The ladies GPF will be amazing, but I would be just as eager to watch a showdown between the 7-12 qualifiers - Satoko, Mariah, Liza, Evgenia, You, and Kaori
I hope with the next Olympic cycle that they add two new GPs - one in Korea and one either in Finland or Italy and have the qualifiers be increased to 8 as well.
@@wotanworld5504 just for the bad ice condition this year France should lose their GP. It is so risky for skaters to be competing in puddles...one GP in Korea would be cool, and Finadia too.
Won't happen. Lengthens the GPF and ISU is trying to make events shorter and less expensive to run. You would have to split singles into two groups as you can't have 8 on a warmup. Won't happen
I think the reason Bradie handles herself so well is because she never actually expected any of this. She was gearing up to retire and go to college before 2017 Skate Canada happened, so really anything she gets is probably like floating on cloud nine to her and that's her biggest strength.
@@alexgerdt2278 Bradie has consistently beaten Mariah in every match up last year. Internationally, she's still looked at as a superior skater and has scored 50+ in the FS.
I am a big fan of Aleksandra and Dmitrii, and really think they are inspiring. If they skate clean, they should medal allright. Talking of expression....Aleksandra's smile is really something, and so is Dmitrii's enthusiasm. Of course Moskvina being there helps....
GPF is well publicised in Japan; therefore, people's conception towards it is a little different from other countries, for instance USA. Having said that, I agree that Hanyu probably would say every competition is important and he wants to win in all competitions!!
@Nats I watched a podcast (think ice talk) once with a skater and they said they hated 4CC. It was really hard to do while trying to peak at the right time between nationals and worlds. Think most people dread going once they've gone once. I can see why he doesn't bother. He can show up any year and win it to complete his collection.
@@rop888 i think it has to do with the travel and changing of timezones. At Europeans the flights and time difference isn't that bad because European countries are pretty close together and flights are cheaper as well. For 4CC you can have more drastic time changes. For example this year the East Asian skaters (Korea, China, Japan for example) will have it bad cause its in LA but last year it was in Taiwan, which would've edreally mess up the North American skaters. And then you the next comp is Worlds so you need to get over that jetlag and prepare for worlds
Yuzu and Nathan will be fun to watch of all the events at the GPF. As for Yagudin, it was very disappointing. His comments were not appropriate at all.
The quality of Tuktamysheva's quad would certainly suggest - as the boy's argue - that she was waiting to reveal this jump when it was ready to go into her program. But, if so, it also seems a questionable decision considering how far she has dropped in the judges' estimation leading in to the Russian Nationals. The timing actually suggests that this is a last-stab attempt by the skater and her coaches to reinsert her into the conversation re: which Russian ladies should be be sent to Euros and Worlds. To this extent, I do wonder how consistent Tuktamysheva has been in regards landing the quad. I'm guessing she hasn't been consistent at all; but that when she does land it, she does so spectacularly well. Regardless of who is correct on this point, all I know for sure is that the possibility that Tuktamysheva will be performing both 3As and quads at Russian Nationals has only added to the drama of that upcoming event. It could be an amazing competition.
god I just wish she would clean up her performance too! there's something I really like about her and she's such a competitor, if she would only polish up, she'll outlast Scherbakova and possibly Trusova as well. That quad toe is so huge she pulls it off like a triple.
Tuktamysheva's quad! That thing was gorgeous! And one Yagudin comment: I have no idea how this all plays in his domestic market, and I'd think that's what would be important to him. I'd love to hear Johnny Weir speak to this...he's a know Russophile, with not the most macho skating style, and would have an informed opinion.
You say Alina should leave, but what about other athletes? Medvedeva should finish her career too then, she doesn't win anything big. Also Bradie used to win Grand Prix, but now she can't. And you can go on telling the names. If they want to skate, let them do that
I think he plans to peak with an eventual 4A at Worlds, if that ideal is possible. Whether his body can allow that is a different question but I certainly don't think he is intentionally planning to peak now.
I loved, loved, loved Liza Tuktamysheva's quad toes - height and distance, effortless (hitting those GOE bullets, though not the transitions bullet). Her 3A's are also amazing, so effortless, as if she's out for a Sunday stroll (and don't get me started on her beautiful outside Lutz edge). I would love to see her out-compete the adolescents within Russia and make it to Worlds. I think Figure skating would benefit from creating multiple events within a competition: e.g. one event focused on jumps, one on spins, one on step sequences/artistry, and then there could be an all-around event for skaters who are the complete package. This would be akin to gymnastics, where some athletes specialize in only one or two events. It would increase the number of medals available at any championships/Olympics and would let skaters who are amazing at certain skills develop their expertise in that area (e.g. Trusova and jumps). It would be a win-win. One challenge in implementing this kind of thing would be the amount of ice time needed for competitions, but I'm sure that could be figured out. Someone tried to raise an idea like this as a topic for discussion at the last ISU Congress, but it was quickly shut down, by none other than Alexander Lakernik, who also shut down any discussion around raising the minimum age in Seniors. I hope it comes up again and the ISU can have a real discussion about it.
At the same time, wouldn't it be decreasing the value of these medals? I think, in a situation of fair judging, Olympics are so interesting because you only have one champion every four years and everyone is purchasing this title. It makes it very special, and having several categories would make it feel less special I feel
@@evanperilstein5308 I don't remember exactly, there was an interview from long ago where Evgeni said that Yagudin and somebody else from the group would use skate cases to leave "Nike mark" bruises on him and threaten to do it every time Plushenko did that "unmanly" spin
Here is what Yagudin said in his live commentary when Jason Brown was just about to start his short program at Skate America: “He (Jason) will be lifting his legs and nothing else. It’ll be incorrect and unfair to say that Jason Brown can do nothing at all. One mustn’t speak like that. He glides very well, he has very good lines, his rotations are cool - he takes interesting poses in them; he is stretched, he controls his body very well. All these let him do programs full of interesting tricks. But still, modern men’s skating is considered to be quad jumps, many quad jumps. His components are of a high level. Forgive me, I don’t want to remember way back years, but in 1996 Evgeni Plushchenko and me competed in the World Junior and did the same set of elements. It was 1996! Anyway, Jason Brown was born in 1994. It’ll be no surprise if he is overscored in component points.”
Nats im not gonna talk about the IG posts cause I haven’t seen them But I was also relieved that Voronov did better than him, because having Jason go with THAT performance would have been absolutely terrible. He would have gone ove Boyang and Nam, although both had higher accumulated total scores. The story would have been completely different if he had done well, but his sp was a mess and so was the fs. Having him go to the gpf just because he was lucky enough to mess up in a comp that was not as tough as the others would be kind of unfair. If Yagudin had the same reasoning I had or if he was being plain homophobic remains a mystery 🤷🏻♀️
I still love Sui/Han and will cheer for them forever just because of their quality. But Boikova and her man (can't spell his name w/o research) will be the pair to watch out for in the future.
Zagitova is fine, she's doing pottery with Danny G ksksksks I don't think she needs to retire, she could skip a season and come back later because we all know Alena, Anna and Sasha's momentum won't last years and there is no other 3-pack like them in jrs., they still have to deal with growth spurts and the consequences in their skating, as you have said, they're a special case... if a veteran like Tuktamysheva can still learn and do things, Medvedeva is still struggling to get a good level and be steady almost 2 years after Olympics at 20.... then Alina at 17 can have a more mature skating and skate well too in a few months,... it's all about circumstances, let the girl do pottery, the Navka show and other stuff and sure she can be competitive soon again
Alena, Anna and Sasha's momentum won't last years but then come Kamila, Alyssa, Sofia, Veronika and others. Zagitova is cool and very gorgeous but I think she's got very little competitive motivation left
@@walterwyte01 Then should every skater over 17 without quads just panic and give up because of the new generations? No one's gonna take Alina's achievements even if she does terrible so if there's someone that shouldn't worry about the younger girls is her that already won everything.. she can do whatever she wants but not necessarily retiring, I think she needs a time off so she can have a new attitude about it, new goals, new things even a new coach. Why not? She's 17 and she's perfectly healthy. She can do everything she wants because she doesn't need to prove anything.
Right, but Alina still needs to think about her future and monetize her fame when she's on the peak of popularity. 5th and 6th places will not attract many sponsors while ice shows and other showbiz along with connections in political & business circles can be quite useful. After Beijing 2022 there will be new idols and hypes, so Alina will have to change her priorities soon and I don't think anyone will condemn her.
mish098aimer but she did fall at Skate America. It’s not like she’s a skater who never falls. I’m just saying I think Rika is still very much in this thing. Not saying she’ll medal and Anna won’t I just don’t think anyone is a sure thing until the actual competition.
