Thank you. You are a good teacher. PS: Electronic shutter can be pretty advantageous for time-lapse videographers because they tend to take enormous amounts of shots.
Thanks Forest. I was just out in the sun and could not get the correct exposure. Something clicked in my head and I set the shutter to electronic. It worked! Now your video explains the details. Nice job!
Thanks for the clear explanation. I believe this will help me choose the correct setting. BTW, I’ve been using electronic shutter a lot for nature photography. Silent is often a better choice…
Excellent explanation! I would add one more disadvantage for electronic shutter. On some cameras, images are stored in 12 bit raw for electronic shutter, and 14 bit for mechanical shutter. This results in lower dynamic range for the electronic shutter, and thus higher noise in low light situations. I’ve confirmed this with testing on my Canon R6 II in low light, high ISO shooting.
youtube is a valuable place because of people like you. Very informative and exactly what I needed to know! thanks! p.s. I have one question: why doesn't mechanical shutter also have the rolling shutter effect? since as you said the curtain moves from top to bottom the sensor should read the information from top to bottom as well, the same as what electronic shutter does.
Thank you! That's a great question. You are correct! You actually can get very minor rolling shutter with very fast mechanical shutter speeds because of the two curtains moving together and exposing the different parts of the sensor at different times. The thing is, our cameras are so fast, we don't see or notice it in most use cases, where electronic rolling shutter is much more obvious. Here is a great forum post on Stack Exchange about it. The second answer addresses your question perfectly: electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/376797/why-is-there-no-rolling-shutter-when-using-a-mechanical-shutter#:~:text=Now%20when%20a%20mechanical%20shutter,appearing%20in%20the%20final%20image.
Thank you thank you! I am learning photography (teaching myself through reading, videos and giving it a go) and this is the ONLY video I have watched that explained this in a way I could understand. Can't wait to see your other videos! Thank you again. :)
Informative explanation. I shoot sports and travel with a Nikon Z8 which has only an electronic shutter. I was a little concerned about that at first, particularly the rolling shutter issues, but it has proven to be virtually non-existent in my uses. Of course, it helps greatly that the Z8 has a 45.7mp stacked CMOS sensor.
Thanks for the explanations! But I'm so confused about "rolling shutter". Would you not have this same issue with a mechanical shutter? As the curtains move and let light in, the subject can move as well. This should cause light poles to bend, bird wingtips to look weird, etc.. ??
That's a great question! Very observant. You actually do get a bit of rolling shutter with mechanical, it's far less than electronic though. Here's a good article explaining it: www.canon-europe.com/pro/infobank/electronic-vs-mechanical-shutter/
Great explanation of shutter behavior. I wondered if you had a recommendation, mechanical or electronic, when shooting timelapse? It seems to me that electronic would be preferred to save wear and tear on the mechanical shutter mechanism. Do you know of any disadvantage? Thanks.
@@usernamemykel get a life sad one! Learnt and learned are two spellings of the same verb. They're both common, but “learnt” is standard in British English and “learned” in American English.
Thanks for great video explaining many of my questions, except one; On a mirrorless camera, if I use mechanical shutter, how is it possible viewfinder (a display actually) continues to show what sensor sees.
I believe that the camera is interpolating the missing frames that happen when the shutter curtains close. Honestly, I'm not 100% sure though. That's a really great question.
Thanks for this video. It is really a good help. Quick question: in 5:04 there is a cable coming for your camera. What is the purpose of that cable? Have you done a video on this? Thanks again !
That is a tethering cable and is used to send images from the camera to the computer when shooting in the studio. Yep, we have videos on it, just search for "tethering" on our Channel Page.
Re banding I set my shutter speed to 1/60 for indoor and my ISO to auto. I have yet to find an issue with banding at this shutter speed. (I think the shutter just has to be slower than the flicker rate) This is on my Electronic shutter only Sigma FPL. Great video BTW. But I am curious, the say you describe the Mechanical shutter. It too exposes a thin horizontal strip of the sensor from top to bottom. Why would this not also have the diagonal line issue with side to side motion?
