What if Zorro fights the leader of God Knights (the father or grandfather of Shanks) , the only way to surpass Mihawk is to overpower the Other version of Shanks
"Compared to his, your sword is just a piece of crap" - Sanji "There's a man in this world who kicks with more power than you'd ever be able to" - Zoro
This whole video is steeped in western powerscaling discussion logic, rather than hints we see in the actual story. Narratively, there's no guarantee that Mihawk is stronger than Figarland Garling.
I feel like the Blackbeard Pirates will be the real final villains. But they won’t be fighting the SH at their best because if they are really cunning, they will ambush them after the SH fight Imu and his buddies. This will also offset the difference in power the SH have over the blackbeard
@@debater452 one shot how? Shiryu wasn’t KO’d or incapacitated by the hit. He literally laughs at Garp after Garp lands the hit. Pizarro got hit by an ACoC punch head on, and it didn’t even do enough damage to stun him. He straight up attacks the ship immediately
I think this is a case of overthinking. Oda made one Gorosei a swordsman specifically for Zoro, and the fact it's difficult to predict how it will play out is deliberate because Oda is hiding an X-Factor that will make everything fall into place.
Also the fact that they haven't seen each other adds to the suspense for when it does happen, them seeing each other right now maybe considered too early
The same thing happened during the raid. Sanji and King had a little scuffle once and people automativally thought he was gonna be Sanjis opponent even though since chapter 1 Zoro fought the 1st mate of every crew.
Haven't watch the whole vid yet but i'm gonna assume zoro will fight mihawk prior the final war arc and become the "world's" greatest swordsman. from that point, i think Oda and the lore of OP makes it clear that the celestial dragons see themselves as a higher entity and aren't involved or included in the OP "world." So imo, I feel like that's the narrative moving forward for Zoro's final fight in which he's fighting a "celestial" version of the greatest swordsman (celestial in the context of "out of this world" or "heaven")
Yeah this may be a Jack the drought situation. We might learn that the Gorosei are actually weak compared to the God's Knights for whatever reason. And as you pointed out, I doubt that Mihawk went around challenging Celestial Dragons. His title is only as the strongest swordsman in the lower realms.
zoro should fight Venus (nasujuro) - kitetsu, potential ryuma lore, ice vs. hellfire , etc. he already fought a mythical zoan flying opponent (King) sanji should fight Mars - can fly for sky battle, mythical bird like Judge (Garuda)
The warlords were literally meeting in the holy land and even regular marines know them. It would be strange if Mihawk went to their and yet has never seen Garling, the other holy knights or the Gorosei?
@@shiki9856 maybe he knows the gorosei, but why would he know the holy knights. Especially since Garling played a role at God Valley, which the WG wants forgotten. The WG doesn't gain anything from telling the warlords about the Holy knights. In fact, it would be a huge risk to tell them, especially to people like Boa, Jinbe, Kuma, Doffy etc...
@@shiki9856 WSS title was most likely given by Morgans to sell newspapers. It only holds value because of how it's perceived. The same way Buggy is called an Emperor in name.
@@user-br3fk8dx8o i aint saying he is a fraud. All I’m saying is he might not necessarily be the strongest. Luffy was called a 5th yonko before reaching yonko level, WB was called the world strongest man even at his age with chars like shanks and mihawk around. It’s just people need to understand titles mean nothing without shown feats.
That's the only thing that threw me off in the video. I'm fine with Zoro getting a stronger opponent than Sanji, but for Sanji's biggest and most testing battle to be someone that Zoro by that point would probably be mid diff or low diff? I really doubt
It's probably gonna happen, when strawhats fight blackbeard pirates and sanji doesn't fight aokiji or shiryu he will fight a weaker opponent than king (zoro's previous opponent)
I feel like Oda could also write Venus (Nusjuro. . .) as the one to defeat Mihawk if there's a huge encounter on Laugh Tale. Seems like the story is written into a corner, but the out that Morj had earlier was Venus is stronger than Mihawk but not as a swordsman. I personally don't mind if the villains have a power boost near the end so they'll feel more threatening without having the Mihawk ranking ruined. Think Saturn using something to do a power boost, or potentially a Blackbeard and Imu alliance and BB using something to power up everyone else in the alliance. Also wouldn't put it past Oda to do a Imu and Blackbeard fusion. Main issue I have with the Blackbeard pirates is how weak they are compared to Rock's crew. We went from a crew of like six conqueror's to a crew without any (beyond Aokiji), feel like BB teaming up with the Gorosei works but I really don't want it to be done poorly. BB would become "king of the world" if they fused too but I don't know if Oda would do something that crazy, even if the more I think of it the more BB's powers seem to be intentionally structured in that direction.
I don't see why Mihawk has to be fought before the final war. It'd be cool to see Zoro meeting Mihawk on an abandoned island to finally settle it and achieve his dream. I don't see every straw hat fulfilling their dreams together. In fact, I think most of their dreams are only achievable by taking down the WG and destroying the Redline/Reverse Mountain. That being said, it makes sense for Zoro to fight the strongest planet, going by the solar system model in strength.
@@audaciousjones I disagree Mihawk was in east blue not only to zoro but to readers/watchers a taste of what the one piece world is actually like. To such a point it shaped Zoro, before Mihawk Zoro was fun and wasn't taking everything serious his fight with Mihawk caused him to look the world in the face and is also why he became more stoic he also made it clear to luffy that they aren't playing pirate he did that because he knew what the world actually had and luffy was still not taking things seriously. It's subtle but Mihawk was the defining moment for Zoro as a character along with him willingly giving up his dream to save luffy when "nothing happened" One piece has always had really subtle changes in characters from specific moments that go on to impact how they act and are in the rest of the story, look at usopp who is a brave cowards but he is that way because he idolizes to be like the giants. It's extremely prevalent in the East blue crew members
I don't mind it being after the series since I don't particularly care for it. But it's most likely going to be before the final war for 4 reasons. 1. This is Luffy's story so his dream is probably the biggest and hardest to achieve. So it's most likely going to be the last 1 achieved. 2. The strawhats will help luffy achieve his dream like they'll help him become PK. Luffy will play a hand in helping them achieve their dreams and in return, they'll all help him achieve his. 3. Luffy said anything less than WSS will make him look bad. So he will have the title by the time Luffy becomes PK. They could make a situation of Zoro saying the WSS being subordinate to anyone other than the PK will make him look bad 4. Zoro said he wanted to be so good that even heaven will hear of his great name. So he'll probably achieve his dream than walk in marejois and be acknowledged by heaven as the WSS, similar to how everyone had heard of him as the pirate hunter in the east blue
@@john-olivierlukama1548 If you look at certain straw hats' dreams, ones like Jinbei's, Nami's, Sanji's and Brook's are impossible without Luffy first achieving his destiny. Although, that being said, Luffy did hint to him having "an actual dream", not just becoming king of the pirates, so who knows?
Way i look at it is luffy dream is going to be the last one to come true. Meaning after imu is defeated he gets his dream. Zoro final opponent is either gorosei or mihawk at the final war. However it does make more sense for everyone dream to come true at laughtale before luffy’s dream. one thing oda could do is mihawk is the strongest on earth or down below. The strongest swordman could easily be on mary geoise which doesnt apply mihawk
I think that Chopper wants to create a cure to all diseases (how 0_o) so that might be as difficult as Namis goal if not more. On another note is that I havent heard this from anyone yet but the potential flooding of the world might create the All-Blue for Sanji to discover.
@@julio7580 He didn't learn Soru he used Gear 2 to be fast enough to do a similar move. Yeah, it took Sanji two years to get that and it was because he kept running non stop
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Hm... Have you thought about why they do have it and neither Big Mom or Kaido do? It's narratively interesting. What makes Sanji getting Rankyaku narratively interesting? Cause as I said he didn't learn it like Zoro did, it makes no sense for him to develop it in Wano
i’m surprised you haven’t spoke about latest color spread with Zoro and Sanji’s potential matchup foreshadowing. Chessboard, Zoro and Sanji as fully equipped knights. Zoro with a bird on his shield and Sanji with a horse on his.
Flaw with morj theory is this, throughout the story all zoro major opponents have been swordman. To have his final fight be a non swordman would make no sense for the consistency of the story. Also its not about making the fans happy, its about what make sense for the story. Also sanji had a brief fight with king but that wasnt his final opponent in wano. Best case scenario is mihawk is the strongest below and the real strongest is in heaven
For some reason I feel like Zoro and Sanji won’t fight the Gorosei nor will the Gorosei be the strongest subordinates of Imu. While I believe that overall the Gorosei to be stronger than the God Knights including Garling I have a theory that the strongest 2 God Knights to be stronger than even Roger, Xebex, WB and Ryuma and right below Imu. I think the strongest God Knigt to be Mihawk, who will be revealed to be a Nerona like Imu but left to find a strong swordsman, circumstances will force him to go back to his family and reinstated as Garling’s successor who will die right before the final war. The other God Knight is Sora the sea warrior who also is a Nerona and will be Sanji’s final opponent
@6:14 I'm not saying I disagree with the entire point of the video but speaking for myself as a Zoro fan that's exactly what I'd like to see. I would love for after Zoro gets over the final hurdle EVERYONE except Luffy and a few others to be below Zoro. To me it would be underwhelming if immediately after he got the title he went on to struggle against his next opponent. He should be able to bask in the honor and prestige of being the WSS. I want him to be OP. If you don't think that's good storytelling or lame then he could easily fight multiple people at time or run a gauntlet kind of like Kaido. I'm not sure how the final battle is going to take place but if it really is a war then the chances of Zoro just fighting one opponent to begin with is already low. So just make him so strong he fights everyone at once lol. This isn't how it has to be but again as a Zoro fan I wouldn't mind it.
Also, V Nasjuro having a sword doesn’t make him really a swordsman. He’s a demon horse man with a sword. I believe the difference is how you decide to edge out a victory. If V Nasjuro uses his other powers to win a fight aside from swordsmanship and skill with a sword, then he’s out of the swordsman category
I don't think Oda would introduce Mihawk so early in the series to make him the penultimate fight. He's literally Zoro's reason to live. I think the final battles will be: Luffy vs Blackbeard Zoro vs Mihawk(I think Blackbeard pirates and cross guild will combine forces) Sanji vs Kuzan(Fire vs Ice) While the rest of the strawhats will take on the Blackbeard fodder as none of them are that strong
Many people don't consider that the "final fight" and the "fight with the highest stakes" aren't always the same thing. Epilogue fights are a thing. The Zoro fight with the highest stakes might be either Shiryu, Figarland Garling, Venus or Mars. But after the Blackbeard pirates and the World Government have fallen Zoro vs Mihawk could well be the epilogue fight. For Luffy, the fight with Blackbeard or Imu will likely be the fight with the highest stakes but his final fight could be in the epilogue against Coby. Using an already existing example in Naruto Shippuden; Naruto's highest stakes fight was against Kaguya but his actual final fight was against Sasuke.
