I agree but I think it would be crazy if Oda makes BB the darkness in space, whereas Luffy is the sun and that is the one thing keeping the darkness from swallowing everything up. I do think there could be another moon
This may age very well in the coming years...when you look at how the scientific community has been propagandizing many things. From "climate change" to covid, to the whole "gender" debate.
Removing Pluto as a planet is because it doesn’t completely orbit the sun, as it is more influenced by Neptune’s gravity. Additionally, it hasn’t cleared its orbit. There are other large bodies in Pluto’s path. To be a planet, no other object can share the trajectory of your orbit.
One cool thing is that AFAIK the last 3 planets are the ones that can't be seen by the naked eye, and while the ancients already knew about every planet up until saturn, the last 3 were only discovered by the invention of the telescope. It's a nice little reference to how the 3 ancient weapons have remained hidden for so long.
I don't think One Piece associates the Moon with darkness at all, as it reflects the light of the Sun, powering up the Minks and being associated with the Kozuki clan. "You're the moon unaware of the dawn" Blackbeard is literally representing the darkness in space, darkness is what opposes sunlight, not the moon. Black Holes suck the light, the Moon reflects it.
I think the moon fits really well. It does reflect the sun's light, but it emits none by itself. It's a fake, a cheap reflection/imitation of the real deal. It has power, of sorts, in the night (darkness), but when the sun rises, the moon pales away. Except for those rare events, when it's positioned just right to block the sunlight and bathe the earth in terror. I bet we'll see some sort of eclipse in one shape or the other before the end of the story. Like Blackbeard defeating Imu (Earth), establishing a reign of terror, until he's being defeated by Luffy (the Sun). EDIT: the Moon does literally overshadow the Earth during an eclipse ;) Imagine Blackbeard being an even greater threat than Imu.
@@dorderre I guess that explanations fits as well, but I like the idea of Blackbeards' darkness being around everything, lurking. I'm specially adhering to how the moon and darkness are tipically represented in the story. Specfically the night and darkness are antagonistic to the sun, not the moon. We could also argue that Garling could represent the moon, orbiting the Earth really close. The thematics are still not clear though, as even Imu can be directly represented by darkness, and specially the void, directly opposing Luffy too.
I'd also question if the Moon is meant to be represented by a villain because the Lunarians are directly victims of the world government and seemed to believe Joyboy would change the world for the better. We now have an army of slave lunarian child soldiers the WG are using that Luffy will inevitably free. Also Urouge is still a massive question mark still and the sky people seem related to the Lunarians in some way so that's another possibility.
There's also the concept that Luffy vs. Imu represents the heliocentric vs. geocentric model. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were all visible before telescopes were invented and everyone believed in the geocentric model of the solar system. But after the invention of the telescope and the discovery of Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto, we also confirmed and codified the heliocentric model.
I'm suprised you didn't mention Imus name is the inverse of Umi, the sea, which pretty much represents the "Earth" of One Piece. Also, this is surface level, but Garling has a crescent moon face, so it is arguable that he has a moon based subordinate. Just an interesting note
Also Imu lives in Pangea castle, Pangea being basically a world continent. Plus it's on the red line, which the giants call a great serpent, referencing the viking world serpent
Not in Japanese. In Japanese, it's spelled イム, or "Imu." The reverse would be ムイ, or "Mui." The first word to come up when searching "Mui" on Jisho (a Japanese/English dictionary) means "inactivity" or "idleness," which I think fits Imu quite well.
Ever since we say Figarland Garling, I have been under the impression that he represents the moon. He literally looks like a moon lol. As to Blackbeard, I think he represents the darkness of space, potentially even a black hole. Black holes are made when a star implodes. He is a D but the inverse of Luffy, he is a tainted star. He is the darkness of space, the void.
Black Beard representing the moons makes sense if you consider how he seems to have multiple personalities like the moon has different phases. Very interesting theory Morjman
Another point I'd like to make is Van Augur's "The World" statement when asked what the BB pirates aim to gain out of this Which basically means Blackbeard (The Moon) wishes to take over The World (Earth), Imu
I think Shanks is the moon, especially after seeing Garling, a reflection of the light of the sun, keeping the light shining if only a bit in the night, where as Blackbeard seems very clearly depicted as void, the space between.
It makes even more sense to have Imu as Earth if you consider geocentric/heliocentric models of the universe. People look at that one panel during Robin's flashback and think Earth has multiple moons, while I'm 99% sure those are not moons but other planets, and OP world believes in geocentric model where Earth is at the center of universe and other planets circle around it. With geocentric model, Earth = center, so Imu is at the center and gorosei circle around Imu. Heliocentrism was discovered in 16th century, so basically the same century we have in OP verse. Luffy beating Imu is basically destroying the geocentric model and intruducing heliicentric one, when sun is at the center.
Though the moon symbolism is valid for Blackbeard i think we're forgetting another just as important The Kozuki The Sun/Nika is the reason the Minks reach Sulong thanks to the Kozuki’s reflection The moon(Kozuki) that casted 9 shadows(Scabbards) can be interpreted as Oden and by extension Momo Thanks to Luffy their shadows were casted on the night of the raid This is a story about defeating the Night But what if there’s worse than Night lurking? actual darkness Could Blackbeard be a Black Hole Don't they look like Black suns?
Morj, maybe the reason that Oda chose the inner most planets to be the gorosei is because they are visible to the naked eye and, for some centuries, believed to be the only planets in our system. The others were discovered much later after the invention of the telescope
Morj, I really disagree with this idea that Blackbeard represents "flawed freedom." Think about it: when have we ever actually outright seen Blackbeard fighting for, or believing in freedom at all? The closest thing is his "people's dreams never die" philosophy, but he only really seems to use that to justify reaching his own dreams at the expense of those of others. Meanwhile, we have consistently seen Blackbeard work to oppress the freedoms of others from his introductory arc, with him going after Luffy in Jaya for his bounty, or him killing Thatch for his Devil Fruit, or him defeating and indirectly killing Ace to finish off Whitebeard, or helping destroy Impel Down to gain some crewmates. He has always been someone who oppresses the dreams and free will of others who, unlike the people Luffy defeats, weren't themselves oppressing the dreams and free will of others, in order to gain more power for himself. And that's not to mention him being revealed to own slaves/have people imprisoned on Fullalead in the recent arc, or him wanting to ally himself as a recognised king with the World Government - the ultimate oppressor of freedom throughout the series. What about Blackbeard yelling about how he'll "swallow up everything" and "destroy everything" at Marineford makes him sound like a fighter for freedom, Morj? To me, Blackbeard is essentially just a representation of an Imu who hadn't beaten the Ancient Kingdom yet. A worldwide dictator in waiting. A king without a kingdom.
Blackbeard doesn't represent freedom in my opinion, but anarchy. He is someone who uses his freedom - his ability to do as he likes - to take it away from others. He only seems to believe in one rule: that might makes right.
I feel Blackbeard does represent freedom in a way, he’s very much on the idea of carving your own fate and doing whatever you desire. When Blackbeard was about to die from Magellan, he didn’t really curse it or act entitled, he was just like “Well, fate ordained it and I couldn’t make the cut. Magellan’s dream beat mine. Oh well, I gave it a shot”, and then when shiryu saved him he basically said “Wow, that was lucky. Looks like I can fight for my dream another day! Fate seems to like me. Shiryu join my crew.” I feel Blackbeard embraces the idea of everyone having dreams and everyone having the right to fight for them, in his case his dream is just take over the world and start a world where people don’t have anyone blocking their dreams. Blackbeard seems to want to destroy everything to make a world of anarchy. In his mind, if someone or something gets in the way of your dream you should move it out of the way no matter the cost. So, it’s not freedom in the same exact sense as what Luffy feels, but it’s of the same vein. A twisted version of it. But, honestly BB’s origins and true motivations don’t have much info yet so I think we will have to wait before really solidifying his philosophy.
Respectfully, I disagree. What I think you misunderstand is the difference between personal freedom and freedom for all. Luffy is the physical embodiment of freedom for himself and others whereas Blackbeard is only the physical embodiment of freedom for himself. Remember, in one piece part of freedom is being strong enough to beat anyone who tries to stop you. Both Luffy and Blackbeard have reached this level of strength, they're both emporers strong enough to challange anyone who opposes them and gearing up to challenge the world government, which is antithetical to freedom. The way I see it the diffrence between Luffy's brand of freedom and Blackbeard's is what they'll do when the world government falls. While Luffy will eredicate the world government and leave the world a safe place for all, Blackbeard will become the new head of the world government, using his personal freedom to steal the freedom of others. I agree with your point about Blackbeard being like Imu but I believe that Blackbeard is the next generation Imu just like Luffy is the next generation Roger/Joyboy. If we assume at face value that Imu is control the question we have to ask is how did Imu gain control? The answer is given in the story, he overthrew the ancient kingdoms. Imu used his freedom to overthrow the existing regime and in its place. One where he uses his freedom to take away the freedom of other, making him the physical embodiment of control. the fundamental flaw of flawed freedom, the thing that makes it flawed freedom instead of pure freedom, is that following its path leads to control. If Imu is defeated before Blackbeard the fight between Luffy and Blackbeard will absolutely be about if the world is free or controled, but not because blackbeard is control, but because he is fated to become control because the is the end ultimate end point of folloing the path of flawed freedom.