Happy Thanksgiving. It's already the 1st December here. I cannot wait to see what is going to happen on GPF. Hate the pause between NHK and the final. Thus, I'm happy to see this video and watch something pertaining to Figure Skating ^_^
what's going to happen to all the wonderful non quad non triple axel ladies skaters ? retire at the age of 14 ?. they have no incentive to go to competitions anymore. very sad
Soooo are we saying Yagudin’s a DL brotha? Know why i ask? I remember being at the barber shop. A black barber shop In the hood where , homosexuality is something you’d get teased for. A barber out of nowhere started talking about “ fags”. That’s when a dude who is a drug dealer said “ I’m not worried about the man that i know is gay, I’m worried about the man that out of nowhere has that much to say about something he swears he hates that shouldn’t be that serious since he swears he hated it so much”. Another barber replied “ so what are you trying to say?” In an instigating manor. He then said “ all I’m Saying is, you gotta watch those first person responses to shit that shouldn’t concern you... how is he so mad and upset about what another man is doing unless he is doing it too”... and that, was that. Few years later, guess who tried to holler at me on Jack’d.... so, yeah, I don’t like Jason’s super feminine skating all the time but that has more to do with my own concealing of my sexuality than it has to do with Jason. Sometimes , like “ Los” at the barber shop was insinuating, your response and you intensity can tell on you.
@@evanperilstein5308 We got Shakespeare and some Hood Barber shop drug dealer wisdom all within two comments. That's why I love this page! Such an eclectic group!
The problem is not just Yagudin. In russian figure skating they are really talking to much about "real female" and "real male" skating. It pisses me off.
Prediction: Trusova is going to get 9's in PCS for performance, execution, choreography, and skating skills. And shes going to fall 4 times and still win the gold with 20 points to spare. Predictable and boring grand prix season for the ladies. I'm sick of these junior programs with "quad" full blade jumps doing hunched crossovers and waving their arms around for "artistic" marks. Trusova looks like shes doing laps around the rink like a speed skater. Im not here to watch speed skating, Im here to see gorgeous skating, masterful interpretation of music, deep edges, and clean jumping technique with huge ice coverage and height. An empty speed skating routine with muscled "quads" does not impress or have staying power in the viewer's memory.
@@yenglor691 So instead lets have cheated quad jumps where the skater does laps around the rink. I'd take clean technique triples with good programs over an empty program with quads and nothing else.
Newsflash! I got the results for the ladies GP already! :-) Juniors: 1. Valieva. 2. Sinitsyna (will lead after the short). 3. Usacheva. 4. Lee. 5. Liu (unfortunately she fell on the 3A and got an >> on the 4Lz). 6. Vasilieva. Seniors: 1. Shcherbakova (yes, it's a RusNats surprise all over again!). 2. Kostornaia. 3. Trusova. 4. Zagitova. 5. Kihira (one 3A fall unfortunately). 6. Tennell. There you go! :-) We don't even have to watch next weekend... And you're right Dave. The GPF and RusNats will be some kind of definite decision where Zagitova will go next.
We can tell you're Russian. How about Juniors Liu Lee Usacheva Valieva (falls on her quad toes) Vasileva Sinitsyna, Kostornaia, Kihira Shcherbakova Trusova (falls on her quads) Tennel Zagitova (has a melt down)
Maybe rusfed should chose for European Zagitova Tukti and Medvedeva and for the worlds Kostornaia Shcherbakova Trusova? 😂 is so sad that they have only 3 spots.. 😭 so many good ladies in Russia ..
Alina and Evgenia are very popular skaters in Russia and those two knows about the new generation Russian ladies Alene Alexandra and Anna are doing incredible with their jumps and can win but also is up to them to well in Russia National Chapioship witch it's very improtant to be pick for world Teem and European Team but three young New Russian Teenager skater's are really good but also it's up t0 the rusfed too
Nathan has not taken a leave from Yale to do some online school for 10 days, Yale has had a school break (November recess from 11/22 - 12/1) recently, that's why he went back home to Raf. And he was not doing online courses but was probably studying for his upcoming finals (which will take place right after GPF) PS: Nathan also made an Instagram post about going back to Cali for some time, and he said in at least one interview that he's planning to do so before GPF, so not exactly some secret inside scoop ;)
Some thoughts on the russian pairs: I think B/K absolutely deserve to be second at the final, their consistency is outstanding compared to the mess that is the pairs discipline, minus S/H. And I find her very likeable, if not a star. As for T/M, to me the problem is him. I see her trying to connect with him and show emotion and he never even looks at her. Also, isnt the jgpf russian pairs? Who is coaching them and why is no one talking about them. Seems like in a few years the pairs discipline is gonna look a lot like the ladies does RN.
Have to put ALL Russian stuff in context to understand how they develop their skaters and view others. First and foremost, they care about little other than the Olympics, the real international showcase for their strength and superiority. The need to show this lives deep in their culture like in few other countries. Next, their philosophy in sport is to show clear superior strength and power, because you can't for example easily tease out superiority based on depth of edge of how you make use of the ice surface. So their model is simple and that is to drive marks through tech superiority that the audience can see and big dramatic skating where they can't (dance). Quads, 3As, high twists, huge throws, that's what it's all about. What also works with this model is that judges are mostly forced to drag PCS along with TES or there's audience revolt - viewers would see the tech superiority and consistency, and not understand why these skaters aren't winning. So you will always see 8-8.5+ for the skaters with the highest tech. Even if there's not a single transition in the program. So that's the model, that's the mindset. And hence the backlash against PCS skaters such as Brown, Buttle, etc. Russians have a clear and (unduly) focused narrative on what superior looks like and it works with how they develop their skaters and win the biggest events - so they viciously defend it, while championing their own above all others. Always. Unlike Japanese, Canadians, etc they are not huge fans of great overall skating, especially if it weakens their standing.
Empress Elizavetas Quad is the best quad becuase she has the best technique. Period. ISU judges are still going to clown her. I LOVE TRUSOVA (and hope she wins gpf), but Eliza's quad toe looks better than most men's lol, let alone the rest of the young ladies jumping them.
say what you want about the lutz, but Trusova has a good quad toe. Scherbakova doesn't even do a quad toe, so idk sounds like your just on a bandwagon here, not sure where its headed
@@iris7484 No Trusova's 4T is a blatent toe axel. You can see the forward right knee step up in real time. Sherbakova used to do 4T but stopped doing it after she injured herseld
@@benbailey159bb I'm watching the trusova/hanyu side by side here: ua-cam.com/video/BmfzjbOEhj8/v-deo.html Hanyu has a slightly cleaner picking technique and gets into the air a millisecond faster, but he has arguably one of the best quad toes in the history of the sport. The real difference in quality between Trusova and Hanyu or Tuktamysheva is the position of their upper body at take-off, not their feet. Here's what an actual "toe axel" is: twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/1019665732307628032?lang=en a quad would not be possible with this technique.
I think you guys are hyping up Hae-in a bit too much. Ksenia still has the 3rd highest score in this JGP season. Also, Danelian should've been in the final.
@Nicole Churulich yes, you are right. I'm hoping for a bronze medal for Haein, if not higher. A higher place would be delightful but unlikely. I laughed with the 'the ice is slippery' thing 🤭🤭 but let's just hope they all deliver their best in the gpf
I think Yagudin is struggling with toxic masculinity and his own internal issues with homosexuality and it’s really sad this is how he is dealing with it. I’m sure the culture is different in Russia but to me that is still no excuse... Ps : Watching you guys try and discuss this topic made me laugh, you guys can add humor to anything, love it lol :)
hey said Yagudin had physical altercations with women on the tours, that sounds crazy! Then Dave and Jonathan were all like "and then other stuff" and went all quiet, I get the implication but I never heard of any man on man shenanigans from Yagudin? Did anyone else?
@@corgeousgeorge There were gay rumors about Yagudin back in the day I assume that is what Jonathan and Dave were insinuating. Yagudin denied being gay in his book and stated that the rumors stemmed from him rooming with Rudi Galindo on tour. For what's it's worth Yagudin didn't cut down Galindo for being gay. However, he made it clear he didn't appreciate the gossiping about his own sexuality. Obviously Yagudin is married to a Woman and has children. Its likely he is just a straight guy with a toxic masculinity problem. If he's in the closet he is very far in. Yagudin has made a series of problematic comments before this. Including that he hopes his daughters don't turn out gay and that he would kill himself if he gained too much weight. Yagudin obviously has some issues he needs to work on. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have anyone around him that's going to call him on his BS and get to the root of his problems.
@@faithn7294 he also said on some russian tv program that there's no way he'd have a son (abort it) only daughters. He was very aggressive about it. Obviously he's mentally unstable and has issues coming way from his childhood. This Jason story..i just can't stand yagudin now, i despise him.
About the person maybe, but his comments on the competition in particular about the Men's event at Skate America were right, as much as people want to twist things. Jason's SP without a quad and a 3a (he singled it) in a non American field it would have been a score around 60-70 so out of the podium no question. That said i find this drama always super unnecessary (it was unnecessary also when Carol Lane was called out for doing the same thing) considering they all come from very powerful federations who always influence scores: Russia also does home cooking, so it does Canada and Japan too sometimes.
@@DSQueenie oh yeah that was very inappropriate and unprofessional, i hope he will apologize for that at some point. That said Tarasova who defended him also said few years ago that Adam Rippon is skating like lady and it wasn't meant to be a compliment. So yeah not the first time hearing these kind of comments unfortunately.
