not totally gigachad, he tried to guilt people with the "one of the promises we made was that all microtransactions will work across both poe 1 and 2 and in order to do that". besides that it was a "ok" apology for the delay
Yes Diablo 4 which has made billions of dollars is worried about a indie AA game thats super niche *sigh*.... that being said Cool PoE is good and so is diablo 4 now, get over it. Time to move on.
Yea, we got Satisfactory and Factorio to work through before I'll even be touching POE 2. Take your time. I'd even say fuck it and take the holiday, we'll see you guys in January.
It was never a knowledge gap of them knowing how they should behave. A lot of people don't realise, it's their complete disregard and disrespect twoards their customers. They treat customers like shit on purpose not because of lack of knowing how to treat customers properly. Unlike the money printing monkeys some developers are actual gamers and care, like GGG or Larian.
@@williamcezarbill If you are saying that Team Cherry isn't doing a good job communicating, you are wrong in my opinion. Team Cherry never said when they will release Silksong, thus they do not need to communicate to their audience on a regular basis. They just need to make the game. To be fair, a playable Hornet was what Kickstarter supporters paid for, but that then turned into a whole new game. So the first trailer from February 14th, 2019 and their video being transparent explaining what is going to happen was very good. But since then, all you need to do is wait until the game is finished. So no, Team Cherry does not need to communicate more with their fans. Would be nice, but absolutely not necessary, especially if it takes away from developing the game and making it the best it can be.
Tomorrow in the offices: "I need to reschedule my PTO". Also seems like someone applied a vaal orb on those databases, glad they didn't disappear completely...
What happened? I can see it in the background. You cram your workforce into 'not-even-cubicles' with no windows and expect a product from the heart to release? 🙃
@@williamyoung9401 wips increase productivity by 99% !!! Buy now on sale ! Nah u cant get mad at someone like him *.* yet still i truly make all my plany around that release date :D
@@fergus247 What is the first picture in your head when you think to Cyberpunk or No Man's Sky for example? They are both great games today, but they will be suck forever. Also, how many sales they lost because of the bad release.
This delay isn't something amazing though, it's just a promise he intends to keep at all costs. The game is probably playable enough in its current state and already better than 90% of its competitors. Whilst I'm super excited to play, I also don't mind waiting another month-year for it. Doubt they would delay it that much, but Cyberpunk has taught me that patience is key to a good experience. TBH, I care less about the cosmetic carry over, and more about whether my delapidated pc will run the game. Either way, Captain Rogers has my utmost respect, this is not a bs or pity post, it's informative, apologetic and to the point. Now I just hope that Warframe and PoE dates don't overlap... Both have some pretty huge updates/ releases coming.
The release was two weeks before my final exams, now it's one week after the exams. Couldn't be happier. You take your time, thanks for the honest and clear communication!
How to communicate with your fanbase 101. You just keep adding to the pile of reasons I feel good about supporting the studio for several years already and probably many to come still.
WHAT GAME DEVS SHOULD BE DOING. Being transparent, open and honest. And also keeping a standard and not stopping until it’s met. Bravo team. Keep pushing and well done on your job so far!!
I am learning databasing and just finish intro to databasing with learning SQL queries and hearing their databases are yet to be compatible made my heart sink because i know enough now to know that if i was working on that id be stressed out of my mind hahaha. I can only image how the data egnieers feel at GGG.
This promise to transfer all the mtx was probably a mistake, I think it was the reason for a lot of the delays. Should've just given everyone some stash tabs and some shop currency to buy whatever they want if they had mtx in poe 1. The choice to do it like this not only probably added massive delays, but the colorful crazy mtx from poe 1 might look out of place in 2.
I’m a boat mechanic and had taken😂 time off for the launch. Was totally pumped till yesterday, went to parents house to go have dinner and mom says “hey you got a letter”. She hands me the letter and it’s a jury duty envelope. My heart sunk when I read the dates for it. So this news today was just music to my ears. Let them cook!!!
Imagine building so much trust with your playerbase that practically no one is upset and everyone is understanding and supportive of a delay. Rarely any or perhaps no other company could in this day and age. GGG are truly the best.
GGG does a lot of bizarre things and they tend to only half-apologize for game mechanics. But when they legitimately apologize for something you know they're not messing around. Johnathan's apology was sincere and quite frankly is the kind of thing I'd be saying to my stakeholders at work in a similar situation. GGG has a lot of goodwill, even though we bitch about them all the time and Johnathan is trying to make his Magnum Opus. We can wait a bit longer :)
I think this happens because, others companies delay their games for 4 months but the actual game isnt even half baked, ans ggg has shown that delays on their part are "simple" bug fixing and making everything 100% so that inconveniences for players don't happen. I think thats why we think different when its them
Currently going through the exact opposite on the WOW's 20 year anniversary event no less. Rushed, boring content that caused game breaking bugs and performance issues upon release. And we're paying a subscription fee for that shit. On top they had the audacity to release a $90 dollar store mount alongside that whole mess. Unbelievable.
