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- Will DiаbІо 4 FAIL because Blizzard devs have NO CLUE about DiаbІо 2!?
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When he called D2 "The greatest game of all time" I kind of suspected that objectivity was already thrown out the window.
It would have been better if he said it was the best the genre has to offer to this date.
It might not be the greatest game of all times, but it's the greatest diablo of all times for sure 🙂
No game has a larger percentage of its playerbase saying its the best of all time though lol, anyone who played like pre 2010 thinks its the best game of all time. Its an opinion like saying pineapple pizza is bad...technically its an opinion but uhhhh thats just gross.
It’s an objective fact though
that's an objective statement
D2 players: "diablo 4 is so repetitive"
Also D2 players:"watch me do 1000 Mephisto runs"
What he didn't really articulate, was that D4 is repetitive even while simply playing through the campaign. D2 gets repetitive in the end-game, sure, but it doesn't really feel that way just playing through the story like D4 does due to the dungeons. Sure you can skip the dungeons to some extent, but it doesn't feel that way since they're often the subject of the side quests.
I'm not a D4 hater, but so far it feels like mostly a D3 clone (and I loved D3 so its fine).
@@Charmander_R27 true, I had so much fun and struggle before I get to the endgame contents where it get repetitive grinds
Idk, D2 act 3 is an absolute slog to get through. I dread every second of it.
@@Charmander_R27 bro what the fuck are you talking about? It’s a few hours worth of campaign that is basically the same exact shit with a story and really doesn’t even have any “dungeons” it’s just the same boss rooms or tombs runs you go into with no actual randomness baked into it, it’s just a bunch of premade maps it cycles through that you can immediately tell where to go once you’ve played it a bit. Diablo II is unarguably the most repetitive stale arpg there is. It was amazing for its time but it’s long past that time and it’s trash compared to current days gaming. There is nothing special about the campaign and I would strongly argue as someone who absolutely HATES d3 that d3 campaign is way better than d2 campaign. And if you want to talk about d4 campaign well you haven’t even played it. You might have slammed the beta hard a few times of course it’s not gonna be exciting when you play the same 1 act 5+ times back to back within 2 days. The fuck? D2 shill logic is insane.
@@benjaminghazi787 and D4 there's even no randomness, just like D3 clone of run through hall ways with less crowded monsters, there are some interesting quests but the rest is basically you run a looong way to the objectives marked on map - like every modern game out there. D2 has it charm as somewhat like Dark Souls of ARPG, first time you play it, you can die every corner when you open a door in a dungeon, you don't know where to go beside the description on your quest that you need to look for on your own, because you have no hand-holding like modern ARPG - just like how Dark Souls still success despite being indifferent to other genres
Hello. One note about level randomization in Diablo ( that is extremally old feature btw ):
- fully randomized levels were already in Diablo 1 ( well, almost - that is from existing room layouts )
- Diablo 2 gets pseudo-randomized levels with predesigned themes, and actually this is more advanced feature that allows to keep better control over the theme of the level. Generally speaking, it is harder to make randomization that will keep specific pattern than full randomization :)
I wouldn't call having a list of premade tilesets rolled randomly to connect to each other "fully randomized", besides it's called procedural not randomized.
I remember each 'tile set' had the exits/mini dungeons etc in totally different places, but after doing runs for a while you could memorize which way to go just from the entrance location.
This is why I like Project Diablo 2. Updates every season: new items, new affixes, new endgame maps, new bosses, good trading system (recent). They also added 3Dfx, so the game runs in good resolution and 60 fps. There's a lot more to PD2 than just farming tombs/pits or whatever
There are so many awsome mods since 2001 that really built on the base game around the time blizzard stopped creating any new meaningful content (1.10). There was a great private server called D2 Maniacs where Median mod was first hosted, along with many other amazing mods. PD2 and POD have just built on this baseline set by previous modders, but have done a great job of balancing the game further and giving great endgame content.
I remember i played d2 mod called eastern sun and i still havent found better arpg
This dude’s nostalgia goggles are on so tight it’s cutting off circulation to his brain.
😂😂😂
@@Crazybamby36 I think the man has his brain removed before making this video.
100%. Pointless video with glaring bias, to top it off with horrible examples and comparison.
Like every D2 Neckbeard basically if they take the glasses off they probably die, or get a aneurysm in their Head.
I tried playing D2 resurrected and couldn't stand how tedious the inventory management was. I also played the Baldur's gate Dark alliance series recently and that's aged a lot better imo. I didn't play the original D2 so maybe I would have had a different experience with D2R if I had.
Some guy on his video said this:
The reason Xtimus is not partnered with Blizzard is probably because he was banned for botting and RMT, then tried to cover everything up by banning everyone talking about it
who knows, knows
Xtimus is not a good person. There's a lot of videos of him floating around from the D2 days... He's incredibly toxic, narcissistic and has a massive superiority complex.
Hopefully he's changed over the years.. but the insinuations in this video really don't make it look like that.
To give an example, people who helped set up and were mods on his discord server were banned because they 'weren't interested in getting involved with the drama he was starting with others'..
@@mataric1157 yeah he probably hasn't changed much, this guy is giving off MAJOR main player syndrome vibes here.
He’s not partnered with anyone as he bullied a fan into suicide… well documented
Oh RIP, its the next QuantumTV, I haven't heard such bad takes since.
I play Diablo 2, love it a ton. Playing Diablo 4 now and still loving it. Good gameplay, I feel like I’m on an actual map and the story is great
but level scalling is terrible
yeah I agree the gaame is great !
@@djkidii Please expand.
lets just say diablo2 is godmode, diablo3 is stinky garbage, diablo4 is sunshine reggae
the experience is very subjective
I think the opposite is true with runewords - they have not yet added them BECAUSE they know how they work. Runewords in D2 killed 90% of gearing options. During levelling the focus was always to gain runes (countess farming) to create the must have runewords for chest, head, weapon etc. every character I made regardless of class or spec had to have a stealth chest (lvl 17 i think) which is then used for the entirety of the levelling process (for the most part). the choices of endgame chestpiece were basically enigma or fortitude runewords depending on what your class and spec needed. Spirit monarch was the shield of choice for almost all endgame sorc builds - etc. I had some really powerful unique items drop that would have been build defining for my character were it not for a runeword (grief) rendering ALL drops worthless. The endgame basically became a grind for runes to either use as currency for charms or to roll a new runeword. It became so that only a couple of items were of any use. This in turn reduced the value of the useless items to next to nothing so you couldn't even trade these extremely rare drops for any runes worth anything. Tyrael's Might - supposedly the rarest drop in the game - wasn't even worth a Ber (1 of the runes required to make enigma along with Jah which was even more expensive.) I found it was more profitable to use my horker barb to endlessly farm Trav - picking up all gems - cubing them to perfects and trading those gems for runes. (gems are used for crafting the bis Amulets). The other issue - without trade you are limited to making runewords only with runes you have found, the drop rates of the high runes would need to be better than D2 as in 20 years of playing I NEVER had a Jah rune drop. I had to trade mountains (like 1000s) of Gems to get the Jah rune for my enigma. With the ability to craft rares into legendaries, reroll stats on items, and have build defining uniques - where exactly do runewords fit in? Are they intended to be ultra rare craftables that rival uniques for the drop chance of the required runes? Are they to be overpowered levelling items? will the runes be tradeable? do they want runewords to eclipse 90% of gear choices? I think applying them to a season with the option of removing them the following season if they dont work correctly is a smart idea
Well said top comment tbh
holy shit wall of text
I loved runewords, but I have to agree it's unfortunate how they made most uniques obsolete. Especially those +2 skills sword and shield runewords were basically (if not actually) better than any unique endgame alternative, and I think you could use them from level 40 or even earlier. I remember those days before runewords became the meta, where you used actual uniques in lategame builds, like Grandfather or Eaglehorn. I'm honestly torn on this, on a principled level it is unfortunate (and arguably bad design) that one is clearly the better choice. On the other hand I really loved runewords the way they were. If I was to redesign D2 myself I would probably attempt to make them more balanced, though.