@@simtopia2334 Russia under Putin has been a homophobic country to live in. what do you expect? Haven't you heard of that UA-cam person hiding out from the authorities bc he was talking about being gay to a kid?
I was reviewing the past grand prix's out of boredom and so glad to see you guys pop up! I'm so ready for the final. A question-how does one watch the Russian nationals?
Try checking out soyouwanttowatchfs.com They usually post every possible way to watch each competition on a week by week basis covering a wide range of countries. It's a pretty great resource!
My predictions (based on current form/information) MEN I give the slightest edge to Hanyu 1. Hanyu/Chen 2. Chen/Hanyu 3. Samarin ( altought i hate to predict that!) LADIES 1. TRUSOVA 2. SCHERBAKOVA ( she can skate like her life depend on that!) 3. KOSTORNAIA ( the rotations can screw her) PAIRS 1. SUI/HAN 2. Boikova/Kozlovsky 3. KTM/Marinaro DANCE 1. PAPADAKIS/CIZERON 2. VICTORIA/NIKITA 3. CHOCK /BATES (close race but their FD is really strong) JUNIOR LADIES 1. VALIEVA 2. LIU 3.Lee Hae-in JUNIOR MEN 1. KAGAYAMA 2. SAMSONOV 3. GUMENNIK
A shame the French pair and Zabiako/Enbert missed the Grand Prix season would have been so much more interesting at GPF B/K so far have best season score but Sui/Han had mistakes in China and in Japan, so they can get much better score. Would love to see them make the most out of jump combo (do a 3-2-2 instead of 3-2) but i guess her previous leg injury doesn't allow that. :c They are such a great team though. With Savchenko/Mussot and Duhamel/Radford out, competition feels kinda stale tbh (S/M might come back though?) And everyone have the same elements since ISU doesn't reward quads, so many skaters feel like the risk of injury isn't worth it... Hopefully we will see more interesting parallel jumps in the future, at least (like M/G 3S-Eu-3S). Oh, and there are 5(!!!) Russian pairs in JGPF, which is insane. Can pairs become Russia dominating discipline, like it once was? I'm already excited for 2026 xD Kozlovskii improved so much this season! Last season I couldn't stop thinking that Boikova needed a better partner, but starting from test skates up to this moment, he can't stop surprising me! When they perform, I want to look at nothing but them. I love their lines, jump exits and lifts. And Boikova's smile! Their SP is wonderful. Everyone talking about Moskvina magic, but they also have Arthur Minchuk as their trainer, who deserves praise as well. and both of them seem so hard-working and have so much potential. I think they can be on the same level as sui/han in a year or two. I hope this GP season is a wake-up call for Tarasova/Morozov. They are both so talented yet so unstable, and very disconnected. Tarasova looks very unhappy during some of the competitions (especially Canada, augh,the look on her face!), but I feel like she tries to connect with Morozov, who doesn't even look at her when they skate. I feel nothing when watching them Their choreography has definitely improved though, good job with Zueva.
Yagudin is homophobic trash. Criticise someone's skating all you want, but he seems to have a sexist vendetta targeted at Jason's character. It's especially sad to see as Jason admired Yagudin - there are pictures of young Jason dressed in Yagudin's "Winter" costume. I hope Jason's team do their best to keep him away from these horrendous comments, or are able to support him. He has done absolutely nothing to deserve the hateful and vitriolic comments he has been getting.
And considering he has been rumored to have had relationships with men himself It’s a little self deprecating. He clearly has a lot of issues with himself which is probably why he has had problems with alcohol and anger for years now.
Ice dance is probably the discipline I’m most excited for just for the bloodbath for the bronze. I really really want c/b to get it but they won’t unless they sort out the rd so I’m hoping for the best
itsmy, I don’t think that the silver is wrapped up by ANY means. Sinitsina/Katsalopov are not pulling away from the field. To me, it’s P/C with a lock on the gold (annoyingly) and a bloodbath for the silver and the bronze.
Brent's Lucky Slot Channel Russian fed has made the move for SinKats a while ago so I’m sorry to disappoint but it’s P/C for the gold without questions (meh) and SinKats for the silver if Nikita won’t pull out a Saitama. Then bloodbath for bronze without excluding StepBukins either.
I'm very excited about Chen/Hanyu. I do favor Nathan but ONLY because I feel a bit tired of Yuzu's programs, not his skating, I just like new programs in general from any of the skaters.
I favor Hanyu but I get exactly what you're saying. It's not just that he's repeating programs but that he's bringing the same style energy onto the ice for the past few years. Even though I don't really care for Nathan's long program, I do appreciate the fresh energy he brings onto the ice.
@@iris7484 I've watched Nathan develop this program since practices in CA and Sun Valley and I do like it, it can only get better and more refined, I hope
Yuzuru has been skating his programs for a year and a half. I'm kind of over it, it is starting to look schmaltzy ( the head bob..... yawn.... the lay back..yawn...) Nathan is more innovative, avant-garde, yet he has that classical ballet twist. It intrigues me.
@@bonnie9131 That's a very apt description of how I feel about both skaters. And yes, Yuzuru's programs often are a bit pose-y and schmaltzy for sure, he can make it work because he's so into it, but it would certainly look tacky on most other skaters.
I enjoy listening to you guys and I am most looking forward to your recap next Sunday. I will be thinking about your comments as I watch the events on NBC gold pass.
Tuktamysheva's quad is amazing, but its not the best ladies quad there is. Look at Trusova's side by side quad toe with Hanyu's; They're practically the same jump. And we know Hanyu's is amazing. Now, Liza's is amazing too, but I don't get why people are acting like Liza's is some revelation when Trusova has been doing an amazing, huge quad toe that is just as good, if not better, for years.
Liza is doing 4T at age 21/22. Trusova at age 15. Many people dont think female skaters can jump quads at 21, not for the 1st time. It gives hope to other senior ladies who dont have a quad. On Yuzuru & Trusova's side by side 4T, I recall Yuzuru said he adjusted his timing to Trusova's. Yuzuru was asked why he fell the 1st time. Trusova's 4T cant be compared to Yuzuru's or other senior men. Lol
@@Angel-xe2tl did you not see the video of them doing them side by side? Not many differences other than maybe Trusova had a tad more air time. Both amazing jumps.
@@angieng8633 Yes its amazing she has it at that age. But people are acting like Liza's quad is so much better when it really isn't, and saying so is just disregarding how good Trusova's quad toe is.
TheSkatingLesson I love it! Lmao y’all said nothing and everything at the same damn time! Your facial expressions did so much talking you could basically conjugate verbs with your eyebrows! 😂🤣 Love you guys!!! 😘
Don’t underestimate Hanyu when it comes to worlds... He was irate after loosing to Nathan last year, and I don’t think Yuzu will allow Nathan to have more world medals than him.
Wasn't aware it was up to Hanyu to "allow" it to happen or not though. Nathan might have something to say about that. And he hasn't even begun to actually do the layout he's capable of yet.
@@rop888 I hope you can take what I wrote with a grain of salt. All I meant was that Yuzu is extremely competitive, and likes being in the lead in every way, and I think he will pull out all the stops at worlds this year. I meant no shade to Nathan, they are both worthy, talented skaters.
The traumatic fall in pairs event blocked all my other memories of the last year's event, despite watching the event live in the Arena. Bell competed several years before and according to her coach at the time, she did not enjoy the experience. I believe this was said in TSL interview.
Alysa has the most difficult layout in her long program. At the senior level, everyone keeps speculating about which lady will be the first to have both triple axels and quads. We already have that at the junior level, with Alysa. Yes, there is pressure on her, but most people are discounting her. I think she can win if she does all of her elements.
TSL guys think that their nasty comments about underage Russian girls, their bodies, appearance and families are OK, but suddenly resent Yag's comments about Brown LOL
mish098aimer from what I understand, points are only used as a tiebreaker between people with the same standings in their 2 events (Hanyu and Chen with two golds each). But it seems like there could be a scenario where someone with two bronze medals had a higher point total than someone with a silver and a 4th place finish, or even someone with 2 silvers, depending on the fields at the respective events. This seems especially relevant now that we have ladies doing quads and scoring 20-30+ points higher than the rest of the field. I might be missing something, though, and maybe it works itself out by using placement instead of point total.. math isn’t my strong suit. But it just seems more straightforward to use points, even though it would mean having to wait until the last event to know for sure who qualified.
Here I thought Dave Lease was the Wendy Williams of figure skating as was going to 'say it like he meant it'. In regards to Yagudin, Dave needs to be Wendy say what he says, then have Yagudin be Whitney and blast him for it. Disappointed. ;-)
@mish098aimer I did remember a Japanese competitor skating to parts of it but couldn't remember her name 😬 it wasn't the main pieces though but was lovely. The main theme and comptine d'été are crying out for a beautiful skate to them
It's up Monday afternoon but confusing that the pairs short is not listed. I hate the inconsistency and cutting off victory ceremonies but for my mother's sake I buy it so we can watch on the TV! I wish they would show the galas, that really sucks because the skaters really shine with creative routines!
