This and That: ISU Grand Prix Final Preview & Tallinn Trophy (Nathan Chen, Shoma Uno, Rika Kihira)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- On this week's episode of 'This and That," we preview next weekend's ISU Grand Prix Final in Vancouver and discuss this weekend's Tallinn Trophy.
Nathan Chen and Shoma Uno look to be the main challengers for gold in the men's event, while the ladies' event features Alina Zagitova, Rika Kihira, Satoko Miyahara, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Kaori Sakamoto and Sofia Samodurova, all of whom look to have a potential to medal. The dance event features a three-way showdown between Madison Hubbell and Zachary Donohue, Alexandra Stepanova and Ivan Bukin, and Viktoria Sinitsina and Nikita Katasalapov. The pair event looks like a face-off between Vanessa James and Morgan Cipres from France and Evgenia Tarasova and Vladimir Morozov.
At the 2018 Tallinn Trophy, Karen Chen made a return to competition but withdrew after the short program. Vincent Zhou continued to receive underrotations. Ting Cui displayed great potential.
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When I watch the Kentucky Derby every year I select my first, second, and third horse (I’m actually quite good at it, I don’t know how) and then I select a forth horse. A horse that I feel may not win but has the spirit to win. A horse that if it won I would run around like a town crier and say “I told you!” to everyone as I did in 2009 with Mine That Bird when 13 year old Savannah picked the winner and won $400 dollars. For me, Kaori Sakamoto is that horse.
TIMESTAMPS:
2:15 - Starting discussions
3:13 - Canadians (Thank You Canada, Stars on Ice Canada) + show skating talk
8:57 - GPF Men
15:22 - GPF Ladies
30:16 - GPF Pairs
34:24 - Zagreb (Golden Spin) Pairs
38:05 - GPF Dance
43:43 - People of note going to Zagreb (aka. mini US nationals)
46:01 - Japanese documentary on Eteri's rink/Junior girls
47:40 - Tallinn Trophy discussion intro
48:12 - Karen Chen & giving opportunities to other skaters
54:02 - Vincent Zhou
57:42 - Ting Cui & developmental feedback of US skaters
1:00:56 - Tarah Kayne & Danny O'Shea
1:01:40 - The American judge bias at Tallinn
1:03:27 - Miriam Ziegler & Severin Kiefer + German skating docu of Jutta Muller with Ingo Steuer
1:05:41 - Laurence Fournier Beaudry & Nikolaj Sorensen + Canadian ice dance situation (Carolane Soucisse & Shane Firus)
1:11:32 - Closing statements + tidbits on Tallinn Trophy
In Evgenia's absence, I would love to see Elizaveta win here! I'm so impressed with her post-Olympic season comebacks - who knows, maybe she can keep it going and win a medal at the next Olympics! She has the advantage of having finished growing at the relatively short height of 5'2" and who knows how Eteri's junior ladies will be built in a few years. Even if some of the juniors do make it (I love Kostornaia and hope that she does well for many years to come), Elizaveta could stay competitive if she keeps up her current improvement. Her 3A is brilliant and I could see her learning a 4T or 4Lz as well
@LaB Oh no :( If that decision makes her happy, I'm okay with it - but I thought she would stick around. When did she announce it? I tried to look for it quickly, and I found this article from earlier this year suggesting that she hasn't decided yet: www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/vaytsekhovskayas-interview-with-tuktamysheva.104348/
@lawomann I know she doesn't have the insanely tiny frame that those junior girls do, but she is muscular and I still think her height is an advantage. A lot of Eteri's girls who keep getting taller look like they are incredibly thin in part to prevent from getting even taller and to compensate for how tall they already are. Also, I don't think Elizaveta's body has changed in many years and I doubt that it will again. Those young girls will constantly have to make small adjustments to their technique (at best - I suspect some will really have to relearn a lot) until they stop growing, which may take a while.
shes a brilliant jumper but she has some of the most hideous choreography ive ever seen
@@kirstenneville1934 I agree that the choreography could be better (although I find the cantilever impressive, I'm definitely not a huge fan of fist pumping or whatever that's supposed to be that she does with it), but I do think she picked music that suits her skating better this season and overall I think that the choreography is improving, though there's still a lot of room to grow. Do you know who choreographs for her? Maybe she needs someone different who can give her better choreo/choreo that works better for her
@@kirstenneville1934 Choreography aside, I also really enjoy her personality and I think it's refreshing to watch someone who is motivated to skate and compete (at least partially) because she really loves it. I also love that she has a healthy body with powerful muscles she embraces it.
that Nastia comeback reference I'm dying 😂😂😂
“The Russians are coming” and I cannot wait
I think first and second will be between Shoma and Nathan and then any of the other 4 could win bronze
Agreed.
