WATCH THIS before you buy a router! (A lot of stuff you may not know!)
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(I have switched some of the routers since this video was made because the original models are no longer available.)
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(I have switched some of the routers since this video was made because the original models are no longer available.)
My favorite router set with BOTH plunge and fixed bases: amzn.to/39cNsA2
My favorite fixed base router: amzn.to/3iFEdM7
My favorite plunge router: amzn.to/3c8adaw
My favorite trim router: amzn.to/2Mj51nm
Plunge base for trim router: amzn.to/3pj2FFu
Trim router and base in one set: amzn.to/3sRDhsu
My favorite router lift motor: amzn.to/2AZkvZk
(We may make a small financial gain if you use these affiliate links)
In my local store Vinkomprom, I have found a router that's about $60, with 1200w,plunge base, micro adjustment, 6/8mm for bits. Its from a brand Workers Best I allready have 2 of their tools that work fine for me, and there is another router thats 2x the price from black&decker that is the same but it weights 5.2kg, and the Workers Best router is 2.5kg. Witch one sould i buy. Im a beginer woodworker, and i have a tight budget
Edit: both have adjustable speed
Instablaster...
Porter Cable doesn't seem to make routers anymore. Any other recommendations for a router lift motor for a Sawstop inline router table?
THANK YOU!! I had a feeling I shouldn't mess around when choosing router and you confirmed my suspicion.
Giving me a recommendation is above and beyond!
Dude I wish I could visit your shop. I wanna use that gigantic hand plane.
I am going to purchase a router set with both bases, you recommend the BOSCH 1617EVSPK, I was originally going to go with this but now think I may go with the Bosch MRC23EVSK. I have researched the hell out of this but I am torn. Originally the 1617 was only $179 and the MRC23 was $299, then in a couple of days the 1617 went to $249. For 50 bucks you get LED's, more power and the power switch on the handle. I have a Hitachi M12V in a table, an old Craftsman 1.5HP with switch on the handle (30 years old on 3rd set of bearings), a Dewalt Trim router and a B&D Firestorm FS1200RP plunge (a copy of the dewalt DW621 with through the shaft dust collection). I know this video is 4 years old, but the MRC23 has been out since 2014 and Fine wood working recommends it. What do you think of the MRC23?
lol I was actually looking for info on network routers.. watched about half the video before realizing I had no idea what you're talking about
Well I guess you were rerouted huh?😂
Don't feel bad I just did the same thing but uno reverse
😂😂😂😂😂
@@omarjcoolHahah this is gold comment 😂😂
same
“Left walnut “. I’m dying here. 🤣
I know that got me laughing to.
It's not that funny
Made me laugh too!
Right!😂😂
I dare say, this is hands down the most informative channel on woodworking tools and practices I have found to date. Thank you Sir.
Thanks for actually explaining the marketing bull tool companies put in their stats. More people need to understand this 👍🏼
A note to any beginning woodworkers who may get sticker shock from the links in the description:
When a product is no longer directly available at retail, resellers often mark up remaining stock of specific formerly-popular items, sometimes to ridiculous prices.
For instance, as of Jan 2021, the first link (to a Porter-Cable combo plunge\fixed router) is listed at over $600. You can probably get a good set for around $200.
Thank you Stumpy Nubs for a really worthwhile video. The video's title clearly described the subject matter of the video. The video presenter was concise and knowledgeable on the topic and spoke in a clear "no-bulls**t, no-hype" manner. I am now subscribing to their videos and going to their website for more information.
In the UK a large store used to have routers on display on a lowish shelf (not plugged in of course), just the right height for children to play with them. It was interesting to see the brands that had fallen apart! And yes, it was the cheaper brands. On the other hand should you not by a cheap router that you can afford or should you instead bodge the job or simply not do the job - get the cheap router, treat it carefully and do the job - that's my view. For a router to fit a table look at the Triton reviews, it comes complete with a lift mechanism that bought separately could cost several hundred pounds (or dollars).
I own a Bosch plunge router. POC, and that's probably true for most, if not all, plunge routers. The reason is that the 'runners' around the poles have to have an amount of play, otherwise it was impossible to move the motor up and down. The consequence is: the motor (hence, the bit) is not necessarily perpendicular to the base. The bit sticks out at an angle, which is catastrophic for precise work. This might not look like a significant angle, but use a long bit, and you'll see the impact clearly. Grooves don't have the same depth on opposite edges etc.