@@debbied2715There is alot not to love about NBC Figure Skating Gold. It freezes up during live competitions. If you report it they tell you to dump your cookies. Really? This is on their end. I won't subscribe next year. I really wanted to enjoy the competitions live but ......I am underwhelmed to say the least. AND They don't show the practice sessions.
Oh I agree totally, just need to watch it on TV so my elderly mom can watch, laptop doesn't work for her. It pisses me off they cut off victory ceremonies and no practices
hey said Yagudin had physical altercations with women on the tours, that sounds crazy! Then Dave and Jonathan were all like "and then other stuff" and went all quiet, I get the implication but I never heard of any man on man shenanigans from Yagudin? Did anyone else?
Yagudin is an attention and hype-seeking type, wish this situation with Jason is the apogee and ends in Yagudin being banned from the TV but the support he has been getting from Tarasova and other fig.skating 'elite' makes it highly unlikely. Validating him to say whatever he thinks is right on Russia's no.1 channel is absurd. He definitely learned from the best. Ms. Tarasova at NHK, right before Karen Chen started, was already 'giving away' the medals to RU girls and Rika; and at the request of Grishin (the only professional commentator of fig. skating the 1st channel has) to hold back and let the last skater do her job, replied : 'i beg you, WHO is there to wait for?'. There are *tons* of comments like that by Tarasova and Yagudin, but it's the mafia that we will have to put up with for long, I'm afraid.
I saw Bradie at Warsaw cup, and I actually thought she was distracted because she would be at the Final. Fluke fall, mistimed combination, and then a missed combination. No pressure there really, just distraction. I still think that.
I’m excited to see if Alyssa Liu beats Kamilla V in juniors.... rooting for Alyssa ... I think Kamilla will make mistakes... she always looks petrified before she skates , I feel so bad. The pressure for Kamilla must be horrible
I noticed a lot of people bringing Alyssa into the quad comparisons about under rotation, even though she hadn't competed in the senior events, I guess it's because they're talking about her a lot in Russia.
Jonathan said he thought the GP Final was Yuzuru's to loose. That made me sad. Dave said that if Nathan pulls it together and brings his A game things could be different. That was kinda encouraging ? Please God, just don't let a bunch of narcissistic wannabee judges hand it over to Yuzuru with some GOE fuzzy math. Let me believe that there is something clean and shining in figure skating. I want to believe that it isn't a heep of undermining mind games, trashy PR, and backroom deals. ..Sigh.......say it isn't so.
Audience and subscribers were outraged in the comments. A lot of people wrote that yagudin behaves meanly, vilely and unprofessional. And just imagine he answered a lot. It was like "yes, i am scum and asshole haha". A lot of people outraged how can he be a commentator on tv. Than he answered: "you won't do anything hahaha. You will listen my comments, you have no choice and you do not decide anything. "
I was, dare I say, very disappointed with both of you guys insofar as your comments on Yagudin. Why can’t you just call his comments what they are? They’re homophobia dressed up in toxic masculinity. The best you guys could say was “....that was not a good look.....”. And you continually kept saying that you’re choosing your words carefully. Why do you have to choose your words carefully? Is it not OK to call a bigot a bigot? WTF, Dave. You guys didn’t have to address this if you didn’t want to, but once you decided to address it, I feel like you HAVE to call out the bigoted, homophobic statements. It’s easy as that. But instead all we got was some weak sauce (“that wasn’t a good look....”) and a bunch of awkward pauses. I love you both, but do better. I was screaming at my computer listening to that section. 🥵
Me too, but I guess they are watching their words because I have seen some of the nasty comments whenever they get real with their words. And I have to admit, Russia is scary!
It makes me so freaking sad that this kind of attitude exists. Especially since Alexei was exposed to international culture and social environments through his entire young adult life, you'd think there would be a shred of decency in him. I feel crushed and angered on behalf of Jason and any male figure skater who idolized Yagudin, dressed in competitions like him, used his music because they idolized and were inspired by him, and then to have the vitriol and caustic prejudice from your IDOL aimed at you or your fellow skaters. Just sickening. He's not just spewing these comments just to Russians like it used to be, it's easily reaching everyone who has access to UA-cam or Reddit. It's disappointing. Don't meet your idols, am I right?
Absolutely. I said in his insta what a disappointment his conduct was, coming from a champion who should inspire people. I just hope he never has to feel the pain of seeing his daughters being bullied, like he is bulling Jason. And I hope Jason pays no mind to Alexei, for he is not worth his time, nor ours.
The ladies GPF will be amazing, but I would be just as eager to watch a showdown between the 7-12 qualifiers - Satoko, Mariah, Liza, Evgenia, You, and Kaori
I hope with the next Olympic cycle that they add two new GPs - one in Korea and one either in Finland or Italy and have the qualifiers be increased to 8 as well.
What woukd we do with 8 events?? The fields are thin enough with 6.
@@wotanworld5504 just for the bad ice condition this year France should lose their GP. It is so risky for skaters to be competing in puddles...one GP in Korea would be cool, and Finadia too.
@@wotanworld5504 sorry but I need to know if you're being sarcastic? Everyone and their mother was talking about the bad state of the ice this year.
Wotan World My friends were there this year and both confirm bad ice conditions
Won't happen. Lengthens the GPF and ISU is trying to make events shorter and less expensive to run. You would have to split singles into two groups as you can't have 8 on a warmup. Won't happen
Oh no! I’m here before the time stamps haha
It's a shorter episode, so I think you can deal!
I was thinking the same
TheSkatingLesson No! Make it longer. I can never have enough of you guys. 😊❤️
Mood
That facial expressions about Yagudin and that sync drinking was everything.
My husband and me are flying to Turin on Thursday to GPF! I am beyond excited , my husband not that much 😁
Dinara Simon have fun!
Happy for you, enjoy
That's amazing! We need a full recap!
Turin is a gorgeous city, I’m sure he’ll have much to enjoy too!
Lucky you! Have a "Grand" time!
I think the reason Bradie handles herself so well is because she never actually expected any of this. She was gearing up to retire and go to college before 2017 Skate Canada happened, so really anything she gets is probably
like floating on cloud nine to her and that's her biggest strength.
what does 2017 Skate Canada have to do with anything? Bradie won the bronze at 2017 Skate America. That was her only GP assignment.
@@alexgerdt2278 Bradie has consistently beaten Mariah in every match up last year. Internationally, she's still looked at as a superior skater and has scored 50+ in the FS.
A surprise Saturday TSL? This is the best possible surprise and a lovely way to end a busy work week!
I am a big fan of Aleksandra and Dmitrii, and really think they are inspiring. If they skate clean, they should medal allright. Talking of expression....Aleksandra's smile is really something, and so is Dmitrii's enthusiasm. Of course Moskvina being there helps....
I also loved Elizaveta's quad. Yay!
I think everyone, including Hanyu, thinks Worlds is more important than GPF. It's just that he wants to win everything (like Skate Canada).
GPF is well publicised in Japan; therefore, people's conception towards it is a little different from other countries, for instance USA. Having said that, I agree that Hanyu probably would say every competition is important and he wants to win in all competitions!!
@mish098aimer Cause he has the heart of a lion. A detail-oriented lion.
@Nats It's a cursed competition. Didn't Shoma win last year? And the year Nathan won was the Olympic year.
@Nats I watched a podcast (think ice talk) once with a skater and they said they hated 4CC. It was really hard to do while trying to peak at the right time between nationals and worlds. Think most people dread going once they've gone once. I can see why he doesn't bother. He can show up any year and win it to complete his collection.
@@rop888 i think it has to do with the travel and changing of timezones. At Europeans the flights and time difference isn't that bad because European countries are pretty close together and flights are cheaper as well.
For 4CC you can have more drastic time changes. For example this year the East Asian skaters (Korea, China, Japan for example) will have it bad cause its in LA but last year it was in Taiwan, which would've edreally mess up the North American skaters.
And then you the next comp is Worlds so you need to get over that jetlag and prepare for worlds
Yuzu and Nathan will be fun to watch of all the events at the GPF. As for Yagudin, it was very disappointing. His comments were not appropriate at all.
The quality of Tuktamysheva's quad would certainly suggest - as the boy's argue - that she was waiting to reveal this jump when it was ready to go into her program. But, if so, it also seems a questionable decision considering how far she has dropped in the judges' estimation leading in to the Russian Nationals. The timing actually suggests that this is a last-stab attempt by the skater and her coaches to reinsert her into the conversation re: which Russian ladies should be be sent to Euros and Worlds. To this extent, I do wonder how consistent Tuktamysheva has been in regards landing the quad. I'm guessing she hasn't been consistent at all; but that when she does land it, she does so spectacularly well. Regardless of who is correct on this point, all I know for sure is that the possibility that Tuktamysheva will be performing both 3As and quads at Russian Nationals has only added to the drama of that upcoming event. It could be an amazing competition.
god I just wish she would clean up her performance too! there's something I really like about her and she's such a competitor, if she would only polish up, she'll outlast Scherbakova and possibly Trusova as well. That quad toe is so huge she pulls it off like a triple.
