thank you for the education! I'm currently in school for my precision mechanic Bachelor professional (German Meister) and my class (3 people) decided that the approach of standardizing tooling on each machine so we can work on all machines without any problems is the way to go! we even tested the surface finishes and capability of the tools so we know how to build our final piece perfectly to spec
That is some good toolpathing. During my time at Cincinnati I got to see the DARPA funded linear motor axis & 40,000RPM spindle run. .125 depth of cut @ 2000ipm, .010" wall thickness. It took them 20 minutes to get the hydrodynamic spindle warmed up to run at cutting speed. What was determined is there is virtually no limit to RPM/SFPM as long as chip load is .007" per flute in Aluminum. Crazy fast. The .010" ribs never flexed as the cutter was already gone by the time the material reacted. The challenge was dealing with accel/decel to avoid weird harmonics. Cool stuff guys!
I've been in a tool and die maker position for 8 &1/2 years, my coworkers at the factory I'm with still think I'm crazy when I put our machines at some of the feeds and speeds you recommend. Slowly bringing the old-school to the modern age 🤙
I stood in front of that machine yesterday with Titan and Barry. MONSTER machine and a perfect fit for Titan and his team. It was also a pleasure working with Donnie on the Tornos GT32.
Titan, My first job was when I was a junior in high school in 1969. I worked as a detail draftsman for a machine design company. The company designed the machines used to mass produce finished parts for the automotive industry. The machines were designed so that a raw casting was loaded at one end of the machine and a finished part came out the other. The machines were for engine blocks, transmission housings, differenttial housings, and other parts. Each machine could produce only one type of part, say a 350 cubic inch V-8. You needed a completely different machine for a 455 cubic inch V-8 or an in-line 4 cylinder block. These machines might end up being hundreds of feet long. Each thread had it's own drill and tap. And each drill and tap had it's own motor. Certain operations such as cylinder boring had it's own station where the engine block would be moved into position, followed by pneumatic cylinders clamping the part into position. The boring and honing would then be done. The part would then move to the next station, and this process continued until the finished product came out at the end of the machine. Its mind blowing that it is possible to do all of this on one or two machines. Instead of a machines that is a 100 feet long, with say 20 stations, and hundreds of individual tools for each operation, today you can produce the same product on maybe one or two machines. It is also possible to machine an engine block and transmission housing on the same machine. I am truly amazed at the changes in machining over the past 50 years. Gone are the days of brute force. The operator today, needs to be very well trained and needs far more knowledge of the whole machining process. Kudos to you and your staff for helping to advance manufacturing in the US. Bob
Nice to hear about your experience and the motor machining set up. I have been a tool maker for over 60 years and man have things changed. I started my own shop 50 years ago. Now it’s all CNC and my sons own it. We ran across a similar situation. We made short ( 5 to 10 K) runs on sprinkler frames for a company till they could get a rotary transfer machine built ( almost a year) . Your cycle time was what the longest time was on a station. Complicated parts in seconds. But hey you have to have HUGE volumes. It nice that Titan can get parts like this. Sure makes money but look at what it costs to do. I could have never afforded a machine like that. It becomes like ….which came first the chicken or the egg. You can’t get contracts like that if you don’t have the machine. Yet you can’t afford the machine unless you get the contracts. All that aside I’m thrilled that Titan is educating and promoting our industry. Amazing to see how he’s advanced from the Haas days to Doosan and now machines like Heller and others. Big thumbs up Titan. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a tiny bit jealous.
Man, I’m so jealous of all these new machines! My shop looks like the Museum of Ancient CNC. It’s getting hard to find guys who can program in Roman numerals these days.
Love how you travel the world find the best in the business put them in your shop and boom the hell out of them. Been out of a machine shop for about four years and planning on taking some programming classes to get my foot back in the door. Roofing pays well but the body can only take so much for so long. Much love from California Titan.
So cool to see the increase in production when you change to a better more modern machine. I recognize that part from your much earlier videos Titan, so glad to see the progress!