I loved the distinction they made about a skater with great SS and an artist. I absolutely love Kaori's skating and her inherit charm (plus she absolutely should beat sofia because she's so much better in both tech and pcs but let's not talk about that) but I really do hope she works a little bit more on her artistry and posture this season.
Skaters I'm most looking forward to seeing live: Kostornaia, Scherbakova, Nathan, Jun, Satoko and pretty much all the ice dancers...
With the absence of Yuzuru,I want Nathan and Rika to win 😍
why do I have a feeling that Alina Is going to have a 'Nutcracker' program next season
Keely Fallis omg, I hope not!
Shhhhh!!! Don't give Danny Any ideas!
Keely Fallis medley of DQ, Swan Lake, Nutcracker, Phantom, Carmen.... more Carmen, Riverdance, and Carmen. Pretty much what every 17 yr old has on their trusty Walkman. At least throw some BlackPink beats underneath.
May be that's because its a ballet, and Alina out of 4 programs in seniors has 3 ballet-related programs. 2 of them she literally permormed in a ballet costume (tutu skirt).
@@annystasia Jesus. you took my comment to heart. it is not that deep. I think it is probably because of the movie and daniil gleikhengauz never has original ideas.
The nastia comment had me dying 😂😂. I also watch a ton of gymnastics. I'm so excited to see how UCLA does this year and cant wait to see laurie Hernandez's come back
Too soon!
Vincent did scale back a bit with the quads, only trying 2 in the free skate, but he still got calls on all of them at Tallinn Trophy. It was an okay event for Tarah & Danny, underrotation issues and not a great score. They don't stand out against a team like Ziegler & Kiefer. They were behind a random Italian pair and the new US pair in the SP, who were also oddly overscored. They really need to be on otherwise their scores haven't held up well. In ladies, it was a promising score for Ting given the mistakes, especially compared to how the other US ladies tend to fare. The 3Lz-3T is a wow element when she's on.
I'll really miss seeing Hanyu at the GP Final, it doesn't feel complete without him. Not only are there no Canadians in the field except Keegan, but the top skaters like Hanyu, Medvedeva, Papadakis & Cizeron who train in Canada aren't there either, so it was some bad luck for the host country. But the event will be great anyway.
I love your Tarasova impressions haha
Guys, I swear I heard PJ Kwong's voice doing the English announcements at the Football World Cup in Russia during the Summer. And when I checked her Twitter, she was actually in Russia! 😮⚽🇷🇺
I have such a soft spot for Vincent I hope he gets better coaches soon.
A Jutta Meuller documentary !
Omg. I’m so there
I'm from Quebec, and it is Laurence Fournier-Beaudry. I think for the three names, it is because in the province of Quebec the parents can both give their name to their child.
Here's an article I found that explains it : In the early 1980s, the law allowed women to give their family names to their children. This trend culminated in 1992, when 22% of children inherited the double name.Since then, the trend is in free fall. The double name, considered one of the gains of the feminist struggle for equality, gives way to the return of tradition.
Hope that answers your questions Dave :) Always nice to listen to you!
I cannot unhear PJ Kwong announcing the 2010 Olympics now, it's like when I found out that Ellen was Dory!!
fivepurplehai :)
I have such a soft spot for the Tallinn Trophy because that is the competition where Aliona and Bruno made their international debut.
The music has become so bad I mostly watch with sound off. Something that may work for an Adele concert or an evening with Michael Bublé doesn’t necessarily translate to a figure skating routine. At least ballet music was meant to be danced to, although if one more swan straps on ice skates I may be forced to take up hunting! The point being with all the millions of choices it’s come to this. I’m starting a list an invite you all to add to it of songs I never want to hear at a figure skating contest again! 1-Carmen 2-swan lake.3-anything by Andrew L. Weber 4 well you get the point
Roberta Flack is the Aunt of Rory Flack. Rory has not coached Keegan Messing for a few years as she is no longer based in Alaska. She assisted in coaching duties and choreographed for Keegan while she lived there. I wish she would do more choreography for top level skaters as she really knows how to make people look good on the ice.