Tuktamysheva's quad! That thing was gorgeous! And one Yagudin comment: I have no idea how this all plays in his domestic market, and I'd think that's what would be important to him. I'd love to hear Johnny Weir speak to this...he's a know Russophile, with not the most macho skating style, and would have an informed opinion.
You say Alina should leave, but what about other athletes? Medvedeva should finish her career too then, she doesn't win anything big. Also Bradie used to win Grand Prix, but now she can't. And you can go on telling the names. If they want to skate, let them do that
I can’t imagine Hanyu planning on peaking at GPF and not wanting to win worlds and conceding it to Chen. That makes no sense .
Yuzuru said that he wants to win gpf as well as worlds
The same was with worlds in Helsinki and OG
Result is known
He wants to do both, but remains to be seen if his body will agree with that.
I think he plans to peak with an eventual 4A at Worlds, if that ideal is possible. Whether his body can allow that is a different question but I certainly don't think he is intentionally planning to peak now.
I loved, loved, loved Liza Tuktamysheva's quad toes - height and distance, effortless (hitting those GOE bullets, though not the transitions bullet). Her 3A's are also amazing, so effortless, as if she's out for a Sunday stroll (and don't get me started on her beautiful outside Lutz edge). I would love to see her out-compete the adolescents within Russia and make it to Worlds.
I think Figure skating would benefit from creating multiple events within a competition: e.g. one event focused on jumps, one on spins, one on step sequences/artistry, and then there could be an all-around event for skaters who are the complete package. This would be akin to gymnastics, where some athletes specialize in only one or two events. It would increase the number of medals available at any championships/Olympics and would let skaters who are amazing at certain skills develop their expertise in that area (e.g. Trusova and jumps). It would be a win-win. One challenge in implementing this kind of thing would be the amount of ice time needed for competitions, but I'm sure that could be figured out. Someone tried to raise an idea like this as a topic for discussion at the last ISU Congress, but it was quickly shut down, by none other than Alexander Lakernik, who also shut down any discussion around raising the minimum age in Seniors. I hope it comes up again and the ISU can have a real discussion about it.
At the same time, wouldn't it be decreasing the value of these medals? I think, in a situation of fair judging, Olympics are so interesting because you only have one champion every four years and everyone is purchasing this title. It makes it very special, and having several categories would make it feel less special I feel
Well they already do. Competitive skating is the sport version and then the pro worlds is the artistic based one
I could honestly see Hubbell/Donohue finishing 6th out of 6 here.
Yagudin actually bullied Plushenko for doing Bielmann spins back when they both were in Mishin's group. Looks like he never grew up since then.
@@evanperilstein5308 I don't remember exactly, there was an interview from long ago where Evgeni said that Yagudin and somebody else from the group would use skate cases to leave "Nike mark" bruises on him and threaten to do it every time Plushenko did that "unmanly" spin
Yeah. It common knowledge that Yagudin and Plushenko did not like each other from jump. It doesn’t surprise me.
I'm totally with Jonathan about KMT and those singer-songwriter covers of pop songs. It's a cheezy, dated aesthetic. There's no sugar-coating that.
Here is what Yagudin said in his live commentary when Jason Brown was just about to start his short program at Skate America: “He (Jason) will be lifting his legs and nothing else. It’ll be incorrect and unfair to say that Jason Brown can do nothing at all. One mustn’t speak like that. He glides very well, he has very good lines, his rotations are cool - he takes interesting poses in them; he is stretched, he controls his body very well. All these let him do programs full of interesting tricks. But still, modern men’s skating is considered to be quad jumps, many quad jumps.
His components are of a high level. Forgive me, I don’t want to remember way back years, but in 1996 Evgeni Plushchenko and me competed in the World Junior and did the same set of elements. It was 1996! Anyway, Jason Brown was born in 1994. It’ll be no surprise if he is overscored in component points.”
really? other translate say WAY worse
@@Angel-xe2tl Well, I've translated Yagudin's original words said on air. They are the subject for discussion, but they ARE his original words.
After in insta he write "Fhanks for Voronov, that Jason is not in Final.
Nats im not gonna talk about the IG posts cause I haven’t seen them
But I was also relieved that Voronov did better than him, because having Jason go with THAT performance would have been absolutely terrible. He would have gone ove Boyang and Nam, although both had higher accumulated total scores. The story would have been completely different if he had done well, but his sp was a mess and so was the fs. Having him go to the gpf just because he was lucky enough to mess up in a comp that was not as tough as the others would be kind of unfair.
If Yagudin had the same reasoning I had or if he was being plain homophobic remains a mystery 🤷🏻♀️
That's not any different from things Johnny & Tara have said about Jason in the past honestly. But his IG is what got him into trouble.
What a pleasant surprise that makes up for me waking up at 5.55am on a Sunday😩. Now I can spend an hour in bed listening to you 😊
I still love Sui/Han and will cheer for them forever just because of their quality. But Boikova and her man (can't spell his name w/o research) will be the pair to watch out for in the future.
Sai Z Kozlovsky
@@10skyblue Thank you! I'm really bad with names, and the Russian names are especially hard!
better not. His posture is terrible, his choreography is awful and ugly.
@lawomann Kozlovsky doesn't got balletic grace. They are boring and old. Their programs like 1980s.
@lawomann yes, about Kozlovsky.
I think two bronzes should beat a silver and pewter... :/
Thank you to both of you. Even though I speak Russian I prefer to watch you guys!!!
Zagitova is fine, she's doing pottery with Danny G ksksksks I don't think she needs to retire, she could skip a season and come back later because we all know Alena, Anna and Sasha's momentum won't last years and there is no other 3-pack like them in jrs., they still have to deal with growth spurts and the consequences in their skating, as you have said, they're a special case... if a veteran like Tuktamysheva can still learn and do things, Medvedeva is still struggling to get a good level and be steady almost 2 years after Olympics at 20.... then Alina at 17 can have a more mature skating and skate well too in a few months,... it's all about circumstances, let the girl do pottery, the Navka show and other stuff and sure she can be competitive soon again
Pottery?
Alena, Anna and Sasha's momentum won't last years but then come Kamila, Alyssa, Sofia, Veronika and others. Zagitova is cool and very gorgeous but I think she's got very little competitive motivation left
@@walterwyte01 Then should every skater over 17 without quads just panic and give up because of the new generations? No one's gonna take Alina's achievements even if she does terrible so if there's someone that shouldn't worry about the younger girls is her that already won everything.. she can do whatever she wants but not necessarily retiring, I think she needs a time off so she can have a new attitude about it, new goals, new things even a new coach. Why not? She's 17 and she's perfectly healthy. She can do everything she wants because she doesn't need to prove anything.
Right, but Alina still needs to think about her future and monetize her fame when she's on the peak of popularity. 5th and 6th places will not attract many sponsors while ice shows and other showbiz along with connections in political & business circles can be quite useful. After Beijing 2022 there will be new idols and hypes, so Alina will have to change her priorities soon and I don't think anyone will condemn her.
@@walterwyte01 True that
Why does Jonathan think that Rika needs help to medal? Both her scores have been higher than both of Anna’s scores on the GP.
chaya avtzon based on their base technical mark
Anna's been judged harshly at two competitions this season. I'm guessing she won't be at the GPF.
mish098aimer but she did fall at Skate America. It’s not like she’s a skater who never falls.
I’m just saying I think Rika is still very much in this thing. Not saying she’ll medal and Anna won’t I just don’t think anyone is a sure thing until the actual competition.
Happy Thanksgiving. It's already the 1st December here. I cannot wait to see what is going to happen on GPF. Hate the pause between NHK and the final. Thus, I'm happy to see this video and watch something pertaining to Figure Skating ^_^
what's going to happen to all the wonderful non quad non triple axel ladies skaters ?
retire at the age of 14 ?. they have no incentive to go to competitions anymore.
very sad
I hope we can speak more freely about Yagudin on Patreon ;)))
Soooo are we saying Yagudin’s a DL brotha? Know why i ask? I remember being at the barber shop. A black barber shop
In the hood where , homosexuality is something you’d get teased for. A barber out of nowhere started talking about “ fags”. That’s when a dude who is a drug dealer said “ I’m not worried about the man that i know is gay, I’m worried about the man that out of nowhere has that much to say about something he swears he hates that shouldn’t be that serious since he swears he hated it so much”. Another barber replied “ so what are you trying to say?” In an instigating manor. He then said “ all I’m Saying is, you gotta watch those first person responses to shit that shouldn’t concern you... how is he so mad and upset about what another man is doing unless he is doing it too”... and that, was that. Few years later, guess who tried to holler at me on Jack’d.... so, yeah, I don’t like Jason’s super feminine skating all the time but that has more to do with my own concealing of my sexuality than it has to do with Jason. Sometimes , like “ Los” at the barber shop was insinuating, your response and you intensity can tell on you.
@@evanperilstein5308 We got Shakespeare and some Hood Barber shop drug dealer wisdom all within two comments. That's why I love this page! Such an eclectic group!
The problem is not just Yagudin. In russian figure skating they are really talking to much about "real female" and "real male" skating. It pisses me off.
That drink at 29:34. 😂
Thank you to both of you!
Seeing this intro to this video has made my year. Genius!!!!!!
