Oneness vs Trinity (2 of 3)
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2015
- The John Ankerberg Show
Dr. Walter Martin - Christian Research Institute
Mr. Calvin Beisner - Author: GOD IN THREE PERSONS
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Dr. Nathaniel Urshan - general Superintendent - UPCI
Robert Sabin - President Apostolic Bible Institute of St. Paul, Minnesota
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I spent 5 hours in this same debate years ago. It had the same results as this one. I would never waste my time doing it again. I finally asked the man a final question to end it. "If I don't renounce the Trinity and get re baptized in Jesus name only, do you think I'm going to Hell?" He answered yes. In spite of the fact he was there with his whole adult family and their wives, he lost the debate, but like the men in this video, he refused to believe in the trinity.
Amen, these Pentecostal men are totally deceived and lost
Agree
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
John 2:19 KJV
“Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:4 KJV
Doesn’t sound like a trinity according to the scriptures…
The UPCI guy’s got schooled here, but still refused to accept it.
Exactly! They don't want to lose that money they get from their organization.
I was saved in a upc church,a few years later I was called to pastor .what happened then I had folks from different trinity churches wanting to join my church . Then I has a oneness person wanting to join but I had to believe in oneness. So I went to prayer and after much prayer God set me free so i was no longer confused this is how he did it with just one verse of scripture Matthew 28:19 the very scripture the oneness doctrine had taught many times this is what he said to me Jesus in other scripture always said heal my name cast out demons my name etc. but when it comes to ordinance of church you do it in Father Son And Holy Ghost so Acts 2:38 baptized into Jesus the body of beleivers
In 1st John 5:7 it clearly states " For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
HOW GOD & HIS SON ARE “ONE”
When Jesus said He & His Father are ONE, was He saying He IS the God Almighty Himself as both Oneness & Trinitarians use to prove?
No, “ONE” simply means “in unity”, just as we are ONE with Christ, but that does not make us Christ!
Just in the same way husband and wife are ONE yet still distinct individuals with separate wills.
Just as God Almighty is the head of Christ, who is the head of man, who is the head of woman...
John 17:21
that they may ALL BE ONE; even as You, Father, are IN me I in You, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE IN US, so that the world may believe that YOU sent Me.
John 17:22
The glory that YOU have given me “I” have given to them, that THEY MAY BE ONE even AS we ARE ONE.
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for YOU ARE ALL ONE “in” Christ Jesus.
Rom 12:5
so we, who are many, ARE ONE body in Christ, and INDIVIDUALLY MEMBERS one of another.
1 Cor 12:12
For even as the body is ONE and YET HAS MANY MEMBERS, and all the members of the body, though they MANY, are ONE body, so also is Christ.
"THE FATHER is Greater than I"
"The Father and I are one"
Jesus getting Baptized, is getting out of the water and The HOLY Spirit is floating down like a dove, The Father speaks from Heaven saying "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased"
A Vehicle has many moving parts but its one Vehicle. God- 3 moving parts. Father Son Holy Spirit
W0w! The Oneness Pentecostal doctrine just took a mighty blow from the bible, grammar and serious scholarship. It's just a shame that these wonderful sweet people won't allow themselves to have Christian fellowship with anyone outside their church. I want to accept them as my brothers and sisters in-Christ, but I can't. A real pity.
There are three distinct members of the Godhead (aka the Triune God), and there is only one God. ("Godhead" is found in Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 in the KJV)
THE FATHER: 2 Peter 1:17 KJV "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
THE SON (THE WORD): John 1:1 KJV "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
THE HOLY GHOST: Acts 5:3-4 KJV "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filed thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."
Summary: 1 JOHN 5:7 KJV "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
32:00-33:00 well said
HOW GOD & HIS SON ARE “ONE”
When Jesus said He & His Father are ONE, was He saying He IS the God Almighty Himself as both Oneness & Trinitarians use to prove?
No, “ONE” simply means “in unity”, just as we are ONE with Christ, but that does not make us Christ!
Just in the same way husband and wife are ONE yet still distinct individuals with separate wills.
Just as God Almighty is the head of Christ, who is the head of man, who is the head of woman...
John 17:21
that they may ALL BE ONE; even as You, Father, are IN me I in You, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE IN US, so that the world may believe that YOU sent Me.
John 17:22
The glory that YOU have given me “I” have given to them, that THEY MAY BE ONE even AS we ARE ONE.