Luffy is essentially the idea that everyone has freedom so long as it doesn't overlap others' while Blackbeard is the idea of absolute freedom without holds. The problem with each pretty much explain themselves: is it truly free if there are limits vs is anyone truly free if someone else can invade on that? Blackbeard seems to think everyone should be able to do as they please which explains why his home is essentially the Wild West, and as he's the "leader" of it all it seems to appear that such a place is the ideal world to him. This connects with Blackbeard's philosophy of fate which appears to be him submitting to whichever ultimate outcome is achieved. Everyone is free to try and stop Blackbeard but as such he's also free to keep going until that day comes assuming it is fated
All this planetary symbology has me thinking of Sailor Moon, all nine planets, the sun, and the moon being represented there too. There is no Sailor Earth in the line up, but Mamoru Chiba/Tuxedo Mask holds the Golden Crystal that acts as Earth’s celestial core. Sailor Galaxia, the final villain of the series, acts as a “sun as a destroyer and consumer of life/light” symbolic device. Finding a One Piece equivalent, it could be said that she coincides with Imu and Blackbeard at the same time. As for Usagi Tsukino, the iconic Sailor Moon, Oda gave us his own version back in Whole Cake Island. Carrot as the first to showcase the “moon lion” form unleashed at the full moon. Carrot turns into a literal “moon rabbit” to take down the battleships! How funny amd awesome is that?!
Wouldn't shanks dad be the moon since he protects imu from the sun, and Blackbeard be a black hole since everything around him he destroys and if he follows xebec, it would make more sense. Plus black holes are collapsed suns, so it fits with him being an evil "D" member and counter to the sun as blackholes suck in light aka the sun
It also occurs to me that the only "Planet" that we know is on Luffy's side (Poseidon) uses the Greek name of the relevant planet/deity (the Latin name is Neptune). There's actually one other Planet that does that - Uranus. Uranus is the *Greek* name of the god of the sky - the equivalent Latin name is the almost-never-used Caelus. This could be a hint that Uranus will end up supporting/being used by Luffy rather than the WG. Conversely, Pluton's name is Latin, the equivalent of Hades. This might support the idea that Pluton will end up in the hands of Luffy's enemies, though in this case I suspect Blackbeard rather than the WG.
I think people should look into Dante's hierarchy of the Heavenly Spheres. I'm pretty sure as allegory One Piece draws from those than from the Solar System. The 5 Elders are "heavenly spheres" but not the ancient weapons. The "Empyrean" is the most meaningful metaphor for "the land of the Gods" from which used to stand at the top of the Red Line prior to WG.
"In ancient European cosmologies inspired by Aristotle, the Empyrean Heaven, Empyreal or simply the Empyrean, was the place in the highest heaven, which was supposed to be occupied by the element of fire" - Alas, Land of the Gods - Lunarians. One Piece's focus on the motif of Fire and inherited will, and Skypea being a miscrocosm: "Light the Fire of Shadora!" likewise Luffy shall light the fire of the Land of The Gods and take down the false deity, like he did with Enel. Here is the hierarchy fo the Heavenly/Celestial SPheres: 1. Moon (Luna): The first sphere represents the realm of the inconstant, and it is inhabited by those who were unable to fulfill their vows. - LIKELY ST. GARLING 2. Mercury (Mercurio): In the second sphere, Dante meets those who were motivated by an active life of ambition and desire for fame and glory. These souls are now blessed with the joy of wisdom and knowledge. 3. Venus (Venere): The third sphere is inhabited by those who were driven by the desire for earthly love and physical beauty. 4. Sun (Sole): In the fourth sphere, Dante encounters the theologians and doctors of the Church, including Thomas Aquinas and Albertus Magnus, who illuminate him with their wisdom. 5. Mars (Marte): The fifth sphere is the realm of the warriors of Christ, those who fought for the faith. Dante meets the soul of Cacciaguida, his own ancestor, who prophesies Dante's exile from Florence. 6. Jupiter (Giove): In the sixth sphere, Dante meets the just rulers and governors, including the Roman emperor Justinian, who narrates the history of the Roman Empire. 7. Saturn (Saturno): The seventh sphere is the realm of contemplatives and hermits, those who renounced the world for the pursuit of spiritual enlightenment. Dante encounters the spirit of St. Peter Damian here. 8. Fixed Stars (Stelle fisse): In the eighth sphere, Dante encounters the angels, who move the stars and planets and serve as intermediaries between God and humanity. - SERAPHIMS 9. Primum Mobile (Primo Mobile): The ninth and final sphere represents the perfection of divine love and the source of all motion in the universe. It is here that Dante beholds the Beatific Vision and experiences the presence of God himself. - BLACK BEARD / WILL OF ROX 10. The Empyrean: The Empyrean is portrayed as the abode of God, surrounded by the highest order of angels and the souls of the blessed. It represents the culmination of Dante's journey toward the ultimate union with the divine. - IMU The twist being that the Gorosei are devils, and inspired by easter mythology rather than western, though Oda being a christian. Again, a great inversion: "Hell is where Heaven should be". Think of the layering of Impel Down. It follows a similair pattern to the Circles of Hell. The exclusion of the Ancient Weapons if for they belong to the Ancient Kingdom, thus they are expelled from paradise, as that is something that isn't meant to exist.
the issue with blackbeard or imu representing the moon is that all of the wano daimyo families were named after the moon except for the kurozumi, indicating that the moon was historically (and is thematically) a good thing. and other things like oda calling benn beckman the moon to shanks' sun, or G5 first appearing silhouetted against the moon, i don't think Oda has this idea of the moon being an antagonistic figure thematically
Toki's prophecy explicitly spells out that Orochi is the "the moon" who would fall when Dawn came to Wano. So even though wano's daimyo families were named after the moon, Orochi was the one who was meant to actually represent the moon in the Wano conflict. Idk why Oda named the Kozuki after the crescent moon tbh, maybe other people have a better idea for that, but it's unambiguously spelled out that symbolically Orochi is the moon in Wano.
@@MrMorj kurozomi mean black charcoal. it is darknenss that engulf wano. moon is a good thing in one piece. it give a temporary lighht to those who suffers
Blackbeard is clearly represent the black hole and the darkness of the space.the moon is always represented as a partner to the sun and a reflection to the sun's light when the night falls. So the moon is someone ho's gonna be an ally to Luffy not an enemy
imu is umi backwards. umi is sea in japanese. in one piece we hear a lot about mother sea. imo its obvious imu represents the earth and ,,natural order" where as sun and moon, aka luffy and brithish edp are trying to change the earth, aka theyre both trying to overthrow imu.
Another moon parallel with Blackbeard is that he is incredibly similar to Luffy at first glance, but somewhat of a distorted mirror, just as the Moon's light (Flawed Freedom) is just a refraction of the Sun's light (True Freedom)
I like this theory. Only adjustment I’d make is following the idea that nobody represents Earth; When I think of Blackbeard and Darkness, I dont think of the moon but instead I think of the Void, the darkness that fills the space between all. It would make sense why his fruit would be different and can affect the other fruit users, since it seems like Void=Mass=Gravity, and thats how he brings in the devils of other fruits. If the Moon represented Imu for the “night” that has been cast over the world, it would also make sense how they could influence the sea(world) as a false god since Imu backwards is Sea and the moon controls the tides. I think the Earth doesnt need to be represented as it stands for Nature, the world everyone shares, that has the Treasure Tree’s, Sea Kings, Islands and all the parts of the world that aren’t necessarily “controlled” but have tried to be by others aiming to rule the world
Missed the connection from geocentrism (planets revolving around the earth = gorosei revolving around Imu) to heliocentrism (that is that the planets are actually revolving around the Sun and the Luffy is the one true savior, being freedom at the center of the governing system)
At one point, it was believed that the universe was geocentric- that everything revolved around the earth including the sun. It was considered blasphemy at one point to say that the earth revolved around the sun. Also the 5 elder planets refer to the first planets discovered by humanity with the naked eye. Until the invention of the telescope, we couldn't see Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto
blackbeard isn't a villain. blackbeard is luffy minus the privilege of being born into greatness. blackbeard is honestly purer and more just in his actions than luffy. blackbeard fights because he needs to. luffy fights because he wants to. luffy literally struck blackbeard first. blackbeard has never intended to harm luffy once ever. luffy's a lucky quixotist wine mom, while blackbeard was born with nothing and is willing to lose everything and anything to succeed. blackbeard fights for the people from the shadows. he will radicalize luffy and it will take both of them to defeat imu.
Kozuki Momonosuke could represent the moon. The name Kozuki contains the kanji for "light" 光 and "moon" 月. They also used a crescent moon tattoo in Wano to identify those loyal to the Kozuki.
The 5 elder stars represent the 5 closest celestial bodies humans knew about before the invention of the telescope. Surprised you didn't bring that up at all.
Things to mention: One of blackbeards arms is lighting up when used (guragura) and the other is eternally dark, the moon has two sides the bright side and the dark The moon is always facing the earth with the same side, Blackbeard is literally always facing the earth (because he doesn't sleep) Vegapunk having Vega in his name, relating to the Vega star system Food for thought
@@ledddaiuuuuuuuuuuuuu It is one of the Sun's closest neighbour in stars, at a distance of about 25 light-years and one of the brightest stars in the night sky (and is the brightest star in the lyra constellation). Also, wait for it, Vegas spectral type is A meaning Vegas spectral type is White;)
Talking astrology, planets and stars.......Don't forget our Star Clown Buggy. ( I connected some interesting dots if anyone cares to read into it) Sirus: The star closest to our galaxy and even bigger than the Sun. The Brightest star in the Sky. (I think it's connected to Buggy, this is because of Lions Gate Portal that occurs on 8/8 (Buggy's birthday), Where the Sun, Earth and Sirus align. According to Egyptian legends the Nile river floods on this day, bringing prosperity. The perfect day for Magic and Summoning of otherworldly beings. The day of the manifestation of dreams...providing a bridge between the realm of the living and spiritis/angels/demons. .............. Also Sirius is connected to the Egyptian God Osiris.......who was killed and his body parts severed in to many pieces, locked in chests and was later recovered and put back together again after that Osiris became the God of fertillity, afterlife, the Dead and resurrection. Sirius (Loki's torch in norse mythology) is also connected to Loki. Sirus is also related to Thystra ( the rain maker) . .... Osiris was at times considered the eldest son of the earth god Geb (If Imu is thought to be Earth..............well then... that might be worth thinking about.) Also Shanks might be Betelgeus. The Red Giant Star.
