We Need To Talk About the Diablo 4 Expansion..
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
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Lets get everyone scared of a $100 price tag so when it comes out at $70 we can rejoice at how generous our masters are.
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This pretty much, there's also a reason why they throw at you $30 skins, so when they give you 2-3 hours of content for $70, you're gonna be happy at how based they are. They clearly have the manpower to make the game great (this was proved time and time again by games that were made more complex with smaller teams for a cheaper price), but they won't because they don't give a shit about their community. That's the harsh truth.
They don't care if you dislike their decisions, they market it to the casual player that doesn't do research. The moment their majority playerbase is against them, they will throw a bone here and there, but until then, they don't care.
They are out of their minds if they think someone is going to drop a Benjamin for a game that barely splited even after very shaky launch and first season...
I’m waiting for it to be free on gamepass. I don’t care if it takes another two years.
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Tired of paying 20$ for a 3.99 mcdouble. That is what blizzard has become.
To be honest, it wasn't blizzard who did Diablo 2, nor Diablo 1. It was Blizzard north - which vanished with WoW and Blizzard never recovered.
True that. We'll never know what their D3 MMO was going to look or play like either. After that it became all Team 3 and we got the trash that was D3 release and D4.
If you understood anything about industry you would know that doesn't mean a single thing and isn't a factor as Blizz north still had same bosses and investors , Blizzard north was a thing because rent for building was cheap 😂 JFC why are gamers so ignorant 😂
@@DarkepyonX "had same bosses and investors". well good thing it was a different game designer and crew else we'd not have gotten D2...
absolutely right.
This!
I work in games. One of my coworkers used to work at Blizzard as an engineer. He's very good at his job. He likes to say "Blizzard makes really good games for a company that's really bad at making games." What he meant is that there's just so much red tape and cruft and making things by committee that it takes forever to do anything on a game like Diablo 4
That's facts,lol. 😂
I also work in games, over 10 years. After watching just a few Dev vids and playing the game myself, it was very obvious they are a Design by committee project. And this is the exact kind of thing that can happen with that approach.
Design by committee. This needs to be discussed. I'm not a dev, but I ghostwrite novels/books for clients, and I can definitely say that the "writing rooms" popularized by Hollywood are also not great... A singular vision needs to be present and a strong hand at the helm or things just go sideways, IMO.
@@chiekokurokumo In my experience, this is the most successful way to ship a product. Without that guidance, there are many pitfalls a game can run into despite everyone's best intentions.
Really Good Games that dont earn Awards, That nobody Plays at all....D4 maybe selled but it will be the Last who is selling...A Company is in the surviving Mode and dont understand that you cant playing with Players Feelings.....
still want my money back for this game and they want 100?????
No they dont (not yet at least)
I still haven't got my D3 refund...they told me it's in the mail and that was 11 years ago.
Right?
You wrote that like you are gonna oblige and for them your 100
The people working at these companies determine whether a game is good or not. The people who made D1 and D2 are not the same people who made D3 and D4. This isn’t complicated.
$100? You’re making it easy for me Blizzard. At best I’ll wait a couple of years and pick up the expansion when it’s 80% off after I get my fill of PoE2.
I said the same thing about Starfield: Bethesda had eight years, unlimited budget, an proverbial army of developers and most of their R&D provided to them by the modding community, and what we got was the minimum legal definition of a game so the executive staff could legally retire.
Move aside "Minimal Viable Product", it's time for "Minimal Legal Product"
LMAO. Listen, just because you didn’t like Starfield, doesn’t mean it’s a bad game. And just because you put minimal effort into the game, doesn’t mean it was the minimal legal definition of a game.
meanwhile gamers enjoying small games like lethal company.
I really enjoy Diablo 4 but I played Diablo 3 for years and enjoyed it too so ig my opinion doesn't matter
so, a distraction to allow some to cash out and bail from their financial vehicle while it crashes and burns.
edit: par for the course, in the age of excess, fraud, and fraudulent excess.
Being upset about Blizzard fucking everything over is like being upset it's gonna be night again at the end of the day.
I'm so glad he said "PoE isn't a game for everyone, but it is THE game for the players that enjoy it" that's so fucking true, and its why I love PoE so much, it feels like the game was made for me.
Also as Josh strife Hayes said in one of his videos "if you try to make a game for everyone, you make a game for no one" and I think thats 100% true
You can literally say that about any game of course it's true lol. It's essentially saying, Ice cream isn't for everyone, but it is for people who enjoy it, ofc it is lol.
@@DeathRecon you're completely missing the point of both his statement and mine. The point is people love the game, not just like it. It's about the scale of enjoyment, and the percentage of people who love it vs just like it.
I can assure you the amount of people who think Ice cream is the best dessert on the planet is far fewer than people who just think Ice cream is good.
@@Chocolatnave123 PoE has had more players each year than the year before for at least the last 5 years, and that's not counting them adding console players. So they are adding new players.
Also a game doesn't even need to add more players as we can see from WoW which has been more profitable in recent years than it was when they had 12 million players. You just need good monetization
I disagree u can make a game for the majority of players will like. Lot of simple changes PoE could make that would bring in so many players that they refuse to do
100% its become the only game i genuinely care about besides my card games…
I preordered diablo 4. Then i tryed the beta. My first reflex was to cancel my preorder. So glad it worked and dodged a bullet.