As a backend engineer, you cannot ever take infrastructure for granted. Last Epoch is a great game whose launch was marred by server-side issues from the unexpectedly high load, and they didn't have 10+ years of transaction data to straighten out. I'm really pleased you're taking the proper precautions, and eagerly anticipating the chance to take a look.
I just want to put out there, I have nothing but respect for you making this statement. I love the direct, transparent response addressing the problem. Quality takes time. We can wait. o7 Much love and good luck fixing the tech issues!
@@fergus247 TF it did. It's the greatest game ever made and with AAA games being so so bad nowadays, this is for some of us our last hope of playing a good game again that is also new.
@@fergus247 how did poe1 turn into a bad quality game? the only thing i can think of is that the leagues are hit or miss, mostly miss in the past couple of years since most of the team moved over to poe2, but still, the core of the game is just really good.
@@fergus247 The only real framing of this that I feel I could agree with you on is I do wish there was more build diversity in terms of what the actual input from the user was doing, since a lot of builds turn into one core button to do all the heavy lifting and everything else supporting that, or I think the game could use more clarity on how mechanics and systems work without such massive dependencies on community made resources. ... buuuuuut, PoE 2 is trying really hard to address the first issue, which is already super subjective, and I feel a lot of the fun of the build is understanding how all the pieces fit together to make it work, not the complex inputs required by the user to string ideal combos or anything, just knowing all the layers to make your attack do some really wild shit is really fun to a lot people. and GGG 100% imo could do better in guiding the new player along, but to pivot to FFXIV for a second, something mentioned to me before was that a lot of the game was obtuse to new players, but that's kind of a good thing, as it promotes asking questions and more community interaction, and I think PoE is kind of similar in that way? I don't know if I fully agree with it if that's the idea behind their approach, but PoE has a really strong community, and being encouraged to interact with the community to find the resources and tools you need to improve in the game helps make it special. Outside of those two points though, Idk how you can say PoE is a bad game, you're totally within your right to not like a game, but there's a difference between "I don't like this" and "This is bad", Subjective Vs Objective statements.
@@Zoltri The amount of buttons you have to press to play a game does not matter when it comes to making it better. There are games that requires a ton of input that are bad, and then there are games that requires a ton of input that are good. So the amount of input available and or required of the player is irrelevant when it comes to the quality of a game. Likewise there are games that requires little input that are good, and there are games that require little input that are bad. So im not sure why you make this point
Take your time. We'll be here waiting. You've done so much for us over the years. I'll keep buying the supporter packs to show my appreciation for your expertise.
As disappointed as I am to hear this, I also work with a legacy database. So I know _exactly_ what you're talking about. I do not envy the people who have to sort through that 10+ year old DB and correct all the anomalies.
@@tangman9890 if you`ve checked exilecon interview with a guy, who made the engine stuff, i can assure you they are the pros. Maybe they lack some specific knowledge at some specific problems, but my god, they know their stuff
A Game Director actually taking accountability? Wow. No apologies necessary. It's refreshing to see this kind of transparency and prioritization of quality.
Take your time. I respect the fact you guys are being open about it. Ill wait for as long as you guys need me too because at the end of the day, the product will be everything i hoped for and more.
funny. How when a company does something you do not like, but says theyre sorry, explain why, give extra info, and even blame themselves makes u believe in them more.
Because unlike many other companies that have delayed their games in recent times, Jonathan here shows absolute no bs policy "this is the problem, this is how much time it will take"
That's true for big ass companies. GGG has us with'em because they have always been transparent and have always listened to the community. Also most of us also play other games and have experienced rushed releases that disapointed us very hard(for me it was CS2), and I dont want POE to be a shame
Apologizing is not how you take responsibility, but i will let this one slide since the release date is not that important to players. There is going to be more serious issues with the game i think. But lets see
"But I'm no longer confident we could do it without making mistakes, and these are the kind of mistakes we can't let happen." Responsibility and ethics steering a product release, as opposed to a mad rush for profits. It's like an oasis in the desert.
So now we now the name of the god of transparency: Jonathan Rogers. Thanks GGG for being resposible and thoughtful. POE2 must have the best 1st impression for the playerbase and we respect your intention to do things right aiming for it.
Coming back here after the first migration attempt: This decision aged *VERY* well. Johnathan making this call was *100% correct* and has saved us and them a *ton* of headaches. 1:18 "... we could possibly have made the original launch date, but I am no longer confident we could do it *without making mistakes"* As of me writing (14. Nov) the original launch would have been *tomorrow* and the migration patch of yesterday has just just failed. This would have been a *very bad* launch for PoE2 and a massive stressful blunder for GGG. With the game thus delayed they now still have time to make corrections and get things right. Again: GG Johnathan for making the right call.
Hey Johnathan. Thank you for being open and direct with this. Does it suck? A little. But the fact that you take care of the game and your team this way speaks volumes to the quality of your character. Please send the best regards to the people resolving these issues as well as the entire team at GGG. I know that you are working very hard and trying your best. I fully understand that this is something you don't want to fumble at the finish line.
