Incra vs Kreg -- Router Tables Winner Declared!!
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2018
- I compare Incra Ls Positioner, against the Kreg Router Fence and determine once and for all who is the clear Winner!
I am answering a question I get all the time which one is better, well watch and find out. - Навчання та стиль
I appreciate you giving the winner 1 minute in. I ended up watching the full 18 minutes because I wanted to understand why. Giving us the winner up front also made me trust you more as I didn't feel like you were stringing us along. It was refreshing - AND the content of the video was great. Thanks for this!
Thank you for watching and I appreciate your kind words.
Exactly what I wanted to say. Great video, great details from Thom, a guy who really knows what he's doing. Thom inspires confidence and trust.
Wow thank you for the kind words.
Good man, if you dont want to watch the full video, i tell you right now... loved that one. you are straight forward, to the point, top man. lots of regards for you Sir
Thank you for watching, I appreciate your kind words.
Your video sold me! I have been looking at the Incra system for a while now. I have even made an appointment to go to Dallas to meet with Incra.
You won’t be disappointed.
Great video Tom, thanks for taking the time to review these systems. I love my Kreg router table and bought a lathe for the difference in cost.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you for taking the time to do this.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Wow I remember using your original Kreg cabinet build as a good guide for building my under cabinet for my kreg table when I got it. Ready to upgrade to an Incra and low and behold you have a perfect video comparing the two. Thanks so much! Makes my decision easy.
Glad I could help
you have no idea how awesome it is to hear you say the most important part within the first minute! just awesome
Thank you. I don’t like when others take till the very last second of the video to say the answer.
Excellent video Tom, thank you for taking the time to review these systems.
Indeed, both are overestimated. For professional use, I see a much greater sense of buying a good universal machine, for example, the Hammer C3 41 performs, of course maybe something best, the initial investment is high, but when you count all the costs for various accessories ... you will find that buying and using such a machine is no longer as high as a multitude of different accessories that are questionably compatible, not to speak about the necessary space for storing all of this.
I agree if you are a pro then buy the better equipment. Thes are two great choices for home shops.
I just subscribed to your channel cause you were brave enough to just say the point up front. I instantly respect you.
Thank you. I would rather get it out of the way. Then if you want the details you can continue to watch.
Thanks Tom! Glad I went looking for Incra reviews and I got a benefit too, a comparison!
Glad I could help
Giving this a thumbs up and comment just for the comparison list. That is fantastic. Thank you.
Thank you for watching and the thumbs up.
When I decided to get a REAL router table, I also looked at both of these and some others as well. What I discovered was they were all trying to compare themselves to the Incra. So it made sense to me to just buy the Incra. That was 14 years ago and the best decision I ever made. The Incra made me a pro overnight. I am able to do things far beyond my skill level. I never get tired of playing with it. It is the flag ship of my shop. I stuck a Porter-Cable 7518 router motor in it right off the bat. Another great decision I made. No other router table system even comes close to what I have. And it is the ONLY system I recommend.
Nice setup. I do love my Incra and I also have the 7518 with the Jessem router lift.
Thanks for saying it up front!! amazing thanks!
I have the exact same system on my router table. It replaced a Jessem fence that sat on top of the Jessem table top. I liked it so well I replace the fence on my PM 66 with an Incra fence also. Can't say enough about how well I like both of them. Yes they are pricey but, like all of my Festool stuff(flame away), I think it it worth the price.
Another big plus I found with Incra is the customer service. It is top notch.
Thanks for the comparison. JimE
Thanks for watching and the comments. Incra customer service is top notch, they have helped a couple of times.
It is your money send it the way you want. I just recently purchased Festool track saw and a router with lr32 full system with pinned tracks and I wonder why it it took me so long to leave behind the old way of rail guide from Bora and Kreg. I build cabinets and the Festool system has speed that up.
@@jwar2163 Festool may not be for everyone but I'm a junkie. At 77 I have tried a lot of brands and none compare. Expensive.... yes.......... but so is good wine, cars.... you name it.
