Jonathan really did have a lot of feelings today. Bless him for being so moved about Liza's redemption skate! The little girl inside her is alive once again!! And I appreciate Nathan's flex in winning with a layout that is easy for him, but that guys can't even do, and then adding in a 4S because he can. All while the other guys were going wild with their layouts and having jump measuring contests in the gala practice, which he skipped. The best.
Honestly, I think Zagitova started the season exhausted. She looked like she was so stressed and tense and miserable the entire season. I wouldn't be surprised if she was in a lot of pain all season, she looked like she was hurt on many occasions. That poor girl needs to rest and be left alone so she can decide if she even wants to skate anymore.
I called her "poor girl" because I think she has been so pressured and overwhelmed this season. It's not an insult. I don't like to see a young athlete look as stressed as she has this year.
Vincent NEEDS to switch to Mie Hamada. So much improvement with just a few weeks of training. Imagine how he'd be like after a summer training with her.
I just don't think he will. He seems attached to Tammy if nothing else and moving to Japan is a bit much. Training during the summer and when she's in the states tho is doable. But I wonder how the Japanese fed feels about her training someone who beats their national champion. And it's not just training, but sitting in the K&C with him. Sure, skaters will come the US for quad training but it ends there.
vincent also went to canada to worked (ss and jumps) with lori and kurt browning m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1232220446981032&id=192209947577094&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FCBCOlympics%2Fvideos%2F1232220446981032%2F&_rdr
Thank you for the prompt recap! Mie Hamada mentioned to the press that she got so many varieties of duct tape for Rika and the one that worked was the one used for water pipes, thus in grey’ish in color. The boot issue Is getting so much press coverage in Japan. Rika mentioned it herself a couple of times and now media asks her each time! She said her goal next season is to find boots that last. I hope her boot issue doesn’t turn out to be like Karen Chen’s.
it was under-rotated and deserved a downgrade. Here's the video: twitter.com/yuzuspiration/status/1117630520719020032 blade hits the ice forward. but yes, beautiful in normal speed for sure :)
vistaprime Of course that video is from a Yuzu fan - big surprise LOL. Complete with yammering about Yuzu’s “pristine technique”. Like Yuzu hasn’t had UR before - and a recent and wonky 4S.
I actually think it was pretty cool Shoma used this competition to be experimental instead of playing safe, I mean, it’s not a serious competition anyway so why not try do something bold just for the challenge/fun of it?
Jonathan Beyer yes! It’s not a big deal where you finish at WTT anyway so use it to make history! Use the competition format and test new stuff! Shoma is my favorite male skater now and I love how he never settles, he just continues to challenge himself, I just wish he would be smarter with his layouts in competitions, he needs to find a balance between doing everything he wants to do and something that works competitively. I really wish he finds his consistency because my gosh this boy is beautiful to watch!
If he’s healthy, but he had been dealing with injuries without taking breaks. Seeing him trying out new trick and seemed to injure himself even more was very concerning.
I’m sure Nathan is well aware that he was carrying the majority of the load for this US team. And I’m sure he’s grateful for his Olympic teammates who carried the load last year and skated well after he underperformed. That entire team was vital in winning that Olympic medal. And I too would have sent Liza to Worlds over Sofia.
Natalie Marvos he underperformed, but he still placed 4th there. He did his job. Adam still only placed 3rd and Scimeca/Knierim places 4th in their clean skates.
Davin Yu yes but the Knierims and the Shibs both had to do 2 programs and Mirai, Adam and Bradie were all clean. So it’s also true that he’s been on the other side of things where others carried the load. But given how well Vincent did and the margin between the US and Japan at WTT, we would’ve won gold even if Nathan had been behind Shoma in both the short and the long. Actually he could’ve finished behind both Japanese men and we still would’ve won. The US has a really balanced team.