It's weird to me to see hundreds and hundreds of videos about how a game sucks or the company is garbage or any combination of those things and then subsequently be like "welp time to buy it". There's a difference between a track record, and subjective opinion. Sometimes people get what they paid for, quite literally. If you continue purchasing things from companies known to have a repeated set of behaviour then I'm not really sure what else to tell ya.
similar thing going on with the onlyfans debacle. the majority of people find it incredibly demented to pay for pictures that girls sometimes would just upload on their ig, yet a large enough minority spends a gigantic amount on that therefore onlyfans is prospering
yep, complains over complains but the companies getting stupid rich xD It's like micro transactions. People seem to hate it but the dollar is rolling down the throat of the companies. Hypocrisy is real.
@@blackwater4100 well, those are whales. They don't care if the game sucks. They just want a game to burn time and look cool while doing it. I haven't bought a Blizzard game since 2012
It's not the streamers that are the problem, it's the dumb consumers. Obviously streamers are going to buy it and play it, duh, it's literally their job n they don't care whether it costs 100$ or 1000$ they're going to buy and play it so they can show the viewers what it's like. Doesn't mean they can't give their opinion about it either, they can say 100$ is ridiculous and still pay the 100$, because it's literally their job. Now a dumb consumer who complains about it being 100$ and still pays it, now thats the bad part. Just remember, streamers don't keep these companies alive, they don't even have a huge impact, if someones going to buy it they're going to buy it no matter what the streamer does. The millions of consumers who pay 25$ for a mount are the ones keeping these companies alive, and they're also the ones that allow the price to get pushed to these ridiculous levels. Usually a expansion is 30$ for a triple a game, yet for blizzard players it was 60$ now 100$, really shows how much Blizzard players are willing to put up with. Some of the most resilient and dumbest consumers out there 👏 as bad as the destiny 2 players who spend 500$ just to have the full game, not including pay to win. I'm glad I never got too into MMOs, almost every single playerbase of an MMO is just a money farm for the company.
@@Kratos-eg7ez gold rush feeling for companies. It disgusts me how rich companies get on the consumers stupidity. absolutely ridiculous. Thank god we got praised tih BG 3 this year. What a shimmer of hope that was!
if you look at the people who work at blizzard now you would not be surprise they made such a safe, unimaginative game.
Doesn't matter how "old" a company is, if the best people leave.
Amen
or stashed away during a companywide alligation controversy
One of the worst concepts that came from World of Warcraft was that you need to make content mandatory so that it’s fun and people are engaging with it rather than finding Easter eggs and fun stories out in the world because you just went out and played the game and explore the world, and found really neat pieces of content, hidden out in the world for you to find.
Thats why I appreciated Hollow Knight a lot more. So many bosses can be missed if you didn't went out of your way to explore and they literally only exist (alongside lore tablets, equipment, etc) to make the world feel more alive without making it mandatory.
Diablo IV isn't competing with POE from 10 years ago, it's competing with POE now, it's a completely valid comparison. Besides that what stopped blizzard developers from learning from it? Theres been grim dawn as well, titan quest too. Like what, they completely ignored it and pretended it doesn't exist so it's ok? What a load of shit.
I mean even Last Epoch copied the memory map system from Synthesis league, and I think if I remember GGG actually allowed it since that system never got into core, only the items are.
What stopped blizzard? What the white knights REFUSE to accept even though past developers from the company have said it, "Blizzard" does not exist anymore, and hasn't for a long time. All of "Blizzard", the real talent that made the past games that made "Blizzard" a legend are all gone, what this is now is nothing more than a completely standard issue Activision studio, nothing more, nothing less. Activision game studios are just completely bland corporate game developers that rush out whatever to print money off nostalgia and addiction, that's it, that's what they focus to feed shareholders and it's been that way for a long time.
D4 turned out the way it did because it was nothing more than a corporate nostalgia profit project that had in and out developers shuffled back and forth with no real set team in its ENTIRE development. It's had, what, minimum 3 lead creative directors at this point? God only knows how many interns worked on the game as was rumor hinted anonymously for a long time, much less how many other developers of it got shuffled in and out constantly. PoE, by comparison, that YES, does IN FACT have plenty of problems and bad design choices of its own, but that being said, it's an astoundingly better game because by compare to a generic corporate studio, it was developed by an indie studio of developers who actually WANT to make good games, and let's not forget some of the leads around there and where they came from.
PoE2 looks light years ahead already, because they took this core of developers, and added gigantic funding to go all out with a game, and we're already seeing what's coming with that just from the little teasers here and there already shown of PoE2. It's truly sad the state D4 is in and how it turned out, but honestly, what was to be expected? It's not a game built by passionate game developers for gamers, it's a standard issue corporate product made to print money off nostalgia, and that's what we see both from the D4 launch state, and this whole full price expansion fiasco.
Just wanna shout out Last Epoch here, officially launches w final 2 classes in like..February? Really cool middle zone between diablo and poe
@@johnb8132o hey someone else lol
@@ThePolarpop It's a great game, lots of potential, unfortunately it is a bit of a buggy mess and kind of annoyed me last time I played. Clocked in 100+ hours and played 2 builds, it was fun gearing. Don't get me wrong, it is still ways ahead and better than what D4 has to offer. Hell, even Hero Siege 2.0 Season 2 by this January 12 might do better than D4 lmao
In my opinion paid expansions are never really worth even 50$ (especially in a game with microtransaction+battle pass). The problem with new expansions is that not only you have to pay to get them, but you are also basically losing your previously bought content as it becomes outscaled and outdated. Basically think of wow or hearthstone. When TBC came out you aren't paying as much for TBC content as you are paying to basically keep playing the game on relevant stage. And for hs its even worse since your older cards get moved to the wild and new cards and decks are just stronger. And if we are talking about wow, this is on top of a subscription.