@@blackemmons . I too and finding myself hooked on festool. I have a domino 500 and was just looking at the woodpeckers adapter for it. Along with Seneca addons to adapt to the imperial system of measurement. So far I have 3 different tools from festool and the ease of use for me has been great. Looking at mft 3 system or aftermarket any thoughts in that regard
Sometimes just spending money on quality tools can save you time and frustration.
Nice review! I appreciate you cutting to the chase right off the bat, but I stuck around for the whole thing!
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Cool comparison, thanks! Question: when you used to move the incra system between tables, did you have a mounting system that was dead-on enough that you could use previous dimensions repeatable without calibration each time you moved it? What kind of mounting system did you use? Thanks!
Nice comparison. Interesting that you are wearing a Rockler shop vest. 😊
Push the kreg fence back past the 5 1/2" inches mentioned and you will lose one of the 4 white nylon sliders. Took me hours to find the bugger in the saw dust.
Fence sliders nèed a dust out after an hours use. Yes I am using a dust extractor but I like to be able to get the job over and done with in one hit.
I have the incra sled and mitre 1000 on my table saw and it is the ants pants.
Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for watching
I have the Incra system. Some of the features may seem like overkill until you see others buy or build countless jigs to do what it does easily. Great comparison.
Thanks for watching.
Yea man...its worth every penny
Yes it is.
You've said it well, Time is money!
Thank you for watching
Great video.
Thank you for watching.
I appreciate your honesty
Thank you for watching
Great video...thanks for posting it!
Thank you for watching
Thanks for this. I'm now in the middle of this debate. One update is that Kreg has its own lift that you can add, so you could add that to the price comparison. I think that makes the cost difference a little closer.
I would take the Incra lift over the kreg. The insert system on the Incra is metal and doesn’t require a tool to change them. I have the Jessem which is the same except for they use the plastic inserts. I always need to use a tool to change inserts. The kreg lift is a Jessem copy as well. I would definitely get a router lift no matter which brand you choose.
One major consideration for me and space is the cabinet orientation. Incra must be left to right for rectangular cabinet to be able to support that beam. I just built a rectangular router cabinet so that maybe a deterrent away from incra. Thx for the video.
There are always compromises for tools and the space needed for them. With Incra you get the larger capacity but then you loose floor space. Thank you for watching.
I agree w many others how you offer your opinion upfront. Also subscribed now. Nit sure if your familiar w Harvey , but if so how do you think the Harvey compass router fence compares to the Incra. I was set on buying it now I'm reconsidering. I have a Harvey 36 table. Wondering in the Incra can mount to it too.
i like that yoiu said up front what is better!!
Thank you for watching
What a fantastic honest review.
Thank you
Thanks, definitely saving up for the incra now.
It’s a great system thanks for watching
I have both Incra and Kreg router tables with the Kreg lift. I find myself using both for different operations. I wouldn't trade either.
Fair enough. I sold my Kreg now I only use the incra. But I have two other router table tops for when I need more than one table for a production operation
What a brilliant fence ,on the Incra table
Yes it is. Thanks for watching and commenting
Nice review, need links in the description for us to click on of the models you reviewed.
Thank you for watching. Sorry about the links.
Thumbs up for putting the bottom line up front. I watched the whole thing anyway, lol.
Thanks. I don’t like people waiting to tell a final result. Some of us just want the bottom line, while others are wanting all the details. So I did both.
That was a great review. Thank you for all your hard work. I think you helped me make up my mind. OK you definitely made me make up my mind, now I just have to come up the extra money for the Incra LOL
Yeah it’s expensive but worth it.
Thank you sir... Excellent comparison & clearly Incra is the winner!
Bill on the Hill... :~)
Thank you for watching
Good sir I like your Incra setup. I have the Incra with the Incra stand, Incra Wonder system 32. Incra Top , Incra PRL-2 lift with Porter Cable 7518 mounted and would like a cabinet under the table such as yours. Do u have plans? Or a build video?