I don't think any of what you said was a bad thing. Gave you something fun to work on for literal years.
@@vincentserna9174 holy shit tiktok generation
As someone who's favorite game is also Diablo 2. This guy was so hard to listen to. He's making D2 fans look crazy and stupid. I literally wanted to pull out my hair listening to him. On another note, much love to you Asmongold. You are the man.
In some moments i feel a gap between what he say and what he want reach
@@PsiDebby Yo, I smell my own farts. B/c they're sterile & I like the taste.
@@PsiDebby I actually said this during the first 3 minutes of the video especially when he said he was unique and unlike other D2 content creators.
To be honest, D2 fans are crazy and stupid.. mostly cus they are fanatics.
They are operating like a cult, Like FFXIV fanboys.
@@ramonandrajo6348 Whatever, fanboy. XD
It’s kind of amazing how he was able to be so presumptive and wrong about his points while simultaneously not really making any points
Just curious thought, what did Asmon say to persuade you any different. This guy spends his whole life playing arpg..and asmon plays them for a week max once or twice a year and claims to have knowledge of whats good for the game. If you side with Asmon, you side with a casual gamer that will only dumb down your game. The video is really preachy and over exaggerated BUT don't you dare listen to someone like Asmon and his opinion on any kind of ARPG. Watch him play POE, he's the biggest nub in the world. It's so cringey and he has no idea what the fuck he's doing.
hilariously, too. with statements like "no sense of accomplishment" lmaooooo ok because farming a 0.00000245% drop rate is totally fun and rewarding! JK people just bought Ber runes for like $7.
@@db212006 sure here’s just 1: anyone who accuses the entire diablo team as essentially clout-chasing with nothing to support such an insane claim has lost the plot and is venting their emotions not constructing an argument from evidence
@@ramonandrajo6348 shaddup freak
@@MintBerryCrunch he just copy and pastes the same shot on every video and thread including the original videos comment sections. Literal autist
Your idea on how D2 maps are done is.. mostly right, there are different variants of it but most of the maps are only pseudo random with fairly predictable patterns. Durance of hate level 2 going to 3 as an example since mephisto farm is pretty popular, from the waypoint the entrance to 3 will always face counterclockwise to the direction the durance of hate 2 portal exits from, but sometimes the map will loop around on itself so if you're exiting the portal south you'll immediately head east but the actual entrance was to the west while heading east to the portal.
yup like enter the gungeon
never noticed. i heared most played with maphack
@@timopint1125 yeah most did, as much shit as companies get for bad anticheat these days..blizzard was so much worse lol.
@@timopint1125 Most of us did back in the day, but that was because none of us knew how to read the map pieces. After learning how to read maps properly I never felt the desire to have maphack when I played d2r.
There were nowhere near a majority of map hackers in public games at least.
It was really obvious playing with people who consistently ran straight towards the next area without ever changing direction.
Common to see for sure but way more likely to not have one in your game (EU server).
i perssonally liked the rarity settings and possibilitys in d2. had a stormshield, max block socceres that was tanky as fuck. you had charms and so many things that combined made you very strong. but most off all it was the item hunting. the tradeoffs from magic find and strength. and the need for optimization. you had players off meta, having insanly strong builds. physical damage reduction, block rate, block speed, magic absorb, reduced damage etc, all were really well balanced. and every class was differently strong. amazone & sorc were stronger, but an insansly equiped barb could deal with it.
and i think the one thing that made d2 people completly addictive was the adrenalin rush when an item dropped. not because it was a good feature, but because it felt real, direct and intense since others could grab it.
with d4 im not sure, what ive seen im just fearing the d3 parts in it. but need to play before saying anything about it
show me an efficient non sorc build without enigma.
so yeah balance is completely fucked in d2, spirit enigma, shako and grief juist to name the most used items in like 90% of endgame setups
the reason offmeta felt so much more doable in those games ist that they were mostly played at a time where people didnt look up or upload build guides on the internet nearly as much as nowadays. I play both d2r and wow classic, let me tell you my prot warrior was forced to reroll dps because paladins are better no matter if prot warrior can tank the content.
no matter what game people play nowadays the people have changed, even those old school ones will never go back to playing games the way they were 20 years ago
I think its wild when people say diablo 4 will be too repetitive and then proceed to do 600 mephisto runs or 200 pindle runs...i love diablo 2, and im excited for diablo 4. Rng can be a great thing but havin a real evolving endgame is bettee than farming all day to be able to kill bosses uve already killed, slightly faster.
@@francoisturgeon1176 its fun in its own way, but yea, super repetitive.
Then they’ll argue maps are randomly generated when they’re the same fuckin maps you’ve played 100000 times and can recognize them as soon as you step into the map and see which way it’s opening to
Or the campagin three times, people are delusional defending D2 and casting opinions off a act 1 beta of D4
@@benjaminghazi787 and they are backtracking af lol
Kinda why i like PD2, running maps is more exciting of a way to farm items than 1 shot content after a few days of playing.
Lord don't tell me that a D2 player didn't just accuse another game of being repetitive. LORD TELL ME. A D2 PLAYER. DID. NOT. ACCUSE. ANOTHER GAME. OF BEING. REPETITIVE. I was there brother. I was there in the beginning. I was there grinding for SOJs in the day. I killed Baal so many gd times. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. Lord, you better not be. I was there, in D2R, running Andy NM hundreds of times. LORD YOU BETTER NOT.
Why not? Still a valid criticism.
Oh he went into "your brain is a computer" therefore Diablo 2 is best...
I cringe.. because he reminds me of how I was in high school. It's so embarrassing. I don't think I can even finish watching this vid...
@@Deminese2 it's about hypocrisy, not criticism.
@@ramonandrajo6348 So that means you're not a true Diablo fan. XD
@@ramonandrajo6348 you might want to check out the comments on the original video
COUNTERSTRIKE 1.6, DIABLO 2 LOD, and WC3 FROZEN THRONE was the shit for an early 2000s teen.