That’s just looking at the placements. I look at who the skaters placed ahead of. Nathan had a very off SP and finished a few spots below where he could have. Then the Knierims skated and placed ahead of James/Cipres, Yu/Zhang, and the Italians, which gave the US 3 extra points that weren’t really expected. And the strong US skates continued from there. So my point was that Nathan has been on the other sides of things where he wasn’t getting 1st place and needed his teammates to help lift him. Sure the US could have won WTT this year without him, but that was mostly in part because Russia was missing several key skaters and their men finished way down in the standings. He’s still the main reason why this year’s team won.
Shoma has some kinda mental block preventing him from reaching his full potential. He said it himself, like he said he resorts to trying hard and skating aggressively to avoid having to be perfect, be at the top, win and be a champion, because if you take an aggressive approach, then you can say you did your best, and you can justify losing. You guys clearly don’t speak Japanese, so it might be hard to grasp but Shoma really does have such a submissive, humble personality, compared to someone like Yuzuru who is always so hungry, confident and some even describe him as being “narcissistic” and “full of himself”, even Kanako Murakami said that about him lol But anyway, Shoma likes to stick to what he’s used to, wheres someone like Yuzuru never gets satisfied no matter what, Shoma likes being comfortable and that’s his biggest problem. He said he’ll always be with Machiko and Mihoko no matter what, and that he only wants to skate to programs Mihoko choreograph, til the end of his career. He’s so used to looking up to Yuzuru and being a bridesmaid that he doesn’t believe he can be the best male figure skater. He has everything it takes, he just has to believe in himself.
1:00:00 Nathan's return to previous costume - good call, he looks like he could pick up a trumpet or trombone in a 60s jazz club. Shae-Lynn Bourne's choreography for this programme is one of the highlights of the year.
Dave, have you heard any updates on Medvedeva’s injury? Apparently it’s either a thigh or a hip injury & she isn’t even allowed to get on a treadmill at this point. Also, any updates as to why Evgenia isn’t working with “the” jump technical expert at TCC?
Lena Vinogradova thank you for watching. While fans might have their favorites, I hope everyone can see the artistic and athletic confidence and talent in all events.
I've always wondered why they don't incorporate the team event into Worlds to simulate what will happen at the Olympics. It would make sense to start testing out strategies with potential teams before an Olympic medal is up for grabs.
I understand where you're coming from with trading Tuktamysheva and Samodurova, but I would like to add that Samodurova was the most consistent senior woman all season! So many back-to-back clean skates.
Will you two ever do an episode about what music you believe everyone should skate to for the upcoming season (or at some point at all)? I always find your opinions on music and costumes so interesting... On a completely different note, the back seam of my boot popped the night before a show - when I tied my skates you could see my foot through the back. Practically half a roll of duct tape held it together and I certainly agree with Dave: there is nothing more frightening than a lutz in a dead boot 😉
While it's true that Nathan and Vincent carried this US team to the victory practically by themselves, that hasn't always been the case in these team events. Nathan had a hard time at the Olympic Team Event and didn't do as well as expected, and it was Alexa & Chris who skated really well after him and placed ahead of Vanessa & Morgan, the Chinese pair, etc. So can we please not act as if US skaters are always just riding Nathan's coattails to a team medal because that certainly isn't always the case. The Olympic team medal in 2018 was truly a collaborative effort and it's not fair to minimize the accomplishments of those skaters, no matter how you feel about team events.
I get what you're saying about skaters winning team medals that weren't up for individual medals. There's something strange about Ashley Cain celebrating wildly on social media about this big win and finishing the year on a high when they didn't do so well in either segment. I knew what you meant about Nathan carrying the team. But then you brought up the Olympic team event, which seemed a bit out of place because it was Nathan who ironically struggled there, and the Knierims in particular kind of bailed him out and took the heat off of him. The Knierims have been important in team events. At that one WTT when the US narrowly won over Russia, it was in large part because Alexa & Chris finished ahead of Kavaguti & Smirnov in the LP. But I get what you were trying to say.