And here I was optimizing parts for our 3-axis Hartford. Going ~15k mmpm, and it impressed and surprised my colleague. While I was like "well the machine can't go any faster so I hit the limit at 15k in the straights for this part". Seeing this part machining, I now know how he felt ;) And I took the time to explain to him how I did it, in a calm and hopefully informative manner. Spread the knowledge is always key!
I love this. The mentality of learning to push your machines to their capabilities, and then transferring that knowledge. It's what this industry needs more of. Good job Anders!
Love it,the fact that he never wastes time worning people like put safety on stay away from the machine and don't try it at home etc. Just love it! !!Booooommmm
I love seeing the top tier machines. Thanks for showing off!! Speaking of top tier machines Please consider picking up a Datron Neo or MX Cube. 40-60K spindles, 1100-1575 IPM. And unlike many lower end machine tool builders claims the Daltron's actual gets up to the claimed IPM with mind boggling smoothness. Also their proprietary vacuum system is like magic. As always thanks for the great content brother!
These machines blow my mind as an automation engineer lol the precision, consistency and speed is beyond impressive... Im sure your guys are constantly learning how to improve on old and new machines along with materials, machining parts and software. Its hard to keep up with technology at times haha
it's really awesome to see what those new cnc mills are capable of especially when you are used to an old maho mill from the 1960 wich still gets it's job done and is a really solid mill
@@MF175mp I know, but the rotationlimt of my lathes milling tool is 4000rpm and my final part was an elypse 2x4mm made from a really wobbly plastic. What I say is, the idea was the same, the machine sets the limit
Titan Team: Can you guys do a video on this part and how you relieve stress to stay in specification. That looks like a large enough block to cause a bit of warping while roughing. Seeing the amount of material left on the back side, how do you deal with it so there is only preverbally two opps. Top bottom.?
with tight tolerances it would be roughing stress reliefing with heat treatment and then finishing. This is how we did it with alumium moulds for pet bottles. The parting line had to be flat.
@@3073Sean as far as I know to relief stress, it "softens" the part so the crystal can build new or something like that, hard to explain in a different language :')
When you show the endmill specs, show the average price plz. I know they are not “middle of the mall” stuff and im sure u get them cheaper than the average Joe but i sure would like to see it to help with perspective for us small guys. Sure i could look it up on the internet but im already here and you already posted all the other info/specs of the tool just put and average price. Please
Well shit, I apologize lol I paused the video to write that comment and 1sec later it said to visit the store for prices lol keep up the awesome videos Titan 🤘
Hey guys. Build an adapter for the camera lense and make a slit in it which allows high preassure air to blast over the objective. This will blow away chips and coolant bevore it even hits the camera. Like this you can make much better takes. Especially the takes from beneath the parts wher all the chips and coolant fall.
@@barrysetzer noiiiice! That's awesome! I was wondering if y'all saw my comment from the other video. That makes me very happy. It's the little things.
@@FiglioBastardo Hahaha we see EVERY comment. Fun fact, there is a large torroidal propeller already being machined on a Heller, they have a few on display at Heller's tech center in Troy Michigan
There is massive push back in my industry over the use of CNC machines. We often get heavily blasted for using a very basic CNC in comparison to what is available. The precision rifle industry is very stuck in the 70s when it comes to how barrels should be cut
I see these machines with insanely fast ipm specs. Being that there is always the risk vs reward I hear lots of people always say “you’re going to destroy that machine with those speeds”. My question is then why have them if you can’t use them. The faster you go I’m assuming puts more stress/wear on spindle bearings? Would love some clarity on the subject. Would you run the machine to it’s max all the time? Much love and gratitude.
Hi Troy, for one thing, these machines are the top of the top, and can sustain these types of feedrates for 20+ years. But with a cheap machine like a HAAS or a Tormach, by pushing them all the time, you should get a return on investment really fast. I used to always say with HAAS that you push it to the limit for 5 years, then push it into the dumpster and buy 2 new ones.
Yep, Barry is correct. Most top level machines are rated for much faster speeds than they allow. Heller actually has an option for 3500 IPM. Most huge OEM’s choose Heller because they are known for running high volume at incredible speeds… 24/7 for Decades. Most people just haven’t seen the technology.
@@barrysetzer Perfect. That's pretty much what my assumption was. My Tormach is no Heller so you get what you pay for which is why I don't push this machine too hard. Just counting the days to get a bigger machine. Thanks for the clarification!