Thank you for watching and I have a two part video of the build. Here is the link
ua-cam.com/video/mabiYat6PmY/v-deo.html
Bosch needs to make a fence system based on the incra system that incorporates the Axial glide... hmm ultimate fence system? I think so!!! lol
That would be an awesome fence system.
They Both Great System I Like Them Both...
Thanks for watching
Have had the Incra for almost 20 years, it was a Twin Linear then
They make great products I’m sure the one you have will last another 20 years
This is just what I was looking for I am wanting to buy a router table I though that the Kreg was to costley but know I think I will Get It. I am just starting out two years know . and I do it for fun. Thank you. Allan
Depending on your needs. The Kreg is an excellent choice. They have different systems that are very affordable. And I know from experience they stand behind all their products.
Hi, I recently bought a second hand Incra LSP and it's missing it's black fence. The new ones are not available for purchase in the market. Is it okay if I make my own with plexiglass or something (I have the mounting hardware) or does the black fence serve another purpose also? (I don't have an instructional manual either) Thank you!
I would make a fence for it. This way you can make the fence however you like.
Pretty nice looking router table the Incra is sitting on. Do you happen to have some plans for it?
Sorry I don't have any plans I pretty much stole a lot of ideas form other people's designs to make this one. I did a couple of UA-cam videos of me building it, that might help you design one for yourself.
BACKYARD WOODSHOP - What is the name or code for that green color you chose to paint your cabinet?
Nice video. I am no expert by any means but I believe my old Jointech router system with smart fence for my router table and my Jointech Saw Train with tablesaw fence on one end and another smart fence on the other end for my saw mounted router might be a bit superior to the Incra. It is a shame that Jointech is no longer around.
Thank you for watching. I have any jointech to compare. But I’ll take your word for it.
Good detailed comparison. But it's not a apples to apples thing. While they both perform a similar function, router table, the Incra is a very different and much better system. The kreg is like just about every router table system out there, nothing really unique or special about it. Where the incra has so many better features, can do so much more and more accurate. Plus when you add a good lift to the kreg, the price inches closer to the Incra. Even still, the Incra system has so much more. One thing I did not see mentioned, the incra fences can be offset. Maybe the kreg can as well. More importantly, the Incra can also be used as a table saw fence with just the addition of mounting rails. Incra has a complete set up. But this makes for one of the best table saw fences you can get. I have the incra on my table saw with a router table on each side. Incredible system. Both systems are so different. Here is another thing, the Incra has several scale spots, like 4? I recently added a Metric scale, so I can work in both imperial and metric. Also, Incra has slotted insert rings, to aid in dust collection, makes a difference. So versatile.
I see you have an incra jig on the wall there. Is that an option to use instead of the LS positioner?
I use that one on my table saw wing when I need multiple setups at the same time.
Would it be possible to mount the INCRA fence on a Rockwell shaper that is fitted with router bit adapter. It has a cast iron table.
It might be depends, if you can make a modification out of wood or metal on the back to mount the incra fence. The new only down side to the incra is the space you need for the back of the fence to move. Good luck. I’m sure you can figure it out. You can always email me at backyardwoodshop@gmail.com with pictures and I can try and help make suggestions.
I fitted it to a king Canada 1.5hp shaper I managed it by fitting a cast extension table to the shaper and drilled my holes to mount the LS. With the wonder fence I am able to use with both shaper cutters and router cutters.
Sounds like a great solution
Hello, A great video. My only question is the Kreg comes with the top and leg system, I did not see what comes with the Incra system, can you explain what I need to buy or build for the support system for the Incra? Thank you Ron USCG MKC RET
The Incra has a few different choices depending on what you spend. I bought the LS positioner and the Wonder fence combo. Then I just built a top and cabinet for it to go on. Just get on the Incra website and check on the different choices. If that doesn’t answer your questions just let me know.
@@thomrider Thank you, I think I will stay with the Kreg table. For what I do that should be plenty.
As for the tall fence - it is nice to have one, but then again how often are you going to use it? And if one is a handyman, you can just build one for little or no cost. 600USD is a big difference for non-professional/hobby woodworkers.
