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You are lucky. Here in India we find it difficult to get work. I am 52 and still hands on. Have experience in multiple technologies. But when it comes to get work. It is extremely difficult.
Especially in India, an elder working as an Individual contributor as specialist is sometimes considered as one who couldn't become manager in life or as unsuccessful, which is an orthodox thinking. While in the US and Europe there are several elder individual contributors who are specialists are very well respected and judged based on there rich experience. It's few Indians who need to change there mindset
very good points I am 50 plus and worked with team 10 to 15 years younger than me. They are directors , VPs and team leads , PMs. All points you mentioned are excellent. Todays younger generation also one day will become older> Its just a matter of time. If everyone focuses on delivery of task and keeps aside egos or differences it works out well. Infact both can learn from each other.
@@CareerTalkage doesn't matter I think, I am 35 and done MCA now preparing for software field. Please don't spread negativity and spoil our confidence level .
@@parveenbegum8979inspirational..that you are restarting at the age of 35 while others have given up till that time.. thinking that they are too old to rebuild
This is changing faster. With 2021-22 great resignation,packages in India went pretty high and it's real competitive now with abroad as well comparing living cost. Now people are looking for less managers and more techies 🙂. "If you aren't a manager by 40, you are an underachiever"- this is no longer applicable.
I once had to report to a woman manager in her 20s. She was younger to me by atleast a decade or so. She misunderstood my calm and composed nature as showing attitude and disrespect towards her when she was trying to micromanage me. This made it difficult to have a good work environment till the project lasted.
The wisdom the seniors carry is indispensable. Young and aggressive managers / techies need that wisdom at some point of time when they hit a block. Seniors are actually paid for the experience and wisdom they have gathered over the years of work.
Yes people do bias based on age gender and pay is not equivalent for all and expectations just get higher and higher as we age in IT .need to adapt asap to any situations
one person who doesnt need a PM role, even after 15 yrs of expnce, stopped talking to me ,after identifying me , as am having similar yrs of xpnce with that person! 😁
50+ and I have actually never had that problem, but in Sweden there is a huge demand for skilled IT people so companies are constantly trying to poach people from other companies, there is just not enough IT people to cover the demand, and experience seems to be very valuable as long as you do keep up with new things.
In my current team most of are 12 to 15+ years of experience. I am working as principal engineer in product based company in my 40+, recently moved to service based company due to acquisition by major client and all teams remain in same client. I got completed my major multi-year project at same time but product was totally different, I was helping current team on some technical issues and I moved to that team as it was consolidation and I know the team and backend stuffs, but lot of learnings on frontend and agile process....but I am putting my efforts in learning new technology and deliverables. It is out of my comfort zone, but interesting to learn the technology.
Good insights! I am a woman who is very close to 40 from India... Recently I have started my career in IT as a developer.. I faced many similar issues in the company... Most of the employees around me were recently passed out students... It took a while for me to get adjusted and be a part of the very young team.. Didn't actually understand how to deal with few things.. Plus being a mother who started her career at this stage of the life especially in corporates is definitely not easy... Now that this AI is also taking over.. I am confused weather to continue in this field or not.. Please throw some light on this keeping in mind, the women who are trying to make a come back or who want to start their career in IT in late 30s. I find the market at present not that great..
I'm in late 30s too. The reality is people younger than you make judgement on you all the time, regardless of your behavior. What they don't know is they too will be in your shoes too when they reach your age. I think you're old enough to understand that, so do your best to ignore them. On the contrary to your observations for late entry in IT career, actually there's a huge demand in the AI for developers regardless of the age. Doesn't matter if you started late, you are still fresh enough to step into application development of application development. Being a mother and doing it is not easy, but ask yourself if you're growth is better off in a growing industry than a stagnant industry.
I am at 40 still doing lot of coding, hands-on building large scale systems as individual contributor and always eager, curious to learn new things, but I live in US, and I see a major difference while I worked in India when I was in 20's and working in US in 30's to 40, but one common thing I noticed in we Indians think that we shud be climbing the title/role ladder, but that's not true, gaining specialized skills and in-depth knowledge and soft skills from experience is the key. I have worked with peers who are 5-7 yrs exp who does the work at same level of complexity as I am doing, but the thing is acknowledge each other by learning key facts from both, accept that juniors can do better than us and learn from them, and show the wisdom and share your learning's from experience, another key difference is the depth of vision developed over experience which will bring niche value to the team if applied it at right time and guiding the team to the right directions. "Now that this AI is also taking over" - don't worry about it, instead see how you can use AI to improve yourself and increase productivity and keep yourself unique from team
Developer at 55 in India consciously avoided senior leadership role. My teammates never get a feeling that I am old. tech leads who r not as skilfull, In every project, i first address their insecurity; especially if ur a top performer, you need to do that. All that client appreciation you get, give credit to teamwork and guidance of leads.
Just like in sports...age is just a number...those who want to stay relevant, will always unlearn, relearn and learn...those who have just followed the bootmarks of the bosses and never come out of their comfort zone will suffer..
Usually people over 40+ pursue MBA and settle in Leadership roles like Program Manager, Associate Director - Delivery, Engagement Delivery Lead, Portfolio Delivery Lead... I have observed people over 40+ are very strict with every team member busy with client calls, talk very limited, dress professionally .. Everyday they need tracker about user story tracker.. this is how they maintain..
It was true even 5-10 years back. But it is changing. I own a small IT company, but do hands on coding as well. I do trackers, presentations etc. too, but the market is slowly valuing resources who have vertical skills rather than those who just know how to manage people.