@@tdg911 Yeah it really is. When you consider the size of the casting behind the spindle, and how fast that mass is moving around, its truly insane. And to be able to turn on a dime AND hold MICRONS doesn't make any sense to me from a physics perspective. It's like a freakin UFO
I'm a retired toolmaker. Watching this, I'm waiting for the end mill to go boom. Amazing. Do you to sharpen the smaller end mills or do you just toss them when they get dull?
Sounds like you need even bigger tooling. Bigger than 1 inch diameter so you can use all that available torque and power and rip the chips off the billet even faster. Do they even make toolholders for this machine that take bigger than a 1 inch shank?
i'd love seeing you push tools from different brands, like ceratizit and seco, you can say kennamteal is best but how can you say that without comparing? i am very curious to see
Hey Cyber, you may notice that there are several tools you see over and over on our channel. The HARVI 1TE, the KOR5, etc. These are tools that we proved in-house to be the best, and that's why we show them doing insane things. People sometimes misunderstand what we do here, and it isn't about pushing a product. It's about finding products we love, then showing you why we love them. We also arent here to blast any other company's tools. Maybe we could do a "blind" test in the future..........
Hell, and I was impressed at what our Muratec MD120's are capable of haha. This thing as a total beast! Granted, I work in powdered metal secondaries, similar concepts different applications, so something like this Heller probably wouldn't be practical but damn wouldn't it be fun to play with.
Very interesting that, at these very high feeds the tool has to accelerate and "brake" for corners like a car on a track. Also, 1650ipm is around 1.5mph, and I find it nuts that a CNC machine can cut metal at roughly a mile and a half per hour!
I think the reason your speed drops inside pockets is because the tool sees a higher travel speed inside a smaller space because of the size of the tool. Haas has a good video about it.
From my experience it is always higher MRR if you do bigger radial stepover because from 20 to 10% radial stepover you don't increase double fpt, and even if you do, machine can not reach that feed in small corners and it cuts more air then material sometimes.
Automakers have their own set of ISO-standards, so I'm wondering about how you're going to hold that part for the next operations. Are you "allowed" to use the threads in the part to hold it in place for the rest of the machining? Those threads are going to be used in the final product, so maybe they will be weakened if you really let that machine loose on the other sides of the part 🤔 Maybe it'll be fine if the threads are rolled or if there's a threaded steel insert installed. Please make a video about making the fixtures for the following operations.
Why couldn't you put smaller threaded holes in the piece for fixturing, and then come back after the job was done and rebore them to the size on the spec sheet? That way you get the best of both worlds - being able to use the holes for fixturing, and have fresh threads for the customer.
AFAIK every Siemens and Heidenhain controll has thd ability to lock the screen for cleaning. It's even possible to assign a certain background picture whike h ate cleaning it. A big chainsaw producer left some delicate pictures there to give the workers some motivation to clean their interfaces more often 😆
Speaking of make our own parts, I'd love to to see yall remake actual, to spec parts out of a automatic watch like Rolex. I've always wanted to see the micro sized part be machined. Most of ur stuff is big but I don't think I've seen a micro part ever machined on this channel
Hey Titan, on a big complex part like this, why don't y'all cast it to near shape and size so that there isn't so much to machine? Isn't that more sensible than machining from a huge block? Thanks! 😊
If you know that in a lot of spots you won’t get up to 1650 does it make sense to up the radial some and drop the feed to get the percentage of the motion at the programmed feed rate up?
Same thing I was thinking, if you are limited by acceleration it would seem more worthwhile to feed slower but dig deeper. A less aggressive 300 IPM with 5 times the radial might have a higher overall MRR and shorter cycle just because the machine is actually consistently reaching the feed and thus desired MRR instead of losing so much of it to acceleration/deceleration. What exactly is the benefit of astronomical feeds for roughing if you are having to drop the radial to a shave and make dozens of passes that barely reach the actual set feed because of limited acceleration? Also if this EV company is serious, they should really think about making castings for their motor housings, milling them out of solid block is way too expensive and time consuming when just finishing out a rough casting would be so much faster and more cost efficient. I mean milling it out of a block like that is totally fine for prototyping and maybe that is what this is, but this process is far from ideal if they are intending to use it for actual mass production.