@@tiagostein4057 Where do you work that is so strict on your PTO ? Then again I am assuming you aren't a director or something that the company relies on.
I really like that the person giving the explanation understands the exact reasons for the delay and gives specific examples of what needs to be done. Take the time you need, you got my support ⚔️
Man, I love this company and how clearly they communicate with the community. No worries about the delay! This merely gives some of the games I am playing right now a chance of being finished before my free time becomes consumed by PoE2. 😅
He's upset! First time ever I see this while being upfront and clear about it. We believe in you GGG you are the real goats and am SO EXCITED for the BEST game ever to exist coming soon!
Of all the developers in the industry today, GGG is one of the FEW that deserve patience and respect. They've treated the community very well and with all that to perfect and test, it is totally valid. I'm so grateful for the countless hours I've gotten out of PoE 1 and I'm thrilled to spend even more time playing PoE 2.
The devs themselves on most games deserve respect its mostly upper management and the stakeholders at the top who shouldnt be respected. The devs are doing what they are told sadly and its sad to see that people think they have power to create realistic deadlines for their work when its not at all possible sometimes. Look at the crunch time that some devs are pressured to do to finish a product. Its shocking
@@CrazVidzNot only that, you need to have more “crunch times” to be ready for testing way before the actual release date. You need to make sure your code can’t be exploited and users aren’t vulnerable, etc
Mad respect. As an industry vet from the PS1-PS3 era, I am happy we are finally seeing studios stand up and doing the right thing. Waiting for things to be ready before asking for money from us. We appreciate you.
Absolutely nothing to apologize about. You guys have earned our trust in full, and delaying for this reason is more than understandable. We'll be here for whenever it's ready, and we're so excited to experience what you've created.
Nothing to be sorry about, development estimates are notoriously notorious. This is the reasonable course of action and I appreciate the technical explanation.
Take all the time you need! Love how you guys keep up the engagement with the community and keep things authentic. This type of work is f’n complicated and you guys are doing everything in your power to deliver on every front. Start the pre-release when you are proud of the state of the game and we will be ready!
Nah, i'm sad about the delay but I'm happy that you guys are commited to launch an early access in a better state than most releases nowsdays. Keep up the good work.
Gaben and Miyamoto were always famously quoted for that, but they weren't the ones that came up with it. Someone working at Origin systems originally said it in the 80's. It still rings true, regardless of who said it first.
I'm a software developer of 10 years. Migrating data, re-modeling it and making it backwards compatible sounds like such a challenge. It's a huge process of performing the migration itself and then also testing it all out and that "everything should work as before", for every single player. Thank you for being so honest, take your time. We'll still be here 🙏
Look at all the positive comments! Not sure I have seen such an amazing response before to disappointing news. It goes to show that transparency in this industry is a strategy that not only works in a studios favour, it harbours a huge amount of loyal fans willing to consume everything you put out. Probably forever.
or maybe its just the poe community has no dignity. right now this news is only seen by the most hardcore poe players. just wait until poe2 hits the mainstream on steam. i have seen games ripped apart for much less (see overwatch2)
@@hfweuiofnweuio500 Overwatch2 didn't get ripped apart for "much less", it got ripped apart for literally scamming it's buyers, and then trying to weasel out of their promises. on top of making other controversial changes to the pvp mode too. Also, normal players who aren't super invested in poe and poe2, will not even see this, and if they do they will literally just go "meh". It's the hardcore players that would be most outraged at this, which isn't really happening as you can see. They promised that all your cosmetics and stash tabs will transfer over, if they broke that promise the ensuing shitstorm would be similar to that of overwatch 2. And it'd be well deserved.
@@hfweuiofnweuio500 Actual brainrotted blizz shill comment. OW2 was a complete scam. It was supposed to be a completely new experience with a massive PvE mode that was a completely new game added on its own but what was shipped was just OW1 with its player friendly systems completely removed, features entirely removed, and somehow an even worse PvP mode.
Thank you for the communication, transparency and for taking the initiative and polemical move to delay. The goal should always be to aim for the best quality. It is a game and we can wait. :) Force to you for the work to be done!
Please do take all the time you need, The release was timed similarly to a LOT of other things i was excited for so now i have time for both those and PoE2
Transparent, upfront, takes responsibility, apologizes. The four horsemen of the gigachad
this tbh
Any other studio would release it broken and then blame the fans, and then send games "journalists" to do the same.
This. And you can actually see that Jonathan is upset about the delay.
Facts
not totally gigachad, he tried to guilt people with the "one of the promises we made was that all microtransactions will work across both poe 1 and 2 and in order to do that".
besides that it was a "ok" apology for the delay
I AM GETTING MARRIED IN DECEMBER AND NOW I HAVE TO POSTPONE THE WEDDING.
How will I explain this to her Jonathan Rogers?
LMAO xD
Co-op honeymoon
That's a tough one to be in, oh well gl
"My wife left me any% speedrun"
hahaha
Jonathan nailed that thumbnail expression
Excited for the next Worst MMO Ever video
Praise be unto poundland Richard Madden!