Yo the biggest thing i think you missed is the moon's light and glory is due to the SUN. Blackbeard also got fair bit of his glory though luffys battles(He sneaked though Impel down while luffy caused mayhem, Arrived in Marineford after luffy and others fought and weakened the marine, Recently his crew copied gorosei face while luffy is fighting them) ......... You might be on to something bro !
I agree with everything but the association of the moon and blackbeard. I think Vegapunk represents the moon as his message is about to be revealed to the world, shedding light on the darkness of the world (just like the moon reflects sunlight to illuminate the nightsky). Additionally, all of Vegapunk’s satellites are moon related terms (w/ altas, pythagorous, stella, and edison all being craters on the moon). On the other hand, I think Blackbeard represents the vacuum of space as it naturally opposes the light of the sun and plays into the darkness vs light motif a bit better than the moon those are just my thoughts tho and otherwise great video :)
I believe that Zoros mother represents the earth as here name is Tera with Terra meaning earth meaning Zoro and Luffy meeting maybe be destiny as the Eartg is just the right distance from the sun fod life showing how Luffy and Zoro and Zoro maybe more closely linked then we think, as for Imu, Imu backwards spells Umi which means sea in Japanese meaning Imu could be the reason fruit users can't swim however Imu wears all black which the only other thing which is all black is a blackhole which happens then a star collapses on itself however since blackholes have no symbolism to water I would say I could probably be blackbeard as he has a ability literally called Blackhole but I think the moon suits him better and also since there are no blackholes in the milkyway galaxy however overall I do think Zoros mother will play a importsnt role in the story
Black beard is Nibiru the mythical 10th planet home of the anunaki whom where the winged giant gods of the ancient kingdom of sumeria and the planet was prophecied to bring darkness and earthquakes as it approaches the sun. It is also called tyche god of Fate and fortune, nemesis the dark star, or planet X which is allegedly being covered up by the one world shadow gov.
Black beard may also be void (it is part of solar system, but we forget about it). And Imu as someone that control seas(one piece planet), be Luna (Moon controls Earth seas). Imu backward means sea or ocean (Umi).
What is also a thing with bb and the moon is the quake fruit being able to bring trunami's and having a world threatening possibility level effect on the ocean just like the moon if it was pushed out of place
Y'know there's this scientific theory of a primordial black hole existing in our solar system. Its name would be "Nemesis". This would fit Blackbeard perfectly as he is associated with black holes and is literally Luffy's nemesis. Though I don't know how long that theory has been around
Regarding Blackbeard, it’s obvious he’s another Hito Hito user thanks to Luffy now not being a Paramecia anymore: 1) he’s OBVIOUSLY not a logia 2) the “yami yami” is nearly identical to the “Gomu Gomu” 3) since Luffy is one of those 4 “gods” we can see the “moon” isn’t one of them My money is Blackbeard is the earth god because the earth “swallows everything” as alluded by his black hole attack” and his mythical added power is to negate other DFs
@@n1hondude Sawyer's idea is a bit different from my mine, he believes Blackbeard ate the Davy Jones fruit prior to the Yami Yami no Mi, whilst I believe that the Yami Yami no Mi IS the Davy Jones fruit. Plus the way he believes the Davy Jones functions is different from how I think it should function, he believes the Yami Yami no Mi grants the user extra souls to consume other Devil Fruits without dying, whereas I believe that the Davy Jones allows the user to suck in and steal any and everything around them, EVEN people's 𝐃𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦𝐬. Which would explain why Blackbeard can cancell out Devil Fruit abilities through absorption via his "Darkness" powers, because remember Vegapunk stated that Devil Fruits are simply the physical manifestations of people's hopes, dreams and desires, so if the Davy Jones fruit grants you the ability to steal people's dreams, then by extention it'd allow you to steal Devil Fruit powers. I think the reason why Blackbeard is ultimately able to survive after eating more than one Devil Fruit, is unrelated to Yami Yami no Mi/The Davy Jones fruit, instead I think that particular is specifically tied to the uniqueness of Blackbeard's body.
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 Ah yeah, I agree with yours a lot more then, it's part of my comment (although I don't particularly care what the true name of the "yami yami" is, just that it's not a Logia and that's pretty obvious) :) Good stuff nakama
I think there's a strong case to be made that Imu resembles the literal void of space more than he represents earth, the void is literally darkness encompassing every celestial body except for the sun Earth instead would be represented by the people themselves imo
Good video. While it would interesting to know more about how the names of the solar system may play a role in the story, we still need to know more about the Rain & Forest Gods, and who will most likely have them. Also, while I don't mind Imu being the Earth God, I still would like Hancock to be that deity because I believe the 4 Gods should join forces to defeat Imu rather than against each other!
Hi Morj, I enjoyed the video. I have a few points regarding whether Imu is earth and blackbeard is the moon + the significance of them. 1. I think it makes most sense for Imu to be representing earth/the world. As you have said he is the figurehead of the literal entire WORLD government and when Luffy and the strawhats declared war on the world government, they were really declaring war on Imu and their decisions/actions to try kill Robin. 2. Whilst the world is said to already be in darkness waiting for the dawn under Imu, I'm pretty sure it has been explicitly stated in the story that whilst this situation is dark, a rule under blackbeard would be a much darker, hopeless night, if Imu is the world already tainted with darkness, then Blackbeard in this case would be the moon wiping out all light from this world and enveloping it in darkness completely, a truly pitch black night. 3. Whilst I do think the likely order of villains is; defeat blackbeard then defeat Imu/the World Government. I do think a possible scenario is that Blackbeard is the one who defeats Imu/steals Imu god powers and the final fight is actually Luffy defeating Blackbeard in even more dire circumstances than he already faces, with Luffy utilising the resources of the fallen kingdom + Joy Boy and Blackbeard acting as the unhinged god dictator. I think this may be the case because for one, Blackbeard has been set up as end game for a very long time now, whilst we knew the WG would also be endgame for a very longtime, we had no idea of Imu until fairly recently, whilst this makes sense with the narrative of Imu being secret shadow leader, for us as fans we hardly know what Imu is or care about the relatioship with Luffy, with Blackbeard he betrayed Whitebeard, triggered a phase of increased darkness after marineford, used quite unwholesome tactics to get himself ahead in the Laughtale race and was a large part of the reason Ace got killed, literally wiping one hope for the dawn and nearly getting Luffy killed too. Blackbeard just seems much too important to leave out of this solar system analogy and I can't think of a better fit for the moon if Luffy is the sun.
Remember that the gorusei represent the five planets that where known in the days when we believed the planets orbited the earth. While the three outer planets were discovered after it became accepted that the planets orbited the sun.
Just started the video and i genuinly believe that kumas paw symbol is really the sun surrounded by neptune, pluto, and uranus. I haven't seen anyone else bring this up. Edit: a big circle surrounded by 3 smaller circles.
There's an interesting detail: Uranus, Pluton and Poseidon (the names of the ancient weapons) derives from the greek names of the planets/gods. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the names of the Gorosei) derives from the roman names of the planets/gods (the ones that most of the western world uses). Is that a coincidence or Oda is meaning something by not using the roman or the greek names for all of the planetary names?
Morj I’ve been thinking about one of your previous videos where you discuss the order of the final arcs and the final matchups. IIRC you put Luffy fighting with Blackbeard at Laughtale followed by Luffy fighting Imu at the final war. But what if, in Marineford fashion, Blackbeard comes in at the end, after Luffy has beaten Imu and is exhausted from the battle, to take victory for himself. Blackbeard doesn’t like going into fights he doesn’t think he has a sure shot of winning. It’s not going to be a fair fight with him, so I think that’s reason enough for him to wait until after Luffy fights Imu to make his move. It’s also makes sense to me if the fight to see who brings the dawn of the world happens after Imu is taken down. Once there is no obstacle, who is bringing on the dawn, Blackbeard or Luffy? Rather than having that decisive battle happen before, Luffy winning, and then now knowing that Luffy is the one to bring the dawn we see him go after Imu to finally achieve that. Also, I don’t think the One Piece is at Laughtale but rather the identity/reveal of the One Piece will be explained there, and it will lead us to Mariejois. This is a known popular theory, but if the One Piece is actually the all blue or somehow connected to it, then it’ll take Luffy breaking the redline at Mariejois to find the One Piece. I think Luffy and Blackbeard fighting not just over the dawn but also the One Piece at Mariejois makes more sense than fighting at Laughtale. Anyway great theory lol I’ve been thinking about this for a while. Thanks to anyone that actually read this
Small detail to point out. The five planets representing the Gorousei (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, & Saturn) are the five planets visible to the naked eye from Earth. The five elders are the visible rulers of the World. The three planets representing the ancient weapons (Uranus, Neptune, & Pluto) are not visible to the naked eye, just as the ancient weapons have been hidden for centuries.
I’d like to make the case for Blackbeard representing to cold void of space. Like space, Blackbeards power is a black void that all light and matter will eventually succumb to. I especially like the idea because Suns can be considered to “lose” to space after they either explode into supernovae or shrink into white dwarfs that are eventually extinguished by Space. Additionally, it’d be disappointing to me personally if Blackbeard was represented by the Moon, a tiny celestial body hundreds of thousands of times tinier and less impressive than the Sun.
I think it makes sense that Imu represents the earth, as (in addition to everything said in the video) people in the older days used to believe that the entire solar system would rotate around the earth, whereas in reality it rotates around the sun (Luffy)
Sun - Monkey D. Luffy Darkness/ Blackhole - Marshall D. Teach. Mercury - St. Topman Warcury Venus - St. Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro Earth - St. Nerona Imu Moon - St. Figarland Garling Mars - St. Marcus Mars Jupiter - St. Shepherd Ju Peter Saturn - St. Jay Garcia Saturn Uranus - Ancient Weapon Uranus Neptune - Ancient Weapon Poseidon Pluto - Ancient Weapon Pluton
Sorry but this was weak. For years you made high quality videos and had well thought theories, but this was just stating the obvious and than repeating yourself. This Video in nus: the 8 things named after planets stand for the planets, the sun god is the sun, the two remaining celestial bodies are the two main antagonists. Oof. I'll give you one more, the five elder planets(irl) were known as a geocentric model was the truth. Now with better science, we got the newer planets and the heliocentric model. Bet you can make a 10min video out of this conclusion too.
