What if Zorro fights the leader of God Knights (the father or grandfather of Shanks) , the only way to surpass Mihawk is to overpower the Other version of Shanks
"Compared to his, your sword is just a piece of crap" - Sanji "There's a man in this world who kicks with more power than you'd ever be able to" - Zoro
This whole video is steeped in western powerscaling discussion logic, rather than hints we see in the actual story. Narratively, there's no guarantee that Mihawk is stronger than Figarland Garling.
I think this is a case of overthinking. Oda made one Gorosei a swordsman specifically for Zoro, and the fact it's difficult to predict how it will play out is deliberate because Oda is hiding an X-Factor that will make everything fall into place.
Also the fact that they haven't seen each other adds to the suspense for when it does happen, them seeing each other right now maybe considered too early
The same thing happened during the raid. Sanji and King had a little scuffle once and people automativally thought he was gonna be Sanjis opponent even though since chapter 1 Zoro fought the 1st mate of every crew.
I feel like the Blackbeard Pirates will be the real final villains. But they won’t be fighting the SH at their best because if they are really cunning, they will ambush them after the SH fight Imu and his buddies. This will also offset the difference in power the SH have over the blackbeard
@@debater452 one shot how? Shiryu wasn’t KO’d or incapacitated by the hit. He literally laughs at Garp after Garp lands the hit. Pizarro got hit by an ACoC punch head on, and it didn’t even do enough damage to stun him. He straight up attacks the ship immediately
Haven't watch the whole vid yet but i'm gonna assume zoro will fight mihawk prior the final war arc and become the "world's" greatest swordsman. from that point, i think Oda and the lore of OP makes it clear that the celestial dragons see themselves as a higher entity and aren't involved or included in the OP "world." So imo, I feel like that's the narrative moving forward for Zoro's final fight in which he's fighting a "celestial" version of the greatest swordsman (celestial in the context of "out of this world" or "heaven")
Yeah this may be a Jack the drought situation. We might learn that the Gorosei are actually weak compared to the God's Knights for whatever reason. And as you pointed out, I doubt that Mihawk went around challenging Celestial Dragons. His title is only as the strongest swordsman in the lower realms.
zoro should fight Venus (nasujuro) - kitetsu, potential ryuma lore, ice vs. hellfire , etc. he already fought a mythical zoan flying opponent (King) sanji should fight Mars - can fly for sky battle, mythical bird like Judge (Garuda)
That's the only thing that threw me off in the video. I'm fine with Zoro getting a stronger opponent than Sanji, but for Sanji's biggest and most testing battle to be someone that Zoro by that point would probably be mid diff or low diff? I really doubt
It's probably gonna happen, when strawhats fight blackbeard pirates and sanji doesn't fight aokiji or shiryu he will fight a weaker opponent than king (zoro's previous opponent)
I feel like Oda could also write Venus (Nusjuro. . .) as the one to defeat Mihawk if there's a huge encounter on Laugh Tale. Seems like the story is written into a corner, but the out that Morj had earlier was Venus is stronger than Mihawk but not as a swordsman. I personally don't mind if the villains have a power boost near the end so they'll feel more threatening without having the Mihawk ranking ruined. Think Saturn using something to do a power boost, or potentially a Blackbeard and Imu alliance and BB using something to power up everyone else in the alliance. Also wouldn't put it past Oda to do a Imu and Blackbeard fusion. Main issue I have with the Blackbeard pirates is how weak they are compared to Rock's crew. We went from a crew of like six conqueror's to a crew without any (beyond Aokiji), feel like BB teaming up with the Gorosei works but I really don't want it to be done poorly. BB would become "king of the world" if they fused too but I don't know if Oda would do something that crazy, even if the more I think of it the more BB's powers seem to be intentionally structured in that direction.
i’m surprised you haven’t spoke about latest color spread with Zoro and Sanji’s potential matchup foreshadowing. Chessboard, Zoro and Sanji as fully equipped knights. Zoro with a bird on his shield and Sanji with a horse on his.
Flaw with morj theory is this, throughout the story all zoro major opponents have been swordman. To have his final fight be a non swordman would make no sense for the consistency of the story. Also its not about making the fans happy, its about what make sense for the story. Also sanji had a brief fight with king but that wasnt his final opponent in wano. Best case scenario is mihawk is the strongest below and the real strongest is in heaven
@@julio7580 He didn't learn Soru he used Gear 2 to be fast enough to do a similar move. Yeah, it took Sanji two years to get that and it was because he kept running non stop
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Hm... Have you thought about why they do have it and neither Big Mom or Kaido do? It's narratively interesting. What makes Sanji getting Rankyaku narratively interesting? Cause as I said he didn't learn it like Zoro did, it makes no sense for him to develop it in Wano
I don't see why Mihawk has to be fought before the final war. It'd be cool to see Zoro meeting Mihawk on an abandoned island to finally settle it and achieve his dream. I don't see every straw hat fulfilling their dreams together. In fact, I think most of their dreams are only achievable by taking down the WG and destroying the Redline/Reverse Mountain. That being said, it makes sense for Zoro to fight the strongest planet, going by the solar system model in strength.
@@audaciousjones I disagree Mihawk was in east blue not only to zoro but to readers/watchers a taste of what the one piece world is actually like. To such a point it shaped Zoro, before Mihawk Zoro was fun and wasn't taking everything serious his fight with Mihawk caused him to look the world in the face and is also why he became more stoic he also made it clear to luffy that they aren't playing pirate he did that because he knew what the world actually had and luffy was still not taking things seriously. It's subtle but Mihawk was the defining moment for Zoro as a character along with him willingly giving up his dream to save luffy when "nothing happened" One piece has always had really subtle changes in characters from specific moments that go on to impact how they act and are in the rest of the story, look at usopp who is a brave cowards but he is that way because he idolizes to be like the giants. It's extremely prevalent in the East blue crew members
I don't mind it being after the series since I don't particularly care for it. But it's most likely going to be before the final war for 4 reasons. 1. This is Luffy's story so his dream is probably the biggest and hardest to achieve. So it's most likely going to be the last 1 achieved. 2. The strawhats will help luffy achieve his dream like they'll help him become PK. Luffy will play a hand in helping them achieve their dreams and in return, they'll all help him achieve his. 3. Luffy said anything less than WSS will make him look bad. So he will have the title by the time Luffy becomes PK. They could make a situation of Zoro saying the WSS being subordinate to anyone other than the PK will make him look bad 4. Zoro said he wanted to be so good that even heaven will hear of his great name. So he'll probably achieve his dream than walk in marejois and be acknowledged by heaven as the WSS, similar to how everyone had heard of him as the pirate hunter in the east blue
@@john-olivierlukama1548 If you look at certain straw hats' dreams, ones like Jinbei's, Nami's, Sanji's and Brook's are impossible without Luffy first achieving his destiny. Although, that being said, Luffy did hint to him having "an actual dream", not just becoming king of the pirates, so who knows?
The warlords were literally meeting in the holy land and even regular marines know them. It would be strange if Mihawk went to their and yet has never seen Garling, the other holy knights or the Gorosei?
@@shiki9856 maybe he knows the gorosei, but why would he know the holy knights. Especially since Garling played a role at God Valley, which the WG wants forgotten. The WG doesn't gain anything from telling the warlords about the Holy knights. In fact, it would be a huge risk to tell them, especially to people like Boa, Jinbe, Kuma, Doffy etc...
@@shiki9856 WSS title was most likely given by Morgans to sell newspapers. It only holds value because of how it's perceived. The same way Buggy is called an Emperor in name.
@@user-br3fk8dx8o i aint saying he is a fraud. All I’m saying is he might not necessarily be the strongest. Luffy was called a 5th yonko before reaching yonko level, WB was called the world strongest man even at his age with chars like shanks and mihawk around. It’s just people need to understand titles mean nothing without shown feats.
@6:14 I'm not saying I disagree with the entire point of the video but speaking for myself as a Zoro fan that's exactly what I'd like to see. I would love for after Zoro gets over the final hurdle EVERYONE except Luffy and a few others to be below Zoro. To me it would be underwhelming if immediately after he got the title he went on to struggle against his next opponent. He should be able to bask in the honor and prestige of being the WSS. I want him to be OP. If you don't think that's good storytelling or lame then he could easily fight multiple people at time or run a gauntlet kind of like Kaido. I'm not sure how the final battle is going to take place but if it really is a war then the chances of Zoro just fighting one opponent to begin with is already low. So just make him so strong he fights everyone at once lol. This isn't how it has to be but again as a Zoro fan I wouldn't mind it.