How is blizzard planning to bring me back to the game? A $100 expansion.
Bro 😂
Or 5 to 7 discounted games that are far better
Expansion isn't 100$ That survey was debunked as reddit bs
They'll make a concession to the players "last minute", and sell it at the LOW LOW price of $70. Many schmucks will be elated.
maybe the expansion is exclusive to the nintendo switch?
My biggest gripe is really just the dam loot. Spend more time looking over my loot than I do playing the game.
the stats on the loot is just useless overall, barbarian, you just need itemlevels and health, casters just needs mana, any extra attributes don't even function, it's faked stats
it's one thing to not respect our time, it's another thing when a company don't respect our level of intelligence
Me watching every single Diablo 4 video, knowing full well I never bought it.
It's like watching a car crash you weren't involved in.
Lucky they never gave me my money back and I really wish I could get it back
@@banhammer3904 same tbh lol
Yeah, more fun with these Dumablo 4 vids than playing game.
I'll buy it when it's a 70% off bundle in 5 years
It doesn't matter how old a game studio is when all the people that made it great are gone.
Thank you. Most, if not all, of the people who worked on D1, D2 and WoW are gone. The saw the writing on the wall when EA bought them out. Blizzard of today is NOT Blizzard of 20 years ago.
True but companies do have ways of retaining and recirculating knowledge from older projects.
I hate when people say POE has 10 years of development. Than WTF has Diablo been doing for the last 20 years? Diablo and Blizzard has been around much longer than POE and Grinding Gear Games..
WoW, SC, HS, OW among many took a lot of resources I suppose.
Part of me wish Blizzard would just have a team focusing only on Diablo as their career and passion but sadly that’s not the reality of a company the size of ActBlizz. Focus shift and developers get shiffled around due priorities.
This is the blindspot people develop while making the comparison to GGG.
@ronniejz2697 Given how much money they have, they could hire a team if they actually wanted. They have some of the biggest franchises in the world, and they get shown up by a studio with one game.
PoE has 10 years of ACTIVE development. Diablo 4 did not have that much active development. It was probably a project tossed around between various smaller teams who kept scrapping and restarting it.
Diablo 3 was all but put into maintenance mode when the real money auction house was removed. Blizzard is basically new to the ARPG genre except for a D2 remake.
Guys talking about money and manpower, but didn't they have something like 3000 people and rumors it took over 500m to make?
I played Diablo and Diablo 2 when I was younger and was super excited when D3 finally came out only to be hugely disappointed. I am very happy that I didn't cave and buy D4 even though I had a lot of peer pressure from the people I've played games with for years. I hope that other people will have the strength to not give these companies money to beta test their games in the future.
I was hugely disappointed by Diablo 2. The team had already lost their way. Every system was awful. The story was extremely poorly told and totally illogical given that Act 2 violates its own logic and could not take place the way the writer claimed. And the story is a trash video game story. A video game story must revolve around how the agency of the player's character resolves the drama and NOT about the writer's characters talking to each other and carrying out the story by themselves. And the game mechanics were awful too.
Diablo 3 fixed the problems that made me hate Diablo 2.
I also played Diablo 1 and 2 when I was younger... we'll just say that D2 was played a LOT... but I wasn't disappointed by D3. I've sunk over 1000 hours into it and still go back to it from time to time. D4, however, I regret spending a dime on.
@@GeorgeMonet Yeah, D3 improved the story a lot! Do you remember Cain dying to those butterflies? That was awesome! /s
On a serious note, D3's story and endgame are horrible!
edit: the itemization and the "skill tree" are awful too.
edit 2: the art direction is bad.
@@GeorgeMonet Worst take in history, bravo.
Same here brother. Glad to hear others choose to vote with their wallet as well. Good thing we have so many other good games to play :)
Deleted this game for lack of content. Re-download and played it for season of blood. I was excited for Azur. Then deleted after I kept getting one shot in NM dungeons. I watched a few Azur runs and guess what. Most of them were also getting one shot. Realized I was wasting my time and deleted it.
An expansion should be about 29.99 or 39.99. That's an expansion price.
Diablo 4 was the best thing to happen to GGG and PoE2 due to it's absolute lack of creativity, innovation, and overall variety, lest we forget tiny walkable areas in most every area of the game. Huge open world is smaller than walkable area in Act 1.
Totally agree!
diablo 4 is very good for the first 100 hours, which is alot more than other modern day triple a games, starfield is just never good
Fortunately for GGG and unfortunately for us. GGG doesn't care about POE anymore and is focusing all his energy on POE2. League after league, it is the same story for the past 2-3 years : no testing done and if lucky, they will have the league fixes 2 weeks after release.
@safesafari4806 I enjoyed the main story in diablo 4 but once season 1 took me a couple hrs I got bored and haven't returned, probably 90hrs in game
As opposed to 10,000 hours on D2!
Baldurs gate was made to be a good game that makes money.
Diablo 4 was made to be a game that makes good money.
Stop giving the latter your money.