@@madhus9555MBA is useless! Stop thinking that education is a ticket to stability. Education has been over sold. All the big businesses in the world were started by people with little to no education background. Be responsible for yourself and don't expect people to give you a job because you have a three letter acronym on your resume. Don't take it personally but people with these degrees come and throw their weight around in an org and create disharmony.
Very well said Anand. These guidelines should be followed in letter and spirit by all age groups. IT services industry is highly getting saturated and surviving after 45 years has become really a challenge. However, it's good that there are multiple streams of income now. I am touching 40 now
This topic is the need of the hour. I think you've struck a chord with many of us. Most of us are in a dilemma: Will people in their 40s who have learned new technologies be accepted for jobs at technology companies?
Age is an issue, more in India. But its silently there outside india too. Because 1 job will have thousands of applicants, factors like age , (useless) degrees etc get used in India more. Age brings responsibilities so naturally higher pay expectations. Its obvious. A bachelor (of any age) can probably survive in much less.
Absolutely, you nailed it from the caption in itself. See, let's us understand that IT industry is brutal today specially when Big Projects are involved and just like everything projects too cease IT industry is as the nature of business is grey matter led The integration needs to be very smooth or a safety network has to be built Keeo this program continued with such pain points . Wish there were 5 more hours in a day .
If you are up to date and an experienced developer in IT your project Manager will treasure your insights and expertise so the real issue here is your ability to contribute to the team and how you work with others
Huh smarter Juniors? Smart at words not at work. I have seen projects where code has to be entirely re written which are done by juniors. Juniors cant judge what's right or wrong to even copy paste from google.
I guess IT industry is quite confused with what it should focus on.. it feels matured 45 year person is old to retire now while 25 year old is too young to lead.
Actual age no one knows in the team unless someone has HR related access, it is just years of experience, 40+ need to be top of their game in whatever their core strenghts are :)
If you are not climbed up the corporate ladder in an managerial role in your 30's, you are seen as a failure, something similar to being unmarried in your 30s.
I am 52. It is extremely difficult to get work in india. Even though i have expertise in multiple technologies and is efficient, it becomes very difficult to find work. Many times after successful interview with a client, there will be no response.
The inevitable has to come to everyone, until we change our mentality. There is a song of Nachiketa in Bengali "sobar boyes hobe 80". I have seen in US a person of age 75 still working. In a project in Oracle I have worked with a person in UK who started his career in 1986 and still going well. Age is not a problem but the mentality is. I have good knowledge on DW, EAI, big data and BI and machine learning and is fluent in all the above subjects. But still many younger generation finds it difficult to get me in the team. I left a organisation just for that. In client interview I showed them from management to devops delivery,but still not considered in the project. It was a new product development from scratch. That means blueprint designing. You have to accept it. Build yourself in such a way that the IT world have to look for you. I started learning bigdata when no one heard of it. Same with EAI and BPM. Now a days I am preparing my self for attending tests in UPLR, turing, crossover, and so on. They are tough interviews. I scored in interview in Toptal, but due to bad network the viva got smashed. These are all contractual jobs. But you have to be open.
EGO is more with Younger people than Old people. Younger people THINK , they are more intelligent than old people hence they got promoted to leadership role . This leads to EGO.. The true intelligent people are respected irrespective of their age -- I have seen very young people are highly brilliant and very humble as well .. Too many times OLD people are expected to solve major issues even though it is not their job as they are individual contributor in the team. Its really tough for old people in IT industry .. Old people should develop " LET GO " attitude very fast ..
It's true that in Germany, age in one's 40s and 50s doesn't matter as long as job requirements are met. In India, however, many companies believe that older people are trouble getting into their culture
Favoritism , closeness to the super boss etc.. very very important in IT industry .. As one person assessing another person , biases are natural based on cultural / regional / gender preferences etc.. Now that IT is filled with ( more than 50% in many places) DIVERISTY people of one gender and they also get old .. It is really fun to see large section DIVERSITY people at age group of 50 and how they treat their Younger DIVERSITY generation and more modern people .. Its going to be fun going forward ..
Well said Sir!! All points are perfect!! However, I was lucky to get sensible junior team members/managers. It's the older managers who create big trouble. They are stereotyped and prejudiced. Very hard to work as an individual contributor with older managers especially when you are equally old. The younger ones are doing better when it comes to treating seniors sensibly in their team.
I don't think it has anything to do with the age but it is more to do with the kind of involvement you show at workplace. I have seen both side of coins. There are people who after a certain age stop learning and usually try to avoid any new challenge given to them. The problem is with such people. The Learning should never stop. If you are learning and being vocal during team meetings, most of people will actually respect you for your wisdom and knowledge.
First time i heard about this issue it means we have to accumulate as much wealth we can before 40 and need to invest in higher income returning assets.
Age doesn't matter in IT. If you are competent enough to do your job, you will be acceptable. The problem is when you cross 40-45 years your brain seems to slow down and can't work as fast as when you were 25. So you have to work extra hard to break that barrier. If you can do that you will survive. Another thing is the salary. As you grow senior you expect to be paid more. But one should remember that the salary hike should be with respect to his/her performance and not with the respect of his/her seniority in the organization. So, the bottom line is stay competent.
you dont need to work 'fast' in your 40s, work smarter..understand that..and experienced people ten dto work with more wisdom and poise..youngsters cna also get distracted and tend to be less organized and less mature
i work in Australia. Nobody cares how old are you. All they care is how good your quality of work. If you are a good programmer/manager/BA, they will respect you. Age has no significance specially in this work from home kind of setup.