"The PoE 2 situation is crazy" ahh thumnail
@@iamcerealman102 exactly lol
Oh hi Josh!
Path of Exile 2 isn’t delayed by three weeks. In actuality, Diablo 4’s life expectancy just simply got extended by three weeks
Hahaha, that's hilarious and true 🤣
Yes Diablo 4 which has made billions of dollars is worried about a indie AA game thats super niche *sigh*.... that being said Cool PoE is good and so is diablo 4 now, get over it. Time to move on.
Good one
@@Zeroflax .... super niche... it's always weird to see people who ignore SO much data in the wild. How do you even live?
@@galadine12 yes it is wild you can’t understand that data…. Poe is niche there is no denying that. Cope harder.
You can tell he's heartbroken.
This isn't something you rush. Take your time. We will be here.
I feel crushed, but I understand and I would hate to have day 1 launch issues.
Yea, we got Satisfactory and Factorio to work through before I'll even be touching POE 2. Take your time. I'd even say fuck it and take the holiday, we'll see you guys in January.
@@CODE-BROWN Hey your a cool dude. You pretty much named the only dev's in the industry I care about. You have good taste.
NO I WANT IT NOW WITH THE BUGS, TIRED OF WAITING
Goddamn right we will
Other developers need to take note THIS is how you communicate with your audience. Take all the time you need guys we’re not going anywhere!
It was never a knowledge gap of them knowing how they should behave. A lot of people don't realise, it's their complete disregard and disrespect twoards their customers. They treat customers like shit on purpose not because of lack of knowing how to treat customers properly. Unlike the money printing monkeys some developers are actual gamers and care, like GGG or Larian.
Hello TeamCherry Silksong
@@williamcezarbill If you are saying that Team Cherry isn't doing a good job communicating, you are wrong in my opinion.
Team Cherry never said when they will release Silksong, thus they do not need to communicate to their audience on a regular basis. They just need to make the game.
To be fair, a playable Hornet was what Kickstarter supporters paid for, but that then turned into a whole new game. So the first trailer from February 14th, 2019 and their video being transparent explaining what is going to happen was very good.
But since then, all you need to do is wait until the game is finished. So no, Team Cherry does not need to communicate more with their fans. Would be nice, but absolutely not necessary, especially if it takes away from developing the game and making it the best it can be.
lol blizzard doing much better
Only works because they will follow through. If blizzard did this we’d be like hahahaha nice try bud you’re about to release a turd.
I have to say I am disappointed that they're not planning on releasing a buggy mess. I guess this means GGG isn't a triple A developer yet
I hope they never are if that's the qualification!
It just means they're not ready to make "Quadruple A" titles yet, which is for the best
Only triple G
No, they're a triple G developer :)
kek
My heart skipped a beat when this showed up in my feed, thank god I noticed the "Posted 1 month ago" as soon as I did.
same, lol.
Tomorrow in the offices: "I need to reschedule my PTO".
Also seems like someone applied a vaal orb on those databases, glad they didn't disappear completely...
OR you can sched another. Be wise my friend. I already know i'm going to be sick that day and will need days to recover. lmao
I think I'm already wise. I haven't booked one :D
Goddamn double corrupt chance to roll implicits " does not decode properly " and " database fk' are sometimes duplicated unexpectedly "
This is pretty typical. You ever tried merging two hospital systems? *cries*
@@bradleycrouch8448 my heart goes out to you solider
Thanks for the transparency. Can't wait for the livestream!
Taiwan is a free country.
long live indonesia!!! greetings from Como, IT
This is exactly how a Game Director takes accountability in a transparent and informative way.
We are with you Jonathan, can't wait for POE2!
Anything but stepping down
What happened? I can see it in the background. You cram your workforce into 'not-even-cubicles' with no windows and expect a product from the heart to release? 🙃
@@williamyoung9401 wips increase productivity by 99% !!! Buy now on sale !
Nah u cant get mad at someone like him *.* yet still i truly make all my plany around that release date :D
"Late is just for a little while, suck is forever."
-GabeN
That was true in the 90s where you shipped on CD's and couldnt just update the game
@@fergus247 What is the first picture in your head when you think to Cyberpunk or No Man's Sky for example? They are both great games today, but they will be suck forever. Also, how many sales they lost because of the bad release.
@@merlinwarage well cp 2077 came to its feets again and cdprojekt made even a dlc which i believe it sold quite what you are on about
Every single time GGG has delayed something it's always been spectacular on release so this is more promising than anything.
Good point . . . keep delaying GGG!
Copium
frfr
@@Full_Cs except they're right. There's no copium here.
This delay isn't something amazing though, it's just a promise he intends to keep at all costs. The game is probably playable enough in its current state and already better than 90% of its competitors. Whilst I'm super excited to play, I also don't mind waiting another month-year for it. Doubt they would delay it that much, but Cyberpunk has taught me that patience is key to a good experience.