Maybe I am just dumb as a pebble but I fail to see what D4 is offering that would cost more than 40 bucks. The game is already overpriced. Imagine paying full price game for something that has a single player story mode that you can only play online. Blizzard is a clown 🤡 company
and they are thinking of selling an expension we can get a better game for free
Ain't it funny how there is an assumption that the Diablo 4 expansion, actually, is going to provide significant amounts of content to justify that price tag. If your charging more than the base game I would be expecting as much content than the base game, but that isn't likely to be what you get.
This is exactly the thought that I had when I heard they were charging for the expansion. If history is any teacher (and it always is) there is no chance that this expansion is going to have even half as much content as it would need to justify the price tag.
I still remember the "its an 8 of 10" rating from asmon... that went down fast af when it was a solid 6 or 5
even 6 is a littel high, 5.8/10
@@vuton7670you went .2 lower….
@@ryanbaumgart9837you're right, that's not enough
It is 2/10 for me
Just no no for me
You made D2--a masterpiece of gaming. Look at how many people play D2R to this day. It's like D2 is the Mona Lisa and D4 is paint by numbers.
They didn't make d2. All the people who did are looong gone
And 3 is the true masterpiece imo
Was not at launch but fixed by this time in 4s life
@@ronaldtilley4936 as shit as D4 is, D3 was kinda trash until 2.1 (greater rifts and legendary gems), which was 25 months after D3 came out. People tend to look at release of RoS with rose tinted glasses, but at first there was nothing to do in RoS but bounties and spamming T6 rifts, most legendaries were shit and aside from a few outliers (Marauder's, Jade Harvester) so were most sets. Even then things didn't fully pick up the pace until around Season 3, 35 months after D3 came out.
@pm_me_ur_gluons spamming things and repetitive if we are talking about that d 1,2,3,4 all does it. People look at d2 with those rose tinted glasses as well and thinks there's more stuff to do than d3 and 4. I put 3 as the best because I like alot of stuff to do without a mmo type grind which is what 4 is. A ftp grind for a 70$ game and d2 is too repetitive not saying its a bad game but d2r vs d3 I can get way more play time, but hey it's just my opinion and my opinion just like you have yours. Atleast we didn't get ugly (yet) lol
As long as there is a rush to “review” games soon as or before they release, we are going to continue to see people praising games and giving 8 or 9 out of 10 for shallow experiences and empty promises. Then realising how shallow and bad the games actually are. It’s happened twice in a short space of time now Diablo 4 and Starfield and will only continue to happen.
It’s about access to content. It’s the exact same with access media in Hollywood. They’ll write puff pieces about bad movies or series because they know that it gives them exclusive access to pre-release content which gives them an advantage over other media/creators who aren’t in this club.
That’s what these guys are: even in the face of a horrible game they lied to us and simped for it because they were being paid to do so. Either directly through sponsorships/ad deals or indirectly because it generates clicks/engagement on their channels.
everyone knows it, but we need to start outright stating it
Any early access media is going to be bias and it should be ridiculed if presented as any other way
You’re not going to be truly objective if you want to continue your relationship going forward
A game like Diablo 4 is a reviewers nightmare though. Like, as an experience for a casual gamer? It's probably a good game to play through on a couple characters. Maybe it is worth that 8/10. IDK. But with an IP like Diablo, where people like me have fond memories of years and years of enjoyable gameplay - I could tell Diablo 4 had nothing to offer an hour after installation. ARPG aren't judged on how adequate a hack'n'slash engine it has, how decent the graphics are.
At the end of the day, the loot tables are really all that matters. How the game drips you power, how much is achievable, etc. And Diablo 4's drip was rotten, cancerous.
It's not about making quality content anymore in hopes of finding an audience and improving your lot in life. It's about shareholders buying IP's and needing returns on that investment and hiring a bunch of diverse people to look good on social media. And maybe they are happy with the situation? They probably sold a ton of copies.
Asmangold is kind of hung-up on bossfights though. It's not about bossfights. It's about how enticing the power drip is. Mob difficulty is a part of that for sure. IDK. Things have changed. I don't want to be an angry boomer.
Any kind of cash-shop, even cosmetics, just kills a game for me. Cosmetic stuff matters too. That genie can't be put back in the bottle. So I don't know how I can move forward with any game where you equip gear in all honesty. I put together a sim rig this year, because I'm so disillusioned with it all. I'm having a blast playing VR automobilista 2/iracing/AC/ACC. I can't believe the experience you can have in 2023 with a direct drive wheelbase, a steel rig, a quest 3, a 7800x3d, and a nice leather seat from the autowrecker.
As long as people keep voting games like Baldors Gate 3 as GOTY, you'll continue to get GARBAGE
@@toaster3822 bad bait bud. Keep trying
I love how even one of the more approachable game mechanics in POE (Incursion) can still sound like a PHD thesis when explained out loud.
like how eve online works lol, to play both eve and PoE you need spreadsheets, a marketing degree, and to be in the field of mathematics to progress, love these kinds of games that requires you to have a brain, and use it
@@GX-105Dno. No you don't. PoE is really straight forward, with the exception of trying to do crazy builds or top end meta crafting. All the other mechanics are pretty easy to understand. Like legion. Kill stuff, kil it again, collect loot. Incursion - kill stuff, unlock rooms in temple, run temple. Collect loot. Sure if you want to be ultra efficient you need to know every detail of the mechanic, but that's the stuff that makes PoE have that bit of wonder that very few games have anymore. The feeling like, no matter what, you'll never know everything.
@@JayBigDadyCy never said it wasn't easy to understand (for me)
I learned my lesson with Diablo 3. Won't give Blizzard a plug nickel more, nor have!