All thing are spot on shared in this video. But one thing plays a major role hear is - India is primarily service based market, almost all product development and ideation happens in USA or other developed countries. As result of that we have of be on toes to deliver on a high rate constantly which younger devs can do. So they delivery rate is will always be lesser that who is in 20’s or 30’s. There are multiple things going on when a person cross 40 like kids, personal health and many more. I can add more to it. Just shared my thoughts, may be completely wrong. 🙏 I just sgared
Sir, Video is good. However these challenges arises firstly as the experienced people are not given the right roles and young people are given better roles. This is not a good change when compared to the traditional approach. We cannot just take excuse saying performance is the key for role selection. My strong opinion would be that the experience need to be valued and given better roles than junior to fix this challenge permanently. May be need to go back to the old age traditional approach.
Feudalistic mentality or regressive mentality of average Indian is also one of the reason. The average Indian don't recognise even subordinates have self respect. Comparatively this is better in corporate sector. Also it is changing fastly in new generation in general.
Anyone comparing India with another country. First check the 1.2 Billion Vs other country's population. For context - Uttar Pradesh population is more than UK+France+Germany.
I have lost my job today. Im 32 years old and writing this. Im a Fullstack Developer, who though that computers can give me life. I learned it, putting my all in it. But the industry its hard 😢. Its alot of politics in the company. Indian Managers haunt you and suck your blood. Sorry for generalizing. The reason why I got fired is, my manger deliberately did not provide inputs. Today I had to stand for myself and tell that I cannot progress without inputs. I was made to push commit right on the 4thday, Without testing. He did not provide me endpoint, even after asking to test. And finds fault with it after the weekend. Hard reality is its problem with IT, its problem with over population. I worked in Kitchen too for part-time, its though place too. They make you run. Endpoint: Life is hard. I cant imagine my position growing old. Please pick a profession which is lively, something related to nature. The tradeoff for sitting in front of the computer is not worth it.
Sorry for your jobless. Take a few days off and clear your head. Make a list of what your strengths are and look for a product company to apply those skills. Next wave of employment will come from product companies and not a giant corporate.
I would like to be a P.M with 4 yrs of experience in testing.. The reason why i wana be a P. M is comfortable for me rather thn sitting and testing....Being a senior i really appreciate ur valueable inputs...
Whatever be your age. Be relevant to company's business. Being nice, working as a team etc are noticed only if your performance is relevant to organization. Else it is treated as show by management
Job applicants are more in India than the jobs available. Managers prefer to hire a less experienced guy because of the less billing rate with extended working hours and on weekends etc. High experienced guy's billing rate will be high which affects the margin. So they recruit one guy with high experience and a bunch of developers around 5 years of experience. So more work is done at the cost of less billing rate, this also increases companies margin. When there are a bunch of developers available in the market for less pay why do they need 40 or 50 years experienced guys, even if they need how many they take ? So for 40+ guys it's hard to get a job in the Indian IT unless they work for peanuts. Of course few Indians are reluctant to upskill but not everyone.
It is misconception that Managers are superior than developers. Both are different skills and both have equal importance. I saw are managers are more worried to save their job than technical people as they are easily replaceable. When there is a change in higher management managers are first at risk. If you are technically strong Managers will be your friends to get the job done. Also here in US developers get more pay than their managers.
At this point I am hoping that even if I am to survive in IT by 40, I will be able to have decent savings for the rest of my life. I am 32 an currently saving 70-80% of my salary, not planning to get married and thankfully don't have any loans. I don't have a technical bent but manage to complete what is assigned to me withour breaching deadlines. One day at a time and hopeful.
In India age matters a lot..whatever you do younger generation don't get along with older generation. They simply cut you off by showing readymade respect 😅😅
Well, the advise that one day you will get old will not fly. I would explain the incentive rather - why should I manage a Sr person for my own benefit. For example, when you represent a team that has sr people, you get noticed for your capability to manage diverse people. Open comms is a fantastic point, so is respect the role .
The technology is shifting quickly and also the expectation is double compared to the last decade. The most important factor is that the employee size is shrinking year by year, as companies are finding ways to reduce the human labor with automated tools. So overall, do not pitch your career directly with IT sector and acquire some domain knowledge along with IT skills as an option to excel in other sectors, like manufacturing, production and retail sectors. The IT sectors may not sustain as a favorable job sector in future due to the growing trend of AI and automation. Unless you are a expert in technical problem solving skills do not rely on IT jobs in future, even if you are a fresh graduate. IT jobs are not for every one.
I have seen people at 57 are functional analysts and even developers. All these things might be true in some parts of India, where people are more authoritarian esp. young guys who become project managers and managers start thinking they are heroes and try to belittle old aged people esp. those who have average looks. Once a person ages his ability to take complex work goes down naturally esp. those roles that need to work 16 hours due to project pressures and weekend work stresses them esp. after COVID issues it is getting worse.
Good information Anand. You have highlighted all the points. I think so young managers have to include skill, will matrix while accessing senior employees which would give more clarity. Also I feel only in India discrimination happens based on age, sex etc..which puts us on the backfoot and which is really bad.
Aged people are highly experienced in multiple technologies. CEO s must remove younger unscrupulous leads who have no team commitment. Also seniors may make a parity in their salary with juniors. May not ask for high salaries.
It is extremely unlikely for a 35 year old manager to hire a 50 year old software engineer. That's the real reason IT workers have an expiration date. Nothing else matters.
You know what ....actor started career at 20 or 25....still they are actors but they expertise in take parts in all directions, edition, production, advertisement, management....so. Enjoy the work at any age Actors at age 50 to 70😊
Your video is good as per how the industry has changed in modern days. We all are miising the Basic point that the senior guy is not given the right role and junior people given better roles due to various reasons. We cannot just take an excuse saying the role is given to a person based on performance. The senior mgmt need to wake up and seriously think & act now. The role need to be given based on experience and not just given for other reasond . It is not followed these days in India.