Nicely planned and executed video. Clearly, you had a script and rehearsed the whole thing beforehand - bravo zulu!
Looking for my first router.
This was immensely helpful to me.
Thank you!
Good video. I'll add... think about a battery operated 1/4" trim router as well or as an alternative to the corded trim router. They are perfect for quick round over trims without a cord limiting you. I love mine and it gets used way more than the corded/larger routers I have.
thank you James for your information and tutorial!
I have several excellent routers. Most of mine have two bases. One has 3 bases. My tiny router has a micro fence attached to a precision plunge base.
Sweet video. I wish i had seen this a year ago. As an apprentice I know very little of Finnish and joinery
Thank you for explaining the differences in routers. It was very simplified and you had the links to buy them. You gained a new subscriber. #PEACE✌🏾
The surface area of a 1/2 in router bit is twice that of a 1/4 in bit. You mixed it up with area I suspect. Good video.
Great info. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
An enthusiastic "Thank you for this video!" to you!! It's exactly the information I need to make this decision.
Super informative. Thank you.
Great job with the right info. Thanks
new to wood working! subbing cause you give great advice. appreciate this material !
I’m getting into modding electric guitars.. :
. routing out pickup and potentiometer cavities;
. cut new pickguards;
. polish frets , etc
i was thinking i might be able to do almost all the routing with
.a rotary tool/dremmel and :
1. multipurpose holder & drill press
2. plunge router attachment;
3. flex shaft
What do you reckon?
Would you go for a Black&Decker Matrix multipurpose drill instead?
thanks very much
"They would have given their left walnut..." LOL
Excellent advice. many thanks- just what I needed to hear
Very helpful, thanks.
I love this channel :) The information is so valuable.
I just came across your channel. Thank you so much for explaining the various routers this was so helpful.
Gee, I feel so much better knowing lots of people have Router Acquisition Syndrome. I started with one router and it was a nice one. It has soft start and both a fixed base and plunge base. I don't know what happened in the basement when I wasn't looking, but that first router acquired a router table, then a fixed base router. While using a jig to make dovetail slots I just had to have a matching fixed base router and then a small trim router. Then I somehow acquired three rotary grinder tools tools with router bases. Do those count?
brant morrison thats great keep it going it wll keep you out of mischief
Awesome video. Straight to the point.
Clear and concise. Thanks a lot!
Thank you, good info. I especially appreciate the horse power info. That can be confusing.
It actually has a lot to do with the speed of the motors as well. Horsepower is a measure of torque over speed. HP= (RPM*Torque)/5252...hence why diesel trucks with their huge torque still make relatively low HP due to low RPM. Same is true for the relatively speaking much slower table saw (3-4K RMP) to a router (20K RMP). Way more torque on the big 3HP cabinet saw motor, but it goes slower. Using the formulas to give rough estimates in torque
Table Saw 3HP = (3,500 RMP * X ftlbs Torque)/5252 ...x = 4.5 ft lbs.
Router 3 1/4 HP = (20,000 RPM * X ft lbs Torque)/5252 ... x = .85 ft lbs.
So while peak HP is relatively equal, pure torque (the important number for how powerful the motor is) the table saw is more than 5 times stronger
Why aren't all youtube videos like this 😭 Thank you guys 👍🏼
I tell my wife routers are like shoes can't have just one
My buddy has 35 routers, one for each bit he uses. His wife started complaining. She's a foodie. His response was "how many pans do you have in the kitchen". Lol.
LOL. I am like Norm, I have 7. Mix of 1/2 and 1/4. A couple where the bit never changes as I use them for specific job.I could use the same argument as your Buddy about the pans, but my wife has not got a clue what I have in my Shed :D :D :D
Greg giono I asked my wife the same question. She all of her pans away, now I am hungry.
I only have 4 but I can't stop buying them , is there one of those twelve step programs for router addiction ?