I love her!
The pronunciation of last names of Russian skaters from the guy in the black shirt is just amazing. It sounds like he would be a native Russian. I would believe that he is a native Russian, but he doesn't have any Russian accent in English. So maybe he has Russian roots? Anyway very good pronunciation!
If you're ready to compete a new short program barely two weeks after creating it, is the music really more than background noise.
giamorrisonjc pair elements take up so much time in a short program that it is a joke amount pair skaters to say they are getting footwork choreographed.
Haha I didn't know that, but that sounds pretty accurate. I don't really mind as I am someone who really loves to watch pairs for the pair elements themselves, but it would be nice if the skaters had a bit more time.
So upsetting not to see Piper & Paul at the GPF :(
Gentlemen no mention of this weekends British championships. I'm crestfallen lol
@Elle Harnois Natasha McKay followed by karly Robertson and Kirsten spouts who won junior gold
I’m not surprised xD it was very good though! All the men especially have improved so much and I really believe we’re on the verge of a British Ice Dance come back.
Who would you like to see Ting with? I agree the level of guidance the USFSA is giving these skaters is inadequate.
Well my Christmas decorations can wait I guess :) loving the tsl sundays! Also really excited for the pre american nationals match ups. Ps Karen Chen looked lost, just lost..
Patrick S ya. I really wanted to see KC do well this year. Was hopeful that with the US title off her shoulders she would settle in and find her groove this season. And no audience. Just looked like a sad situation.
Vincent Zhou needs a new coach. The things Tom Z said in his facebook rant tells me that he just isn't a good coach. Really - teaching that 180 degree pre-rotation is okay? Claiming that it's okay to not be rotated at the blade as long as the shoulders are around? A small part of me feels sorry for Zhou - he seems to have been trained poorly and now it's going to be so difficult to fix his jumps. I agree that he should probably focus on re-building his jumps 1 by 1 while working on improving the non-jump aspects.
For the GPF, unless the patterns of the GOE change drastically, Shoma needs to fall like 5 times with others skating well for him to fall below 2nd. He made 4 major mistakes in Skate Canada and 3 at NHK and his numbers are still well above everyone but Chen and Hanyu. The gold medal is in his control - it's just a question of whether he'll splat enough times for Nathan to get it.
it's really between him and Nathan at the GPF
I think he's just trying to replicate the sucess eteri has with her students pre rotating. And it worked, only for the korean girls though
I don’t know. If Chen is the skater we saw at the WC in Milan then I don’t think Uno can beat him. It’s a shame he seems to always be the bridesmaid and never the bride.
Also Chen’s points in the GP, despite dialling back the difficulty and the falls, were very close to Uno despite it falls. Perhaps if both go clean they’ll still be close.
@@DSQueenie like even also Nathan is not doing alot of quards anymore like he has the quard king but he is doing somesome diffrent
10% Straight it’s too late to matter...
I just want Rika Kihira to win !
French canadians tend to give both the mother's and father's family names. It is not allowed in Quebec for married women (or men) to change their last names so many children end up with two last names, but not always. Many parents still give only the name of the father.
I remember being really happy with PJ Kwong's pronunciation of almost all names in the 2010 Olympics. Her accentuations and inflections for Mao "Asada and Yah-na Kim are subtly accurate. Also the Russian names.
I wish Nastia started a few months earlier... and gotten surgery on her shoulder after 2009 Nationals.
I cannot stand Hubbell and Donohue's free dance this season, the tired music and her drab costume really don't show off their dynamic partnership. Last season they looked so new, I don't know what they were thinking with Romeo and Juliet. Stepanova/Bukin have the momentum to beat them and I hope they do.
Grisgris I’m petitioning to make their Janele Monae ex in to FS. R&J triggers me. Especially when you think that they are older and experienced and I think that they shouldn’t try to go for young love FD ever. Romeo and Juliet were kids in the story.
Grisgris * I agree somewhat (although I still want them to win!) I miss last season’s FD so much. And their exhibition skate makes me weep because it’s just exactly what I love about them and their FD doesn’t suit them at all and I hate the music edit. But technically I still love watching them.
I have to say, Pasquale Camerlengo’s choreography was better.