Crafting was actually a huge part of D2. I remember chipped gem rerolling barb swords for BIS ed rolls... BIS amulets in D2 are in fact crafted. Also making alts to do charsi imbue runs to do a version of crafting a circlet to get BIS for sorcs and sins was a thing. That is a lot of crafting
You don't need half of that quality of items to do work in this game. You probably need like 2-3 BIS items to be at 90% of your power level. The rest is just details that don't really change much. I've cleared DClone solo this season 3 times with my Zealer pally, with 2 of those being with gear worth maybe 1-2 IST rune. Gear matters to some degree, but you really need so few of it.
Not to mention the hours spent gambling..
@BlackZanderPL I can make a jank smite pally with black and not grief ect. But in ARPGs, it's about getting "BIS" and upgrading gear. I also didn't say you needed BIS. What I said is that there was a lot of crafting in D2.
What is BIS?
@@OnBr0kenW1ngs I have done almost none of it during my 15 years of playing. It's NOT a big part of the game. It's OPTIONAL part of the game.
Here is the real reason- most of original Diablo 2 players are older (Gen X) and have watched what has happened to the video game industry over the past two decades. They have that baseline to compare, which makes things like Battle-passes, Microtransactions, Season-passes, mandatory online, account creating, and all the rest of the FOMO, money grubbing that much more disgusting and repelling.
Exactly that, but then i also earn good money and stopped to care about their greed. Im like: Meh, have it you needy sluts.
100%
thats not even what dude is primarily complaining about, hes got that diablo 2 purist brain rot and hates any mechanic that isn't directly brought over from diablo 2
those elements are disgusting, but that person definitely does not speak for all of us. I played ALL Diablo games... I played them a lot, now being 35 years old.
And so far I like D4, I'm just level 21 now, but I like it. In all honestly I did not hated even D3 (tough some elements there were annoying as all hells too)
I may not like those elements, but I have to either accept it or not play the game at all.
THIS
The reason Xtimus is not partnered with Blizzard is probably because he was banned for botting and RMT, then tried to cover everything up by banning everyone talking about it.
@@Xtimus I think the point being made is you were banned for breaking the ToS. Then by being banned that would be grounds for not being promoted. There may be other reasons like you not being active for an extended period or your reach not being as large as some others but to imply as you did that you are only promoted if you are in blizzard's pocket is disingenuous.
@@Xtimus Weren't you complaining that D4 is repetitive and D2 is always different? Now you are just grinding the same dungeon over and over and over in D2. All ARPGs are super repetitive. You complained about drops being boring and not exciting enough, but then complain that there is no trading for you to just buy whatever item you need without actually doing anything. I guess trading for things has more accomplishment to you huh.
@@Stavroization it’s kinda sad you had to break TOS to even play the game lol
Honestly a lot of these topics should be made into videos I mean. There’s so much detail and history to all of this I can’t explain it in one comment
@@Xtimus yeah, their methods for combating botting were fruitless but that's besides the point.
D2 has better balance in terms of leveling and monster difficulty scaling. Itemisation is also better and dosnt make you super hyper demolisher with floating numbers. Specific item give you specific skill addition that you can use as advantage like for example highlords wrath amulet used on ubers etc. The strongest and best items are made orcrunes and this is where the end game begins to get the best items you can made and to make them you need the rarest Runes dropped in game in order to increase that chance a trade system comes to side. I know botting, hacking, duping and d2jsp crap which kill it all but at least the community’s trading is there. D4 need work and re balance is different game but for now it should be called Diaablo 4 Dungeons and Dungeons.
The main thing I always appreciated in D2 over any other ARPG (including PoE) is the atmosphere that is created by the design of the maps and monsters and the incredible soundtrack. The general loot and item design is probably on par with games like PoE, definitely simpler but also in a way more elegant. There are almost no throwaway uniques in D2 compared to the 90% of trash you find in PoE. Most of the time there is a use for each unique either for leveling or endgame purposes. If D2 had a fleshed out endgame I think it would be a superior game to modern ARPGs in a lot of ways.
Going through the acts / campaign was fun every time thanks to said leveling uniques and sets you found along the way, the great world design and music, and generally polished combat and enemy design. You also felt the power increase with each level, as you unlocked new skills or improved your main skill. It just worked on so many levels. Up until act 5 hell i think D2 is still my favorite ARPG to this day. The main issue is the lack of true endgame. Back in the day endgame basically amounted to MF runs and trading, but without an active community half of that falls away. So usually you stick to a playthrough or two every couple of years, or playing HC as far as you can.
Most of the uniques in D2 is also mostly throwaways.... most of the unique can't match the power coming from runes....
This guy did a great job at diminishing all the reasons why D2 is actually such a great game.
It's one thing to play devil's advocate (see what I did there?), it's quite another to "pooh-pooh" something with zero evidence or even thought behind the statement.
That was a horribly myopic take by Asmongold.
WTF are you talking about. Asmon didn't even play D2. Xtimus is the legend.
@@BitWise501 whos Xtimus ?
@@Shipdacheese No, I just have my own opinions.
@@MrVvulf i think calling out the crazy guy would be short-sighted(fully calling out, shaming etc). asmon seems to have a formula for what he takes from other people's vids and he seems to want to avoid having his audience go on a witch hunt.
i love diablo 2 but i have no idea why people act like it has this unlimited replayability
Completed it on hell and never looked back. I enjoyed it SO much though.
Rune words system in my opinion,some of the gear made from it are very powerful&interesting and you can actually get it in early game.
But the drop rate of high runes are insanely low
@@ML-po6vy some rares and the difference between non class locked uniques make the game quite interesting with the possibility of trying thousands of different builds specially for runewords like enigma opening the teleporting skill for all classes and doing PvP one of the bests out there. The hunting for rares with the top mods (a.k.a 2/20/res/stat/ 2socket diadems) and crafting amy 2/20 skill/cast also. It was more open to playeability rather than just oh this set is for this class with this other set for a bonus , locked for only this class with 2 stats fixed
Don't say that the D2 Andy's will come to get you.
Warcraft 3 is the real game with unlimited replayability. Unfortunately reforged killed it.
I think trading is one thing, but being able to drop something for a mate that is playing with you that is legendary, that should be possible. It used to be time based if they were there when it dropped, that seems to have gone. Also not happy about gear sets going, seems this is a loss.
Asmongold, “I never played Diablo ii”
Also asmondgold, “let me tell you all about Diablo ii”
/thread
I love how Asmon is roasting Xtimus, coming from the diablo 2 community and knowing how much we all dislike him, makes it so much better.
it was the crossover i never thought id see in this life time but i am glad im here for it
Wut? Xtimus had great content for many years
@@ShamSoap oh no.. lol. he has a few good videos thats it. hes a complete embarrassment to the d2 community and has some done very shady and immature things.
@@ShamSoap He was a viewed as an og d2 content creator untill a point where more D2 youtubers/streamers started popping and the game had some slight following both on twitch and youtube like some of the speedrunners and he started drama with some of them and ended up as the fool.