Thanks for this video , it's helpful.. however I am using a canon mirrorless R10 which is a hybrid of mechanical and electronic shutter.. not yet known how to switch between the two
It’s not that big difference but mechanical shutter needs more energy to run the curtains. On a mirrorless, the sensor is always on to record and send the image signal to the display/viewfinder. Taking picture means the sensor also sends the image signal to the camera memory. The camera has to do it in both shutter modes anyway but mechanical shutter needs energy to “run”. But again, it’s not that much affects to battery life. Usually reading the sensor and sending it to the viewfinder is the most power consumption thing. Depending on the settings, taking photos using viewfinder drains more battery than using display.
Can you please check that at mechanical shutter in Astro-photography gives much less camera shake ^6.22 onward. I beg to differ ... surely you meant electronic shutterZ?? Thanks
One more issue that I'm having a hard time finding answers for: What happens to dynamic range and bit rate when using silent/electronic shutter vs. mechanical shutter? Also, I'm puzzled by the comment that flash sync speed is lower with electronic shutter. None of my Sony or Panasonic cameras will sync with flash AT ALL in silent shutter mode.
Dynamic Range and Bit Depth should be the exact same on mechanical and electronic shutter as the sensor is still capturing the same information and sending it to the same image processor in both shutter types. The flash sync speed vs. shutter mode is a bit of a mystery to me too. I would recommend looking elsewhere for those answers as artificial lighting is a bit out of my wheelhouse.
@@forestchaput There are lots of cameras that have reduced bit depth with certain settings, includinge-shutter. My Panasonic G6 did, but my GX7 did not.
With the solar eclipse coming, I'm wondering if using my XT-3's electronic shutter might allow me to reduce the tiny bit of vibration the mechanical (curtains) shutter might create at longer exposures. With an effective 1200mm lens on the camera, some of the exposures (on a good tripod with a star tracker employed) might be in the 1/30th to even longer range. Does the ES giver you a little more stability in terms of just the vibration once the wired release is depressed? Thanks much
Electronic has no mechanical point of failure. But then again (because these camera companies are greedy), there will be a 2-30 cent electronic piece that could easily break after 5-7 years. It's unbelievable how a premium product just breaks like that. I've replaced a clicker on a mouse- the superior, gold plated clicker costs me roughly $1. The inferior clicker soldered by the manufacturer? That one costs 67 cents. These companies- I'm looking at you Sony, they think we're clowns and ignorant enough to buy $1-3 replacement parts for $40. Absolutely unbelievable.
They do if you use the electronic shutter. With mechanical shutter, they might have a tiny amount, but it would be imperceptible compared to electronic.
@@forestchaput ok sir thanks .sir I have also one doubt that can you tell me that when we scroll on youtube then sir are thumbnail actually moving or the screen is refreshing with time as their is illusion of motion like in videos we called their is illusion of motion we called it fps
*Can you help me, my current need is to buy a microless that supports electronic shutter to silent, but I need fast shutter speed with HSS Flash, I don't know if electronic shutter with HSS Flash has a "banding" error with speed. around 1/2000 to 1/1800? have a good day bro*
Lets talk which one is more camera friendly? Will electronic shutter increase the shutter life since it doesnt have to move curtains mechanically? Or will mechanical shutter maintain sensor health while not maybe overheating sensor in sports or long expo?
Hi...I am using Nikon z6ii and shoot in aperture mode...i m receiving more light while shooting with electronic shutter in aperture mode...why it's so?
I am a beginner in the phase of moving from a mobile camera to a beginner mirrorless camera. I am confused between EOS R50 and R10. The second one has an electronic shutter. Which one would you suggest someone like me who is completely new? Thanks.
So the wear and tear gets mentioned a lot but surely the mechanical shutter should outlive the camera? I’d hate to think they are designed to fail under normal use.
Shutters are one of the first things to wear out on most cameras - BUT - most people want a new camera well before they are at the point of the shutter wearing out.
