Anyone who has moved a big lathe with small equipment is applauding how easy the editing made this look. Dont be fooled, this is a serious undertaking. Many hours were spent planning how to safely move these parts with a multitude of constraints. Well done man!
Yes Definitely. I've had the pleasure of replacing the motor Brushes in a 1983 Mori-Seiki SL-2B. It was a 4 Brush, 15hp, DC Shunt Motor... Moving that motor out just a few inches took some planning! That was about 9 years ago. Still using machine today and still holds .0001" tolerances, or .00254 mm
It's really not that difficult - I just moved a CNC lathe a couple of months ago. Step 1, rent a forklift, step 2 borrow (or rent) a truck - only takes a couple of hours, and you don't completely f' up all the alignment of the entire machine. I don't know where this "we'll just tear it all apart and rebuild it from scratch" approach comes from, but it's about the stupidest way to do this you can possibly come up with. Old CNC controls are really easy to fix, if you're even slightly competent at electronics repair. It's a lot faster / easier / cheaper to fix what's there than it is to rip and replace, but this channel is always focused on doing things the dumb way, so... par for the course
You've put in a lot of work, and it looks good! Just an FYI, your drawtube actuator is pulling against the spindle bearings. The original actuator "floats" and pulls against the spindle itself so the spindle bearings are not constantly under load. This is typically also how the drawbar works in a CNC mill. A better design might be to use the die springs between the drawtube and the spindle tube. Then you just need an actuator to "unclamp" the springs, again, like a CNC mill drawbar. That system would not work for a chuck though, since it needs to clamp over a much wider range.
I might need you to elaborate as I dont think I understand, but with a CNC mill drawbar there is a built in spring mechanism which pulls its back. In the Lathe this did not exist. maybe it exists in modern designs but definitely not in this old machine. Thanks again for watching and looking froward to your reply
@@ActionBOX Correct, you would have to make it. The original hydraulic actuator is just a hydraulic ram that pulls the drawtube on one end and pushes against the rotating spindle tube on the other end. It can pull on the drawtube as hard as it wants and there is no load transferred to the spindle bearings. With your design, any time the drawtube is pulled by the actuator, the thrust load is transferred to the spindle bearings. The spindle bearings are rated for a lot of axial load, but it's still not a good practice.
@@WatchWesWork @WatchWesWork regardless they will wreck the spindle bearings pretty fast doing it like that. But not sure they could get away with a different solution unless that large circular plate with holes spin with the spindletube. cuz then a hollow thru hydraulic ram that spins with the machine should work, and have to be disconnected if running it manually or have a slipring that can transfer pressure fitted to it.
I think the problem of this channel are the videos. You cannot actually see the detail of the process, everything happens too fast. It is more about the achievement than the process. I think a project like this, as well as all the others deserved to be divided in 3 different videos, at least.
That’s funny. I was thinking, what is this, a machinist video for children? I can’t imagine I’ll ever watch another video here, never mind subscribe. But that’s the great thing about this platform, something for everyone.
@@ActionBOX It's inspiring. I've been looking at old machines for years, dreaming of doing exactly what you've done. It's a shame how many of these old machines get scrapped. To breath new life into them in such a way that you understand exactly how they work, and exactly how to repair them, is as good as CNC gets. I'd rather have a machine that I restored, and modified myself as opposed to anything brand new. Really well done, you guys should be proud :)
@@dieselphiend I really appreciate this comment. It's crazy that we could get these massive machines for almost free, and with a bit of time and learning we can have them back up and running again. Whats holding you back from doing the same thing?
@@ActionBOX Space, I need more space. I've got a 48" CNC router that I still need to figure out where to put. I've considered mounting it to the ceiling, lol.
Just tip from a CNC machinist... The closer you have the part to the work hold (in this case the collet) the less chatter you will have. Your chess piece came out pretty good, but if you want that fine finish with the rainbow sheen on it, you want the most rigid set up possible. That goes for work piece AND tooling. The less you stick out the tooling, the more rigid it will be! Awesome video!
I loved this video. I am a second year electromechanical engineering student and I like how you break down your thought process and your clever solutions for each problem.
Damn...you guys rock, always a smile on my face when i get a notification of new videos from you guys, why you are still full-time employed is hard to understand, as you have made equipment that would easily be sellable into the maker community, hope you make that transition
I really appreciate this comment. Thank you for your support and kind words. If you love our videos then you will enjoy the next few weeks as we will be releasing a video every week. Making the transition you describe is difficult with such huge machines, but we have a Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine video coming out perhaps next week (pictures already on our website), so that might help. Thanks again Dave
Another excellent project! On the collet closer, the draw tube should close under spring pressure (springs rotate with the spindle) and only be opened with your linear actuator. That way the thrust bearings and actuator only have to function during collet release much reducing wear (and heat). Also means you are not putting axial pressure on the spindle bearings during normal operation. Same principle as an automotive clutch.
Wow, Philip as I was reading your comment I was realizing how much better your solution is than mine. Where were you when I was building this machine haha. Can you share a link to an example of one of these mechanisms so I can get a better visual? Hope you enjoyed the video. Cheers, Dave
@@HuskyMachining Seems like a popular opinion, This is one of my favorite aspects of posting a video on UA-cam, I get feedback that I have not considered. Thank you very much.
That's huge! I'm working currently on a CNC lathe too, but that's tons of work. Btw what is that in front of the main spindle? Is that a tailstock of any kind or a second spindle?
I am well aware, I check in with your channel every now and then. Great stuff you do and I would love to collaborate with you on our Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine (video coming out in 1 - 2 weeks). To answer your question that was a massive tailstock, not a spindle. Cheers, Dave
@@ActionBOX So great to hear that you check in some time! :) If you'd like to contact with me just let me know. Metal injection molding machines are really interesting stuff too - I'd love to build one in the future but that needs tons of knowledge for sure too. Btw what kind of tailstock is that? Hydraulic? Pneumatic? Electric motor? Are you going to use it? I'm going to make a pneumatic tailstock for my lathe with electro-pneumatic pressure valve control (0-10V from panel). Keep up your work! Greetings!