The planet alignment theory still works because if we assume Imu (the #1) is Luffy's final opponent, then it would make Warcury the #2 (for Zoro) and V. Nusjuro the #3 (for Sanji)
One reason why I believe this is that it makes sense based on who Sanji and Zoro fight the most.. each other. All those fights on the ship were perfect training
The Mihawk dilemma is easily solved by the Gorosei being relatively unknown in terms of power or by them being demons of Imu. I don't personally think that Oda will switch it for the final fight as it is meant to be a sort of culmination of everything that has come before.
The upcoming Zoro Novel will hopefully add a few more hints on Zoro Final opponents, Mihawk being a holy Knight in the final War could be another twist.
Zoro novel won't add shit, the novels are not canon. The manga is the only reliable source of information, those novels are garbage fanfictions written by random people and Oda just gives them the OK as long as they don't write something too wild
@@MarcoDToonOda said he will heavily influence whatever goes in that novel, so it is cannon. And it’s just detailing Zoros adventures before meeting luffy
I agree 100%. I would also mention how Zoro was learning to "cut" fire with Kinemon, and Mars seem to have fire abilities himself, like that "flamethrower". Venusjuro on the other hand has certain ties to ice, that contrast well against Sanji's fire and "healing factor". It's like Oda is purposefully picking fights with opposing abilities in mind and if that's the case, maybe Robin will fight Saturn. Not only they have a beef, but their abilities work great against each other. Robin can project her body thanks to her DF, however upon touching Saturn, she would get poisoned. She would have to then, utilize Fishman's Karate to avoid touching him. Also, to avoid his paralyzing glare, she'd have to evade him by creating body doubles. Such fight would be nuts!!!
I can imagine Zoro not getting a crack at Nasjuro would be disappointing too, but i could see an Eines lobby sort of opponent swap situation happening to rectify things. Zoro overpowers Nasjuro, but Nasjuro leaves too quick for Zoro to keep up to pick off the weaker crewmates. Sanji himself is struggling against Mars’s overwhelming power, making him be more of a man jumping in to rescue his friends over take down the enemy. In this, both have to begrudgingly recognize the other’s obvious advantage, and agree to swap their targets to best deal with the serious threat at hand.
I'm not sure why we're still stuck on the idea that Mihawk is the strongest combatant with a sword. Kaido was supposed to be the strongest creature, well he's done with and now we're seeing Warcury pull off crazier stuff than Kaido ever could. Who's to say Nusjuro isn't a tougher fight than Mihawk? The Elders have there own unique powerset, and clearly aren't considered when they come up with these titles.
@@Sociallybeast01 Its very telling that you have to remove all the context from that statement to make it sound impressive. A more accurate and descriptive way to put it would be: "Kaido was literally defeated by a rubber-hose cartoon character."
@@aceclover758 He not only tanked an attack that flattenrd Kaido, but he's also shown the strongest Conqueror's Haki feat in the series. Remembering stuff is hard though, buddy. Don't beat yourself up too bad over it. I wanted to like Kaido too.
I doubt the Gorosei are actually the final opponents like everyone seems to assume. When has Oda ever shown us so much of a villain group, when they're meant to be defeated 2, 3, maybe even 4 arcs down the line? Imagine if we had already seen all the top Beast Pirates and their powers at the end of Dress Rosa. How on earth would you be able to set up any sort of dramatic arc for Wano in that case? For this specific incarnation of the Gorosei at least, I'm willing to bet they're either all defeated this arc or won't play a major role in the final battle.
I think another important part of the Zoro matchup is that similar to how fans wanted Sanji to fight kizaru they also wanted Zoro to fight Kaido. Mars’ body type and ability to transform as a Zoan makes him a similar consolation prize to those who were disappointed that we didn’t get that matchup.
Way i look at it is luffy dream is going to be the last one to come true. Meaning after imu is defeated he gets his dream. Zoro final opponent is either gorosei or mihawk at the final war. However it does make more sense for everyone dream to come true at laughtale before luffy’s dream. one thing oda could do is mihawk is the strongest on earth or down below. The strongest swordman could easily be on mary geoise which doesnt apply mihawk
I think that Chopper wants to create a cure to all diseases (how 0_o) so that might be as difficult as Namis goal if not more. On another note is that I havent heard this from anyone yet but the potential flooding of the world might create the All-Blue for Sanji to discover.
Isn't one of the reasons fans give for why there isn't a stronger swordsman than Miwak that it'll be disappointing if Zoro was in ignorance thinking he's the Strongest Swordsman by defeating Mihawk when there exists a stronger swordsman. Personally, Venus being a stronger swordsman than Mihawk but Zoro just won't fight him so he still became the strongest swordsman by defeating Mihawk will be disappointing if it happens. Zoro also seems to not care if the opponent themselves don't call themselves swordsmen, if the opponent has a blade that's all that seems to matter.
Not exactly the title of strongest swordsman is given to a swordsman someone who's devoted their life to mastering the sword and has taken the title, Mihawk is titled strongest swordsman because that's what he is, zoro doesn't care what someone calls themselves because it's irrelevant and would feel weird if zoro only fought to go "you a swordsman?" his duty is to protect his captain and see that his dream comes to true Zoro still cares about his but his priority is luffy he's been shown willing to give up his dream if it means his captain can reach his. But he also desires to be the greatest swordsman not only for his childhood promise but for his captain because the pirate king should have no less on his crew. To get the title of strongest swordsman you'd have to kill whoever holds the title it's irrelevant if they actually are or not it's about the title and passing it down through winning it someone who is a swordsman but doesn't pursue the title isn't in the same realm as Mihawk and Zoro titles have been shown to hold little meaning and are more a status symbol in the world of one piece they don't need to be true roger may have been king of the pirates but he didn't get to rule over them he just made it to the end of the grandline the celestial dragons assume themselves to be gods but it's not true
@@MyNamesHunter75Lol, being the PK doesn't mean you rule over pirates, it just means you achieved what no other pirate was able to (i.e. find the one piece).
@@MyNamesHunter75Zoro said that he’ll be the strongest swordsman in history no way he’s going to have a fraudulent title by the end of the story. Mihawk was called the strongest swordsman in name and reality, so it isn’t just a status symbol
Idk King had a blade Zoro said himself that he assumed he was a swordsman but he wasn't so it does matter Makes little sense if dude has a sword that's like 1/5 of his combat style 😂
I agree since Sanji's attacks are mostly based on the Ground Aspect, specifically his Diablo Jambe series while some of Zoro's attacks, specifically his signature Aerial attack, Pound Phoenix, is aerial slice or wind slash, thus the Sky Aspect
There’s some cool ideas about this theory. Like the idea that Venus is the God of Love and Mars is the God of War. As well as the idea that the power would be who’s closest to Earth. Still issues though. Such as, why is Warcury always displayed as the top man? Why is his name Topman? Why about Mercury, the Messenger God? Jupiter, the God of Thunder? Saturn, the God of Time? Also, they also have their own God titles in the series. Perhaps there is something to it, but there also are flaws, other things to think about. Perhaps, Zoro and Sanji will team up to fight Venus and Mars. A bit of a crazy though, but hmmm
Luffy will fight the World Goverment as the Pirate King and Zoro as the World's Greatest Swordsman. Luffy vs Blackbeard and Zoro vs Mihawk will be prior at Laugtale. There, Luffy will surpass Roger and Zoro will surpass Mihawk. Next, is something far bigger than finding the One Piece. Freeing the world. In the final war, Luffy will defeat Imu and surpass Joyboy (history's greatest liberator) and Zoro will defeat V. Nusjuro and surpass Ryuma (history's greatest swordsman). I suspect it will also be revealed that Ryuma fought the World Goverment and died to Venus. To me it's clear as day. What I can't fit is Akainu, Shiryu and the Admirals. The marines' fights are solvable if in order to reach Marijoa they need to conquer Marine"s HQ and they rest/regroup there to attack Marijoa in a few days. But when is Zoro fighting Shiryu? Maybe he mid diffs him in Laugh Tale before fighting Mihawk. lol If we go by his invisibility fruit, his fight is going to be more gimmicky than pure skills.