Iirc the signs for Team Japan in the Kiss&Cry said things like "You did well/Well done!" and (for Shoma's FS, notably after he did those interviews where he credited Japan's standings to the ladies rather than him) "Shoma", "Thanks for your hard work" and (I think? More of a guess) "We'll take it from here" (from the ladies). Keiji's Kiss & Cry had a "+5 GOE please!"
@@TheSkatingLesson LOL No, I hate QVC and always thought it was for people who lived in Trailers (My mother Liiiiives for it tho and I always look at her with horror and shame when she brings it up in my presence) and Richard Simmons makes me want to gay bash myself for no reason so that combo in addition to New Years Eve would not be my cup of tea but I can ONLY IMAGINE how insane it would be. LOL. Also Kudos to Nathan for not even pretending to be amused by his teammate's ridiculous Kiss and Cry enthusiasm ha ha. Keep on being too cool for School Nathan, never change!
Oh, I would really like your opinion on the two top Russian teams against each other. For my money I think Stepanova/Bukin are far and away the more interesting and engaging team but I don't feel they skate to their potential. I think if they had a choreographer that really pushed and challenged them they could be amazing. Sinitsina/Katsalapov I feel do great with what they have, and maybe are slightly better technically, but they don't thrill me and I don't feel they have as much room to grow.
You guys are spot on re Hubbell & Donohue. I hope they get it together beacause in 2016/17 and 2017/18 I adored them, especially Madi and her vibe on the ice which is so different to all the other girls. I heard some Fosse talk from them for next season and I'm 100% here for that (but I'm not sure if that was for the RD or FD)
26:50 even last season, I believe V&M were over-marked (not by much) but certainly on the FD at Olympics. The French were far superior back then too, they've only just extended that and stretched their ability further. V&M will always be "historically remembered" skaters, in fact, they're probably the best since Torvill and Dean. But Papadakis & Cizeron have taken it another step forward. This season, their FD is one that's for the history books, but I also believe that Fear & Gibson's FD (not at WTT) is a FD for the history books. We've been quite blessed with programmes this year that'll be forever remembered as Landmark programmes: Vanessa James & Morgan Cipres's Free Programme Papadakis & Cizeron's Free Dance Fear & Gibson's Free Dance Nathan Chen's Short Programme
Olympic score for VM were fixed. Lack of french judge and canadian , director of Skate canada..please,.it is so obvious. With that competition where two teams fight for gold so close and there is only canadian judge WHO without any shame put PC as low as she can and no french judge???Ridicoulous situatuion! And only chinnese judge was warned after Olympics! Lady form Skate caandia should be also!
They are both great skaters. VM are retired now and never coming back to the sport. They deservedly won the Olympics, and P&C were lucky to have gotten silver after a disastrous SD. Love PC's FD this season though - my favourite from theirs.
@@bx7146 LOL Didier has no problem with olympics . he doesnt give a shit. HE doenst care about his skaters.He said after pyeogchang: "maybe next time,haha"
@@bx7146 OLd fraus from canada are coming!They were LUCKY to win silver ??LOL ?disastrous short ??? FIRST Part of the shprt program was BETTER SCORED THEN canadian one, you idiot.Stop making up shit! And whats more importans Canadian LOST FREE PROGRAM. You can lie and makinp narratives but you cannot change that! PAttern, and non touching step sequnce in short was BETTER SCORED then V/Ms(anyway patter made by VM was a joke) .Judges wanted to give french MORE SCORES THen to VM. Check protocols. Thats the more important thing!!!And you didnt , obviously! French DID VERRRYYY GOOD SHORT despite their condition. They were very brave, you loser|! And ONE LEVEL COST THEM GOLD! And if your cows from canada were better, wjhy they had lower PCS then french? HAAHAHAHHA Caandian team had LUCK , thats only answer, my dear. PC were faster, smoother had better SS.. French were the one who were chosed to win gold.Stop drinking and makking up those OLD lies is makins us sick. Say something new , once for a while. Maybe you did forget GRAND PRIX FINAL???? you ubers forget about it and pretend it didnt happen
I feel that the competition that rika did between 4CC and worlds just to get isu points to be in the final group for the worlds was the thing that exhausted her Btw there was zagitovas interview, she says that when she needs to drink water she takes a zip and then spills it out not to gain even 100 grams
Mariam Rus actually she said that before the Olympics they we’re weighted every day so BEFORE check she was usually taking a sip instead of drinking not to see extra weight on scale
@ Mariam Rus: Now I know where all the false translation, that these guys are saying in their videos, is coming from. Why do you Medvedbots always translate wrong? These TSL- babies always tells the wrong stuff, which neither Eteri, nor Danny G ever have said. That' makes them ridiculous not only for all the Russian views, but for all these, who understands Russian as well.