@@GBWM_CNC The tailstock was Hydraulic. I converted it to Electric and then realized I just dont need it in my machine for the type of work I do, so I pulled it out.
WOW!!! This is incredible. you're showing what is possible for people to do at home these days with some intense research, willingness to learn and some determination all this can be accessible to a lot of people
I've been following you guys since your humble beggining and I am really impressed by how things are evolving... Both of you are lucky to have each other but also having many supportive people around you... I think in a couple of years you will have your own factory if things continue to progress at this pace. On my side I just wish to have a bit of luck to find some people that hare supprotive and helpful as alone I cannot get much done.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that. We have a Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine that we made which you would love if you enjoyed this. stay tuned, video coming out in 1-2 weeks.
You’re right, measuring concentricity on the outside was unwise. We will make sure to focus on the mating surface moving forward. Other than that did you find any other issues that we can focus on? Thank you for the good tip.
Saw this in the group. It took a week but got around to it. Good stuff. Only issue i saw is you only need to run enough part stickout to have clearance for the tool changer/tools. You can rough faster and it's not as tough on your tools.
DIY?!? This is legit insane. I really enjoy your simplistic approach to a complicated machine and your "get it done" attitude. You and your brother have earned my subscription, kudos and good luck!
Looks great! I did CNC servo conversions of my manual machines years ago, then upgraded, but not to true professional machines. Reminds me of when I went from Cincinatti to Detroit to get a Tormach Mill and get it home to my garage all solo... Then it didn't fit in the garage so had to partially disassemble it in the dark to get it to fit so I could return the trailer. Couldn't get it off the trailer, so dragged it off with my lawn tractor lol. How many RPM you getting out of the spindle? looks really low. Your controller and pendant are laughably cheap compared to even just a few years ago. Nice to see this all get more affordable!
I feel your pain, but I'm glad to know Im not alone in this hahah. My spindle RPM is indeed low with a maximum of 3000RPM, but it's perfect for my home shop needs. Thank you for your support.
Starting my own machine shop in my home garage and ive bounced around the idea of doing this exact thing. Thank you for the motivation and your work came out amazing. As well as the controller unit. Really enjoy the asthetics of it all.
Thank you very much. We are launching some cool videos over the next few weeks so make sure to check in. next week is a DIY Metal Injection Molding Machine.
I am an electronic and industrial engineer, and this is the exact work I do, and I fell happy there is a channel in UA-cam which does the same work while other channels think electronics's are only in IoT. Big like from me
My dude! Great video....I have a Sauter turret, also VDI30, but it has live tooling capability. It's electro-hydraulic so I will be stuck with a noisy pump, I think. I would like to understand more of the coding aspect required to make it actuate....like how does the T command send a signal to the turret and what kind of signal is it? Thanks.
@@ActionBOX Does the Sauter drive in the turret look for a 24VDC pulse, or constant voltage? And does it handle the lock/unlock itself, or is it looking for that command from the PLC? Just trying to sort out how much the CNC is doing and how much the internal drive is doing. Thanks!
Awesome project! Honestly an amazing deal for 1500 as long as you got the space, knowledge and skills! My only concern is 24:28, doesn't the constant stress of the motor weighing down on the plastic bracket cause it to creep overtime? Can't wait to see the vacuum furnace build!!
Good point. The answer is perhaps. I dont use this as an industrial lathe (24/7) I use it as needed everyone and then so I anticipate the piece will last longer than me. Regardless, the beauty in this project is that I can just reprint a new on in 4 hours and replace the part. We have some really cool videos coming out once a week for the next little while, so stay tuned. Looking forward to your comments in our new videos. Dave
I have concerns with the clamping mechanism. If a bolt sheers from fatigue the work could leave the chuck. Why did you choose to remove hydraulics? The accuracy of clamping pressure is Vital for thin wall parts and repeatability.
Seems, per the comments, that it would have been wiser to have the chuck constantly activated via a spring, and then use the actuator to open the chuck instead. this would act as a failsafe. Good catch.
@@ActionBOX Yes that would be wise. Still would have the problem of controlling clamping pressure for repeatability. Maybe have the spring load tension variable with a nut. Similar to a shock absorber.
Why set up the tool callout like that? (Ex. T1 M6) Usually for lathes we use GCODE like T0101 so we can call different offsets with the same tool. That helps when you have an insert drill that you can also use as a boring bar (T0404 1/2 insert drill, T0414 side of insert drill for boring operations)
Good job my friend! 🦾🦾🦾🦾 I recently started retrofitting a CNC lathe CYCLONE DENFORD. I've even uploaded the first videos but there's a ton of work and unforeseen faults, e.g. spindle bearings or slides glued to the guides. Pozdrawiam z Polski 🛠🛠
My friend, I feel your pain. This is definitely a very demanding project. Good on you for sticking with it. Let me know if we can help in any way. How long have you been working on it so far?
@@ActionBOX It's hard to say because it's a side project. The machine arrived on August 18. Until now: I dismantled the covers (they are waiting for laser cleaning) I washed the machine and parts I ripped apart the control cabinet I shortened the table/base, painted it and added adjustable wheels I cleaned the revolver, changed the seals - waiting for the motor (I'll also add a stepper motor) I dismantled the spindle - the bearings are destroyed I glued new slides to the guides - they need to be machined and scraped For now I'm doing fine but if you have any problems please help, thank you :)
Incredible channel tbh. I got recommended the CNC one just a few weeks ago and I’m fully caught up now. Excited for the metal 3d printer video. Don’t know how you’ll keep it up with these impressive builds but please do.