@@misskit123 I love them too! Which is why I was all huh? When I saw this year's FD
Ya'll Jus' throwing out that 1960's-70's Diana Ross and the Supremes drama reference all casual like! I heard that and was like "Dayumm, not even dating oneself, that's like some carbon dating!" Going ALL the way back ha ha!
Evan Perilstein lol yes Im very aware of that, that's why I said it's not even "dating oneself, it's carbon dating" carbon dating being the process of finding the age of fossils and prehistoric artifacts lol
Thank u for posting
Ben Ben you’re very welcome.
At Tallinn, I thought Kovtun looked more buff ,,,,but when you can win the SP when 1 of your 3 jumping passes is a double toe, shows what a weak field it was ...and why so many Carmen’s this year from the Russians?
Kaori - the little engine that could. Love it, and Kaori too.
I'm so rooting for Kostornaya! She has the most beautiful skating and program, but somehow her lutz gets "!", while Anya does not, even though her edge is flat mostly, and she has those quads, alena doesn't. So, my prediction is Sasha-Anya-Alena.
And in Ladies field my vote goes to Rika. I love Alina so much, but Rika is better on many levels, if she lands those triples, she's unbeatable. And yet again, if. I think it will be Alina, Rika, Satoko, and i'm not mad at all.
As for men, i'm glad for Keegan, I really like him, but do I even need to comment about how sad it is that Yuzu won't be here. I think (or hope?) it will be Shoma, Nathan, Keegan.
Alyona is fantastic but she does have a flutz, look closely. ! calls are pretty generous for her cause she should get (e) calls. Anna's lutz edge should get a ! call cause her edge is flat. But yeah i'd take Alyona over Sasha & Anna anyday. Her skating is just so fantastic
@@esml373 well, I can say that I've seen Alena's flat edge and Anya's inside edge for sure. I mean, judges and scores, we all know what's wrong with that
I love how you’re Russian language is improving 👍🏼❤️❤️❤️
Секрет Успеха Working on it :)
Omg yes I was hoping y’all would talk about tallinn!
YAY for the preview! I thought i was going to be in TSL withdraw this week. :) I am most looking forward to Avonley Nguyen and Vadym Kolesnki in the Jr. ice dance event. Thanks to your interview with Igor a bit earlier this year, I have really been drawn to their skating.
OK so the facts are, Shoma will win. The suspence tragically passed away the moment Yuzuru withdrew.
No one expects Tweedale and Buckland to win at Zagreb but it’s an important competition for them after this weekend’s British Nationals. Fear and Gibson are really starting to pull ahead of them and it’s important that they show that they can improve every competition as well.
Hopefully they can hit 170 -169 at Golden Spin and then by Euros be aiming for 173+. If they can improve every competition and show that progression then I see a brighter future for Ice Dance in the UK.
Fear and Gibson in the other hand I hope can maintain that 180 they got at nationals and even get to 185+. Then by worlds... fingers crossed!
Late for this, but about the double last name in Quebec... Since 1981, it has been illegal for women in Quebec to change their surname when they marry. This led to a bit of an equality movement in the 80s, where women wanted to also pass down their name for different reasons (political, being tied to their children, etc.). It was big from the early 80s and well into the 90s, but i think it’s much less common now. I grew up with a lot of kids with hyphenated names and many of them actually found it to be a bit of a burden and are not doing the same with their own kids (btw, only two last names are allowed; if both parents are hyphenated, they can only pick two of the four).
I was over tango season before it had begun! ;)
I'm most excited about this Kimmie Meissner interview.
Matthew Hines :)
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I hope to see you at the final!
Come say hi!
I love u guys but I think Nathan is going to win just saying
Timberlake Brolensky I think he has a great chance!
I am so sad about hanyu :(, he was planning to debut a quad axel. I know its unlikely but I would love if keegan came out of nowhere and won
Wishing him a speedy recovery!
pwetty4r4 He was never planning to debut the quad axel at the GPF even if he wasn’t injured
@@user-dw9rf3tm8q he actually said he was in one of the press conferences
pwetty4r4 In the GP Helsinki FS press conference, he said he would resume training the 4A after Japanese nationals.
"JULIEEEEEEEET" makes me grin just to think about him.
PJ did the announcing at Pyeonchang too, working with the Korean co-announcer according to her blog.
Zagitova
Kihira
Miyahara
Tuktamysheva
Sakamoto
Samadurova
Junhwan cha good luck at final!