I still don’t understand how the mechanical shutter avoids the rolling shutter.. if the curtains are still exposing just a slit of the sensor, isnt it similar to electronic?
You are actually correct. Mechanical shutters do have a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of rolling shutter (particularly at faster shutter speeds). The mechanical curtains move so fast however that it's very minimal.
@@forestchaput idk man.. there’s still some thing which im not really understanding about the difference between mechanical and line by line electronic shutter.. the global shutter in the new A9iii makes sense.. it captures everything at once..
6:22 electronic, not mechanical. Rolling shutter: there is basically no difference as mechanical also will read out the same way just slower, just like you demonstrated int he beginning, shutters also move line by line, hence there should not be a difference.
Look at it again. At slow shutter speeds, the first curtain drops way ahead of the second, exposing the entire sensor at once. It's only a super fast shutter speeds that the two curtains form a slit and basically read line by line like the electronic does all the time. However, you'd have to really pan fast to get a bent shape with mechanical.
@ACitizenOfOurWorld you are right, but at slow shutter speed, readout speed becomes nearly irrelevant due to the physics of the process. Any speed there will return same quality image, because both ways it will be milliseconds.
Mechanical shutter, shutter shock at low shutter speed. Electronic shutter, rolling shutter problem with fast birds in flight. Electronic shutter silent for close wildlife, high frame rate and shutter speed.
In general, ES is worse for fast moving subjects. The only time I would use it is for exceptionally fast moving things (think humming bird wings, cannon balls, etc.) if you're shooting normal action, MS is the choice.
@@forestchaput Ok, thanks. I'm just tremendously confused by how one can be worse for general fast things, but then somehow better for super fast things.
I don't understand the comparison... Even with mechanical shutter, sensor readout is still using rolling shutter mechanism, that is reading line by line.
Yes, the readout is still line by line, but the entire sensor is exposed to light at one time (when the shutter is open), then the data is read out line by line. With electronic, the shutter is exposed and read out line by line causing the rolling shutter issues.
you put rolling shutter as a disadvantage to electronic shutters but didn't explain how mechanical is better in that regard.. and it seems like the opposite would be true if the the electronic shutter is so much faster wouldn't the rolling shutter be way way less.. seems like you explained everything great except that one thing that i was really hoping to understand.. but maybe i just missed it
Great question! Yes, mechanical shutters do have a very small amount of rolling shutter. Here is an article that talks more about that: electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/376797/why-is-there-no-rolling-shutter-when-using-a-mechanical-shutter
@@forestchaput wow such complicated horrible answers from that link.. is there no way to explain it in a simple way? it makes no sense.. both are scanning lines but the faster one causes more warping then the slower one? .. there's got to be a simple explanation no?
I wish there was! Haha. That’s partly why I didn’t want to address that specific “gotcha” in the video. To me, the second answer on that link I sent sums it up pretty well. Both have rolling shutter, but the mechanical is just to a much lesser degree because of how quickly both curtains move.
@@forestchaput well thanks for trying.. still don't get it.. the electronic shutters scans in 1/32,000=0.00003125 seconds.. mechanical in 1/8000th=0.000125 seconds.. in a 24mp it's 6000 x 4000 rows.. so that's 0.00003125/4000.. so each row in electronic shutter scans in 0.0000000078125 seconds and 0.00003125 seconds with mechanical.. does the mechanical shutter let just one line expose at a time or a few.. maybe it lets a few lines and why it has some warp.. maybe the simple way is saying the electronic shutter can't shut off the input to each row every 0.0000000078125 seconds.. so although it reads the lines that fast it can't turn them on and off that fast... so some lines get a lot more exposure time than others.. where the mechanical shutter does turn them off.. so there's less exposure per line perhaps.. but that still makes no sense.. UNLESS.. the warp is caused by exposure from multiple time frames and not actual a time frame difference.. perhaps a time frame difference can be corrected with shift and perhaps the exposure from multiple time frames can't be as easily fixed.. totally guessing.. but i think i can make myself believe it rofl
It does and is seen when fast moving rotating objects are captured. The moving slit of the shutter will make the blades appear curved and blurred not straight and frozen. The oldest pro SLR cameras like the Nikon F I used for PJ work back in the early 70s had shutter curtains which moved horizontally across the long dimension of the frame. The effect of that can be seen in Vietnam era photos of helicopters and why many PJs in that era stayed with the Leica rangefinder instead of SLR. The horizontal moving shutter worked to an advantage when panning to follow a moving subject and blurring the background if you could pan => in the same direction the shutter moved.
