SHOCKING Metal Removal | Pushing The Limits Using NEW KCP25C Inserts
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- Tyson CNC Machines 1045 Steel using Kennametal's NEW KCP25C Insert. He Programs a Pinch Turning Operation on DN Solution's SMX 3100ST to really put these Inserts to the Test. These Inserts were Built to DESTROY material. Link below to buy these NEW Kennametal inserts.
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00:00 900 SFM on 1045 Steel
00:29 First look at Kennametal's NEW KCP25C Insert
01:31 store.TITANSofCNC.com $6 Inserts PROMO
01:45 KCP25C Classification
02:40 Building the Tools in Haimer Crib
04:09 Pinch Turning Machining on DN Solutions SMX 3100ST
05:00 Designing and Programming the Part
07:00 Results after First Operation
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09:08 Depth of Cut at .200
11:06 Insert Performance
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18 just graduated highschool last year I joined an apprenticeship program at an aerospace job shop at 16 never having much desire to go to university despite being in honors and ap classes all through highschool. I’ve absolutely fallen in love with the industry and a big part of that is thanks to people like you guys
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Don't listen to @@BuschLightMatters69 Keep that up my man. He's probably typing it in his parents' basement.
@@BuschLightMatters69 Then why did you read it and commented?
It is always nice to watch you guys push your tooling and machines to their max. Most shops are afraid to run parts as fast as their machines can go. You guys do it regularly and still maintain the highest quality standards possible. Every shop could take some lessons from you on how to run a successful machine shop and do it while making the most advanced parts in the industry.
Another very informative video for those of us non-machinists. The only machining I've ever done was in HS, decades ago. These videos of the work you do are amazing.
Thanks Alan… Have a a great day.
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@@TITANSofCNC the insert in the video, is that the 432 medium versatile? We’re having a hard time with 1026 hot form tubing material. If these are still able to be purchased at $6 per I’d love to try them out. I believe I signed up for cncexpert a while back, I think.
That cutting was pretty impressive. Hat's off to Kennametal for providing a really good insert.
I remember when seco and all insert companies had black coated inserts and the whole machine trade complained that it was to hard to see the edge wear and reading the insert. So they switched to a silver or gold coated instead.
I was using tips like that in 1995, we faced as first op to save Damage from the irregular cuts
He did it for a reason.
Outstanding video Tyson and Greg and to the entire TOC team. Congratulations and thank you. #Kennametal #KCP25C #TOC
This video is packed with information, nice work Tyson!
I love watching your videos and they are very informative. I have been machining for nearly 30 years and this isn't what I would consider heavy turning. I have run some of the largest lathes around my area. Heavy turning I did was .625 DOC or greater at feed rate of up to .063 IPR.
It's a puma. Pretty sure the torque isn't there for the deeper cuts.
Thanks for all your team does … Thanks .
Working previously in a CNC shop the only tooling we used was kennametal and sandvik coromant keep up the good work !
Did you notice a difference in the Kennametal inserts vs the Sandvik inserts?
Different depth of cuts has moved the notch wear, as you guys know. Love the videos 👌
I ran a Tungaloy insert(CNMG120408-TM_T9225)(~7,5€) in 1.7131(5115) a few weeks ago with 280m/min 7mmDOC and 0.48mm/rev on a DMG CTXbeta800.
To be fair I was using regular 10Bar floodcoolant.
Для твоих параметров лучше стружколом TH и радиус пластины 1.2...
Awesome video Tyson! We love to see pinch turning!
Now that's a killer insert! Steel doesn't have a chance against this insert!
What an impressive piece of modern genius driven engineering!
$6 for this beast insert - that's insane!
.... and it's indexable! That's crazy!
I don't see how you could possibly keep these in stock - these should be on permanent backorder.....
Crazy engineering, crazy price, crazy availability, the world has gone totally mad, nuts, twilight zone stuff!
Wow!
You guys are lifting up the world of machining for everyone!
Thank y'all for what you're doing!
It's a good work.
Kudos to each and every one of you on the team there in Flower Mound!
Thank you!!!! 🙂
10:30 Tyson’s smile in the corner is hilarious. You should add an operator cam angle
your a total wizard Tyson, keep it up man.