Question for you guys. When you program your mills for these high feed rates, do you have to change the accuracy settings/ look ahead settings so that the machine can actually achieve those feed rates when you are roughing? I program an NHX 5000 at work and I have found that in order to achieve high feed rates I have to change the accuracy settings. But then I have to turn them back up in order to have accurate profiles for my finish passes. Just wondering if you have any experience with this. Keep up the good work. You guys rock!
Hey Bryan, yeah we do! The key is to ROUGH with your accuracy settings below your stock allowance. So if i am leaving .020 for finish, my roughing accuracy will be like .015.
Can you show us the feed and speed and AP AE you took for the finishing pass ? i dont understand this part of the video... Also, how you choose those feed and speed ? from trials ? any tips to find reliable s&f for finishing ? Lastly, what is this toolholder ? Thanks Greeting from france
The amount of productivity possible with these high end machines is extremely impressive to say the least. Making the modern world modern. Very cool.
thank you for the education!
I'm currently in school for my precision mechanic Bachelor professional (German Meister) and my class (3 people) decided that the approach of standardizing tooling on each machine so we can work on all machines without any problems is the way to go!
we even tested the surface finishes and capability of the tools so we know how to build our final piece perfectly to spec
that was so satisfying to look at a heller going super fast
That is some good toolpathing. During my time at Cincinnati I got to see the DARPA funded linear motor axis & 40,000RPM spindle run. .125 depth of cut @ 2000ipm, .010" wall thickness. It took them 20 minutes to get the hydrodynamic spindle warmed up to run at cutting speed. What was determined is there is virtually no limit to RPM/SFPM as long as chip load is .007" per flute in Aluminum. Crazy fast. The .010" ribs never flexed as the cutter was already gone by the time the material reacted. The challenge was dealing with accel/decel to avoid weird harmonics. Cool stuff guys!
These new heller machines are crazy powerful, we hear these cuts throughout the shop.
I've been in a tool and die maker position for 8 &1/2 years, my coworkers at the factory I'm with still think I'm crazy when I put our machines at some of the feeds and speeds you recommend. Slowly bringing the old-school to the modern age 🤙
tool and die maker position sounds fun, personally I prefer missionary but I'll give it a try
Perfect!! Nice to see our machines running at full speed
I stood in front of that machine yesterday with Titan and Barry. MONSTER machine and a perfect fit for Titan and his team. It was also a pleasure working with Donnie on the Tornos GT32.
Thanks for your help Brother😁
Man...When I did my apprenticeship on a Haas this feed was pretty much the rapid traverse of the machine...insane
The rapid on this machine is 2559 IPM.
@@tonymoll6265 wow that's crazy! About 1 meter per sec
Dang this video got me hyped for the day! That light indicating the program completion rate is so dope!
Right! It's the little things that can make a big deal!
MRR = 278 Cubic Inches Per Minute of Material Removal
With a .750 Dia Tool
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That was a great video. Heller machines never cease to amaze
You love it Titan don't you. So much passion for machining. These video's are awesome to watch.
Titan,
My first job was when I was a junior in high school in 1969. I worked as a detail draftsman for a machine design company. The company designed the machines used to mass produce finished parts for the automotive industry. The machines were designed so that a raw casting was loaded at one end of the machine and a finished part came out the other. The machines were for engine blocks, transmission housings, differenttial housings, and other parts. Each machine could produce only one type of part, say a 350 cubic inch V-8. You needed a completely different machine for a 455 cubic inch V-8 or an in-line 4 cylinder block.
These machines might end up being hundreds of feet long. Each thread had it's own drill and tap. And each drill and tap had it's own motor. Certain operations such as cylinder boring had it's own station where the engine block would be moved into position, followed by pneumatic cylinders clamping the part into position. The boring and honing would then be done. The part would then move to the next station, and this process continued until the finished product came out at the end of the machine.