@@TheSkatingLesson Extremely problematic is really, that you always get the wrong translation from some people and present that wrong translation as something that someone allegedly said. And even Tarasova said that this what Alina talked about: You can't jum with overweight.
Mariam : Another one wrong translation. They look like liers to all of the Russian speaking people out there, because of such viewers as you are. Stop translating anything wrong and make Eteri look like a monster. Or name one skater who performs well and does not have eating issues. That's a coordination sport if you eat too much you will not be able to jump. And yes Rika doesn't have false technique, or other issues, just because she is training in the "right" camp for these two. These two sounds like two jealous women, who always try to make someone who is better than they are look worser, even if it's only in their own world.
Fukuoka was where Scarlett Johannson's movie husband went to shoot a band in Lost in Translation, a movie we watch often, lol. So funny to see it in pictures. Looks gorgeous.
Is it just me who thinks that Russian ice dance team really were extremely close in points with PC. I feel like this year they were fighting for second team with a lot other teams, next year they will kind of prove their second place, the year after they will challenge PC and by the time Olympics arrives PC will have no place for error... on the other hand Madison and Zach to my mind will have next season to prove themselves otherwise they will be seeing as the team fighting for bronze ... they will be like osmond who to my mind won the short program at the Olympics but she was looked as one for bronze not for silver or gold
I loved this P/C FD for the very first moment. It is probably the first time I can say I loved it and I keep watching it. I believe it is iconic. But even you, Dave and Jonathan, the first time we all saw their FP, said that this was another emolyric programme and that it wasn't so outstanding. When did you change your mind?
Can everyone calm down for PC vs VM? They’re both GREAT teams, both VERY DIFFERENT styles. I appreciate PC’s skating and reallllly enjoyed their free dance this year, while I also think VM will go down in history as the greatest of all time. Maybe VM would lose to them this season if they were still competing, maybe they would win - no one knows! Remember when they came back in 2016 and everyone thought they were crazy, yet they went undefeated after two years of not competing? Anything could happen folks!!! The french are great, the canadians are great....just appreciate both! Damn tessa and scott are pretty much retired now, the only real involvement they will have in the sport from now on is Scott possibly coaching lol so I don't know why we are still comparing two great teams.
Like I can't even believe we are still talking about Tessa and Scott lol guys they are done competing for good even with no announcement. However if the Russians beat the french I better see them skate PERFECT STELLAR programs next year which I highly doubt! Don't forget the judges gave gabby and gui 13th place at worlds one year and 1st at the next so honestly anythign can happen with those unpredictable judges sheesh.
@@liwei7567 But PC didnt compete with the best teams BACK then in 2015. The best retired. They didnt compete against skaters who won Worlds or Olympic from year before. So anyone who improved could win becaise there were no favourites. Now russians gets PCS almost as high as 4 time wolrd champions and robbed from gold in Olys
the scary thing was, that they extended their lead over H/D so much. H/D scored almost the same at worlds and WTT while S/K got 3 points more. The panel at WTT was with judges from North America ( Canada and USA) , I think the panel at worlds was without. strange. did you guys saw such a big difference and improvement from worlds to WTT for S/K?.
@@imahrlicherI also dont get it...But Medviedeva got 160 two years ago and never saw such score again. they often overscore skaters in such events. I dont think we will see 130 for russian next season.