I think BB will defeat IMU and will be new leader of WG. Blue sea will turn into Black sea. Imagine BB pirates + Gorosei, Admirals & Holyknights vs Strawhats, RedHair, CrossGuild, & Revolutionaries at final war. Luffy vs BB Shanks vs Warcury Zoro vs Nusjuro Sanji vs Mars Dorry & Brogy vs Ju Peter Kizaru/Bonny vs Saturn Dragon vs Cong Mihawk vs Garland Sabo vs Akainu Fujitora vs Siryu Crocodile vs Greenbull
i'd like to point out that imu's is unevenly surrounded by the five elders in your graphic. this may be hinting to the idea that joyboy was once an imu follower of some sort.
Do people not see how illogical this is? If all the elder planets are PEOPLE sand Shirahoshi is also a person, OBVIOUSLY Pluton and Uranus will also be people. Oda does things in SETS. It has already been stated in Enies Lobby that the battleship is a COUNTER, don’t people know what that means? Since that arc it was already implied the war between the Ancient Kingdom and the world government. Ancient Kingdom had “weapons”, in quotations because we see with Shirahoshi she is not an object. And hundreds of chapters later Oda introduced for the second time another character with the exact same power, the POWER TO COMMAND ANCIENT GIANT CREATURES. Momonosuke is Pluton and that has been crystal clear since Zou. Stating “Pluton is in Wano” is the cherry on top because Momo is not from Whiskey Peak, he’s not from Amazon Lily, he’s not from the west blue in who knows where, from from Wano. Uranus will be a winged person because that’s the obvious theme. God of the SKY represented by SKY people the same way Poseidon, gold of the SEA is represented by a MERMAID, a SEA PERSON. The biggest proof the battleship is from the WG side and NOT THE ANCIENT KINGDOM is because all the info about the ancient “avatars” is written in INDESTRUCTIBLE PONEGLYPHS, which is something that the World Government does NOT HAVE. The blueprints are written in BURNABLE PAPER. Only allies have of the Ancient King sim protect Poneglyphs: Fishman Island, Wano, Shandora, Mokemo Dukedom, Elbaf (implied but obvious due to narrative) Are people seeing this pattern? Via the lunarians who were viewed as “gods” and stayed at atop the Red Line and by King “waiting” for JoyBoy, whom we now know is Nika, it’s implied the Ancient Kingdom was also atop the Red Line, OR the lunarians themselves where the ancient kingdom, that means anything below the Red Line on the surface is the underworld, aka the land, that’s Pluton, the power to command given to Wano and its royalty heir. Uranus commends sky creatures Pluton commands land. Features Poseidon commands sea creatures This theme of sky land and sea has been obvious since the name reveals in Fishman Island
I always thought that Blackbeard represents a black hole. Taking everything, leaving only devastation behind, sucking in even light. The whole Darkness-DF gravity pull only makes sense if you know about black holes (sorta). The moon has a gravitational pull, yes, but way less than the earth, waaaaay less then the sun and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less than actual black holes. He even has an attack named “black hole”. If you think about it, a black hole is the only thing that could possibly rival a (fictional) sun/star in power. Plus, it’s more of an opposite to it than the moon is, scientifically at least. It would also fit in with the theme of: Imus WG = geocentric view of the universe (old ways) Luffy wins = heliocentric view of the universe (true ending) BB wins = absolute chaos and destruction (bad ending) I would additionally like to mention a few more characters that have celestial themes in them, but weren’t mentioned in the video: The 11 supernova (perfect name, if you think about it) Garp (meteor fist and galaxy impact) Figarland Garling (possible moon, you know why) Vegapunk and his satellites (all of them moon themed names, cause moon = satellite of earth maybe) Essentially any famous pirate that can be considered a „star“ like Cavendish (also double-fits the supernova aka exploding stars and triple-fits luffy aka the sun) 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I think if Shirahoshi is associated w Poseidon/Neptune, then maybe Vivi/Karou could be associated w Uranus, and Momo/Zunesha could be associated w Pluton. Tho maybe Franky could be connected to Pluton too idk... I still think Pluton is a giant mech instead of a ship so I'm prob way off
Why would Imu and Teach need to be represented by planet-like objects like the others when their concept lies beyond that? Teach is the failed star as opposed to Luffy the bright Sun: Blackbeard is represented by a black hole, which sucks everything, destroying anything in its way. Teach brings darkness and chaos, exactly like a black hole. Imu refered to himself as Mu in chapter 1085 and, as explained by TCB, it typically means void. Basically, Imu represents the Void Century and the emptiness that exists between all these celestial bodies. Luffy will oppose Luffy by bringing sunlight in this infinite space. Also, even though we don't know much about him yet, we already have a good reason to believe Garling is represented by the Moon solely due to his hairstyle (very important).
Here is the symbolic detail you missed about Imu being the Earth. During most of humanity's history, people believed that the Earth was the center of the world and every planet and stars (including the Sun) revolved around it. And back then, they only knew 5 Planets outside the Earth. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. It fits perfectly. By the way, the Moon was also considered a planet at that time. And from their perspective, it must have been the most imposing celestial body aside from the Sun. Check out the timeline of discovery of the Solar System for more info.
I posted this in another thread but my theory is that BB's df is not the darkness fruit (renamed just like Luffy's Gomu/Nika fruit). If Luffy has the Sun God/God of Freedom, then BB's is the Moon God/God of Greed. Amd at some point in tbe story, BB will "swallow" Luffy, similar to a solar eclipse.
Hear me out. I still believe that Imu still represents the moon and not Blackbeard. Blackbeard represents something else. First, with Imu's family name making them Imu Nerona. Similar to the Gorosei, Moon is in the name. The idea of the Sun and Light versus the Moon and Darkness is a balance that Luffy threatens with the world government. Also important to note that the Moon loosely controls the ocean tides, symbolizing Imu controling the world over his control of the Ocean with the Red Line. But where does Blackbeard play into this? Throughout the story it's referenced that Roger is waiting for somebody, probably the antithesis of the World government. In this case, most likely Luffy representing the Sun and Imu representing the Moon in the fated match of the light versus the dark. But there's one thing that threatens all of that in terms of Space and Astronomy. One thing that engulfs any Sun and Moon, light and darkness, and generally just leaves a quake of destruction to everything in it's path. The black hole. While Luffy and Imu seem to be fated enemies, the "chosen" of the Will of D, Blackbeard isn't. Said by Whitebeard himself, he doesn't believe Teach is the man Roger was waiting for. That's because he isn't. Blackbeard, like in every other part of the story, represents destruction and represents the end of both the Light and Darkness, just pure chaos.
I honestly think Blackbeard cannot be the moon. I think he's also a sun to represent freedom. He's just not a young, light bringing sun. He's a dead star, a Black Hole. As for the moon... doesn't Saint Garling look like a moon? I think he's the moon to Imu's Earth, circling around like a guardian.
I think it would make more sense if Blackbeard represents dark matter. The all-encompassing darkness, the void of space. Without darkness, there is no light that can shine. So if Blackbeard is the darkness, Imu Nerona ( iMU NErona) would be the moon, and for the Earth itself, I think the best candidate would be Vivi. The Nefertari family has to play a big role for the end of One Piece because we know that Lili was a key player in the void century.
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I agree but I think it would be crazy if Oda makes BB the darkness in space, whereas Luffy is the sun and that is the one thing keeping the darkness from swallowing everything up. I do think there could be another moon
You should try looking into geocentrism and how it was supplanted by heliocentrism during the Renaissance. That might prove enlightening.
All you have to do is listen to the song Aquarius by 5th Dimension
We already know the moon is kozuki momo...
Somewhere right now Oda is cursing out Neil DeGrasse Tyson for removing Pluto as a planet and ruining his story.
Crazy how Oda foreshadowed the whole story by creating the solar system 🤯
@@bradsmith20 There is a reason we put "G" before Oda. LOL
Lol on deez nuts
Didn't they say it was a planet, after all?
@IAmMightyMike I think it's a dwarf planet now.
Removing Pluto as a planet is such a WG move 😂
The planet known as ”Pluto”… never existed!
This may age very well in the coming years...when you look at how the scientific community has been propagandizing many things. From "climate change" to covid, to the whole "gender" debate.
@@banared But the legend of it still passed between generations.
We. Know.
Removing Pluto as a planet is because it doesn’t completely orbit the sun, as it is more influenced by Neptune’s gravity.
Additionally, it hasn’t cleared its orbit. There are other large bodies in Pluto’s path. To be a planet, no other object can share the trajectory of your orbit.
One cool thing is that AFAIK the last 3 planets are the ones that can't be seen by the naked eye, and while the ancients already knew about every planet up until saturn, the last 3 were only discovered by the invention of the telescope. It's a nice little reference to how the 3 ancient weapons have remained hidden for so long.
Damnnnnn
Very Interesting point
Wow, I can't believe the invention of the telescope is a One Piece reference...
They're the five ELDER planets, as in the five planets that have been known since Antiquity.
I don't think One Piece associates the Moon with darkness at all, as it reflects the light of the Sun, powering up the Minks and being associated with the Kozuki clan. "You're the moon unaware of the dawn"
Blackbeard is literally representing the darkness in space, darkness is what opposes sunlight, not the moon. Black Holes suck the light, the Moon reflects it.
Flawed Freedom. Flawed Light.
Nough said
@@poutineausyropderable7108 not enough said, wdym by that
I think the moon fits really well. It does reflect the sun's light, but it emits none by itself. It's a fake, a cheap reflection/imitation of the real deal. It has power, of sorts, in the night (darkness), but when the sun rises, the moon pales away. Except for those rare events, when it's positioned just right to block the sunlight and bathe the earth in terror. I bet we'll see some sort of eclipse in one shape or the other before the end of the story. Like Blackbeard defeating Imu (Earth), establishing a reign of terror, until he's being defeated by Luffy (the Sun).