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Finally! someone has answered all my questions re. electronic shutters. Thank you!
You’re welcome!
This is one of those things I never tried to learn because I didn't think I'd ever understand it.
Now I do thanks to you.
THANKS!
Glad to help!!
Thank you. You are a good teacher.
PS: Electronic shutter can be pretty advantageous for time-lapse videographers because they tend to take enormous amounts of shots.
Absolutely! Great point.
This was hugely helpful! Thanks for posting!
Glad it was helpful, thank you for watching!
Thanks Forest. I was just out in the sun and could not get the correct exposure. Something clicked in my head and I set the shutter to electronic. It worked! Now your video explains the details. Nice job!
Yay! Thank you.
Thanks for the clear explanation. I believe this will help me choose the correct setting. BTW, I’ve been using electronic shutter a lot for nature photography. Silent is often a better choice…
True!
Will not count right??not like the mechanical shutter lifespan 200k or something then die
Excellent explanation! I would add one more disadvantage for electronic shutter. On some cameras, images are stored in 12 bit raw for electronic shutter, and 14 bit for mechanical shutter. This results in lower dynamic range for the electronic shutter, and thus higher noise in low light situations. I’ve confirmed this with testing on my Canon R6 II in low light, high ISO shooting.
Great input!
How much of a difference would you say. Sports photographer here who often lives at 12500. I don't need all the fps from the electronic shutter
@@mikeytek If you don't need faster than 12FPS, I'd go with the mechanical shutter. That also eliminates the risk of rolling shutter.
This video is so far the best ever comparing both technologies. Very nice! Subscribed ✅
Thank you!
youtube is a valuable place because of people like you.
Very informative and exactly what I needed to know! thanks!
p.s. I have one question:
why doesn't mechanical shutter also have the rolling shutter effect? since as you said the curtain moves from top to bottom the sensor should read the information from top to bottom as well, the same as what electronic shutter does.
Thank you! That's a great question. You are correct! You actually can get very minor rolling shutter with very fast mechanical shutter speeds because of the two curtains moving together and exposing the different parts of the sensor at different times. The thing is, our cameras are so fast, we don't see or notice it in most use cases, where electronic rolling shutter is much more obvious. Here is a great forum post on Stack Exchange about it. The second answer addresses your question perfectly: electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/376797/why-is-there-no-rolling-shutter-when-using-a-mechanical-shutter#:~:text=Now%20when%20a%20mechanical%20shutter,appearing%20in%20the%20final%20image.
Thank you thank you! I am learning photography (teaching myself through reading, videos and giving it a go) and this is the ONLY video I have watched that explained this in a way I could understand. Can't wait to see your other videos! Thank you again. :)
You're very welcome! glad to hear that we can help!
Just the information I was looking for, and well explained. Thanks !
Best explanation ever, thanks. Working wih my X-pro 2 now for a while, saw the choice I had, but now the mystery is solved…
Thank you!
I'm new to mirrorless, thank you for this great explanation. subbed
Awesome, thank you!
Informative explanation. I shoot sports and travel with a Nikon Z8 which has only an electronic shutter. I was a little concerned about that at first, particularly the rolling shutter issues, but it has proven to be virtually non-existent in my uses. Of course, it helps greatly that the Z8 has a 45.7mp stacked CMOS sensor.