For the brine king, i used to find him annoying, until i realised you can afk throughout most of the fight and not get hit by the lightning. What makes that boss hard is panicking
Changing over to clicking instead of holding left click will help alot in that fight too
28 bosses in Diablo 4
100+ bosses in POE 2 Alpha
I'm sure they'll all be unique, just like diablo 4s 100+ dungeons
They actually are and will be. Ggg does NOT have a history of lying about these things. Everything weve seen so far, and every boss shown so far, even regular boss for a leveling zone has more mechanics and tells and depth and strategy than all of d4's bosses. Its not hopium with ggg, they absolutely know what theyre doing. I promise you that. @DeathRecon
even they aren't totally unique, i bet at least they'll have greater differences than d4's, remember merviel the poe1 act1 boss has more mechanics than any d4 bosses
I have plenty of games in my backlog and I rarely buy new games. If I buy something I'm probably waiting for a sale. Lot of games getting released unfinished or broken. Unfortunately I bought D4 on release thinking it was going to be good. I liked the story, but didn't feel compelled to continue afterwards. I started doing the sidequests to unlock paragon points. When they announced that were would have to grind them out again for the next season made me feel devastated. Felt like I was just wasting my time. Going for slightly better loot seemed like an endless goal. Too many dice rolls means the odds are stacked against you.
5:50 we have d2 remaster which is best game that come out from blizzard in last 10 years
6 skill slots is unbearably simple.
I just can't get over the fact that the only reason we can't have more stash space is because some genius thought it'd be a good idea to make all players have to load all other player's stashes creating a massive amounts of database queries. Like, what in the f.... I just can't. Until that is fixed, all the free expansions in the world wouldn't get me to play. It's laughable.
I'm actually curious if this was the case for D2/R. I also find it comical that Blizzard continues to use the button layout/restriction for D4 as "playable on console" when D2R gives 10 buttons (if I recall correctly). Imagine being 1-up'd by a third party vendor for your own damn IP
I agree, it would be very easy to make a special game mode to login to the special warehouse server where lots of shelves will store your gear collection. And it will not affect adventure game mode, because it's separated.
That said, i somehow feel that it was just an excuse and might not actually be the real reason why they do not want to give the players more stash space. Blizz prolly just does not have a better excuse (or even any reasonable explanation at all). I mean who in the *$%!&* would think that there is even a purpose or reason to constantly load everyone and anyones entire stash just by being on the same screen.....
I still refuse to believe that is the real reason for the limited stash space. It just can't be. It can't. It surely is not.
@@rorsie Of couse, it's not real reason. Let's take PoE for example, they sell stash space tabs, and there is no problem with game playing. But PoE is F2P.
Diablo is a full price game. Every extra megabyte of the user's data is pure loss (to put it simple like subscription for dropbox). Even if diablo developers thinking of selling extra stash space they want to sell it for good money. I think, they just cannot decide for how much to sell.
I think the issue with the cash shop existing is that they still reserve some of the more unique or best looking armor specifically for the shop. There should always be more things being added to the base game for free. The amount of looks in the base game was so limited at launch imo.
2/3 of shop items can drop in game , I have pieces from 11 sets and 8 mounts and 6 mount armors all from shop I got from drops .
They want to sell with a box price, but they want to act like it's F2P on the rest of the monetization. It's typical Blizzard abusing their fan base because they know they'll hang around.
@@DarkepyonX Me when I lie: >:)
@DarkepyonX the cosmetics in the shop can't drop in game, what the hell are you on about?
@@DarkepyonXimagine lien 1 day before 2024 about Diablo
They will charge you 100$ to get the update that “Almost” finishes the game.
Season 1 (60$) - Shit game with 50% of the shit not even working
Season 2 - Bug Fixes
DLC (100$) - More Bug Fixes
Biggest problem I have is gear slots. Previous iterations of diablo had bracers, belts, and shoulders. This includes Immortal. The weird part is that the cosmetic visuals appear to include said items. Seems like those gear slots were removed only to be added back at a later date locked behind a pay wall.
Ami me rompen los ojos la lectura de los aspectos
@@kevinbeyleolivares5552 Deberías consultar a un médico para eso.
D4 bad ... Said it all and its BAD to see anyone expecting anything else in the future. No sane person will pay 100 dollars for the D4 expansion. Asmond and few 100 twitch users might... But the rest... just like me - will wait for the 60% off.... It's already 40% off now for the main game... See you in 2025 XMas .. Ye I know D4 BAD FAILED
Copium, 90% of player base don't even finished d4 world tier 2. Imagine them don't buying expansion for a game they already play
the problem I have with diablo is that hitting enimies doesnt feel impactful, yeah seeing big numbers is cool but its missing the weight or imapct for it to be actually addictive. Secondly, the bosses are just normal mobs with big health bars. There is no feeling of accomplishment after beating a boss. i doest require you to even pay attention. its good for going throught the story once but after that, its quite boring
Diablo IV was so depressing. I beat it because i bought it. 6 at best.
Same... Bought the ultimate edition at 40% discount and only finished it because I felt I had to... I'll probably not play it again and they can shove that DLC.
the fact you bought the game alone is shameful. you people never learn
@@martinlatour9311 come on man, that’s not fair to say. D4 has a passable campaign experience. Just because the longevity and depth of the game is shit doesn’t mean people should be shamed for buying it. Be reasonable
GGG started up when Blizzard changed direction.