Indeed, I don't see Shiryu on Zoro's level at this point. We could in fact get strawhats and red hair as a team, especially if Blackbeard can get an ancient weapon.
@@sunflowersofinferno7904 I mean they basically did that back in East Blue, Mihawk had some time to kill so he humored Zoro, he then saw how dedicated Zoro was and respected him for it, Mihawk and Zoro have no real bad blood, Mihawk is kinda Zoro's mentor it would be a fight of respect and would be fun for both of them. Mihawk is bored af all the time, and only really has fun when facing someone who is equally unique
Multible SH members have yet to achieve their dreams. Some of them are at this point still very far out of reach (Chopper finding cures to all diseases 0_o) ), so that it would most likely not be possible to reach them between Egghead and the final war. Zoro vs Mihawk being an epiloge fight (the epiloge will absolutely be longer than a chapter) is a reasonable prediction.
The Mihawk dilemma is easily solved by the Gorosei being relatively unknown in terms of power or by them being demons of Imu. I don't personally think that Oda will switch it for the final fight as it is meant to be a sort of culmination of everything that has come before.
Isn't one of the reasons fans give for why there isn't a stronger swordsman than Miwak that it'll be disappointing if Zoro was in ignorance thinking he's the Strongest Swordsman by defeating Mihawk when there exists a stronger swordsman. Personally, Venus being a stronger swordsman than Mihawk but Zoro just won't fight him so he still became the strongest swordsman by defeating Mihawk will be disappointing if it happens. Zoro also seems to not care if the opponent themselves don't call themselves swordsmen, if the opponent has a blade that's all that seems to matter.
Not exactly the title of strongest swordsman is given to a swordsman someone who's devoted their life to mastering the sword and has taken the title, Mihawk is titled strongest swordsman because that's what he is, zoro doesn't care what someone calls themselves because it's irrelevant and would feel weird if zoro only fought to go "you a swordsman?" his duty is to protect his captain and see that his dream comes to true Zoro still cares about his but his priority is luffy he's been shown willing to give up his dream if it means his captain can reach his. But he also desires to be the greatest swordsman not only for his childhood promise but for his captain because the pirate king should have no less on his crew. To get the title of strongest swordsman you'd have to kill whoever holds the title it's irrelevant if they actually are or not it's about the title and passing it down through winning it someone who is a swordsman but doesn't pursue the title isn't in the same realm as Mihawk and Zoro titles have been shown to hold little meaning and are more a status symbol in the world of one piece they don't need to be true roger may have been king of the pirates but he didn't get to rule over them he just made it to the end of the grandline the celestial dragons assume themselves to be gods but it's not true
@@MyNamesHunter75Lol, being the PK doesn't mean you rule over pirates, it just means you achieved what no other pirate was able to (i.e. find the one piece).
@@MyNamesHunter75Zoro said that he’ll be the strongest swordsman in history no way he’s going to have a fraudulent title by the end of the story. Mihawk was called the strongest swordsman in name and reality, so it isn’t just a status symbol
Idk King had a blade Zoro said himself that he assumed he was a swordsman but he wasn't so it does matter Makes little sense if dude has a sword that's like 1/5 of his combat style 😂
Luffy will fight the World Goverment as the Pirate King and Zoro as the World's Greatest Swordsman. Luffy vs Blackbeard and Zoro vs Mihawk will be prior at Laugtale. There, Luffy will surpass Roger and Zoro will surpass Mihawk. Next, is something far bigger than finding the One Piece. Freeing the world. In the final war, Luffy will defeat Imu and surpass Joyboy (history's greatest liberator) and Zoro will defeat V. Nusjuro and surpass Ryuma (history's greatest swordsman). I suspect it will also be revealed that Ryuma fought the World Goverment and died to Venus. To me it's clear as day. What I can't fit is Akainu, Shiryu and the Admirals. The marines' fights are solvable if in order to reach Marijoa they need to conquer Marine"s HQ and they rest/regroup there to attack Marijoa in a few days. But when is Zoro fighting Shiryu? Maybe he mid diffs him in Laugh Tale before fighting Mihawk. lol If we go by his invisibility fruit, his fight is going to be more gimmicky than pure skills.
have a big theory Joyboy was never a devil fruit eater ,after joyboy death joyboy's will reincarnated in Nica fruite ,and then he see luffy's potential and give tha Nica fruite to Luffy to achieve joyboy's dream/wish
Venus is definitely Zoro's final match. My theory is Venus is the actual strongest swordsman. It would be true to the theme of "Frog in a Well" If Mihawk is also a victim of this mentality. For years he is think he's the strongest one not knowing a bigger Fish is just hiding for political reasons. Mihawk finna get clapped by Venus while the latter talking shit to Mihawk how foolish he was to the think he's the bigger frog😊
Yeah I'm sure Mihawk has no knowledge about the WG 😂 Man I'm glad Oda writes the story because at this point the fandom is brain dead and doesn't care about anything but their own agendas
I doubt the Gorosei are actually the final opponents like everyone seems to assume. When has Oda ever shown us so much of a villain group, when they're meant to be defeated 2, 3, maybe even 4 arcs down the line? Imagine if we had already seen all the top Beast Pirates and their powers at the end of Dress Rosa. How on earth would you be able to set up any sort of dramatic arc for Wano in that case? For this specific incarnation of the Gorosei at least, I'm willing to bet they're either all defeated this arc or won't play a major role in the final battle.
I'm not sure why we're still stuck on the idea that Mihawk is the strongest combatant with a sword. Kaido was supposed to be the strongest creature, well he's done with and now we're seeing Warcury pull off crazier stuff than Kaido ever could. Who's to say Nusjuro isn't a tougher fight than Mihawk? The Elders have there own unique powerset, and clearly aren't considered when they come up with these titles.
@@Sociallybeast01 Its very telling that you have to remove all the context from that statement to make it sound impressive. A more accurate and descriptive way to put it would be: "Kaido was literally defeated by a rubber-hose cartoon character."
@@aceclover758 He not only tanked an attack that flattenrd Kaido, but he's also shown the strongest Conqueror's Haki feat in the series. Remembering stuff is hard though, buddy. Don't beat yourself up too bad over it. I wanted to like Kaido too.
The upcoming Zoro Novel will hopefully add a few more hints on Zoro Final opponents, Mihawk being a holy Knight in the final War could be another twist.
Zoro novel won't add shit, the novels are not canon. The manga is the only reliable source of information, those novels are garbage fanfictions written by random people and Oda just gives them the OK as long as they don't write something too wild
@@MarcoDToonOda said he will heavily influence whatever goes in that novel, so it is cannon. And it’s just detailing Zoros adventures before meeting luffy
I think Buggy & Shanks’ crew sacrifice themselves to help the Strawhats defeat Blackbeard. And then they get a power up to face Imu/Gorosei at the end.
One reason why I believe this is that it makes sense based on who Sanji and Zoro fight the most.. each other. All those fights on the ship were perfect training
The planet alignment theory still works because if we assume Imu (the #1) is Luffy's final opponent, then it would make Warcury the #2 (for Zoro) and V. Nusjuro the #3 (for Sanji)
I like Mihawk and I think that he might not be the world's greatest swordsman. This doesn't take away from Mihawk. The revelation that Kiado wasn't the world's strongest creature didn't take away from Kiado, his story, or his fight with Luffy. So why would Venus being a better swordsman take away from Zoro's fight with Mihawk? It would add to it. Zoro fights and beats Mihawk only to find out there is one person Mihawk was never able to challenge for the title. Venus.
Bruh idk if a character like Mihawk would go around thinking he is that for no real reason and telling Zoro that he will hold the seat as he tries to surpass him no matter how many years it takes etc. Like Mihawks interaction with Zoro handing Zoro his worst L him having the strongest black blade etc too many things point to Mihawk being him that it makes no sense to just go left 1000 chapters later
i do think that zoro is going to fight warcury instead because he seem to be presented as being tough and well zoro wanted to be able to cut everything tough.
interesting idea but Zoro will fight Nusjuro for sure and Sanji will fight Mars. There is an easy fix for this. It's not like Mihawk was able to fight Nusjuro or even Garling most probably. Mihawk is the World's Greatest Swordsman. Nusjuro is the Greatest Swordsman in History...that's one step above Mihawk and doesn't negate what Mihawk is. Mihawk is the greatest active known swordsman. Nusjuro is the greatest in history...or maybe you can argue it is Ryuuma. But then Nusjuro is hidden and not really known by mass public the entire time, so even if he is the 2nd next to Ryuuma, if Zoro beats Mihawk and Nusjuro, it makes Zoro on par with Ryuuma really close to him.
Perhaps the thing that allows Zoro to fight Nusjuro while being the strongest swordsman could be that Nusjuro isn't acounted in universe for being the strongest swordsman, since he spends his time in heaven and hasn't probably fought someone for centries. Thus he can't be in consideration as only 5 people actually know his true strength. Zoro could be the strongest swordsman on land while Nusjuro is the strongest in heaven
Another option: not all toe gorosay make it to the end game. Zoro could defeat v. Nusjoro earlier in the story, and there are only 4 gorosay left by the time there is a grand showdown between luffy and imu
I wouldn't say Pika was a greater challenge. Like sure maybe Pika is stronger than all of his previous enemies. But Pika wasn't a challenge for Zoro the same way mr 1 or kaku were.
I appreciate this theory but I honestly doubt it. The problem is that Nusjuro's not just a good fight for Zoro because he's a swordsman. He also has the last Kitetsu blade, and he's almost 100% from Wano, where Zoro's heritage is from. For those reasons, to me it seems like Zoro vs Nusjuro is set in stone. I also think you might be jumping to conclusions a bit too much here. Even if we assume that the Gorosei and Imu will 100% be the final villains (which isn't guaranteed because of Blackbeard), there's plenty of ways you could write Venus to be a harder fight for Zoro than Mihawk without making him stronger necessarily. You see, something the Gorosei seem to have that Mihawk certainly doesn't is pseudo immunity. We're not entirely sure why right now, but it seems like they can't really be hurt. This ability alone could make the fight incredibly difficult for Zoro without actually making Venus stronger than Mihawk, because Zoro could slice him up, clearly showing he's the superior swordsman, but because of Venus's hax abilities, he can't be finished off without Luffy defeating Imu or something. Maybe the condition for the final conflict against the Gorosei will be that none of them can be defeated until Luffy defeats Imu. In that case, the fight would be harder not because Venus is actually stronger than Mihawk, but because of Imu's abilities.
Or we could just have the final fights be against the Blackbeard pirates and the cross guild for the world, after the government has already been toppled. Also I know everyone shuts on Dragon but the revolutionary’s not being a part of the world government matchups makes no sense to me
Yall are misunderstanding that the celestial dragons live in a different world than the rest of the world. So Mihawk is the strongest swordsmen in the “normal world” while there could be stronger celestial swordsmen in the holy land but they don’t really care to fight for titles such as worlds strongest swordsman because they already think their better than everyone else in the first place. So may just compete amongst themselves and have their own worlds strongest swordsmen
Zoro fights Mihawk and Shanks fights Luffy either prior or after the Final War. Luffy fights Blackbeard and become Pirate King before fighting Imu as King of the World. The Imu fight will be Joy Boy's getback and well as the final fight of Nika the Sun God and first of the Pirate King Luffy. I think Sanji clashing with V.Nusjuro and Zoro clashing with Mars is limited to Egghead arc. Zoro HAS to fight a swordsman with the Shodai Kitsesu.