Its mind blowing that it is possible to do all of this on one or two machines. Instead of a machines that is a 100 feet long, with say 20 stations, and hundreds of individual tools for each operation, today you can produce the same product on maybe one or two machines. It is also possible to machine an engine block and transmission housing on the same machine.
I am truly amazed at the changes in machining over the past 50 years. Gone are the days of brute force. The operator today, needs to be very well trained and needs far more knowledge of the whole machining process.
Kudos to you and your staff for helping to advance manufacturing in the US.
Bob
Thank you Bob,
Titan
Nice to hear about your experience and the motor machining set up. I have been a tool maker for over 60 years and man have things changed. I started my own shop 50 years ago. Now it’s all CNC and my sons own it. We ran across a similar situation. We made short ( 5 to 10 K) runs on sprinkler frames for a company till they could get a rotary transfer machine built ( almost a year) . Your cycle time was what the longest time was on a station. Complicated parts in seconds. But hey you have to have HUGE volumes. It nice that Titan can get parts like this. Sure makes money but look at what it costs to do. I could have never afforded a machine like that. It becomes like ….which came first the chicken or the egg. You can’t get contracts like that if you don’t have the machine. Yet you can’t afford the machine unless you get the contracts. All that aside I’m thrilled that Titan is educating and promoting our industry. Amazing to see how he’s advanced from the Haas days to Doosan and now machines like Heller and others. Big thumbs up Titan. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a tiny bit jealous.
Man, I’m so jealous of all these new machines! My shop looks like the Museum of Ancient CNC. It’s getting hard to find guys who can program in Roman numerals these days.
As a long time machinist and now a programmer, I LOVE this channel!!
What an honor it must be to work for you Titan!
Take it from me, its an honor 😉
Titan, You are simply THE BEAST!
BOOM BABY!!!
It still excites me every time I see HF machines cutting at high speeds - FAST!
I love that you dont yell and exaggerate the whole video. Just nice machining and explaining👌🏼
Love how you travel the world find the best in the business put them in your shop and boom the hell out of them. Been out of a machine shop for about four years and planning on taking some programming classes to get my foot back in the door. Roofing pays well but the body can only take so much for so long. Much love from California Titan.
Love these types of videos! Heller machines are top notch!!
So cool to see the increase in production when you change to a better more modern machine. I recognize that part from your much earlier videos Titan, so glad to see the progress!
And here I was optimizing parts for our 3-axis Hartford. Going ~15k mmpm, and it impressed and surprised my colleague. While I was like "well the machine can't go any faster so I hit the limit at 15k in the straights for this part".
Seeing this part machining, I now know how he felt ;)
And I took the time to explain to him how I did it, in a calm and hopefully informative manner. Spread the knowledge is always key!
I love this. The mentality of learning to push your machines to their capabilities, and then transferring that knowledge. It's what this industry needs more of. Good job Anders!
@@davecox8922 Thanks for the reply Dave, I appreciate it!
Great video team! Keep them coming. Love to see the speeds and massive cuts.
Love it,the fact that he never wastes time worning people like put safety on stay away from the machine and don't try it at home etc. Just love it! !!Booooommmm
Turning it up to eleven 💪🔥
YASSSSS GREATNESS!!!!! Love these machines!
Absolutely love your enthusiasm Titan! Your vision and vibes are contagious! BOOM!
I’m impressed that is was a 30 minute part 😮
Can be say "overclock" the CNC toolpath. Awesome, pls one more video.
I love seeing the top tier machines. Thanks for showing off!! Speaking of top tier machines Please consider picking up a Datron Neo or MX Cube. 40-60K spindles, 1100-1575 IPM. And unlike many lower end machine tool builders claims the Daltron's actual gets up to the claimed IPM with mind boggling smoothness. Also their proprietary vacuum system is like magic. As always thanks for the great content brother!
The sound of those chips from the first roughing cycle gave me chills.
HELLER YEAH!!!!!
I hear ya on the feed rates in the pockets. S curve for ramp up and down speed moves kills it.