EA is the shining example of this. Madden is released every year and gets worse. I think they say that like 2012 was the last good one. Throwing money at an already rich company seems to only make them worse. Because when they know they don't have to work for your money, they won't.
I think that a company like Bliz, that after 30 year of making RPG games,which is not willing to create a save and load button for the 225 paragon board points, or a wardrobe manager, an ability point saver or a solid item manager in order to be able to check in an easy way the various items stored, and possibly to easily organize them....well, this tells me that they are simply not caring a fuck about the players. The save and load buttons are even older than Diablo I think. Everything in this game looks like a way to dilute the gaming time. It's an overall poor designed product and blizzard used us gamers as beta tester, again, and the game is frankly pathetic. 10 years of development, 30 years of experience....and the result is this? Time well spent I say, congratulations. Your idea of end game is the blood gliph? I swear that in order to have an idea like that, in a game like this, after the story Blizzard has a videogame company, you need to be a poor i d i o t or simply a scammer. Blizz: at least pay us to test your games. Be fair.
In my country, Diablo 4 costs $280. The expansion will cost $500.
The problem is as soon as you feel like d4 isn’t providing enough for you anymore, you don’t need an expansion for d4. You need to start learning PoE.
yeah but tencent
Will start calling ARPG's "PoE Like" instead of "Diablo Like".
Diablo 4 Season completely wrecks POE. Thats just my opinion though.
$40-50 for an expansion would be alright, if it provides that much relative additional content when compared with what the $70 game SHOULD HAVE BEEN on release. So we'd need something over half the size of D4 once it's brought up to the level it should have been on release. Thing is, the expansions usually don't add that much. Not to mention, my biggest concern would be them deciding to put some of the necessary fixes IN THE EXPANSION. So hey...$120 to get the game D4 should have been on release day for $70.
a big price to pay for a d3 reskin.
D4 is 10000times worse then d3 sorry to say.
Diablo 4 is the new game people want to love. But force themselves out of copium to love but just sucks anyway.
I haven't bought a blizzard title since 2016. They've been trash for years, and I refuse to give them top dollar for subpar products and woke idiocy.
By that lens. PoE is the rebellious zoomer far more successful, than their senile "parent" gotten greedy.
That sounds a lot like Starfield right now
@@S2pidMediaYeah last game I bought was WC3 Frozen Throne, which was like in 2007, the games have been trash since. The whole WC universe has been retconned into a worse state. They even retconned Warcraft 3 to be a bad game in real life
@@Antares-rt5ub dawg at least we can mod starfield to become a good game. D4 is not fixable by community mods
Sry Blizzard, I just spent my money on the expansion at the Poe Shop. It felt so good. RIP D4
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people will still buy it. Thats the problem. If people didnt buy it they wouldnt sell it. You say this till youre blue in the face yet people still buy it.
Theres no stopping it. Just quit complaining about it.
After they've bought it 45 times and its been the same slop every time I don't feel bad for them in the slightest. It's the same thing every time some garbage comes out and people lap it up like dehydrated dogs and then cry about how the water is ucky like idk what did you expect this time it will magically be different? It hasn't been different. Where's the proof that it's ever going to change? I don't get how people even come to the conclusion of "surely this time will be different". It never has been or at least hasn't been for longer than some of these people have been alive
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Did you just try to tell me what to do?@@twkizme
Key take away for me from seeing D4 is this is not the same company that made d2. POE-2 will lead this genre
D1 and D2 masterpieces.
D3 and D4 Sht on a stick.
D1,d2,d3,D4 is Shit compared to Hellgate London/TL2 Synergy 😂
any time a live service game comes out and the main focus for updates is FIXING the game instead of releasing new content, is a time where I don't buy or refund the game.
i was there when the strength of man failed
Disagree about the shop. Its the core of the problem. It takes to much priority away from making a good game and it takes good loot out if the game to sell it for money.
if the expansion was free, Itd still be too expensive.
Time is our most valuable currency
In Path of Exile, you choose your end game. You tailor it for yourself. Think something too complex, don't do it. There are bunch of End Game mechanics that are for people who don't have time to learn in depth stuff.
As someone who played all the betas and had fun doing it, I can say I am 100% glad I refunded the game on pc and Xbox during the “early access” period🤣 was a great game for that period of play time but as soon as they were throwing out big changes and nerfs during the “early access” I knew this game was going to be just like Outriders and I wasn’t getting burned again👌
So you missed the entirety of changes and improvements 😂😂😂
Simple problem:
PoE builds: you can create something that decimates entire screens of enemies. You can create a build where you stand AFK and kill everything. You can create a build which crashes the game (at least you could do that earlier). You can even make an on-death build. And the best part is your character gets faster as you progress.
Diablo 4 "builds": you can use your abilities with different flavours to kill things. What's the point if a class is effectively a reskin with some tweaks that make them either superior or inferior?
The only way to fix it is to use heavy referencing, basically acknowledging that you failed as a developer/gamedesigner. And Blizzard are some proud mfs (that's why they almost never listen to the community).
And from what I saw D4 is worse than Torchlight Infinite (which is mostly p2w, but had poe mechanics to some degree).
Still not sure about Diablo IV. I need Asmon to rapidly raise his eyebrows another 3456 times a second, stare off into the distance 2367 times and cast a sideways glance at a ghost 5689 times before I decide.
I still remember the first time when we played with three friends Diablo. We needed to learn little bit of networking and how to used NetBEUI protocol to be able to construct local LAN, which consisted of three computers so that we could operate together in one game...