I had a dream last night that Hae-in Lee bombed, went crazy and destroyed the kiss and cry and quit skating forever. It was quite dramatic
Is there any reason you're telling us this?! WTF. This is like an Adam Schiff comment.
Yuzuru needs to just win 4CC so he can get the grand slam
4CC is not so important plus he needs to have a rest.
@@akas224 it's the only ISU championship he hasn't won. The prize money is substantial. He would achieve the grand slam by winning.
and now he achieved the grand slam after this gold in 4cc
Prediction: Trusova is going to get 9's in PCS for performance, execution, choreography, and skating skills. And shes going to fall 4 times and still win the gold with 20 points to spare. Predictable and boring grand prix season for the ladies. I'm sick of these junior programs with "quad" full blade jumps doing hunched crossovers and waving their arms around for "artistic" marks. Trusova looks like shes doing laps around the rink like a speed skater. Im not here to watch speed skating, Im here to see gorgeous skating, masterful interpretation of music, deep edges, and clean jumping technique with huge ice coverage and height. An empty speed skating routine with muscled "quads" does not impress or have staying power in the viewer's memory.
I am sick of triples. Time for a change.
@@yenglor691 So instead lets have cheated quad jumps where the skater does laps around the rink. I'd take clean technique triples with good programs over an empty program with quads and nothing else.
KojimaBot s It looks fully rotated in my eyes. Seen triples for decades - it getting boring and dry.
@@kojimabots3946 not all share your opinion
@@flying372 I never said everyone shared my opinion. Please improve your comprehension skills.
Time stamps?
Newsflash! I got the results for the ladies GP already! :-)
Juniors: 1. Valieva. 2. Sinitsyna (will lead after the short). 3. Usacheva. 4. Lee. 5. Liu (unfortunately she fell on the 3A and got an >> on the 4Lz). 6. Vasilieva.
Seniors: 1. Shcherbakova (yes, it's a RusNats surprise all over again!). 2. Kostornaia. 3. Trusova. 4. Zagitova. 5. Kihira (one 3A fall unfortunately). 6. Tennell.
There you go! :-) We don't even have to watch next weekend...
And you're right Dave. The GPF and RusNats will be some kind of definite decision where Zagitova will go next.
how do u know this your gluesing this the skaters didn't compete yet
@@meaganbooks179 Well, I might be psychic? ............
@@Jontor11 well that's fine your pretty cool to think about the reault's no worries
We can tell you're Russian. How about Juniors Liu Lee Usacheva Valieva (falls on her quad toes) Vasileva Sinitsyna,
Kostornaia, Kihira Shcherbakova Trusova (falls on her quads) Tennel Zagitova (has a melt down)
Maybe rusfed should chose for European Zagitova Tukti and Medvedeva and for the worlds Kostornaia Shcherbakova Trusova? 😂 is so sad that they have only 3 spots.. 😭 so many good ladies in Russia ..
so true it's gonna be tough
Alina and Evgenia are very popular skaters in Russia and those two knows about the new generation Russian ladies Alene Alexandra and Anna are doing incredible with their jumps and can win but also is up to them to well in Russia National Chapioship witch it's very improtant to be pick for world Teem and European Team but three young New Russian Teenager skater's are really good but also it's up t0 the rusfed too
Nathan has not taken a leave from Yale to do some online school for 10 days, Yale has had a school break (November recess from 11/22 - 12/1) recently, that's why he went back home to Raf. And he was not doing online courses but was probably studying for his upcoming finals (which will take place right after GPF)
PS: Nathan also made an Instagram post about going back to Cali for some time, and he said in at least one interview that he's planning to do so before GPF, so not exactly some secret inside scoop ;)
Some thoughts on the russian pairs: I think B/K absolutely deserve to be second at the final, their consistency is outstanding compared to the mess that is the pairs discipline, minus S/H. And I find her very likeable, if not a star. As for T/M, to me the problem is him. I see her trying to connect with him and show emotion and he never even looks at her. Also, isnt the jgpf russian pairs? Who is coaching them and why is no one talking about them. Seems like in a few years the pairs discipline is gonna look a lot like the ladies does RN.
I am from Russia and I am very ashamed of Yagudin.(((
Have to put ALL Russian stuff in context to understand how they develop their skaters and view others. First and foremost, they care about little other than the Olympics, the real international showcase for their strength and superiority. The need to show this lives deep in their culture like in few other countries. Next, their philosophy in sport is to show clear superior strength and power, because you can't for example easily tease out superiority based on depth of edge of how you make use of the ice surface. So their model is simple and that is to drive marks through tech superiority that the audience can see and big dramatic skating where they can't (dance). Quads, 3As, high twists, huge throws, that's what it's all about. What also works with this model is that judges are mostly forced to drag PCS along with TES or there's audience revolt - viewers would see the tech superiority and consistency, and not understand why these skaters aren't winning. So you will always see 8-8.5+ for the skaters with the highest tech. Even if there's not a single transition in the program. So that's the model, that's the mindset. And hence the backlash against PCS skaters such as Brown, Buttle, etc. Russians have a clear and (unduly) focused narrative on what superior looks like and it works with how they develop their skaters and win the biggest events - so they viciously defend it, while championing their own above all others. Always. Unlike Japanese, Canadians, etc they are not huge fans of great overall skating, especially if it weakens their standing.
Can't wait! Thanks TSL!
Enjoy!
Saw both new German teams recently and Annika with Robert convince me much more than Daria and Ruben do
Just as my head was about to hit the pillow....:) better make a cup of tea!
Grisgris * lol same here! 😅
Sorry!
TheSkatingLesson who needs sleep when there’s so much skating to discuss!
Was not ready for the MLT - Sierra Sapunar throwback!
Thank u so very much for sharing,love u both!
Empress Elizavetas Quad is the best quad becuase she has the best technique. Period. ISU judges are still going to clown her. I LOVE TRUSOVA (and hope she wins gpf), but Eliza's quad toe looks better than most men's lol, let alone the rest of the young ladies jumping them.
Tukts 4T looks so good because it's not a cheated takeoff toe-axel like Trusova and Sherbakova!
say what you want about the lutz, but Trusova has a good quad toe. Scherbakova doesn't even do a quad toe, so idk sounds like your just on a bandwagon here, not sure where its headed
@@iris7484 No Trusova's 4T is a blatent toe axel. You can see the forward right knee step up in real time. Sherbakova used to do 4T but stopped doing it after she injured herseld
@@benbailey159bb I'm watching the trusova/hanyu side by side here: ua-cam.com/video/BmfzjbOEhj8/v-deo.html
Hanyu has a slightly cleaner picking technique and gets into the air a millisecond faster, but he has arguably one of the best quad toes in the history of the sport. The real difference in quality between Trusova and Hanyu or Tuktamysheva is the position of their upper body at take-off, not their feet. Here's what an actual "toe axel" is:
twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/1019665732307628032?lang=en
a quad would not be possible with this technique.
I think you guys are hyping up Hae-in a bit too much. Ksenia still has the 3rd highest score in this JGP season. Also, Danelian should've been in the final.
Ksenia looked really rough (with coaching drama) just a few weeks ago at some random competition.
Trouble with some German names Dave?😋 Annika Hocke. The "e" is pronounced. HockE
@@Kareragirl dude. You are right and you smashed it
LOL, yeah, this is not french we're speaking about XD
I prefer Haein Lee for the junior ladies but compared to the quad girls, she is admittedly lacking. Still, she is so good and so consistent.
@Nicole Churulich yes, you are right. I'm hoping for a bronze medal for Haein, if not higher. A higher place would be delightful but unlikely. I laughed with the 'the ice is slippery' thing 🤭🤭 but let's just hope they all deliver their best in the gpf
I think Yagudin is struggling with toxic masculinity and his own internal issues with homosexuality and it’s really sad this is how he is dealing with it. I’m sure the culture is different in Russia but to me that is still no excuse...
Ps : Watching you guys try and discuss this topic made me laugh, you guys can add humor to anything, love it lol :)
hey said Yagudin had physical altercations with women on the tours, that sounds crazy! Then Dave and Jonathan were all like "and then other stuff" and went all quiet, I get the implication but I never heard of any man on man shenanigans from Yagudin? Did anyone else?
@@corgeousgeorge There were gay rumors about Yagudin back in the day I assume that is what Jonathan and Dave were insinuating. Yagudin denied being gay in his book and stated that the rumors stemmed from him rooming with Rudi Galindo on tour. For what's it's worth Yagudin didn't cut down Galindo for being gay. However, he made it clear he didn't appreciate the gossiping about his own sexuality. Obviously Yagudin is married to a Woman and has children. Its likely he is just a straight guy with a toxic masculinity problem. If he's in the closet he is very far in. Yagudin has made a series of problematic comments before this. Including that he hopes his daughters don't turn out gay and that he would kill himself if he gained too much weight. Yagudin obviously has some issues he needs to work on. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have anyone around him that's going to call him on his BS and get to the root of his problems.