47 year developer in UK, team has older devs 60+, no age bar for learning or role here.Was working in Bangalore till last year. Yes there expectation is not same.
Sir I am in intial years of career. So I want to know is it possible to move to UK/US/Europe for job without studying there ? Also not everything gets the opportunity to move to UK/US/EU , in that case what should one do ?
There are 2 things... skill based industry and experience based industry... if we are in skill based industry ageing is an issue and we should make money before 30 and retire
Im 45 years old I want to change to IT I practice Python religiously bcoz I like it and I want a job I dont want to do freelance . Im self employeed my whole life.Can you suggest my steps to get hired as entry level
What is important is adding value . If a person adds value he should be in the team . Hence it is important that everybody develops skills and competence and the decision of taking a person into a role or a project is based on skillls competence and attitude rather than age
If you are reading this I need one advice from you, rn I work in Capgemini after working for 2 years in this company as an Analyst in Middleware technology (webMethods) I understand that here one needs to constantly keep on updating knowledge and after 2 years of all this chasing I want to be somewhere where either things are predetermined/ moving slow so by September 29th my job role in Middleware is going to end after that where should I go for that "Predetermined work environment or slow phase job role" where my daily activities remain same so I could study for other exams.... please please kindly advice it'll really be helpful
@CareerTalk unfortunately, aged people have to accept junior roles due to scarcity of managerial roles. I strongly suggest by my personal experience that do not degrade yourself by choosing a lower role for the sake of survival. This would impact the future career. A project manager should think of program management but not a Sr. Developer for the sake of survival. This is not the case of acceptance or ego but case of self respect and future endeavors.
sir, is this been heard by it companies too I tried to change my domain & improved my skill in my company but nobody is willing to give me opportunity to grow, I have been sent to remote locations & harrased by my colleagues too
Thanks for video. But mainly older people, the issue starts from the beginning itself, e.g 15 + years experience don't get selected for projects itself. How to tackle this?
Assuming you live in India, there are 1.4 billion people in India. Even if you consider 1/3rd people of working age, there are as much people as the whole population of the US! The reality is that there just AREN'T as many jobs in the world. Chinese youth (recent college grad) are sitting at home jobless. You need a change of mindset. Nobody owes you anything. Either you are one of the top contributors in your domain or you chose to be a generalist. Top contributors don't ask such questions. Sorry for being blunt.
Working with older is the worst thing many company can do, and they destory the career of younger one with their ego centeric opinions. I've this seen this first hand in couple of company big or small, I've worked for FAANG too. For small companies, the older acts as weed. For larger companies, usually there is too much experienced staff which nullifies the effect of 1 or 2 ass holes. My advice will be if you are joining a small company & have this experience imbalance, do not join. I am 30+. This ego personality is more prominent in Indian old developers.
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40 year old developer from US. Actually, I am the youngest in my team. My boss is still a developer/team lead and he is 55.
Awesome. Thanks for sharing this. Really appreciate it 🙌
Fk, I am trying to leave india..... people can't work in their late ages and companies are sub par on how they run compared to other countries
You are lucky.
Here in India we find it difficult to get work. I am 52 and still hands on. Have experience in multiple technologies. But when it comes to get work. It is extremely difficult.
@@sumitkumarroy2307 have u tried with lesser salary expectations....I only know one guy late into his 40s working but low salary...
@@sumitkumarroy2307actually most people do business and roam around world after their 45-50 age.
Especially in India, an elder working as an Individual contributor as specialist is sometimes considered as one who couldn't become manager in life or as unsuccessful, which is an orthodox thinking. While in the US and Europe there are several elder individual contributors who are specialists are very well respected and judged based on there rich experience. It's few Indians who need to change there mindset
100% true
Dude its not few Indians but ALL Indians that should change their mindset.
It doesn't matter, as long as your are skilled no worries
I totally agree with this.
Very rightly said
very good points I am 50 plus and worked with team 10 to 15 years younger than me. They are directors , VPs and team leads , PMs. All points you mentioned are excellent. Todays younger generation also one day will become older> Its just a matter of time.
If everyone focuses on delivery of task and keeps aside egos or differences it works out well.
Infact both can learn from each other.
Absolutely. Thanks for sharing your experience and reality 🙌
Absolutely
@@CareerTalkage doesn't matter I think, I am 35 and done MCA now preparing for software field. Please don't spread negativity and spoil our confidence level .
@@parveenbegum8979inspirational..that you are restarting at the age of 35 while others have given up till that time.. thinking that they are too old to rebuild
This is changing faster. With 2021-22 great resignation,packages in India went pretty high and it's real competitive now with abroad as well comparing living cost. Now people are looking for less managers and more techies 🙂. "If you aren't a manager by 40, you are an underachiever"- this is no longer applicable.
I once had to report to a woman manager in her 20s. She was younger to me by atleast a decade or so. She misunderstood my calm and composed nature as showing attitude and disrespect towards her when she was trying to micromanage me. This made it difficult to have a good work environment till the project lasted.
The wisdom the seniors carry is indispensable. Young and aggressive managers / techies need that wisdom at some point of time when they hit a block. Seniors are actually paid for the experience and wisdom they have gathered over the years of work.
Which age group do you belong to? Less than 40? or More than 40? Have you ever faced these issues?
i am 34 , the age bias is always their in IT.