Wow, this is the absolute best answer I’ve ever heard from the internet I totally understand the process now, thank you! 🙏
Thank you! This has been the best explanation of how the electronic shutter works.
Thanks, concise and useful. Good video
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent. A born talented teacher. Lesson us more frequently. Thanks.
Great video. Exactly what i was looking for. Thank you! 💯
Glad to hear it!
Good logical explanation and summary. Thanks !
You are welcome!
Thanks for the video! The demonstration really helps! :)
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asnwered all my questions. thank you bro!
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Best explanation on this topic I have ever heard 👋👌Thanks boss ☺️
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I always have appreciated the way describe things - very clear. Thanks
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Greatly done! Very clear explanations ! thanks!
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Best explanation ❤
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All the info I needed, thank you.
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nice and clear explanation , thank you ( sony A7 IV user )
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Such an awesome explanation. Thank you.
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Thanks bud! really appreciate all the explanation. Good job!
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great video, simple, clean and to the point
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you explained it so well!
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Gr8 video. Thank YOU 🙏 very informative 🙂
Thank you ! Very good explaination.
Great explanation
EXCELLENT LESSON. THANK YOU.
Now i know. Thank you! You helped me so much 😊
Excellent video!
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Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always 👍🤗
Thank you for watching!!
Thanks for the explanations! But I'm so confused about "rolling shutter". Would you not have this same issue with a mechanical shutter? As the curtains move and let light in, the subject can move as well. This should cause light poles to bend, bird wingtips to look weird, etc.. ??
That's a great question! Very observant. You actually do get a bit of rolling shutter with mechanical, it's far less than electronic though. Here's a good article explaining it: www.canon-europe.com/pro/infobank/electronic-vs-mechanical-shutter/
HEY! You touched the sensor repeatedly @1:16! 😂
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Thank You
Great video great precise info thank you
You're welcome!
Thanks cleared that up nicely, the question is does the electronic shutter contribute to shutter count ??
Great explanation of shutter behavior. I wondered if you had a recommendation, mechanical or electronic, when shooting timelapse? It seems to me that electronic would be preferred to save wear and tear on the mechanical shutter mechanism. Do you know of any disadvantage? Thanks.
It probably go with electronic. I think the pros would vastly outweigh the cons in that situation.
wow, good explanation ............... thankyou.
You're welcome!
Very useful, thank you
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Thank you! Learnt a lot
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"Learnt"? Learned.
@@usernamemykel get a life sad one! Learnt and learned are two spellings of the same verb. They're both common, but “learnt” is standard in British English and “learned” in American English.
Thanks for the info.
You bet!
Thanks for great video explaining many of my questions, except one;
On a mirrorless camera, if I use mechanical shutter, how is it possible viewfinder (a display actually) continues to show what sensor sees.
I believe that the camera is interpolating the missing frames that happen when the shutter curtains close. Honestly, I'm not 100% sure though. That's a really great question.
Because the shutter remains open if I'm not mistaken
Nice Job!
Thanks for this video. It is really a good help.
Quick question: in 5:04 there is a cable coming for your camera. What is the purpose of that cable? Have you done a video on this? Thanks again !
That is a tethering cable and is used to send images from the camera to the computer when shooting in the studio. Yep, we have videos on it, just search for "tethering" on our Channel Page.
Thank you very much
Re banding I set my shutter speed to 1/60 for indoor and my ISO to auto. I have yet to find an issue with banding at this shutter speed. (I think the shutter just has to be slower than the flicker rate) This is on my Electronic shutter only Sigma FPL. Great video BTW. But I am curious, the say you describe the Mechanical shutter. It too exposes a thin horizontal strip of the sensor from top to bottom. Why would this not also have the diagonal line issue with side to side motion?
Thank you for the excellent explanation. What about dynamic range? Is there a difference in image quality?
Nope, there shouldn't be any difference in image quality or dynamic range. Great question.
Great Video, vvv informative
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THANKS!
You're welcome!