Still remember playing D1 and knowing each of the 4maps per level, and others would wonder how I knew where all the mobs/exits were.
I still remember how d1 levels were generating at least somewhat random so you knowing where all mobs/exits were every time is bullshit. You can certainly get good at guessing but 100% of the time? I have serious doubts unless you knew exactly how it was coded.
@@Maibuwolfbig mad
@@Maibuwolfno. Its the same here. You get a sense for the semi random generation. It just mixes different set pieces in certain orders. Played that 2000h and almost always know where to go. But i guess you mean it ultra literal.
I mean, the maps were small 40x40 areas and all the quest locations were static pretty much. It's not a big flex lol.
The maps generate on a tile system. So you can get a good feel of where to go. But no you can't know ahead of time, as in memorize a map
Just bought the biggest edition of remnant 2 + dlc's for 40€, best thing ive done. Solid game compared to d4
There is a majority of people who don't go on Twitter or don't go on UA-cam that will buy this expansion no matter what. Blizzard is aiming for that demographic
$100 D4 expansion is almost as much a "kick in the teeth" as having to get a D3 expansion to play the Necromancer....which should have just been in the base game.
A full price expansion plus an F2P style system is what pushes it over the line.
My wife and I were super excited for Diablo 4. We sunk a ton of time into 3, and really had fun with it. At launch of D4 we played through the entire campaign and ended somewhere in the 60's. We then logged off one day, uninstalled the game, and never returned. Instead we played through Grim Dawn. D4 added so much trash to the game, while forgoing fun innovative gameplay. I played a druid and felt I was smacking enemies with wet noodles, and had a miserable experience. I've heard that D4 has gotten better since launch, but there are new games to play, games we missed that we can play, games we know we love that we can revisit. Its hard to return to a game that we honestly hated even with the good news about it. Then on top of that we get news like $100 expansions, and whale fishing surveys.
asmongold never admits when he is wrong
If a better game like PoE is able to give so much quality content away to players for free, while they engage with the in game store if they so choose; then D4 and Activision can absolutely do the same with whatever shit they are thinking about putting out
poe is good but lets not pretend it is free. the $30 stash tab upgrade is 100% required to play the game mid-late game. still, half the price of base d4 and 100x the depth.
Who knew personal opinions meant you're lying.. what a time to live in.
that's why in court they say be careful what you say, it's how you get accused of lying
This guy just said Diablo 4 needs to be like Path of Exile..it really dose not. It is ok if it's it's own game.
I think we need to bring Last Epoch into the discussion, if only for the fact that its systems are intuitive and accessible (for the casuals), while still maintaining depth and complexity (for the grognards)
LE is a good example but it’s also a game that hasn’t even been released yet. PoE really wasn’t complex when it came out. It had the skill tree and also the gem system which was “a new concept” for skill system in a game but it was far from complex. I still miss the days when PoE didn’t even have personal loot much like Diablo 2. Farming docks was the endgame 😂
I’m sure LE will get alot more complexity after “10 seasons worth of content”.
To me, the crafting system is what makes LE pretty cool. And it has grown significantly since its early stages and gotten ALOT more indept and complex with LP, tier 6-7 affixes and new crafting functionality. It will certainly get more and more complex.
Diablo has a history spanning back to '95.
POE has a history spanning back to '07.
One was a company--the other was an indie studio. 'nuff said.
13:35 - The Brine King is nothing like Uber Lilith. If you walk into the waves, you are punished with a cold DoT effect and it ends when you return to dry land. You get enough of a warning to move out of the circle. Also, the arena has a set size in the first part that keeps you from leaving the island anyways. You just need to pay attention to the ground with the Lightning seals and pick him off swiftly before the fight drags. The only real fuck you is Tsoagoth blocks a part of the arena with his model and the Water Barrier spell can shred you in seconds if you are stupid.
On Maps, you simply be aware of what affixes you are doing it so you don't roll something you can't handle. Uber Lilith's problem, by the looks of it is she has virtually no tells and you are punished for screwing up since it's instant death.
I was just going to say that you can absolutely make a character in POE that can survive walking out of Brine Kings Circle almost indefinitely. I have not seen any way for a character to do the same in D4 with Uber Lilith. Shoot in POE, GGG had to Increase the damage of Uber Shaper Beam, because 500k DPS Was Not enough to kill some characters.
Uber lilith has tells.....
Every time you die to some BS, it tells you that you have died.
In all honesty though, there are tells, but the timing of them is so short, that a playee can not react to them fast enough to avoid. Additionally, the one shot mechanics are way too frequent and often times cover the entire playable area. As a necro, you can use bloodmist to become immune for 3 seconds, but good luck getting the cooldown on the skill to use it again 2 seconds later.
idk uber lilith is without a cheesing or op high end meta build quite a brutal encounter, i just don't like the bad and imprecise visuals on the wave, oh the wave hit me, although i was 20y in front of it, oh it didn't hit me while i was dodging right into the middle of the hitbox... that stuff is annoying af and bad design, apart from that one of the few highlights of the game. i ve started to play POE 3 months ago, and it is so much better, at least from the content and endgame, combat and graphics ofc are more sophisticated in D4, but nonetheless i am hyped for POE2
The entire world of diablo 4 consists of doom and gloom with mud and rocks. Unless you're in the Desert, everywhere else in Diablo 4
It's mud and rocks.