Alexandra Sydlar i think the judges will recognize that H/D are superior skaters technically that weaver/Poje will probably finish 4th just like Italians did in Turin last year. W/p’s twizzles really hold them back
Hi, I don't mean to be disrespectful but referencing Nathan's lower tech content at WTT as being a gateway for more of a PCS-high performance then saying that this will guarantee the "number stays nice and high." I know that this is the sad reality but shouldn't we not be happy about this if each time he performs he doesn't bring that same performance/ interpretation content (as you said, he omitted many nuances at Worlds). I guess I'm naive but I thought that this would be met with less enthusiasm instead of happiness? Don't we want him to grow and not stay stagnant...to earn his marks? I know many people haven't and don't earn "all" their PCS...but they've been criticized in the past. Nathan seems to be an exception. Regardless, thanks for the video and the thoughts.
@@stellalou7891 I think it's quite reasonable to change one's name when someone like yourself borderline stalks their social media and misreads and then misquotes them publicly. And you then go around saying they have an "unhealthy fixation"...ironic wouldn't you say? 1) Why are on a website of a skater you very clearly dislike...? 2) You clearly can't read or infer information properly since the comments said that someone ELSE stated the projection comment and that I was simply conveying it again but not completely agreeing or disagreeing. And the opinion is just that...an opinion. 3) All comments that I have made have context. Context which you have blatantly excluded in your little summations...clever but not really a good look for someone who is trying to appear morally superior here lol. 4) You seem to have a very major issue here if you feel the need to read a twitter page, search for that person on another website then come here once again and comment on it as if the comments in question weren't undeniably subjective in nature. Perhaps go do something more productive with your time? :)
@@stellalou7891 You have a real problem don't you? Why are you reading posts from weeks ago and then misquoting them? Also, why delete your previous posts if there was nothing wrong? Those are genuine questions, not a self-centred ones. I question your obsessiveness, that's relatively fair considering you just admitted to stalker-like behaviour? How would you even know who has blocked me and who hasn't? How would you know what kind of fan they are if they have? I think, once again, you are falsely interpreting a tweet that I myself made about fandom blocking (not just FS fandoms) in general and made your own spin on it...other than that, you could only find out if you are a hacker which I sincerely hope you aren't. If you tried to find these "blockers" manually, you don't think that involves time and unhealthy dedication to stalking people's twitter pages and other forums? Also, I never said he (JW) was obligated to do anything? You have a strange compulsion to mistake and not infer comments properly...as well as regurgitate what others have said without thinking independently. One person's interpretation of me asking for a second opinion of WTT PCS doesn't equate to me forcing my opinion on them lol. Have a good day and try to not follow people unnecessarily if you don't like their opinions to begin with :)
@@stellalou7891 well that's certainly a relief. Nice to know you're in a group of obsessive people rather than a stalker...convenient that you happened upon comments from weeks ago...did that group chat tell you to keep coming back here and detract from the actual comment that was originally posted and attack someone you don't know? My comment was about PCS but since you have no reasonable rebuttal you decide to attack other matters not even brought to this chat or this video. Matters that you take out of context and post with misguided/ misleading opinions attached. Did that same "group chat" and "happening upon some tweets" teach you to misquote and misread as well? Why don't you just stop responding if you have already blocked, seriously, like why continue to post? I really don't know what more to say to you.
Yup I got that vibe too. The one that was quite visible is at Kiss & Cry of Skate America 2016. In one interview Vanessa also mentioned something about communication improvement as she said that Morgan can be "not so nice" when things don't go as expected. Morgan was in that interview too but he didn't respond anything to her statement. Maybe he was just upset about the situation (not necessarily or personnaly about Vanessa), maybe it's something else. You never know.
Guys I will admit I did not watch this ice skating event. I do not know why I didn't care. But I love your show watched it and am convinced we would be friends in real life!!! I love better midler gymnastics and ice skating too! Lol!