EDIT: the Moon does literally overshadow the Earth during an eclipse ;) Imagine Blackbeard being an even greater threat than Imu.
@@dorderre I guess that explanations fits as well, but I like the idea of Blackbeards' darkness being around everything, lurking.
I'm specially adhering to how the moon and darkness are tipically represented in the story. Specfically the night and darkness are antagonistic to the sun, not the moon.
We could also argue that Garling could represent the moon, orbiting the Earth really close.
The thematics are still not clear though, as even Imu can be directly represented by darkness, and specially the void, directly opposing Luffy too.
I'd also question if the Moon is meant to be represented by a villain because the Lunarians are directly victims of the world government and seemed to believe Joyboy would change the world for the better. We now have an army of slave lunarian child soldiers the WG are using that Luffy will inevitably free. Also Urouge is still a massive question mark still and the sky people seem related to the Lunarians in some way so that's another possibility.
Crazy how they made the solar system to reference one piece 😮
U crazy😂
The one piece is real!!!!
It's from the song Aquarius by 5th Dimension.
Why is that "crazy"? do people just find anything impressive these days?
Bro I knew this all theory 2 years ago if u don't believe me idk how can I make you trust me but I had already defined this whole solar system theory
There's also the concept that Luffy vs. Imu represents the heliocentric vs. geocentric model. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were all visible before telescopes were invented and everyone believed in the geocentric model of the solar system. But after the invention of the telescope and the discovery of Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto, we also confirmed and codified the heliocentric model.
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I'm suprised you didn't mention Imus name is the inverse of Umi, the sea, which pretty much represents the "Earth" of One Piece. Also, this is surface level, but Garling has a crescent moon face, so it is arguable that he has a moon based subordinate. Just an interesting note
Also Imu lives in Pangea castle, Pangea being basically a world continent. Plus it's on the red line, which the giants call a great serpent, referencing the viking world serpent
Not in Japanese. In Japanese, it's spelled イム, or "Imu." The reverse would be ムイ, or "Mui." The first word to come up when searching "Mui" on Jisho (a Japanese/English dictionary) means "inactivity" or "idleness," which I think fits Imu quite well.
@@greatestcait Imu is actually secretly Dragon??
In Chinese, Emo is demon
Ever since we say Figarland Garling, I have been under the impression that he represents the moon. He literally looks like a moon lol. As to Blackbeard, I think he represents the darkness of space, potentially even a black hole. Black holes are made when a star implodes. He is a D but the inverse of Luffy, he is a tainted star. He is the darkness of space, the void.
Black Beard representing the moons makes sense if you consider how he seems to have multiple personalities like the moon has different phases. Very interesting theory Morjman
Even your theory makes sense too!
This isn't a Wano video. He lied again.
Ofc he lied 😔
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
The wano vid will live on in our hearts
lied about what
Another point I'd like to make is Van Augur's "The World" statement when asked what the BB pirates aim to gain out of this
Which basically means Blackbeard (The Moon) wishes to take over The World (Earth), Imu
And here i just thought he wanted Dio's stand
@@rishabhanand4973 it'd be crazy useful, too
I think Shanks is the moon, especially after seeing Garling, a reflection of the light of the sun, keeping the light shining if only a bit in the night, where as Blackbeard seems very clearly depicted as void, the space between.
It makes even more sense to have Imu as Earth if you consider geocentric/heliocentric models of the universe. People look at that one panel during Robin's flashback and think Earth has multiple moons, while I'm 99% sure those are not moons but other planets, and OP world believes in geocentric model where Earth is at the center of universe and other planets circle around it.
With geocentric model, Earth = center, so Imu is at the center and gorosei circle around Imu.
Heliocentrism was discovered in 16th century, so basically the same century we have in OP verse.
Luffy beating Imu is basically destroying the geocentric model and intruducing heliicentric one, when sun is at the center.
Though the moon symbolism is valid for Blackbeard i think we're forgetting another just as important
The Kozuki
The Sun/Nika is the reason the Minks reach Sulong thanks to the Kozuki’s reflection
The moon(Kozuki) that casted 9 shadows(Scabbards) can be interpreted as Oden and by extension Momo
Thanks to Luffy their shadows were casted on the night of the raid
This is a story about defeating the Night
But what if there’s worse than Night lurking? actual darkness
Could Blackbeard be a Black Hole
Don't they look like Black suns?
I love how vegapunk's alters are called satellites, keeping with the Celestial theme, but in a more technological way
Morj, maybe the reason that Oda chose the inner most planets to be the gorosei is because they are visible to the naked eye and, for some centuries, believed to be the only planets in our system. The others were discovered much later after the invention of the telescope
"Even surf shark can't track me" knowing how vpn's work I know for a fact they can. Weather they choose to or not is an entire separate discussion.
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Morj, I really disagree with this idea that Blackbeard represents "flawed freedom."
Think about it: when have we ever actually outright seen Blackbeard fighting for, or believing in freedom at all? The closest thing is his "people's dreams never die" philosophy, but he only really seems to use that to justify reaching his own dreams at the expense of those of others.
Meanwhile, we have consistently seen Blackbeard work to oppress the freedoms of others from his introductory arc, with him going after Luffy in Jaya for his bounty, or him killing Thatch for his Devil Fruit, or him defeating and indirectly killing Ace to finish off Whitebeard, or helping destroy Impel Down to gain some crewmates. He has always been someone who oppresses the dreams and free will of others who, unlike the people Luffy defeats, weren't themselves oppressing the dreams and free will of others, in order to gain more power for himself.
And that's not to mention him being revealed to own slaves/have people imprisoned on Fullalead in the recent arc, or him wanting to ally himself as a recognised king with the World Government - the ultimate oppressor of freedom throughout the series. What about Blackbeard yelling about how he'll "swallow up everything" and "destroy everything" at Marineford makes him sound like a fighter for freedom, Morj?
To me, Blackbeard is essentially just a representation of an Imu who hadn't beaten the Ancient Kingdom yet. A worldwide dictator in waiting. A king without a kingdom.
Blackbeard doesn't represent freedom in my opinion, but anarchy. He is someone who uses his freedom - his ability to do as he likes - to take it away from others. He only seems to believe in one rule: that might makes right.
I feel Blackbeard does represent freedom in a way, he’s very much on the idea of carving your own fate and doing whatever you desire. When Blackbeard was about to die from Magellan, he didn’t really curse it or act entitled, he was just like “Well, fate ordained it and I couldn’t make the cut. Magellan’s dream beat mine. Oh well, I gave it a shot”, and then when shiryu saved him he basically said “Wow, that was lucky. Looks like I can fight for my dream another day! Fate seems to like me. Shiryu join my crew.”
I feel Blackbeard embraces the idea of everyone having dreams and everyone having the right to fight for them, in his case his dream is just take over the world and start a world where people don’t have anyone blocking their dreams. Blackbeard seems to want to destroy everything to make a world of anarchy. In his mind, if someone or something gets in the way of your dream you should move it out of the way no matter the cost. So, it’s not freedom in the same exact sense as what Luffy feels, but it’s of the same vein. A twisted version of it.
But, honestly BB’s origins and true motivations don’t have much info yet so I think we will have to wait before really solidifying his philosophy.
Respectfully, I disagree.
What I think you misunderstand is the difference between personal freedom and freedom for all. Luffy is the physical embodiment of freedom for himself and others whereas Blackbeard is only the physical embodiment of freedom for himself. Remember, in one piece part of freedom is being strong enough to beat anyone who tries to stop you. Both Luffy and Blackbeard have reached this level of strength, they're both emporers strong enough to challange anyone who opposes them and gearing up to challenge the world government, which is antithetical to freedom.
The way I see it the diffrence between Luffy's brand of freedom and Blackbeard's is what they'll do when the world government falls. While Luffy will eredicate the world government and leave the world a safe place for all, Blackbeard will become the new head of the world government, using his personal freedom to steal the freedom of others.
I agree with your point about Blackbeard being like Imu but I believe that Blackbeard is the next generation Imu just like Luffy is the next generation Roger/Joyboy. If we assume at face value that Imu is control the question we have to ask is how did Imu gain control? The answer is given in the story, he overthrew the ancient kingdoms. Imu used his freedom to overthrow the existing regime and in its place. One where he uses his freedom to take away the freedom of other, making him the physical embodiment of control.
the fundamental flaw of flawed freedom, the thing that makes it flawed freedom instead of pure freedom, is that following its path leads to control. If Imu is defeated before Blackbeard the fight between Luffy and Blackbeard will absolutely be about if the world is free or controled, but not because blackbeard is control, but because he is fated to become control because the is the end ultimate end point of folloing the path of flawed freedom.
Luffy is essentially the idea that everyone has freedom so long as it doesn't overlap others' while Blackbeard is the idea of absolute freedom without holds. The problem with each pretty much explain themselves: is it truly free if there are limits vs is anyone truly free if someone else can invade on that?
Blackbeard seems to think everyone should be able to do as they please which explains why his home is essentially the Wild West, and as he's the "leader" of it all it seems to appear that such a place is the ideal world to him. This connects with Blackbeard's philosophy of fate which appears to be him submitting to whichever ultimate outcome is achieved. Everyone is free to try and stop Blackbeard but as such he's also free to keep going until that day comes assuming it is fated
Figarland is literally moon faced
I’m very curious to see the significance of garling
All this planetary symbology has me thinking of Sailor Moon, all nine planets, the sun, and the moon being represented there too. There is no Sailor Earth in the line up, but Mamoru Chiba/Tuxedo Mask holds the Golden Crystal that acts as Earth’s celestial core. Sailor Galaxia, the final villain of the series, acts as a “sun as a destroyer and consumer of life/light” symbolic device. Finding a One Piece equivalent, it could be said that she coincides with Imu and Blackbeard at the same time.