You can build a system that will do the job and make it custom for your needs. I have built a few in my shop. But the Incra and kreg have there place in a shop as well. Thank you for watching and your thoughts.
"how often are you going to use it?"
For some people it could be every day.
I would love to see a "handyman" try to build an incra system.
I’ve seen other channels make their own version of an Incra system.
Excellent video presentation, thanks!
Thank you for watching
Hi Tom I do have the Kreg fence, I find it very efficient if all is prepared accuratly, yes not to .001 but hay we working on timber. One thing I noticed you missed on Kreig and initially I did to... there is 2 rods about 1/8" diameter in one of the grooves in the dust outlet side, you slide it out and you put it between AL fence in the groove and sacrificial piece on the outlet side" after the cutter that will help you cutting depth in accurate way. Thanks for the rest From OZ Jack Marashlian
Kreg has a great fence and your right I didn’t mention the jointer setup. Thanks for watching.
i have both systems & use both
They are both great systems but for me I sold the kreg and now use the Incra
About to purchase the full Kreg system w/accessories. But it appears it would be more beneficial long term buying the lower end Incra package with the Wonder fence instead ($700ish). For a beginner who wants to make cabinets for his house, I'm thinking it would make sense to first buy the table/fence then all the advanced accessories (e.g. dovetail), lift later. Thoughts?
PS: As a former machinist this 0.005 Incra accuracy shown is unbelievable for wood!
I would definitely recommend the Incra system over the Kreg just for the repeatable accuracy alone. Plus the micro adjust is so amazing. Then you have all the joinery. I like when I’m making dovetail or box joint drawers I can load like 6 to 8 parts in at once which really speeds up production. Plus Incra has everything all figured out with 48 different templates that come with the LS positioned.
The router lift I would recommend is the Incra version of the Jessem lift because of the quick change rings being metal. I have the Jessem router lift 2 it has plastic rings which work fine just they are plastic and I need a tool to change them plus a couple of them are a little melted from long production runs where heat from the bit and wood melted tracks in the rings.
Either choice is a good table just Incra offers more for the money.
BACKYARD WOODSHOP thanks. Incredibly helpful. As a homeowner hobbyist about to make the purchase, would you consider Incra’s TS-LS Combo (with router joinery System) an equivalent performer to just the Incra router table “the works” joinery combo? (Assuming I purchase the lift you noted extra). I want to save space, but not compromise routing for an all-in-one system. In particular, I heard that side tables to a saw table cause more vibration. But maybe Incra is different? Thoughts?
I have not heard of table side tables having a lot of vibration. The TS-LS system is a great addition by giving your table saw that Incra accuracy and also router capability. You can actually have two router setups one in each wing. The best is the space savings. The only negative to the Incra system is the need for space so the positioner can move back past the table. That is why the tables are oriented side ways. If space and value are a real concern I would go with the TS-LS Option.
For tools too many times has it bit me in the butt, id rather spend more money once than wishing i could get the better system
That’s good advice. Thanks for watching
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I like say “buy the best you can reasonably afford”
glen1arthur one I've just heard was buy nice or buy twice
glen1arthur that's good advice.
So is this an incra system on a regular table?
S.P.K SR. Yes I built the table top and cabinet. The Incra system is the best. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video. I have to say, it appears that you have not used the kreg system extensively. If you had, you would of discovered that the fence on the Kreg is really horrible. I’m speaking from experience, as I have one. It not only is poorly designed but it doesn’t work as advertised. Locking down the fence is a three step process, and those steps basically involve checking to make sure it didn’t move in the process, which it always does. They used 4 harden iron bolts to go into thin aluminum to hold down the fence square and if you look at it wrong they will strip. That’s coming from someone with 35 years of working with aluminum. I have both the Kreg table and lift and the lift is precision engineering, with quality bolts machined into precision cut and length holes. I’m a fan of Kreg but the way they made this table fence is one of the biggest let downs I have experienced in my tool buying career.
Thank you for sharing your experience with the Kreg System.