Yes people do bias based on age gender and pay is not equivalent for all and expectations just get higher and higher as we age in IT .need to adapt asap to any situations
one person who doesnt need a PM role, even after 15 yrs of expnce, stopped talking to me ,after identifying me , as am having similar yrs of xpnce with that person! 😁
50+ and I have actually never had that problem, but in Sweden there is a huge demand for skilled IT people so companies are constantly trying to poach people from other companies, there is just not enough IT people to cover the demand, and experience seems to be very valuable as long as you do keep up with new things.
@@davidmartensson273please take my profile 😁
In my current team most of are 12 to 15+ years of experience. I am working as principal engineer in product based company in my 40+, recently moved to service based company due to acquisition by major client and all teams remain in same client. I got completed my major multi-year project at same time but product was totally different, I was helping current team on some technical issues and I moved to that team as it was consolidation and I know the team and backend stuffs,
but lot of learnings on frontend and agile process....but I am putting my efforts in learning new technology and deliverables. It is out of my comfort zone, but interesting to learn the technology.
Good insights! I am a woman who is very close to 40 from India... Recently I have started my career in IT as a developer.. I faced many similar issues in the company... Most of the employees around me were recently passed out students... It took a while for me to get adjusted and be a part of the very young team.. Didn't actually understand how to deal with few things.. Plus being a mother who started her career at this stage of the life especially in corporates is definitely not easy... Now that this AI is also taking over.. I am confused weather to continue in this field or not.. Please throw some light on this keeping in mind, the women who are trying to make a come back or who want to start their career in IT in late 30s. I find the market at present not that great..
I would say learn Salesforce.
I'm in late 30s too. The reality is people younger than you make judgement on you all the time, regardless of your behavior. What they don't know is they too will be in your shoes too when they reach your age. I think you're old enough to understand that, so do your best to ignore them. On the contrary to your observations for late entry in IT career, actually there's a huge demand in the AI for developers regardless of the age. Doesn't matter if you started late, you are still fresh enough to step into application development of application development. Being a mother and doing it is not easy, but ask yourself if you're growth is better off in a growing industry than a stagnant industry.
I am at 40 still doing lot of coding, hands-on building large scale systems as individual contributor and always eager, curious to learn new things, but I live in US, and I see a major difference while I worked in India when I was in 20's and working in US in 30's to 40, but one common thing I noticed in we Indians think that we shud be climbing the title/role ladder, but that's not true, gaining specialized skills and in-depth knowledge and soft skills from experience is the key. I have worked with peers who are 5-7 yrs exp who does the work at same level of complexity as I am doing, but the thing is acknowledge each other by learning key facts from both, accept that juniors can do better than us and learn from them, and show the wisdom and share your learning's from experience, another key difference is the depth of vision developed over experience which will bring niche value to the team if applied it at right time and guiding the team to the right directions. "Now that this AI is also taking over" - don't worry about it, instead see how you can use AI to improve yourself and increase productivity and keep yourself unique from team
@@commentatorxyz5514 very true
Just want to say that I'm inspired by you!
Developer at 55 in India consciously avoided senior leadership role. My teammates never get a feeling that I am old. tech leads who r not as skilfull, In every project, i first address their insecurity; especially if ur a top performer, you need to do that. All that client appreciation you get, give credit to teamwork and guidance of leads.
Just like in sports...age is just a number...those who want to stay relevant, will always unlearn, relearn and learn...those who have just followed the bootmarks of the bosses and never come out of their comfort zone will suffer..
You are doing a good job in bridging the gap in the IT industry. Hatsoff!
Glad you found it helpful. Thanks for sharing this feedback 🙌
Usually people over 40+ pursue MBA and settle in Leadership roles like Program Manager, Associate Director - Delivery, Engagement Delivery Lead, Portfolio Delivery Lead... I have observed people over 40+ are very strict with every team member busy with client calls, talk very limited, dress professionally .. Everyday they need tracker about user story tracker.. this is how they maintain..
It was true even 5-10 years back. But it is changing. I own a small IT company, but do hands on coding as well. I do trackers, presentations etc. too, but the market is slowly valuing resources who have vertical skills rather than those who just know how to manage people.
MBA in which stream?
@@madhus9555MBA is useless! Stop thinking that education is a ticket to stability. Education has been over sold. All the big businesses in the world were started by people with little to no education background. Be responsible for yourself and don't expect people to give you a job because you have a three letter acronym on your resume. Don't take it personally but people with these degrees come and throw their weight around in an org and create disharmony.
Very well said Anand. These guidelines should be followed in letter and spirit by all age groups. IT services industry is highly getting saturated and surviving after 45 years has become really a challenge. However, it's good that there are multiple streams of income now. I am touching 40 now
Please elaborate on the multiple streams of income
Hey is it for managers also?
This topic is the need of the hour. I think you've struck a chord with many of us. Most of us are in a dilemma: Will people in their 40s who have learned new technologies be accepted for jobs at technology companies?
Age is an issue, more in India. But its silently there outside india too. Because 1 job will have thousands of applicants, factors like age , (useless) degrees etc get used in India more.
Age brings responsibilities so naturally higher pay expectations. Its obvious. A bachelor (of any age) can probably survive in much less.
Absolutely, you nailed it from the caption in itself.
See, let's us understand that IT industry is brutal today specially when Big Projects are involved and just like everything projects too cease
IT industry is as the nature of business is grey matter led
The integration needs to be very smooth or a safety network has to be built
Keeo this program continued with such pain points .
Wish there were 5 more hours in a day .
If you are up to date and an experienced developer in IT your project Manager will treasure your insights and expertise so the real issue here is your ability to contribute to the team and how you work with others
In India we still look for more work instead if quality work.
That's why seniors are disliked
More work vs Quality work. That's an interesting perspective 🙂
@@CareerTalk Indians are not doing much innovation rather menial work. That is the factor companies go for cheaper juniors.