Great educational video :) easily explained :) didnt even know electronic shutter was a thing haha
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Thanks for this video , it's helpful.. however I am using a canon mirrorless R10 which is a hybrid of mechanical and electronic shutter.. not yet known how to switch between the two
Glad it was helpful!
Just an FYI... you've got a typo you might want to correct at 5:36. The graphic says Slient instead of Silent. Great info BTW!!
Yeah, we noticed that after upload. No way to change it now unfortunately.
And to avoid dust sticking to the sensor, what is best?
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Thank you .
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which shutter is better for panning shots?
Usually somewhere between 1/8 and 1/30th of a second.
Nice video. I think at 6.25 you mentioned to electronic shutter?
Yeah, I did. My mistake.
excellent excellent video!
Thanks Dave!
Thank you, sir, for this video.
Does electronic shutter affect the blur effect in portraits?
Not at all!
@@forestchaput thank you sir
You, my friend, geta like and a comment. Thanks for the great explanation.
Much appreciated!
Wow, thanks, thanks for help me.
Happy to help
Tnq very much
You are welcome!
Hey cool video, I have a question does one of shutter methods drain more battery life?
That's a great question. I'm not sure off the top of my head. Hopefully another commenter will have some insight.
@@forestchaput okay thanks anyway
It’s not that big difference but mechanical shutter needs more energy to run the curtains.
On a mirrorless, the sensor is always on to record and send the image signal to the display/viewfinder.
Taking picture means the sensor also sends the image signal to the camera memory. The camera has to do it in both shutter modes anyway but mechanical shutter needs energy to “run”.
But again, it’s not that much affects to battery life. Usually reading the sensor and sending it to the viewfinder is the most power consumption thing. Depending on the settings, taking photos using viewfinder drains more battery than using display.
@@thaibinh1909 thank you for the answer :)
Can you please check that at mechanical shutter in Astro-photography gives much less camera shake ^6.22 onward.
I beg to differ ... surely you meant electronic shutterZ??
Thanks
will electronic shuttter work on my zenit 12xp?
I'm not sure on that one.
One more issue that I'm having a hard time finding answers for: What happens to dynamic range and bit rate when using silent/electronic shutter vs. mechanical shutter?
Also, I'm puzzled by the comment that flash sync speed is lower with electronic shutter. None of my Sony or Panasonic cameras will sync with flash AT ALL in silent shutter mode.
Dynamic Range and Bit Depth should be the exact same on mechanical and electronic shutter as the sensor is still capturing the same information and sending it to the same image processor in both shutter types.
The flash sync speed vs. shutter mode is a bit of a mystery to me too. I would recommend looking elsewhere for those answers as artificial lighting is a bit out of my wheelhouse.
@@forestchaput There are lots of cameras that have reduced bit depth with certain settings, includinge-shutter. My Panasonic G6 did, but my GX7 did not.
With the solar eclipse coming, I'm wondering if using my XT-3's electronic shutter might allow me to reduce the tiny bit of vibration the mechanical (curtains) shutter might create at longer exposures. With an effective 1200mm lens on the camera, some of the exposures (on a good tripod with a star tracker employed) might be in the 1/30th to even longer range. Does the ES giver you a little more stability in terms of just the vibration once the wired release is depressed? Thanks much
Yes
Does electronic shutter didn't effect to shutter counter?
I think so? Not sure though.
Mechanical shutter vs electronic shutter which one is suitable for video shooting thank you
Video will always be an electronic shutter. Great question!
Whichever one won't cost me a fortune to repair when one or the other breaks
Electronic has no mechanical point of failure. But then again (because these camera companies are greedy), there will be a 2-30 cent electronic piece that could easily break after 5-7 years. It's unbelievable how a premium product just breaks like that.
I've replaced a clicker on a mouse- the superior, gold plated clicker costs me roughly $1. The inferior clicker soldered by the manufacturer? That one costs 67 cents.
These companies- I'm looking at you Sony, they think we're clowns and ignorant enough to buy $1-3 replacement parts for $40. Absolutely unbelievable.