Also there was a d2jsp drama with DatNiggaDavid where this guy David provided some screenshots about him being immature and toxic to some other guy(who i think killed himself if i remember right but that was never confirmed mightve been fake).
He was really immature in all of these and he stopped posting for alot of time untill everything subsided and came around D2R release and has started posting ever since.
That amount of quantum physics that he studied must have really affected him because it felt like he had 2 neurons and even those were quantumly entangled. I've never heard a man make so many wrong points and also contradict those same points in such a short span of time.
Ok that quantum entanglement joke went hard 💀💀
LoL great point
@@RmX. I swear he said he studied quantum physics while he was on a spiritual journey.
@@RmX. probably. That guy seems like a complete tool anyway.
Diablo 2 had something that the other games will never have. Extremely rare items, the need to trade with people. It was such an amazing game. He is right that D3, D4 cannot compare with it. Which is so sad. The graphics increased, but they lost track of what made that game exciting. Someone randomly trying to kill you in the game at any time. It made your heart race when someone would come for you. It really felt like an open world.
So you had to either rely on other people or succumb to an extreme grind? Sounds amazing.....
I like D3 and D4 way more than D2, each to their own I guess
Correct. D3 was crap. D4 is better but both will never come close to d2. D2 is the greatest game of all time. End of discussion
@@flonkas nah
@@flonkas Sorry, I played D2 and D2:R. I love Diablo 2, HOWEVER, you and a lot of Diablo 2 players who refuse to even give D4 a fair chance are officially on Copium now. You are just as bad as the Coping WoW players during Shadowlands. It's honestly pathetic at this point.
Wrong about one thing, unique items in D2 had a set of stats, the only thing thing random about them were a few of the set stats would roll low to high, for instance a Buriza-Do Kyanon Ballista could roll 150-200% enhanced damage, all of the remaining stats were fixed.
Well most Diablo 2 players hate Xtimus so ya know. He’s arrogant, steals content, and has had a constant stream of drama following him.
@@Xeirus911 No. A "cool dude" wouldn't put a list of competing content creators up on the screen and imply that they're all bought out by Blizzard. Cool dudes focus on making their own good content regardless of what anyone else does.
this! thank you
@@Xeirus911 Xtimus has had a history of using other people, stealing content ideas from years ago, horrible hot takes, and is beyond full of himself. He has attacked other streamers on many occasions, and started drama constantly. There is proof of this all over the place. He also blocks people after starting problems with them, and used to block anyone that gave him backlash.
@@Xeirus911 the dude was caught botting and RMT, then lied about it. He stole video ideas from people, and claimed them as his own. He tried to start hate towards other creators. He’s a coward, a thief and a cheat. There really is no defense for that.
@@Xeirus911 The content ideas were stolen long ago. I’ve read all of your comments. You can’t just say “You can’t steal content from a 20 year old game”. The content was stolen when the concepts were fresh from other creators. He did steal the ideas, and never give any credit. That is immoral. He lied to his audience about a lot of issues. He tries to start drama with other creators, then whines and cries about it getting backlash for it. He is pretty pathetic all around.
Genuinely impressive display of patience from Asmon, this video was stepping all over itself trying to make big points with poor examples. I would have X'd out early on tbh.
as soon as he brought up quantum physics i knew he was trolling but his voice was so monotone and he never cracked a single joke, it was a bit impressive honestly
I just loved how the dude didn't hide his EXCESSIVELY obvious bias at all that Diablo 2 was "the greatest game ever made". I swear he tried to say it every time he could.
"At no end of the spectrum has Blizzard found satisfying, interesting gameplay loops, other than the endless treadmill of watching the numbers incrementally go up."
-PCgamer on D4
😅.
I really think people that never played the Diablo 2 endgame should not have any opinion on the topic, for him the D2 endgame is sorc which uses teleport and AOE farms. The game is too complex to understand it for 5 min of the stream-watching of a random sorc fanboy. I always main Paladin, the feeling to get Enigma by yourself and see the char that struggled for a long, long, long time now able to destroy the game - priceless, the feeling to collect the rune words that make you Uber boss destroyer - priceless. If you never found/got a Ber rune you should not have an opinion as you don't know what it takes and what the real endgame is. The D2 endgame is not dudes playing sorc and teleporting around one shooting everything and if you think that we know you never got D2 as a game. If you ever get deep into D2 you will understand what I am talking about :)
@@user-hq2cf7tf4c sorry but this guy (who asmongold is reacting to) just wants to hate the game or something. Fine, you like D2 better than D4, nothing wrong with that.
But to say D4 is repetitive vs D2 isn't is just plain BS. How many Mephisto or Tower runs has the (not so) average D2 player done lol. if that aint repetitive I don't know what is.
I don't care about repetitiveness per sé (it was fine in D2,3 and D4) but I'm enjoying the hell out of the 4th, as I've had with all of the others.
D3 for the last seasons before D4 was absolutely brilliant, sad thing is that you reached endgame very quickly after hitting level 70 and all the content was just Bounties, Vaults, Nephalem Rifts for keystones and then Greater Rift pushing or farming.
and in D4 you have, nightmare dungeons, a finite renown grind, world boss, and as i like to call her "uber lillith", ohh and helltides i guess, but that is for crafting mats i think
One thing to remember is that back in 2000 games needed to have some hours of game play to finish, read an interview in a computer magazine there an developer said that 80-100 hours was a swerspot. Today you don't need long game play because it's possible to send out updates very often and in that way gives the game more content
Game content lasts 1/10 as long because levwling guides, pwrfect strategies, and maps to hidden content are splashed all over the internet by selfish streamers wanting to play video games instead of having real jobs.
@@sven8633 that's a decent point, but if you take Doom as example there was guides in magazines back then, but still it was fun to play over and over again even if you knew every single trick in the book. Or Tetris you played it a lot even if the game is repetitive, a good game is a good game.
An other thing is that companies start hype even before they wrote a singel row code then push out the game so hype not die, people in many times get disappointed because they had hope for an even better game.
We see the hype for GTA VI that been up for years, they really need a good game day 1 if they should attract gamers.
This video feels like a friend sitting on my couch, baked out of his mind, explaining to me the quantum physics and metaphysical nature of “The RNG.”
@@BMoser-bv6kn kind of reminds me of that kid down the street that always tries to brag but everyone knows he’s full of shit and no one takes him serious except the other weirdos who do the same thing
I love the part where he spoke for an entire community, with seemingly random "facts"
Wait wait wait I think I missed that part.. what's the time stamp?
I'm disappointed Asmogold didn't notice the person's made up statistics were always 98%. He just kept saying 98% this 98% that with no genuine data.
I gotta go to work so maybe asmo noticed at some point, I'm a third of the way into the video
@@jfdhfjug1 I gotcha king. 00:00 - 1:04:00
The rng in d2 was that it was really rnd what you would get and being rare at that, find that one green piece of item? Gl finding the set of it.
