structure, character, tropes and suspense techniques. Even joke writing. I wish Chibbedit had. The man went to university but is absolutely clueless about the basics
Chibnal had no respect for the show,
but lets all not forget Whittaker:
Her Tweets and all show that she shits
on 50 Years of Doctor Who;
just like Chipnel very literally tries to do.
She literally just landed the Role because
Chibnal said 'I want her and no other', which is dumb
enough - but this 'beneath all other Actors'-Situation
gave her 'Above all other Actors'-Pride.
Her Tweets show that she disrespects
the entire, entire Franchise,
just because the lack of Diversity.
Dont get me wrong: There WAS a lack of that,
tbh. But still: Whittaker is on an Egotrip.
New plot:
The doctor dies as the 13th only to wake up inside a hidden room within the TARDIS.
He is in a new regeneration and doesn't know who or where he is. He escapes the room and makes his way to the main console and leaves the TARDIS. The TARDIS dematerialises and leave something behind.
He passed out on the beach and is taken in by an old David Tennant, the 10th. (Rose is already dead)
The 14th has no idea who he is and 10th explains that he had entered a time fissure causing a parrellel event.
He has to work with the 10th to build a event stabilizer to get back to the TARDIS, all without knowing who the 10th is until the very end.
Me too
It’s so sad
@@slevinchannel7589 bad thing is that if they wanted a diversity..a female doctor, Jo Martin would've been fantastic for the whole season instead of the one moment they gave us. Unlike Whit, Jo actually has that presence The Doctors all have.
American here, I actually saw the Paul Mcgann Doctor as my first Doctor and I really liked it. I was young and didn't know it was a series. I remember thinking later because my grandmother recorded it. She was a scifi fan. I thought "why don't they make another one of these, this guy seemed cool. It took me years to realize that I had so much to watch. As a late fan I'm kind of sad I didn't get to see old WHO, as well as got to see, the end of WHO. I'm sorry for older and new fans.
honestly, it feels less like chibnall doesn't know what he's doing and more like he's purposefully sabotaging the show
Chibnall seems like an idiot, but he knows exactly what he is doing. He wants to drive away the original fanbase - even tho it means a huge financial hit for the series upfront (what does he care, after all, it isn’t HIS money) Then try to replace them with gullible types he can easily indoctrinate into the extreme left identity politics ideology.
And he’s not alone, the decision makers at Star Wars, Star Trek, and alas, after holding out for so long, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, are all on the same page with him. We have to face the fact that entertainment is becoming more, and more politicized. But we can still vote with our $.
What if Chibnal is the Master?
Vulcan Peace He’s Missy. 😆
@Ueyla He hasn't. His biggest success was Broadchurch, and that was overrated shit.
'The Timeless Child' is the biggest mistake in any SF franchise, ever.
Chibnall destroyed Doctor Who. Nuff said.
Let's hope RTD can cleverly retcon it somehow
@@marmalade627
Pretty sure he said he’s against retconning that kind of stuff.
@@marmalade627he ruined it furthur.
Smith had an epic entrance - "i'm the Doctor, basically run"
And at the end I have just noticed this video is one year old but everything you say is so spot on even a year later.
Smith's entrance was crashing into Amelia Pond 's garden and eating fish custard. That line's Christopher Ecclestone's
@@AndrewHalliwell he just means Smith’s last line to the alien invaders in his debut episode - not his literal first line. Ecclestons first line was just ‘run’
Tbh though:
There WAS a lack of Diversity in this show.
4:14 Oh he didn't forget the Timeless child reference... wish he had
we can all agree that graham was the best part of the new series. i never like wittaker's doctor or chibnals writing. even some of the guest writers even did better than him
Wasn't Graham the only man on the show? So of course fans will like him, they're used to tuning into a show about a MAN. For 50 years, Doctor Who has been about a HERO, not about the antics of some women - that's a totally different type of show. Star Wars and Ghostbusters did the exact same thing: they took a beloved franchise that's all about heroic MEN, and replaced the characters with women. Not only is it ridiculous, but it's a total insult to the fans.
@@Scripture-Man what you're saying sounds like you didn't even attempt to watch series 11, or you completely ignored the fact that there was another male companion, Ryan.....
@@Scripture-Man That isn't what this is about. Reign yourself in big guy.
@@Scripture-Man Shut the fuck up, boomer
@@Scripture-Man Or maybe, and hear me out, Graham was the only character within Series 11 to have an actual Character arc other than Ryan who shared a similar foil, the death of a loved one. Meanwhile we have a Doctor who's far more apathetic than even Capaldi's was for his first season, and a character who's only initial goal was to reach further into the Police force (what happened to that character arc?)
They need to put Doctor who on hiatus. Too much damage done by Chips and Whitaker.
Nah, they just need to bring in someone who knows how to write entertaining stories. So basically, anyone but Chibbedit
Chips? I prefer Chinballs
They need to redo the last two seasons, give Whitaker a writer who can play to her strengths
@@thesparduck117 I appreciate your sentiment, they've just lost folks like me who used to spend a chunk of money on Who merch and really enjoyed the show. I've moved on and suspect alot of others have as well.
@@winstonw2020 I’m probably going to give up if 14th doctor sucks
My Dad said when Twice Upon a Time ended, "They killed Doctor Who". I was angry at the time but now I see how right he was..
Ironically, in my personal perspective, Twice Upon A Time is one of the greatest episodes to ever air... (Classic Who included)
- Illy, GEEKETEERS
Nah, saying that at the ending of the episode is just sexist. It was the bad writing that made the show decline and he couldn't have known about that.
@@ThePhantomLK Chibnall has written before, it was a fair analysis.
@@daphnejyothi4795 When Twice Upon a Time ended, not Chibnall was revealed, but Whitaker.