Jonathan
I was at TTYCT Oshawa (where it was filmed) and there were no problems, so I'm not sure what the post-production issue is. I can tell you that they on did 1 re-skate from the first half (Meagan had to land her throw 3 lutz). The second half of the show is of a different format than SOI and isn't conducive to re-skates anyway.
I loved that Brian and Katerina tour. Much more targeted to the mature audience. Very sexy.
i would love to see two japanese on the podium at ladies event. i prefer them over the russians this year.
If everyone is clean, it’s Rika, Alina and Satoko, there’s no way they will put Liza ahead with the Worlds in Japan
Dear Dave & Jon, I really enjoy listening to your TSL videos with your juicy repartee and gossipy skating insights -- and I truly mean that in a sincere and positive way. I'm neither a super fan nor a figure skating expert like you guys are. But there's one thing that bothers and really baffles me... Why are you both always so snarky about Patrick Chan? In his prime, Patrick was by far my favorite skater. Watching Patrick skate was like watching Gene Kelly in "Singin' in the Rain." Magical! I've heard you complain about "Chanflation," how he has a big ego, how he might even be responsible with something going wrong with the recent attempt to televise the "The Thank You Canada Tour." Why, why, why???? Why are you so hard on Patrick? I have a suggestion. Please interview him! -- Sara Bellingham, WA
Sara Geballe I think you’re taking a light snark as something more. Patrick is indeed a wonderful skater. He also was a frustrating competitor who often made a lot of errors in a unique Patrick way. The term ‘Chanflation’ was used widespread in skating at the time. I actually used his skating as an example of wonderful transitions when Jenny and I initially broke down the components in 2013.
The TV broadcast comment was not meant to be mean or derogatory in any way. I was honestly just making a joke about what a post production error could be.
So how about interviewing him?
Sara Geballe we would certainly be open to it. Jenny and I actually texted with him about it a few years ago when he first came back. It was difficult to pin him down with his schedule.
Excellent! Perhaps now that he is in a post-competitive career place, has more time, looks happy, and seems to have accepted the ups and (sadly mostly) downs of his Olympics experiences, he has the distance and maturity to discuss all this -- which I think fans would find very interesting. Please keep me posted!
Zhenya is a like a "french" J as the first sound. Imagine saying Jenya in french and you will nail it.
Minah Braun never took French.
@@TheSkatingLesson sorry! I thought you spoke it after seeing the James/cipres interview. There's no ch sound at the end of the j like in English. But either way I love the respect you show making an effort to pronounce names from all over the world.
Or like Zsa Zsa Gabor 😂
The gold medal can either go to rika, alena, or satoko. This GPF will be intense.
The men have been quite inconsistent this year so i'm not too interested so far. Hopefully worlds will be more suspenseful.
It's Laurence Fournier-Beaudry ;)
Could you write the annoucer's name at the Olympics games?
Hi guys thank you for preview. Will Zagreb be on isu?
Paula Dimicello I usually watch once thing are posted on UA-cam for Zagreb.
Most looking forward to watching avonley nguyen and vadym kolesnik at the JGPF tbh. Just adore them. Also the ladies event with Rika in the GPF. It’s going to be exciting!!
Can you just apply for press and just sit on the stands without accreditation if they let you in to arena? 🧐 asking cause I really don’t know. We only have in Poland challenger-ish event when they doesn’t give an f what are you doing.
I hate Estonia challenger. The scores there are sometimes out of this world. Question then. How much influence has Zhulin in the European field? First polish team had a camp with him in the summer. Their edges are questionable and not fixed but they suddenly raised from 60 ish RD to 70 ish scores and FD scores on the level of Sara and Kiril. Wonder how much influence politics has on that.
Dave- are you actually old enough to have seen the Boitano Witt tour live?? I remember seeing that tour live in MSG and Brian’s “girlfriend” Yvonne Gomez skated so poorly. Her poor performance really brought down the energy in the show. I think that nepotism also had a hand in ruining pro skating. IMG/Disson used the same skaters over and over again.
Yay! Withdrawal is real, boys!
I am a huge fan of Madi & Zach and will be devastated if they don’t win gold without the French there. The Russians terrify me! (Even though I quite like them, Stepanova/Bukin and Zagorski/Guiererro especially)
@lawomann I'm chosing to believe that since they skated the first 2 GPs back to back they've had a lot of time to work to improve their programs. I'm praying they've done something with this music though, I hate that edit!