While personal loot has its advantages if you wanna focus on the class you currently playing. For an mmo thats actually counter-productive. Thats what poe is doing better being able to find bis for everyone and trade them.
Imo, a good arpg should need to include a lot of mechanics to masters. One example of the mechanics in D2 that I don't remmeber seeing at all in d3, is having something like 90% of maps being pseudo random, 5% fully random and a 5% of non random map make it that you can master the environnement by learning some of the patterns but in d2 most of those patterns are almost unoticable if you don't make an effort to find them.
This end up implying 2 things, if you play for a while you eventually start to have an uncouncious idea of where to go in a lot of maps making it rewarding, and if you want to take it to the next step, you can try to learn them and turn it into a knowledge making it even more rewarding.
The more optionnal the mastering is the better it probably is. Which means you can become very good at the game going through it more efficiently but you can still go through without mastering it but it should be harder and take more time.
Also I don't think end-game repetitivness in an arpg is inherently bad, it just depends on the rewards at the end being subjectively worth it or not for the players.
PVP is a thing in D2, I mostly play HC (permadeath) and there is also players killing that exist (which I kind of like but not everyone does) making things even more challenging. When duels happens, in HC you need to know what your doing.
I don't think map RNG was an engaging mechanic at all... back in the day I had like 4maxed out toons with a dozen SOJs for trading...I played the hell out of it my magicfind sorc had 1000s is hours alone... the only "good" thing about the RNG was knowing the map layout ahead of HC PK invasions... I knew where to corner camp or drag them through mobs.
But back then, like 90%of the player base used map hacks, most SOJs were dupes, etc. The economy was trash, and hacking was everywhere... if random levels were such an amazing mechanic, people wouldn't be constantly bypassing that mechanic by all means necessary, lol.
"A new experience every time you play". Me leaving the Act III Durance of Hate level 2 waypoint and going left when leaving the doorway with the waypoint in it to find Durance of Hate level 3 entrance every single time I play.
always go left!
Act 3 starts > get waypoint to Mephisto > kill Mephisto > act 4
Doesn't work like that anymore. In resurrected you have to get all the organs and imbue the flail to progress
"A new experience every time you play"
Plays sorc. Does 1000 pindle runs
the feels xD. start a new ladder. and farm eld/shenk until u got the base items you need to start doing mephisto runs. hoping for the early arach to make that $$$ xD
I mean, being repetitive is kind of the theme of all the Diablo games. The only major change I'm seeing so far between previous Diablo games and D4 is that the over world map isn't randomized every time you log into it (meaning geography and event location points) and you have other players in the world with you without needing to 'join a game'.
No. Not in the way that 3 and 4 are, not by a long shot.
@@justinTime077 I'll politely disagree. I've been playing the Diablo series since late 1997. Being grindy AF is pretty much the whole point. :)
@@allenr316 the point is what you missed as it turns out. The moral of the story is that there is rewarding grinding, and then there’s the d3 formula of showering you in loot so that you feel like you got mostly what your end goal is very quickly (in a night if you play like I do at times), and then from there finding the same shit over and over in that same loot shower to maybe get 1% better. In d2 you’re rewarded by finding or making THE item, which is rare, scarce, and therefore valuable and rewarding. Anyone can pick it up off the ground, but YOU have it, and probably many someone else’s haven’t found or been able to earn it yet. It doesn’t rain down on you like candy as in D3, and D4 will be the same. In D2 I can take weeks to months to achieve what I wanted. It feels better when you get there, and it feels better to get each godly piece. Then, since there’s an economy for these rare and valuable unique items that EVERYONE can use… you still want to search for more to build your wealth and get more stuff you may want. D3 and D4 simply don’t have that depth or value. Point made, don’t miss it again, Mr. 1997.
@@justinTime077 If you had bothered to state something similar in your reply to my original statement, instead of a no detail "No, you're wrong", then I probably would have been more inclined to agree with you. I've indicated in other videos (not that I would expect you to know this, I'm not the UA-camr, obviously) that I agreed with the statements about D3 legendary loot being WAY too freely dropped. I want to see that legendary orange and say "Fuck yeah!", not "God damn... another one?". So we're essentially agreeing on this aspect of the game.
@@allenr316 I gave you you your detail right above. Definitely didn’t do what you’re claiming.
It's hard to describe what makes diablo 2 so enjoyable compared to other arpgs. I think open trade and completely unbound items is a big factor. In things like d3 when you are done with the items on your char, you are done. You can start a new char and do everything from scratch, but playing the other one with good gear is kinda pointless. Because loot has become pointless. In D2, farming with a perfectly geared char is super fun and efficient because you accumulate currency or find items that let you play a new char that can farm other specific things. That is the next thing. In D4 you have a main char that does everything. In d2 you have a Java for cows. A necro for world stone, a tele sorc for keys and cry barb for pit etc etc.
And the there are people who just use the game as a trading sim because it has a good balance of currencies, anyone can farm perfect gems that are needed by higher lvl players for crafting etc. And on top of that there is always this chance whatever you do, that a BER will drop that can change your whole game instantly! It's always exciting.
I now understand why the D2 community doesn’t really like his content that much lmao
My first gaming experience was being my dad's "potion guy" on Diablo 2. Meaning I would sit beside him while he played with my hands on "1234" ready to make his character drink a health potion. Of course whenever he died it was my fault🤣😅. I wont be buying Diablo 4; the paying extra for early access, weird promotional and marketing material, and general direction Blizzard has taken with their other products has scared me away.
That's awesome, I played D1 when I was like 10, wasn't that good then and had to have my friend be the "potion masher" to kill Diablo. Good times.
That's pretty wholesome
thats cute
Me and my cousins would take turns to be the potion guys hahhaa.
If something so insignificant in terms of gameplay has scared you away, it's probably better if you won't play it :)
I wouldn't be surprised if the main reason they refuse to add a trading system is to reduce the amount of scams from happening. But you'll probably still have people setting up sites, offering carries to other players to help them get gear based on how much they pay them.
You've got a lot of good points. I can tell you're telling the truth about not playing d2 that much though, especially when it came out and lod came out, dueling was huge in the game. There were always tons of games dedicated to pop
D&D being the first game with dice-roll RNG is actually a frequent misconception, it was technically Chainmail, a game made in 1971, but Gary Gygax made Chainmail as well as D&D, so I mean it's not that far off. Just interesting info.
oh thx! I remembered D&d not being the first one but I didn't know who was
how do you pronounce Gygax tho
@@cumsteak Guy-gax
@@cumsteak Guy-gax
The guys at Maxroll and a lot of other CC's helped me enjoy D3 way more than I have any other game I have played and I am sure it will be the same with D4!
the first PC I played RPG games on was a Ti-99, look it up. I would spend hours typing the code into the computer then had to record it to a tape deck and then play the tape back in order to be able to play the game. I dont miss those days!
simple answer: because it is not diablo 2..
I love diablo 2 and love diablo 4 even more, one reason cross play. Simple things get simple reasons. ❤️🔥💯🤌
not true
@@jasongrundy17174 is nothing like D2 other than the genre and name on the box.