@@faithn7294 he also said on some russian tv program that there's no way he'd have a son (abort it) only daughters. He was very aggressive about it. Obviously he's mentally unstable and has issues coming way from his childhood. This Jason story..i just can't stand yagudin now, i despise him.
@@12oq Yikes! I hadn't heard that Yagudin comment. He clearly needs serious help. Hopefully Jason just ignores him.
I hope Yagudin finds the help he needs and that’s all I’ll say.
About the person maybe, but his comments on the competition in particular about the Men's event at Skate America were right, as much as people want to twist things. Jason's SP without a quad and a 3a (he singled it) in a non American field it would have been a score around 60-70 so out of the podium no question. That said i find this drama always super unnecessary (it was unnecessary also when Carol Lane was called out for doing the same thing) considering they all come from very powerful federations who always influence scores: Russia also does home cooking, so it does Canada and Japan too sometimes.
Simtopia 23 true but it’s the liking of the homophobic tweets and the talk of manliness. I don’t think many would argue that Jason isn’t competitive.
@@DSQueenie oh yeah that was very inappropriate and unprofessional, i hope he will apologize for that at some point. That said Tarasova who defended him also said few years ago that Adam Rippon is skating like lady and it wasn't meant to be a compliment. So yeah not the first time hearing these kind of comments unfortunately.
@@simtopia2334 Russia under Putin has been a homophobic country to live in. what do you expect? Haven't you heard of that UA-cam person hiding out from the authorities bc he was talking about being gay to a kid?
I would take the compliment. I'm old
I was reviewing the past grand prix's out of boredom and so glad to see you guys pop up! I'm so ready for the final. A question-how does one watch the Russian nationals?
Try checking out soyouwanttowatchfs.com They usually post every possible way to watch each competition on a week by week basis covering a wide range of countries. It's a pretty great resource!
@@qp7059 Thanks!
1tv.ru with the vpn - basic hola is enough to unblock it
My predictions (based on current form/information)
MEN
I give the slightest edge to Hanyu
1. Hanyu/Chen
2. Chen/Hanyu
3. Samarin ( altought i hate to predict that!)
LADIES
1. TRUSOVA
2. SCHERBAKOVA ( she can skate like her life depend on that!)
3. KOSTORNAIA ( the rotations can screw her)
PAIRS
1. SUI/HAN
2. Boikova/Kozlovsky
3. KTM/Marinaro
DANCE
1. PAPADAKIS/CIZERON
2. VICTORIA/NIKITA
3. CHOCK /BATES (close race but their FD is really strong)
JUNIOR LADIES
1. VALIEVA
2. LIU
3.Lee Hae-in
JUNIOR MEN
1. KAGAYAMA
2. SAMSONOV
3. GUMENNIK
A shame the French pair and Zabiako/Enbert missed the Grand Prix season
would have been so much more interesting at GPF
B/K so far have best season score but Sui/Han had mistakes in China and in Japan, so they can get much better score. Would love to see them make the most out of jump combo (do a 3-2-2 instead of 3-2) but i guess her previous leg injury doesn't allow that. :c They are such a great team though.
With Savchenko/Mussot and Duhamel/Radford out, competition feels kinda stale tbh (S/M might come back though?)
And everyone have the same elements since ISU doesn't reward quads, so many skaters feel like the risk of injury isn't worth it...
Hopefully we will see more interesting parallel jumps in the future, at least (like M/G 3S-Eu-3S). Oh, and there are 5(!!!) Russian pairs in JGPF, which is insane. Can pairs become Russia dominating discipline, like it once was? I'm already excited for 2026 xD
Kozlovskii improved so much this season! Last season I couldn't stop thinking that Boikova needed a better partner, but starting from test skates up to this moment, he can't stop surprising me! When they perform, I want to look at nothing but them. I love their lines, jump exits and lifts. And Boikova's smile! Their SP is wonderful.
Everyone talking about Moskvina magic, but they also have Arthur Minchuk as their trainer, who deserves praise as well.
and both of them seem so hard-working and have so much potential. I think they can be on the same level as sui/han in a year or two.
I hope this GP season is a wake-up call for Tarasova/Morozov. They are both so talented yet so unstable, and very disconnected.
Tarasova looks very unhappy during some of the competitions (especially Canada, augh,the look on her face!), but I feel like she tries to connect with Morozov, who doesn't even look at her when they skate. I feel nothing when watching them
Their choreography has definitely improved though, good job with Zueva.
I live for Deanna making some big Aliona moves 🔥💪
So why are the women not allowed to do a quad in the short program, but the men can? Will this change?
Yagudin is homophobic trash. Criticise someone's skating all you want, but he seems to have a sexist vendetta targeted at Jason's character. It's especially sad to see as Jason admired Yagudin - there are pictures of young Jason dressed in Yagudin's "Winter" costume.
I hope Jason's team do their best to keep him away from these horrendous comments, or are able to support him. He has done absolutely nothing to deserve the hateful and vitriolic comments he has been getting.
"homophobic trash" ну это перебор)))) Yagudin просто очень хочет увидеть от Jason brown четверные прыжки. Это он его так мотивирует )))
@@NinaVladiONE yagudin literally agreed with a comment that called jason a f**got. that is a homophobic slur.
And considering he has been rumored to have had relationships with men himself It’s a little self deprecating. He clearly has a lot of issues with himself which is probably why he has had problems with alcohol and anger for years now.
Aw that is so sad, poor Jason :(
Ice dance is probably the discipline I’m most excited for just for the bloodbath for the bronze. I really really want c/b to get it but they won’t unless they sort out the rd so I’m hoping for the best
itsmy, I don’t think that the silver is wrapped up by ANY means. Sinitsina/Katsalopov are not pulling away from the field. To me, it’s P/C with a lock on the gold (annoyingly) and a bloodbath for the silver and the bronze.
Brent's Lucky Slot Channel Russian fed has made the move for SinKats a while ago so I’m sorry to disappoint but it’s P/C for the gold without questions (meh) and SinKats for the silver if Nikita won’t pull out a Saitama. Then bloodbath for bronze without excluding StepBukins either.
I'm very excited about Chen/Hanyu. I do favor Nathan but ONLY because I feel a bit tired of Yuzu's programs, not his skating, I just like new programs in general from any of the skaters.
I favor Hanyu but I get exactly what you're saying. It's not just that he's repeating programs but that he's bringing the same style energy onto the ice for the past few years. Even though I don't really care for Nathan's long program, I do appreciate the fresh energy he brings onto the ice.
@@iris7484 I've watched Nathan develop this program since practices in CA and Sun Valley and I do like it, it can only get better and more refined, I hope
Yuzuru has been skating his programs for a year and a half. I'm kind of over it, it is starting to look schmaltzy ( the head bob..... yawn.... the lay back..yawn...) Nathan is more innovative, avant-garde, yet he has that classical ballet twist. It intrigues me.
@@bonnie9131 I agree! I've always thought the head bob was just silly. I like the use of the word schmaltzy!
@@bonnie9131 That's a very apt description of how I feel about both skaters. And yes, Yuzuru's programs often are a bit pose-y and schmaltzy for sure, he can make it work because he's so into it, but it would certainly look tacky on most other skaters.
I enjoy listening to you guys and I am most looking forward to your recap next Sunday. I will be thinking about your comments as I watch the events on NBC gold pass.
Tuktamysheva's quad is amazing, but its not the best ladies quad there is. Look at Trusova's side by side quad toe with Hanyu's; They're practically the same jump. And we know Hanyu's is amazing. Now, Liza's is amazing too, but I don't get why people are acting like Liza's is some revelation when Trusova has been doing an amazing, huge quad toe that is just as good, if not better, for years.
Yuzu and Sashas quads the same? Is this a JOKE right now?!?!?!
@R J plus hers isnt flowy like Yuzu and other mens quads.
Liza is doing 4T at age 21/22. Trusova at age 15.
Many people dont think female skaters can jump quads at 21, not for the 1st time. It gives hope to other senior ladies who dont have a quad.
On Yuzuru & Trusova's side by side 4T, I recall Yuzuru said he adjusted his timing to Trusova's. Yuzuru was asked why he fell the 1st time.
Trusova's 4T cant be compared to Yuzuru's or other senior men. Lol
@@Angel-xe2tl did you not see the video of them doing them side by side? Not many differences other than maybe Trusova had a tad more air time. Both amazing jumps.
@@angieng8633 Yes its amazing she has it at that age. But people are acting like Liza's quad is so much better when it really isn't, and saying so is just disregarding how good Trusova's quad toe is.
Yes! I need to catch up on a few episodes so I don’t know, but did you ever talk about the whole Alexei Yagudin/Jason Brown situation?
We talk about it during this episode.
Yagudin is a disgusting human being. Bullying a sweet person like Jason and encouraging homophobic attacks on Jason. Yagudin is pathetic.
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TheSkatingLesson I love it! Lmao y’all said nothing and everything at the same damn time! Your facial expressions did so much talking you could basically conjugate verbs with your eyebrows! 😂🤣 Love you guys!!! 😘
Don’t underestimate Hanyu when it comes to worlds... He was irate after loosing to Nathan last year, and I don’t think Yuzu will allow Nathan to have more world medals than him.