32:16 I had to look up that video of Jason on his Instagram, and to be fair, he was doing The Worm, not... something else, but you’re not wrong that it’s good they reigned him in a bit. 😂
I for one am Glad this particular FD for Hubbell and Donahue wasn't their best. Judges like to see momentum and development and this is the perfect year for them to try something new and a new look and it may not have "worked" necessarily but they are still in the top echelon of Dance Teams and that has not changed in the judges eyes even if some levels have been lowered. They'll come out next season with a program that suits them a bit better and maybe even pull a Chock and Bates and take some time off and then WOW everyone when they come back later next season or something and the judges will see that as "momentum and development" when really they are just going back to a style that they originally won hearts (and points) with, I think there is plenty of "upside" to this team and they will kill it with their next FD! Come thru Hubbell and Donahue!!
I really really hope so. I adore them, but I didn't dig their free dance this season. I'm nervous to see what they come up with next season and I hope they go back to something Beth Hart-y because it really suited them and I'm not ready for them to be overtaken by Russians! (Even if I do have a huge crush on Ivan Bukin!)
Also, I'm not a kitschy person by any means. I hate it when kitsch sneaks into artistic sports like this. Yet... If the USFS and Raf want to really capitalize on the drama "surrounding" Mariah and Eunsoo, they'd make her skate her long program to a suite of music from Wicked. It would be a good way to turn it around and confront the Kfed about their behavior. The music has a lot of emotable moments as well.
Morgan has been know to be cruel to Vanessa. Just look at how he treated her in the kiss and cry at Skate America 2016. Very icky and poor way to treat his partner.
Dave, I m a huge fan of Madison and Zach. I was indifferent to the FD. I would love to see Madi and Zach skate to music from A Star is Born soundtrack. I think Madi/Zach qualities would be explosive skating to "Shallow". Also, I would love to see them skate to Heart's Dreamboat Annie and the Dreamboat Annie's reprise. Also, there is an artist named Kendra Morris. She has very bluesy rock voice. She has version of Pink Floyd's "Shine on you crazy diamond". You can find it ua-cam.com/video/MXsxstW9KLo/v-deo.html
I'm kind of terrified that before the next Olympics, the politics of Ice Dance will overwhelm so much that the Russians end up taking over the French for the gold. I hope I'm wrong but with how close the scores were at WTT I'm thinking I might not be, and there's still a few years to shrink the gap even more. There is no world where the gap in PCS between P/C & S/K should be less than 2 points. NO WAY. I'm a huge V&M fan, I take ownership of it, but in all my fandom, I've never once thought the French were not spectacular and gorgeous. They truly are. And they STILL are. I don't see anyone in the same echelon of talent, skating skills, or magic as P/C currently. I think their FD this year is one of my favourite ice dance programs EVER. So it really pains me to see that it's the Russian team that seems to be the one the politics have chosen to bridge the gap.
I hope you are wrong. I hope, that not the politics for having a closer competition will win over fair judging. if a team closes the gap because of its performance it is fine; but there is no team with the needed skills imo. if you get +5 for this forced twizzles like Katsalapov did one starts to think ( very round back and the shoulders so high and isn't one key point to reach +4/5 ease and lightness) But on the other hand 8 points is a huge gap. last year we saw a 0,7 point gap between first and second place. artistic wise I see G/P from Canada being close to the French but unfortunately they do not have the matching technical skills to their artistic freedom and excellence...( and always underscored in the last 3 PCS imho )
That being said I understand the scoring here was all over the map, almost like Nationals-grade inflation. But nevertheless, I'm left kind of unsettled about the slimmer degrees of separation.
who is the GOATS ?? virtue and moir , those cows on skates?please, PC made them GOAT letting them win short program! they gave it to them!!THOSE goats COULDN Even win free program on olympics when PC COULD perform their program in 100% without any dress issue, right? thats GOAT couple for you? Think twice before you post something!