Nathan
Shoma
Juhn
Brez
Voronov
Keegan
Imo
29:04 :)
SinKats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bukins
I don't really care about the Grand Prix Final. I'm so excited about the Russian national championship for the ladies !!!! The field is gonna be amazing. My dream is to replace the world event with only russian and japanase skaters :-p, senior and junior. Imagine a showdown of these names, Alina Zagitova, Evgenia Medvedeva, Alexandra Trusova, Anna Shcherbakova, Anna Pogorilaya, Maria Sostskova, Polina Tsurskaya, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Alena Kostornaia, Elena Radionova, Stanislava Konstantinova, Sofia Samodurova, Rika Kihira, Satoko Miyahara, Wakaba Higuchi, Kaori Sakomoto, Mai Mihara, Mako Yamashita, Marin Honda, Yuna Shiraiwa, all competing together in one event. Add in there one american, one canadian, one good european, one korean/or from other asian country, and you have 24 contestants ! :-p
Ugh, Zagitova. Like really, I just do not understand why she has this aura of being unbeatable. She's got the jumps, but she absolutely does not have the artistry. Is it just because she's the olympic champ?
It's because she has loaded programs, is relatively consistent and yes, her career up to this point makes the judges take her seriously - high PCS follows
I didn't like her so much. But I saw her live in Rostelecom. She was impressive out the ice and on the ice. Really outstanding from the rest, and by a high margin, from the athletic point of view and mental strength displayed.
I like her musicality, just not her music. Lol.
Jonathan Beyer: Best eyebrows in the biz!!!
I was climbing on my roof installing Christmas lights all annoyed thinking there would be no TSL today. Thanks for thinking of us crazies who only even get out of bed on Sunday to watch you and Jonathan! ;)
:)
“BernsteIn or BernsteIn-depending on how much money you make”😂
Hilarious!!!!!
Just call them the Cana-Danes thats what I do (and there are two names because in Quebec people don't take each other's last name when they marry, so kids end up with hyphenated names. So one parent's last name is Fournier, the other is Beaudry :)
Konner Russell I love it!
I do think Sinitsina/Katsalapov's FD is a very competitive, content-rich program that they've executed well so far. Stepanova/Bukin's program is too over the top in your face for me.
Aljona spent some days in Beijing to help Yu/Zhang. I think we will see more Chinese skating at 4CC and worlds. And savchenko/Zhang competing in 2022 is not impossible😄
Big throws and twists extravaganza!!!
Сделано! Стоять! Ахахах
Don't rule out Sinitsina / Katsalapov being the top Russians at GPF.
Vincent needs a new coach. Karen needs a break - maybe she should be spent to a nice spa.
what i want is for Kihira and Satoko beat Zagitova. not sorry.
Same, I kind of doubt it will happen but I would love it if it happened.
Agreed!
anything is possible since Alina is not too consistent right now and she gets several UR calls but Rika too is inconsistent most of the time despite huge TES potential score, Satoko is consistent but she has UR issues! Tuktamysheva is back in full force but she has lower pcs scores due to empty programs! it's certainly an exciting GPF in the ladies field cause you never know who is going to win!
If Rika nails her short program it may be possible. Alina's score for her free skate has been declining at each competition. If there is a strict tech panel I hope all are treated the same way.
@@evanperilstein5308 i respect that you like Alina. I dont dislike nor like her, but I appreciate what she has done and is doing. Whether or not people intend to say they dislike her by saying "I hope so and so beat her" really doesnt matter. People are allow to dislike who they dislike. Even then, Im pretty sure they just dont like her as a skater and not as a person :), so dont worry too much about it ;). It's a sport, it's fun to see a heated competition.
Every time you talk about Oksana I flash back to her DUI. Which isn’t some earth shattering story, but she lived in Richmond Virginia, and we finally got an ice rink in like 1996. 😂 And poor thing was crucified by our local media! It forever tainted our beautiful swan. Bless.
Jonathan and Dave's recaps are the perfect companion to my Christmas village and twinkling, tinsel-laden tree. The holidays are nothing without this.
You're on point about getting the full-package for skaters like Cui. Look at the korean girls- pretty much all of them are terrifically dressed, though this may seem like a small detail. Yelim with her shortcomings has beautiful costumes and programs that suit her.