D4 is also really great based on the 25 levels I played
Exactly, Diablo now lives only off its big name. Back then the whole fighting experience in Diablo 2 in birds eyes view with a lot of left clicks was super new, super fresh and modern. It was simply peak for its time. But for modern standards it’s super boring. At least on my opinion after playing d3 after d2.
The holding of outdated mechanisms happens all the time in the world, in big companies or even in country’s economies, until they don’t give profit, cause nobody gives up on things that gave success in the past, even if it’s bad and won’t guarantee success in the future.
It just seems boring. Doesn’t appeal to me at all.
So my whole point: People crave for the experience they had with D2, where everything was exciting and new, not with the mechanics or the style of the game itself.
@@jasongrundy1717 no??! what makes u think its d2?
I'm sad for people that say they already played the best game of all the time. They will never find a better game because they don't want to.
So much this. Meanwhile while I've been gaming since before D2 came out, I'm still getting excited for all the great new games coming out every year.
Was having a blast in Everspace 2 last month. I'm currently addicted to Tears of the Kingdom, and D4 us right around the corner!? Every year being a gamer gets better, I'm spoiled AF!
Indeed. D3 was supposed to be a glorified D2 expansion, new classes/items/etc, better graphics and a new story.Thats all we wanted. But they just had to screw the pooch. God bless D2R.
Im mean, D2 was a revolution in the genre. It was the golden standard and is an incredible game even 20 years later
You can make custom gear like chains of honor or enigma, in D2. Enigma adding teleport to a non sorc class was huge
Iirc blizzard said in the interviews why they don't want trading.
One of blizzards game design goals is to have your loot be valuable.
But if you can trade trash items for the good drop someone else got that you want it reduces the value of the items you find.
So in their eyes it's a cursed design problem, so they decided to remove trading.
This is based on memory tho so I might misremember some things. So take this with a grain of salt.
I had the same experience with Diablo and Diablo 2.
Me: "But I have to kill the devil!"
Mom: "nice try"
"Diablo?! You mean Devil?!"
"No, Mom! I *kill* the Devil!!!"
A rite of passage.
As a D2/D2R junkie since waaaaay back when, I am very excited for D4. I enjoyed all three betas immensely. I believe a big part of the problem is that people expect "more Diablo 2" with each new game in the series. D4 isn't going to be (nor should it be) D2/D2R. Why? Because they already made that game. Go play that if that is what you want.
@@ramonandrajo6348 cringe.
@@ramonandrajo6348 YOU aren't a true Diablo fan. You're a D2 fan and that's it. Just a pretender.
tried diablo 4 beta. its shit
@@ramonandrajo6348 "TrUe DiAbLo fAn"
Exactly.
“That is less rewarding and is for the casual player base”
I’ve been playing Tier II solo and It’s been pretty damn rewarding imo, it’s also not casual friendly if you play on that tier; if you make a bad build and only put on gear because it has a higher gear score than what you had, and don’t really have affixes that compliment your build somehow, the game punishes you for it.
People saying that Diablo 3 wasn't a good/succesfull game don't realise that most people played the campaign with a friend and then quit the game, it's only bad if you never stop playing.
Im still playing D2, on and off since it was released. What a great, very addictive game.
Still working on finishing that Holy Grail on OG D2:LOD. One day I'll have everything :) Still do anywhere from 2-20 runs a day, just depends on how I'm feeling.
Def most playtime of any game I've ever played. Even more than RS, TF2, Css/csgo
D2 will probably be the game I've played for the longest. I'm not sure if It'll have most hours, but in terms of playing it on and off, it has to be the longest-running one for me. Doing goofy shit like 4 summoner-necro and trying to crash each others' PC, or going full melee Necro lmao. I think the thing Diablo lost after 2 was the "A" in ARPG. 3 no longer felt like an immersive adventure. There's an NPC telling me what to do every 5 minutes, my character is outright saying his thoughts so often and bantering with your merc and shit. If I had to describe it any better, D1 and D2 made me feel like I'm the character as opposed to D3 and D4(beta) where I feel like I'm watching my character.
I think instead of at max level you have other class items drop, you should just have an option to pick the class you want items to drop for. So if you want to farm hard for your last piece while at max level it isn't 5x harder because you are getting drops for everything, but having the option makes it so you can farm for some gear for a class you want to play. You already did all the content, it's no different than gathering stones and gambling on another char. It just makes it easier.
You may be sure that exist, but it is inverted in POE. If you are usign a bow you will not get many bow drops because they want you to trade withother players.
Let us toggle smart loot. You want to build your main and don't want stuff for other classes fine. You get that character maxed and want to farm for an alt, turn it off.
Massive shout out to you from here in the UK. Just found your content and I'm having a laugh bro
Zod Runes I got during OG D2 took weeks of grinding and Horadric Cube crafting to make- no idea where the guy got them dropping from..
When Diablo 2 first came out, there were like six of my friends and brothers waiting to play it on the one computer. Something called "the Six Hour" rule had to be implemented. "There's a thirty-six hour que, right now"
my friends and i did this same exact thing for a game called phantasy star universe, and we called it “shifts” 😂
I loved Diablo 2, and didn't really like DIablo 3. The reason I like D2 better was that the items interacted in nonlinear ways. Increased attack speed had breakpoints, so you would target your build to hit a specific %increased attack speed exactly. Or you'd get exactly 75% resistances, because going over is wasted. There was the tradeoff of whether you get 75% physical damage resist, or lower, but increase the elemental resistance cap. You didn't have to be that optimal, but I got into PvP. And then low level dueling, and making weird PvE challenge builds that are only possible with a lot of knowledge of the game. I didn't play D3 for that long, because the complexity wasn't there. The damage/resistance formulas were set up so that you would pretty much max out a formula to get the most DPS and effective HP. I disliked the always online single player aspect, the auction house, the way vendor RNG worked(you could cycle the RNG to get a good roll and buy a TON of that same item -- you'd see 20 of the same exact blue item in the auction house, which is MUCH better that anything you have, because someone got an insanely good vendor roll (and probably spent hours cycling it to do so, instead of actually farming drops, and bought a boatload of them) I stopped playing before they added the paragon levels and all that, so I can't say if they fixed things since then. I just lost interest.
D2 was good. D3 sucked
I like D4 but D2's itemization, progression feels better. There should be trading. That's a massive part of why D2 has lasted so long. Blizzard talks of open world and teamwork but D4 feels very much solo. D2 worked because teamwork was there if you wanted it and you could make a unique build even 20 years into the game
There is trading in D4. Some of the best gear are rares and those are tradable. People want to play D4 solo , as do most players but the option Is there.
There are no more " unique " builds in D2 , let's be real here lol. There's a lot more build variation in D4 due to aspects now , it's just not balanced therefore builds are a bit more limited. The same applied to early days of D2.