Thank you so much! It really means a lot to hear that you enjoy our videos. I’m glad you are on the journey with us. We have quite a few impressive videos coming out in the next few weeks so stay tuned. Cheers
Check out our video of our DIY Metal Injection Molding Machine next week. the metal printer is coming a few weeks after that. Yes the sintering is required. Cheers, Dave
Thank you, im glad you enjoyed. Yes that video will come out in about 3-4 weeks. over the next week or two we will launch a video of our Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine. I am super excited for it as it's likely the coolest machine we have ever built. Stay tuned to see that. Cheers, Dave
That is epic! Did you forget to edit in a short segment on the draw tube system actually working? Did I understand correctly that it enables the chuck to be powered?
Very creative idea! It's amazing how simple the electronics are now compared to the early industrial machines. Getting the ways square on a DIY machine is a real challenge. Wish I had the space for one of these ;-)
@@ActionBOX Sure! I've attached some shortened image links at the bottom of the machine and one of the parts it made. Keep in mind I'm a college student on a pretty tight budget so it's not the most glamorous machine, especially compared to the stuff you've made. Total cost was around $150. The bed and headstock are 3d printed shells with a concrete rebar+wire mixture poured in them. Motor needs replacement as it's only 250W and struggles a bit with torque. Entire spindle and chuck mounting arrangement was made by me on a university lathe. Electronics are functional if not nice looking. I made the carriage and all the aluminum components on my equally jank budget CNC router. I can send images of that as well if you want, but that's it's own thing. Overall I'm pretty happy with how it turned out since it's definitely one of the more ambitious projects I've done. Still on my to-do list is a tailstock, a better toolpost mount, since the current one is really weird, and a few other quality improvements. Lathe: tinyurl.com/3954mwnd Test Part: tinyurl.com/2ssh9msf
@@ActionBOX Sure! Do you have a good way for me to send images? I made a comment earlier going over the general construction that I think got deleted due to having image links in it.
hahah, sounds like you are speaking from experience. Yes I learned the hard way that the paint seems to be destroyed by the coolant. Currently working on a solution.
Awesome find, those old Emcos are built like a tank! I know I own two. 😊 Oh yeah, the old electronics are worth something. Sinumerik parts are well built!
@@ActionBOXWell, not something you think when you get the complete machine for pennies. How fast can you spin the spindle, seems a bit slow? The original depends on the model can turn to 4000rpm and and you want that on smaller parts.
"Oh and by the way im also building a vacuum furnace" Just a casual mention there. Youve hust gained a new subscriber mate. this channel, Your engineering knowledgeable, passion and explanation is absolutely phenomenal.
Pretty sure you are checking runout not concentricity. But cool build, nonetheless! If you are looking for someone to do some 5 axis machining for your projects. I’d love to help out!
@@ActionBOX Do you have a bot or mod that moderates the comments? My response to answer your question and provide my IG profile name seems to continue to be deleted.
Industrial maintenance technician here wondering about you electronic chunk clamp...you used a m60 lock nut for that but what retains that nut without the lock washer that goes with it? 😅
I've been using masso for years and haven't ever had any issues. I own 2 G3's on two machines with tool changers that never had a single problem. If I ever build another machine that's the controller I'll buy again.
@@ActionBOX that's odd. I've never had any issues with mine. And I flash every latest firmware they release. I did have a issue with my toolchanger once but I flashed back to the previous firmware and it went away. As anything, it depends on what you're using it for determines what issues you'll find. I've gotten lucky I guess. Lol.
The spring load for the collet is better solution. The LinuxCNC + mesa cards not need other electronics as an Ardiuno. (you can program it inside the software)
Will this run DC servos I was curious the lathe that I have has DC servos. It's a rhino robotics ST8 CNC turret lathe. IT was used for teaching the controller was malfunctioning and the company went out of business. it's in good condition so I want to get a modern controller for it.
Wow every minute of this video would be 1 video from a "common" youtuber This is really impressive, great job. If I make a CNC in the future I will take a look at this Masso controller, it looks pretty good!
I love this so much. I was born into the wrong situation. I have the capacity but have no clue how to bridge the gap from where I am to get to this point. It's awesome to watch you work though, great content!
As a professional Mazak Field Engineer, i'm pretty impressed about your project. Hopefully, when I retire in about 10 Years I will find he time to do something similar 😊
Love it. If you enjoyed this video then you would absolutely appreciate the videos we will be releasing over the next couple of weeks. We have a DIY Metal Injection Molding Machine coming next week.
Thank you very much. Finding the lathe is a bit of a waiting game but when something pops up it will be worth it. Let me know if we can help in any way.
Nice video, did you realy need the 16C collet? You got it in a lot, but they are expensive. I would like to see a Chiron cnc mill, the one with a unbrella tool changer on top. They are common and qiut cheap.
Hello I did retrofit my Bridgeport Boss 8 with Masso CNC and I have a old Hardinge cobra 65 lathe with Fanuc 21t controller and I can't get it to work think on retrofit it with Masso CNC just do I have to swap all the motors
Probably not. It's just a matter of understanding what signals your motor drivers are looking for and then confirming that your controller can provide that, and also knowing how to connect the wires properly from the controller to the driver.
Do I need/want to make one of these? No, but Im still gonna watch and comment to help your video analytics, even if its only a little bit. You guys always make fantastic content, and I hope your channel keeps growing, and that you get to do more and more projects in the future :)
haha, Thanks a bunch Kyle, We appreciate it. I look forward to your comment on our video next week. We built a DIY Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine. it's awesome.
nice retrofit, only one thing you should put a locking nut on the drawbar so that it cant come loose while its rottating, or glue it with something like the green or red loctite
Hello! I have a question about the giveaway, will the winners be announced publicly? i would love to shred plastic for use on my DIY 3D filament extruder!