TBH, I care less about the cosmetic carry over, and more about whether my delapidated pc will run the game. Either way, Captain Rogers has my utmost respect, this is not a bs or pity post, it's informative, apologetic and to the point.
Now I just hope that Warframe and PoE dates don't overlap... Both have some pretty huge updates/ releases coming.
holy crap imagine actually explaining in detail why you're delaying a launch/release. Coming across as sincere. wow. impressed ngl
L bozo
Thos should be a default behaviour to every dev. Sad times we praise them for things we should be taking for granted. :(
On top of that this game launch is an Early Access release, which is not expected to be a finished game. 3 weeks is nothing
The release was two weeks before my final exams, now it's one week after the exams. Couldn't be happier. You take your time, thanks for the honest and clear communication!
now you dont have to worry you dont study properly xD but get to play the game after all your hard work, a bit like a reward, also good luck
couldnt get any more perfect for ya lmao. good luck with ur exams!
your grades got saved
You might have a chance at a future now!
This changed it from right after my reading week to right before my finals 💀🫥 guess I'm waiting a couple weeks to play the EA
How to communicate with your fanbase 101.
You just keep adding to the pile of reasons I feel good about supporting the studio for several years already and probably many to come still.
Take your time!! We support you!!
I hadn’t even finished the video. But with all the BS of half baked games, it’s wild to know this much care is being put into a free to play game
no we don't
@@capybara6535oh yes we do.
I got back another 3 weeks of my life before I lose it.
@@capybara6535haha, your comment does.
For the algorithm!!!
You've played yourself.
WHAT GAME DEVS SHOULD BE DOING. Being transparent, open and honest. And also keeping a standard and not stopping until it’s met. Bravo team. Keep pushing and well done on your job so far!!
As a Data Engineer, this is my worst nightmare lol
I am learning databasing and just finish intro to databasing with learning SQL queries and hearing their databases are yet to be compatible made my heart sink because i know enough now to know that if i was working on that id be stressed out of my mind hahaha. I can only image how the data egnieers feel at GGG.
Yeah 😂 first thing i was thinking when they said the two games would have merged mtx and stuff 😂 the web chaos of data 😂
Honestly if this is the issue, 3 weeks isn’t that long of a delay compared to delays in similar projects😅
As the same, it is also my bane... ugh
This promise to transfer all the mtx was probably a mistake, I think it was the reason for a lot of the delays. Should've just given everyone some stash tabs and some shop currency to buy whatever they want if they had mtx in poe 1. The choice to do it like this not only probably added massive delays, but the colorful crazy mtx from poe 1 might look out of place in 2.
I’m a boat mechanic and had taken😂 time off for the launch. Was totally pumped till yesterday, went to parents house to go have dinner and mom says “hey you got a letter”. She hands me the letter and it’s a jury duty envelope. My heart sunk when I read the dates for it.
So this news today was just music to my ears.
Let them cook!!!
Fate is on your side it seems.
Imagine building so much trust with your playerbase that practically no one is upset and everyone is understanding and supportive of a delay. Rarely any or perhaps no other company could in this day and age. GGG are truly the best.
Can say DE also is one.
Coffeestain too
GGG does a lot of bizarre things and they tend to only half-apologize for game mechanics. But when they legitimately apologize for something you know they're not messing around. Johnathan's apology was sincere and quite frankly is the kind of thing I'd be saying to my stakeholders at work in a similar situation. GGG has a lot of goodwill, even though we bitch about them all the time and Johnathan is trying to make his Magnum Opus.
We can wait a bit longer :)
I think this happens because, others companies delay their games for 4 months but the actual game isnt even half baked, ans ggg has shown that delays on their part are "simple" bug fixing and making everything 100% so that inconveniences for players don't happen. I think thats why we think different when its them
@vansitcodarring8855 its funny how all these are relatively small companies. Nobody here says EA or ubisoft
You wouldn't see this from Blizzard Entertainment in your lifetime.
Even if you did, players would be livid. Difference is that Blizzard hasn't done anything to earn any goodwill of the playerbase.
Currently going through the exact opposite on the WOW's 20 year anniversary event no less. Rushed, boring content that caused game breaking bugs and performance issues upon release. And we're paying a subscription fee for that shit. On top they had the audacity to release a $90 dollar store mount alongside that whole mess. Unbelievable.
yeah, they would just release a bad product and then fix it later (if they fix it at all)
ye like they didnt delay shadowlands launch by a month, oh right they did
or Activision, or EA, or Ubisoft...and the list goes...
As a backend engineer, you cannot ever take infrastructure for granted. Last Epoch is a great game whose launch was marred by server-side issues from the unexpectedly high load, and they didn't have 10+ years of transaction data to straighten out.
I'm really pleased you're taking the proper precautions, and eagerly anticipating the chance to take a look.
It was mostly services out of their control from azure for game services that was not used in any large capacity before. (Looking at you gamefab 👀)
A not toxic communication for a not toxic community. You deserve all the time you need for all the love you gave us for many years.
“A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.”
So true. Much rather wait for a smooth game.