In D2 I always played with other players and it was always fun, in D4 mostly solo
For me, every new Diablo game has been better than the previous version and to say Blizzard doesn't care about their games when you can quite clearly see how much polish goes into them is nuts. Diablo 4 blew me away, it is f**king stunning...maybe us old schoolers appreciate the effort more being around when 3dfx open GL was first introduced and as Asmon said, there wasn't a massive amount to play back then. Avalon i think it was called was a text-based rpg experience had rng..a troll hits you for 25 damaged etc. Every student i knew was playing it, then came along games like Everquest which is why you're playing WoW now. I'm not nostalgic eh hee, pushing 50 and i don't want to go to work anymore, just wanna sit at home and play games and wait for the Reaper, and what was all that spiritual shit about, who doesn't like chilling on the rig with a smoke and putting in a 15 hour gaming session till your eyes bleed....I've spent the day watching your stuff Asmon and it's refreshing to see a streamer not wrapped up in their own self-importance...magic stuff
Can't wait to revisit this 3-6months after release too see how well it ages
The guy thinks that slightly different map layouts makes a completely new experience 😂😂
Every game franchise has its “this 20 year old game was the best and nothing will touch it” crowd.
One thing I kind d4 needs is the campaign bosses should randomly spawn in dungeon on rare mobs on the over world
IMO after playing every class to 25 in the beta and getting a taste of it, as well as spending years playing every diablo game (1 was the first pc game I saved up to buy with my own money from mowing lawns in the summer... old af boi)... D4 seems like the best mix of all the previous diablo games. The dark and gritty atmosphere and vibe of the early ones, with the visceral more action packed and brutal combat from 3. I'm looking forward to it immensely. 👹
I really liked diablo 2, but as mentioned there was really only one game to play back then. I hated remaking a character and rushing through all 4/5 acts 3 times because I found an item that gave me +10 strength and now my amazon had 10 waisted points in strength.
@@zoeyf3471 yeah but they resolved that in the D2 remake. It really was remade perfectly.
@@zoeyf3471 Nah thats on you for caring way too much about 10 attr points
Jesus Christ you got all classes to 25 within 72 hours?
The reason was some pvp lobbies had level caps. So, if you did level 70-80 duels, you wanted whatever waisted points you had that could of went to more life, or stats for more damage. Before LOD it was cow level and PVP.
Diablo 2 in a nutshell: Baal runs, Mephisto runs, cow level runs. Thats it.
green hats !
Me playing Diablo 2 when I was 12: "WOAH that wall wasn't there last time! This is the only reason I play this game."
I'm just gonna one thing on the mater of D2 vs D4.
D2: 1 button for dealing damage, 4 buttons for drinking potions.
D4: reverse the numbers.
Now, you choose what you are interested in ^
I honestly hope to see more of this from this guy, dudes an absolute nut case lol
He's been around for a while but his content was always mid at best.
@@Stavroization Yeah theres a reason Xtimus isnt really respected or taken seriously AND why hes not partnered. its not because hes edgy and underground and saying the shit that no one else is willing to say, its because hes confidently wrong and has terrible takes.
@@cameronharvey4746 he sounds like Diablo version of MetaGoblin.
There are many, many games that are better than Diablo 2 lol - shit is super dated
@@cameronharvey4746 "confidently wrong" is a perfect descriptor
D2 wasn't that random. I often could guess layout to the point that some people in my party thought I had maphack.
I think because D2 didnt have the smart loot system, and you could find loot for all classes no matter what class you played, finding a rare for you char was much more rewarding. And the fact you had a in game economy and could trade for things made finding certain things exciting.
well i did get like 4 drops for other classes in the last beta of d4 it was annoying as hell cuz that was from bosses in dungeons -_- didnt feel like runing the dungeon again tho
My biggest complaint so far with D4 is that I liked having my weapons do weapon attacks. I don't like that skills replace the base attack. I don't remember D2 doing that, I also like the complete free form on gear for D2, no class restrictions on weapons and armor only lvl and skill restrictions.
D2 using normal attacks only lasts till like Lut Gholein, if you're in act 3 and still swinging axe, your build is wack. So it's pretty irrelevant that D2 had you using basic attacks at very low levels, and I don't think it adds interesting gameplay anyway, it's just a chore to get through till your build starts to come online.
Also there is a lot of class specific gear in D2
Yes! This is the only thing that pisses me off about the game. Necromancer can equip giant sword, doesn't use it.
@@brain_tonic He didn't say "basic attacks", he said "weapon attacks" and "base attack". A barb with a sword should hit with a sword, not with a magical spirit axe spawned from spirit energy. This comes to a personal preference, but you would certainly agree that completely ignoring the weapon you've actually equipped looks and feels pretty stupid at times.
For sure, you will be using other skills on a barb, but what you will not do is see a hammer being swung if a sword is equipped.
@@JHerker Class specific gear is optional and does not give you 12.000% dmg increase which would make it mandatory. You are not restricted. You also had several different options to achieve the same build with different classes.
36:54 he doesn’t get invited to events bc he’s a known cheater 😂
2:43 Is so true; plenty of the people on 'the list' have given negative feedback. Its such an unnuanced take to assume that they are just shilling because they happen to partnered.
I used to make a business in D2 selling my non-class loot to players and offering them DPS checking on my necro-skeles/bonewall. Having entirely randomized loot-drops is what keeps D2 players (even private servers) open to socializing within instances 2 decades later.
Personal loot is the antithesis of instanced loot. D2 is formulated around a loot-council trade market.
If this is what being a Diablo 2 player is like then I’m glad I only ever played it casually. I’m surprised Asmongold was very patient with this guy just based on his choice of words and how he makes his arguments.
@@mickpratt8327 I’m sure there are other Diablo 2 content creators who can better articulate their points without making odd blanket statements with no proper sources like this guy. His editing and production quality are good but he just sounded very opinionated and couldn’t properly back up his arguments.
I wish the map when I press tab inside a dungeon was transparent like in 2. I dislike moving my characters through a dungeon and having to stop to look or flash myself with the map.
Appreciate the critical analysis! To add some clarity: As of this post Diablo Partners are not directly compensated by Blizzard for posting positive video reviews of the game. As Asmongold says, many of the partners are some of the most critical of the game. Diablo Partners are simply content creators that have dedicated their channels to Diablo content and the partnership is meant to give them a direct line to the devs to share said feedback from them and their communities. Thanks for the video!
Appreciate what you do for the D2R and Diablo community! I agree that most of the better known UA-camrs and Streamers that focus on Diablo (Diablo Partners) are the most critical in providing feedback for the game (especially with the D4 betas). I hope what you say about the Diablo Partners is true so that Diablo 4 can evolve and grow with community feedback.
appreciate your content!
Hell yeah brother hey lucky! I was a little perturbed at that bit too. Implying the creators are all paid to blindly shill show that he isn't paying attention. You and Mac and many others are 100% the most critical, and call them out when you think changes are bad.
Xtimas made had some impressively bad takes here. He's right about a fair amount, but comes across as hella bitter and elitist.
@@hotpancakes9814 appreciate you!
That guy had a large "get those kids off my lawn" vibe.