Hello! Yes, the winners will be announced publicly on our community page, and will also be emailed privately for their shipping information. Good luck!🤞
I thought I was going to watch something cool, but instead I learned a new use for a tool I already have, never considered using the centro in the lathe, thanks for the great idea guys
Considering how many CNCs get sold for scrap metal when the controller or drive motors die, this feels like way too easy of a project! I mean, obviously it was a lot of work, but to revive a potentially garbage machine into a fully functional (if a bit lower powered) for a couple thousand is pretty amazing. I'm trying to convince my manager to let me build a machine shop to bring some production in house, and if I can buy a machine at auction for cheap while risking it being dead, but revivable for the cost of a new controller and some motors, that makes it much more achievable. We only really need to work up to around 3" of aluminum, so this amount of power would be perfect for us and save tens of thousands a year in metal shop costs for us.
Hahaha, thanks for the support. I hope you are able to learn something new about how CNC lathes are built and work. We have a bunch of other cool videos coming out like a desktop metal injection molding machine.
Where did you buy such an expensive machine for that scrap value? Also, it would be cool if you posted how much time and money you put into these videos. This is downright impressive
You can use system similar too hsk/SK tool changer drawbar with bevel springs and use electric actuator to unclamp the chuck. Now in your system the bearing is the weakest part because it is carrying all of the clamping force. in my opinion the bearing is prone to failure due to overheat or overload Sorry for my English it's not my native language
@@ActionBOX Well, I did my retrofit with Linuxcnc and wrote and entire toolchanger program in C, and I would recommend setting up a 4 bit switch and ditching the encoder and stepper on the tool changer. or use a 8 bit optical encoder disc. each bit with it's own signal. But yeah the maso stuff is interesting. I stuck with teh stock DC servos and I upgraded the drives to siemens and glentek.
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Shout out to the seller for being so generous with his time and allowing you to turn this all into content.
Ditto that!
The sellers were amazing individuals. I appreciate and respect them for all they have done.
Shout out to you hard work! Impressive! By the way where do I look if I want to buy a used machine like this?
What kind of lathe was this originally (brand name)
@@TheHBPencil. its an emco
Anyone who has moved a big lathe with small equipment is applauding how easy the editing made this look. Dont be fooled, this is a serious undertaking. Many hours were spent planning how to safely move these parts with a multitude of constraints. Well done man!
Thank you very much. This is very true.
I hope you enjoyed the video 😃
Yes Definitely. I've had the pleasure of replacing the motor Brushes in a 1983 Mori-Seiki SL-2B. It was a 4 Brush, 15hp, DC Shunt Motor... Moving that motor out just a few inches took some planning! That was about 9 years ago. Still using machine today and still holds .0001" tolerances, or .00254 mm
It's really not that difficult - I just moved a CNC lathe a couple of months ago. Step 1, rent a forklift, step 2 borrow (or rent) a truck - only takes a couple of hours, and you don't completely f' up all the alignment of the entire machine. I don't know where this "we'll just tear it all apart and rebuild it from scratch" approach comes from, but it's about the stupidest way to do this you can possibly come up with. Old CNC controls are really easy to fix, if you're even slightly competent at electronics repair. It's a lot faster / easier / cheaper to fix what's there than it is to rip and replace, but this channel is always focused on doing things the dumb way, so... par for the course
@@gorak9000 frame-off restoration is a thing in antique automotive world. Same applies here...
Haven't moved a lathe but did move a big milling machine several years ago. Yeah..that sucked.
"wait, if I'm going to buy a container, I might as well buy something that I can use at home." Thank you for teaching mindful consumption!
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You've put in a lot of work, and it looks good! Just an FYI, your drawtube actuator is pulling against the spindle bearings. The original actuator "floats" and pulls against the spindle itself so the spindle bearings are not constantly under load. This is typically also how the drawbar works in a CNC mill. A better design might be to use the die springs between the drawtube and the spindle tube. Then you just need an actuator to "unclamp" the springs, again, like a CNC mill drawbar. That system would not work for a chuck though, since it needs to clamp over a much wider range.
I might need you to elaborate as I dont think I understand, but with a CNC mill drawbar there is a built in spring mechanism which pulls its back. In the Lathe this did not exist. maybe it exists in modern designs but definitely not in this old machine. Thanks again for watching and looking froward to your reply
@@ActionBOX Correct, you would have to make it. The original hydraulic actuator is just a hydraulic ram that pulls the drawtube on one end and pushes against the rotating spindle tube on the other end. It can pull on the drawtube as hard as it wants and there is no load transferred to the spindle bearings. With your design, any time the drawtube is pulled by the actuator, the thrust load is transferred to the spindle bearings. The spindle bearings are rated for a lot of axial load, but it's still not a good practice.
@@WatchWesWork I love Watching Wes Work... This makes me remember why I love it. Knowledge shared between professionals here.
Could a stack of Belleville washers work or is that too small. I know they use Belleville washers for mill drawbars on pull studs.
@@WatchWesWork @WatchWesWork regardless they will wreck the spindle bearings pretty fast doing it like that. But not sure they could get away with a different solution unless that large circular plate with holes spin with the spindletube. cuz then a hollow thru hydraulic ram that spins with the machine should work, and have to be disconnected if running it manually or have a slipring that can transfer pressure fitted to it.
This channel is criminally undersubscribed. You have the quality, knowledge, entertainment & engagement value of a 2+Million channel.
This comment made my day, I appreciate you. we shall see what happens.
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I think the problem of this channel are the videos. You cannot actually see the detail of the process, everything happens too fast. It is more about the achievement than the process. I think a project like this, as well as all the others deserved to be divided in 3 different videos, at least.
Very correct
That’s funny. I was thinking, what is this, a machinist video for children? I can’t imagine I’ll ever watch another video here, never mind subscribe. But that’s the great thing about this platform, something for everyone.
There is so much value in these old machines.
a ton of value. What did you think of the project?
@@ActionBOX It's inspiring. I've been looking at old machines for years, dreaming of doing exactly what you've done. It's a shame how many of these old machines get scrapped. To breath new life into them in such a way that you understand exactly how they work, and exactly how to repair them, is as good as CNC gets. I'd rather have a machine that I restored, and modified myself as opposed to anything brand new. Really well done, you guys should be proud :)
@@dieselphiend I really appreciate this comment. It's crazy that we could get these massive machines for almost free, and with a bit of time and learning we can have them back up and running again. Whats holding you back from doing the same thing?