What got me was that the better Doctors tend to be less than enamoured with the change or at the very least weirded out. Whitaker was like, "I'm a woman now, brilliant!" You know which other Doctor was that egotistical when he first regenerated? Colin Baker.
The only way this could become worse now is if chibnall revealed through a story that the doctors name is actually Jeff or something.
DON'T GIVE HIM IDEAS!!
he did something much worse
I honestly don't know anyone who had confidence in Chris Chibnall becoming showruiner.
His past record on Doctor Who and Torchwood was abysmal.
I mean, he wrote some of the best episodes of Torchwood. He also wrote some of the worst, but much more infrequently.
Torchwood worked as drama, mostly, and had barrowman.
When Chibnall was first announced, I wrote a comment in a forum about how ridiculous I thought the decision was, since Chibnall wrote the worst Doctor Who episodes ever. I pointed out that his success with Broadchurch was completely irrelevant, and predicted that the show would become mediocre and suffer a massive drop in ratings. When I said this, I was shot down and told I was being "childish" and "overdramatic" and I was basically treated like an idiot. So I feel quite vindicated by the fan reaction to the latest series. :-)
I have not watched 'Doctor Whoman' since the regeneration, and won't be watching again. The Doctor is a MALE character and always has been.
I was hoping he'd bring some of his Broadchurch influence into the mix and have some kind of ongoing arc. Nope.
Are those episodes any worst than The Tripe Moffat wrote? At least Chibnall didn’t write The Girl In The Fireplace
Lmao. "whittaker is completely incapable of playing the doctor."
Best line this year
Truest line this year. 👍🏻
still the truest line in 2020
: I wager any decent actor could play the Doctor *if* - very, very if - their Doctor was fashioned in a way complementery to the actor *and* that persona mapped out well and then written well. I, for one, bet she could play the Doctor but screwed up badly with the persona and has been gravely disserved by Chinball and the other writers on the show. Oh, and too many freakin’ companions.
The most disgusting aspect of all this is Chibnall's maliciousness in his efforts to dismantle the entire mythology of Doctor Who. These are sinister people with obvious self-loathing as well. It's a shame there's no legal recourse against intentional destruction of IPs, but every single fan in the UK should refuse to pay the BBC license fee in protest.
you should do that already with what the bbc did in the past with supporting jimmy saville
I have no intention of watching any further Doctor Who until Chibnall/Whittaker are gone.
I watched all the episodes since I was little in the tennant era up to the end of capaldi era and I haven’t watched a single episode since he regenerated
I agree with you. Im not watching it anymore. Those 2 killed the show and yes i never but never liked the idea of turning the doctor into a woman to me the doctor is and should always be a man not a woman.
I’ve been watching since Tom baker. Soon as I heard the doctor was a woman I was done. You don’t take an iconic character and use and ruin it with sjw bullshit. Want a female time lord creat one don’t destroy the original
My dad's been watching the show ever since the very first serial in 1963, and series 12 was the first series he's avoided cos he disliked series 11 that much lol When I told him about the Timeless Child arc, he agreed that it's stupid.
I just watched Eccleston and Tennant and a bit of Smith
The biggest problem for me was how there was no real conflict within Whittaker's Doctor, unlike the others in the New Who series.
Eccleston was fresh off the Time War, the impact of his decision had not quite sunken in yet. Over the course of the season, I think he began to realise that he wasn't fully in the right, and by the end, he could not repeat what he had done in the Time War with the Delta Wave.
Tennant lived with constant regret over what he had done, and in constant fear of himself and what he was capable of doing. the Family of Blood arc saw him disguise himself as human, "being kind" to the Family (as Son of Mine put it). He realised that being alone was not an option, and sought companionship in order to prevent himself relapsing back into the man he was.
Smith was "the man who forgets", as the Moment had put it. He wanted to run all the time, run away from who he was and run away from where he was going. But as his time went on, he realised that he could not run forever, and that he could not put off the inevitable.
Capaldi was a Doctor who had come to accept what he had done, and made all that pain a part of himself. His speech in The Zygon Inversion is a perfect example of the kind of Doctor that Capaldi is. He doubted whether or not he was a good man, and tried to ensure that the pain he felt would never be inflicted upon anyone else.
And as for Whittaker...nothing. No inner conflict, no engaging character arc, nothing. She is a female Doctor for the sake of having a female Doctor, a character so bland, not even the Daleks (who I like to believe bring the best out of the Doctor) could save her.
Theory: The BBC hates Doctor Who and has been trying to kill off for years.
It's more than theory. Michael Grade, Controller of BBC in the 80's did his best to do that.
@@craigslater2321 It nearly went in 1970.
Nah don't buy that, it's a
good money earner for
BBC , sorry guys you are
both wrong😒😒😒😒
If they wanted to kill it off they’d stop it being made. They have that power and they did it before.
Even despite the poor reception of Collin Baker and Paul McGann, no one ever went around claiming they were not the doctor like people have done with Jodie Whittaker.
The Timeless Children - This is where Chibnall killed Doctor Who!
@MetaPlanet True, this is where the "Ruth Doctor" nonsense started but you can also make a case for Orphan 55, the worst story ever made in Doctor Who!
Never thought I'd say this, but I actually miss Moffat.
Like hell i actually miss the bad episodes not even just the good ones.
moffat was brilliant mate. his plots were fiendishly clever-consider the river song plot. or the episode in the alien quarantine facility with amy. moffat was the master plot maker while davies gave us the most emotionally heart renching episodes-rose and the doctors separation. ive rewatched doctor who all the way through from eccleston's onwards, 3 times in the past year, and eccleston's was the weakest series writing wise, but you can forgive that because davies was just starting out. we need moffat and davies back-co writing it, then it will be so brilliant. please boycott doctor who with me, and all fans until we get doctor who back, sack chibnell replace whittaker, and lets get back to a doctor who with historical continuity continuing where peter capaldi left off its like they are deliberately fucking doctor who fans over, no christmas special for first time and no doctor who is 2019, first time since reboot with no doctor who. they say its because of the demands of production. what a joke, davies and russel's doctor who had immense production requirements, and they managed just fine to do a doctor who every year. this is just like the star trek situation with the rebooted films, where they've set it in the kelvin timeline, so that it has no continuity with star trek generation at all. i will be watching the previous seriess until they've gotten rid of this shit duo.
He may not have been perfect, but he is what we need right now.
Same
Well, I don't see any good DH episodes without Moffat name on it.
This latest "Doctor" was no more and no less a failed "spin off" attempt at introducing a Time Lady to our screens. She had nothing to do with the Doctor we grew up with. In time, with a good sci-fi writer, a good actor to play the 13th Doctor and the BBC finally getting their act together, we'll have things back as they should be. Whereas Elisabeth Sladen suceeded immeasureably with her spin off, Jodi Whittaker failed miserably with hers.
agree. also if they wanted to strenght female presence they could have just made a spin off based on the fates of Clara and Me(ashildr) and their adventures in the dinner place tardis
Little did anyone know that this was only a fraction of Chibnall's power of awful writing
Oh you sweet summer child *laughs and cries in "The Timeless Children"*
Russle T.Davies (2005 - 2010) Doctors 9 & 10
Good at setting up plot points but bad at ending them and oftening relaying too much on Deus Ex Machina
Steven Moffet (2011 - 2017) Doctors 11, War Doctor & 12
Great at developing characters but has a tendncy to overcomplicate the plot and throw curve balls creating plot holes
Chris Chibnall (2018 - Present) Doctor 13
Lazy writer and doesn't care about the fans, was he auditioning to write and direct the a future Star Wars trilogy?
Good points. 👍 Also RTD introduced too many soap opera elements - was he a fan of Dimensions in Time? Moffat was just all over the place. And Chinballs is basically cut from the same cloth as Ruin Johnson & Krazy Kathleen. 😣 On the whole Classic Who rules. ✌️😎
... man, Moffat worked on the show a long time. Like, he show ran it for 8-ish years. And he worked on Sherlock.
And he wrote at least one story for every previous series.
So more like a 12 year relationship that was on and off again.
If anything, Moffat was guilty of overworking himself, which led to less good writing.
He still did a crap ton of good work though.
@@alexhenderson1312 No Big Finish Rules as taken Classic Doctors and developed their companions more than the tv series ever did yet still producing top notch stories in the spirit of the classic series
@Benjamin Davis In the case of Doctor Who, him writing more didn't make him less lazy. Churning out a higher quantity of lower quality is just as lazy as making a lower quantity.
@@garypayne4284 That is true - Big Finish has helped the Whoniverse expand in a variety of ways - but Classic Who was the template. 👍 Basically, Doctor Who should not have been axed in 1989.☹️ However, like the blogger Burrunjor, I regard New Who as an alternate timeline/reality like the Kelvin Timeline in Star Trek.
Time to bring out the old classic Who DVDs for 2019
Shit yeah!
MAn I was at a CON this weekend met 5 and 6. Great guys. Also saddest thing was a guy dressed as the Brigidair and no one noticed him except for me :(
YES. If you want fun untarnished with PC BS, Classic Who always delivers.
Maybe if we are real lucky they will find the remaining 9 episodes of The Daleks Master Plan. Now there is some REAL DOCTOR WHO for you. Or any Pertwee or Baker will do.
DVD and Blu-Ray - at least we have those. Hopefully BBC will release more on these formats. Then Doctor Who is not the same anymore
Series 11 really isn’t going to age well.
The original intent behind the educational stuff was a fictional show that highlighted historical events accurately... that is to say, to depict a non-biased view of the events surrounding said time period... that is to say, the events would be the back drop to the actual story, not the focus of the story themselves.
I would like to see Paul mcgann as the doctor too.
I would like to see you grow up and understand that this will never happen.
Wow Paul....dont be such a dick
Boy do I have some news for you....
He has come back as the doctor in audios. It would be really awesome to see him come back in specials once in awhile as the eighth doctor, while the BBC straighten stuff out in between series. However, to have Paul McGann come back as the doctor again as the 13th, 14th, or even the 15th doctor unfortunately could never happen.
I want Paul McGann to have his well deserved TV series!
Words can't express just how dire Whittaker's portrayal of The Doctor is.
it was quite simply----- dire-rhea !!!
You're the first person I've seen who shares my feelings about Paul McGann. He's a great doctor and deserves his own series!
As someone who's recently been listening through the Big Finish audio dramas with McGann, I wholeheartedly agree. He's been absolutely terrific.
I think people are coming round to him now. And there are rumors he's returning in some way.
This is more relevant after the Timeless Child reveal because 🤬
Tbh though:
There WAS a lack of Diversity in this show.
Series 12 reveal... the 13th doctor was an imposter all along!
Please
She's the Valeyard or Rani.
The real replacement could be a black man
Ryan Miller my choice for the next doctor would be Daniel Kaluuya from Get Out and Black Panther
@@quietdemon8138 Or have Shaq as the real 13th doctor!
Your mouth to God's ears.
Who was excited about Chibnall? Maybe I was in different communities online to you at the time, but all I remember from that period was a range of reactions beyond 'We haven't seen it yet, it might not be that bad' and 'Chibnall wrote bad episodes, this is gonna hurt'
Personally I remember Chibnall mostly for his episodes during the Moffatt periode, because they always stood out.
Chibnall didn't adhere to the Doctor Who lore and it made his episodes always stand out as "weird" and "not fitting."
Dr. Who has always been portrayed as a vastly superior being with an enormous knowledge and experience. And that fitted, because as a Timelord he was thousands of years old and therefore had accumulated all that knowledge and experience over that very long time. Chibnall's episodes however had the Doctor run around just as clueless as his companions, only to have a kind of "aha" moment in the end, when he whipped out his Sonic Screwdriver, switch it on and waved it at the problem, instantly solving it. In normal or non-Chibnall episodes the Doctor looked for leads, remembered things from his earlier incarnations and/or vast Timelord knowledge, explained the problem and the solution and then fixed it. The Sonic Screwdriver in "normal" episodes was only a tool to open doors, fix equipment etc. But with Chibnall it wasn't the Doctor who solved the problems, it was the Sonic Screwdriver, acting as a kind of magical wand.
And Chibnall kept this approach when he became the show runner. Another problem was that already in the Peter Capaldi era of the Doctor, BBC influence pushed the series really hard towards PC and Ultra-Feminism, with the Doctor cringing when some alien said something that wasn't PC (enough) or could be considered offending to someone looking for something to be offended about. The show already began to loose me there, it simply didn't feel like Dr. Who anymore. Gone was the superior Timelord who had a soft spot for Earth and its inhabitants, only to be replaced by an insecure old man who went out of his way to become more and more PC/Ultra-Feminist.
When Chibnall announced that HIS Doctor would not only be female but HAD to be Jodie Whittaker and that his scripts would focus on a much more PC/Ultra-Feminist Doctor, it told me this new era wasn't going to return to the series roots, but instead it would keep continuing on the path the BBC had chosen. But I was still willing to give Chibnall/Whittaker a chance, so I watched a few episodes, thinking that with every new show runner it took some time to hit their stride and this would be the same.
But things only got worse. Not only did Chibnall's scripts make even less sense than before, there was no "red-line" and it felt like each episode was a completely stand-alone "one off" story with absolutely nothing to do with the main series. Dr. Who had been turned into the old Twilight Zone series, where it's a series only in name, because no episode has any reference any other episode.
And it got worse still, because the PC/Ultra-Feminism was enhanced to the point that the Doctor became a sort of PC/Ultra-Feminism spouting Oracle, running cluelessly around the Universe with PC correct companions, which for me killed of the last bit of leniency I was willing to give Chibnall/Whittaker.
Dr. Who got shunted to a side-track by the BBC during the Capaldi era and suffered for it with steadily declining numbers. For fans of the series it was clear Dr. Who was on a dead end track, running merrily towards the end-stop where it would crash and burn. Under Chibnall there was not only no course correction, but the throttle was cranked open even more, like they didn't care they were running into disaster and actually wanted an even larger crash. Or maybe they thought they could just blast through the end-stop and somehow that would miraculously teleport them into a new realm, where the Chibnall/Whittaker Dr. Who somehow would be a success?
MyAbridged I was excited and now.......not so much
I was not excited by Chibnall’s hiring - I knew Dr Who was going to die the minute he was hired. I was proved right the minute he put his second choice am dram level protege in place.
Exactly. He was the writer I least wanted to be showrunner... although I did fail to predict how bad it was going to be. "The guest writers will still be good", I thought. In that I was partially right; the guest writers were better than Chibnall, but none of them were outstandingly good, because what I hadn't predicted was that Chibnall would use NONE of the established Who writers at all! I always had the impression he was arogant but I hadn't anticipated that he would be so arrogant as to turn his back on the entire established team.
If they decide to do a season 13, which I'm seriously hoping they decide not to at this point, the showrunner they choose will have such a huge mess to clean up created by Chibnall and Whittaker. I have no idea how this person is going to be able to clean it up ,if it all.
If you think Rosa was good go and compare it to Vincent and the doctor that’s how a history episode should be done
Rosa was so cringe .. the simpering SJW ideology is the root of the problem
@@umwha Doctor Who has always been SJW you fool, it was produced by a woman in the 1960s. It's the writing that sucks not the ideology.
Rosa could've been such a good premise for an episode. But instead we were told to believe that some guy from the 51st century making Rosa parks miss the bus would somehow derail civil rights for black people for the next 3,600 years. Total bullshit.
@@J_C_CH I know right. Rosa Parkes is not that historically significant. There's also the ridiculous idea that the racial categories of black and white will still exist in 3600 years. According to Critical race theory, anti-black white supremacy exeeds time and space and is an eternal religious reality apparently.
@melty Supporting faux Amazon is leftism? Maybe liberal, but not leftism
And after this past weekend, the murdering of the franchise is complete.
Chibnal had no respect for the show,
but lets all not forget Whittaker:
Her Tweets and all show that she shits
on 50 Years of Doctor Who;
just like Chipnel very literally tries to do.
She literally just landed the Role because
Chibnal said 'I want her and no other', which is dumb
enough - but this 'beneath all other Actors'-Situation
gave her 'Above all other Actors'-Pride.
Her Tweets show that she disrespects
the entire, entire Franchise,
just because the lack of Diversity.
Can we just get Paul McGann to return please...
Big Finish exists. There's more McGann than I can shake a stick at.
As much as I love his Big Finish audio episodes I loved his performance in “Night of the Doctor” mini episode and wanted to see more!
@@TheShadowless maybe someday they'll have him do specials or something.
Yes on: 'Paul McGann,' coming back! And... isn't: 'Jodie Whittaker,' in the: 'Titan Comics?'
Does she actually have a personality, in that one?
Actually a lot of people were very wary of Chibnall taking over. He hadn't written a decent Who episode... and still hasn't. He wrote the worst two episodes of Life on Mars. Broadchurch was seriously overrated. He is arguably a better showrunner than writer, which is probably why the BBC trusted him with the series. Then again the BBC is dreadful these days anyway. Personally I would have preferred Toby Whithouse or Neil Gaiman taking over from Moffat. Agree on the Paul McGann series idea.
The thing is, the quality of a writer and a writer's ability to be a competent show runner are two VERY different and unrelated things. Case in point: Moffat. I remember when Moffat was announced as RTD's successor - EVERYONE, myself included, were stoked because of episodes like Blink, Girl In The MIrror and the Empty Child two-parter. It seemed like the most logical thing. For Matt's first series, it was - fantastic series. But, it didn't take long after that for the quality of writing to diminish and for the smugness to exude.
Moral of the story? While I am not a fan of Chinball's writing, it did nothing to prepare me for his success or failure as a showrunner. Yes, he dropped the ball VERY early in his tenure - but it's unrelated to his ability to write. It's more to do with his overall understanding and connection to the subject matter vs. knowing what the fanbase loves best about the beloved franchise.
Moffat wrote some of the worst episodes before he took over Blink and The Girl In The Fireplace being the worst
Broadchurch wasn’t overrated but I agree with everything else
I actually liked Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. But that's it. Everything else he's written just annoys me. It boggles the mind that they chose him to run the show.
Moffat and Davies both wrote some pretty bad episodes. But they wrote some fantastic ones too. Even the bad ones usually had some redeeming bits.
I had that idea! I left it in comments all over the place! Although, my reasoning for it, was just to keep fans distracted, until we reach the Epic 60th anniversary special. I have it all planned out! We'll have Susan, Ian, The Valyard, and a Classic Doctors Vs New Doctors fight, with Paul McGann breaking it up! ( I'm hoping the solo series, will have fans familiar with him, by then!)
Oh dear lord how I do miss the good old days when I looked forward to watching an episode of Doctor Who :(
Wen a Dr who fan starts suggesting other time machine related shows to watch instead of Dr who u know it's bad times
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like this towards the new Dr who...
To be fair Timeless is a fantastic show.
Very casual Who fan here (I actually find myself enjoying the old stuff more than some of the new) and I have to agree, giving Paul McGann some more opportunities to be the Doctor would be awesome.
He had brilliant Audio Stories, but one way to put him back on screen would be another featuring in a special. He just had some special features (like being the first Doctor having strong romantic interaction with an earthly woman, only as one example) that would make him a good teamer with himself in another incarnation.
I hate all of nuwho. I watch it but classic is the good shit
Honestly it just doesn't feel like doctor who
fuzzy True
Yep it more like a crappy spin off
My personal opinion of why is because chibnal doesn't seem to understand why doctor who was good .
It was never cause it was SciFi and futuristic.
It was the humanity and brilliance of the Doctor's character his relationship with the companions
Doctor "Who do you think you are? I want to talk to the manager!"
The funny thing is that Moffat seems to have really liked super complicated story lines and really _really_ weird romance plots. But the thing he excelled at was the thing he rarely did, that being simple and contained stories about freaky, scary ideas taken to their logical and horrific extremes. He was really good at making iconic and *terrifying* monsters.
Tom Baker is in his 80s and still one of the funniest men on earth. He could do the part easily and be great. Paul McGann was great in that TV pilot which is not nearly as bad as its reputation and has been brilliantly playing the doctor in audio shows for years. Either would be great.
'Come on, Graham.'
I haven't watched Series 11 past the first episode, so I genuinely laughed when I saw that clip. It's ridiculous that anyone could see her as The Doctor...
DigitalVanquish The Nightmare, The Doctor and Pre Series 11 Fans: ua-cam.com/video/96ks4kx_t1I/v-deo.html
I must be ridiculous then :D
steady on mate. jodie's excellent, she's just really been given a bad hand here.. it's a shame really :(
@@helloitsmrcat
No. Capaldi was excellent and given a bad hand. I haven't seen anything of Jodie that indicates the same. Although I'll watch any clips that you think show otherwise.
nemy Many actors playing the Doctor have been given bad scripts to work with and they still manage to make great work out of it. Smith, Tennant, Capaldi, Eccleston... all managed to make even the dullest writing interesting with their takes. Whittaker? Sorry but no what a mess.
There'll only ever be one "female" Doctor for me, because she was fun for the few minutes she existed. Even if she isn't canon.
"I've got etheric beam locators!"
Female doctor is a PC skit
Can you imagine her and Peter Capaldi arguing?
Donna
Loved Dr/Donna!
@Rick Forrest The OP is talking about Joanna Lumley, who was one of many people who played the Doctor (the others being Rowan Atkinson, Richard E. Grant, Jim Broadbent, and Hugh Grant) in a comedy skit called "Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death."
1st Doctor Reaction: Dear, dear, dear, dear, dear.... how very disturbing!!
the single line that hopefully cures this show - "I know these teeth."
one more lifetime wont kill anyone, well except me. he was talking about the doctor not just his face :p
i don't think doctor who is dead tho, i just think chipnall should not be the main writer
It's not completely dead, but it's got some pretty shallow breaths! We're losing it!
I just hope that with the next showrunner and actor, most of what is done now will be completely ignored.
Just like the Doctor being half human (and lots of other things) got ignored.
Yeah. Like, not necessarilly: 'And then Peter Capaldi woke up, and it was all a dream.' Just, let's move on to the next era, and pretend this never happened?
@@carealoo744 The SJW's would be standing in line "REEEEEE"-ing their lungs out.
Besides, the BBC really only is going forward with this whole "inclusiveness"-thing, that more and more excludes straight white men. Ignoring the current season would be going a step back with this, unless the next Doctor would be a disabled black lesbian and she picks up where Capaldi left off since it's not ONLY the forced inclusiveness that sucks nowadays; it's also the bad acting and weak writing.
@@MarcelNL in what way would you like The Doctor to be racist?
Jodi Whittaker's Doctor will become as the War Doctor initially did, something that needs to be wiped or hidden from memory...
David Beverly the war doctor had a perfectly good reason for that
David Beverly but I agree
@@Budd1234
And you don't think Jodie has?
Her performance is surely a crime against humanity.
😜😂😂😂
War doctor was nicer.
Harry Boode John Hurt was amazing....
Quantum leap did everything this series of Dr Woke is trying do, but so much better.
I remember the episode were Sam was a sailor (I think haha) and had married a Japanese woman after the war and brought her back to America. And she and he, were ostracised because of it but his family eventually came to recognise her good nature. It was a terrific episode.
When some of the best script writers of the last 10 series either openly talk about not wanting to write for Doctor Who anymore or find themselves in a state of permanent "scheduling conflict" you realise how much of a fiasco this has become and how people are not wanting to be associated with it. Russel T. David, Steven Moffat, Mark Gatiss, Simon Nye, Neil Gayman, Sarah Dolland, Jamie Mathieson..... and so on and so forth.
Spot on sir. I’ve been cut adrift by Doctor Who over this last year and began doubting my sanity that the show, THE show I’ve loved my whole life and helped shape me as the man I am and want to be has been ripped from my circle of enjoyment. There was no joy in series 11, no wonder and no excitement. A lack of credible villains and constant lecturing really made me want to rip my eyes out. I now have no hope that this show will recover in the near future, series 12 is in production and I do not believe that Chibnall will learn from anything, there hasn’t been enough time for him to reflect on the damage he has done. And another thing, how, after one year - in fact long before one year can he and the production team be so badly out of ideas that they couldn’t come up with a Christmas special? I fear for the future of the greatest show in the galaxy
Sign my petition to de-canonise Series 11 and fire Chibnall: chng.it/p9MqnCn4k9
Exactly! When you said there is no joy in series 11, I couldn’t agree more! When I started watching the show a few years ago (it wasn’t available in Brazil before that), what got me hooked up was the joy. I won’t be watching any more new episodes until Chibnal and Whitacker leave the show.
@@helendeandrade3461 Muito bem falado, minha filha !... Eu sei que no Brasil, é dificíl, mais se puder se procure as primeiras temporadas do show, até a decima !... Na internet, deve ser fácil, se você tem. Se não; quem sabe, talvez depois de um tempo o Doctor volta melhor de que nunca ?! Um abraço. PS : Seu englês é muito bom mesmo ! Parabens !...
@@philippebernard4577Obrigada pela dica. Felizmente eu tenho acesso a Amazon e posso assistir Doctor Who por lá. Prefiro assistir em inglês mesmo. Eu assisti desde a primeira temporada após o relançamento da série, passando por todas, e embora eu tenha notado uma queda na qualidade das histórias no final da época do Matt Smith como o Doctor e ficando ainda pior depois (uma pena, pois o Peter Capaldi é um ótimo ator), Chibnal foi quem realmente destruiu a série. Espero que essa fase SJW termine logo!
On the female doctor thing, I'm split between the two sides.
I see nothing wrong with the doctor being female.
What I don't like is that they specifically went for a female doctor, instead of just making it open to everyone.
A pertinent question to add to your brilliant observations Alan; 'WHY' they went for a female Doctor?
But they've specifically gone for male Doctors in the past? What's the issue of doing it the other way around?
The writings been poor for the most part. But if they were going for a female doctor they got the wrong actress from Broadchurch. It should have been Olivia Coleman without question.
There's nothing wrong with having a female lead but here's it's just done so poorly. Gender doesn't matter in creating a good character. Each doctor was memorable for their own reasons and personality but this doctor really has nothing going for her except the fact that she's female and therefore polarising. It's just a stupid discussion at this point.
@@jmartin1885 probably just to get attention.
They can pander to the left, and anger The right.
Both get them more views, but they messed up the writing.
Excellent commentary! Me and 'her indoors' have been Who fans since it started back in '63 and I can honestly say that, although we watched all of the last season, it was the first time that we have ever done so with a sense of resignation rather than anticipation. One always hopes and prays that it could only get better as time went by but, thus far, it bloody well hasn't.
Anyway, thank you for expressing so many of the things that we feel have sent the best Sci-Fi series ever on a downward spiral and for placing the blame squarely on Mr. Chibnall's shoulders.
I don't hold out much hope for the next season but, with another sigh, I guess we'll watch it *just in case* we get a little of the magic back.
Regards to all the Dr. Who fans out there!
Shutting down Unit
is literally a PLOT HOLE.
It drove me crazy.
This was why the last 3 star wars movies fell flat for me. They ignored the old fans and it backfired. I don't blame the actors, I blame the writing.
I am woman, I hated the new Dr. What tripe.
Ditto, I was rooting for Jodie and I was bitterly disappointed.
I am a woman and I hate bad writing!
@@enorth7301 I find it also sexist to women, suggesting women can't create their own iconic charicter, so they have to take over what men have created.
I absolutely loved the idea of the doctor being a woman. I too was rooting for Jodie, but as soon as I heard the writing, I hung my head in shame and just buried it in the sand... Waiting for the season to be over.
@@AmyWarriorPrincess it would help if the charicter was a woman, but he isn't so she was miss cast.
My flatmate says that Chibnall writes for the fans he wished he had rather than the ones the show has.
Bring back Tom Baker, that’s what I say 😂
Any way I’m back to watch The Masque of Mandragora...... you can keep Jodie Whittaker. I’ll take old school Dr Who any day.
This vid needs a follow-up now the last ep of season 12 completely retconned Dr Who into oblivion, even the Doc isn't Gallifreyan or a Time Lord....
Russel T. Davies, and Steven Moffat were the best, and will be the best writers of Doctor Who.
Lalak Balazs Robert Holmes. Terrance Dicks. Malcolm Hulke are my favourites Moffat and RTD were great too though.
BRING THEM BACKK
An 8th Doctor spinoff is a must. It can work if they have a different show runner.
this would be amazing
Why? So we can be bored to death?
Why would a legendary doctor like Paul McGann bore you to death?
Supreme whovian he’s talking about the stupidly idiotic part of that guys comment, which was saying Orville (which is in fact a boring show)
@@jerelo175 correct!
Chibs killed an immortal. He must be very proud of himself.
And now, he killed it ABSOLUTELY
series 11 is the first EVER season of doctor who i couldn't enjoy watching, even the seventh doctor's dumber episodes were enjoyable because of the character of the doctor
Sylvester McCoy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jodie Whittaker anyday!
Colin Baker's 6th Doctor >>>>>>> Whittaker's 13th. And it's perplexing, because she is a fine actor and *could* -- with the right writing and direction -- be a fine Doctor.
Chibnall plots crap Whittaker ill suited.
So true!
1-12>>>>>>>Jodie
I love Steven Moffat's time as showrunner, even the low points were miles above series 11's high spots. Series 12 needs to be completely different or it might be the very last.
@@LukasOfTheLight Season seven still had several great episodes, even if most of it felt average.
I have massive respect for Steven Moffat. The guy had balls and was willing to take risks but also showed great respect for Doctor Who lore and clearly loved the show. He's a lifelong fan and it shows in his work. Russell T Davies revived the series but Steven Moffat's my favourite show runner by a fairly significant margin.
What if... she's a The Master (or Missy 2) pretending to be the Doctor (who is tied up somewhere) and taking the loooong way to destroying his reputation?
*cue Twilight Zone theme song*
I have a similar theory in mind, which includes the possibility that the actual Doctor was mentally reprogrammed into thinking he was the Master, hence why he's so different.
My main problem with the post-regeneration phase that Whitaker went through is, truly, the lack thereof. Like, this is the moment when the incoming Doctor can take the character any direction they want before settling into how they're actually going to be playing it. Just look at Capaldi! In his first episode, he called a dinosaur a "sexy woman," ranted about how he now had "attack eyebrows," sold his watch for a cheap coat, and took a window over a door because "Door boring, not me." And because of that, he was able to, within the VERY SAME EPISODE, swiftly and believably settle into the stoic, grumpy grandfather-teacher-figure role that became the 12th Doctor. Whitaker doesn't do that. She's just...vaguely drunk and confused, and so that's the only real direction the character can go.
Whittaker has just two expressions: showing teeth and hiding teeth. I managed to watch one and a half episodes, couldn't stand any more.
I quit watching series 11 every week after Kerblam but Arachnids was my breaking point. Sci-fi like Doctor Who and Star Trek used to challenge its audiences and present ideas that could lead to the betterment of mankind, not pander to any kind of political or dogmatic ideology. I would be fine with this if and only if there were some kind of character development for the companions.
I don't even care about the new TARDIS team *at all*. In fact, I would say that I cared more about Rory's dad who appeared in like 2 episodes more so than Ryan or Yaz or Graham even. Moffat at least did some decent characterization for his characters, for better or for worse.
Kerblam! and Demons of the Punjab were hands down the only good episodes of series 11
To be honest the only one I don't really care about is Yaz. She doesn't move anywhere. Her character didn't develope during the whole season. What do we know about her? She's Pakistanian and she's a soon-to-be police officer. That's it? That's not much. Her episode "The demons of Punjab" didn't bring anything new to her character.
Graham letting go of his "I'm gunna kill that munster for what it did to me wife" was a good thing, we can call that a character developement as there's at least some progress. Same with Ryan accepting "his" gramps. I'm not counting his coming to terms with dad as that was kinda forced by the situation of his dad's life being at risk.
Did I mention the Doctor? Well she is the Doctor in some situations, she's brilliant, when on the scene. Problem here is, she's not on the scene enough, it's like if it was more about her companions, shouldn't they call it "Companions Who" instead? The writing needs to improve, I hope we'll get better stories, more of the Doctor and less of "companion side stories" in the next season.
@Evil Doctor PorkChop Rather ironic that you stopped after Tennant, given the Smith era is by far the best of New Who...(esp series 5)
I couldn't stand watching anymore of season 10, however from what i have seen from it, is absolute shit. If i recall correctly in one of the episodes, the world ending conflict was some foot ball sized spiders in a hotel that they scared away.. with music?? It really brings to shame what excuse of writing can be aired these days, its a damn disgrace to the older seasons.
I completely stopped watching doctor who halfway through Peter’s first season as the doctor but then decided to give him another chance years later. I binge watched all his seasons within a week and completely fell in love with him. He’s definitely my favourite doctor, and I never thought I’d ever say that after David Tennant. Now I’m like halfway through jodie’s first season but it has taken me weeks just to get through a couple episodes. I always find it boring and get distracted so I pause it and come back to the episodes a few days later. I was really excited in her first episode but now I just can’t force myself to watch the show. So I’ve decided to rewatch season 3 now.
How about that Chibs never did Sci-fi, hated sci-fi, hated Dr. who and yet still took the job? How about that he ignored with utter contempt the history/story of Who?
actually i heard he was a big fan of Doctor Who and also was a DW critic back in the day.
which is painfully ironic now.
he just sucks at writing sci-fi. I've never liked his previous episodes either, they were pretty mediocre.
Another thing. You said he wanted to get new fans into the show. If I wanted to get someone into dr who I always show them the 11th hour. To me it perfectly incapsulates that key feelings of the doctor.
The confusion of who he is
The curiosity of what he does
The excitement you get when you realize this space jack sparrow you assume is just flying by the seat of his pants...Is actually just executing his flawless plan while probably thinking about what kind of tie he’s going to wear tomorrow.
Whittaker was appalling but the she was also given too many puerile lines to utter by the writers. Nearly every episode was written for 6 year olds - there was nothing for adult fans
So true - it really did feel like kids' TV, complete with one dimensional over-exaggerated characters, clunky 'message-driven' writing, and appalling bad acting.
They're not trying to get children but people with the IQ of a 6 year old
This is the difference between a good actor and a hack. Tom Baker often interjected his own take on the character. cosplay Doctor did nothing with iffy lines, although, had she been a real actress, she would have improved them.
FockYouMang that says a lot about Chibnall
I agree completely. Write the show for adults!
The problem was replacing all the writers with the PC mob. The whole thing was a purely political move, i believe from the BBC. I think Chibnall is just willing to play his role. And it really just shows how ridiculous these people are. Like he could have had any women actress, and there was some amazing ones. But he chose Jodie cause he must have thought any women could do it. That's real sexism if you ask me.
I only watched the first 4 episodes of Series 11, and it seemed as if they were just trying to ram down the "WE'RE NOT RACIST/SEXIST/HOMOPHOBIC" card down everyone's throats when it wasn't even necessary. Think back to Series 1; did we all pity Mickey just because he was black? No, his ethnicity had nothing to do with his character development, the same applied for Martha.
The driving narrative with Chibnall's 'writing' is to forget about the purpose of a character and only focus on what they look like. It's insulting to those who are non-white or female to be honest.
@@Harvester236 Our team member Diggy put it best, I think, when I discussed Chibnall-Whittaker with him...
"Inclusion for inclusions-sake" when referring to the fact that Chibnell made inclusion an aim for his show from the get-go. He did press releases about it! "It should be the most inclusive show on television!" (www.digitalspy.com/tv/cult/a862015/doctor-who-series-11-writers-of-colour/) "Half the writers are women! We have black people! Look at us, aren't we so amazingly woke?", essentially was what he was saying, lol!
Inclusion is great. TV and film need more people of colour, more women stars, etc... Buuuut, if you're employing someone for their gender or skin colour etc rather than their *talent*, well...
Anyway, I countered with "controversy for controversy's-sake", in reference to the new female Doctor reveal and the Tmeless Children reveal, because they made headlines all around the world, didn't they? After-all, 'any publicity is good publicity' or whatever, right?.. ... ... Ye, wrong...
I'm still quietly hopeful because series 12 was an improvement. We had, like, three entire episodes without some sort of 'agenda' lol!
- Illy, GEEKETEERS Producer/Hostess
Have you seen Broadchurch? Jodie CAN act. Maybe she isnt suited for the job as doctor who but its not like she is a bad actress. I don't think they were wrong to try. They could've switched her out earlier tho.
@@eigentlichchroma Yeah i seen her in a hospital drama before she became Doctor who and i thought she was great in that role. But i do think they were wrong to try because i think their reasons for trying it were wrong. They didn't do it to make the show better, they did it for political reasons alone. And it's not just about jodie, they fired all the long time writers for the show and replaced them with SJW's that have never written for a sci fi show. You can look this up on the radio times website they have a list.
doctor who has always been political dipshit
The last episode of series 12 just finished it off, completely put it out of it's misery
I've been watching Dr Who since the 1960s. Historically, it consistently proves to be bad for the show when ego driven directors insist upon trying to leave their personal mark on the show. JNT is a classic example and so are Moffat and Chibnall. I have no issue with a female Dr, as of course there was a female time lord in the very first episode. ( Susan) , but poor quality script writing for the sake of ludicrous political correctness will kill off the show with alarming speed, as will the recent insistence upon instant gratification episodes where it is assumed that no-one can concentrate on a story that lasts more than 45 minutes. It's a bit insulting really.
I never saw JNT as a demagogue; some people thought he overdid the nostalgia, but I loved it, especially as a relatively new American Whovian who always wanted to learn more about the show and its history.
RTD was a bit too fond of silliness and fanservice but when he was on top form he was brilliant. The "soapy" angle of the 2005 series grounded the show in a way that made it accessible to all, with those elements gradually giving way to more of a classic Who feel, albeit very modern and relatable.
Moffat had a habit of making everything 5x more complicated than it needed to be but he also added a lot of great elements to the mythos and for that I will always be grateful.
Chibnall turned the Doctor into a Blue Peter presenter (if you watch the series back, Jodie frequently gives a recap of everything that's happened about two thirds of the way in) and the lack of continuity from episode to episode somehow made the word of Who feel smaller. The only episode I enjoyed was Kerblam, and even that was like a middling episode from RTD's run.
The show needs a major overhaul. Less gloomy dimly lit shots, more action and adventure.
To me RTD era was the best. I Wish Rose would come back. Like Rose finds her way back to the doctors world and Rose is shocked when she finds out her boyfriend (The Doctor) is a girl. it be amazing!
I think Whittaker honestly is doing great with the material she's been given. People overestimate an actor's ability to make bad writing good, if the writings too bad then there's only so much she can do. I think she has a lot of potential that chibnall seems intent on squandering
I agree, if she had a decent script I think she could pull it off. The shoehorning of PC talking points into her dialogue must be as excruciating to play as to listen to. There was always a "liberal agenda " in the show in terms or promoting anti racism - but it used to be done more subtlety. In series 12 we have had some interesting plots squeezed to death between long didactic monologues and unnecessary character backstory.
I walked away from The Doctor after ONE line spoken by her.... "I've had an UPGRADE!!"..... Uhmm, no. No Doctor. You definitely have NOT. That one line was a slap in the face of long term fans and everything and every character that had come before.... So I turned and left because after all, I was constantly being told that the show was 'not for me' and to 'sit down and be quiet'... I obviously was not alone.
Can the Dr. Go back in time and fix this bullocks.
Twelve is in some kind of matrix, put there by the Master and is having this nightmare. That's my personal canon anyway!
@@NerdGirlUK thats an odd headcanon but i see where you're coming from