Particularly during recession time, the ones in this age group are under trouble, thanks to the higher package and smarter juniors.
Well said Ratheesh 🙌
Huh smarter Juniors? Smart at words not at work. I have seen projects where code has to be entirely re written which are done by juniors. Juniors cant judge what's right or wrong to even copy paste from google.
I guess IT industry is quite confused with what it should focus on.. it feels matured 45 year person is old to retire now while 25 year old is too young to lead.
Actual age no one knows in the team unless someone has HR related access, it is just years of experience, 40+ need to be top of their game in whatever their core strenghts are :)
If you are not climbed up the corporate ladder in an managerial role in your 30's, you are seen as a failure, something similar to being unmarried in your 30s.
I am 52. It is extremely difficult to get work in india. Even though i have expertise in multiple technologies and is efficient, it becomes very difficult to find work. Many times after successful interview with a client, there will be no response.
So wht you suggest for me at 41 in IT company.
Is there any suggestion for us who are in early 30 @sumitkumarroy2307
The inevitable has to come to everyone, until we change our mentality. There is a song of Nachiketa in Bengali "sobar boyes hobe 80".
I have seen in US a person of age 75 still working. In a project in Oracle I have worked with a person in UK who started his career in 1986 and still going well. Age is not a problem but the mentality is.
I have good knowledge on DW, EAI, big data and BI and machine learning and is fluent in all the above subjects. But still many younger generation finds it difficult to get me in the team. I left a organisation just for that. In client interview I showed them from management to devops delivery,but still not considered in the project. It was a new product development from scratch. That means blueprint designing. You have to accept it.
Build yourself in such a way that the IT world have to look for you. I started learning bigdata when no one heard of it. Same with EAI and BPM.
Now a days I am preparing my self for attending tests in UPLR, turing, crossover, and so on. They are tough interviews. I scored in interview in Toptal, but due to bad network the viva got smashed. These are all contractual jobs. But you have to be open.
@@deepakkumaar9665Don't take other's opinion, it varies case to case person to person
@@deepakkumaar9665join politics
EGO is more with Younger people than Old people. Younger people THINK , they are more intelligent than old people hence they got promoted to leadership role . This leads to EGO.. The true intelligent people are respected irrespective of their age -- I have seen very young people are highly brilliant and very humble as well .. Too many times OLD people are expected to solve major issues even though it is not their job as they are individual contributor in the team. Its really tough for old people in IT industry .. Old people should develop " LET GO " attitude very fast ..
It's true that in Germany, age in one's 40s and 50s doesn't matter as long as job requirements are met. In India, however, many companies believe that older people are trouble getting into their culture
Thanks for sharing Ranjan. Do you work in Germany?
Rajan - In Germany, they get time to read each CV and experience. In India, try putting a job advert. You will get thousands applications.
We have superiority complex here in India.
Favoritism , closeness to the super boss etc.. very very important in IT industry .. As one person assessing another person , biases are natural based on cultural / regional / gender preferences etc.. Now that IT is filled with ( more than 50% in many places) DIVERISTY people of one gender and they also get old .. It is really fun to see large section DIVERSITY people at age group of 50 and how they treat their Younger DIVERSITY generation and more modern people .. Its going to be fun going forward ..
Unfortunately this is happening in every industry 😢
Well said Sir!! All points are perfect!! However, I was lucky to get sensible junior team members/managers. It's the older managers who create big trouble. They are stereotyped and prejudiced. Very hard to work as an individual contributor with older managers especially when you are equally old. The younger ones are doing better when it comes to treating seniors sensibly in their team.
Not at all
I don't think it has anything to do with the age but it is more to do with the kind of involvement you show at workplace. I have seen both side of coins. There are people who after a certain age stop learning and usually try to avoid any new challenge given to them. The problem is with such people. The Learning should never stop. If you are learning and being vocal during team meetings, most of people will actually respect you for your wisdom and knowledge.
First time i heard about this issue it means we have to accumulate as much wealth we can before 40 and need to invest in higher income returning assets.
Age doesn't matter in IT. If you are competent enough to do your job, you will be acceptable. The problem is when you cross 40-45 years your brain seems to slow down and can't work as fast as when you were 25. So you have to work extra hard to break that barrier. If you can do that you will survive.
Another thing is the salary. As you grow senior you expect to be paid more. But one should remember that the salary hike should be with respect to his/her performance and not with the respect of his/her seniority in the organization.
So, the bottom line is stay competent.
you dont need to work 'fast' in your 40s, work smarter..understand that..and experienced people ten dto work with more wisdom and poise..youngsters cna also get distracted and tend to be less organized and less mature
What a false theory….no by 40-45 yrs your brain will not slow down by any means.
i work in Australia. Nobody cares how old are you. All they care is how good your quality of work. If you are a good programmer/manager/BA, they will respect you. Age has no significance specially in this work from home kind of setup.
All thing are spot on shared in this video. But one thing plays a major role hear is - India is primarily service based market, almost all product development and ideation happens in USA or other developed countries. As result of that we have of be on toes to deliver on a high rate constantly which younger devs can do. So they delivery rate is will always be lesser that who is in 20’s or 30’s. There are multiple things going on when a person cross 40 like kids, personal health and many more.
I can add more to it.
Just shared my thoughts, may be completely wrong. 🙏
I just sgared
Sir, Video is good. However these challenges arises firstly as the experienced people are not given the right roles and young people are given better roles. This is not a good change when compared to the traditional approach. We cannot just take excuse saying performance is the key for role selection. My strong opinion would be that the experience need to be valued and given better roles than junior to fix this challenge permanently. May be need to go back to the old age traditional approach.