As for Usagi Tsukino, the iconic Sailor Moon, Oda gave us his own version back in Whole Cake Island. Carrot as the first to showcase the “moon lion” form unleashed at the full moon. Carrot turns into a literal “moon rabbit” to take down the battleships! How funny amd awesome is that?!
You're basically among the few one piece creators I still tune to.
Your theories are amazing ❤
You mean like the one about the raid failing?LMAO
Figarland Garling and The Vearth God: am I a joke to you?
Wouldn't shanks dad be the moon since he protects imu from the sun, and Blackbeard be a black hole since everything around him he destroys and if he follows xebec, it would make more sense.
Plus black holes are collapsed suns, so it fits with him being an evil "D" member and counter to the sun as blackholes suck in light aka the sun
We reached the Final week of the break. Hallelujah. Also Just had to say Episode 1100 was beyond Fantastic.
That punch was peak.
Glad I could be here before Morj starts studying ancient astrology and alchemy to become an ascended esoteric master.
morj; the 9 planets will connect
oda: we will see about that
at the end of a recent chapter it said "the planets are aligning"
🤣
It also occurs to me that the only "Planet" that we know is on Luffy's side (Poseidon) uses the Greek name of the relevant planet/deity (the Latin name is Neptune). There's actually one other Planet that does that - Uranus. Uranus is the *Greek* name of the god of the sky - the equivalent Latin name is the almost-never-used Caelus. This could be a hint that Uranus will end up supporting/being used by Luffy rather than the WG. Conversely, Pluton's name is Latin, the equivalent of Hades. This might support the idea that Pluton will end up in the hands of Luffy's enemies, though in this case I suspect Blackbeard rather than the WG.
I think people should look into Dante's hierarchy of the Heavenly Spheres. I'm pretty sure as allegory One Piece draws from those than from the Solar System. The 5 Elders are "heavenly spheres" but not the ancient weapons. The "Empyrean" is the most meaningful metaphor for "the land of the Gods" from which used to stand at the top of the Red Line prior to WG.
"In ancient European cosmologies inspired by Aristotle, the Empyrean Heaven, Empyreal or simply the Empyrean, was the place in the highest heaven, which was supposed to be occupied by the element of fire" - Alas, Land of the Gods - Lunarians. One Piece's focus on the motif of Fire and inherited will, and Skypea being a miscrocosm: "Light the Fire of Shadora!" likewise Luffy shall light the fire of the Land of The Gods and take down the false deity, like he did with Enel.
Here is the hierarchy fo the Heavenly/Celestial SPheres:
1. Moon (Luna): The first sphere represents the realm of the inconstant, and it is inhabited by those who were unable to fulfill their vows. - LIKELY ST. GARLING
2. Mercury (Mercurio): In the second sphere, Dante meets those who were motivated by an active life of ambition and desire for fame and glory. These souls are now blessed with the joy of wisdom and knowledge.
3. Venus (Venere): The third sphere is inhabited by those who were driven by the desire for earthly love and physical beauty.
4. Sun (Sole): In the fourth sphere, Dante encounters the theologians and doctors of the Church, including Thomas Aquinas and Albertus Magnus, who illuminate him with their wisdom.
5. Mars (Marte): The fifth sphere is the realm of the warriors of Christ, those who fought for the faith. Dante meets the soul of Cacciaguida, his own ancestor, who prophesies Dante's exile from Florence.
6. Jupiter (Giove): In the sixth sphere, Dante meets the just rulers and governors, including the Roman emperor Justinian, who narrates the history of the Roman Empire.
7. Saturn (Saturno): The seventh sphere is the realm of contemplatives and hermits, those who renounced the world for the pursuit of spiritual enlightenment. Dante encounters the spirit of St. Peter Damian here.
8. Fixed Stars (Stelle fisse): In the eighth sphere, Dante encounters the angels, who move the stars and planets and serve as intermediaries between God and humanity. - SERAPHIMS
9. Primum Mobile (Primo Mobile): The ninth and final sphere represents the perfection of divine love and the source of all motion in the universe. It is here that Dante beholds the Beatific Vision and experiences the presence of God himself. - BLACK BEARD / WILL OF ROX
10. The Empyrean: The Empyrean is portrayed as the abode of God, surrounded by the highest order of angels and the souls of the blessed. It represents the culmination of Dante's journey toward the ultimate union with the divine. - IMU
The twist being that the Gorosei are devils, and inspired by easter mythology rather than western, though Oda being a christian. Again, a great inversion: "Hell is where Heaven should be". Think of the layering of Impel Down. It follows a similair pattern to the Circles of Hell. The exclusion of the Ancient Weapons if for they belong to the Ancient Kingdom, thus they are expelled from paradise, as that is something that isn't meant to exist.
the issue with blackbeard or imu representing the moon is that all of the wano daimyo families were named after the moon except for the kurozumi, indicating that the moon was historically (and is thematically) a good thing. and other things like oda calling benn beckman the moon to shanks' sun, or G5 first appearing silhouetted against the moon, i don't think Oda has this idea of the moon being an antagonistic figure thematically
Toki's prophecy explicitly spells out that Orochi is the "the moon" who would fall when Dawn came to Wano. So even though wano's daimyo families were named after the moon, Orochi was the one who was meant to actually represent the moon in the Wano conflict. Idk why Oda named the Kozuki after the crescent moon tbh, maybe other people have a better idea for that, but it's unambiguously spelled out that symbolically Orochi is the moon in Wano.
@@MrMorj that's a very good point, i had misremembered how toki's prophecy exactly went. you're probably right
@@MrMorj kurozomi mean black charcoal. it is darknenss that engulf wano. moon is a good thing in one piece. it give a temporary lighht to those who suffers
Blackbeard is clearly represent the black hole and the darkness of the space.the moon is always represented as a partner to the sun and a reflection to the sun's light when the night falls.
So the moon is someone ho's gonna be an ally to Luffy not an enemy
imu is umi backwards. umi is sea in japanese. in one piece we hear a lot about mother sea. imo its obvious imu represents the earth and ,,natural order" where as sun and moon, aka luffy and brithish edp are trying to change the earth, aka theyre both trying to overthrow imu.
Another moon parallel with Blackbeard is that he is incredibly similar to Luffy at first glance, but somewhat of a distorted mirror, just as the Moon's light (Flawed Freedom) is just a refraction of the Sun's light (True Freedom)
I like this theory. Only adjustment I’d make is following the idea that nobody represents Earth;
When I think of Blackbeard and Darkness, I dont think of the moon but instead I think of the Void, the darkness that fills the space between all. It would make sense why his fruit would be different and can affect the other fruit users, since it seems like Void=Mass=Gravity, and thats how he brings in the devils of other fruits.
If the Moon represented Imu for the “night” that has been cast over the world, it would also make sense how they could influence the sea(world) as a false god since Imu backwards is Sea and the moon controls the tides.
I think the Earth doesnt need to be represented as it stands for Nature, the world everyone shares, that has the Treasure Tree’s, Sea Kings, Islands and all the parts of the world that aren’t necessarily “controlled” but have tried to be by others aiming to rule the world
We have our moon now
I aint ever heard someone prounounce Uranus as "UR-AH-NUS"
what about my anus
and now you have
lol first time here bud ?
@@PokeRomeGamezyup
Missed the connection from geocentrism (planets revolving around the earth = gorosei revolving around Imu) to heliocentrism (that is that the planets are actually revolving around the Sun and the Luffy is the one true savior, being freedom at the center of the governing system)
heliocentric theory is false womp womp
At one point, it was believed that the universe was geocentric- that everything revolved around the earth including the sun. It was considered blasphemy at one point to say that the earth revolved around the sun. Also the 5 elder planets refer to the first planets discovered by humanity with the naked eye. Until the invention of the telescope, we couldn't see Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto
blackbeard isn't a villain. blackbeard is luffy minus the privilege of being born into greatness. blackbeard is honestly purer and more just in his actions than luffy. blackbeard fights because he needs to. luffy fights because he wants to. luffy literally struck blackbeard first. blackbeard has never intended to harm luffy once ever. luffy's a lucky quixotist wine mom, while blackbeard was born with nothing and is willing to lose everything and anything to succeed. blackbeard fights for the people from the shadows. he will radicalize luffy and it will take both of them to defeat imu.
Kozuki Momonosuke could represent the moon. The name Kozuki contains the kanji for "light" 光 and "moon" 月. They also used a crescent moon tattoo in Wano to identify those loyal to the Kozuki.
Amazing theory you got here! Just wanted to point out that you accidentally put Shirahoshi above Uranus rather than Neptune.
The 5 elder stars represent the 5 closest celestial bodies humans knew about before the invention of the telescope. Surprised you didn't bring that up at all.
Things to mention:
One of blackbeards arms is lighting up when used (guragura) and the other is eternally dark, the moon has two sides the bright side and the dark
The moon is always facing the earth with the same side, Blackbeard is literally always facing the earth (because he doesn't sleep)
Vegapunk having Vega in his name, relating to the Vega star system
Food for thought
what is the Vega star system?
@@ledddaiuuuuuuuuuuuuu It is one of the Sun's closest neighbour in stars, at a distance of about 25 light-years and one of the brightest stars in the night sky (and is the brightest star in the lyra constellation). Also, wait for it, Vegas spectral type is A meaning Vegas spectral type is White;)
Everything is accurate except bb represents a black hole, not the moon, the power that swallows all.
Talking astrology, planets and stars.......Don't forget our Star Clown Buggy. ( I connected some interesting dots if anyone cares to read into it)
Sirus: The star closest to our galaxy and even bigger than the Sun. The Brightest star in the Sky. (I think it's connected to Buggy, this is because of Lions Gate Portal that occurs on 8/8 (Buggy's birthday), Where the Sun, Earth and Sirus align. According to Egyptian legends the Nile river floods on this day, bringing prosperity. The perfect day for Magic and Summoning of otherworldly beings. The day of the manifestation of dreams...providing a bridge between the realm of the living and spiritis/angels/demons. .............. Also Sirius is connected to the Egyptian God Osiris.......who was killed and his body parts severed in to many pieces, locked in chests and was later recovered and put back together again after that Osiris became the God of fertillity, afterlife, the Dead and resurrection. Sirius (Loki's torch in norse mythology) is also connected to Loki. Sirus is also related to Thystra ( the rain maker) . ....
Osiris was at times considered the eldest son of the earth god Geb (If Imu is thought to be Earth..............well then... that might be worth thinking about.)
Also Shanks might be Betelgeus. The Red Giant Star.
Yo the biggest thing i think you missed is the moon's light and glory is due to the SUN. Blackbeard also got fair bit of his glory though luffys battles(He sneaked though Impel down while luffy caused mayhem, Arrived in Marineford after luffy and others fought and weakened the marine, Recently his crew copied gorosei face while luffy is fighting them) ......... You might be on to something bro !
Ngl ya'all one piece theorists carry me through long break weeks
I agree with everything but the association of the moon and blackbeard. I think Vegapunk represents the moon as his message is about to be revealed to the world, shedding light on the darkness of the world (just like the moon reflects sunlight to illuminate the nightsky). Additionally, all of Vegapunk’s satellites are moon related terms (w/ altas, pythagorous, stella, and edison all being craters on the moon).
On the other hand, I think Blackbeard represents the vacuum of space as it naturally opposes the light of the sun and plays into the darkness vs light motif a bit better than the moon
those are just my thoughts tho and otherwise great video :)
I believe that Zoros mother represents the earth as here name is Tera with Terra meaning earth meaning Zoro and Luffy meeting maybe be destiny as the Eartg is just the right distance from the sun fod life showing how Luffy and Zoro and Zoro maybe more closely linked then we think, as for Imu, Imu backwards spells Umi which means sea in Japanese meaning Imu could be the reason fruit users can't swim however Imu wears all black which the only other thing which is all black is a blackhole which happens then a star collapses on itself however since blackholes have no symbolism to water I would say I could probably be blackbeard as he has a ability literally called Blackhole but I think the moon suits him better and also since there are no blackholes in the milkyway galaxy however overall I do think Zoros mother will play a importsnt role in the story
Black beard is Nibiru the mythical 10th planet home of the anunaki whom where the winged giant gods of the ancient kingdom of sumeria and the planet was prophecied to bring darkness and earthquakes as it approaches the sun. It is also called tyche god of Fate and fortune, nemesis the dark star, or planet X which is allegedly being covered up by the one world shadow gov.
Nooo IMU is the MOON …LUFFY is the SUN and BLACK BEARD is the BLACKHOLE 🙏👍thank me later
Is this VPN stuff legal especially when changing location access netflix...that's not available .?!
Imu representing Earth also has Gnostic symbolism with the Demiurge, who is seen as the "false god of the earth".
There's a lot of moon references in Wano too. I've also thought Momo represented the moon.
Black beard may also be void (it is part of solar system, but we forget about it). And Imu as someone that control seas(one piece planet), be Luna (Moon controls Earth seas). Imu backward means sea or ocean (Umi).
Imu Nerona
I (moon) erona
Also Enel wanted to go to the moon more than anything but you chose not to mention it lol
Nvm I finished the video 😭
You mixing up neptune and uranus in terms of how far away they are triggered me to an unreasonable extent, neptune is the farthest not uranus
I see we're scrapping for content this week. It's okay Morj. We get it. OP Break got us all like that.
How about the earth being the one piece and black beard is darkness 7:02
garling's face looks like the moon? Can we consider him as the moon?
Nami/Zoro could
be the moon that reflects Luffy light
What is also a thing with bb and the moon is the quake fruit being able to bring trunami's and having a world threatening possibility level effect on the ocean just like the moon if it was pushed out of place
Y'know there's this scientific theory of a primordial black hole existing in our solar system. Its name would be "Nemesis". This would fit Blackbeard perfectly as he is associated with black holes and is literally Luffy's nemesis. Though I don't know how long that theory has been around
If you consider that Blackbeard might replace Imu then they can both be the moon.
Shank’s dad is the Moon 🌙
To protect the 🌍, Imu
Regarding Blackbeard, it’s obvious he’s another Hito Hito user thanks to Luffy now not being a Paramecia anymore:
1) he’s OBVIOUSLY not a logia
2) the “yami yami” is nearly identical to the “Gomu Gomu”
3) since Luffy is one of those 4 “gods” we can see the “moon” isn’t one of them
My money is Blackbeard is the earth god because the earth “swallows everything” as alluded by his black hole attack” and his mythical added power is to negate other DFs
My theory is that Blackbeard has the Hito Hito No Mi Mythical Zoan, Model: 𝑫𝒂𝒗𝒚 𝑱𝒐𝒏𝒆𝒔
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 Taken from Sawyer? I love that theory too
@@n1hondude Sawyer's idea is a bit different from my mine, he believes Blackbeard ate the Davy Jones fruit prior to the Yami Yami no Mi, whilst I believe that the Yami Yami no Mi IS the Davy Jones fruit.
Plus the way he believes the Davy Jones functions is different from how I think it should function, he believes the Yami Yami no Mi grants the user extra souls to consume other Devil Fruits without dying, whereas I believe that the Davy Jones allows the user to suck in and steal any and everything around them, EVEN people's 𝐃𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦𝐬.
Which would explain why Blackbeard can cancell out Devil Fruit abilities through absorption via his "Darkness" powers, because remember Vegapunk stated that Devil Fruits are simply the physical manifestations of people's hopes, dreams and desires, so if the Davy Jones fruit grants you the ability to steal people's dreams, then by extention it'd allow you to steal Devil Fruit powers.
I think the reason why Blackbeard is ultimately able to survive after eating more than one Devil Fruit, is unrelated to Yami Yami no Mi/The Davy Jones fruit, instead I think that particular is specifically tied to the uniqueness of Blackbeard's body.
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 Ah yeah, I agree with yours a lot more then, it's part of my comment (although I don't particularly care what the true name of the "yami yami" is, just that it's not a Logia and that's pretty obvious)
:)
Good stuff nakama
I still say Pluto is a planet, no one can tell me otherwise!
Great vid but, “Ur-On-ass”, seriously?
I think there's a strong case to be made that Imu resembles the literal void of space more than he represents earth, the void is literally darkness encompassing every celestial body except for the sun Earth instead would be represented by the people themselves imo
Great video Morj. Although I will say at this point in the story I'm actually 50/50 on whether Imu or Blackbeard will be the final villain.
Good video. While it would interesting to know more about how the names of the solar system may play a role in the story, we still need to know more about the Rain & Forest Gods, and who will most likely have them.
Also, while I don't mind Imu being the Earth God, I still would like Hancock to be that deity because I believe the 4 Gods should join forces to defeat Imu rather than against each other!
Hi Morj, I enjoyed the video. I have a few points regarding whether Imu is earth and blackbeard is the moon + the significance of them.
1. I think it makes most sense for Imu to be representing earth/the world. As you have said he is the figurehead of the literal entire WORLD government and when Luffy and the strawhats declared war on the world government, they were really declaring war on Imu and their decisions/actions to try kill Robin.
2. Whilst the world is said to already be in darkness waiting for the dawn under Imu, I'm pretty sure it has been explicitly stated in the story that whilst this situation is dark, a rule under blackbeard would be a much darker, hopeless night, if Imu is the world already tainted with darkness, then Blackbeard in this case would be the moon wiping out all light from this world and enveloping it in darkness completely, a truly pitch black night.
3. Whilst I do think the likely order of villains is; defeat blackbeard then defeat Imu/the World Government. I do think a possible scenario is that Blackbeard is the one who defeats Imu/steals Imu god powers and the final fight is actually Luffy defeating Blackbeard in even more dire circumstances than he already faces, with Luffy utilising the resources of the fallen kingdom + Joy Boy and Blackbeard acting as the unhinged god dictator. I think this may be the case because for one, Blackbeard has been set up as end game for a very long time now, whilst we knew the WG would also be endgame for a very longtime, we had no idea of Imu until fairly recently, whilst this makes sense with the narrative of Imu being secret shadow leader, for us as fans we hardly know what Imu is or care about the relatioship with Luffy, with Blackbeard he betrayed Whitebeard, triggered a phase of increased darkness after marineford, used quite unwholesome tactics to get himself ahead in the Laughtale race and was a large part of the reason Ace got killed, literally wiping one hope for the dawn and nearly getting Luffy killed too.
Blackbeard just seems much too important to leave out of this solar system analogy and I can't think of a better fit for the moon if Luffy is the sun.
The man marked by flames is a bounty hunter
Vearth is Earth unless Iva does not say it.
Morj got the personality of a librarian
Figarland Garling is the moon Mr Morj
Remember that the gorusei represent the five planets that where known in the days when we believed the planets orbited the earth. While the three outer planets were discovered after it became accepted that the planets orbited the sun.
Just started the video and i genuinly believe that kumas paw symbol is really the sun surrounded by neptune, pluto, and uranus. I haven't seen anyone else bring this up.
Edit: a big circle surrounded by 3 smaller circles.
Breakweek MrMorj
There's an interesting detail:
Uranus, Pluton and Poseidon (the names of the ancient weapons) derives from the greek names of the planets/gods.
Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the names of the Gorosei) derives from the roman names of the planets/gods (the ones that most of the western world uses).
Is that a coincidence or Oda is meaning something by not using the roman or the greek names for all of the planetary names?