The Japanese and Korean dressmakers put a lot of detail in their dresses. A similar level of workmanship as Russian made rhythmic gymnastics costumes (totally different aesthetic though!) Lots of small details that while may not show up on the ice is still there.
Ha-Ha! Went back to Yuna in Vancouver and sure enough - PJ was the announcer.
If Zagitova goes clean, no one can beat her. Even if Rika goes clean. Simply, her PCs are much higher than Rika’s.
Arianne Петрова But why? You are correct though. Zags PC scores are in the rafters.
Arianne, disagree. If Rika nails 3 triple Axels, thats about 18-20 points extra base value and GOE points, that Zags can’t get. Rika got 68+ in PCS in the Free at NHK. Zags gets 74-ish this season. I think Rika can beat Zags with even TWO triple Axels and a double Axel. We’ll see.
That's what is sick..Zagitova deserve no high PCS.
although I agree with you, I certainly do not agree with the inflation of zagitova's pcs. she absolutely does not deserve pcs that much higher than everybody else. Yeah sure her TR content is great but everything else is pretty meh tbh
@@rrenatabp trueeee...if Rika and Zagitova both goes clean,I'm afraid Zagitova would win because her PCs are damn High!!!shit,!!
Glad Jonathan has emerged from his nook. I could barely hear him in there. The audio is much better like this
K L that’s about the level of my microphone. I turned it up and will keep it at that level :)
His nook was so pretty!
DEAD @ the Nastia comeback reference! I live for the gymnastics/ice skating cross-references. PS: Once Nastia ditched the weave she actually hit some training routines in her comeback quest (perhaps the extensions were too heavy? J/K). Alas, twasn't enough.
5 Uninformed Grand Prix Observations/Predictions from a crazy person:
1.) Vanessa and Morgan are the sexiest team in skating and will win everything if they continue to wear spandex. (+5)
2.) Shoma Uno is the most accomplished man in skating without a senior level global title (Worlds/Olympics). Will he forever be a Susan Lucci? With Chen and Hanyu around it COULD happen. Only time will tell. Which leads me to --
3.) Chen will beat Uno, but it's going to come down to the triple axle GOE. (+2)
4.) After the Short Program of the Women's Event, 1st -- 6th place will be separated by 3 points.
5.) Rika Kihira will come from behind to win; Satoko will win silver and several thousand MORE hearts.
50:45 I’ve heard from another skater at the rink, Karen seems really intimidated by having the other skaters there due to some of them qualifying for the final and others doing big jumps (like Young You training a 3A and “4Lz”)
Dave where will you be sitting? Sadly my seat is in the last row in the corner. I won’t be hit by a stuff animal by a Japanese fan.
Hahahahah(about ttyct) -- they got all the footage necessary already, I heard there was a licensing something-or-other problem with using one of the songs? (no idea if thats true, I think it may just be a theory) or someone else said they just couldn't edit in it time? (again who knows). There isn't an "official" specific reason yet. AND I went to ttyct in Moncton, it was amazing and completely new for skating shows tbh like stars on ice is the free bread and ttyct was the appetizer, entree, and dessert
Can't wait to see it!
It was a lot of thanks.
I always hit enter instead of return. Lord. I was going to say as well, this could really be the case. Because performing to recorded music for an event is one kind of licensing that isn’t that restrictive or expensive. If that event is recorded and will be available to view, whether it is free or not, the artists must be compensated. It gets complicated and expensive very quickly.
#LoveTuktamysheva
I really wish I was going to the final!
Women’s event will be the most exciting. If rika lands 3 x 3As I think judges will give it to her, if she only does 2 then Zag wins, if she lands one then satoko will be 2nd. Otherwise zag, is lock for gold. Although after rewatching Satoko’s jumps...they are being landed in very weird, almost deliberate way, to prove to judges she is not under rotating. Her leg and foot are aligned but her torso is skewed-very unnatural. It’s all I see when she lands now and hurting her overall performance IMO. If she just had the jumps she would have it all, just lake Sasha 😂.
It’s sad that Evgenia isn’t here.
I think Shomo(the better skater) will win. I agree with your guys comments early on that Nathan appear sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. I mean he got a level 2 spin on skate France. But he had time to do Tutka show.
I was starting to worry that I wouldn't have something to listen to at work in Monday. I don't know if I can handle a Monday without this.