Even if your camera has both and you're only using the electronic one, the curtain might break in the shut position.
Sir do cameras we use today weather dslr or cameras in phones also has rolling shutter pls reply
Yes to phones, no to DSLRs.
@@forestchaput sir but I read that most of the dslr has rolling shutter
They do if you use the electronic shutter. With mechanical shutter, they might have a tiny amount, but it would be imperceptible compared to electronic.
@@forestchaput ok sir thanks .sir I have also one doubt that can you tell me that when we scroll on youtube then sir are thumbnail actually moving or the screen is refreshing with time as their is illusion of motion like in videos we called their is illusion of motion we called it fps
@@forestchaput sir pls answer
*Can you help me, my current need is to buy a microless that supports electronic shutter to silent, but I need fast shutter speed with HSS Flash, I don't know if electronic shutter with HSS Flash has a "banding" error with speed. around 1/2000 to 1/1800? have a good day bro*
Lets talk which one is more camera friendly?
Will electronic shutter increase the shutter life since it doesnt have to move curtains mechanically?
Or will mechanical shutter maintain sensor health while not maybe overheating sensor in sports or long expo?
I'd say that electronic would be more friendly on the camera.
Hi...I am using Nikon z6ii and shoot in aperture mode...i m receiving more light while shooting with electronic shutter in aperture mode...why it's so?
Hmmm. That’s strange. Are you sure your exposure compensation is zeroed out in both scenarios?
@@forestchaput ya...my exposure is zero...
i have sony a7cr what i should choose?
Depends on the situation.
@@forestchaput I like landscape, macro
I am a beginner in the phase of moving from a mobile camera to a beginner mirrorless camera. I am confused between EOS R50 and R10. The second one has an electronic shutter. Which one would you suggest someone like me who is completely new? Thanks.
I would get the R10.
Great video and explanation. Earned a sub from me!
Are there any limits on how SLOW you can use an electronic shutter? (I like using silent shutter in the dark spaces)
Nope!
Banding ruined a whole concert shoot of mine haha. The lights were changing every 5 seconds and I could just not dial in the right shutter speed.
Oh man! I'm sorry.
Thanks. I
You're welcome!
So the wear and tear gets mentioned a lot but surely the mechanical shutter should outlive the camera? I’d hate to think they are designed to fail under normal use.
Shutters are one of the first things to wear out on most cameras - BUT - most people want a new camera well before they are at the point of the shutter wearing out.
I still don’t understand how the mechanical shutter avoids the rolling shutter.. if the curtains are still exposing just a slit of the sensor, isnt it similar to electronic?
You are actually correct. Mechanical shutters do have a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of rolling shutter (particularly at faster shutter speeds). The mechanical curtains move so fast however that it's very minimal.
@@forestchaput idk man.. there’s still some thing which im not really understanding about the difference between mechanical and line by line electronic shutter.. the global shutter in the new A9iii makes sense.. it captures everything at once..
What is the lifespan of an electronic shutter
Usually longer than anyone would want to own a single camera.
The banding at indoors killing me
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6:22 electronic, not mechanical. Rolling shutter: there is basically no difference as mechanical also will read out the same way just slower, just like you demonstrated int he beginning, shutters also move line by line, hence there should not be a difference.
Look at it again. At slow shutter speeds, the first curtain drops way ahead of the second, exposing the entire sensor at once. It's only a super fast shutter speeds that the two curtains form a slit and basically read line by line like the electronic does all the time. However, you'd have to really pan fast to get a bent shape with mechanical.
@ACitizenOfOurWorld you are right, but at slow shutter speed, readout speed becomes nearly irrelevant due to the physics of the process. Any speed there will return same quality image, because both ways it will be milliseconds.
Mechanical shutter, shutter shock at low shutter speed. Electronic shutter, rolling shutter problem with fast birds in flight.
Electronic shutter silent for close wildlife, high frame rate and shutter speed.
Thanks for the input!
4:53 ES is better for fast moving subjects.