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for YOU ARE ALL ONE “in” Christ Jesus.
Rom 12:5
so we, who are many, ARE ONE body in Christ, and INDIVIDUALLY MEMBERS one of another.
1 Cor 12:12
For even as the body is ONE and YET HAS MANY MEMBERS, and all the members of the body, though they MANY, are ONE body, so also is Christ.
There always be heretics who will oppose the orthodox theology and views on God, Jesus Christ and Salvation, the Jesus Only cult is one of them!.
I checked. Robert Sabin died believing in Oneness theology.
Many die believing in 3 persons of God, even though the scriptures clearly teach that Jesus is God, and God is absolutely one.
Jesus is the One True God. He’s not a Part of God, a 3rd of God, but the Fulness of God Manifested in the Flesh.
This is like: the ..... Body, MIND and Soul
These Pentecostals are lost and deceived greatly!!
A couple of other verses that support the Trinity are Matthew 12:31-32, when Jesus says ...
(31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
(32) And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
So, if oneness theology is true, how can it be that blasphemy against the Son of man (Jesus) can be forgiven, but that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be?
These verses show that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons in the Godhead.
@Bobby Gladly. First the verses...
Matthew 12:31, KJV: "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Matthew 12:32, KJV: "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Can a "force" or an "influence" (which is how some people describe the Holy Spirit) "forgive"? Obviously, only a "person" can forgive. Likewise, can we blaspheme against a force? No, we can only blaspheme against God.
Also, if there is just God who "manifested" Himself as Father, Son and Spirit, yet He is "one" God, then God is divided against Himself, since blasphemy against the Father and Son shall be forgiven, but not against the Holy Spirit.
On the other hand, if God is a triumvirate, meaning that He is literally three separate persons, but "unified" as one God, then vs 32 makes sense. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing the works of Holy Spirit to Satan which the Pharisees were doing.
@Bobby you can grieve the Holy Spirit how can you grieve an impersonal force ?
@Bobby The Bible attributes some things to the Holy Spirit which in biblical times can only have to do with personality. He sees, He feels, He hears, how can something that is not a person with no personality, how can a non-person be blasphemed or grieved?
@Bobby When I say person I do not imply material/God is spirit but Jesus is flash remember he rose bodily to the right hand of the father he still bears the marks my Messiah is a Jewish man in heaven the Holy Spirit is a person not to be confused with having a body like The son. The word became flesh it says today I have become a father to you the word became flesh he rose bodily even man is body and spirit God took man from the dirt and then breathe his life into him the breath of life we are only spiritually marred in till we receive God the holy Spirit who comes in inside of us present active continuous well Jesus present active continuously sits at the right hand face to face it says of the word I was with him the glory I shared with him in the Greek this is a face to face Stephen being full of the spirit saw Jesus standing at the right hand of the father presently actively and simultaneously satan is also a person and he’s not flesh Michael the archangel as a person you don’t have to be a bodily human to be a person
The spirit hovered over Mary to manifest the son
Just a waste of time upc believes we all going to hell or get rebaptized Jesus name
In the shema Hebrew word used is echad. Could have used yachid. . Echad" is significantly different. As opposed to "yachid" meaning "the only one," "echad" most closely means "one." More like "that one" of a group. "Echad" implies that there is another or one that is with or united and unified.
The three that bear record in heaven is not in the greek1 john 5,7
Yes it is 1Jo 5:7 - ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες εν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν
I have never heard a man ask more question s than give answers. Robert sabin attacks by asking questions he can't answer and then talks over the person while they attempt to provide the answer to the question he asks.
These oneness guys can never get past their go to verses
This is an irrelevant question really. Why waste time arguing over the names of story characters in a fairy tale book?
+Walter White,
Don't you mean it's irrelevant to you?
Walter White: woe unto you .... you blind person.... eternity in Hades... and torment without end, awaits you🔥
Sounds like you’re wasting your time also arguing against Someone you don’t believe in.
It's amazing that in the 21st century so many people still believe in an invisible sky daddy and a bronze age book of myths and fables.
And yet you are here trolling. More pathetic to you.
It’s amazing you don’t believe but I’d bet money on the fact you hate God
@@faithinjesusandfunwithfifa I hate God in the same way that you hate the pink elephants that fly over your neighborhood.
bigrigJim okay thank I love you e joy your day
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