@@ActionBOX Space, I need more space. I've got a 48" CNC router that I still need to figure out where to put. I've considered mounting it to the ceiling, lol.
@@dieselphiend hahaha, thats hilarious. do you have links to this anywhere? would love to see it.
Just tip from a CNC machinist... The closer you have the part to the work hold (in this case the collet) the less chatter you will have. Your chess piece came out pretty good, but if you want that fine finish with the rainbow sheen on it, you want the most rigid set up possible. That goes for work piece AND tooling. The less you stick out the tooling, the more rigid it will be! Awesome video!
You are absolutely right, good call! It made the filming a little difficult to have it so close but you are absolutely correct.
I loved this video. I am a second year electromechanical engineering student and I like how you break down your thought process and your clever solutions for each problem.
Thanks! It's really rewarding to help people learn, so I'm glad you found it helpful.
Wow, this video makes it look effortless! I'm sure you spent sooo much time on it! Very cool!
We spent a lot of time on this video, but we had a great time making it!
Damn...you guys rock, always a smile on my face when i get a notification of new videos from you guys, why you are still full-time employed is hard to understand, as you have made equipment that would easily be sellable into the maker community, hope you make that transition
I really appreciate this comment. Thank you for your support and kind words. If you love our videos then you will enjoy the next few weeks as we will be releasing a video every week. Making the transition you describe is difficult with such huge machines, but we have a Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine video coming out perhaps next week (pictures already on our website), so that might help.
Thanks again
Dave
Another excellent project! On the collet closer, the draw tube should close under spring pressure (springs rotate with the spindle) and only be opened with your linear actuator. That way the thrust bearings and actuator only have to function during collet release much reducing wear (and heat). Also means you are not putting axial pressure on the spindle bearings during normal operation. Same principle as an automotive clutch.
Wow, Philip as I was reading your comment I was realizing how much better your solution is than mine. Where were you when I was building this machine haha.
Can you share a link to an example of one of these mechanisms so I can get a better visual?
Hope you enjoyed the video.
Cheers,
Dave
lol, This was my only criticism I could think of too. I was wondering how long that tiny thrust bearing would last running constantly under load.
Will not work. You need to be able to clamp the internal diameter too. There is reason hydraulics were used in the original lathe.
@@gioben5444 I dont understand what you are saying
@@HuskyMachining Seems like a popular opinion, This is one of my favorite aspects of posting a video on UA-cam, I get feedback that I have not considered. Thank you very much.
That's huge! I'm working currently on a CNC lathe too, but that's tons of work. Btw what is that in front of the main spindle? Is that a tailstock of any kind or a second spindle?
I am well aware, I check in with your channel every now and then. Great stuff you do and I would love to collaborate with you on our Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine (video coming out in 1 - 2 weeks). To answer your question that was a massive tailstock, not a spindle.
Cheers,
Dave
@@ActionBOX So great to hear that you check in some time! :) If you'd like to contact with me just let me know. Metal injection molding machines are really interesting stuff too - I'd love to build one in the future but that needs tons of knowledge for sure too. Btw what kind of tailstock is that? Hydraulic? Pneumatic? Electric motor? Are you going to use it? I'm going to make a pneumatic tailstock for my lathe with electro-pneumatic pressure valve control (0-10V from panel). Keep up your work! Greetings!
@@GBWM_CNC The tailstock was Hydraulic. I converted it to Electric and then realized I just dont need it in my machine for the type of work I do, so I pulled it out.
@@ActionBOX That makes sense!
Bloody hell. As a CNC machinist 25+ years and someone who used to fix and repair machines, you have done an absolutely amazing job. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you so much. I really appreciate hearing that from a professional after all that hard work. Any tips you would give me for improvement?
WOW!!! This is incredible. you're showing what is possible for people to do at home these days with some intense research, willingness to learn and some determination all this can be accessible to a lot of people
I've been following you guys since your humble beggining and I am really impressed by how things are evolving... Both of you are lucky to have each other but also having many supportive people around you... I think in a couple of years you will have your own factory if things continue to progress at this pace. On my side I just wish to have a bit of luck to find some people that hare supprotive and helpful as alone I cannot get much done.
The color coding of moving parts is genius and simple
hahah, thank you. It actually turned out looking pretty nice as well. what are your thoughts on the bright orange and black?
You folks make some of the best UA-cam videos I've ever seen. You are truly talented.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that. We have a Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine that we made which you would love if you enjoyed this. stay tuned, video coming out in 1-2 weeks.
Nice, but stop mesuring concentricity outside bore. It’s not what matters - measure on the mating surface.
You’re right, measuring concentricity on the outside was unwise. We will make sure to focus on the mating surface moving forward.
Other than that did you find any other issues that we can focus on?
Thank you for the good tip.
That is a great point. Things could be very different.
Saw this in the group. It took a week but got around to it. Good stuff. Only issue i saw is you only need to run enough part stickout to have clearance for the tool changer/tools. You can rough faster and it's not as tough on your tools.
DIY?!? This is legit insane. I really enjoy your simplistic approach to a complicated machine and your "get it done" attitude. You and your brother have earned my subscription, kudos and good luck!
Thanks so much, we are glad you enjoy the content, we are always working on getting it done!
Looks great! I did CNC servo conversions of my manual machines years ago, then upgraded, but not to true professional machines. Reminds me of when I went from Cincinatti to Detroit to get a Tormach Mill and get it home to my garage all solo... Then it didn't fit in the garage so had to partially disassemble it in the dark to get it to fit so I could return the trailer. Couldn't get it off the trailer, so dragged it off with my lawn tractor lol. How many RPM you getting out of the spindle? looks really low. Your controller and pendant are laughably cheap compared to even just a few years ago. Nice to see this all get more affordable!