Those 5mms on each insert at the end looks crazy. I used to make such parts with a tailstock for safety
Keep on guys 👌🏻
You guys need to do some videos on turning and milling phenolics, plastics, and other composite materials.
Also, should do some videos on tooling geometry and it's applications. Can't really find anything on why certain angles, back grinds, insert styles, rakes, chip breakers, etc are to be used and when in depth other than "this metal, use this rake"
Thank you guys. Your channel is awesome. Love from Pittsburgh, PA
Great job Tyson, those were some nice, satisfying cuts my dude
Tried this type of machining on a 4 axis Okuma LC20M approx 33 years ago. The only difference being that the Upper and Lower tools are exactly 180° apart, so I got to thinking if I precisley set the Z tool offset so that both tools were at the same posn on Z at all times I could "Double" the feedrate! Effective feedrate on each tool was only 50% of the actual programmed feedrate. Okuma allowes you to use "P" codes to keep both turrets synchronised at all times. Insane productivity! If the Z offsets were not exact, this would result in the "Leading" turret taking a heavier feedrate, so you had to make sure that you checked this.
I love those kcp inserts. In industry I have always referred to them as Oreo's. 650-700sfm you can run them all day without switching corners in some scaly material.
That definitely was a truly impressive depth of cut😳...man that is so crazy! 🤣
I used to do 15 degree approach, 3/8" per side, .032" per rev feed on EN19T shafts on an old DSG centre lathe many years ago. The load meter was around 70%.
My rep brought these inserts by a few weeks ago along with a super secret new endmill. And my lathe guys loves them. About to fill up my ROTOPOInt with them
Was the end mill an 8flute with a new coating?
@@llljj9 no, 5 flute that could plunge like a drill. I wasn’t allowed to take any photos.
Wrecked some 17-4 cond A
If I had a CNC machine, you guys would have sold me a handful of these at the least. Nice work on the video. I wish I was able to learn this stuff.
They are not just for CNC machines. I bought some for a regular manual lathe.
Iv used these inserts for a long time! They were great, loved using them
On 4140 , chips break like butter even at lower feed rates, I typically turned at .040 per rev and faced at .050 for roughing. Kennametal makes the best inserts/ drills, sandvik beats them on endmills
Did you notice a difference in the Kennametal inserts vs the Sandvik inserts? Like the ones in video?
@@Baby_J1 just the price!😂 sandvik is so expensive. Haven’t really looked too closely at them never noticed how it directs coolant to the tip
1045 isn't really some crazy steel to machine. Yes, they use high SFM, but 0.012 IPR isn't impressive, and he basically used two inserts for roughing this piece.
@@ChrisMaj yeah I know, they haven’t really pushed their lathes very hard
On parts 12 inches or bigger. Was doing that with cemented carbide tool bits. In the late 80s. On a manual monarch lathe.
When roughing I would always take a depth of cut about 3/4 of the depth of the insert. Never at 1/2 depth of insert as the stresses at the insert hole will cause failure.
loll my shop mainly uses Sandvik, and last week a Kennametal distributor showed up to get us to try these inserts, they aren't bad, just nothing special, we use similar cnmg insert from sandvik that works just fine.
I think for most shops, what would be the deciding factor, would be what the price of the insert costs. Most inserts today will cut very similar if used for their intended purpose.
Great content!
I totally work in the wrong place... 😆
Looks like a fun place to work, pushing the limits 😁
Great Job 👍
Awesome video Tyson! Luckily I never have to worry about you stealing my material!!!
I think for most shops, what would be the deciding factor, would be what the price of the insert costs. Most inserts today will cut very similar if used for their intended purpose.
That’s an awesome infomercial for those inserts but they do exactly what they say they will do. I’ve never seen a better chips that are damn near the exact same color question will the insert have a little discoloration if you use coolant, they should’ve done that to show or flip it around and show you run in a monster cut with coolant to show no heat discoloration on the insert
Gonna be using these in 4340 tomorrow with a .150 DOC, curious to see how they do. Our tool rep gave us a bunch to test
How did it go? We do 4140 quite a bit, so would be interested to know how you went with the 4340.