Greg giono great stuff need it
Great video. I think if I could only have one router, my choice would have neen one that has a plunge and fixed base option included as well as the ability to use 1/2" and 1/4" bits. The extra functionality justifies waiting to save the minor cost difference in them. Or do what I do. Get a large coffee and spend Saturday morning at the closest large flea market. I sored 2 Craftsman 2HP routers wtih dual bases (brand new) for $20 each. I've also gotten a couple of trim routers and tables super cheap as well and a Milwaukee 3 HP that is permenantly under a table in the shop. Next best stop is Garage sales. I've seen new and almost new Radial arm saws for under $75 after a few close calls or the wife sees some UA-cam videos of them. But they can be great for tools. And stay away from Harbor Freight. Great for some things but not for precision tools. My kids bought me the Bosch set you have and the trim router a few years back. Love them. But still use my (20+ year old) DeWalt 2 HP Plunge Router my wife bought me all the time. Can't have just 1.
One router?? That would be silly 😜 I think I have 9 !!!! One in the table. 3hp for doors. One trim router table. And lots of others. I agree that they are incredibly useful and versatile. Good info. Thanks
lolol! Junkie
Great video Stumpy.
James, thank you for the straight talk. Lots of good advice here and you included things I did not know. I am a DIYer and my Craftsman Router (from the 1970s) is slowly dying with bearing troubles. It lacks variable speed and soft start capabilities so I am ready to take the plunge (no pun intended) and get something more modern. I really appreciated your forthright advice; I believe it is good advice for the occasional user, like me, and I expect for the more advanced user. I was surprised to learn that you knew that a horsepower is equivalent to 746 watts. Clearly, you have knowledge beyond woodworking. The video production was superb in every way that matters, video quality, audio quality and the set containing so many older tools. On the strength of this one video alone I am subscribing. Thanks again.
possibly the most helpful speaker/teacher on youtube. every sentence has value and I learn so much in such a short period of time. you rock
Hi I lke the channel.. ?4U....I build wooden pallets can I use a router to cut out notches in the stringers? What type of router & bit would work best for cutting 2 x 4's? Thx in advance!😊
Thank you!! It is like pulling teeth to find good advice when starting something new and this had just the information I was searching for.
James is amazing
This was exactly the information I was looking for and couldn't quite find from other videos. Thank you being thorough. I'm enjoying your other videos too!
Thanks 4 the guides & tips
Katsu trim router (at least here in the UK). Many bases available (plunge, offset, tilt) and it's compatible (i.e. a copy) with the Makita. At £35 ($45) it's an unbelievable option for the money. I love mine and am about to buy a second. They even sell spares (e.g. motor housing, rotor etc) for if (when?) it does go wrong.
awesome video thanks
Very informative. Thank you.
I have the Makita 18v cordless router with plunge base and highly recommend it.. it is amazing. The batteries last surprising long for such a power hungry type of machine. It has many of the features Stumpy suggested, variable speed, soft start, speed maintaining software. If you already have some Makita batteries its a no brainer.
Hi , does its springs on the plunge work well? also which model number is it you have I think Makita do a few ? thanks
And have four bases
I wish Ryobi would make an 18v plunge router
I'm fairly new to using a router but since I knew it's going to make a huge impact in my shop I went with your recommendation for the porter cable pk95. Maybe you could make a video of all the features and wheat you can do with it. It would help me a lot and I'm sure plenty of others. Either way thanks James I love the channel!
On the Bosch combo do they make a dust collection adapter?
I made the plunge today and I bought a Bosch 1617evs fixed base router 2.25 HP 12 amp motor. I now have 5. Two trim router’s corded and cordless and 3 larger corded ones 2 hp, 2.25 hp and 3.25 that’s a plunge router. So awesome
Thank you for doing the research so that I don't have to man, much appreciated!
According to your marvelous video, I think we need at least 3 or four different routers in our workbench ( fixed, high power plunge, medium power plunge and trimmer )
Was that a Miller lite in the red wings koozie? 7:35....
No.
Another issue I would look at in a router is dust collection. A router can be very messy if dust extraction does not work well. Also, many are equipped with very flimsy, clip-on plastic dust shrouds, which do not seem very durable and may soon be removed since they are in the way all the time.
Biggest issue I have run into with those shrouds is that they make em with a 30mm hole, though that problem fixes itself the second you plunge a large profile bit through it.
I do have to say that when doing dadoes and mortices it works really well. However when doing profiles or edge trimming, it might as well not be there at all.
It's half decent when used in a router table.
Dust collection is easy on the table but not always when doing free hand work. I usually work with a mask as well, especially when I am working with cedar or other irritant or toxic woods. That would have been a good point to mention. The speed of the bit is high enough to send a good number of particles out of the vacuum stream.