Wasn't aware it was up to Hanyu to "allow" it to happen or not though. Nathan might have something to say about that. And he hasn't even begun to actually do the layout he's capable of yet.
@@rop888 I hope you can take what I wrote with a grain of salt. All I meant was that Yuzu is extremely competitive, and likes being in the lead in every way, and I think he will pull out all the stops at worlds this year. I meant no shade to Nathan, they are both worthy, talented skaters.
Hanyu does tend to peak and be amazing at GP final and then not as good at worlds. I mean he lost worlds twice to Javi and once to Nathan
This didn't age well lol
Mariah had a bad experience competing at the Golden spin a few years ago ... I don't think she wants to go back
Kosjenka she went last year
And won the bronze.
The traumatic fall in pairs event blocked all my other memories of the last year's event, despite watching the event live in the Arena.
Bell competed several years before and according to her coach at the time, she did not enjoy the experience. I believe this was said in TSL interview.
Alysa has the most difficult layout in her long program. At the senior level, everyone keeps speculating about which lady will be the first to have both triple axels and quads. We already have that at the junior level, with Alysa. Yes, there is pressure on her, but most people are discounting her. I think she can win if she does all of her elements.
@@evanperilstein5308 As we have seen, PCS is often not enough to overcome higher TES, even with lower GOE.
TSL guys think that their nasty comments about underage Russian girls, their bodies, appearance and families are OK, but suddenly resent Yag's comments about Brown LOL
Just canceled my afternoon plans for this! 💚
Antonio Lorenzo Medina ❤️❤️❤️
What’s the rationale for basing GPF qualification on placement at the GP events rather than cumulative point total?
mish098aimer from what I understand, points are only used as a tiebreaker between people with the same standings in their 2 events (Hanyu and Chen with two golds each). But it seems like there could be a scenario where someone with two bronze medals had a higher point total than someone with a silver and a 4th place finish, or even someone with 2 silvers, depending on the fields at the respective events. This seems especially relevant now that we have ladies doing quads and scoring 20-30+ points higher than the rest of the field. I might be missing something, though, and maybe it works itself out by using placement instead of point total.. math isn’t my strong suit. But it just seems more straightforward to use points, even though it would mean having to wait until the last event to know for sure who qualified.
I think that is mostly to try and not make the corruption even more evident than it already is.
Marie T Gotcha. Okay that does make sense. Thanks
Well shit....I was going to bed but now...well....I’m not. ;)
Enjoy!
Here I thought Dave Lease was the Wendy Williams of figure skating as was going to 'say it like he meant it'. In regards to Yagudin, Dave needs to be Wendy say what he says, then have Yagudin be Whitney and blast him for it. Disappointed. ;-)
Please, write timeline!!!!!
An Amelie free would be amazing. Some of the music is so beautiful and poignant 🤩
@mish098aimer I did remember a Japanese competitor skating to parts of it but couldn't remember her name 😬 it wasn't the main pieces though but was lovely. The main theme and comptine d'été are crying out for a beautiful skate to them
Does anyone else not see the live streaming schedule on nbc sports gold?
It's up Monday afternoon but confusing that the pairs short is not listed. I hate the inconsistency and cutting off victory ceremonies but for my mother's sake I buy it so we can watch on the TV! I wish they would show the galas, that really sucks because the skaters really shine with creative routines!
Update: I, and probably others, sent an email to NBC gold and they indeed fixed the program listings and apologized!!
@@debbied2715There is alot not to love about NBC Figure Skating Gold. It freezes up during live competitions. If you report it they tell you to dump your cookies. Really? This is on their end. I won't subscribe next year. I really wanted to enjoy the competitions live but ......I am underwhelmed to say the least. AND They don't show the practice sessions.
Oh I agree totally, just need to watch it on TV so my elderly mom can watch, laptop doesn't work for her. It pisses me off they cut off victory ceremonies and no practices
@@debbied2715 Thanks for sending the email. My Mom was a figure skater and we loved watching together. It was like a superbowl party. Enjoy
hey said Yagudin had physical altercations with women on the tours, that sounds crazy! Then Dave and Jonathan were all like "and then other stuff" and went all quiet, I get the implication but I never heard of any man on man shenanigans from Yagudin? Did anyone else?
Yagudin is an attention and hype-seeking type, wish this situation with Jason is the apogee and ends in Yagudin being banned from the TV but the support he has been getting from Tarasova and other fig.skating 'elite' makes it highly unlikely. Validating him to say whatever he thinks is right on Russia's no.1 channel is absurd. He definitely learned from the best. Ms. Tarasova at NHK, right before Karen Chen started, was already 'giving away' the medals to RU girls and Rika; and at the request of Grishin (the only professional commentator of fig. skating the 1st channel has) to hold back and let the last skater do her job, replied : 'i beg you, WHO is there to wait for?'. There are *tons* of comments like that by Tarasova and Yagudin, but it's the mafia that we will have to put up with for long, I'm afraid.
@@evanperilstein5308She could have said she doubts the podium will be affected etc. But she literally said what she did in a derogatory tone.
I saw Bradie at Warsaw cup, and I actually thought she was distracted because she would be at the Final. Fluke fall, mistimed combination, and then a missed combination. No pressure there really, just distraction. I still think that.
A. Kostornaya- very super !!!!!!!!
What happened to the 3Axel1996 channel?!?! 😔😔
was it taken down?!
Copyright maybe?
I’m excited to see if Alyssa Liu beats Kamilla V in juniors.... rooting for Alyssa ... I think Kamilla will make mistakes... she always looks petrified before she skates , I feel so bad. The pressure for Kamilla must be horrible
I noticed a lot of people bringing Alyssa into the quad comparisons about under rotation, even though she hadn't competed in the senior events, I guess it's because they're talking about her a lot in Russia.
Loraine Spencer I guess it’s because she’s the only competition to Kamilla for right now?
@@msmo2060 is that good Alyssa likes the Russian girls especialy Eleri's student's and she want's to compete with them
haein lee is wonderful , i hope she gets on the podium . may be win ?
@@evanperilstein5308 and Alysa Liu would have to bomb too
Jonathan said he thought the GP Final was Yuzuru's to loose. That made me sad. Dave said that if Nathan pulls it together and brings his A game things could be different. That was kinda encouraging ? Please God, just don't let a bunch of narcissistic wannabee judges hand it over to Yuzuru with some GOE fuzzy math. Let me believe that there is something clean and shining in figure skating. I want to believe that it isn't a heep of undermining mind games, trashy PR, and backroom deals. ..Sigh.......say it isn't so.
what did yagudin say about jason aside from him not having a quad?
He constantly calls him "my favourite skater"[sarcasm] and likes toxic and homophobic comments about him on social media
@@denalihedgehog ugh...
He compared him to the food left on the table after the banquet, while all delicious meals are eaten, Jason is like the left overs nobody wants
@@walterwyte01 how ugly...disappointing
Audience and subscribers were outraged in the comments. A lot of people wrote that yagudin behaves meanly, vilely and unprofessional. And just imagine he answered a lot. It was like "yes, i am scum and asshole haha". A lot of people outraged how can he be a commentator on tv. Than he answered: "you won't do anything hahaha. You will listen my comments, you have no choice and you do not decide anything. "
I was, dare I say, very disappointed with both of you guys insofar as your comments on Yagudin. Why can’t you just call his comments what they are? They’re homophobia dressed up in toxic masculinity. The best you guys could say was “....that was not a good look.....”. And you continually kept saying that you’re choosing your words carefully. Why do you have to choose your words carefully? Is it not OK to call a bigot a bigot? WTF, Dave. You guys didn’t have to address this if you didn’t want to, but once you decided to address it, I feel like you HAVE to call out the bigoted, homophobic statements. It’s easy as that. But instead all we got was some weak sauce (“that wasn’t a good look....”) and a bunch of awkward pauses. I love you both, but do better. I was screaming at my computer listening to that section. 🥵
Me too, but I guess they are watching their words because I have seen some of the nasty comments whenever they get real with their words. And I have to admit, Russia is scary!
Как стыдно за Ягудина ((
What a terrible shame about Alexei Y. I love his skating, he's very good looking, but seems to have a not so nice personality. Sad.
It makes me so freaking sad that this kind of attitude exists. Especially since Alexei was exposed to international culture and social environments through his entire young adult life, you'd think there would be a shred of decency in him. I feel crushed and angered on behalf of Jason and any male figure skater who idolized Yagudin, dressed in competitions like him, used his music because they idolized and were inspired by him, and then to have the vitriol and caustic prejudice from your IDOL aimed at you or your fellow skaters. Just sickening. He's not just spewing these comments just to Russians like it used to be, it's easily reaching everyone who has access to UA-cam or Reddit. It's disappointing. Don't meet your idols, am I right?
Absolutely. I said in his insta what a disappointment his conduct was, coming from a champion who should inspire people. I just hope he never has to feel the pain of seeing his daughters being bullied, like he is bulling Jason. And I hope Jason pays no mind to Alexei, for he is not worth his time, nor ours.
@@avg18 yes exactly.
Tuktamysheva's quad is underrotated, it's not the best