Morj I’ve been thinking about one of your previous videos where you discuss the order of the final arcs and the final matchups. IIRC you put Luffy fighting with Blackbeard at Laughtale followed by Luffy fighting Imu at the final war. But what if, in Marineford fashion, Blackbeard comes in at the end, after Luffy has beaten Imu and is exhausted from the battle, to take victory for himself. Blackbeard doesn’t like going into fights he doesn’t think he has a sure shot of winning. It’s not going to be a fair fight with him, so I think that’s reason enough for him to wait until after Luffy fights Imu to make his move. It’s also makes sense to me if the fight to see who brings the dawn of the world happens after Imu is taken down. Once there is no obstacle, who is bringing on the dawn, Blackbeard or Luffy? Rather than having that decisive battle happen before, Luffy winning, and then now knowing that Luffy is the one to bring the dawn we see him go after Imu to finally achieve that. Also, I don’t think the One Piece is at Laughtale but rather the identity/reveal of the One Piece will be explained there, and it will lead us to Mariejois. This is a known popular theory, but if the One Piece is actually the all blue or somehow connected to it, then it’ll take Luffy breaking the redline at Mariejois to find the One Piece. I think Luffy and Blackbeard fighting not just over the dawn but also the One Piece at Mariejois makes more sense than fighting at Laughtale. Anyway great theory lol I’ve been thinking about this for a while. Thanks to anyone that actually read this
Man. I knew morj was a toker. I could see it in his streams. Boi eyelids be heavy
Small detail to point out. The five planets representing the Gorousei (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, & Saturn) are the five planets visible to the naked eye from Earth. The five elders are the visible rulers of the World. The three planets representing the ancient weapons (Uranus, Neptune, & Pluto) are not visible to the naked eye, just as the ancient weapons have been hidden for centuries.
I’d like to make the case for Blackbeard representing to cold void of space. Like space, Blackbeards power is a black void that all light and matter will eventually succumb to. I especially like the idea because Suns can be considered to “lose” to space after they either explode into supernovae or shrink into white dwarfs that are eventually extinguished by Space. Additionally, it’d be disappointing to me personally if Blackbeard was represented by the Moon, a tiny celestial body hundreds of thousands of times tinier and less impressive than the Sun.
I think it makes sense that Imu represents the earth, as (in addition to everything said in the video) people in the older days used to believe that the entire solar system would rotate around the earth, whereas in reality it rotates around the sun (Luffy)
Luffy is nothing
Sun - Monkey D. Luffy
Darkness/ Blackhole - Marshall D. Teach.
Mercury - St. Topman Warcury
Venus - St. Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro
Earth - St. Nerona Imu
Moon - St. Figarland Garling
Mars - St. Marcus Mars
Jupiter - St. Shepherd Ju Peter
Saturn - St. Jay Garcia Saturn
Uranus - Ancient Weapon Uranus
Neptune - Ancient Weapon Poseidon
Pluto - Ancient Weapon Pluton
Sorry but this was weak. For years you made high quality videos and had well thought theories, but this was just stating the obvious and than repeating yourself. This Video in nus: the 8 things named after planets stand for the planets, the sun god is the sun, the two remaining celestial bodies are the two main antagonists. Oof. I'll give you one more, the five elder planets(irl) were known as a geocentric model was the truth. Now with better science, we got the newer planets and the heliocentric model. Bet you can make a 10min video out of this conclusion too.
ok
I think BB will defeat IMU and will be new leader of WG. Blue sea will turn into Black sea. Imagine BB pirates + Gorosei, Admirals & Holyknights vs Strawhats, RedHair, CrossGuild, & Revolutionaries at final war.
Luffy vs BB
Shanks vs Warcury
Zoro vs Nusjuro
Sanji vs Mars
Dorry & Brogy vs Ju Peter
Kizaru/Bonny vs Saturn
Dragon vs Cong
Mihawk vs Garland
Sabo vs Akainu
Fujitora vs Siryu
Crocodile vs Greenbull
i'd like to point out that imu's is unevenly surrounded by the five elders in your graphic. this may be hinting to the idea that joyboy was once an imu follower of some sort.
Do people not see how illogical this is? If all the elder planets are PEOPLE sand Shirahoshi is also a person, OBVIOUSLY Pluton and Uranus will also be people. Oda does things in SETS.
It has already been stated in Enies Lobby that the battleship is a COUNTER, don’t people know what that means? Since that arc it was already implied the war between the Ancient Kingdom and the world government.
Ancient Kingdom had “weapons”, in quotations because we see with Shirahoshi she is not an object. And hundreds of chapters later Oda introduced for the second time another character with the exact same power, the POWER TO COMMAND ANCIENT GIANT CREATURES. Momonosuke is Pluton and that has been crystal clear since Zou. Stating “Pluton is in Wano” is the cherry on top because Momo is not from Whiskey Peak, he’s not from Amazon Lily, he’s not from the west blue in who knows where, from from Wano.
Uranus will be a winged person because that’s the obvious theme. God of the SKY represented by SKY people the same way Poseidon, gold of the SEA is represented by a MERMAID, a SEA PERSON.
The biggest proof the battleship is from the WG side and NOT THE ANCIENT KINGDOM is because all the info about the ancient “avatars” is written in INDESTRUCTIBLE PONEGLYPHS, which is something that the World Government does NOT HAVE. The blueprints are written in BURNABLE PAPER.
Only allies have of the Ancient King sim protect Poneglyphs:
Fishman Island, Wano, Shandora, Mokemo Dukedom, Elbaf (implied but obvious due to narrative)
Are people seeing this pattern?
Via the lunarians who were viewed as “gods” and stayed at atop the Red Line and by King “waiting” for JoyBoy, whom we now know is Nika, it’s implied the Ancient Kingdom was also atop the Red Line, OR the lunarians themselves where the ancient kingdom, that means anything below the Red Line on the surface is the underworld, aka the land, that’s Pluton, the power to command given to Wano and its royalty heir.
Uranus commends sky creatures
Pluton commands land. Features
Poseidon commands sea creatures
This theme of sky land and sea has been obvious since the name reveals in Fishman Island
I always thought that Blackbeard represents a black hole. Taking everything, leaving only devastation behind, sucking in even light.
The whole Darkness-DF gravity pull only makes sense if you know about black holes (sorta). The moon has a gravitational pull, yes, but way less than the earth, waaaaay less then the sun and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less than actual black holes. He even has an attack named “black hole”.
If you think about it, a black hole is the only thing that could possibly rival a (fictional) sun/star in power. Plus, it’s more of an opposite to it than the moon is, scientifically at least.
It would also fit in with the theme of:
Imus WG = geocentric view of the universe (old ways)
Luffy wins = heliocentric view of the universe (true ending)
BB wins = absolute chaos and destruction (bad ending)
I would additionally like to mention a few more characters that have celestial themes in them, but weren’t mentioned in the video:
The 11 supernova (perfect name, if you think about it)
Garp (meteor fist and galaxy impact)
Figarland Garling (possible moon, you know why)
Vegapunk and his satellites (all of them moon themed names, cause moon = satellite of earth maybe)
Essentially any famous pirate that can be considered a „star“ like Cavendish (also double-fits the supernova aka exploding stars and triple-fits luffy aka the sun)
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I think if Shirahoshi is associated w Poseidon/Neptune, then maybe Vivi/Karou could be associated w Uranus, and Momo/Zunesha could be associated w Pluton. Tho maybe Franky could be connected to Pluton too idk... I still think Pluton is a giant mech instead of a ship so I'm prob way off
Why would Imu and Teach need to be represented by planet-like objects like the others when their concept lies beyond that?
Teach is the failed star as opposed to Luffy the bright Sun: Blackbeard is represented by a black hole, which sucks everything, destroying anything in its way. Teach brings darkness and chaos, exactly like a black hole.
Imu refered to himself as Mu in chapter 1085 and, as explained by TCB, it typically means void. Basically, Imu represents the Void Century and the emptiness that exists between all these celestial bodies. Luffy will oppose Luffy by bringing sunlight in this infinite space.
Also, even though we don't know much about him yet, we already have a good reason to believe Garling is represented by the Moon solely due to his hairstyle (very important).
Here is the symbolic detail you missed about Imu being the Earth. During most of humanity's history, people believed that the Earth was the center of the world and every planet and stars (including the Sun) revolved around it. And back then, they only knew 5 Planets outside the Earth. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. It fits perfectly.
By the way, the Moon was also considered a planet at that time. And from their perspective, it must have been the most imposing celestial body aside from the Sun. Check out the timeline of discovery of the Solar System for more info.
I posted this in another thread but my theory is that BB's df is not the darkness fruit (renamed just like Luffy's Gomu/Nika fruit).
If Luffy has the Sun God/God of Freedom, then BB's is the Moon God/God of Greed. Amd at some point in tbe story, BB will "swallow" Luffy, similar to a solar eclipse.
Hear me out. I still believe that Imu still represents the moon and not Blackbeard. Blackbeard represents something else. First, with Imu's family name making them Imu Nerona. Similar to the Gorosei, Moon is in the name. The idea of the Sun and Light versus the Moon and Darkness is a balance that Luffy threatens with the world government. Also important to note that the Moon loosely controls the ocean tides, symbolizing Imu controling the world over his control of the Ocean with the Red Line.
But where does Blackbeard play into this? Throughout the story it's referenced that Roger is waiting for somebody, probably the antithesis of the World government. In this case, most likely Luffy representing the Sun and Imu representing the Moon in the fated match of the light versus the dark. But there's one thing that threatens all of that in terms of Space and Astronomy. One thing that engulfs any Sun and Moon, light and darkness, and generally just leaves a quake of destruction to everything in it's path. The black hole. While Luffy and Imu seem to be fated enemies, the "chosen" of the Will of D, Blackbeard isn't. Said by Whitebeard himself, he doesn't believe Teach is the man Roger was waiting for. That's because he isn't. Blackbeard, like in every other part of the story, represents destruction and represents the end of both the Light and Darkness, just pure chaos.
I honestly think Blackbeard cannot be the moon. I think he's also a sun to represent freedom. He's just not a young, light bringing sun. He's a dead star, a Black Hole.
As for the moon... doesn't Saint Garling look like a moon? I think he's the moon to Imu's Earth, circling around like a guardian.
I think it would make more sense if Blackbeard represents dark matter. The all-encompassing darkness, the void of space.
Without darkness, there is no light that can shine.
So if Blackbeard is the darkness, Imu Nerona ( iMU NErona) would be the moon, and for the Earth itself, I think the best candidate would be Vivi.
The Nefertari family has to play a big role for the end of One Piece because we know that Lili was a key player in the void century.