Feudalistic mentality or regressive mentality of average Indian is also one of the reason. The average Indian don't recognise even subordinates have self respect. Comparatively this is better in corporate sector. Also it is changing fastly in new generation in general.
Thanks for sharing your views Raman 🙌
I work in IT company in Canada, I am 44 and I am the youngest. My colleagues age is 58
Anyone comparing India with another country. First check the 1.2 Billion Vs other country's population.
For context - Uttar Pradesh population is more than UK+France+Germany.
I have lost my job today. Im 32 years old and writing this.
Im a Fullstack Developer, who though that computers can give me life. I learned it, putting my all in it. But the industry its hard 😢. Its alot of politics in the company. Indian Managers haunt you and suck your blood. Sorry for generalizing.
The reason why I got fired is, my manger deliberately did not provide inputs. Today I had to stand for myself and tell that I cannot progress without inputs. I was made to push commit right on the 4thday, Without testing. He did not provide me endpoint, even after asking to test. And finds fault with it after the weekend.
Hard reality is its problem with IT, its problem with over population. I worked in Kitchen too for part-time, its though place too. They make you run.
Endpoint: Life is hard.
I cant imagine my position growing old. Please pick a profession which is lively, something related to nature. The tradeoff for sitting in front of the computer is not worth it.
Sorry for your jobless. Take a few days off and clear your head. Make a list of what your strengths are and look for a product company to apply those skills. Next wave of employment will come from product companies and not a giant corporate.
Working in India itself is a pain in the ass
I would like to be a P.M with 4 yrs of experience in testing.. The reason why i wana be a P. M is comfortable for me rather thn sitting and testing....Being a senior i really appreciate ur valueable inputs...
Best wishes Sravan 🙌
@@CareerTalk thanks for your wishes... But i would like to know the is it worth to be a P. M and if yes, wts the steps.. Please let me know
Why don"t you enjoy your life after 45 ? rather than sitting infront of the computer everyday
Pls dont spread negativity. Keep a positive mindset, hard work and move on.. Age is not a major factor your knowledge matters
Very relevant topic, logically presented and intuitive advice - it is a 2 way street.
Ansnd Sir, this one was just in time. It's really insightful..thsnks for sharing and also helping me shaping my career. Thsnks a lot
Glad you found it helpful. Best wishes in your Career Journey 🙌
Whatever be your age. Be relevant to company's business. Being nice, working as a team etc are noticed only if your performance is relevant to organization. Else it is treated as show by management
Job applicants are more in India than the jobs available. Managers prefer to hire a less experienced guy because of the less billing rate with extended working hours and on weekends etc. High experienced guy's billing rate will be high which affects the margin. So they recruit one guy with high experience and a bunch of developers around 5 years of experience. So more work is done at the cost of less billing rate, this also increases companies margin. When there are a bunch of developers available in the market for less pay why do they need 40 or 50 years experienced guys, even if they need how many they take ? So for 40+ guys it's hard to get a job in the Indian IT unless they work for peanuts. Of course few Indians are reluctant to upskill but not everyone.
This is one of the reason because of which I escaped from India to west. In west, nobody cares your age, all teams have many old age people
Good point to consider for everyone
It is misconception that Managers are superior than developers. Both are different skills and both have equal importance. I saw are managers are more worried to save their job than technical people as they are easily replaceable. When there is a change in higher management managers are first at risk.
If you are technically strong Managers will be your friends to get the job done. Also here in US developers get more pay than their managers.
Very beautifully put! Thanks
At this point I am hoping that even if I am to survive in IT by 40, I will be able to have decent savings for the rest of my life. I am 32 an currently saving 70-80% of my salary, not planning to get married and thankfully don't have any loans. I don't have a technical bent but manage to complete what is assigned to me withour breaching deadlines. One day at a time and hopeful.
I work in a team where senior developers and testers are going to retire in few months. Its common outside india. In india its not..
Best way to get respect from junior's is to help them in critical task
In India age matters a lot..whatever you do younger generation don't get along with older generation. They simply cut you off by showing readymade respect 😅😅
Well, the advise that one day you will get old will not fly. I would explain the incentive rather - why should I manage a Sr person for my own benefit. For example, when you represent a team that has sr people, you get noticed for your capability to manage diverse people.
Open comms is a fantastic point, so is respect the role .
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Appreciate it.
The technology is shifting quickly and also the expectation is double compared to the last decade. The most important factor is that the employee size is shrinking year by year, as companies are finding ways to reduce the human labor with automated tools. So overall, do not pitch your career directly with IT sector and acquire some domain knowledge along with IT skills as an option to excel in other sectors, like manufacturing, production and retail sectors. The IT sectors may not sustain as a favorable job sector in future due to the growing trend of AI and automation. Unless you are a expert in technical problem solving skills do not rely on IT jobs in future, even if you are a fresh graduate. IT jobs are not for every one.
Always try to become your own boss start your own business
Very true. This happens in mechanical industry as well.
Many 25-30+ yrs old guys become IAS/IPS.
Everybody has to follow him irrespective of their Age.
All can't become manager.. they need individual contributors
Thanks a lot for this useful information
I have seen people at 57 are functional analysts and even developers. All these things might be true in some parts of India, where people are more authoritarian esp. young guys who become project managers and managers start thinking they are heroes and try to belittle old aged people esp. those who have average looks. Once a person ages his ability to take complex work goes down naturally esp. those roles that need to work 16 hours due to project pressures and weekend work stresses them esp. after COVID issues it is getting worse.
Good information Anand. You have highlighted all the points. I think so young managers have to include skill, will matrix while accessing senior employees which would give more clarity.