A half-mask P100 respirator (for example the 3M 7500 series) runs $20..30. New lungs cost considerably more...
Great video. Completely changed my decision on what router to purchase while I'm starting up and it's all working out well. Thank you very much!
You have a way of providing information that educates an old dog like me without making me feel dumb. I like that. Keep it up.
Hummmm, wife thinks I have an addiction for drills and routers among my many tools. Routers owned and used: 5 decades old Sears Craftsman & Montgomery Wards Powr-Kraft (bought in my teenage years), Bosch Colt Palm, Porter Cable 7518, Porter Cable 690, DeWalt 618 Plunge, and a Makita 18volt...in order of acquisition. ...and I kinda took over my wife’s one router. Would like to add a DeWalt 611 Plunge and outfit the Bosch Colt and perhaps another PC-7518. All seems reasonable to me !
Thank you, glad I watched this before buying my first router!
Thanks, Jim! Even after a year, very timely. I'm replacing two vintage 1/4" fixed-base one-speed routers with the spiffiest plunger I can afford.
Hell yea redwings
I have 4 . . for now :)
This is one of the best tutorials I’ve seen! Such a smooth and continuous delivery without any irrelevant stuff. Everything bang on point. Btw, are you reading of a prompter??? Anyway good stuff
👌🏻 Subscribed the second after the video finished. 👌🏻
Did the same. Great information.
Bosch routers are great when they're new, but the company switches models every few years and discontinues parts for older models. I have a Bosch which has a stripped spindle, that's all, but was told by the company that I'd have to buy a new router.
It looks like the Porter Cable routers you linked (895PK for combo kit and 75182 for router table) are no longer available. Any other recommendations?
Thanks Man!
This is the exact video I was hoping to find. Subed!!!
Looking for one for my dad in Guatemala I needed this information because I want to get something that he can use for multiple if not all the projects with this information I know is not gonna be cheap but my father will be getting I very very nice and useful toy tanks again.
Another excellent video sir! My son (21) has developed a strong interest in woodworking and we have watched a bunch of your videos so far. We will most likely watch them all soon. Thanks for producing great videos.
Sold! I'm a subscriber. Spoken with true wisdom. From a Canadian carpenter to a fellow carpenter 👍
What about those small cordless routers with the Plunge accessory attachment, ie DeWalt brushless 20V? Just for small house projects like door hinges to start with.
man, this was WAY above average, specially for a noob like me.
Thanks very much, really solid video & advice.
cheers from Portugal
4:53 Amps is the unit for current. Not for power. So - how many watts do I need? 12 amps would be 2760 Watts continuous power. There is no router in a hardware store or anywhere in the internet to be found with that much power.
Thank you, I am in the market for a new router. Your information was very helpful.
Everyone gets tied up deciding which router. You’ll end up buying several. What’s going to cost you is the thousands of dollars in bits.
just wanna do some curves. so what is better router or jigsaw
Could you do a video on the basics of using a router? I bought the Bosch trim router with the plunge base (on your recommendation), but I’m afraid to use it.
Just start using it to do all the different things you can think of on some scrap wood. Best way to learn IMO.
My doctor told me I have cancer. I said “ thank god, I thought you were gonna tell me I have a sticky plunger. Whew! Nothings worse than a sticky plunger I told him. We laughed and laughed
One of the best UA-cam channels I have found for wood working advice and safety.
It's really nice to watch videos where the host isn't talking at 90mph. Thanks
Great video. I learn more from your videos than most others I see. Packed full of detailed information and spoken in a way even a beginner like me can understand. Thanks!
A very informative video indeed: no flannel, no extraneous self-aggrandisement, no irritating irrelevant background music, just the right pace and, to top it all, I can see from the positions of the levers on the lever caps of your stored metal planes that you have released the pressure on the blades. BTW, I’ve given away all my wooden-bodied moulding planes; I see you have many. The router has made them redundant, but I know they are a pleasure in their own right.
Is it a bad idea to use a angle grinder with an aftermarket speed control and a foot pedal control switch for a mounted router?
Using tools for purposes that they were never designed for is always a bad idea
@@StumpyNubs lol, thank you for the sound advice.
@@StumpyNubs lol, thank you for the sound advice.