6:52 ES is worse for fast moving subjects.
What?
In general, ES is worse for fast moving subjects. The only time I would use it is for exceptionally fast moving things (think humming bird wings, cannon balls, etc.) if you're shooting normal action, MS is the choice.
@@forestchaput Ok, thanks. I'm just tremendously confused by how one can be worse for general fast things, but then somehow better for super fast things.
I don't understand the comparison... Even with mechanical shutter, sensor readout is still using rolling shutter mechanism, that is reading line by line.
Yes, the readout is still line by line, but the entire sensor is exposed to light at one time (when the shutter is open), then the data is read out line by line. With electronic, the shutter is exposed and read out line by line causing the rolling shutter issues.
If electronic shutter is faster why would it produce jello effect ? Wouldn’t mechanical shutter produce jello effect at lower shutter speed ?
No, because a mechanical shutter captures the light in the scene all at the same time, where electronic shutter reads the sensor line by line.
@@forestchaput so essentially electronic shutter is slower because of slower readout time ?
you put rolling shutter as a disadvantage to electronic shutters but didn't explain how mechanical is better in that regard.. and it seems like the opposite would be true if the the electronic shutter is so much faster wouldn't the rolling shutter be way way less.. seems like you explained everything great except that one thing that i was really hoping to understand.. but maybe i just missed it
Great question! Yes, mechanical shutters do have a very small amount of rolling shutter. Here is an article that talks more about that: electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/376797/why-is-there-no-rolling-shutter-when-using-a-mechanical-shutter
@@forestchaput wow such complicated horrible answers from that link.. is there no way to explain it in a simple way? it makes no sense.. both are scanning lines but the faster one causes more warping then the slower one? .. there's got to be a simple explanation no?
I wish there was! Haha. That’s partly why I didn’t want to address that specific “gotcha” in the video. To me, the second answer on that link I sent sums it up pretty well. Both have rolling shutter, but the mechanical is just to a much lesser degree because of how quickly both curtains move.
@@forestchaput well thanks for trying.. still don't get it.. the electronic shutters scans in 1/32,000=0.00003125 seconds.. mechanical in 1/8000th=0.000125 seconds..
in a 24mp it's 6000 x 4000 rows.. so that's 0.00003125/4000.. so each row in electronic shutter scans in 0.0000000078125 seconds and 0.00003125 seconds with mechanical..
does the mechanical shutter let just one line expose at a time or a few.. maybe it lets a few lines and why it has some warp..
maybe the simple way is saying the electronic shutter can't shut off the input to each row every 0.0000000078125 seconds.. so although it reads the lines that fast it can't turn them on and off that fast... so some lines get a lot more exposure time than others..
where the mechanical shutter does turn them off.. so there's less exposure per line perhaps.. but that still makes no sense.. UNLESS.. the warp is caused by exposure from multiple time frames and not actual a time frame difference..
perhaps a time frame difference can be corrected with shift and perhaps the exposure from multiple time frames can't be as easily fixed..
totally guessing.. but i think i can make myself believe it rofl
Why doesn’t a mechanical shutter get rolling shutter when it is practically doing the same thing as the electronic one
Because a mechanical shutter captures every pixel simultaneously instead of row by row.
@@forestchaputhow’s that possible. I don’t get it
It does and is seen when fast moving rotating objects are captured. The moving slit of the shutter will make the blades appear curved and blurred not straight and frozen. The oldest pro SLR cameras like the Nikon F I used for PJ work back in the early 70s had shutter curtains which moved horizontally across the long dimension of the frame. The effect of that can be seen in Vietnam era photos of helicopters and why many PJs in that era stayed with the Leica rangefinder instead of SLR.
The horizontal moving shutter worked to an advantage when panning to follow a moving subject and blurring the background if you could pan => in the same direction the shutter moved.
I guess you're screwed with rolling shutters if you purchased a Canon R8.
Yep! But they are getting a lot better and my hunch is that electronic shutters are the future!