About expansion prices, Cyber Punk's Phantom Liberty was $29.99. The base game is only $10 less than of D4's base price.
I think D4's expansion should be no more than $39.99 and have like higher prices for the more "collectable" or extra "DLC" cosmetics bundle expansion. This way they can get people to buy just the expansion and still scam people to pay extra for "more" things.
Thats the way, in fact PL is a masterpiece. Im sure this DLC is going to be pure shit
the entire game is a scam. they already got you for $80, they know most of you are in too deep and will spend the 100 (or 60 when there is a "sale").
Love that someone brought up brine king when that bosses barrier is specifically built in to the boss fight as proper mechanic AND a story showcase of his power ovr water.
Its nowhere near Lilith or a certain someone's mom having death barriers because "we just do lol".
I hope D4 expansion is $500. And I hope Blizzard keeps doing what they're doing. I just want to watch the TEARS. Lmao.
The Family spam was genuinely wholesome.
Uninstalled Diablo 4 months back - best decision I made (worst is buying d4)
D4 side quests are actually really good.
Its a shame was hyped for d4 been a fan since late d1 played loads of d2 and d3 was terrible at first but become more fun after years of free content saw the price and after tge fall of blizzard gave d4 a pass so glad i did but was so hyped for another diablo 😢 glad i didnt waste +£100 on it
i loved d3 at launch it was bloody hard, very low drop rates of anything, hell they even nerfed the core arret run casue it was getting like 5 legendary an hour, then they started adding a 0 on the end of every damage number over and over
Not a fan of commas are we
The only thing I dislike about Diablo 4 which isn’t exactly the game’s issue, is that it’s an online game requiring PlayStation Plus (I only have console atm), yet another blizzard game, Overwatch 2, is completely free to play online as much as you want. I’m not paying 80 bucks, regardless if it’s for a year or not, just to have access to a game I want to play that I could play freely on a PC. This definitely has pushed me towards the “master race.”
I think this explains it for me. 10,000 hours in d2. 500-1000h in d3. 50h in d4 and hated my life.. 8000+ and going in poe. I still go back and play mods and stuff in d2. also play d2r. I dont know how they made me hate d4 as much as i do.
Oof, you are getting close to that 99 cap on d2, right?😂
why tf did you play d3 that much?
@@lucrative6477 well kinda easy when you played little now and then. but played most before they remade the game and removed AH, was earning beer money xD.
PoE 10 years, Diablo 25 years experience, what did we get in D4, shit.
diablo 3 after reaper of souls was much better and easer to get in to then poe but yeah you also get board much quiker
If I pay 60-70€ for a full game, I expect the expansions to be around 30€/year since the amount of new content and new game mechanics they add is less than a full game. With 100€ I rather buy some new AAA games than single expansion to D4.
Based on what Diablo 4 was at pre-launch, at launch and up until now, there is simply no way that the expansion should cost a 100 bucks, unless we get 3 new classes, we get a map that is even bigger than the one we have now, more world bosses, a story that does not take 6 hours to complete only. I also firmly believe people will quit playing D4 in the next 3-6 months, because playing a game for over a year with the 5 same classes and the same grind fest, becomes quite boring eventually, especially for a game as D4. It should be equally fun to play those 5 classes, however there are only 4 viable builds and no class is has a equally great build. Barbs are the strongest whatsoever then comes Sorcerers, Necromancers, Rogues and Druid, that ain't fair. I would also love if there would be added more Body customization options to all classes, like that you can decide how tall, small, thin or fat your character should be.. I Actually hate that Druids always has to be those big chunky 180lbs dudes, with more body hair than a bear, more options for hairstyles, make-up, tattoos etc. There should also be Unique Ancestral items, that has a legendary aspect which supports each of the ultimate skills a certain class can use... I don't need The Grandfather which turns me into a werebear as standard form, when i am going with a lightning storm build.
I quit playing before season 1. You're just wasting your time. Quit today and be free.
100% agree, this is the way. 100 DLC should be a fucking mass update.
Here's the thing, Destiny 2 taught the industry you can release your game from the base starting point with zero of your old improvements implemented, it will still sell very well, the fans will bitch but play, and your game will stay in the press as it improves. They get to sell you the same features as expansions over and over and stay in the press as they "earn back good will" and "fix their game". It's rather brilliant actually.
I would pay $100 for an expansion and there are probably many out there who would too.
PoE2 Doesn't only have more bosses than Diablo 4, PoE2 Bosses are more than even normal mobs in D4!!!
As Asmon said, some of us don't have the time to invest to learn to play POE
I don't have much time, but I still enjoy the game. Personally, I learn over time if the game is worth playing.
Just find a build guide for a build you think looks fun. If you're following a guide it's not any more complicated than Diablo Until end game.
PoE won a BAFTA award for best evolving game... i've played PoE for the last 8 years and each league is a new joy that hook me to the game again and again
I just got to echo Lilith and didn’t know going outside the circle was instant death. Then I still get one shot by something that I can’t figure out. And why does Lilith drop potions when everything 1 shots you?
Honestly unless you plan on working towards like an S tier end game build don't even bother lol. It took me like 2 weeks to kill lillith.
Having so much pain with Lilith with my Infiminist Necro for several weeks, then killed her first try with ball lightning sorcerer in my team. I guess it’s almost impossible to kill her with non meta build which is annoying
Isn't the player base already at an all time low, wouldn't it be cut even further by forcing people to pay for the expansion to keep playing?