Well there was the speculation that Gorosei are Endgame villains which got additonal support with Garling and Holy Knights Introduction. Meaning that since the existance and powers of these guys is unknown, the Worlds Strongest Swordman title was outside of their field. But since Egghead this might not be the case. Originally Nosjuro was estimated to be a final Kitetsu blade user fitting opponent for Zoro after he has taken the WSS title. But with how the story goes Mihawk might still be be Endgame material ( Imu and HK connection) .So who can fill the space between Admirals and Hawkeye. A Giant Competent Swordman.Legendary norse blade ispiration , Haki and All .
Takenote there's no honourable in war. Both zoro and mihawk is both honourable fighter/swordsman. Their fight will happen as 1v1 duel focused fight for the title of WORLDS STRONGEST SWORDSMAN. In that way oda can achieved his dream...didn't oda made a statement about his swordsman dream fight of a rough samurai and noble swordsman ... Indicating zoro vs mihawk is end game fight for zoro or even end game fight in the story!
The mihawk point does not make sense. If Zoro beats Mihawk. Then Zoro is stronger than Mihawk period. Then if Mars is stronger than Mihawk and Zoro beats Mars then Zoro is stronger than Mars. Sanji is of comparable strength to Zoro because of how Oda portrays them. So if when Zoro defeats Mihawk, Sanji is might not defeat Mihawk but is of comparable strength to him. After which when Zoro beats Mars and Sanji beats Venus, by becoming stronger, then that would imply Venus is stronger than Mihawk. That would make Venus a stronger swordsman than Mihawk. So the entire Mihawk point of view fails. But the other point where Mars is War and Venus is love makes more sense.
How is it even a question what the power hierarchy of the Gorosei is? Every SINGLE time we ever see them in the entire manga, they are presented in this order: 1. Ju Peter 2. V. Nusjuro 3. Warcury 4. Mars 5. Saturn THAT is the order that Oda shows them in EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. WITHOUT FAIL. All the way back to Jaya, they are ALWAYS in that order. That’s the order.
All of Zoro's opponents since entering the New World are flyer's (or so big Zoro needs to fly to himself). Punk Hazard's Dragon, Monet, Pica, Kaido, Big Mom, King, Kaku & Lucci (through moonwalk), and the Seraphim (with their DOM shoes). So Zoro's final opponent will most likely be Gorosei Mars, because his a demonic bird. Ironically compared to Sanji & Luffy (in Gears 4 & 5), Zoro is the only member of the Monster Trio who can't fly.
The mihawk dilemma doesnt even exist Imo The fact that Mihawk is the WSS doesnt mean that he is stronger than anyone wielding a sword, it just means that he is the best at swordmanship. Kaido clearly said during his fight with Luffy that the mastery of Haki was the best way to become stronger And Mihawk isnt strong enough to give Zoro an endgame fight. It is clearly shown that Mihawk is YC1/Admiral level at most He attacked Whitebeard at marineford but Jozu stopped the attack, Also Vista can oficially compete with Mihawk (it is said in his Vivrecard) I just Think that Zoro and Mihawk wont even fight at all, Mihawk was Zoro's mentor, just like Rayleigh with Luffy and Ivankov for Sanji Do you see Rayleigh fighting luffy or Ivankov fighting Sanji ? Great video tho
Haven't watched the video yet, but the problem is with the progress Luffy has.. Luffy's main goal shifts a little..From PK, to fulfilling Joyboy's will....and at the end of that, we find his true dream..whatever we didn't get to hear. Zoro doesn't really want to become the worlds strongest swordsman..He wants his name to reach the heavens..He wants to be the best ever.. How would defeating Mars push Zoro's dream beyond what defeating Mihawk gives him?.. Defeating Mihawk gives him the title of WSS, but defeating someone let's say beyond Mihawk should push Zoro above his title of WSS...How do we know Zoro surpassed Ryuma for example?.. From the translation i've read, it looks like Ryuma didn't live 400 years ago..The translation i've seen said that he leaved at least 400 years ago..So the time can be quite different.. What if he was part of Joyboy's crew?
There’s some cool ideas about this theory. Like the idea that Venus is the God of Love and Mars is the God of War. As well as the idea that the power would be who’s closest to Earth. Still issues though. Such as, why is Warcury always displayed as the top man? Why is his name Topman? Why about Mercury, the Messenger God? Jupiter, the God of Thunder? Saturn, the God of Time? Also, they also have their own God titles in the series. Perhaps there is something to it, but there also are flaws, other things to think about. Perhaps, Zoro and Sanji will team up to fight Venus and Mars. A bit of a crazy though, but hmmm
Lets stop playing games. Dracule Mihawk with his Devilish Vampire form will be and is the Final opponent for Zoro. Dragon And the Revolutionary Army have always been positioned as Taking down the Celestial Dragons including Imu and the Gods knights not even mentioning the Gorosei Because they are getting packed up by The Blackbeard pirate's Shiryu is an opp from jump and is likely to be playing the long game with Blackbeard alongside Kuzan. Sanji's Final opponent will be Ivankov or some out of left field new character that pops up in the final arc of the Story
Zoro defeats Mihawk making him the strongest swordsman in the world, However we don't fully understand the Gorosei and their powers just yet, so going on the massive assumption that after Zoro defeats Mihawk, he'll be too strong for any other opponents is beyond nonsensical if this applies to the Gorosei. Oda could easily write the Gorose to be an ancient race of powerful Archdemons created by Imu that transcend the abilities of man, devil fruits and Haki, making Zoro's final fight have real weight behind it. He'll have to remember all the skills he's learned during his adventures in order to defeat this final opponent. Zoro would have achieved his goal to Kuina, but he develops a new goal...help his captain save the world from being destroyed. The real problem is that we don't know how many more islands and opponents Zoro will face before the Final War begins. Once Egghead and Elbaf conclude, are we going straight to Lodestar and Laugh Tale for the decisive battle to determine who will be the new King of the Pirates and claim the One Piece? Zoro vs. Shiryu?! Or will the Strawhats take a detour and travel out into Space? Enel's return?! During the Final War, will he defeat Fujitora or another admiral? If Luffy is fighting Imu, who will defeat the Gorosei member besides Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei? There are still two Gorosei members remaining, will they engage the Strawhat Grand Fleet and get taken out by them with the support of Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, Robin, and Brook? We haven't even begun to talk about the Seraphim and the mysteriously introduced God's Knights. My initial thoughts were that the Seraphim will evolve into adulthood making them way more powerful then they are now Zoro will more than likely have to defeat some powerful God's Knight General. There a lot of different variables to consider from character to all the different factions colliding and Oda will probably move/change different elements of the story around to throw us off and surprise fans in order to make the story less predictable. BTW, I'm still not convinced Kaido and Big Mom are dead. Having them appear during the Final War would be amazingly problematic, especially if they bring their crews. I imagine Kaido will be actively seeking out Luffy for a rematch. Charlotte Katakuri and King the Conflagration team-up?
If I had to place a random bet. Leaving Luffy vs Imu. Sanji vs Sakazuki, Sanji kicks a hole through Sakazuki saying he's hotter than magma. Zoro vs Blackbeard, Blackbeard shows he's picked up a 3rd devil fruit power in addition to his darkness fruit proving to still neutralize gear 5. As much as he might want to settle those fights himself, he's always takes on the responsibility of the biggest threat. I think they'll all make it to the final battle, and Luffy will trust those fights to them so he can take out Imu. I wouldn't bet more than a $1.00 on it, but it sounds fun.
Imo the final battle is Straw Hats vs Red Hair Pirates+Mihawk for the One Piece. Author stated twice the series ends after the One Piece is found, in the SBS version of the statement if you read Arthur’a translation his reasoning is that the One Piece is the whole purpose for the series’ existence therefore there’s no reason for it to continue afterwards. The WG are ultimately a side quest (an important one but still a side quest) to pirates competing for the One Piece. Shanks is Luffy’s ultimate rival established in chapter 1 not Blackbeard. Shanks is the modern day Roger, Blackbeard is a Whitebeard Rocks hybrid. Goro Tanaguchi who knows the ending of the series stated Shanks is as important to One Piece as Luffy and Oda very early on said frequent appearances from Shanks means we’re in the final saga. A profound quote no one ever talks about from Luffy is I’m gonna be stronger than ANYONE I promised SHANKS I’m gonna be a great pirate. It’s very clear that Luffy sees Shanks as his final opponent after he has overcome everything else including the WG much the same as Zoro is chasing Mihawk. The arguments against Shanks potentially being his final opponent aren’t based on anything but a false perceived notion of the narrative The other problem I have with this specific theory is we already saw there’s 9 God Knights and Garling the leader is a swordsman. So I don’t think Straw Hats vs Gorosei will ever be a thing. On the flip side notice that Shanks’ right hand isn’t a swordsman which by my logic would be because Zoro won’t fight Benn but instead faces Mihawk while Sanji gets to fight Benn
Sorry Mihawk fans but first of all, there’s no fucking way he’s ever personally fought Nusjuro- the true forms of the Gorosei are secret to the entire world. OBVIOUSLY, he is not considered as part of Mihawk’s title, and is probably stronger than Mihawk. More than that though, there’s a 0% chance that Mihawk is Zoro’s last fight in the series, because the stakes wouldn’t make any sense. Their rivalry is purely formal, the only reason that they have to fight each other is over that title. It would be narratively stupid and contrived if Mihawk were the final fight for Zoro. The only way to keep everything making sense is if Shiryu defeats Mihawk when the Red Hair Pirates, Cross Guild and BB Pirates fight over the One Piece, a party that the Strawhats will be late to because they’ll be taking down the Gorosei before then. When they arrive at Laughtale, Zoro will kill Shiryu, taking from him the title of the world’s greatest swordsman, as well as avenging the man who trained him. And honestly just think abour how satisfying THAT will be. If Zoro’s final opponent is the man who stole from him the chance to properly challenge Mihawk?? The stakes don’t GET more personal than that. There are two separate people, two members of the D Clan who perfectly fit the prophecy of being the one to change the fate of the world. Luffy and Teach. Defeating the world government isn’t the end of the story, because the world will be left with a major power vacuum. Oda has shown us that the current status quo of the world MUST be destroyed. But what happens to the world after that? Does it become Luffy’s world, where everyone is free? Or Teach’s world, ruled by the BB Pirates? That will be the stakes of the final fight. Additionally to that, we know that the straw hat always gets passed down to the next generation to carry on the will from Roger, to Shanks, to Luffy, and so the story will probably end with Luffy passing it off to someone new. But there’s one problem with this: he made a promise to return it to Shanks. The only way that this can be resolved is if Shanks dies before Luffy can meet him again, almost certainly at the hands of Blackbeard, while fighting over the One Piece. After all, that’s just what happens when the Mentor fights the Main Villain. The Mentor dies. Always.