Well, the battlescape in XCOM then? Micropose was on that in early 90s, replayability usually make games last the test of time.
D2 was amazing and my favorite game when i was 10 years old. When i came back at the age of 34 it made me realize how repetitive it is. Rush a toon, power level and then farm. The nostalgia was great for a few weeks.
All ARPGs are the same shit Kid XD. Jewzzard just turned them into a Gacha Machine in 2023.
In diablo 2 the different patches of map have certain rules, but they are indeed random. You can have a "going to the right" exit in your left doing a full turn. Whatever
@@sofieberger8851 Yep. I couldn't explain it better, d4 will absolutely not have the emotions you get when you unid a SoJ, a Jmod, or whatever crazy rare item in d2.
And that's exactly why I will not play it either.
I think D4 is going to do fine but I'm probably not going to like it because I don't typically like games that require a lot of upgrade material to improve weapons. When I get a legendary I don't want to feel like it's the just the first step. It reminds me of gacha games where getting an SSR is cool for 30 seconds and then you start grinding XP missions for hours.
"D4 is repetitive"
*proceeds to reset tower until they get enigma.*
i have a strong feeling diablo IV will split the community significantly but I also feel like it will finally be brought into the forefront of the staple games conversation, when the first beta dropped I had Madden, 2K, and COD guys making sorcs and necromancers. i think this will be a special game
Yeah D4 seems phenomenal, I loved D2 so much but I don't see where the D4 haters are coming from. Seems like all their complaints are esoteric nonsense that isn't core gameplay...
@@4433221 d3, d2 and poe are all available on console. But nice theory I just hope you don't have to do any analytics in your job. Otherwise you'll cost your boss more than you make lol
You're always going to have these fans who just want a remake of their favorite game to reinvigorate the feeling again. Time changes everything.
theres already a d2 remake lol
And then, once they get it, they would complain that there is nothing "innovative" or "new" in it.
@@sofieberger8851 I have played D2 since the original release, I stopped for a few months and then I jump back in, I have played D3 basically the same way. What I have issues with in D2 is the fact that once you clear Hell, what's the point of replaying the game? You get better gear for what? To climb up the ladder we have now in D2R? PVP?
D3's rifts are repetitive but you farm better gear so you can go up on the GR level you are playing. It gets boring after a while but at least there is purpose on doing that.
@@sofieberger8851 I respect the fact that they are trying to incorporate new things, some of those new things I like, some others I don't but I believe it is a very long stretch the level of failure that some are expecting for this game.
When you look at the genre, it is difficult to find any other Top-Down ARPG that has the same level of hype, the closes was the last update to POE. One thing that I'm particularly hopeful of with this game is that it seems they listened to a lot of feedback from the first Beta so we will wait and see what happens.
D2R from the get go seemed like it was focused on people that never played the game back then and refused to play it nowadays with the original resolution so there was no incentive in adding additional content for us who played the game for years. In the, if we like it or not, the money is what is driving these decisions. I respect your opinion, hopefully you'll find enjoyment in D4 somehow.
@@sofieberger8851 I'll give it a try, thanks for the recommendation.
Play the campaign, get max level or close, gear up/create a build, and use the same character in a separage moba style game and another looter pvpve style area and then also kingdom creation and kingdom v kingdom scenarios
this clip ages so good
D2 is not as randomly generated as people think. Once you figure out how things work, it really is the same thing over and over again. It's no different from D3 or D4.
man have you ever played d2? what are you talking about lmfao
@@BG1435q he is right i played d2 last year and u have a couole of layouts for each map u go tru
D2 maps are procedurally generated using a pre-built palette of tiles or blocks for each zone. The Act 3 Jungle will never spawn with desert tiles, but each iteration of the jungle will be unique. Some iterations may be very similar, while others will be wildly different. D2 also features a handful of pre-determined maps (such as the Den of Evil), similar to how D4 spawns its maps. There can be no debate that D2's maps, while not totally random, are significantly closer to true randomness than D4's maps.
These people with zero clue how RNG works in D2 hahahaha. Compared to D3/D4... D2 is RNG galore plus it's in fact true RNG. D3 wasn't even RNG - both items and maps. D3 had zero map randomization. D3 had timers that dynamically changed your MF based on how bad luck you had. Nothing RNG about that - in fact it's a fixed RNG system similar to slot machines.
this is true for the map, but for the items not even close
Something I can give D2 is the pvp was a lot of fun. That’s what made grinding worth it, trying to make a pvp character that could compete. That’s what made d3 become boring is the lack of pvp. After a while the grind seems pointless. Getting a level higher greater rift is nowhere near as rewarding as being a top dog pvper
Also back in the day it was actually TSR that made "dungeons and dragons" before being bought out by wizards of the coast
I am a diehard, hardcore Diablo 2 fanboy. Have played it for 20 years straight with no real breaks. This guy doesn’t speak for all of us. I like the feel of Diablo 4 and will be playing it a lot. They nailed the atmosphere in a big way.
@@thebanned2807 I remember my buddy getting a set of whites from a random, thinking he was a badass only to get 1 shotted in every match.
I get what he mean by dungeons. In D2 every place is unique. Then if u choose to farm a certain area in d2 so you get the repetitive experience that’s up to you but in D4 the are all more or less the same. Get these 2 items open a door fight the boss. Even the layout is about the same so that and the fact they are so big gets me bored with them in no time.
Now also you got terror zones that gives u the best items in the game and that area change every hour meaning you won’t get a repetitive experience since all dungeons are unique.
Diablo 4 isn't open world because of windy caves with barriers.... yet you can do Act 1-3 in any order... man half his info is mistaken, or out right wrong
You are so right about Diablo 2 Asmon !
I did play the hell out of it back in the days, and yeah, all we did was to send a sorceress, to find the entrance to Baal's Minions, then she would open up a TP there, and we would all join in, to kill Baal, or Mephisto. These were the only things left to do after u finished the campaign... ohh and trading with other players, and starting new characters based on the drop we got, from those infinite runs! :))) The good thing was that the drop was so random, and that made the game (at least for me), very challenging. Looking for better gear, all the time. Ohh and the MF ( magic find) gear, was a thing. Placing perfect Topaz gems in armor and helmets, and giving the final blow to the boss, with it, would increase your chances of getting a legendary drop. As for the Runes, and "RuneWords", they became a thing, when everybody pretty much got bored of doing the same TWO runs all day long, and you could mix 3 to 5, or 6 runes in a specific order, in a 3-6 piece of gear ( helmets, armor, polearm, sword, etc), and would get you some overpowered gear. And suddenly, everybody forgot about Baal and Mephisto, and started to do COW-Runs, to find socketed gear. I remember putting this gear on my "paladin mercenary" and he was almost able to kill Baal alone on Hell difficulty. :)))
Dez there was one of the biggest game booms ever back in the 90s replay value was huge there was real creativity behind the old games.
Imo diablo 3 had the best "each time been different" feel imo mostly due to loot goblins and portals, the first time I got a portal full of goblins I spammed that mouse click to fast I entered the speed force