Thank you Stumpy! I do appreciate your time to educate us! I needed this advice....Thank you so very much!
I liked the formula for figuring out the horsepower. I'm saving this to my favorites! You sir, earned a new subscriber.
The number you get from multiplying the amperage x the voltage is in Watts. Dividing that by 746 gives you HP.
Hello Mr Stumpy Nubs. I have an important question that I cant seem to find the answer to. Black Friday is coming and I need to buy a router. I am a DIYer and have rental properties. I am going to take on the job of installing my own laminate kitchen countertops without hiring someone. I need to make the biscuit cut outs, miter bolt cut outs, and I guess whatever else I would have to do for a simple "L" shape countertop installation. Can I get away with an 18 volt makita, ryobi, or dewalt? Or Do I have to look for a 2 horsepower plus plug in 1/2 inch router? Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it boss!!
I'm a beginner and three months into my projects I now need to upgrade from the cheap trim router I started with. This video is very helpful. I always learn something from your videos. Thanks!
Got you on autoplay as I'm busy making Jewellery Boxes and listening along while I work. The disadvantage is I can't leave likes and comments between videos.
Every single one is brilliant, I love your style and knowledge.
Hey man... just wanted to say I really appreciate your sharing your knowledge. I've been watching and learning a lot. Thanks!
This had more information then I New there was about routers,
Thank you for sharing this with us
I for one have learned a lot from you today
Keep the fantastic work your doing for us all👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
knew
One musn't have 1 router only. Me for example have 2 routers (Makita trim router and Skill plunge router). That's d least amount of routers for any woodworker should have IMHO.
Simple, valuable advice born of experience. Great video. Thanks.
I disagree with one point: if you foresee the need for an accessory, get it when you get the tool. In a year or two the Manufacturer will have have changed the product, cost-reduced it or moved his factory to even a lower wage third world factory. Thus the accessory you wAnted will be unavailable unless you can find a used one on eBay. Nobody keeps stuff in stock anymore.
I totally agree with you.
not true at all, these days you can easily go back 3, sometimes even 4 models for parts, accessories and complete tools on amazon and ebay, all brand new in the box. ive done it multiple times
In the greater scheme of things routers aren't that expensive and you can pick them up used at pawn shops. Ideally I'd like to have five or six of them each setup for their own specialized use. That way I don't have to change out bits and swap them in and out of router tables.
Any chance you could update the recommendations? Some of those routers are no longer available.
Well when comparing the price of variable speed modern routers to a "used" plunge router from 1985 plus a harbor freight speed control, I still saved 50% off the best black friday deals this year for a modern router. And the thing is like brand new, $25 on offer-up, MADE IN USA. Since my wood working is a maybe once every few years thing, I'm thinking I did ok. Thanks for the video and more education! Were routers ALWAYS rated for peak horsepower?
Excellent learning tutorial. I am in the market for a new router and this video is well timed and thorough, my purchase has been made easier as a result. Straightforward presentation with no wasted words or time and certainly no over-inflated egos.
Thank You Very Much For All The Great Thoughtful Information. THANK YOU & GOD BLESS. Beautiful Mind. ❤️🔥🙏👏❤️🔥🙏👏❤️🔥🙏👏
I'm kind of surprised nobody seemed to catch the error in his math.
(V x A) / 746 does not say that his 15A router is 3.5HP. That would equal 2.4HP.
As much as I appreciate anything I can learn from a well done video, but that was just pretty glaringly incorrect in a math segment. :/
Which small trim-router (Bosch, DeWalt, Makita) has reliable aftermarket nut/collets that can accept all sizes? (6mm, 8mm, 1/4in and possibly 1/2in, but the 1/2in would be a bonus, mostly the first 3 sizes.) Cheers, thanks.
Hey thanks for this informative video, one question thought ...
I bought a Makita M3700 Router Trimmer last month, and it says Max 35000 n-1
I think that means it spins at 35000 RPM is that right ?
Problem is that all bits that i see online and on stores in my area are rated 28000 Max and sometimes less than that (24000) !
And my Makita does not have any speed control utility on it
Now should i just use those bits or should i buy another router ? although i hate to lose my investment on the Makita one !
Can i just use 24000 RPM bits and work safely ? or something wrong will happen ? i already tried it couple of times with a 24000 max bits and nothing happened, but i am more concerned about safety on the log run !
Thanks in Advance !