I feel your pain, but I'm glad to know Im not alone in this hahah. My spindle RPM is indeed low with a maximum of 3000RPM, but it's perfect for my home shop needs. Thank you for your support.
Starting my own machine shop in my home garage and ive bounced around the idea of doing this exact thing. Thank you for the motivation and your work came out amazing. As well as the controller unit. Really enjoy the asthetics of it all.
i hope you kept the original servo. as you can run it at much lower power then its rated if you replace the controller. or it still works
I still have them but im thinking of recycling them. I cant think of any need for them.
@@ActionBOX sell them as spare parts. Probably gonna get much more than scrap value
It's good to have you back guys, your knowledge and effort you put in your videos always amazes me!
Thank you very much. We are launching some cool videos over the next few weeks so make sure to check in. next week is a DIY Metal Injection Molding Machine.
I am an electronic and industrial engineer, and this is the exact work I do, and I fell happy there is a channel in UA-cam which does the same work while other channels think electronics's are only in IoT. Big like from me
Thank you for the support! It's great to hear from someone with a similar background.
My dude! Great video....I have a Sauter turret, also VDI30, but it has live tooling capability. It's electro-hydraulic so I will be stuck with a noisy pump, I think. I would like to understand more of the coding aspect required to make it actuate....like how does the T command send a signal to the turret and what kind of signal is it? Thanks.
Thats awesome, Im jealous of your live tooling haha. Can you elaborate on your question about controlling the turret?
Ps. Dont forget to subscribe
@@ActionBOX Does the Sauter drive in the turret look for a 24VDC pulse, or constant voltage? And does it handle the lock/unlock itself, or is it looking for that command from the PLC? Just trying to sort out how much the CNC is doing and how much the internal drive is doing. Thanks!
Awesome project! Honestly an amazing deal for 1500 as long as you got the space, knowledge and skills!
My only concern is 24:28, doesn't the constant stress of the motor weighing down on the plastic bracket cause it to creep overtime?
Can't wait to see the vacuum furnace build!!
Good point. The answer is perhaps. I dont use this as an industrial lathe (24/7) I use it as needed everyone and then so I anticipate the piece will last longer than me. Regardless, the beauty in this project is that I can just reprint a new on in 4 hours and replace the part.
We have some really cool videos coming out once a week for the next little while, so stay tuned. Looking forward to your comments in our new videos.
Dave
I have concerns with the clamping mechanism. If a bolt sheers from fatigue the work could leave the chuck. Why did you choose to remove hydraulics? The accuracy of clamping pressure is Vital for thin wall parts and repeatability.
Seems, per the comments, that it would have been wiser to have the chuck constantly activated via a spring, and then use the actuator to open the chuck instead. this would act as a failsafe. Good catch.
@@ActionBOX Yes that would be wise. Still would have the problem of controlling clamping pressure for repeatability. Maybe have the spring load tension variable with a nut. Similar to a shock absorber.
That's so cool! What is even left to add? A stock feeder?
WOW!!! Great video! That was a lot of hard work. How long did this process take?
I don’t think many people can convince how much knowledge of engineering, mechanics ,electronics it takes to build something like this. Awesome job
Thank you very much, it definitely took a lot of effort.
Why set up the tool callout like that? (Ex. T1 M6) Usually for lathes we use GCODE like T0101 so we can call different offsets with the same tool. That helps when you have an insert drill that you can also use as a boring bar (T0404 1/2 insert drill, T0414 side of insert drill for boring operations)
Good job my friend! 🦾🦾🦾🦾 I recently started retrofitting a CNC lathe CYCLONE DENFORD. I've even uploaded the first videos but there's a ton of work and unforeseen faults, e.g. spindle bearings or slides glued to the guides. Pozdrawiam z Polski 🛠🛠
My friend, I feel your pain. This is definitely a very demanding project. Good on you for sticking with it. Let me know if we can help in any way. How long have you been working on it so far?
@@ActionBOX It's hard to say because it's a side project. The machine arrived on August 18. Until now:
I dismantled the covers (they are waiting for laser cleaning)
I washed the machine and parts
I ripped apart the control cabinet
I shortened the table/base, painted it and added adjustable wheels
I cleaned the revolver, changed the seals - waiting for the motor (I'll also add a stepper motor)
I dismantled the spindle - the bearings are destroyed
I glued new slides to the guides - they need to be machined and scraped
For now I'm doing fine but if you have any problems please help, thank you :)
Awesome video! Super impressed with what you've been able to accomplish and your background as an R&D engineer is clear.
Thank you very much. I hope you enjoyed. Stay tuned for our really cool videos coming out in the next 3 weeks.
Incredible channel tbh. I got recommended the CNC one just a few weeks ago and I’m fully caught up now. Excited for the metal 3d printer video. Don’t know how you’ll keep it up with these impressive builds but please do.
Thank you so much! It really means a lot to hear that you enjoy our videos. I’m glad you are on the journey with us. We have quite a few impressive videos coming out in the next few weeks so stay tuned. Cheers
Any update on the metal 3d printer? and do the printed parts need stintering ? Thank you
Check out our video of our DIY Metal Injection Molding Machine next week. the metal printer is coming a few weeks after that. Yes the sintering is required.
Cheers,
Dave
Is the spindle servo encoded to allow threading? Also, what are the specs on the spindle motor?
Loved the video. Very well made. Will there also be a video of fixing up the haas mill?
Thank you, im glad you enjoyed. Yes that video will come out in about 3-4 weeks. over the next week or two we will launch a video of our Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine. I am super excited for it as it's likely the coolest machine we have ever built. Stay tuned to see that. Cheers, Dave
That is epic! Did you forget to edit in a short segment on the draw tube system actually working? Did I understand correctly that it enables the chuck to be powered?
Thank you very much. We did in fact omit that footage, but we showed the completed assembly and the movement is minimal regardless.
did you use servo with brakes to stop when power is gone?
What brand motors did you use? They look like Yaskawa but I can't tell for sure.