I'm an Incra guy...it's just so easy to get spoiled. I have two fences, 3 miters, the cross cut sled 5000, and a few other jibs. I picked up an old Ultra Jig I found at an estate sale a few years ago. I also found a new TS-LS 17" system. I'm glad I found those cheap, because I likely wouldn't have spent the money. But I quickly realized that while their stuff is expensive, it's exceptionally well engineered and built. There's no question it's worth the money. I'm finally getting around to upgrading my table saw to a full cabinet (SS 3hp PCS), and I didn't hesitated to buy a new Incra fence for it.
Incra does make the the best quality products.
Today they don't give the Incra mast-r-lift 2 with the table, that cost 420.00 more
It’s a good unit but for the cost. I would get a triton with the built in lift.
@@thomrider .... Incra has the complete kit #3 for 800.00 without lift. The Jessem lift can be bought for 220.00
LOL.. APPLES AND ORANGES!!!!
kreg.. readily available.. incra.. order and hope you get it before end of year.. Kind of reminds of me of one-time woodpecker nonsense!
incra wins IF you're professional. Incra system IS NOT for the faint of heart and NOT for the weekend warrior or hobbyist. I have it, it's great for what I do, it will drive the hobbyist absolutely nuts!
Thank you for watching and providing your input. You have made some good points.
Just not a far comparisons, the tool that cost double should be better. Corvettes to Porsches
Mark Griggs most of the time. Kreg is still a fantastic system as well. Incra just had the better features.
I was looking at Kreg but now I am looking at Jessem. Too bad you have not compared or looked at jessem
I did look at them when I was first looking at kreg. Decided the kreg had more features at the time.
Lol, this guys is funny. If u don’t want to watch the full video infra wins.
For those not into the details. Thank you for watching
You are comparing a fence/joinery system to a router table (with legs) and a fence. Apples to oranges.
But the Incra is a router table with extra benefits of joinery. Kreg does a great job as well but the joinery helps it win out. My opinion.
If the Incra is double the price of the Kreg, then what’s really the point of a head to head comparison? If I’m looking in the price range of one, by definition I’m likely not interested in the other.
Well you would invest more over time to get the kreg system to do most of what the Incra system can do. I only bought the fence system and built the rest which does save a lot of money.
Good comparison video...but you're killing me every time you say "unloosen"!! You do realize if you unloosen something...it means you're tightening it?!?! So why not just say "tighten"!?
I bet you say "unthaw" when defrosting something frozen too...don't you?!? LOL
I don’t see where in the video you are mentioning. If it’s when I’m using the micro adjusters I am talking about making the sliding dovetails fit loose enough so they slide easily.
I am not here to beat up on you, but I caught that statement too. When you were speaking about the 6 inch rule in the Kreg system you spoke of the bolt that locks the position of the rule and it was only 5.5 inches of usable measurement. At the end of the day we all know what you meant. It is tough to make a video and say everything you want to coney unless you are reading from a script or or yo do a lot of editing.
I think you did a great job on pointing out the advantages and differences between the two systems.
Thanks I try my best. But sometimes I miss things. Thank you for watching
Hice comparo video. The Kreg is nice .The Incra owns precision and repeatability. And the winner is........Incra.
Yes I have recently sold the kreg table and went exclusively with the Incra. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Hey Tom did u build that router table yourself.or did u order it,if so can u tell me where you ordered it.if it's custom made,send me the dimensions,paint code color.I love the lemon green color
I meant lime green
Michael Bugin - Michael, I read through the whole list of comments, and buried in them he stated he built it based on ideas from several different designs and there are no design plans.
I amso sorry but the winner is just to big for where i have to use it so now what
I guess you have to choose a different router table or make your own.
I find this comparison unfair due to the fact they are two different systems! I don't think there is an Incra fence system out there that can beat it.
They are both made to do the same tasks in woodworking. But Incra just does more.
You find this comparison unfair because one is better than the other?
Kudos for cutting through the bs.
Thank you for watching
Incra is way over priced only problem with incra
Well with some things you get what you pay for.
You can build one yourself hello why spend when you dont have to
You can this is just another choice
@@thomrider you are exactly like women that make a argument out of nothing