Also I feel only in India discrimination happens based on age, sex etc..which puts us on the backfoot and which is really bad.
I am 25 in a team of 40 yr old folks 😢
Hi Haresh, In that case you should focus on learning from their knowledge and experience 👍
Aged people are highly experienced in multiple technologies. CEO s must remove younger unscrupulous leads who have no team commitment. Also seniors may make a parity in their salary with juniors. May not ask for high salaries.
super like for the topic you covered
Thank You
I worked for one of banking us client. I was working with 55 yrs old software Engineer and most of them were 40+ yrs old
Young IT genius are in movies but reality is upside down , bro .
What you are saying is virtual .
It is extremely unlikely for a 35 year old manager to hire a 50 year old software engineer. That's the real reason IT workers have an expiration date. Nothing else matters.
Manager and humble. Akhri Pasta from Houseful be like: I am jokiiiinnnngg :P
You know what ....actor started career at 20 or 25....still they are actors but they expertise in take parts in all directions, edition, production, advertisement, management....so. Enjoy the work at any age
Actors at age 50 to 70😊
I did same 5:16 and manager pushed it back. And no my style wasnt aggressive but people became insecure including my co-workers
It's only because of quality of work. People here don't gain valuable experience that would make them indispensible.
Your video is good as per how the industry has changed in modern days. We all are miising the Basic point that the senior guy is not given the right role and junior people given better roles due to various reasons. We cannot just take an excuse saying the role is given to a person based on performance. The senior mgmt need to wake up and seriously think & act now. The role need to be given based on experience and not just given for other reasond . It is not followed these days in India.
Why does anyone have to give you anything? Are you that useless that you cannot carve out an industry for yourself? C'mon man, grow up!
well said sir..
Thank You Chandra Sekhar 🙌
excellent!! video!!
Well articulated
47 year developer in UK, team has older devs 60+, no age bar for learning or role here.Was working in Bangalore till last year. Yes there expectation is not same.
Sir I am in intial years of career. So I want to know is it possible to move to UK/US/Europe for job without studying there ? Also not everything gets the opportunity to move to UK/US/EU , in that case what should one do ?
This is applicable only to India...
Ok
There are 2 things... skill based industry and experience based industry... if we are in skill based industry ageing is an issue and we should make money before 30 and retire
really useful sir👌👌👌. Please make more videos
Thank you, we will keep going. Appreciate the motivation 🙌
If you are working in IT sector for 20 years and havent amassed enough to retire by age 45 than you should quit anyways and join the finance sector
Wonderful advices
Everyone need to ensure there is no bias of any type and ensure inclusivity for all irrespective of any temporary or permanent disability.
Absolutely 🙌
Why? Because things are not in your favor?
Im 45 years old I want to change to IT I practice Python religiously bcoz I like it and I want a job I dont want to do freelance .
Im self employeed my whole life.Can you suggest my steps to get hired as entry level
Humble
What is important is adding value . If a person adds value he should be in the team . Hence it is important that everybody develops skills and competence and the decision of taking a person into a role or a project is based on skillls competence and attitude rather than age
Things are not as that simple. It's complicated.
If you are reading this I need one advice from you, rn I work in Capgemini after working for 2 years in this company as an Analyst in Middleware technology (webMethods) I understand that here one needs to constantly keep on updating knowledge and after 2 years of all this chasing I want to be somewhere where either things are predetermined/ moving slow so by September 29th my job role in Middleware is going to end after that where should I go for that "Predetermined work environment or slow phase job role" where my daily activities remain same so I could study for other exams.... please please kindly advice it'll really be helpful
40 yrs is not old. People in 35-45 age group in fact are the most dependable associates, Younger lot lack a sense of accountability and quality work.
@CareerTalk unfortunately, aged people have to accept junior roles due to scarcity of managerial roles. I strongly suggest by my personal experience that do not degrade yourself by choosing a lower role for the sake of survival. This would impact the future career. A project manager should think of program management but not a Sr. Developer for the sake of survival. This is not the case of acceptance or ego but case of self respect and future endeavors.
Your perspective on what could be a reasonable age for retirement in the IT sector?
Please clarify my doubt is it hard to survive in IT industry between 30 to 40
sir, is this been heard by it companies too I tried to change my domain & improved my skill in my company but nobody is willing to give me opportunity to grow, I have been sent to remote locations & harrased by my colleagues too
very much useful video.
Thanks for video. But mainly older people, the issue starts from the beginning itself, e.g 15 + years experience don't get selected for projects itself. How to tackle this?
Assuming you live in India, there are 1.4 billion people in India. Even if you consider 1/3rd people of working age, there are as much people as the whole population of the US! The reality is that there just AREN'T as many jobs in the world. Chinese youth (recent college grad) are sitting at home jobless. You need a change of mindset. Nobody owes you anything. Either you are one of the top contributors in your domain or you chose to be a generalist. Top contributors don't ask such questions. Sorry for being blunt.
Working with older is the worst thing many company can do, and they destory the career of younger one with their ego centeric opinions. I've this seen this first hand in couple of company big or small, I've worked for FAANG too. For small companies, the older acts as weed. For larger companies, usually there is too much experienced staff which nullifies the effect of 1 or 2 ass holes. My advice will be if you are joining a small company & have this experience imbalance, do not join. I am 30+. This ego personality is more prominent in Indian old developers.
That why ppl leaving IT industry and focusing on govt. Jobs be it any role
What about teaching in colleges?
@@Ashish-ss5nt Best in govt job. No transfers and highly paid.. I mean well paid.. some provides quarters
Mostly an issue in India and Service companies.
Thank you