Venusjuro could still be stronger than Mihawk via his Devil Fruit like you say, but I also wonder if Oda is willing to open that can of worms. Readers could very easily say "He's pressuring Zoro with his Devil Fruit? He's a stronger sword wielder than Mihawk?! Mihawk is a fraud!" To be fair though, I'm getting the sense that Venusjuro's centaur form only serves to augment his sword skill.
I think Zoro's final opponent will be St. Garling. Shanks, a clear relative of St. Garling, was Mihawk's rival before he lost his arm. I think St. Garling is probably The Greatest Swordsman in the world, he is just a Celestial Dragon and doesn't have any reason to leave Mariejois to exercise his skill as a swordsman. He did scar prime Whitebeard who was arguably Pirate King level at the time. I feel like by the time Zoro reaches St. Garling, Zoro will already be considered The Greatest Swordsman so St. Garling will surprise Zoro with his strength. This entire arc has been basically showing us the power ceiling of The World Nobles. Our crew can't scratch the Gorosei currently and who is to even say that they are all of the strongest Celestial Dragons? Even what we've seen of St. Garling shows unreal power.
Hello Morj, I disagree. Love your theories, but I think this one misses the point that Oda is pretty consistent as a writer and I doubt would make a change this late in the game. I think this is a situation like in Wano where early on, Queen pulled out a sword, and King had a flaming Kick and we thought Oda might be switching things. Sanji even fought King while Queen was preventing Zoro from getting to the roof. I think this is as simple as they're not each other's final opponent, so Oda is not having them encounter each other yet. This is Oda's way of showing off the bad guys, but when the stage is set they'll fight their proper enemy. Zoro fighting another Demon of hell and Sanji fighting a fire breathing flyer makes for really cool fights. Also Venusjuro probably does have the Shodai Kitetsu, and Mars so far is being tied with York, so I can see him protecting her in the final War but then attacking her allowing Sanji to get his chivalry moment cause Oda LOVES the girl is bad but flips side for the power of love. (Viola, Pudding, Kyuin, Baby 5)
You could apply the same logic to the match ups with the Blackbeard Pirates. Everyone says "Zoro has to fight Shiryu because he's the swordsman"-but he's also the guy currently using the Devil Fruit Sanji dreamed of eating. And Shiryu may be a swordsman but that doesn't make him on the power level appropriate to Zoro's opponent either just before Mihawk, just after Mihawk, or between Mihawk and his Final War opponent. *Regardless* of the order of the fights.
Solid match-up that I feel like is a good chance due to King/Queen, but my theory is still that Mihawks goal was to defeat Shiryu. Although, he wasnt able to hunt him down because Shiryu got himself locked up. Jist of the theory is that Zoro goes on to finish Mihawks actual dream of defeating Shiryu in the final climax fight against Blackbeard (Mihawk -> Gorosei -> Shiryu). Im just convinced that BB takes one up on Imu somehow in the world power scale lol
This is just a feeling, but I think Shiryu will be Zoros final opponent. Shiryu can become invisible, will most likely fight very unfair and there's the possibility that he awakens his DF. (Invisible Swords Man with invisible sword(s) sounds scary af imo). That would make Shiryu the most difficult fight for Zoro, because he can't just power through his opponent like he used to do.
For once I feel you've been wrong from the beginning, because of who you think Mohawk would fight. Zoro will fight Mohawk AFTER the final battle, and it will be a one attack fight, like actual real samurais, why? Because we would have already seen Mohawk's full power shown in detail, how? Because Mohawk will have to fight the "better" version of himself, the adult version seraphim of himself, and this fight will be long, and will show Mohawk full set of fighting prowess, showing the seraphim one upping him every time. THIS would make story sense, because now Mohawk NEEDS to ,maintain his title, and this would actually show why he is the best, even over the better version. And once Mihawk fights Zoro, neither have to prove anything, they would both have shown why they are at the top, and they will put their entire strength in one single hit, like the old samurai movie duels, like true samurais, deciding who is the true best in a one blow takes all style.
I like how this community brain works for sometime for example an oldman with a sword and have op df user and have one of the most insane regeneration still is called the swordsman. On the other hand there's a character whi was dueling with WSS form long time and lost his arm now he have only one hand and he used sword with that and also didn't have any df and still isn't a swordsman 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OP youtubers/Community is full of hypocrites. Because Zoro fighting Swordsman or not that doesn't matter from the start because he never fought any character who is purely used sword and haki except Mihawk/Ryuma Obviously Zoro can fight stronger opponent than Mihawk but Not a single gorosei feel like they can compete against Mihawk/Ryuma. So until Oda shows something about Marsh that make him truly a character who is stronger than Mihawk/Ryuma the possibility of Mihawk being the final opponent doesn't change.
The "World's Strongest Swordsman" title is doing A SHIT TON OF WORK when we know titles like those hold little to no water in One Piece. I understand why the hypothetical scenario is appealing but the reasoning for it makes no sense. Why tf does Mihawk have to literally be the world's strongest swordsman when almost everyone can agree Mihawk cannot beat Venusjuro due to the insane regen Venus has. Mihawk being stronger than Shanks is highly debatable so "Mihawk is stronger than Venusjuro" being treated as a fact is absolutely dumb. That being said the video idea is interesting.
We have LONG since established that people who use swords can be more powerful than Mihawk in general so long as their real power comes from something other than their sword-- like stupid strong conqueror's haki (Shanks, Gol D. Roger, Whitebeard). You ignoring something that obvious is just born out of copium. Plus-- obviously people the world in general didn't even know about weren't in the competition when Mihawk was given the crown.
No shade, but not your strongest theory and, honestly, pretty long-winded for what it is. You're forgetting about S-Hawk. VP has stated that they'll be stronger than even the originals once they fully mature (could be wrong about exact phrasing there, tbh, but that's the strong implication). If someone else defeated S-Hawk (eg Shiryu) , then they too could claim to be WSS. Zoro's final opponent should be that person.
I do think Venusjuro and Saint Figarland are stronger swordsmen than Mihawk, not because of the semantics of "heaven" vs "the world," but rather because of two things: everyone calling Mihawk strongest in the world simply does not know about the fighters among the celestial dragons; and any strong celestial dragons have no reason to prove themselves against filthy "humans." There's also the possibility that Zoro's final opponent in S-Hawk, since we literally know that once the seraphim reach full maturity they will be much stronger than their shichibukai originals.
I still think that the celestial dragons will be defeated first and then we will get the chaos of the power vacumm created where the marines, blackbeard and cross guild will get involved. Fighting against the celestial dragrons is not something personal for the straw hats, is just them helping others. Akainu, blackbeard would be matchups very personal for Luffy and Sabo, and Mihawk for Zoro as always.
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What if Zorro fights the leader of God Knights (the father or grandfather of Shanks) , the only way to surpass Mihawk is to overpower the Other version of Shanks
Good theory is for who Zoro and Sanji will fight, but at the end of the day, nothing is set in stone.
What about us finally getting a tag team match with Zoro and Sanji against Mars and Venus?
Does it only work within USA?
Sanji hit the guy once and Morj tells tekking to hold his beer.
wait did tekking say some too?
Yeah, it's exactly like what people used to say about King and Queen 😂
LoL
Lol, it feels like Wano again with the whole Sanji vs. King thing.
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If this happens then Sanji fans will forever claim that Sanji beat the strongest Swordsman.
Ooh I really want this to happen now that sounds so funny
Then the rivalry between zoro and sanji will never end
but hes not lol dont even have a blackblade
What else is new? Just adding to the delusion.
I thought world strongest swordsman was Mihawk,my bad
"Compared to his, your sword is just a piece of crap" - Sanji
"There's a man in this world who kicks with more power than you'd ever be able to" - Zoro
How do you rule out a perfectly good explanation to this whole “dilemma” because “Mihawk fans wouldn’t be happy with either of those cases” Lmao
This whole video is steeped in western powerscaling discussion logic, rather than hints we see in the actual story. Narratively, there's no guarantee that Mihawk is stronger than Figarland Garling.
Western? Is there an eastern school of power scaling?
Yes there is@@Alquasar and it ain't any better.
@@suryanshbiswas how is it any different?
@@flabermaber2239 idk man japaneese fans just seem to take feats from the anime way too seriously which causes lots of weird scalings.
The raid will fail.
not funny didn’t laugh
You have to let go.
Dumbo
Your mother will love you.
Bro, please move on.
Man y’all are gonna be so mad when the final villains are the Blackbeard Pirates
I feel like the Blackbeard Pirates will be the real final villains. But they won’t be fighting the SH at their best because if they are really cunning, they will ambush them after the SH fight Imu and his buddies. This will also offset the difference in power the SH have over the blackbeard
Man yall are gonna be so mad when Gaimon one shots Blackbeard and Van Augur gets cooked by Don Sai and then Imu hits the griddy and dies
@@davidv1341 the Straw Hats don’t come across as that stronger to me
@@Synnamon27Shiruy the current 3rd strongest of the Blackbeard pirates was one shot by old Garp. This guy is not final Zoro opponent material
@@debater452 one shot how? Shiryu wasn’t KO’d or incapacitated by the hit. He literally laughs at Garp after Garp lands the hit. Pizarro got hit by an ACoC punch head on, and it didn’t even do enough damage to stun him. He straight up attacks the ship immediately
I think this is a case of overthinking. Oda made one Gorosei a swordsman specifically for Zoro, and the fact it's difficult to predict how it will play out is deliberate because Oda is hiding an X-Factor that will make everything fall into place.
Also the fact that they haven't seen each other adds to the suspense for when it does happen, them seeing each other right now maybe considered too early
The same thing happened during the raid. Sanji and King had a little scuffle once and people automativally thought he was gonna be Sanjis opponent even though since chapter 1 Zoro fought the 1st mate of every crew.
I mean.... Zoro has to figure out how to defeat someone who has been able to heal from any wound... That's already a big X-Factor
Haven't watch the whole vid yet but i'm gonna assume zoro will fight mihawk prior the final war arc and become the "world's" greatest swordsman. from that point, i think Oda and the lore of OP makes it clear that the celestial dragons see themselves as a higher entity and aren't involved or included in the OP "world." So imo, I feel like that's the narrative moving forward for Zoro's final fight in which he's fighting a "celestial" version of the greatest swordsman (celestial in the context of "out of this world" or "heaven")
Yeah this may be a Jack the drought situation. We might learn that the Gorosei are actually weak compared to the God's Knights for whatever reason. And as you pointed out, I doubt that Mihawk went around challenging Celestial Dragons. His title is only as the strongest swordsman in the lower realms.
Plus, there's the fact that the dude has an Awakened Mythical Zoan at minimum. Zoro is still gonna have a tough time.
Usopp and Nami vs Jupiter
Nah Ussop will already be dead
@@spunkymonkey5102 No, Jupiter will not survive against God D. Usopp
Hell nah
*Imu (Jupiter would be fodder for them)
@@spunkymonkey5102Cap! Ussop will be the 5th strongest member at the end
ah another sanji vs king and zoro vs queen🤣
this has nothing to do with your comment, but chopper > jinbei. if you don't agree, you're a fool
zoro should fight Venus (nasujuro) - kitetsu, potential ryuma lore, ice vs. hellfire , etc. he already fought a mythical zoan flying opponent (King)
sanji should fight Mars - can fly for sky battle, mythical bird like Judge (Garuda)
He acknowledged this in the video lol
Dude probably commented without even watching the video lmao
Well, at the very *end* of the vid morj says lmk who you think sanji and zoro will fight.. best voice and awesome c.creator vinlan d did just that.
@@jointjutsukonan3074 he’s a narc
People can meme on your theories but they're typically the most unique ones i find.
Why would the title "world's greatest swordsman" include either the gorosei or the holy knights?
They aren't known by the rest of the world
The warlords were literally meeting in the holy land and even regular marines know them. It would be strange if Mihawk went to their and yet has never seen Garling, the other holy knights or the Gorosei?
@@shiki9856 maybe he knows the gorosei, but why would he know the holy knights. Especially since Garling played a role at God Valley, which the WG wants forgotten. The WG doesn't gain anything from telling the warlords about the Holy knights. In fact, it would be a huge risk to tell them, especially to people like Boa, Jinbe, Kuma, Doffy etc...
@@shiki9856 WSS title was most likely given by Morgans to sell newspapers. It only holds value because of how it's perceived. The same way Buggy is called an Emperor in name.
@@hannibal5158 thank you sir, I can carry out my Mihawk is a fraud agenda, I appreciate ur service here
@@user-br3fk8dx8o i aint saying he is a fraud. All I’m saying is he might not necessarily be the strongest. Luffy was called a 5th yonko before reaching yonko level, WB was called the world strongest man even at his age with chars like shanks and mihawk around. It’s just people need to understand titles mean nothing without shown feats.
I don't think Oda would be so disrespectful to Sanji as to have his final opponent be weaker than Zoro's previous one.
Yes he would
@@TM-NTM no he wouldnt be zorotard
That's the only thing that threw me off in the video. I'm fine with Zoro getting a stronger opponent than Sanji, but for Sanji's biggest and most testing battle to be someone that Zoro by that point would probably be mid diff or low diff? I really doubt
It's probably gonna happen, when strawhats fight blackbeard pirates and sanji doesn't fight aokiji or shiryu he will fight a weaker opponent than king (zoro's previous opponent)
I feel like Oda could also write Venus (Nusjuro. . .) as the one to defeat Mihawk if there's a huge encounter on Laugh Tale. Seems like the story is written into a corner, but the out that Morj had earlier was Venus is stronger than Mihawk but not as a swordsman.
I personally don't mind if the villains have a power boost near the end so they'll feel more threatening without having the Mihawk ranking ruined. Think Saturn using something to do a power boost, or potentially a Blackbeard and Imu alliance and BB using something to power up everyone else in the alliance.
Also wouldn't put it past Oda to do a Imu and Blackbeard fusion.
Main issue I have with the Blackbeard pirates is how weak they are compared to Rock's crew. We went from a crew of like six conqueror's to a crew without any (beyond Aokiji), feel like BB teaming up with the Gorosei works but I really don't want it to be done poorly.
BB would become "king of the world" if they fused too but I don't know if Oda would do something that crazy, even if the more I think of it the more BB's powers seem to be intentionally structured in that direction.
Plot Twist : Buggy Sama and CrossGuild is Final Obstacle .
I don't see why Mihawk has to be fought before the final war. It'd be cool to see Zoro meeting Mihawk on an abandoned island to finally settle it and achieve his dream.
I don't see every straw hat fulfilling their dreams together. In fact, I think most of their dreams are only achievable by taking down the WG and destroying the Redline/Reverse Mountain.
That being said, it makes sense for Zoro to fight the strongest planet, going by the solar system model in strength.
cause it would be anticlimactic for the last fight of the series to be zoro vs mihawk
Morj made videos on that. That Zoro vs Mihawk being a post story thing is anti climactic.
@@audaciousjones I disagree Mihawk was in east blue not only to zoro but to readers/watchers a taste of what the one piece world is actually like. To such a point it shaped Zoro, before Mihawk Zoro was fun and wasn't taking everything serious his fight with Mihawk caused him to look the world in the face and is also why he became more stoic he also made it clear to luffy that they aren't playing pirate he did that because he knew what the world actually had and luffy was still not taking things seriously. It's subtle but Mihawk was the defining moment for Zoro as a character along with him willingly giving up his dream to save luffy when "nothing happened" One piece has always had really subtle changes in characters from specific moments that go on to impact how they act and are in the rest of the story, look at usopp who is a brave cowards but he is that way because he idolizes to be like the giants. It's extremely prevalent in the East blue crew members
I don't mind it being after the series since I don't particularly care for it. But it's most likely going to be before the final war for 4 reasons.
1. This is Luffy's story so his dream is probably the biggest and hardest to achieve. So it's most likely going to be the last 1 achieved.
2. The strawhats will help luffy achieve his dream like they'll help him become PK. Luffy will play a hand in helping them achieve their dreams and in return, they'll all help him achieve his.
3. Luffy said anything less than WSS will make him look bad. So he will have the title by the time Luffy becomes PK. They could make a situation of Zoro saying the WSS being subordinate to anyone other than the PK will make him look bad
4. Zoro said he wanted to be so good that even heaven will hear of his great name. So he'll probably achieve his dream than walk in marejois and be acknowledged by heaven as the WSS, similar to how everyone had heard of him as the pirate hunter in the east blue
@@john-olivierlukama1548 If you look at certain straw hats' dreams, ones like Jinbei's, Nami's, Sanji's and Brook's are impossible without Luffy first achieving his destiny.
Although, that being said, Luffy did hint to him having "an actual dream", not just becoming king of the pirates, so who knows?
Way i look at it is luffy dream is going to be the last one to come true. Meaning after imu is defeated he gets his dream. Zoro final opponent is either gorosei or mihawk at the final war. However it does make more sense for everyone dream to come true at laughtale before luffy’s dream. one thing oda could do is mihawk is the strongest on earth or down below. The strongest swordman could easily be on mary geoise which doesnt apply mihawk
Nami's will probably be the last. With world floods on the horizon Nami will need to draw a world map when it's all over. So much will have changed
I think that Chopper wants to create a cure to all diseases (how 0_o) so that might be as difficult as Namis goal if not more.
On another note is that I havent heard this from anyone yet but the potential flooding of the world might create the All-Blue for Sanji to discover.
Sanji should have learned Rankyaku when Zoro learned fire sword style to parallel.
Who would he learn it from? Zoro was with Kinemon for multiple days
@@winterbeast6326 Plot. Just like Law and Kidd got awakenings but the 2 emperors who ruled the sea before those kiddos were born didn't.
@winterbeast6326 luffy learned soru by watching cp9 and sanji already learned sky walk from newkamas
@@julio7580 He didn't learn Soru he used Gear 2 to be fast enough to do a similar move. Yeah, it took Sanji two years to get that and it was because he kept running non stop
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Hm... Have you thought about why they do have it and neither Big Mom or Kaido do? It's narratively interesting. What makes Sanji getting Rankyaku narratively interesting? Cause as I said he didn't learn it like Zoro did, it makes no sense for him to develop it in Wano
Lmfao morj just used Zoros name in the title as he knows he’ll get more views
It's the main idea of the video what are u talking about haha
@@electroflames Sanji is talked about as equally in the video
@Obs1986 he doesn't even mention Sanji for the first 10 mins of the video lol.
@@electroflames cope
@Obs1986 what's that even mean? Can you say it in a sentence? I just meant Sanji isn't the main topic, and the main topic is about Zoro and Swordsman.
He Gonna switch up again after 1117 😂
i’m surprised you haven’t spoke about latest color spread with Zoro and Sanji’s potential matchup foreshadowing.
Chessboard, Zoro and Sanji as fully equipped knights. Zoro with a bird on his shield and Sanji with a horse on his.
Flaw with morj theory is this, throughout the story all zoro major opponents have been swordman. To have his final fight be a non swordman would make no sense for the consistency of the story. Also its not about making the fans happy, its about what make sense for the story. Also sanji had a brief fight with king but that wasnt his final opponent in wano. Best case scenario is mihawk is the strongest below and the real strongest is in heaven
Especially since Nusjuro probably has the shodai kitetsu
Mr 1 technically isn't a Swordsman, Pika wasn't a Swordsman, and King wasn't strictly a Swordsman
Pica wasn't a swordsman
@@velvetsnopica wasnt a major fight though. Zoro first major fight in new world was king. All his other fights was one sided in his favor
@@ReiseLukas All still used swords or blades in someway
For some reason I feel like Zoro and Sanji won’t fight the Gorosei nor will the Gorosei be the strongest subordinates of Imu.
While I believe that overall the Gorosei to be stronger than the God Knights including Garling
I have a theory that the strongest 2 God Knights to be stronger than even Roger, Xebex, WB and Ryuma and right below Imu.
I think the strongest God Knigt to be Mihawk, who will be revealed to be a Nerona like Imu but left to find a strong swordsman, circumstances will force him to go back to his family and reinstated as Garling’s successor who will die right before the final war. The other God Knight is Sora the sea warrior who also is a Nerona and will be Sanji’s final opponent
@6:14 I'm not saying I disagree with the entire point of the video but speaking for myself as a Zoro fan that's exactly what I'd like to see. I would love for after Zoro gets over the final hurdle EVERYONE except Luffy and a few others to be below Zoro. To me it would be underwhelming if immediately after he got the title he went on to struggle against his next opponent. He should be able to bask in the honor and prestige of being the WSS. I want him to be OP. If you don't think that's good storytelling or lame then he could easily fight multiple people at time or run a gauntlet kind of like Kaido. I'm not sure how the final battle is going to take place but if it really is a war then the chances of Zoro just fighting one opponent to begin with is already low. So just make him so strong he fights everyone at once lol. This isn't how it has to be but again as a Zoro fan I wouldn't mind it.
Also, V Nasjuro having a sword doesn’t make him really a swordsman. He’s a demon horse man with a sword. I believe the difference is how you decide to edge out a victory. If V Nasjuro uses his other powers to win a fight aside from swordsmanship and skill with a sword, then he’s out of the swordsman category
I don't think Oda would introduce Mihawk so early in the series to make him the penultimate fight. He's literally Zoro's reason to live. I think the final battles will be:
Luffy vs Blackbeard
Zoro vs Mihawk(I think Blackbeard pirates and cross guild will combine forces)
Sanji vs Kuzan(Fire vs Ice)
While the rest of the strawhats will take on the Blackbeard fodder as none of them are that strong
Many people don't consider that the "final fight" and the "fight with the highest stakes" aren't always the same thing. Epilogue fights are a thing.
The Zoro fight with the highest stakes might be either Shiryu, Figarland Garling, Venus or Mars. But after the Blackbeard pirates and the World Government have fallen Zoro vs Mihawk could well be the epilogue fight.
For Luffy, the fight with Blackbeard or Imu will likely be the fight with the highest stakes but his final fight could be in the epilogue against Coby.
Using an already existing example in Naruto Shippuden; Naruto's highest stakes fight was against Kaguya but his actual final fight was against Sasuke.
@@DolchiO07so you telling me that Zoro and Mihawk will fight for fun? I don't think so
Indeed, I don't see Shiryu on Zoro's level at this point. We could in fact get strawhats and red hair as a team, especially if Blackbeard can get an ancient weapon.
@@sunflowersofinferno7904 I mean they basically did that back in East Blue, Mihawk had some time to kill so he humored Zoro, he then saw how dedicated Zoro was and respected him for it, Mihawk and Zoro have no real bad blood, Mihawk is kinda Zoro's mentor it would be a fight of respect and would be fun for both of them. Mihawk is bored af all the time, and only really has fun when facing someone who is equally unique
Multible SH members have yet to achieve their dreams. Some of them are at this point still very far out of reach (Chopper finding cures to all diseases 0_o) ), so that it would most likely not be possible to reach them between Egghead and the final war. Zoro vs Mihawk being an epiloge fight (the epiloge will absolutely be longer than a chapter) is a reasonable prediction.
The Mihawk dilemma is easily solved by the Gorosei being relatively unknown in terms of power or by them being demons of Imu.
I don't personally think that Oda will switch it for the final fight as it is meant to be a sort of culmination of everything that has come before.
Wasnt there a Zoro movie where they both fought opposite opponents and said if they lost it would be a disrespect to one another?
Isn't one of the reasons fans give for why there isn't a stronger swordsman than Miwak that it'll be disappointing if Zoro was in ignorance thinking he's the Strongest Swordsman by defeating Mihawk when there exists a stronger swordsman.
Personally, Venus being a stronger swordsman than Mihawk but Zoro just won't fight him so he still became the strongest swordsman by defeating Mihawk will be disappointing if it happens.
Zoro also seems to not care if the opponent themselves don't call themselves swordsmen, if the opponent has a blade that's all that seems to matter.
Not exactly the title of strongest swordsman is given to a swordsman someone who's devoted their life to mastering the sword and has taken the title, Mihawk is titled strongest swordsman because that's what he is, zoro doesn't care what someone calls themselves because it's irrelevant and would feel weird if zoro only fought to go "you a swordsman?" his duty is to protect his captain and see that his dream comes to true Zoro still cares about his but his priority is luffy he's been shown willing to give up his dream if it means his captain can reach his.
But he also desires to be the greatest swordsman not only for his childhood promise but for his captain because the pirate king should have no less on his crew. To get the title of strongest swordsman you'd have to kill whoever holds the title it's irrelevant if they actually are or not it's about the title and passing it down through winning it someone who is a swordsman but doesn't pursue the title isn't in the same realm as Mihawk and Zoro titles have been shown to hold little meaning and are more a status symbol in the world of one piece they don't need to be true roger may have been king of the pirates but he didn't get to rule over them he just made it to the end of the grandline the celestial dragons assume themselves to be gods but it's not true
@@MyNamesHunter75Lol, being the PK doesn't mean you rule over pirates, it just means you achieved what no other pirate was able to (i.e. find the one piece).
@@MyNamesHunter75Zoro said that he’ll be the strongest swordsman in history no way he’s going to have a fraudulent title by the end of the story. Mihawk was called the strongest swordsman in name and reality, so it isn’t just a status symbol
I mean it's like beating Lance in red and blue and him saying there's a new champion since Blue just won.
Idk King had a blade Zoro said himself that he assumed he was a swordsman but he wasn't so it does matter
Makes little sense if dude has a sword that's like 1/5 of his combat style 😂
Technically, they’ve switched matchups before. Back at ennies lobby, Oda was thinking about doing Sanji vs Kaku and Zoro vs Jabra
Nah Sanji and Zoro are just getting a quick clash with the others final opponent
Never make theories or powerscale again , you are terrible.
Minority hunter zoro will fight the Ju Peter. Calling it now
Luffy will fight the World Goverment as the Pirate King and Zoro as the World's Greatest Swordsman.
Luffy vs Blackbeard and Zoro vs Mihawk will be prior at Laugtale. There, Luffy will surpass Roger and Zoro will surpass Mihawk.
Next, is something far bigger than finding the One Piece. Freeing the world. In the final war, Luffy will defeat Imu and surpass Joyboy (history's greatest liberator) and Zoro will defeat V. Nusjuro and surpass Ryuma (history's greatest swordsman). I suspect it will also be revealed that Ryuma fought the World Goverment and died to Venus.
To me it's clear as day. What I can't fit is Akainu, Shiryu and the Admirals. The marines' fights are solvable if in order to reach Marijoa they need to conquer Marine"s HQ and they rest/regroup there to attack Marijoa in a few days. But when is Zoro fighting Shiryu? Maybe he mid diffs him in Laugh Tale before fighting Mihawk. lol If we go by his invisibility fruit, his fight is going to be more gimmicky than pure skills.
You’re already wrong at the beginning because the author stated twice the series ends after the One Piece is found
have a big theory Joyboy was never a devil fruit eater ,after joyboy death joyboy's will reincarnated in Nica fruite ,and then he see luffy's potential and give tha Nica fruite to Luffy to achieve joyboy's dream/wish
I meen joyboy was born with that power and after he died the power reincarnated into nika fruite
Venus is definitely Zoro's final match. My theory is Venus is the actual strongest swordsman. It would be true to the theme of "Frog in a Well" If Mihawk is also a victim of this mentality. For years he is think he's the strongest one not knowing a bigger Fish is just hiding for political reasons. Mihawk finna get clapped by Venus while the latter talking shit to Mihawk how foolish he was to the think he's the bigger frog😊
Yeah I'm sure Mihawk has no knowledge about the WG 😂 Man I'm glad Oda writes the story because at this point the fandom is brain dead and doesn't care about anything but their own agendas
Just cause the world acknowledge mihawk as the worlds strongest swordmans doesn’t mean hes stronger than the goresi strongest swordsman
Or the God Knights. Garling is a swordsman.
I doubt the Gorosei are actually the final opponents like everyone seems to assume. When has Oda ever shown us so much of a villain group, when they're meant to be defeated 2, 3, maybe even 4 arcs down the line? Imagine if we had already seen all the top Beast Pirates and their powers at the end of Dress Rosa. How on earth would you be able to set up any sort of dramatic arc for Wano in that case?
For this specific incarnation of the Gorosei at least, I'm willing to bet they're either all defeated this arc or won't play a major role in the final battle.
I'm not sure why we're still stuck on the idea that Mihawk is the strongest combatant with a sword. Kaido was supposed to be the strongest creature, well he's done with and now we're seeing Warcury pull off crazier stuff than Kaido ever could. Who's to say Nusjuro isn't a tougher fight than Mihawk? The Elders have there own unique powerset, and clearly aren't considered when they come up with these titles.
Kaido was literally defeated by a god… LMFAO . No one else was able to defeat him. Why is his titled being questioned because he lost to a GOD??
@@Sociallybeast01 Its very telling that you have to remove all the context from that statement to make it sound impressive. A more accurate and descriptive way to put it would be: "Kaido was literally defeated by a rubber-hose cartoon character."
Warcry tanked an attack from Luffy…and?
Doesn’t mean he is stronger than Kaido
@@aceclover758 He not only tanked an attack that flattenrd Kaido, but he's also shown the strongest Conqueror's Haki feat in the series. Remembering stuff is hard though, buddy. Don't beat yourself up too bad over it. I wanted to like Kaido too.
@@Sociallybeast01You will look so stupid when you realize nika was never an actual god ☠️
Still think Zoro will Fight Venusjuro.
The upcoming Zoro Novel will hopefully add a few more hints on Zoro Final opponents, Mihawk being a holy Knight in the final War could be another twist.
Zoro novel?? What's that???
Zoro novel won't add shit, the novels are not canon. The manga is the only reliable source of information, those novels are garbage fanfictions written by random people and Oda just gives them the OK as long as they don't write something too wild
@@MarcoDToonQuick question, does Shanks has observation haki killing?
@@MarcoDToonOda said he will heavily influence whatever goes in that novel, so it is cannon. And it’s just detailing Zoros adventures before meeting luffy
@@MarcoDToon it will be canon
I think Buggy & Shanks’ crew sacrifice themselves to help the Strawhats defeat Blackbeard. And then they get a power up to face Imu/Gorosei at the end.
How many times do we gotta teach you this lesson old man!!
One reason why I believe this is that it makes sense based on who Sanji and Zoro fight the most.. each other. All those fights on the ship were perfect training
I think Mihawk needs a power-scale fight as well
The planet alignment theory still works because if we assume Imu (the #1) is Luffy's final opponent, then it would make Warcury the #2 (for Zoro) and V. Nusjuro the #3 (for Sanji)
This whole video is just some bs
I like Mihawk and I think that he might not be the world's greatest swordsman. This doesn't take away from Mihawk. The revelation that Kiado wasn't the world's strongest creature didn't take away from Kiado, his story, or his fight with Luffy. So why would Venus being a better swordsman take away from Zoro's fight with Mihawk? It would add to it. Zoro fights and beats Mihawk only to find out there is one person Mihawk was never able to challenge for the title. Venus.
So, what is the point of Mihawk's character?
Bruh idk if a character like Mihawk would go around thinking he is that for no real reason and telling Zoro that he will hold the seat as he tries to surpass him no matter how many years it takes etc.
Like Mihawks interaction with Zoro handing Zoro his worst L him having the strongest black blade etc too many things point to Mihawk being him that it makes no sense to just go left 1000 chapters later
Mihawk eyes ~ IMU eyes
I want Mihawk to fight Venus-juro. That would ratify him as the strongest swordsman.
i do think that zoro is going to fight warcury instead because he seem to be presented as being tough and well zoro wanted to be able to cut everything tough.
yeah i think so too. warcury is like imu's first mate
interesting idea but Zoro will fight Nusjuro for sure and Sanji will fight Mars.
There is an easy fix for this.
It's not like Mihawk was able to fight Nusjuro or even Garling most probably.
Mihawk is the World's Greatest Swordsman.
Nusjuro is the Greatest Swordsman in History...that's one step above Mihawk and doesn't negate what Mihawk is.
Mihawk is the greatest active known swordsman.
Nusjuro is the greatest in history...or maybe you can argue it is Ryuuma.
But then Nusjuro is hidden and not really known by mass public the entire time, so even if he is the 2nd next to Ryuuma, if Zoro beats Mihawk and Nusjuro, it makes Zoro on par with Ryuuma really close to him.
King attacked Sanji .. King is Sanji opponent. Sanji attacked Page 1 . ,, page 1 is Sanji opponent
Perhaps the thing that allows Zoro to fight Nusjuro while being the strongest swordsman could be that Nusjuro isn't acounted in universe for being the strongest swordsman, since he spends his time in heaven and hasn't probably fought someone for centries. Thus he can't be in consideration as only 5 people actually know his true strength. Zoro could be the strongest swordsman on land while Nusjuro is the strongest in heaven
It has been adressed but with a very weak rebuttal imp
venus is weak cause he pinned by giants
@@audaciousjones Wait so because he was grapped by two members of the physically most powerfull race while off guard that means he is weak
@debater452 those are the same giants that got low diffed by paulie and the franky family
@@audaciousjones Characters apperantly can't become more powerfull
My theory is that nasjuro is stronger than mihawk but since he is always on the redline no one knows his true strength
Why mars tho?
Dumb theory
Luffy Vs. Blackbeard will be the final confrontation.
I actually think it will be Blackbeard who ends up being the downfall of the World Government.
Yes 100%, Blackbeard has been a rival since the start. Imu will job before the final fight
Nah
I actually like this a lot. Sanji’s armor combined with haki would be a good counter for a sword as we saw with his fight with Queen
One thing that would seal the deal: If the V. In V. Nusjuro stands for Vinsmoke.
The v stands for Venus😂
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23no bro Its V.nus juro ...it sounds like venus
@@095-tayordarang2 And you think the v stands for vinsmoke?💀
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23 never said that
"What i call is mIkHaWk dILeMa"
🙀
Another option: not all toe gorosay make it to the end game. Zoro could defeat v. Nusjoro earlier in the story, and there are only 4 gorosay left by the time there is a grand showdown between luffy and imu
Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman
But Venus is both not a "man" and not part of the "world"
I wouldn't say Pika was a greater challenge. Like sure maybe Pika is stronger than all of his previous enemies. But Pika wasn't a challenge for Zoro the same way mr 1 or kaku were.
I think the real question is "Is VenusJuro stronger than Mihawk?" if the answer to that question is "yes" then Zoro has to fight him
I dunno man. I just think Mihawk never fought Imu and his personal godhand
The more we get now with the gorossei the more I’m starting to believe that black beard will be the final boss and not imu.
I appreciate this theory but I honestly doubt it. The problem is that Nusjuro's not just a good fight for Zoro because he's a swordsman. He also has the last Kitetsu blade, and he's almost 100% from Wano, where Zoro's heritage is from. For those reasons, to me it seems like Zoro vs Nusjuro is set in stone. I also think you might be jumping to conclusions a bit too much here. Even if we assume that the Gorosei and Imu will 100% be the final villains (which isn't guaranteed because of Blackbeard), there's plenty of ways you could write Venus to be a harder fight for Zoro than Mihawk without making him stronger necessarily. You see, something the Gorosei seem to have that Mihawk certainly doesn't is pseudo immunity. We're not entirely sure why right now, but it seems like they can't really be hurt. This ability alone could make the fight incredibly difficult for Zoro without actually making Venus stronger than Mihawk, because Zoro could slice him up, clearly showing he's the superior swordsman, but because of Venus's hax abilities, he can't be finished off without Luffy defeating Imu or something. Maybe the condition for the final conflict against the Gorosei will be that none of them can be defeated until Luffy defeats Imu. In that case, the fight would be harder not because Venus is actually stronger than Mihawk, but because of Imu's abilities.
Or we could just have the final fights be against the Blackbeard pirates and the cross guild for the world, after the government has already been toppled. Also I know everyone shuts on Dragon but the revolutionary’s not being a part of the world government matchups makes no sense to me
Yall are misunderstanding that the celestial dragons live in a different world than the rest of the world. So Mihawk is the strongest swordsmen in the “normal world” while there could be stronger celestial swordsmen in the holy land but they don’t really care to fight for titles such as worlds strongest swordsman because they already think their better than everyone else in the first place. So may just compete amongst themselves and have their own worlds strongest swordsmen
Zoro fights Mihawk and Shanks fights Luffy either prior or after the Final War. Luffy fights Blackbeard and become Pirate King before fighting Imu as King of the World. The Imu fight will be Joy Boy's getback and well as the final fight of Nika the Sun God and first of the Pirate King Luffy. I think Sanji clashing with V.Nusjuro and Zoro clashing with Mars is limited to Egghead arc. Zoro HAS to fight a swordsman with the Shodai Kitsesu.
Well there was the speculation that Gorosei are Endgame villains which got additonal support with Garling and Holy Knights Introduction. Meaning that since the existance and powers of these guys is unknown, the Worlds Strongest Swordman title was outside of their field. But since Egghead this might not be the case. Originally Nosjuro was estimated to be a final Kitetsu blade user fitting opponent for Zoro after he has taken the WSS title. But with how the story goes Mihawk might still be be Endgame material ( Imu and HK connection) .So who can fill the space between Admirals and Hawkeye. A Giant Competent Swordman.Legendary norse blade ispiration , Haki and All .
Takenote there's no honourable in war. Both zoro and mihawk is both honourable fighter/swordsman. Their fight will happen as 1v1 duel focused fight for the title of WORLDS STRONGEST SWORDSMAN. In that way oda can achieved his dream...didn't oda made a statement about his swordsman dream fight of a rough samurai and noble swordsman ... Indicating zoro vs mihawk is end game fight for zoro or even end game fight in the story!
The mihawk point does not make sense. If Zoro beats Mihawk. Then Zoro is stronger than Mihawk period. Then if Mars is stronger than Mihawk and Zoro beats Mars then Zoro is stronger than Mars. Sanji is of comparable strength to Zoro because of how Oda portrays them. So if when Zoro defeats Mihawk, Sanji is might not defeat Mihawk but is of comparable strength to him. After which when Zoro beats Mars and Sanji beats Venus, by becoming stronger, then that would imply Venus is stronger than Mihawk. That would make Venus a stronger swordsman than Mihawk. So the entire Mihawk point of view fails.
But the other point where Mars is War and Venus is love makes more sense.
Mr.morj have devil fruits power.
His fruit name is fault fault no mi...
Model...the fault man...And he power is beyond awakening ..
How is it even a question what the power hierarchy of the Gorosei is? Every SINGLE time we ever see them in the entire manga, they are presented in this order:
1. Ju Peter
2. V. Nusjuro
3. Warcury
4. Mars
5. Saturn
THAT is the order that Oda shows them in EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. WITHOUT FAIL. All the way back to Jaya, they are ALWAYS in that order. That’s the order.
All of Zoro's opponents since entering the New World are flyer's (or so big Zoro needs to fly to himself). Punk Hazard's Dragon, Monet, Pica, Kaido, Big Mom, King, Kaku & Lucci (through moonwalk), and the Seraphim (with their DOM shoes).
So Zoro's final opponent will most likely be Gorosei Mars, because his a demonic bird.
Ironically compared to Sanji & Luffy (in Gears 4 & 5), Zoro is the only member of the Monster Trio who can't fly.
The mihawk dilemma doesnt even exist Imo
The fact that Mihawk is the WSS doesnt mean that he is stronger than anyone wielding a sword, it just means that he is the best at swordmanship.
Kaido clearly said during his fight with Luffy that the mastery of Haki was the best way to become stronger
And Mihawk isnt strong enough to give Zoro an endgame fight. It is clearly shown that Mihawk is YC1/Admiral level at most
He attacked Whitebeard at marineford but Jozu stopped the attack, Also Vista can oficially compete with Mihawk (it is said in his Vivrecard)
I just Think that Zoro and Mihawk wont even fight at all, Mihawk was Zoro's mentor, just like Rayleigh with Luffy and Ivankov for Sanji
Do you see Rayleigh fighting luffy or Ivankov fighting Sanji ?
Great video tho
Haven't watched the video yet, but the problem is with the progress Luffy has..
Luffy's main goal shifts a little..From PK, to fulfilling Joyboy's will....and at the end of that, we find his true dream..whatever we didn't get to hear.
Zoro doesn't really want to become the worlds strongest swordsman..He wants his name to reach the heavens..He wants to be the best ever..
How would defeating Mars push Zoro's dream beyond what defeating Mihawk gives him?..
Defeating Mihawk gives him the title of WSS, but defeating someone let's say beyond Mihawk should push Zoro above his title of WSS...How do we know Zoro surpassed Ryuma for example?..
From the translation i've read, it looks like Ryuma didn't live 400 years ago..The translation i've seen said that he leaved at least 400 years ago..So the time can be quite different..
What if he was part of Joyboy's crew?
There’s some cool ideas about this theory. Like the idea that Venus is the God of Love and Mars is the God of War. As well as the idea that the power would be who’s closest to Earth.
Still issues though. Such as, why is Warcury always displayed as the top man? Why is his name Topman?
Why about Mercury, the Messenger God? Jupiter, the God of Thunder? Saturn, the God of Time?
Also, they also have their own God titles in the series. Perhaps there is something to it, but there also are flaws, other things to think about.
Perhaps, Zoro and Sanji will team up to fight Venus and Mars. A bit of a crazy though, but hmmm
Lets stop playing games. Dracule Mihawk with his Devilish Vampire form will be and is the Final opponent for Zoro. Dragon And the Revolutionary Army have always been positioned as Taking down the Celestial Dragons including Imu and the Gods knights not even mentioning the Gorosei Because they are getting packed up by The Blackbeard pirate's Shiryu is an opp from jump and is likely to be playing the long game with Blackbeard alongside Kuzan. Sanji's Final opponent will be Ivankov or some out of left field new character that pops up in the final arc of the Story
Zoro defeats Mihawk making him the strongest swordsman in the world, However we don't fully understand the Gorosei and their powers just yet, so going on the massive assumption that after Zoro defeats Mihawk, he'll be too strong for any other opponents is beyond nonsensical if this applies to the Gorosei. Oda could easily write the Gorose to be an ancient race of powerful Archdemons created by Imu that transcend the abilities of man, devil fruits and Haki, making Zoro's final fight have real weight behind it. He'll have to remember all the skills he's learned during his adventures in order to defeat this final opponent. Zoro would have achieved his goal to Kuina, but he develops a new goal...help his captain save the world from being destroyed. The real problem is that we don't know how many more islands and opponents Zoro will face before the Final War begins.
Once Egghead and Elbaf conclude, are we going straight to Lodestar and Laugh Tale for the decisive battle to determine who will be the new King of the Pirates and claim the One Piece? Zoro vs. Shiryu?! Or will the Strawhats take a detour and travel out into Space? Enel's return?! During the Final War, will he defeat Fujitora or another admiral? If Luffy is fighting Imu, who will defeat the Gorosei member besides Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei? There are still two Gorosei members remaining, will they engage the Strawhat Grand Fleet and get taken out by them with the support of Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, Robin, and Brook?
We haven't even begun to talk about the Seraphim and the mysteriously introduced God's Knights. My initial thoughts were that the Seraphim will evolve into adulthood making them way more powerful then they are now Zoro will more than likely have to defeat some powerful God's Knight General. There a lot of different variables to consider from character to all the different factions colliding and Oda will probably move/change different elements of the story around to throw us off and surprise fans in order to make the story less predictable. BTW, I'm still not convinced Kaido and Big Mom are dead. Having them appear during the Final War would be amazingly problematic, especially if they bring their crews. I imagine Kaido will be actively seeking out Luffy for a rematch. Charlotte Katakuri and King the Conflagration team-up?
If I had to place a random bet. Leaving Luffy vs Imu. Sanji vs Sakazuki, Sanji kicks a hole through Sakazuki saying he's hotter than magma. Zoro vs Blackbeard, Blackbeard shows he's picked up a 3rd devil fruit power in addition to his darkness fruit proving to still neutralize gear 5. As much as he might want to settle those fights himself, he's always takes on the responsibility of the biggest threat. I think they'll all make it to the final battle, and Luffy will trust those fights to them so he can take out Imu.
I wouldn't bet more than a $1.00 on it, but it sounds fun.
Imo the final battle is Straw Hats vs Red Hair Pirates+Mihawk for the One Piece. Author stated twice the series ends after the One Piece is found, in the SBS version of the statement if you read Arthur’a translation his reasoning is that the One Piece is the whole purpose for the series’ existence therefore there’s no reason for it to continue afterwards. The WG are ultimately a side quest (an important one but still a side quest) to pirates competing for the One Piece. Shanks is Luffy’s ultimate rival established in chapter 1 not Blackbeard. Shanks is the modern day Roger, Blackbeard is a Whitebeard Rocks hybrid. Goro Tanaguchi who knows the ending of the series stated Shanks is as important to One Piece as Luffy and Oda very early on said frequent appearances from Shanks means we’re in the final saga. A profound quote no one ever talks about from Luffy is I’m gonna be stronger than ANYONE I promised SHANKS I’m gonna be a great pirate. It’s very clear that Luffy sees Shanks as his final opponent after he has overcome everything else including the WG much the same as Zoro is chasing Mihawk. The arguments against Shanks potentially being his final opponent aren’t based on anything but a false perceived notion of the narrative
The other problem I have with this specific theory is we already saw there’s 9 God Knights and Garling the leader is a swordsman. So I don’t think Straw Hats vs Gorosei will ever be a thing. On the flip side notice that Shanks’ right hand isn’t a swordsman which by my logic would be because Zoro won’t fight Benn but instead faces Mihawk while Sanji gets to fight Benn
Sorry Mihawk fans but first of all, there’s no fucking way he’s ever personally fought Nusjuro- the true forms of the Gorosei are secret to the entire world. OBVIOUSLY, he is not considered as part of Mihawk’s title, and is probably stronger than Mihawk. More than that though, there’s a 0% chance that Mihawk is Zoro’s last fight in the series, because the stakes wouldn’t make any sense. Their rivalry is purely formal, the only reason that they have to fight each other is over that title. It would be narratively stupid and contrived if Mihawk were the final fight for Zoro.
The only way to keep everything making sense is if Shiryu defeats Mihawk when the Red Hair Pirates, Cross Guild and BB Pirates fight over the One Piece, a party that the Strawhats will be late to because they’ll be taking down the Gorosei before then.
When they arrive at Laughtale, Zoro will kill Shiryu, taking from him the title of the world’s greatest swordsman, as well as avenging the man who trained him. And honestly just think abour how satisfying THAT will be. If Zoro’s final opponent is the man who stole from him the chance to properly challenge Mihawk?? The stakes don’t GET more personal than that.
There are two separate people, two members of the D Clan who perfectly fit the prophecy of being the one to change the fate of the world. Luffy and Teach.
Defeating the world government isn’t the end of the story, because the world will be left with a major power vacuum. Oda has shown us that the current status quo of the world MUST be destroyed. But what happens to the world after that? Does it become Luffy’s world, where everyone is free? Or Teach’s world, ruled by the BB Pirates? That will be the stakes of the final fight.
Additionally to that, we know that the straw hat always gets passed down to the next generation to carry on the will from Roger, to Shanks, to Luffy, and so the story will probably end with Luffy passing it off to someone new. But there’s one problem with this: he made a promise to return it to Shanks. The only way that this can be resolved is if Shanks dies before Luffy can meet him again, almost certainly at the hands of Blackbeard, while fighting over the One Piece. After all, that’s just what happens when the Mentor fights the Main Villain. The Mentor dies. Always.
Still thinking Blackbeard is the final fight. Makes more sense for me
Venusjuro could still be stronger than Mihawk via his Devil Fruit like you say, but I also wonder if Oda is willing to open that can of worms. Readers could very easily say "He's pressuring Zoro with his Devil Fruit? He's a stronger sword wielder than Mihawk?! Mihawk is a fraud!" To be fair though, I'm getting the sense that Venusjuro's centaur form only serves to augment his sword skill.
I think Zoro's final opponent will be St. Garling. Shanks, a clear relative of St. Garling, was Mihawk's rival before he lost his arm. I think St. Garling is probably The Greatest Swordsman in the world, he is just a Celestial Dragon and doesn't have any reason to leave Mariejois to exercise his skill as a swordsman. He did scar prime Whitebeard who was arguably Pirate King level at the time. I feel like by the time Zoro reaches St. Garling, Zoro will already be considered The Greatest Swordsman so St. Garling will surprise Zoro with his strength.
This entire arc has been basically showing us the power ceiling of The World Nobles. Our crew can't scratch the Gorosei currently and who is to even say that they are all of the strongest Celestial Dragons? Even what we've seen of St. Garling shows unreal power.
Hello Morj, I disagree. Love your theories, but I think this one misses the point that Oda is pretty consistent as a writer and I doubt would make a change this late in the game. I think this is a situation like in Wano where early on, Queen pulled out a sword, and King had a flaming Kick and we thought Oda might be switching things. Sanji even fought King while Queen was preventing Zoro from getting to the roof. I think this is as simple as they're not each other's final opponent, so Oda is not having them encounter each other yet. This is Oda's way of showing off the bad guys, but when the stage is set they'll fight their proper enemy.
Zoro fighting another Demon of hell and Sanji fighting a fire breathing flyer makes for really cool fights. Also Venusjuro probably does have the Shodai Kitetsu, and Mars so far is being tied with York, so I can see him protecting her in the final War but then attacking her allowing Sanji to get his chivalry moment cause Oda LOVES the girl is bad but flips side for the power of love. (Viola, Pudding, Kyuin, Baby 5)
You could apply the same logic to the match ups with the Blackbeard Pirates. Everyone says "Zoro has to fight Shiryu because he's the swordsman"-but he's also the guy currently using the Devil Fruit Sanji dreamed of eating. And Shiryu may be a swordsman but that doesn't make him on the power level appropriate to Zoro's opponent either just before Mihawk, just after Mihawk, or between Mihawk and his Final War opponent. *Regardless* of the order of the fights.
Solid match-up that I feel like is a good chance due to King/Queen, but my theory is still that Mihawks goal was to defeat Shiryu. Although, he wasnt able to hunt him down because Shiryu got himself locked up.
Jist of the theory is that Zoro goes on to finish Mihawks actual dream of defeating Shiryu in the final climax fight against Blackbeard (Mihawk -> Gorosei -> Shiryu).
Im just convinced that BB takes one up on Imu somehow in the world power scale lol
This is just a feeling, but I think Shiryu will be Zoros final opponent. Shiryu can become invisible, will most likely fight very unfair and there's the possibility that he awakens his DF. (Invisible Swords Man with invisible sword(s) sounds scary af imo). That would make Shiryu the most difficult fight for Zoro, because he can't just power through his opponent like he used to do.
For once I feel you've been wrong from the beginning, because of who you think Mohawk would fight.
Zoro will fight Mohawk AFTER the final battle, and it will be a one attack fight, like actual real samurais, why? Because we would have already seen Mohawk's full power shown in detail, how? Because Mohawk will have to fight the "better" version of himself, the adult version seraphim of himself, and this fight will be long, and will show Mohawk full set of fighting prowess, showing the seraphim one upping him every time.
THIS would make story sense, because now Mohawk NEEDS to ,maintain his title, and this would actually show why he is the best, even over the better version.
And once Mihawk fights Zoro, neither have to prove anything, they would both have shown why they are at the top, and they will put their entire strength in one single hit, like the old samurai movie duels, like true samurais, deciding who is the true best in a one blow takes all style.
I like how this community brain works for sometime for example an oldman with a sword and have op df user and have one of the most insane regeneration still is called the swordsman. On the other hand there's a character whi was dueling with WSS form long time and lost his arm now he have only one hand and he used sword with that and also didn't have any df and still isn't a swordsman 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OP youtubers/Community is full of hypocrites. Because Zoro fighting Swordsman or not that doesn't matter from the start because he never fought any character who is purely used sword and haki except Mihawk/Ryuma Obviously Zoro can fight stronger opponent than Mihawk but Not a single gorosei feel like they can compete against Mihawk/Ryuma. So until Oda shows something about Marsh that make him truly a character who is stronger than Mihawk/Ryuma the possibility of Mihawk being the final opponent doesn't change.
The "World's Strongest Swordsman" title is doing A SHIT TON OF WORK when we know titles like those hold little to no water in One Piece.
I understand why the hypothetical scenario is appealing but the reasoning for it makes no sense.
Why tf does Mihawk have to literally be the world's strongest swordsman when almost everyone can agree Mihawk cannot beat Venusjuro due to the insane regen Venus has.
Mihawk being stronger than Shanks is highly debatable so "Mihawk is stronger than Venusjuro" being treated as a fact is absolutely dumb.
That being said the video idea is interesting.
We have LONG since established that people who use swords can be more powerful than Mihawk in general so long as their real power comes from something other than their sword-- like stupid strong conqueror's haki (Shanks, Gol D. Roger, Whitebeard). You ignoring something that obvious is just born out of copium. Plus-- obviously people the world in general didn't even know about weren't in the competition when Mihawk was given the crown.
No shade, but not your strongest theory and, honestly, pretty long-winded for what it is.
You're forgetting about S-Hawk. VP has stated that they'll be stronger than even the originals once they fully mature (could be wrong about exact phrasing there, tbh, but that's the strong implication). If someone else defeated S-Hawk (eg Shiryu) , then they too could claim to be WSS. Zoro's final opponent should be that person.
I do think Venusjuro and Saint Figarland are stronger swordsmen than Mihawk, not because of the semantics of "heaven" vs "the world," but rather because of two things: everyone calling Mihawk strongest in the world simply does not know about the fighters among the celestial dragons; and any strong celestial dragons have no reason to prove themselves against filthy "humans."
There's also the possibility that Zoro's final opponent in S-Hawk, since we literally know that once the seraphim reach full maturity they will be much stronger than their shichibukai originals.
I still think that the celestial dragons will be defeated first and then we will get the chaos of the power vacumm created where the marines, blackbeard and cross guild will get involved. Fighting against the celestial dragrons is not something personal for the straw hats, is just them helping others. Akainu, blackbeard would be matchups very personal for Luffy and Sabo, and Mihawk for Zoro as always.