I used a cheap offshore brand.
Please put out that DIY Metal 3D Printer video! I am very excited to learn from it and hopefully build a version of that.
It's coming. we have our Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine video coming out first (INJEKTO M) and after that the printer
@@ActionBOX Great news! I am very excited for both the videos! All the best man!
Is amazing to see how much space was saved right after the upgrade.... well done! :)
Absolutely.
Very creative idea! It's amazing how simple the electronics are now compared to the early industrial machines. Getting the ways square on a DIY machine is a real challenge. Wish I had the space for one of these ;-)
Adam is such a great sport. Helps you with disassembly, lets you use his garage... BIG like from me.
These are the coolest sellers I ever met. I really appreciate them.
This came out the same day I finished my CNC mini lathe from scratch!
hahah, thats awesome. I would love to see it. Are you willing to share some pics with us?
@@ActionBOX Sure! I've attached some shortened image links at the bottom of the machine and one of the parts it made. Keep in mind I'm a college student on a pretty tight budget so it's not the most glamorous machine, especially compared to the stuff you've made. Total cost was around $150. The bed and headstock are 3d printed shells with a concrete rebar+wire mixture poured in them. Motor needs replacement as it's only 250W and struggles a bit with torque. Entire spindle and chuck mounting arrangement was made by me on a university lathe. Electronics are functional if not nice looking. I made the carriage and all the aluminum components on my equally jank budget CNC router. I can send images of that as well if you want, but that's it's own thing. Overall I'm pretty happy with how it turned out since it's definitely one of the more ambitious projects I've done. Still on my to-do list is a tailstock, a better toolpost mount, since the current one is really weird, and a few other quality improvements.
Lathe: tinyurl.com/3954mwnd
Test Part: tinyurl.com/2ssh9msf
@@ActionBOX Sure! Do you have a good way for me to send images? I made a comment earlier going over the general construction that I think got deleted due to having image links in it.
Thats crazy i never understood cnc lathes but breaking one down made it soo clear damn thanks
Im happy you could learn from this video. We have another similar one coming out about the CNC mill we bought in the video.,
How's the paint holding up to coolant and oils?
hahah, sounds like you are speaking from experience. Yes I learned the hard way that the paint seems to be destroyed by the coolant. Currently working on a solution.
Doing all this and a full time R&D job!
That must pay incredibly well because those machines are not cheap. 😅
I got this same project happening on a mori seki sl-4.
I might need your help a little on the tool turret part.
Hey, nice to see you guys again
Love your videos
Welcome back! We have a barrage of videos coming out this month including a desktop metal injection molding machine. Subscribe and stay tuned.
Wow you make it look so easy. For me it would take a year.
Thank you
Awesome find, those old Emcos are built like a tank! I know I own two. 😊
Oh yeah, the old electronics are worth something. Sinumerik parts are well built!
thats good to know. Its too bad I recycled that massive spindle motor for $50
@@ActionBOXWell, not something you think when you get the complete machine for pennies. How fast can you spin the spindle, seems a bit slow? The original depends on the model can turn to 4000rpm and and you want that on smaller parts.
"Oh and by the way im also building a vacuum furnace"
Just a casual mention there.
Youve hust gained a new subscriber mate. this channel, Your engineering knowledgeable, passion and explanation is absolutely phenomenal.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!
Subbed. What exactly are the 110v servo motors and servo drivers?
Holy shit, crazy deal u got and your engineering background knowledge is very showing. Very proud
I really appreciate that, it was a ton of work and I'm glad it's appreciated
Does the controller for your lathe have conversational programming
Yes it does
@ActionBOX thank you
Pretty sure you are checking runout not concentricity. But cool build, nonetheless! If you are looking for someone to do some 5 axis machining for your projects. I’d love to help out!
Good point, with the dial indicator indeed I was. I will keep your offer in mind as we always have parts we need made. Where about are you located?
@@ActionBOX Do you have a bot or mod that moderates the comments? My response to answer your question and provide my IG profile name seems to continue to be deleted.
@@terrellbradshaw3504 its probably just youtube being youtube. They auto moderate a lot of comments.
Industrial maintenance technician here wondering about you electronic chunk clamp...you used a m60 lock nut for that but what retains that nut without the lock washer that goes with it? 😅
Guilty. I was going to use a secondary nut to lock the first if needed. Good call.
I've been using masso for years and haven't ever had any issues. I own 2 G3's on two machines with tool changers that never had a single problem. If I ever build another machine that's the controller I'll buy again.
It definitely has a ton of issues and software bugs. It doesn’t run some useful code like g83 tapping cycles.
@@ActionBOX that's odd. I've never had any issues with mine. And I flash every latest firmware they release. I did have a issue with my toolchanger once but I flashed back to the previous firmware and it went away. As anything, it depends on what you're using it for determines what issues you'll find. I've gotten lucky I guess. Lol.
The spring load for the collet is better solution.
The LinuxCNC + mesa cards not need other electronics as an Ardiuno. (you can program it inside the software)
Will this run DC servos I was curious the lathe that I have has DC servos. It's a rhino robotics ST8 CNC turret lathe. IT was used for teaching the controller was malfunctioning and the company went out of business. it's in good condition so I want to get a modern controller for it.
Wow every minute of this video would be 1 video from a "common" youtuber
This is really impressive, great job.
If I make a CNC in the future I will take a look at this Masso controller, it looks pretty good!
Thanks for watching! Let us know if we can help.
You made all that look easy. Nice!
Pretty amazing that you fit this story into one video. Other guys give us many months of detail when attempting something similar. Both are fun!
We appreciate you watching! glad you enjoyed.
This is beyond impressive!! Your knowledge is wild.
I love this so much. I was born into the wrong situation. I have the capacity but have no clue how to bridge the gap from where I am to get to this point. It's awesome to watch you work though, great content!