I don't think P/C's FD this year is really a major program. The music just has a very low expressive ceiling. But I'm looking forward to what they bring next season, with P continuing to blossom. They did say they were feeling tired this season. I do frown on the closeness of the Russian's scores.
Have you seen Alina Zagitova’s appearance at Ivan Urgant’s late night talk show yet? She speaks about eating habits there, and how she doesn’t drink water at the competitions, only rinses her mouth and then spits the water out.
Fukuoka Fu- foo, like the band foo fighters. (Bonus marks if you can slightly aspirate the F) Ku- sound like coup like in 'Coup d'état' O- pronounce the O like in orange. It is NOT Oh Ka- short ka sound Pronounce each syllable with the same length. Fu - ku - o - ka
Eh have to personally disagree with you guys about P/C , when you see ice dance team specifically juniors with the lifts and the costumes you can clearly see they are emulating Tessa Scott more so than P/C imo. Most ice dance juniors or recently turned senior teams have even said they look up to tessa/scott rather than P/C I personally think V/M have had more of an influence than P/C in ID. And until P/C have the technical iconic prowess of V/M's mahler and Moulin rouge FD's i don't personally think they own the FD especially since how overscored they are in the free, and especially since their skating stays the same, pretty, but formulaic, However I do think they have greatly improved in their RD this season which I personally enjoyed.
You are so delusional i feel pity for you. VM might be a national treasure but outside of Canada they are long forgotten and they will leave literally 0 trace in this sport. They are barely good enough to finish in dancing with the outdated celebrities ...
You do have to remember that people develop idols at a young age and p/c have really only been around for 5 years. I do agree with you that the current juniors seem to more idolize v/m but I wouldn't be surprised if in 4-5 years the juniors begin to associate more with p/c who would have been the top team when they were first getting into the sport
@@nicoplosion Really? So the medals V&M won at 3 Olympics means nothing? Come on. You can prefer G&G, but don't discount the legacy V&M has had on ice dance.
I'm a huge fan of Hubbell & Donahue, but their programs this season were not as good as they normally are. They are ions better than Sinitsina & Katsalapov. I agree with Jonathan that perhaps they were trying too hard. All of the changes made especially to the FD probably came from the negative feedback on the Romeo & Juliet music and program. I'm just hoping they get some killer programs next season that really showcases their talents. They are wonderful skaters with super chemistry. On the flip side, I was bored to tears with S&K's free dance.
Leave Max Aaron’s name out of your mouth. You guys have talked enough trash about him. Let him enjoy his retirement and legacy and respect of his fans.
I have a funny feeling that Elizaveta might be on her way to the EC and WC next year ahead of Eteri’s juniors thanks to her lethal 3A weapon both in SP and FS along with higher component scores. I also think Evgenia and Alina whose components might well be higher than the Eteri juniors have a chance. So quads might not work out. Next year, six Russian ladies will battle for a spot, but juniors will not get it easily as they are expected, I guess.
World Team Trophy - yuck. On par with 1993’s Hocus Pocus, “harmlessly hokey yet never much better than mediocre.” Put this event on the shelf with the NFL Pro Bowl.
I really resent the 2002 judges that put Plushenko ahead of Goebel in the short. It is complete bullshit. Judge 9, 5, and 2. How you gonna give that garbage 5.9 in performance. If Plushenko got his deserved 6th, then Goebel would've gotten a deserved silver.