I like the sentiment, but it’s not always true. Look at No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk’s come back
true, that being said, miyamoto said that in a time where correction patches were virtually impossible, so nowadays that holds less trueness
Duke Nukem Forever has entered the chat.
dammit, you beat me to it.
I just want to put out there, I have nothing but respect for you making this statement.
I love the direct, transparent response addressing the problem. Quality takes time. We can wait. o7
Much love and good luck fixing the tech issues!
PoE1 turned into bad quality game, i doubt PoE2 will be any different
@@fergus247 TF it did. It's the greatest game ever made and with AAA games being so so bad nowadays, this is for some of us our last hope of playing a good game again that is also new.
@@fergus247 how did poe1 turn into a bad quality game? the only thing i can think of is that the leagues are hit or miss, mostly miss in the past couple of years since most of the team moved over to poe2, but still, the core of the game is just really good.
@@fergus247 The only real framing of this that I feel I could agree with you on is I do wish there was more build diversity in terms of what the actual input from the user was doing, since a lot of builds turn into one core button to do all the heavy lifting and everything else supporting that, or I think the game could use more clarity on how mechanics and systems work without such massive dependencies on community made resources.
... buuuuuut, PoE 2 is trying really hard to address the first issue, which is already super subjective, and I feel a lot of the fun of the build is understanding how all the pieces fit together to make it work, not the complex inputs required by the user to string ideal combos or anything, just knowing all the layers to make your attack do some really wild shit is really fun to a lot people.
and GGG 100% imo could do better in guiding the new player along, but to pivot to FFXIV for a second, something mentioned to me before was that a lot of the game was obtuse to new players, but that's kind of a good thing, as it promotes asking questions and more community interaction, and I think PoE is kind of similar in that way? I don't know if I fully agree with it if that's the idea behind their approach, but PoE has a really strong community, and being encouraged to interact with the community to find the resources and tools you need to improve in the game helps make it special.
Outside of those two points though, Idk how you can say PoE is a bad game, you're totally within your right to not like a game, but there's a difference between "I don't like this" and "This is bad", Subjective Vs Objective statements.
@@Zoltri The amount of buttons you have to press to play a game does not matter when it comes to making it better. There are games that requires a ton of input that are bad, and then there are games that requires a ton of input that are good. So the amount of input available and or required of the player is irrelevant when it comes to the quality of a game. Likewise there are games that requires little input that are good, and there are games that require little input that are bad. So im not sure why you make this point
+1000 Social Credit for transparency ⬆️
LOL
aaaaahm i think in "social credit land" transparance is a "-1000" :P but we get the meaning
ice witch 1d build when
Now we have time for more builds, right?)
Take your time. We'll be here waiting. You've done so much for us over the years. I'll keep buying the supporter packs to show my appreciation for your expertise.
You Son of A! ... Wonderful mother that brought up an honest, direct, with interity gentlemen, strong enough to do the right thing.
Thank God, my Factorio factory can still keep growing!
Yes, THE FACTORY MUST GROW
Mine needs to grow then keep growing haha
😂 FOR REAL... was kinda sad that I would have to quit my Factorio playthrough for POE2
now this isn't a crossover I was expecting when I clicked on this video
@@piotrsykut6999 Gears 😉
As disappointed as I am to hear this, I also work with a legacy database. So I know _exactly_ what you're talking about. I do not envy the people who have to sort through that 10+ year old DB and correct all the anomalies.
3 weeks isn't enough for that, see you all in April
@@AhaOk2398 My thoughts exactly. 2024 ain't gonna be the PoE II EA year. Merging DB's requires pros, hope they aren't doing it inhouse
@@AhaOk2398 do you think they just started working on the database ?
@@megaabux6377 that's what's said in the video
@@tangman9890 if you`ve checked exilecon interview with a guy, who made the engine stuff, i can assure you they are the pros. Maybe they lack some specific knowledge at some specific problems, but my god, they know their stuff
THE BRAVE MAN IS THE ONE THAT ABLE TO SAY SORRY.
Appreciate the transparency!
Me too
A Game Director actually taking accountability? Wow. No apologies necessary. It's refreshing to see this kind of transparency and prioritization of quality.
Take your time. I respect the fact you guys are being open about it. Ill wait for as long as you guys need me too because at the end of the day, the product will be everything i hoped for and more.
Nice communication, that's all we are waiting for. Thanks GGG.
funny.
How when a company does something you do not like, but says theyre sorry, explain why, give extra info, and even blame themselves makes u believe in them more.
Because unlike many other companies that have delayed their games in recent times, Jonathan here shows absolute no bs policy "this is the problem, this is how much time it will take"
that's called being naive and stupid consumer.
Psychology is easy when you get the hang of it.
@@Mrfiufaufou the surprising thing is how often folks have no hang of it
That's true for big ass companies. GGG has us with'em because they have always been transparent and have always listened to the community. Also most of us also play other games and have experienced rushed releases that disapointed us very hard(for me it was CS2), and I dont want POE to be a shame
Takes a man to stand up and take the blame. You sir are a man. Thank you for your honesty and openness. We salute you.
Apologizing is not how you take responsibility, but i will let this one slide since the release date is not that important to players. There is going to be more serious issues with the game i think. But lets see
"But I'm no longer confident we could do it without making mistakes, and these are the kind of mistakes we can't let happen." Responsibility and ethics steering a product release, as opposed to a mad rush for profits. It's like an oasis in the desert.
Much love to you guys, and thanks so much for taking the extra time to get the quality right! You're awesome!
Thanks for keeping us in the loop and appreciate the transparency. Can't wait for the livestream!
All good take all the time you need. ❤
So now we now the name of the god of transparency: Jonathan Rogers. Thanks GGG for being resposible and thoughtful. POE2 must have the best 1st impression for the playerbase and we respect your intention to do things right aiming for it.
Coming back here after the first migration attempt: This decision aged *VERY* well. Johnathan making this call was *100% correct* and has saved us and them a *ton* of headaches.
1:18 "... we could possibly have made the original launch date, but I am no longer confident we could do it *without making mistakes"*
As of me writing (14. Nov) the original launch would have been *tomorrow* and the migration patch of yesterday has just just failed. This would have been a *very bad* launch for PoE2 and a massive stressful blunder for GGG. With the game thus delayed they now still have time to make corrections and get things right.
Again: GG Johnathan for making the right call.
Hey Johnathan. Thank you for being open and direct with this.
Does it suck? A little. But the fact that you take care of the game and your team this way speaks volumes to the quality of your character. Please send the best regards to the people resolving these issues as well as the entire team at GGG. I know that you are working very hard and trying your best. I fully understand that this is something you don't want to fumble at the finish line.
lying trash devs
mate, we got your back. Thanks for the transparency and hopefully you get all the stuff done with the 3 extra weeks.
First time ever I see so many people saying "that is okay" when the game is delayed. Gained respect of players❤
Woudl be ok if they had said that 1 month ago. Now it is too late to reschedule my PTO.
its just to late
because the company deserves respect. cant say that from a lot of big companies nowadays. respect goes both ways
Those who want respect, give respect.
@@tiagostein4057 Where do you work that is so strict on your PTO ? Then again I am assuming you aren't a director or something that the company relies on.
The thumbnail for explaining the 3.26 delay is gonna look just like this
Take all the time you need!! I appreciate how you guys are making this perfect as possible. Migrating microtransactions to a new game looks rough!
I really like that the person giving the explanation understands the exact reasons for the delay and gives specific examples of what needs to be done. Take the time you need, you got my support ⚔️
Man, I love this company and how clearly they communicate with the community.
No worries about the delay! This merely gives some of the games I am playing right now a chance of being finished before my free time becomes consumed by PoE2. 😅
You guys are the best! I’m not even mad or disappointed. Thanks for notifying us
This is ALL WE WANT from DEVs Honesty and Knowing what is happening, great Job Rogers. Very happy with this video and the ethics.
Dec 6th is basically even better. Nearly in time for the Christmas holiday
Good point. Planned?
Sad news! But I appreciate that you are being transparent and taking your time to do it right.
seeing this today made me almost die
He's upset! First time ever I see this while being upfront and clear about it. We believe in you GGG you are the real goats and am SO EXCITED for the BEST game ever to exist coming soon!
Me too. Usually companies tweet about game delays in one post, as callously as possible. after this video immediately gets +rep to ggg
Of all the developers in the industry today, GGG is one of the FEW that deserve patience and respect. They've treated the community very well and with all that to perfect and test, it is totally valid. I'm so grateful for the countless hours I've gotten out of PoE 1 and I'm thrilled to spend even more time playing PoE 2.
The devs themselves on most games deserve respect its mostly upper management and the stakeholders at the top who shouldnt be respected. The devs are doing what they are told sadly and its sad to see that people think they have power to create realistic deadlines for their work when its not at all possible sometimes. Look at the crunch time that some devs are pressured to do to finish a product. Its shocking
@@LazurizSolari Crunch times haven't been much of a thing for a long while bud. Nice argument.
@@voxii_13 sorry to inform you, but a release date/deadline IS a "crunch time"
@@CrazVidzNot only that, you need to have more “crunch times” to be ready for testing way before the actual release date. You need to make sure your code can’t be exploited and users aren’t vulnerable, etc
Mad respect. As an industry vet from the PS1-PS3 era, I am happy we are finally seeing studios stand up and doing the right thing. Waiting for things to be ready before asking for money from us. We appreciate you.
Well said.
Don't worry. You did so much for us like no other studio did. Thanks and take your time. Stay healthy and safe
Absolutely nothing to apologize about. You guys have earned our trust in full, and delaying for this reason is more than understandable. We'll be here for whenever it's ready, and we're so excited to experience what you've created.
As I dev myself, I feel totally related. Data migrating hardly ever goes well the first time you try to do it.
it breaks my heart this really breaks my heart but i know this is for the better
your words are enough thank you for your time to tell us the news better 4 weeks than 4 months
No worries, I'll move my PTO around, thanks for the heads up :)
Take your time.
Maybe give your developers a window? Oh, and their own desk? 🤨
Dont worry we can wait, and ty for your hard work!
youtube show me that today, i shat my self.
I had a random thought yesterday that the next vid we'd see was a delay video. This is my fault Jonathan not yours. Take your time!
you jinxed it for everyone man haha
lol same
RIP 3.25 will never end
That’s what I’m worried about .. because they definitely won’t release poe 1 next season near poe 2 so it’s gonna be the usual delay for poe 1 lol
Delaying 3.26 for PoE2 would be an extremely bad start.
10 months league nice
Yeah and they are supposed to be separate games, I don't care about poe2 at all, this is just bad faith.
I updoot cause it really does feel like its been a year already and it's still not over
❤ cant wait to play. Keep up the good work and take your time
Fuck me, why did this get recommended to me right before the launch, I nearly cried.
Nothing to be sorry about, development estimates are notoriously notorious. This is the reasonable course of action and I appreciate the technical explanation.
Take all the time you need! Love how you guys keep up the engagement with the community and keep things authentic. This type of work is f’n complicated and you guys are doing everything in your power to deliver on every front. Start the pre-release when you are proud of the state of the game and we will be ready!
Looks like I'm Kalgurian for another month 😂
1 more month of cowgirls LFG
you can play d4😂
@Mahavitt I could but I won't.
Thank you for the open communication and thank you for taking the time to get it right.
Nah, i'm sad about the delay but I'm happy that you guys are commited to launch an early access in a better state than most releases nowsdays. Keep up the good work.
Transparency is best Jonathan and team!! Like Gaben said, late is for a little while, suck is forever
Gaben and Miyamoto were always famously quoted for that, but they weren't the ones that came up with it. Someone working at Origin systems originally said it in the 80's.
It still rings true, regardless of who said it first.
I'm a software developer of 10 years. Migrating data, re-modeling it and making it backwards compatible sounds like such a challenge. It's a huge process of performing the migration itself and then also testing it all out and that "everything should work as before", for every single player. Thank you for being so honest, take your time. We'll still be here 🙏
This is pretty much a data engineer worst's nightmare hahaha
Same day Twice release their new album!. Playing my favorite game while blasting their new album. December 6 will be the best day of my life.
Take as long as you need!
Take your time❤ I'll wait
Look at all the positive comments! Not sure I have seen such an amazing response before to disappointing news. It goes to show that transparency in this industry is a strategy that not only works in a studios favour, it harbours a huge amount of loyal fans willing to consume everything you put out. Probably forever.
or maybe its just the poe community has no dignity. right now this news is only seen by the most hardcore poe players. just wait until poe2 hits the mainstream on steam. i have seen games ripped apart for much less (see overwatch2)
@@hfweuiofnweuio500 Overwatch2 didn't get ripped apart for "much less", it got ripped apart for literally scamming it's buyers, and then trying to weasel out of their promises. on top of making other controversial changes to the pvp mode too.
Also, normal players who aren't super invested in poe and poe2, will not even see this, and if they do they will literally just go "meh". It's the hardcore players that would be most outraged at this, which isn't really happening as you can see. They promised that all your cosmetics and stash tabs will transfer over, if they broke that promise the ensuing shitstorm would be similar to that of overwatch 2. And it'd be well deserved.
@@hfweuiofnweuio500 Actual brainrotted blizz shill comment. OW2 was a complete scam. It was supposed to be a completely new experience with a massive PvE mode that was a completely new game added on its own but what was shipped was just OW1 with its player friendly systems completely removed, features entirely removed, and somehow an even worse PvP mode.
People are sick of the fake corporate bullshit and just want honesty. It goes a long way.
@@notskrub7013 Buyers?
Appreciated to be transparent and honest. Looking forward for december !
Respect for the honesty
I got recommended this video and thought it was new and got so upset...
It's alright! :)
Thank you for the communication, transparency and for taking the initiative and polemical move to delay. The goal should always be to aim for the best quality. It is a game and we can wait. :)
Force to you for the work to be done!
WE WILL WAIT BROTHER !!! Lets get it right the first time.
Literally the best apology I‘ve heard in my entire life. Are these boys bad at anything?
Worth the wait take your time i know it will blow our socks off getting a new PC just bc of this game
Thanks for keeping us posted. Take the time needed. Cheers
No Problem! We all love poe2 and we will wait. Thank you for your epologise!
Take your time. But some events like endless delve on 15 of November would be much appreciated. Some cant just reschedule anymore :(
Take your time ❤
We all apreciate the transparency and hope everything goes smooth with the databases ! Take all the time needed , we will be here.
Please do take all the time you need, The release was timed similarly to a LOT of other things i was excited for so now i have time for both those and PoE2
PoE2 is an awesome game. Keep up and take your time. As we say, no one will remember the rubbish that is released on time.
Good things come to those how wait 0:38
Thank you for the update Jonathan. Respect for owning the unexpected delayed. Looking forward to December.