@Drafty01 running at 320SFM feeding at .022 DOC .150 it's doing much better than our sumitomo 543 AC8025P EMU! The sumi made 2 parts while the cnmg 543 KC25P made 5, we are using a slightly different chip breaker shown in video. We tried to bump up the sfm but it quickly failed. We are in cut for roughly 16min. Still trying to get things dialed in.
I wanna see that on 316SS.
I love you guys and gals over at titan inspiration daily keep it up.
Those inserts being 6$ a piece actually blew my mind. I have watched few these type channels and always figured these were super expensive
Many are… $6 is almost giving them for free.
Yeah these inserts are mega cheap, just tried looking at ordering some online but wondering how much shipping is to the UK? It wanted to charge me before I found out shipping charges
@@TITANSofCNC We've been using them at my job for a couple weeks now and have been blown away with the price vs. performance compared to our old SECO insets. I was surprised to see a video with the exact same insert
@@willyharris4199 I just ordered some and you can see the shipping cost after typing in all the information before clicking the final payment button.
the machine is really good what application does it use can you use mastercam?
I use these inserts they are as good as they say. Significantly longer lasting then my sandvik inserts
why dont you do facing first and then rough through the material, so the insert is not hitting the sawn surface at the start of the cut? I think by cleaning it first the insert can hold for much longer
With such a heavy piece of stock it makes sense to balance the weight by OD cutting before running the higher rpm required to face down to center
But those inserts are probably made to stand these factors so maybe you safe yourself time with not doing that right?
@@ryanharsch042 True but after you get full cleanup on the od you can then face it and go back to turning the od.
Красавчик, единственный нормальный пацан из титанов, остальным только на рынке пластинами торговать
thanks
12 inch? That's cute
That stock will fit in the holes in my parts with space to spare
Will these also work as good on stainless steel?
Nice blue 6 and 9 chips.
Those last cuts were absolutely sexy. Great job Tyson, breaking the rules😊
Nice !
When you speed up the replay of footage, you should be indicating that with something like, “ x 2 “ in the corner of the video (or something)
I use the inserts all the time at work and they will cut even with the edges completely blown off. These things last forever.
I still use high speed steel in a lantern tool post, a bit different.
I worked at a shop in California that made there daily living doing parts (aerospace) that halfdozen other shops refused to bid on!! Several years ago they brought in a slender (stianless I think) maybe .4 diameter in places .125 inothers, 6 or 7 inches long), round part that several other shops had tried runout tolerances of of .0001-.0002. The customer wanted at least he thought it should be ground. This Latino kid (everybody is a kid to me @ 76) turned it on a Hardinge!!! You ought to find him. I can give you his name (I had the guys sign my tool box when I left there )!!!
Sounds like a cake walk on a Swiss machine.
What about your chuck pressure?
how would these work on 8620 steel?
What a crazy price!!
how come you dont have any type of crane in the shop for big parts or moving fixtures around? kinda annoying to make space for a large forklift to do heavier lifting.
My cnc days are over now I use to run a Chiron
How come i’ve worked with this type of cutting tool tungsten plate 10 years ago. Only they’re fabricated by Sandvik?
Man the machine shops i've worked in need to really switch up to Kennametal inserts, they're so durable and thermally resistant and that price, oh man you just can't beat that. Sandvik you better watch out..
there's a guy on youtube trepaning inconel 1.5 meters deep with sandvik inserts and he shows you how 1 sandvik insert makes for 20 kennametal
sandvik is the best!
@@meocats That‘s for shure,mate!!! KM is for „Garage-Hobby-Machining“… SANDVIK is for the pro’s… SANDVIK has the WIDEST Range of Hard Metal Grades , the best coatings and the best cutting Edge geometries… AND the newest Technology in Y - axes turning, i think… And don‘t fortget „PrimeTurning“ programed with „MasterCam 2020“ or newer… And now you understand the Price of 6Dollar‘s per insert…
Very impressive, I would have expected the corner to have started chipping out with running no coolant, at that price it's a no-brainer even for manual laths that aren't running coolant all the time. It seems kind of crazy that you would machine such a large and expensive piece of bar stock just for a video but I guess it makes sales and revenue from video but after just placing an order of steel at around $15K I would hate to waste that much steel just to test and demonstrate a product, too bad you didn't have a part order that could have been used for this test.
suuuuper nice
In 1045? That heat treating materials.