Politically the Russians are pushing their team closer to the French. Thats ridicolous, they have any shame? S/K and PC are like heaven and earth. WTT scores are massively overscored , i don believe s.k will get such PCS in near future. maybe closer olympics
I agree with you 100%. I really try very hard not to criticize specific teams, but I will say I've noticed this copying you're talking about. Most evident in Sinitsina/Katsalapov and Chock/Bates. I am fans of both of those teams, but It's just something I've noticed. Are there any other teams you've noticed doing this? I'd be interested to know others. @@evanperilstein5308
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5:23 Hubbell / Donahue 🇺🇸
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25:52 Papadakis / Cizeron 🇫🇷
27:05 Virtue / Moir 🇨🇦
30:31 General chat about scoring 📝
31:30 Team Japan kiss and cry 💋💦
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33:16 Weaver / Poje 🇨🇦
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35:11 James / Cipres 🇫🇷
40:06 Moore-Towers / Marinaro 🇨🇦
40:47 Cain / LeDuc 🇺🇸
41:26 James / Cipres again 🇫🇷
43:03 Guarise / Della Monica 🇮🇹
43:08: WTT prize money + Olympic team event chat 💵
48:39 Guarise / Della Monica again 🇮🇹
50:50 Team Russia kiss and cry 💋💦
MEN
51:24 Vincent Zhou 🇺🇸
53:37 Shoma Uno 🇯🇵
59:08 Nathan Chen 🇺🇸
LADIES
1:03:19 Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 🇷🇺
1:07:18 2002 Olympics chat + future of WTT 🏆
1:09:36 Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 🇷🇺
1:11:06 Rika Kihira 🇯🇵
1:13:01 Camp Tutberidze eating habits 🙅🏻
1:14:20 Rika Kihira again 🇯🇵
1:15:14 Bradie Tennell 🇺🇸
1:19:03 Mariah Bell 🇺🇸
1:21:56 Alina Zagitova next season 🇷🇺
1:22:28 2002 Olympics chat 🏆
1:23:37 Moment of the week 👦🏻👦🏻
God bless you.
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Rockstar!
Liza Tuk absolutely deserved to go to Worlds.
Jonathan really did have a lot of feelings today. Bless him for being so moved about Liza's redemption skate! The little girl inside her is alive once again!! And I appreciate Nathan's flex in winning with a layout that is easy for him, but that guys can't even do, and then adding in a 4S because he can. All while the other guys were going wild with their layouts and having jump measuring contests in the gala practice, which he skipped. The best.
I was so surprised by Vincent's skate! The changes are small but noticeable :) I'm happy for him!
Appreciate how quickly you guys are able to get recaps uploaded!
Gabriella Papadakis deserves a special medal for her kiss and cry antics. Its hard not to love her
And I never realized the french had such talented artists until I saw their whiteboard drawings
Her beret was the best thing about the WTT
At one point she was grinding her ass up on Vanessa Morgan :S
I think Rika is so desperately exhausted right now, it's amazing she can stand up. She needs a few weeks off.
Honestly, I think Zagitova started the season exhausted. She looked like she was so stressed and tense and miserable the entire season. I wouldn't be surprised if she was in a lot of pain all season, she looked like she was hurt on many occasions. That poor girl needs to rest and be left alone so she can decide if she even wants to skate anymore.
Colleen Shaughnessy Calling Alina “poor girl”... is an unnecessary expression!
I called her "poor girl" because I think she has been so pressured and overwhelmed this season. It's not an insult. I don't like to see a young athlete look as stressed as she has this year.
Dave's face while Jonathan was kvelling about Elizaveta was my moment of the week
Vincent NEEDS to switch to Mie Hamada. So much improvement with just a few weeks of training. Imagine how he'd be like after a summer training with her.
I just don't think he will. He seems attached to Tammy if nothing else and moving to Japan is a bit much. Training during the summer and when she's in the states tho is doable. But I wonder how the Japanese fed feels about her training someone who beats their national champion. And it's not just training, but sitting in the K&C with him. Sure, skaters will come the US for quad training but it ends there.
I want Mie Hamada to relocate her camp to Colorado Springs and be in charge of Tom and Tammy
According to mie hamada she's been teaching vincent for almost 2 years so vincent's improvement is not just a few weeks of training
vincent also went to canada to worked (ss and jumps) with lori and kurt browning
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Thank you for the prompt recap! Mie Hamada mentioned to the press that she got so many varieties of duct tape for Rika and the one that worked was the one used for water pipes, thus in grey’ish in color. The boot issue Is getting so much press coverage in Japan. