What to Expect from the AIM-120 AMRAAM in War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- The AIM-120 AMRAAM has been confirmed to come in the first half of 2024: that time is now. I figure it's a great chance to go ahead and cover exactly what the AMRAAM is and what you can expect from it.
00:00 Intro
01:21 AMRAAM A/B
04:10 AMRAAM vs R-77
05:19 Which Aircraft
06:44 AMRAAM C
08:12 AMRAAM D
Credit to Isurus for AMRAAM render
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Main thing I'm expecting is getting teamkilled from 30km away
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Maybe by newbs but if people pay attention to their radar they’ll know who is friendly and who is not 🫣
(Though teamkilling with an aim-120 is a bit overkill? xD)
@@code6499well when a fox 3 like the 120 goes pit bull it would be very easy to teamkill if there is a teammate near the enemy so unless you hold the lock it could accidentally target a friendly
@@Fred-ie1ql AIM-54A/C don’t target nearby friendlies last time I checked? Sometimes I would takeoff late and launch in TWS and would target players nearby friendlies on radar and it doesn’t go after them? Maybe it’s luck or the missile does go pitbull after friendlies but can’t pull enough G’s to kill them… we’ll see though
Its already happened to me at 35km out with current missiles we have, more like we gonna get tkd from 50km + 💀
fox 3s are gonna be such a pain
if they actually lower the player count in AIR RB , it wont be a pain
not until they remove the unrealistic multipathing, if its still ingame when more fox-3s get added everyone will still be deck hugging per usual
@@lucinator8582Exactly. That's the only thing that would change the top tier meta which is hugging the ground. It's aids.
it will be a pain cause you now can no longer race into a furball like its nothing and will actually be forced to be defensive. lord i pray they remove the poor ass multipathing.
Hope the Flanker doesn't get Fox 3s otherwise the game as a whole will far apart (Gaijin will probably give the R 77 to the Su 27 cause they don't care much about balance and more about what dominanting is Russian)
the Tornado F.3 will get a lot nastier if and when the AMRAAM arrives, that radar it has allows it to have such a large launch envolope compared to its contemporaries
Would the large envelope really make it viable or will it be a gimmick
@@Skoodellyit will allow the tonka to actually compete in high alt BVR engagements against ‘better’ airframes. It has an ungodly CM load, the AMRAAMs would be the icing on the cake until ASRAAM is added to round out its IR load.
@fenriders7008
kinda hope the Tornado F.3 gets get Active Skyflash as alternate FOX-3 without increasing the current BR, Active skyflash is basically a Super TEMP skyflash with a MICA RF/EM seeker head instead of a FOX-1 seeker head and a marginally improved aerodynamic profile due to improved fin design.
The idea is to split Tornado F.3 into "early" and "Late" models, early with AIM-9L IRCCM (UK) and Active Skyflash as final upgrades, the Late having the 9L and Active Skyflash stock with the AIM-9L IRCCM (UK) as an upgrade before ASRAAM and AIM-120
@@BatteredWalrus I hesitated to mention active Skyflash as it was never adopted into service (though portions of it continued on to the SSX25 project which later evolved into Meteor) though I’d agree it could be an awesome early Fox-3.
Personally I see Gaijin having early and late variant F3s as you say. Skyflash SuperTEMP and 9L(when is Tonka getting their 9Ms?) for the early and ASRAAM and AMRAAM for the late.
Then a premium that offered the active Skyflash as a fox three without the BR increase. That would be the most likely scenario knowing the snail.
@fenriders7008 well the original name for Active Skyflash was Skyflash Mk.2 and was supposed to enter service on Tornado F.2s so it could turn up and afaik was fired off of that platform (F.2 and F.3 when they changed the name) I hope they don't do the premium split but if they do I'd like to see at least see the Hawk 200 in the TT with Active Skyflash
i guarantee players are gonna be mad about it not being close enough to irl and leak classified docs
looking forward to the AIM-120. I'm hoping it will allow the Tornado F.3 to actually be a viable plane and also pave the way for the Sea Harrier FA.2
It was perfectly viable up till 2-3 weeks ago, super TEMPs or radar are broken right now. I’ve aced multiple times with it. If they give it fox 3 i hope it’s a different aircraft, f3 flight performance can’t take any higher br
@@mathewtheis9139unfortunately the f3 is the pinnacle of the tonka line.
I have thus far managed to keep a 3/1 KD with the f3, AMRAAM capability would be nuts.
The F3 flight model is known to be bugged and devs are ‘looking into it’. It should be a bit more agile than it is, with better kinematic performance.
if amraams are just going to be defeated by flying low like sarhs i honestly think the meta won’t change too much
A lot more players who dont have the 27er will start climbing and engaging in bvr when the fox 3's come to the game.
@@zadow1011 the real problem is there are no map objectives like there would be on a mission IRL or in DCS. This is what causes the stupid ass furball in the middle as well as the fact that there is only one airfield near the center line of the map. If they put the airfields to the outside corners it would be way different
@@masterhacker7065 in enduring confrontation maps there actually are objectives in air rb, however people completely ignore them and still start a furball.
On a side note. It's always hilarious to see people still dying to AIM-54s at the start of the battle. lol
Baby wake-up lee dropped another video
Indeed
"gaijin will be guessing" is a pretty convenient excuse for them to make it worse than an R-77, can't wait for early aim-120s fighting against later model r-77s... just what gaijin does
gotta keep russia the best nation without being accurate
that would be more balanced because american teams are stomping rn
@@zehi04russia hasn’t been the best nation for the last 2 years my friend
@@vauxcorsauhh America isn't stomping Sweden is and if we include ground Russia has been the top dog in ground RB since the t80bvm is added
@@alphawolf1786 america is 100% stomping top tier air have you been in a sim lobby in last 3 years
My guy is really getting ready for these new missiles and planes
The smaller control surface allow the missile to bleed less speed as it is maneuvering. Its not just a mod so it can fit in the f22. Also the ranges you are providing for the missiles are on the most optimal of settings meaning, non maneuvering targets at high altitude while the missile is also fired from high altitude and at at least mach one... In reality you will be very lucky to score a hit with the amraam B in 20nm or more in a hot aspect target that doesnt preemtively defend... For the 120 C5, if you have a fast high flying hot aspect target that doesnt maneuver preemtively and your aircraft is flying on the same altitude, at mach 1+ and also points up the help with the loft, a high probability of kill range would be 40-35nm. On lower altitudes its much smaller obviously...
Would you say the amraam A/B would have similar, more or less general range than the R-77? (The first R-77 variant)?
@@christopherchartier3017the 120 a and b have a smaller range being around 50km whereas the 77 is 60 if I’m not mistaken
This is more a problem for war thunder considering everyone just hugs the ground and not as much for real life because engines actually ingest ground clutter which can damage it
@@christopherchartier3017 judging by how most ppl play war thunder and factoring in the, for the lack of a better word, terrible speed bleed when maneuvering of the r77, I would have to say that the amraam would have the most range. On high alt engagements maybe the 77 will have the upper hand but it depends on which 120 variant we get. I am more worried about the devs adding a pl12 or something like that which would outrange both the 120 and the 77
i don't feel like were ready but damn am i excited. also lee u are so underrated u deserve so much more in a community and im glad i found u keep up the good work.
Thanks broski, that means a lot to me!
if Air RB doesn't get a significant rework, Fox-3s will make it unplayable. since we're talking about gaijin that's exactly what I'm expecting to happen
no it wont. they will literally be like sarh missiles just with less steps and arguable easier to avoid due to the shitty PN formula gaijin uses
@@11Tits with fox-1s you can only effectively engage one target at a time, with fox-3s it's as many as you have missiles. Imagine 16 vs 16 with only F-14s with 4 phoenixes each, except the missiles are better in every aspect (except max range which the phoenix cannot reach anyway im current air rb launch parameters anyway). within minutes from the beginning of the battle there can be more than a hundred missiles in the air, and everything that is further up from the ground than 25 meters dies
@@jonleg12312 huge shocker it eont just be about the furball anymore and will guess what change the gameplay. So its less just in the face dogfighting
@@11Tits lol what? those who survive the first missile wave will get into the same furball we have currently.
I'd love to get some proper BVR fights but this won't be the way to get those
We need 8v8 Air RB and 16v16 left for Air enduring RB with bigger and spread out map objectives and a rework on it
Informative as always my friend ❤
Glad you think so!
It's inevitable, they should just add them and just adapt game modes according to feedback. There's more than enough people playing air RB to make a BVR and BFM game modes to fit players needs, they can make it separate queues or just put it in the same queue so it keeps things interesting
Good video lee!
Appreciate it!
I'm simultaniously excited for and dreading the AMRAAM, same with 5th gens when we eventually get to that
if they introduced Amraam, with actually smaller teams like 6 v 6 or 4 v 4 the BVR spiel could actually be fun, because you could really focus of Attack and Defence like IRL
One thing you can guarantee, in Warthunder, Aim-120 will be inferior to real life performance.
the F-15J we have in-game is a lot C4 (pre J-MSIP) variant, which was not compatible with AIM-120, which Japan only received in 2001, and AIM-120 compatibility was introduced during a separate modernization on J-MSIP (Lot C6 onwards) airframes.
Right, and the F-15J got that MSIP upgrade. All Gaijin would need to do is change the engines and radar and boom they're set. More likely though is a new MSIP F-15J
@@GeneralLee2000 There would be a fair few visual changes needed than just that, especially if we go beyond just a C6, but I'd hope if they plan to add 120B+ to the 15J they also make it a lot C6 at least, otherwise they will need to introduce a new vehicle.
Im excited to see how this is inplemented
As someone who never plans on playing top tier
Let's be honest, it will basically be used as a longer range, harder to flare AIM-9 if Gaijin doesn't do something about the current state of air RB.
There's one slight problem to the F-16A-15 ADFs getting AMRAAMs.... the ADF models couldn't use AMRAAMs. Of course Gaijin being gaijin, they might just add them anyway without doing any form of research, and act like the aviation community wont notice. But, the F-16A Blk.15ADF models were only equipped with AIM-9, AIM-7, and similar ground capabilities to the Blk.10s. The Block 15 program did, however go through a major upgrade program. The Block 15Y (better known as the OCU, or Operation Capability Upgrade) was the program that majorly transformed the F-16A models into something closer to early C models. These aircraft also have structural strengthening and are provided with the enlarged HUD that was first introduced on the F-16C/D. The OCU models also featured the use of AGM-65, provisions for the AIM-120 AMRAAM, radar altimeter, expanded computer capacity, data transfer unit, wide-angle HUD, AN/APX-101 IFF, Tracor AN/ALE-40 chaff/flare dispenser and provisions for the AN/ALQ-131 ECM pod. These modifications increased the max. TO weight to 37,500lbs (17,010kg). The first Block 15OCU was delivered in January 1988, and from 1988 onwards, all Block 15's were built to OCU specifications.
In other words, Gaijin will have to add a separate F-16A Blk.15 OCU to the US and Italy if they wanted to add an AMRAAM-capable Block 15. The ADF and OCU were so vastly different from one another, that you can't just add AMRAAMs to the ADF in game and call it a day. The OCU and MLU are also essentially the same aircraft (armaments wise), as the MLU is an upgraded export OCU. The avionics were closer on the F-16A MLUs to the F-16C-50s.
F-16.net has all sorts of information if you want to look for yourself, here's the link.
www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article3.html
Tbh I’d love to see the AIM-120 and R-77 as I find them very cool in a technology standpoint. (Plus they would be added to some of my favourite aircraft, well FOX 3’s)
The folks who say we need to jump straight to the AIM-120c are just being greedy. I think we might actually have the potential for a return to the golden age of Saber vs MiG here because both the AMRAAM and R-77 are good but good in different ways
As a French and Japan player I'm really curious about the MICA and AAM-4/5
japan didnt use amraams ? rip lol
im wondering the same both are crazy missiles
The F-117 would be a very interesting way of adding stealth aircraft and giving some counters to some of these new radar guided missiles. They could use that to eventually add the F-22, F-35, J-20, and Su-57.
F-117 wouldn't be good for War Thunder. Drop 2 bombs, then RTB. Worked well in real life, but wouldn't make good gameplay
@@RT42069ground RB:
@@RT42069that’s what half the lobby does every match anyway
@@RT42069having 2 D model mavericks with barely any ability for the dreaded Pantsir to retaliate would make it rather nice in GRB. Otherwise it would suck for ARB.
Unless they went the sketchy route… it was a secondary role for the Nighthawk to employ sidewinders against unaware Soviet AWACS if SHTF… no details on how many (I’d assume 2 or 4) could be carried.
Unlockable aircraft lobbing 9Ms without fear of retaliation would be a cool gimmick.
@@fenriders7008 did it carry mavericks? I thought it only got GBUs (which would also work against Pantsirs)
It took 4 years to go from the f-4c to the f-15a, so I’m exited to see what comes next in a few years
im excited for the amraam and r77 im wondering if gaijin will gimp the mica if it is added though it will have a much smaller number but the fact that it can do a 180° turn in 3s and still have plenty of energy would be pretty crazy for warthunder rn as a radar missile.
I'm curious on how the MLU will play out as it currently ingame it more or less represents a pre-2000s version of it that couldn't fire AMRAAMs and didn't have any goodies like Extra flares, LGBs, JDAMs, and some ASMs like it received later in its life. I just hope if they do kit bash AMRAAMs on it, they don't leave out all the other fun stuff.
Regarding the AIM-120 D-3 a Raytheon spokesperson recently said that the D-3 has such dramatic software and hardware upgrades from the older D model that it could warrant a new letter designation like E or F, not that that tells us anything specifically but just something interesting
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the R37 axehead, it’s like a pheonix it wouldn’t have a very high kill rate but it’s a hypersonic so it’d be good for forcing your opponent to go defensive
Differences between the B and C is the B has bigger fins and more maneuverability vs the C, which is better ballistically.
Can you do a vid on guided munition techniques during CAS ops?
I hope we can get the SLAMRAAM, could put radar sites on the maps that can be targeted to force the SLAMRAAM to use boresight targeting
Personally, I would have liked you to talk about the French MICA EMs as well, especially the comparison with the 120A/B and the R77 for G limit and speed.
hi lee you think the MICA AM fox 3 for French Will come ??
Im so excited because i will actually have a reason to use US jets for BVR
Really hope they add the AMRAAM since the leak list was rather disappointing
Can you please share your controls i would love to see you setup for ground targetting with the jets
As a DCS player, I can respectfully inform you that the AIM-120 means pain. Having access to it back when the F/A-18C was released, it held me back on learning BVR because it's just too good. I had to very intentionally start practicing with the AIM-7 to understand how ridiculous the difference was. All variants of the AIM-120 have significantly improved range over the best variants of the AIM-7. That's on top off being able to break forward aspect before anything can shoot at you.
The aviation game modes are not ready for this. Maybe sim ec is. But NOT Air RB.
16v16 with active radar will be incredibly unfun, the way Air RB is right now with everyone going to one place and getting into a furball I think it will just be lame, if they want to introduce Fox 3 they should spread the map out more like Sim and lower the player counts
Air Sim with active radar missiles actually sounds like a blast tho
Remember boys, learn to crank, MAR, and other BVR stuff cause those fins on the R-77 will make it easily crankable than the AMRAAM
Lets not forget R-77 is the counterpart to AMRAAM which I feel like its forgotten maybe?
if unrealistic multipathing is still kept in i doubt much will change
ur fked if they fire r27er + r77 , then u have to go cold.
@@maximumvibe9355 fair
@@croskerkis the R-77 really that much easier to avoid than the amraam-A?
@@christopherchartier3017It will probably be worse considering people generally fly at low and medium altitude. Given the amraam's substantial drag difference I think it's safe to think that it's going to have more range and stay at a high speed easier than the r77 so yes I do think the amraam is gonna be harder to dodge at long range, especially when when comparing it and the r77s Performance and energy retention after they burn out
seeing you trying to use the 7m's was so painful, those missles are ridiculously bad
aw man wish you would've covered french and chinese msls too but still cool info
Might be unrelated, but sick shot at 8:37
Edit: Oh my goodness, ten likes?! I mean thats not a ton, but thanks!!
Thanks man!😊
R-77 has worse tracking and is easier to bait in a notch, the R-77-1 improves the missile over all and is more compered to the AIM-120C-5, the R-77M (way too modern btw) is more compered to the AIM-120D
I haven't heard much about R-77 seeker which is why I didn't really touch on it, what's your source? Also I already said that for R-77-1 and M
Open source
@@WOLFER. any keywords to search about?
@@Takamiya_Mio seeker tracking rate
Can't wait to get uptiered to 4.5- 5th gen battles in my f4e. I stg, 10.7-11.3 needs their own bracket cause playing US is absolute pain
I wonder if they’ll up the brs of the viggen if they give it amraam same with the tornado
Can you please do the r77 next?
personally i dont think theyll add the r-77, but instead use the r-27EA/EM but if im wrong so be it
I think 120 c5 and r77-1 will come with the rest since they confirmed pl 12 will be one of the first and they all have around 100-110km range. Even aam4 could come
Well, didn't they just mentioned PL-12 for their J-8F which has shitty FM&Energy?
I don't think they'll just move for later variants fox3s I think...?
hopefully we get the next line up of jets like the f22 and su57
I could be wrong, but I thought the F15J only had access to the AAM4 which is basically a domestic Japanese Fox-3 based on the AMRAAM
Indeed. At least from what I understand it never used the AMRAAM's but instead upgraded from Sparrows directly to the AAM-4
It's an AIM-120C in the decal....cliped wings on top and bottom, C model!
the decal slaps, what is it for ??
As if top tier jet play isn't already a horrible experience
Can you do a video on MICA, since france will need a counter to the AMRAAM.
Please do the r77 and other fox 3 I would appreciate very much also love the content
I just hope they're usable and dont get nerfed like the sparrows did. New code and new missile, ill probably hop back on to play again, havent really played since like a week or so after update, there was just no point to with nerfed missile set.
Could you make a video on european missiles?
Do you think France will get the MICA RF/IR or will it take some time before it comes into play?
Fun fact: The F-14(A) tested the AIM-120 and was capable of using it, but the grand scale conversion wasn't made due to costs.
I mean I'm just saying, if they can add vehicles that don't even fully exist yet;
Definitely excited to have a competitive missile to that of the Russians, I think the ER was added too early but everyone else will be WAY more competitive in bvr than we have been for the past year when Fox 3s get added
I really hope they make the maps bigger..
This man just want his F-15 to be the better than the Su-27 in game
REAL
I just want them to perform properly
It already it is, y'all are just dumb
@@areyou0k98Real (actually)
@@GeneralLee2000 F-15C vs SU-35 when
This is just a minor thing but while watching the gameplay footage on the part of the ARMRAAM C I realized the players are speaking in Filipino/Tagalog and one of them is saying that they can understand a bit of Bisaya lol.
Hey General Lee! I want you to talk about wing condensation! It is so easy to implement into the game but still havent been added yet... PLS I do not have the audience needed to get this to Gaijin
actually I'm kinda scared of fox 3s coming to the game since fox 2s are almost unflareble in top tier and I'll still need to manage to go cold on +40km missiles
Do you think that there is a chance France gets mica missiles this update or are we just gonna get slammed?
Bro missed the Sea Harrier airframe in his list of "Capable of carrying the AMRAAM", only got the Harrier 2
We don't have the sea harrier that's compatible with AMRAAM, that was a different version.
Generally speaking with multipathing still being a thing, I'd expect these missiles to end up just being fire and forget radar missiles, which obviously that's kinda what an active radar missile does. So generally a massive step up for America based planes that are upgrading to them from Sparrows but, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of people flying like 6 Phoenix F-14's at launch tho... I imagine that's how most people think they're gonna be... I feel the smart ones will be flying as they always have with the SARH's
Man if they dont come next patch imma loose muh marbles
Lee i see you haven't mentioned the aam4 the Japanese version of the amraams is it bcs it wont be coming to the game next patch or is it basically the same as the amraam A and b
It's not an AMRAAM and it's much better than the AMRAAM A/B, it's like AMRAAM C-5 level lol, maybe better
@@GeneralLee2000 ohh I see🙈thank you for clearing it up I'm such a dummy🥴
How do you think the MICA EM will compare to the AIM120s and R77 ?
Few people talk about them, but when they do, they say they’ll either destroy aim 120 A/B or be destroyed by Aim120C
What is the pittbull range of the AMRAAMs and R77 ?
I said it in the video for the AMRAAM but it should be around 16-18 km. I'm not sure about R-77 though
3 lightyears
@@GeneralLee2000 oh I missed that sorry chief
@@GeneralLee2000if you can find the pitbull range for Pl-12 then you have the R-77 both use the same radar. Not sure about Pl-12b or new tho
We need specialized maps, different team sizes, and more game modes asap or we're screwed
Talk about spreading misinformation, the AIM-120 (Airborne Insemination Missile) actually pulls 120 Gs, that's why it's designated 120 because that's the amount of degrees in a full circle.
So true!!!
I hope beyond hope that the fox 3s come with a change to RB EC. The current formula will break down. You will be taking off and going straight up launch all fox 3s then dive down then dogfight. Matches already barely last long enough to try and flank. We need a more modern game mode.
The F-16C radar is completely broken at the moment if you have your radar off and click lock it will switch to ACM then HMD and not allow you to turn it off makeing your radar missles useless
If they lower ARB player count down to 12v12, or even better 10v10, then Im game for Fox 3. But 16v16 with Aamraam will be actual hell.
😂its sad but funny at the same time
where can i get the decal brother
They should add the F-14D and give it Aim-120’s
just like all F-14s the F-14 is a waste
@@11Tits No not really
doesnt the R27-ER out range AIM-120C? and is faster? in DCS atleast
Ok I still have one question nobody can seem to answer without losing their minds. What's gonna be the US/NATO equivalent to the R-27ET? I say ASRAAM and everyone loses it. I say IRIS-T and I'm insane. As far as aerodynamic performance goes the R-27ET still dunks on both of those missiles. ET will out run and out range both with ease.
As a long range IR missile, for NATO only France will have something like an R27ET, but better in every way : the MICA IR. It has thrust vectoring, 80km max range and data link that allow it to be guided with TWS for BVR shot, the IR seeker going pitbull like a Fox 3 when it get in range. it's the only IR missile that you will find with this capability, and will be restricted to France ( and maybe China with the ROC Mirage 2000-5 )
Do you think they’ll also force Japan mains to grind a new plane to use AMRAAMs like what will probably happen with the Gripens? Like adding an F-15J late or something? Or would they just give the existing F-15J AMRAAMs?
Also when more F-15J camos? There’s so many, but we have so far, basically nothing. No offense to the aggressor skin.
Personally I think we'll get a F-15J MSIP with the new engines and radar yeah
Probably F-15 kai
Do you think the F-18 will come next update and can you maybe do a "What to expect" Video about the F-18?
I think it's coming June, and one is planned!
As long as other nations get their own ARHM I have no issues.
The music on the aim120 flashcard was so weird, all majestic and harmonious and very out of place in this kind of video lol
As much as I would love for the F-16ADF for Italy to get AMRAAMS, knowing gaijin it won't happen, they have yet to add the Block 50 radar and engine to it which so dearly pisses me off.
R77 never was on the su27, which is great because of two reasons
1. Means mig29 is not useless as both mig29 can have base r77 (smt can have -1 version).
2. There won't be 8 r77 on a single plane
i heard clipped wings do infact affect performance
Do u believe the MICA EM/IR will come for france and later the METEOR for the Rafale
What is left to ruin? Top tier ARB is already in a bad state
True!!!
11.3s are really fun after BR changes.
@@Cloud_Stratus partly true, 16v16 is an eye sore in 11.3 as well. And the maps can still use objectives that are a lot more interesting and spread out than the current ones. A second spawn point wouldn't hurt either. And I'm still waiting for Enduring Confrontation as well
Knowing the fact that gaijin is going to have to guess on the vast majority of this missiles performance, they'll almost certainly underplay its capabilities unapologetically.
What about the r27 with the active seeker? Would that be something that could be used by other aircraft?
That would need to be added waaaaaaay later. Imagine how bad the R-27ER vs literally anything in the game is, but worse. Literally the only equivalents I can think of is the JATM or Meteor when regarding range, maneuverability, seeker range, maximum velocity (relatively equal, R-27EA would still be like 0.8M higher going off of Gaijin’s numbers)
Unlikely but possible, it was very very limited in numbers. It would be better than the R-77 and AMRAAM A/B though for sure
I hope we see the F-14D with Aim-9Ms and AMRAAMs. It would breathe some fresh air into the F14 line as the F-14B is suffering a little with the really bad Aim-7Ms and mediocre at best Aim-9Ls.
the reason they suffer is cause teh F-14 byenlarge is a bomber hunter. it maybe labled as a fighter but just like irl it wasnt great at it
@@11Tits Nah. The airframe itself is great. It's just that gaijin's implementation of its weapons aren't.
Finally the us getting a Mach 3+ missile
if Gaijin doesn't want to massacre top-tier, they should split the game into fox3 and fox2/1 matchmaking. hopefully the amraam will increase engagement distance, because having massive furballs is pretty unrealistic when it comes to modern systems
The Maps and Player Count NEEDS to be changed. Can't have 16 v 16 on small Afghan, everyones gonna peek over that mountain and fire all their fox 3's, defend, RTB... LOL