As a professional Mazak Field Engineer, i'm pretty impressed about your project. Hopefully, when I retire in about 10 Years I will find he time to do something similar 😊
Happy to hear that coming from a professional. Thank you for watching.
Wow just wow. This was so entertaining i didnt want it to end. Subbed
Love it. If you enjoyed this video then you would absolutely appreciate the videos we will be releasing over the next couple of weeks. We have a DIY Metal Injection Molding Machine coming next week.
AMAZING build and great find of an old lathe. Now I just need a bigger space!
Thank you very much. Finding the lathe is a bit of a waiting game but when something pops up it will be worth it. Let me know if we can help in any way.
@ActionBOX @ActionBOX I am in the middle of updating a bridgeport boss 6 with a Masso controller. Can't wait to get it up and running.
Nice video, did you realy need the 16C collet? You got it in a lot, but they are expensive.
I would like to see a Chiron cnc mill, the one with a unbrella tool changer on top. They are common and qiut cheap.
it was a 20C collet which is even more expensive hahah. I am just going to stick to 5C collets wherever I can
とても良い機械だ。
私も日本でcncを作っている。
Very cool.
You're making a vacuum furnance too??? Awesome.
You got it, we have a video about it coming out soon. Dont forget to subscribe to be notified. Looking forward to your comment on that video Joel
Very cool, thanks! Would love to see some more in depth discussion of the engineering process (research, calculations, trade offs etc.)
Sounds good. We will try to make a follow up video like we did with our diy cnc mill.
Hello I did retrofit my Bridgeport Boss 8 with Masso CNC and I have a old Hardinge cobra 65 lathe with Fanuc 21t controller and I can't get it to work think on retrofit it with Masso CNC just do I have to swap all the motors
Probably not. It's just a matter of understanding what signals your motor drivers are looking for and then confirming that your controller can provide that, and also knowing how to connect the wires properly from the controller to the driver.
Is this channel new? Why it hasn’t got millions of subscribers? This channel is insanely top notch!
Haha, thank you Lasar. Have you seen our metal plastic injection machine? I think you would like it.
Well done job! A lot of technical information and setting up the machine to work for your needs.
Glad you enjoyed it! We had a lot of fun building this.
awesome video dude, just a little tip with o ring. use silicone grease or some sort to lubricate it. it protects it better from being damaged.
Great tip! I'll give that a shot.
Do I need/want to make one of these? No, but Im still gonna watch and comment to help your video analytics, even if its only a little bit. You guys always make fantastic content, and I hope your channel keeps growing, and that you get to do more and more projects in the future :)
haha, Thanks a bunch Kyle, We appreciate it. I look forward to your comment on our video next week. We built a DIY Desktop Metal Injection Molding Machine. it's awesome.
nice retrofit, only one thing you should put a locking nut on the drawbar so that it cant come loose while its rottating, or glue it with something like the green or red loctite
Extremely talented young man. He also clearly has a relentless work ethic.
Thank you very much. I appreciate your support
Beautiful video!
Thank you very much 😃, which part did you like the most?
This guy is living in a every man's dream 😍❤ wow.. such a great work 💥
Criminally underrated channel.
Hahah. Thanks for your support 😃
Very very clever works. Congratulations !
Hi Thanks for sharing! What 3d printer do you use? Thanks!
Very impressive.. keep up the good work. You sir, are going places.
Thanks so much, I appreciate your kind words.
Dave
Hello! I have a question about the giveaway, will the winners be announced publicly? i would love to shred plastic for use on my DIY 3D filament extruder!
Hello! Yes, the winners will be announced publicly on our community page, and will also be emailed privately for their shipping information. Good luck!🤞
I wish I would be half as capable as you guys are. The stuff you pull off is insane
I thought I was going to watch something cool, but instead I learned a new use for a tool I already have, never considered using the centro in the lathe, thanks for the great idea guys
absolutely, thanks for watching.
Love this build! Nice work
Bro, you are living the dream. Congrats on making such cool tools and getting paid for it.
Considering how many CNCs get sold for scrap metal when the controller or drive motors die, this feels like way too easy of a project! I mean, obviously it was a lot of work, but to revive a potentially garbage machine into a fully functional (if a bit lower powered) for a couple thousand is pretty amazing.
I'm trying to convince my manager to let me build a machine shop to bring some production in house, and if I can buy a machine at auction for cheap while risking it being dead, but revivable for the cost of a new controller and some motors, that makes it much more achievable. We only really need to work up to around 3" of aluminum, so this amount of power would be perfect for us and save tens of thousands a year in metal shop costs for us.
I don't understand anything apart from the word crane and motor but I'd watch this for hours 😂😂😂
Hahaha, thanks for the support. I hope you are able to learn something new about how CNC lathes are built and work. We have a bunch of other cool videos coming out like a desktop metal injection molding machine.
Where did you buy such an expensive machine for that scrap value? Also, it would be cool if you posted how much time and money you put into these videos. This is downright impressive
Damn, tremendous amount of work and very cool
Thank you very much .
In drawbar you should use disc sprig to pull and electric motor to release
can you share a link with me?
@@ActionBOXLook for belleville washer
You can use system similar too hsk/SK tool changer drawbar with bevel springs and use electric actuator to unclamp the chuck.
Now in your system the bearing is the weakest part because it is carrying all of the clamping force.
in my opinion the bearing is prone to failure due to overheat or overload
Sorry for my English it's not my native language
I bought a used Cincinnati milacron cinturn 12u for $2500, spent 15k so far replacing controls drives etc, got a badass industrial lathe now however
thats awesome. we are not so different you and I haha
@@ActionBOX Well, I did my retrofit with Linuxcnc and wrote and entire toolchanger program in C, and I would recommend setting up a 4 bit switch and ditching the encoder and stepper on the tool changer. or use a 8 bit optical encoder disc. each bit with it's own signal. But yeah the maso stuff is interesting. I stuck with teh stock DC servos and I upgraded the drives to siemens and glentek.
Hi ,what is servo motor for x,z axis ?