These machines blow my mind as an automation engineer lol the precision, consistency and speed is beyond impressive... Im sure your guys are constantly learning how to improve on old and new machines along with materials, machining parts and software. Its hard to keep up with technology at times haha
Love the longer videos
it's really awesome to see what those new cnc mills are capable of especially when you are used to an old maho mill from the 1960 wich still gets it's job done and is a really solid mill
Love those beautiful non-coolant cuts!
last week I ran 5000mm/min on my NC-Lathe with a 12mm/3blades endmill no rough cuts, just the final cut - worked perfect
This is 8 times faster
@@MF175mp I know, but the rotationlimt of my lathes milling tool is 4000rpm and my final part was an elypse 2x4mm made from a really wobbly plastic.
What I say is, the idea was the same, the machine sets the limit
WOW, JUST INCREDIBLE!!
Awesome Machine. What do You think about the Siemens Control compared to the Fanuc on the DN machines. Nice video
Damn Titan! Mad respect. Visionar.
You are real boss of cnc machining.
Can't wait for 2nd OP =)
Smooth silent aggression. Yes!
Titan Team: Can you guys do a video on this part and how you relieve stress to stay in specification. That looks like a large enough block to cause a bit of warping while roughing. Seeing the amount of material left on the back side, how do you deal with it so there is only preverbally two opps. Top bottom.?
Yes
with tight tolerances it would be roughing stress reliefing with heat treatment and then finishing. This is how we did it with alumium moulds for pet bottles. The parting line had to be flat.
@@bouny01 Is that heat treat to relieve stress or are you hardening the material then finishing it?
@@3073Sean as far as I know to relief stress, it "softens" the part so the crystal can build new or something like that, hard to explain in a different language :')
@@3073Sean to relieve stress . It warped after machining
When you show the endmill specs, show the average price plz. I know they are not “middle of the mall” stuff and im sure u get them cheaper than the average Joe but i sure would like to see it to help with perspective for us small guys. Sure i could look it up on the internet but im already here and you already posted all the other info/specs of the tool just put and average price. Please
Well shit, I apologize lol I paused the video to write that comment and 1sec later it said to visit the store for prices lol keep up the awesome videos Titan 🤘
love the vids keep it up..
Hope that kennametal has indexable endmills for aluminium in the future
Their 5720 series is what I use for aluminum. They go down to 1" or 25mm
Ooooh man! Great Job Guys, Boom!
What’s up Enrique🤙
That machine is BADASS! And I thought the Ibarmia was awesome..
Titans of cnc please can you make the seperate video about cnc machines for watchmaking? For micro parts, details with micron tolerance 🙏
Just like Sonic the Hedgehog. "Gotta go fast."
Hey guys. Build an adapter for the camera lense and make a slit in it which allows high preassure air to blast over the objective. This will blow away chips and coolant bevore it even hits the camera. Like this you can make much better takes. Especially the takes from beneath the parts wher all the chips and coolant fall.
how will you take out the material from the other side?
Can y'all please make a torroidal propeller for a boat please?! Hell, make one for an airplane, or a big ass drone while you're at it.
We are playing with this idea!
@@barrysetzer noiiiice! That's awesome! I was wondering if y'all saw my comment from the other video. That makes me very happy. It's the little things.
@@FiglioBastardo Hahaha we see EVERY comment. Fun fact, there is a large torroidal propeller already being machined on a Heller, they have a few on display at Heller's tech center in Troy Michigan
@@barrysetzer Yeah I figured y'all stay on top of the comments. That's killer Heller is already on it too. I'd love to see that.
There is massive push back in my industry over the use of CNC machines. We often get heavily blasted for using a very basic CNC in comparison to what is available. The precision rifle industry is very stuck in the 70s when it comes to how barrels should be cut
I see these machines with insanely fast ipm specs. Being that there is always the risk vs reward I hear lots of people always say “you’re going to destroy that machine with those speeds”. My question is then why have them if you can’t use them. The faster you go I’m assuming puts more stress/wear on spindle bearings? Would love some clarity on the subject. Would you run the machine to it’s max all the time? Much love and gratitude.
Hi Troy, for one thing, these machines are the top of the top, and can sustain these types of feedrates for 20+ years. But with a cheap machine like a HAAS or a Tormach, by pushing them all the time, you should get a return on investment really fast. I used to always say with HAAS that you push it to the limit for 5 years, then push it into the dumpster and buy 2 new ones.