La lubrification est en option sur les tours à commande numérique
If it wasn't held in that Schunk chuck I would have been a little nervous.
kennametal, i appreciate your engineering but i'm still calling that the gedderdun insert. those cuts were ridiculous!
Can i buy this from you guys in USA and go collect in South Africa Kennametal
C is also Kennametal
I about had a stroke at 10:55!!!
Awesome, I’m looking for a machinist to machine the Constant Shifting Center of Gravity Rotor, the Center of Gravity Pendulum MQShawGravity
May I know if Titan’s has tried Walter cutting tools and your experience with them?
I have and they have many great tools.
In my shop we have Walter tools only for turning, except grooving where we use Horn and Arno, and you can really push these inserts. I was turning a big pipe(OD: 900mm, 4000mm long) and i had to take the outside scale down with one cut, and the machine and inserts just pushed through with a doc of about 10mm, with the weld spiking at about 15mm , a constant 1.1mm per rev feed and 180m/min cutting speed. these Walter inserts are great. One cut took about 45min
Every brand has their place, we do alot of turning at our shop and I would say for ISO turning Walter is definitely superior to kennametal
So tell me, how impressed are you with these inserts?
why no coolant?
very short clamping distance, and on the unmachined surface.. It's making me nervous 😅
always easy to cut 40'000-60'000psi tensile mild steel.
I wonder why they didn’t use any coolant.
face this part first . yes yes big cut = big brand new machine ..
I dont know if anyone who knows anything reads these comments and responds like titan himself. But im struggling trying to straight knurl monel fast or even better than 1 a day. I have a non adjustable cnc knurling tool. The clap style i could not figure out on cnc.. Anyone have any tips or tricks?
Would like a comparison with other brands. I never let my programmers just SWITCH inserts to a new brand without testing..
They are sponsored by Kemametal, you won't see other brands unfortunately
"Depth of cut" counter
Using coolant would most likely have caused the insert to thermal fracture
IF the cutting stress is low it would never get hot enough to get to that point. Being that they said multiple times they were not using it for filming, they probably recommend running coolant with this insert. Otherwise, it would have been noted in the video that this was designed to be run without coolant. And, my experience running my cnc lathe is that inserts last longer and produce a better finish running coolant.
@@bobsbillets that’s fine for finishing, when you are trying to maximize stock removal turn it off and let the heat leave with the chip. Try it, slow down the sfm and turn the feed up. You should always be using different tools for roughing and finishing
I actually like the dramatic music in your videos as someone learning to make music, but I have always wished someone would put some totally inappropriate music in a video, like sad music for a happy scene, dramatic music for a calm scene, or comedic music for a dramatic scene. I think it would be something different that would make a video memorable.
Thats a thick metal rod
You guys should do a satisfying video.. With less talking.... With no talking and no people
Jeez man, crashes must cost you so much to repair
I want your shirt❤
Works in a pinch
Seeing that with out fluid makes my gums hurt
Steel looking better on the inside...
No coolant for filming purposes if you guys didn’t know 😅
A 13 minute #ad, 5 minutes of my life I won’t get back
Our company contracts with several/many CNC suppliers for our products and we are familiar with CNC processes. The operators who produce this series are not any suppliers with whom we would ever contract.
Braggarts and nothing more.
Radius On the insert? 1,2mm
R = 0.8 mm
13 минут рекламы пластин Kena... Где на видео видно безостановочный процесс обработки от начала и до конца.
... make the golden Cut 1:1.618.
So why did you not use coolant?
Strictly so we could see what's going on in the video.
@@phillhuddleston9445 no, i think he just forgot to turn it on. He would have told us if was for the video purpose.
@@budisansamuelfabian6233 He did mention it in the video.
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Your picture is either wrong , or one of those tools is going to be destroyed.
Sumitomo is the best on the Planet....
Sandvik is the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!
J'était Technico-Commercial chez Sandvik France département Coromant en 1968 ( Levalois Perret Paris )..........et avions les meilleures plaquettes....Seco moyen..Kenametal moyen..en fait peu de concurence à cette époque.