I don't think Oda would introduce Mihawk so early in the series to make him the penultimate fight. He's literally Zoro's reason to live. I think the final battles will be: Luffy vs Blackbeard Zoro vs Mihawk(I think Blackbeard pirates and cross guild will combine forces) Sanji vs Kuzan(Fire vs Ice) While the rest of the strawhats will take on the Blackbeard fodder as none of them are that strong
Many people don't consider that the "final fight" and the "fight with the highest stakes" aren't always the same thing. Epilogue fights are a thing. The Zoro fight with the highest stakes might be either Shiryu, Figarland Garling, Venus or Mars. But after the Blackbeard pirates and the World Government have fallen Zoro vs Mihawk could well be the epilogue fight. For Luffy, the fight with Blackbeard or Imu will likely be the fight with the highest stakes but his final fight could be in the epilogue against Coby. Using an already existing example in Naruto Shippuden; Naruto's highest stakes fight was against Kaguya but his actual final fight was against Sasuke.
Indeed, I don't see Shiryu on Zoro's level at this point. We could in fact get strawhats and red hair as a team, especially if Blackbeard can get an ancient weapon.
@@sunflowersofinferno7904 I mean they basically did that back in East Blue, Mihawk had some time to kill so he humored Zoro, he then saw how dedicated Zoro was and respected him for it, Mihawk and Zoro have no real bad blood, Mihawk is kinda Zoro's mentor it would be a fight of respect and would be fun for both of them. Mihawk is bored af all the time, and only really has fun when facing someone who is equally unique
Multible SH members have yet to achieve their dreams. Some of them are at this point still very far out of reach (Chopper finding cures to all diseases 0_o) ), so that it would most likely not be possible to reach them between Egghead and the final war. Zoro vs Mihawk being an epiloge fight (the epiloge will absolutely be longer than a chapter) is a reasonable prediction.
Well there was the speculation that Gorosei are Endgame villains which got additonal support with Garling and Holy Knights Introduction. Meaning that since the existance and powers of these guys is unknown, the Worlds Strongest Swordman title was outside of their field. But since Egghead this might not be the case. Originally Nosjuro was estimated to be a final Kitetsu blade user fitting opponent for Zoro after he has taken the WSS title. But with how the story goes Mihawk might still be be Endgame material ( Imu and HK connection) .So who can fill the space between Admirals and Hawkeye. A Giant Competent Swordman.Legendary norse blade ispiration , Haki and All .
I agree that itd be odd for zoro to fight an opponent liffy has already gone up against, but if closest to the sun warcury is the strongest, he could make a good zoro opponent. His tusks turn into blades but he doesnt wield a sword and i think we can say he is not a swordsman a lot easier than that argument for venusjuro. Also, his incredible toughness would be like the final challenge in zoro's journey that began with the desire to cut steel. Lastly... That insane conqueror's haki blast would be a good test for zoro's recently developing CoC.
You could apply the same logic to the match ups with the Blackbeard Pirates. Everyone says "Zoro has to fight Shiryu because he's the swordsman"-but he's also the guy currently using the Devil Fruit Sanji dreamed of eating. And Shiryu may be a swordsman but that doesn't make him on the power level appropriate to Zoro's opponent either just before Mihawk, just after Mihawk, or between Mihawk and his Final War opponent. *Regardless* of the order of the fights.
Most people don't even know the Gorosei exist, so Nasjuro wasn't even considered for World's Strongest. Zoro is still gonna fight Ethan, and I believe "The World's Strongest Swordsman vs Heaven's Strongest Swordsman" goes very hard.
Also, V Nasjuro having a sword doesn’t make him really a swordsman. He’s a demon horse man with a sword. I believe the difference is how you decide to edge out a victory. If V Nasjuro uses his other powers to win a fight aside from swordsmanship and skill with a sword, then he’s out of the swordsman category
have a big theory Joyboy was never a devil fruit eater ,after joyboy death joyboy's will reincarnated in Nica fruite ,and then he see luffy's potential and give tha Nica fruite to Luffy to achieve joyboy's dream/wish
If I had to place a random bet. Leaving Luffy vs Imu. Sanji vs Sakazuki, Sanji kicks a hole through Sakazuki saying he's hotter than magma. Zoro vs Blackbeard, Blackbeard shows he's picked up a 3rd devil fruit power in addition to his darkness fruit proving to still neutralize gear 5. As much as he might want to settle those fights himself, he's always takes on the responsibility of the biggest threat. I think they'll all make it to the final battle, and Luffy will trust those fights to them so he can take out Imu. I wouldn't bet more than a $1.00 on it, but it sounds fun.
it can also be a technicality. like king technically wasnt a swordsman. and while nosjuro seems more “swordsman” type than king - him carrying it doesn’t make him a swordsman
6:50 Zoro becomes “World’s Strongest Swordsmen. Then after beating Nusjuro “Heaven’s Strongest Swordsman” claiming the title “Strongest Swordsman on Heaven and Earth”
Perhaps the thing that allows Zoro to fight Nusjuro while being the strongest swordsman could be that Nusjuro isn't acounted in universe for being the strongest swordsman, since he spends his time in heaven and hasn't probably fought someone for centries. Thus he can't be in consideration as only 5 people actually know his true strength. Zoro could be the strongest swordsman on land while Nusjuro is the strongest in heaven
There is no paradox once you realize there have been many swordsman stronger than Mihawk such as, Roger, Rayleigh, Ryuma. Now we have an old man whose lived for centuries, way before Mihawk was born, surely he must be stronger.
Solid match-up that I feel like is a good chance due to King/Queen, but my theory is still that Mihawks goal was to defeat Shiryu. Although, he wasnt able to hunt him down because Shiryu got himself locked up. Jist of the theory is that Zoro goes on to finish Mihawks actual dream of defeating Shiryu in the final climax fight against Blackbeard (Mihawk -> Gorosei -> Shiryu). Im just convinced that BB takes one up on Imu somehow in the world power scale lol
For some reason I feel like Zoro and Sanji won’t fight the Gorosei nor will the Gorosei be the strongest subordinates of Imu. While I believe that overall the Gorosei to be stronger than the God Knights including Garling I have a theory that the strongest 2 God Knights to be stronger than even Roger, Xebex, WB and Ryuma and right below Imu. I think the strongest God Knigt to be Mihawk, who will be revealed to be a Nerona like Imu but left to find a strong swordsman, circumstances will force him to go back to his family and reinstated as Garling’s successor who will die right before the final war. The other God Knight is Sora the sea warrior who also is a Nerona and will be Sanji’s final opponent
i'm hoping for a group fight as the finale. if it's the gorosei then either luffy fighting imu while the rest of the strawhats fight the five elders as a teams, or just an all out fight with luffy + crew vs imu + gorosei. i'm fine with everyone having their one on ones vs the blackbeard crew, but for the finale it would be great if everyone could contribute towards them reaching their goal.
I know Morj hates this idea but I'm personally team Mihawk vs Zoro as an epilogue. I want each straw hat to have their own section where the story focuses on them realizing their dreams after the story is all said and done. Going in reverse order of when they joined the crew so that the last chapter focuses on Luffy. I also believe that the numbers on the gorosei's pentagrams is their power level. Ju Peter Venusjuro Warcury Mars Saturn I also believe that this is the order in which they had the immortality surgery performed on them and the gaps in their ages comes from the time it took for the fruit to reincarnate and be located.
Great video , but an aerial battle between sanji and mars would be crazy. Also zoro has already fought a flying opponent in king I think Venus would be a great last stepping stone for him before mihawk especially if he can upgrade and take his sword
Not necessarily, just like a UFC fighter becoming a champion, the title is only cemented after defending the belt. For Venusjuro to be a higher challenge it just has to involve more than pure swordsmanship, to not undermine Mihawk's skill (just like Shanks is not a better swordsman but probably a better overall fighter)
You could also just make the argument that Mihawk is still stronger than Venus, but since he has the seemingly endless regeneration, that will be what makes it a more difficult or at least equally difficult fight to Mihawk. He might have to use something he learned in his fight with Mihawl to overcome Venus.
Definitely an interesting perspective on the gorosei ranking another reason it would make since that mars and Venus juro would be the strongest is because they’re the closest but also the like irl these planets are the most like earth too except either too cold with no atmosphere or too heat with heavy atmosphere
I think that Warkuri makes sense as a Zoro opponent because Zoro's opponents were also durability monster (a test of what he can cut) like Mr 1 , Pika and King maybe it would be a 2v2
Another option: not all toe gorosay make it to the end game. Zoro could defeat v. Nusjoro earlier in the story, and there are only 4 gorosay left by the time there is a grand showdown between luffy and imu
Blackbeard gotta be the final villain. Something I see that gets overlooked entirely is the fact that Blackbeard will play a huge role in defeating the government. He’s a D clan member and all of his current known goal is to become king of the world, which may happen before Luffy beats him.
To be fair, I don't think Venus would classify as a pure swordsman in Zoro's eyes because he clearly uses his Demon form (or self) to amplify his swordplay. It would still be an extremely difficult enemy to beat, without it being a challenger to him being the strongest swordsman.
Unfortunately, I do think Oda will go with the route of "no one knew that X was a stronger swordsman than Hawkeye," regardless of who it ends up being.
Zoro fighting Mars also fits thematically with his promise to Kuina; "I'll get so strong my name will reach the heavens" What better way to fulfill this promise than defeating an enemy that soars through the skies and is considered one of the strongest beings in the verse
What? It matches up thematically regardless. When he fights nusjuro he’ll be fighting someone who’s considered to be from heaven. It would make more sense nusjuro is a swordsmen while being the strongest swordsman in heaven
I think it would go like this At the road to laughtale, the straw hats would face the other yonko crews, I believe their first fight would up against cross guild, because kidd face off against shanks, while law took on blackbeard, it would make sense for cross guild the remaining yonko crew to face off against the straw hats and zoro and mihawk would finally have their long awaited battle, after the straw hats find the one piece the real final battle against imu and the world government finally happens and that’s when zoro fights mars
I think Buggy & Shanks’ crew sacrifice themselves to help the Strawhats defeat Blackbeard. And then they get a power up to face Imu/Gorosei at the end.
This would actually remind me of a moment in on of the films, I forget which, but in it Zoro fights someone who primarily kicks where Sanji fights a swordsman, and thy end their fights by saying that their foes were nothing compared to their crewmate. I think it'd just be a nice moment between them to have in canon.
Wouldn’t Zoro fighting Warcury also be fitting considering that he’s seemingly tankier than Kaido? I can’t think of a much greater feat for a swordsman that taking down such a creature. This would keep the original ranking in place, and I think it makes some sense if Luffy is going after Imu.
If this theory is correct, then you would have to argue that Nasjuro isn’t holding the final kitetsu which has been mainstream head canon for a long time
This is just a feeling, but I think Shiryu will be Zoros final opponent. Shiryu can become invisible, will most likely fight very unfair and there's the possibility that he awakens his DF. (Invisible Swords Man with invisible sword(s) sounds scary af imo). That would make Shiryu the most difficult fight for Zoro, because he can't just power through his opponent like he used to do.
That dilemma will solve itself. Sanji fights bird and Zoros win will be taken from him, cause horse guy falls down stairs. Then things come full circle. The following desperation will give zoro the powerup that enables him to save mihawk from the same destiny by carrying him over the final step before they fight.
My headcanon is that Zoro will clash with venusjuro or whoever the final battle opponent for him for a bit, and then mihawk will kill that opponent and make Zoro fight him instead. That’d be badass as fuck
Hot take: I don't believe that Zoro vs Mihawk is going to be a fight with high stakes. I understand their fight as a gentlemen's duel they execute when they have the time for it, after the big bad was defeated. They might even join forces in the final stretch of the story. Zoro becoming the world's best swordman is equated with Nami drawing a map of the world, or Sanji finding the All Blue - those might very well be something that we only briefly see in the epilogue with a few panels, maybe a page for each of the Straw Hats.
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What if Zorro fights the leader of God Knights (the father or grandfather of Shanks) , the only way to surpass Mihawk is to overpower the Other version of Shanks
Good theory is for who Zoro and Sanji will fight, but at the end of the day, nothing is set in stone.
What about us finally getting a tag team match with Zoro and Sanji against Mars and Venus?
Does it only work within USA?
"Compared to his, your sword is just a piece of crap" - Sanji
"There's a man in this world who kicks with more power than you'd ever be able to" - Zoro
Sanji hit the guy once and Morj tells tekking to hold his beer.
wait did tekking say some too?
Yeah, it's exactly like what people used to say about King and Queen 😂
LoL
Lol, it feels like Wano again with the whole Sanji vs. King thing.
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If this happens then Sanji fans will forever claim that Sanji beat the strongest Swordsman.
Ooh I really want this to happen now that sounds so funny
Then the rivalry between zoro and sanji will never end
but hes not lol dont even have a blackblade
What else is new? Just adding to the delusion.
I thought world strongest swordsman was Mihawk,my bad
How do you rule out a perfectly good explanation to this whole “dilemma” because “Mihawk fans wouldn’t be happy with either of those cases” Lmao
This whole video is steeped in western powerscaling discussion logic, rather than hints we see in the actual story. Narratively, there's no guarantee that Mihawk is stronger than Figarland Garling.
Western? Is there an eastern school of power scaling?
Yes there is@@Alquasar and it ain't any better.
@@suryanshbiswas how is it any different?
@@flabermaber2239 idk man japaneese fans just seem to take feats from the anime way too seriously which causes lots of weird scalings.
The raid will fail.
not funny didn’t laugh
You have to let go.
Dumbo
Your mother will love you.
Bro, please move on.
I think this is a case of overthinking. Oda made one Gorosei a swordsman specifically for Zoro, and the fact it's difficult to predict how it will play out is deliberate because Oda is hiding an X-Factor that will make everything fall into place.
Also the fact that they haven't seen each other adds to the suspense for when it does happen, them seeing each other right now maybe considered too early
The same thing happened during the raid. Sanji and King had a little scuffle once and people automativally thought he was gonna be Sanjis opponent even though since chapter 1 Zoro fought the 1st mate of every crew.
I mean.... Zoro has to figure out how to defeat someone who has been able to heal from any wound... That's already a big X-Factor
Man y’all are gonna be so mad when the final villains are the Blackbeard Pirates
I feel like the Blackbeard Pirates will be the real final villains. But they won’t be fighting the SH at their best because if they are really cunning, they will ambush them after the SH fight Imu and his buddies. This will also offset the difference in power the SH have over the blackbeard
Man yall are gonna be so mad when Gaimon one shots Blackbeard and Van Augur gets cooked by Don Sai and then Imu hits the griddy and dies
@@davidv1341 the Straw Hats don’t come across as that stronger to me
@@Synnamon27Shiruy the current 3rd strongest of the Blackbeard pirates was one shot by old Garp. This guy is not final Zoro opponent material
@@debater452 one shot how? Shiryu wasn’t KO’d or incapacitated by the hit. He literally laughs at Garp after Garp lands the hit. Pizarro got hit by an ACoC punch head on, and it didn’t even do enough damage to stun him. He straight up attacks the ship immediately
Haven't watch the whole vid yet but i'm gonna assume zoro will fight mihawk prior the final war arc and become the "world's" greatest swordsman. from that point, i think Oda and the lore of OP makes it clear that the celestial dragons see themselves as a higher entity and aren't involved or included in the OP "world." So imo, I feel like that's the narrative moving forward for Zoro's final fight in which he's fighting a "celestial" version of the greatest swordsman (celestial in the context of "out of this world" or "heaven")
Yeah this may be a Jack the drought situation. We might learn that the Gorosei are actually weak compared to the God's Knights for whatever reason. And as you pointed out, I doubt that Mihawk went around challenging Celestial Dragons. His title is only as the strongest swordsman in the lower realms.
Plus, there's the fact that the dude has an Awakened Mythical Zoan at minimum. Zoro is still gonna have a tough time.
People can meme on your theories but they're typically the most unique ones i find.
zoro should fight Venus (nasujuro) - kitetsu, potential ryuma lore, ice vs. hellfire , etc. he already fought a mythical zoan flying opponent (King)
sanji should fight Mars - can fly for sky battle, mythical bird like Judge (Garuda)
He acknowledged this in the video lol
Dude probably commented without even watching the video lmao
Well, at the very *end* of the vid morj says lmk who you think sanji and zoro will fight.. best voice and awesome c.creator vinlan d did just that.
@@jointjutsukonan3074 he’s a narc
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I don't think Oda would be so disrespectful to Sanji as to have his final opponent be weaker than Zoro's previous one.
Yes he would
@@TM-NTM no he wouldnt be zorotard
That's the only thing that threw me off in the video. I'm fine with Zoro getting a stronger opponent than Sanji, but for Sanji's biggest and most testing battle to be someone that Zoro by that point would probably be mid diff or low diff? I really doubt
It's probably gonna happen, when strawhats fight blackbeard pirates and sanji doesn't fight aokiji or shiryu he will fight a weaker opponent than king (zoro's previous opponent)
I feel like Oda could also write Venus (Nusjuro. . .) as the one to defeat Mihawk if there's a huge encounter on Laugh Tale. Seems like the story is written into a corner, but the out that Morj had earlier was Venus is stronger than Mihawk but not as a swordsman.
I personally don't mind if the villains have a power boost near the end so they'll feel more threatening without having the Mihawk ranking ruined. Think Saturn using something to do a power boost, or potentially a Blackbeard and Imu alliance and BB using something to power up everyone else in the alliance.
Also wouldn't put it past Oda to do a Imu and Blackbeard fusion.
Main issue I have with the Blackbeard pirates is how weak they are compared to Rock's crew. We went from a crew of like six conqueror's to a crew without any (beyond Aokiji), feel like BB teaming up with the Gorosei works but I really don't want it to be done poorly.
BB would become "king of the world" if they fused too but I don't know if Oda would do something that crazy, even if the more I think of it the more BB's powers seem to be intentionally structured in that direction.
i’m surprised you haven’t spoke about latest color spread with Zoro and Sanji’s potential matchup foreshadowing.
Chessboard, Zoro and Sanji as fully equipped knights. Zoro with a bird on his shield and Sanji with a horse on his.
Dawg I've been thinking about these matchups for a minute I'm so happy you made a video theorizing this. It makes a ton of sense.
Flaw with morj theory is this, throughout the story all zoro major opponents have been swordman. To have his final fight be a non swordman would make no sense for the consistency of the story. Also its not about making the fans happy, its about what make sense for the story. Also sanji had a brief fight with king but that wasnt his final opponent in wano. Best case scenario is mihawk is the strongest below and the real strongest is in heaven
Especially since Nusjuro probably has the shodai kitetsu
Mr 1 technically isn't a Swordsman, Pika wasn't a Swordsman, and King wasn't strictly a Swordsman
Pica wasn't a swordsman
@@velvetsnopica wasnt a major fight though. Zoro first major fight in new world was king. All his other fights was one sided in his favor
@@ReiseLukas All still used swords or blades in someway
Usopp and Nami vs Jupiter
Nah Ussop will already be dead
@@spunkymonkey5102 No, Jupiter will not survive against God D. Usopp
Hell nah
*Imu (Jupiter would be fodder for them)
@@spunkymonkey5102Cap! Ussop will be the 5th strongest member at the end
Technically, they’ve switched matchups before. Back at ennies lobby, Oda was thinking about doing Sanji vs Kaku and Zoro vs Jabra
Sanji should have learned Rankyaku when Zoro learned fire sword style to parallel.
Who would he learn it from? Zoro was with Kinemon for multiple days
@@winterbeast6326 Plot. Just like Law and Kidd got awakenings but the 2 emperors who ruled the sea before those kiddos were born didn't.
@winterbeast6326 luffy learned soru by watching cp9 and sanji already learned sky walk from newkamas
@@julio7580 He didn't learn Soru he used Gear 2 to be fast enough to do a similar move. Yeah, it took Sanji two years to get that and it was because he kept running non stop
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Hm... Have you thought about why they do have it and neither Big Mom or Kaido do? It's narratively interesting. What makes Sanji getting Rankyaku narratively interesting? Cause as I said he didn't learn it like Zoro did, it makes no sense for him to develop it in Wano
I don't see why Mihawk has to be fought before the final war. It'd be cool to see Zoro meeting Mihawk on an abandoned island to finally settle it and achieve his dream.
I don't see every straw hat fulfilling their dreams together. In fact, I think most of their dreams are only achievable by taking down the WG and destroying the Redline/Reverse Mountain.
That being said, it makes sense for Zoro to fight the strongest planet, going by the solar system model in strength.
cause it would be anticlimactic for the last fight of the series to be zoro vs mihawk
Morj made videos on that. That Zoro vs Mihawk being a post story thing is anti climactic.
@@audaciousjones I disagree Mihawk was in east blue not only to zoro but to readers/watchers a taste of what the one piece world is actually like. To such a point it shaped Zoro, before Mihawk Zoro was fun and wasn't taking everything serious his fight with Mihawk caused him to look the world in the face and is also why he became more stoic he also made it clear to luffy that they aren't playing pirate he did that because he knew what the world actually had and luffy was still not taking things seriously. It's subtle but Mihawk was the defining moment for Zoro as a character along with him willingly giving up his dream to save luffy when "nothing happened" One piece has always had really subtle changes in characters from specific moments that go on to impact how they act and are in the rest of the story, look at usopp who is a brave cowards but he is that way because he idolizes to be like the giants. It's extremely prevalent in the East blue crew members
I don't mind it being after the series since I don't particularly care for it. But it's most likely going to be before the final war for 4 reasons.
1. This is Luffy's story so his dream is probably the biggest and hardest to achieve. So it's most likely going to be the last 1 achieved.
2. The strawhats will help luffy achieve his dream like they'll help him become PK. Luffy will play a hand in helping them achieve their dreams and in return, they'll all help him achieve his.
3. Luffy said anything less than WSS will make him look bad. So he will have the title by the time Luffy becomes PK. They could make a situation of Zoro saying the WSS being subordinate to anyone other than the PK will make him look bad
4. Zoro said he wanted to be so good that even heaven will hear of his great name. So he'll probably achieve his dream than walk in marejois and be acknowledged by heaven as the WSS, similar to how everyone had heard of him as the pirate hunter in the east blue
@@john-olivierlukama1548 If you look at certain straw hats' dreams, ones like Jinbei's, Nami's, Sanji's and Brook's are impossible without Luffy first achieving his destiny.
Although, that being said, Luffy did hint to him having "an actual dream", not just becoming king of the pirates, so who knows?
How many times do we gotta teach you this lesson old man!!
Why would the title "world's greatest swordsman" include either the gorosei or the holy knights?
They aren't known by the rest of the world
The warlords were literally meeting in the holy land and even regular marines know them. It would be strange if Mihawk went to their and yet has never seen Garling, the other holy knights or the Gorosei?
@@shiki9856 maybe he knows the gorosei, but why would he know the holy knights. Especially since Garling played a role at God Valley, which the WG wants forgotten. The WG doesn't gain anything from telling the warlords about the Holy knights. In fact, it would be a huge risk to tell them, especially to people like Boa, Jinbe, Kuma, Doffy etc...
@@shiki9856 WSS title was most likely given by Morgans to sell newspapers. It only holds value because of how it's perceived. The same way Buggy is called an Emperor in name.
@@hannibal5158 thank you sir, I can carry out my Mihawk is a fraud agenda, I appreciate ur service here
@@user-br3fk8dx8o i aint saying he is a fraud. All I’m saying is he might not necessarily be the strongest. Luffy was called a 5th yonko before reaching yonko level, WB was called the world strongest man even at his age with chars like shanks and mihawk around. It’s just people need to understand titles mean nothing without shown feats.
Wasnt there a Zoro movie where they both fought opposite opponents and said if they lost it would be a disrespect to one another?
@6:14 I'm not saying I disagree with the entire point of the video but speaking for myself as a Zoro fan that's exactly what I'd like to see. I would love for after Zoro gets over the final hurdle EVERYONE except Luffy and a few others to be below Zoro. To me it would be underwhelming if immediately after he got the title he went on to struggle against his next opponent. He should be able to bask in the honor and prestige of being the WSS. I want him to be OP. If you don't think that's good storytelling or lame then he could easily fight multiple people at time or run a gauntlet kind of like Kaido. I'm not sure how the final battle is going to take place but if it really is a war then the chances of Zoro just fighting one opponent to begin with is already low. So just make him so strong he fights everyone at once lol. This isn't how it has to be but again as a Zoro fan I wouldn't mind it.
He Gonna switch up again after 1117 😂
The planet alignment theory still works because if we assume Imu (the #1) is Luffy's final opponent, then it would make Warcury the #2 (for Zoro) and V. Nusjuro the #3 (for Sanji)
One reason why I believe this is that it makes sense based on who Sanji and Zoro fight the most.. each other. All those fights on the ship were perfect training
ah another sanji vs king and zoro vs queen🤣
this has nothing to do with your comment, but chopper > jinbei. if you don't agree, you're a fool
The Mihawk dilemma is easily solved by the Gorosei being relatively unknown in terms of power or by them being demons of Imu.
I don't personally think that Oda will switch it for the final fight as it is meant to be a sort of culmination of everything that has come before.
The upcoming Zoro Novel will hopefully add a few more hints on Zoro Final opponents, Mihawk being a holy Knight in the final War could be another twist.
Zoro novel?? What's that???
Zoro novel won't add shit, the novels are not canon. The manga is the only reliable source of information, those novels are garbage fanfictions written by random people and Oda just gives them the OK as long as they don't write something too wild
@@MarcoDToonQuick question, does Shanks has observation haki killing?
@@MarcoDToonOda said he will heavily influence whatever goes in that novel, so it is cannon. And it’s just detailing Zoros adventures before meeting luffy
@@MarcoDToon it will be canon
I agree 100%. I would also mention how Zoro was learning to "cut" fire with Kinemon, and Mars seem to have fire abilities himself, like that "flamethrower".
Venusjuro on the other hand has certain ties to ice, that contrast well against Sanji's fire and "healing factor".
It's like Oda is purposefully picking fights with opposing abilities in mind and if that's the case, maybe Robin will fight Saturn. Not only they have a beef, but their abilities work great against each other. Robin can project her body thanks to her DF, however upon touching Saturn, she would get poisoned. She would have to then, utilize Fishman's Karate to avoid touching him. Also, to avoid his paralyzing glare, she'd have to evade him by creating body doubles. Such fight would be nuts!!!
I think Mihawk needs a power-scale fight as well
Could that be? An actual Hypothetical in a Morj video title?
Damn he's actually learning.
I can imagine Zoro not getting a crack at Nasjuro would be disappointing too, but i could see an Eines lobby sort of opponent swap situation happening to rectify things.
Zoro overpowers Nasjuro, but Nasjuro leaves too quick for Zoro to keep up to pick off the weaker crewmates. Sanji himself is struggling against Mars’s overwhelming power, making him be more of a man jumping in to rescue his friends over take down the enemy.
In this, both have to begrudgingly recognize the other’s obvious advantage, and agree to swap their targets to best deal with the serious threat at hand.
I'm not sure why we're still stuck on the idea that Mihawk is the strongest combatant with a sword. Kaido was supposed to be the strongest creature, well he's done with and now we're seeing Warcury pull off crazier stuff than Kaido ever could. Who's to say Nusjuro isn't a tougher fight than Mihawk? The Elders have there own unique powerset, and clearly aren't considered when they come up with these titles.
Kaido was literally defeated by a god… LMFAO . No one else was able to defeat him. Why is his titled being questioned because he lost to a GOD??
@@Sociallybeast01 Its very telling that you have to remove all the context from that statement to make it sound impressive. A more accurate and descriptive way to put it would be: "Kaido was literally defeated by a rubber-hose cartoon character."
Warcry tanked an attack from Luffy…and?
Doesn’t mean he is stronger than Kaido
@@aceclover758 He not only tanked an attack that flattenrd Kaido, but he's also shown the strongest Conqueror's Haki feat in the series. Remembering stuff is hard though, buddy. Don't beat yourself up too bad over it. I wanted to like Kaido too.
@@Sociallybeast01You will look so stupid when you realize nika was never an actual god ☠️
I doubt the Gorosei are actually the final opponents like everyone seems to assume. When has Oda ever shown us so much of a villain group, when they're meant to be defeated 2, 3, maybe even 4 arcs down the line? Imagine if we had already seen all the top Beast Pirates and their powers at the end of Dress Rosa. How on earth would you be able to set up any sort of dramatic arc for Wano in that case?
For this specific incarnation of the Gorosei at least, I'm willing to bet they're either all defeated this arc or won't play a major role in the final battle.
Nah Sanji and Zoro are just getting a quick clash with the others final opponent
I think another important part of the Zoro matchup is that similar to how fans wanted Sanji to fight kizaru they also wanted Zoro to fight Kaido. Mars’ body type and ability to transform as a Zoan makes him a similar consolation prize to those who were disappointed that we didn’t get that matchup.
Way i look at it is luffy dream is going to be the last one to come true. Meaning after imu is defeated he gets his dream. Zoro final opponent is either gorosei or mihawk at the final war. However it does make more sense for everyone dream to come true at laughtale before luffy’s dream. one thing oda could do is mihawk is the strongest on earth or down below. The strongest swordman could easily be on mary geoise which doesnt apply mihawk
Nami's will probably be the last. With world floods on the horizon Nami will need to draw a world map when it's all over. So much will have changed
I think that Chopper wants to create a cure to all diseases (how 0_o) so that might be as difficult as Namis goal if not more.
On another note is that I havent heard this from anyone yet but the potential flooding of the world might create the All-Blue for Sanji to discover.
Isn't one of the reasons fans give for why there isn't a stronger swordsman than Miwak that it'll be disappointing if Zoro was in ignorance thinking he's the Strongest Swordsman by defeating Mihawk when there exists a stronger swordsman.
Personally, Venus being a stronger swordsman than Mihawk but Zoro just won't fight him so he still became the strongest swordsman by defeating Mihawk will be disappointing if it happens.
Zoro also seems to not care if the opponent themselves don't call themselves swordsmen, if the opponent has a blade that's all that seems to matter.
Not exactly the title of strongest swordsman is given to a swordsman someone who's devoted their life to mastering the sword and has taken the title, Mihawk is titled strongest swordsman because that's what he is, zoro doesn't care what someone calls themselves because it's irrelevant and would feel weird if zoro only fought to go "you a swordsman?" his duty is to protect his captain and see that his dream comes to true Zoro still cares about his but his priority is luffy he's been shown willing to give up his dream if it means his captain can reach his.
But he also desires to be the greatest swordsman not only for his childhood promise but for his captain because the pirate king should have no less on his crew. To get the title of strongest swordsman you'd have to kill whoever holds the title it's irrelevant if they actually are or not it's about the title and passing it down through winning it someone who is a swordsman but doesn't pursue the title isn't in the same realm as Mihawk and Zoro titles have been shown to hold little meaning and are more a status symbol in the world of one piece they don't need to be true roger may have been king of the pirates but he didn't get to rule over them he just made it to the end of the grandline the celestial dragons assume themselves to be gods but it's not true
@@MyNamesHunter75Lol, being the PK doesn't mean you rule over pirates, it just means you achieved what no other pirate was able to (i.e. find the one piece).
@@MyNamesHunter75Zoro said that he’ll be the strongest swordsman in history no way he’s going to have a fraudulent title by the end of the story. Mihawk was called the strongest swordsman in name and reality, so it isn’t just a status symbol
I mean it's like beating Lance in red and blue and him saying there's a new champion since Blue just won.
Idk King had a blade Zoro said himself that he assumed he was a swordsman but he wasn't so it does matter
Makes little sense if dude has a sword that's like 1/5 of his combat style 😂
I agree since Sanji's attacks are mostly based on the Ground Aspect, specifically his Diablo Jambe series while some of Zoro's attacks, specifically his signature Aerial attack, Pound Phoenix, is aerial slice or wind slash, thus the Sky Aspect
There’s some cool ideas about this theory. Like the idea that Venus is the God of Love and Mars is the God of War. As well as the idea that the power would be who’s closest to Earth.
Still issues though. Such as, why is Warcury always displayed as the top man? Why is his name Topman?
Why about Mercury, the Messenger God? Jupiter, the God of Thunder? Saturn, the God of Time?
Also, they also have their own God titles in the series. Perhaps there is something to it, but there also are flaws, other things to think about.
Perhaps, Zoro and Sanji will team up to fight Venus and Mars. A bit of a crazy though, but hmmm
Luffy will fight the World Goverment as the Pirate King and Zoro as the World's Greatest Swordsman.
Luffy vs Blackbeard and Zoro vs Mihawk will be prior at Laugtale. There, Luffy will surpass Roger and Zoro will surpass Mihawk.
Next, is something far bigger than finding the One Piece. Freeing the world. In the final war, Luffy will defeat Imu and surpass Joyboy (history's greatest liberator) and Zoro will defeat V. Nusjuro and surpass Ryuma (history's greatest swordsman). I suspect it will also be revealed that Ryuma fought the World Goverment and died to Venus.
To me it's clear as day. What I can't fit is Akainu, Shiryu and the Admirals. The marines' fights are solvable if in order to reach Marijoa they need to conquer Marine"s HQ and they rest/regroup there to attack Marijoa in a few days. But when is Zoro fighting Shiryu? Maybe he mid diffs him in Laugh Tale before fighting Mihawk. lol If we go by his invisibility fruit, his fight is going to be more gimmicky than pure skills.
You’re already wrong at the beginning because the author stated twice the series ends after the One Piece is found
I don't think Oda would introduce Mihawk so early in the series to make him the penultimate fight. He's literally Zoro's reason to live. I think the final battles will be:
Luffy vs Blackbeard
Zoro vs Mihawk(I think Blackbeard pirates and cross guild will combine forces)
Sanji vs Kuzan(Fire vs Ice)
While the rest of the strawhats will take on the Blackbeard fodder as none of them are that strong
Many people don't consider that the "final fight" and the "fight with the highest stakes" aren't always the same thing. Epilogue fights are a thing.
The Zoro fight with the highest stakes might be either Shiryu, Figarland Garling, Venus or Mars. But after the Blackbeard pirates and the World Government have fallen Zoro vs Mihawk could well be the epilogue fight.
For Luffy, the fight with Blackbeard or Imu will likely be the fight with the highest stakes but his final fight could be in the epilogue against Coby.
Using an already existing example in Naruto Shippuden; Naruto's highest stakes fight was against Kaguya but his actual final fight was against Sasuke.
@@DolchiO07so you telling me that Zoro and Mihawk will fight for fun? I don't think so
Indeed, I don't see Shiryu on Zoro's level at this point. We could in fact get strawhats and red hair as a team, especially if Blackbeard can get an ancient weapon.
@@sunflowersofinferno7904 I mean they basically did that back in East Blue, Mihawk had some time to kill so he humored Zoro, he then saw how dedicated Zoro was and respected him for it, Mihawk and Zoro have no real bad blood, Mihawk is kinda Zoro's mentor it would be a fight of respect and would be fun for both of them. Mihawk is bored af all the time, and only really has fun when facing someone who is equally unique
Multible SH members have yet to achieve their dreams. Some of them are at this point still very far out of reach (Chopper finding cures to all diseases 0_o) ), so that it would most likely not be possible to reach them between Egghead and the final war. Zoro vs Mihawk being an epiloge fight (the epiloge will absolutely be longer than a chapter) is a reasonable prediction.
Well there was the speculation that Gorosei are Endgame villains which got additonal support with Garling and Holy Knights Introduction. Meaning that since the existance and powers of these guys is unknown, the Worlds Strongest Swordman title was outside of their field. But since Egghead this might not be the case. Originally Nosjuro was estimated to be a final Kitetsu blade user fitting opponent for Zoro after he has taken the WSS title. But with how the story goes Mihawk might still be be Endgame material ( Imu and HK connection) .So who can fill the space between Admirals and Hawkeye. A Giant Competent Swordman.Legendary norse blade ispiration , Haki and All .
One thing that would seal the deal: If the V. In V. Nusjuro stands for Vinsmoke.
The v stands for Venus😂
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23no bro Its V.nus juro ...it sounds like venus
@@095-tayordarang2 And you think the v stands for vinsmoke?💀
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23 never said that
I agree that itd be odd for zoro to fight an opponent liffy has already gone up against, but if closest to the sun warcury is the strongest, he could make a good zoro opponent. His tusks turn into blades but he doesnt wield a sword and i think we can say he is not a swordsman a lot easier than that argument for venusjuro. Also, his incredible toughness would be like the final challenge in zoro's journey that began with the desire to cut steel. Lastly... That insane conqueror's haki blast would be a good test for zoro's recently developing CoC.
You could apply the same logic to the match ups with the Blackbeard Pirates. Everyone says "Zoro has to fight Shiryu because he's the swordsman"-but he's also the guy currently using the Devil Fruit Sanji dreamed of eating. And Shiryu may be a swordsman but that doesn't make him on the power level appropriate to Zoro's opponent either just before Mihawk, just after Mihawk, or between Mihawk and his Final War opponent. *Regardless* of the order of the fights.
Most people don't even know the Gorosei exist, so Nasjuro wasn't even considered for World's Strongest. Zoro is still gonna fight Ethan, and I believe "The World's Strongest Swordsman vs Heaven's Strongest Swordsman" goes very hard.
Morj, this has been forshadowed by Oda sensei in ch387 and ch699 cover pages. You're on the spot here
Also, V Nasjuro having a sword doesn’t make him really a swordsman. He’s a demon horse man with a sword. I believe the difference is how you decide to edge out a victory. If V Nasjuro uses his other powers to win a fight aside from swordsmanship and skill with a sword, then he’s out of the swordsman category
Counter argument, Mihawk dies off screen in an Elvis type incident (pooped too hard and died)
have a big theory Joyboy was never a devil fruit eater ,after joyboy death joyboy's will reincarnated in Nica fruite ,and then he see luffy's potential and give tha Nica fruite to Luffy to achieve joyboy's dream/wish
I meen joyboy was born with that power and after he died the power reincarnated into nika fruite
If I had to place a random bet. Leaving Luffy vs Imu. Sanji vs Sakazuki, Sanji kicks a hole through Sakazuki saying he's hotter than magma. Zoro vs Blackbeard, Blackbeard shows he's picked up a 3rd devil fruit power in addition to his darkness fruit proving to still neutralize gear 5. As much as he might want to settle those fights himself, he's always takes on the responsibility of the biggest threat. I think they'll all make it to the final battle, and Luffy will trust those fights to them so he can take out Imu.
I wouldn't bet more than a $1.00 on it, but it sounds fun.
it can also be a technicality. like king technically wasnt a swordsman. and while nosjuro seems more “swordsman” type than king - him carrying it doesn’t make him a swordsman
Remember when kaido was called strongest beast and now elders showed up
6:50 Zoro becomes “World’s Strongest Swordsmen. Then after beating Nusjuro “Heaven’s Strongest Swordsman” claiming the title “Strongest Swordsman on Heaven and Earth”
Zoro only fights people with swords, it’s a whole thing
It works perfectly. Zoro and Sanji will have to win using what they’ve learned from each other.
Perhaps the thing that allows Zoro to fight Nusjuro while being the strongest swordsman could be that Nusjuro isn't acounted in universe for being the strongest swordsman, since he spends his time in heaven and hasn't probably fought someone for centries. Thus he can't be in consideration as only 5 people actually know his true strength. Zoro could be the strongest swordsman on land while Nusjuro is the strongest in heaven
It has been adressed but with a very weak rebuttal imp
venus is weak cause he pinned by giants
@@audaciousjones Wait so because he was grapped by two members of the physically most powerfull race while off guard that means he is weak
@debater452 those are the same giants that got low diffed by paulie and the franky family
@@audaciousjones Characters apperantly can't become more powerfull
There is no paradox once you realize there have been many swordsman stronger than Mihawk such as, Roger, Rayleigh, Ryuma.
Now we have an old man whose lived for centuries, way before Mihawk was born, surely he must be stronger.
Solid match-up that I feel like is a good chance due to King/Queen, but my theory is still that Mihawks goal was to defeat Shiryu. Although, he wasnt able to hunt him down because Shiryu got himself locked up.
Jist of the theory is that Zoro goes on to finish Mihawks actual dream of defeating Shiryu in the final climax fight against Blackbeard (Mihawk -> Gorosei -> Shiryu).
Im just convinced that BB takes one up on Imu somehow in the world power scale lol
For some reason I feel like Zoro and Sanji won’t fight the Gorosei nor will the Gorosei be the strongest subordinates of Imu.
While I believe that overall the Gorosei to be stronger than the God Knights including Garling
I have a theory that the strongest 2 God Knights to be stronger than even Roger, Xebex, WB and Ryuma and right below Imu.
I think the strongest God Knigt to be Mihawk, who will be revealed to be a Nerona like Imu but left to find a strong swordsman, circumstances will force him to go back to his family and reinstated as Garling’s successor who will die right before the final war. The other God Knight is Sora the sea warrior who also is a Nerona and will be Sanji’s final opponent
Very cool that you put chapters in your videos but don't put a specific chapter for the ads, not giving us a button to skip the ad automatically.
i'm hoping for a group fight as the finale. if it's the gorosei then either luffy fighting imu while the rest of the strawhats fight the five elders as a teams, or just an all out fight with luffy + crew vs imu + gorosei. i'm fine with everyone having their one on ones vs the blackbeard crew, but for the finale it would be great if everyone could contribute towards them reaching their goal.
I know Morj hates this idea but I'm personally team Mihawk vs Zoro as an epilogue. I want each straw hat to have their own section where the story focuses on them realizing their dreams after the story is all said and done. Going in reverse order of when they joined the crew so that the last chapter focuses on Luffy.
I also believe that the numbers on the gorosei's pentagrams is their power level.
Ju Peter
Venusjuro
Warcury
Mars
Saturn
I also believe that this is the order in which they had the immortality surgery performed on them and the gaps in their ages comes from the time it took for the fruit to reincarnate and be located.
Great video , but an aerial battle between sanji and mars would be crazy. Also zoro has already fought a flying opponent in king I think Venus would be a great last stepping stone for him before mihawk especially if he can upgrade and take his sword
I actually like this a lot. Sanji’s armor combined with haki would be a good counter for a sword as we saw with his fight with Queen
Heaven’s Strongest Swordsmen sounds Raw asf
Not necessarily, just like a UFC fighter becoming a champion, the title is only cemented after defending the belt. For Venusjuro to be a higher challenge it just has to involve more than pure swordsmanship, to not undermine Mihawk's skill (just like Shanks is not a better swordsman but probably a better overall fighter)
Mihawk eyes ~ IMU eyes
You could also just make the argument that Mihawk is still stronger than Venus, but since he has the seemingly endless regeneration, that will be what makes it a more difficult or at least equally difficult fight to Mihawk. He might have to use something he learned in his fight with Mihawl to overcome Venus.
Definitely an interesting perspective on the gorosei ranking another reason it would make since that mars and Venus juro would be the strongest is because they’re the closest but also the like irl these planets are the most like earth too except either too cold with no atmosphere or too heat with heavy atmosphere
Mihawk vs. "Prime Rayleigh": who ya got?! GO!
I think that Warkuri makes sense as a Zoro opponent because Zoro's opponents were also durability monster (a test of what he can cut) like Mr 1 , Pika and King maybe it would be a 2v2
Another option: not all toe gorosay make it to the end game. Zoro could defeat v. Nusjoro earlier in the story, and there are only 4 gorosay left by the time there is a grand showdown between luffy and imu
"What i call is mIkHaWk dILeMa"
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King attacked Sanji .. King is Sanji opponent. Sanji attacked Page 1 . ,, page 1 is Sanji opponent
Blackbeard gotta be the final villain. Something I see that gets overlooked entirely is the fact that Blackbeard will play a huge role in defeating the government. He’s a D clan member and all of his current known goal is to become king of the world, which may happen before Luffy beats him.
To be fair, I don't think Venus would classify as a pure swordsman in Zoro's eyes because he clearly uses his Demon form (or self) to amplify his swordplay. It would still be an extremely difficult enemy to beat, without it being a challenger to him being the strongest swordsman.
Unfortunately, I do think Oda will go with the route of "no one knew that X was a stronger swordsman than Hawkeye," regardless of who it ends up being.
Zoro fighting Mars also fits thematically with his promise to Kuina; "I'll get so strong my name will reach the heavens" What better way to fulfill this promise than defeating an enemy that soars through the skies and is considered one of the strongest beings in the verse
What? It matches up thematically regardless. When he fights nusjuro he’ll be fighting someone who’s considered to be from heaven. It would make more sense nusjuro is a swordsmen while being the strongest swordsman in heaven
One thing you aren't considering is the fact that V Nusjuro probably has the Shodai Kitetsu
Lmfao morj just used Zoros name in the title as he knows he’ll get more views
It's the main idea of the video what are u talking about haha
@@electroflames Sanji is talked about as equally in the video
@Obs1986 he doesn't even mention Sanji for the first 10 mins of the video lol.
@@electroflames cope
@Obs1986 what's that even mean? Can you say it in a sentence? I just meant Sanji isn't the main topic, and the main topic is about Zoro and Swordsman.
This entire thing can be resolved if we just consider the idea Blackbeard is the final villain
I think it would go like this
At the road to laughtale, the straw hats would face the other yonko crews, I believe their first fight would up against cross guild, because kidd face off against shanks, while law took on blackbeard, it would make sense for cross guild the remaining yonko crew to face off against the straw hats and zoro and mihawk would finally have their long awaited battle, after the straw hats find the one piece the real final battle against imu and the world government finally happens and that’s when zoro fights mars
I always figured Zoro would get the chance to defend his title as the strongest before the end.
I think Buggy & Shanks’ crew sacrifice themselves to help the Strawhats defeat Blackbeard. And then they get a power up to face Imu/Gorosei at the end.
This would actually remind me of a moment in on of the films, I forget which, but in it Zoro fights someone who primarily kicks where Sanji fights a swordsman, and thy end their fights by saying that their foes were nothing compared to their crewmate. I think it'd just be a nice moment between them to have in canon.
I want Mihawk to fight Venus-juro. That would ratify him as the strongest swordsman.
Wouldn’t Zoro fighting Warcury also be fitting considering that he’s seemingly tankier than Kaido? I can’t think of a much greater feat for a swordsman that taking down such a creature. This would keep the original ranking in place, and I think it makes some sense if Luffy is going after Imu.
Mars is technically closer to earth than Venus in our solar system so it would make sense if he’s the strongest
If this theory is correct, then you would have to argue that Nasjuro isn’t holding the final kitetsu which has been mainstream head canon for a long time
This is just a feeling, but I think Shiryu will be Zoros final opponent. Shiryu can become invisible, will most likely fight very unfair and there's the possibility that he awakens his DF. (Invisible Swords Man with invisible sword(s) sounds scary af imo). That would make Shiryu the most difficult fight for Zoro, because he can't just power through his opponent like he used to do.
Im glad Morj took up yoga because this is a stretch.
That dilemma will solve itself. Sanji fights bird and Zoros win will be taken from him, cause horse guy falls down stairs. Then things come full circle. The following desperation will give zoro the powerup that enables him to save mihawk from the same destiny by carrying him over the final step before they fight.
My headcanon is that Zoro will clash with venusjuro or whoever the final battle opponent for him for a bit, and then mihawk will kill that opponent and make Zoro fight him instead. That’d be badass as fuck
Dude great point about God of War and Love. That fits so well imo
The more we get now with the gorossei the more I’m starting to believe that black beard will be the final boss and not imu.
Hot take: I don't believe that Zoro vs Mihawk is going to be a fight with high stakes. I understand their fight as a gentlemen's duel they execute when they have the time for it, after the big bad was defeated. They might even join forces in the final stretch of the story. Zoro becoming the world's best swordman is equated with Nami drawing a map of the world, or Sanji finding the All Blue - those might very well be something that we only briefly see in the epilogue with a few panels, maybe a page for each of the Straw Hats.