Yep, Barry is correct.
Most top level machines are rated for much faster speeds than they allow. Heller actually has an option for 3500 IPM.
Most huge OEM’s choose Heller because they are known for running high volume at incredible speeds… 24/7 for Decades.
Most people just haven’t seen the technology.
@@barrysetzer Perfect. That's pretty much what my assumption was. My Tormach is no Heller so you get what you pay for which is why I don't push this machine too hard. Just counting the days to get a bigger machine. Thanks for the clarification!
@@TITANSofCNC That's just insane when you really ponder the moment. The engineering that goes into these machines is just on a whole other level.
@@tdg911 Yeah it really is. When you consider the size of the casting behind the spindle, and how fast that mass is moving around, its truly insane. And to be able to turn on a dime AND hold MICRONS doesn't make any sense to me from a physics perspective. It's like a freakin UFO
Great Job Titan
I'm a retired toolmaker. Watching this, I'm waiting for the end mill to go boom. Amazing. Do you to sharpen the smaller end mills or do you just toss them when they get dull?
Hi guys this machine is wonderfull y love your work. I am machinist too here in mexico and i wish to work with you
You are amazing
Sounds like you need even bigger tooling. Bigger than 1 inch diameter so you can use all that available torque and power and rip the chips off the billet even faster. Do they even make toolholders for this machine that take bigger than a 1 inch shank?
Would’ve liked to have seen the threading and o ring grove cut along with the back side of the part
Our machines would slow down circular interpolating and on contours until we return high accuracy mode off then it would stay full speed!Brian Hayes!
What a beast! That machine is awesome!
An absolute delight to watch. What was the total programme cycle time for this part?
That's awesome 👍 to the fullest man you do good education vids👍
i'd love seeing you push tools from different brands, like ceratizit and seco, you can say kennamteal is best but how can you say that without comparing? i am very curious to see
Hey Cyber, you may notice that there are several tools you see over and over on our channel. The HARVI 1TE, the KOR5, etc. These are tools that we proved in-house to be the best, and that's why we show them doing insane things. People sometimes misunderstand what we do here, and it isn't about pushing a product. It's about finding products we love, then showing you why we love them. We also arent here to blast any other company's tools. Maybe we could do a "blind" test in the future..........
@@barrysetzer yea a blind test would be interesting
That's his sponsor.
Gettin after it 💪💪💪
That milling feed is faster than my FMAX xDD
Fantastic work !!!
Great video
How about the pressision in holes? To insert beatona pressfit
O man. 1650 IPM Killin it.
Hell, and I was impressed at what our Muratec MD120's are capable of haha. This thing as a total beast! Granted, I work in powdered metal secondaries, similar concepts different applications, so something like this Heller probably wouldn't be practical but damn wouldn't it be fun to play with.
Very interesting that, at these very high feeds the tool has to accelerate and "brake" for corners like a car on a track. Also, 1650ipm is around 1.5mph, and I find it nuts that a CNC machine can cut metal at roughly a mile and a half per hour!
Hahaha i didnt think about it like that!!!! I actually love that you did!
Holy Christ.
What about normal operation? We don't need normal where we're going.
There is nothing better than smooth, silent aggression!
HAHAHA when we reviewed this video yesterday, we thought that would make a great tshirt. "Smooooooth Silent AGGRESSION"
@@barrysetzer Absolutely! I'd buy one or a few! 😁
@@barrysetzer It's in the works.
I think the reason your speed drops inside pockets is because the tool sees a higher travel speed inside a smaller space because of the size of the tool. Haas has a good video about it.
It's because the acceleration isn't fast enough to go that fast inside that small space
From my experience it is always higher MRR if you do bigger radial stepover because from 20 to 10% radial stepover you don't increase double fpt, and even if you do, machine can not reach that feed in small corners and it cuts more air then material sometimes.
My shop doesn't have shrink fit holders I'm assuming we could still run it decently fast in a er40 collect perhaps?
Lets go!👊
I think you guys should get and try the mr1 mill I keep seeing adds for in your videos and see what it can really do
That's awesome, definitely makes the price of the machine more than worth it !
Automakers have their own set of ISO-standards, so I'm wondering about how you're going to hold that part for the next operations.
Are you "allowed" to use the threads in the part to hold it in place for the rest of the machining?
Those threads are going to be used in the final product, so maybe they will be weakened if you really let that machine loose on the other sides of the part 🤔
Maybe it'll be fine if the threads are rolled or if there's a threaded steel insert installed.
Please make a video about making the fixtures for the following operations.
Why couldn't you put smaller threaded holes in the piece for fixturing, and then come back after the job was done and rebore them to the size on the spec sheet? That way you get the best of both worlds - being able to use the holes for fixturing, and have fresh threads for the customer.
@@jmowreader9555 It's a possible solution for sure.
But I guess it also depends on what the rest of the part looks like.
Thats impressive, we use Coromill Plura endmills but nothing like this!
Heck yeah, let that dawg eat!!!!!
AFAIK every Siemens and Heidenhain controll has thd ability to lock the screen for cleaning. It's even possible to assign a certain background picture whike h ate cleaning it. A big chainsaw producer left some delicate pictures there to give the workers some motivation to clean their interfaces more often 😆
Speaking of make our own parts, I'd love to to see yall remake actual, to spec parts out of a automatic watch like Rolex. I've always wanted to see the micro sized part be machined. Most of ur stuff is big but I don't think I've seen a micro part ever machined on this channel
Dont worry, its coming soon. I heard Donnie talking today about doing a part that will fit between the ridges of your fingerprint. Spoiler alert 😅
@@barrysetzer I absolutely can't wait. I've always wondered how Swiss watch makers mad parts small like that much less assembled and functional
What version of MasterCam do you use? I still have a copy of 8, 9 & X that I like to use.
That is crazy speed and feed. I don't even run my machine at 1650mm per minute
"we're 13mins into the program, we got 8 minutes left. That's 69%, that's 31%, BOOME."
How long did you machine this part?
Try SGS APR cutter, best for aluminium roughing
Hey Titan, on a big complex part like this, why don't y'all cast it to near shape and size so that there isn't so much to machine?
Isn't that more sensible than machining from a huge block?
Thanks! 😊
What a monster!!!!
At 1.5 million and up for one of those machines I would expect it to rock!
at this speed how often is tooling changed?
If you know that in a lot of spots you won’t get up to 1650 does it make sense to up the radial some and drop the feed to get the percentage of the motion at the programmed feed rate up?
Same thing I was thinking, if you are limited by acceleration it would seem more worthwhile to feed slower but dig deeper. A less aggressive 300 IPM with 5 times the radial might have a higher overall MRR and shorter cycle just because the machine is actually consistently reaching the feed and thus desired MRR instead of losing so much of it to acceleration/deceleration. What exactly is the benefit of astronomical feeds for roughing if you are having to drop the radial to a shave and make dozens of passes that barely reach the actual set feed because of limited acceleration?
Also if this EV company is serious, they should really think about making castings for their motor housings, milling them out of solid block is way too expensive and time consuming when just finishing out a rough casting would be so much faster and more cost efficient. I mean milling it out of a block like that is totally fine for prototyping and maybe that is what this is, but this process is far from ideal if they are intending to use it for actual mass production.
Question for you guys. When you program your mills for these high feed rates, do you have to change the accuracy settings/ look ahead settings so that the machine can actually achieve those feed rates when you are roughing? I program an NHX 5000 at work and I have found that in order to achieve high feed rates I have to change the accuracy settings. But then I have to turn them back up in order to have accurate profiles for my finish passes. Just wondering if you have any experience with this. Keep up the good work. You guys rock!
Hey Bryan, yeah we do! The key is to ROUGH with your accuracy settings below your stock allowance. So if i am leaving .020 for finish, my roughing accuracy will be like .015.
Can you show us the feed and speed and AP AE you took for the finishing pass ? i dont understand this part of the video...
Also, how you choose those feed and speed ? from trials ? any tips to find reliable s&f for finishing ?
Lastly, what is this toolholder ?
Thanks
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How long does it take to clean up after cnc
What was your L_TOL on the rough out? Jack it up a thou at a time and see how close you get to command feed rate 🤪, you have .030 stock why not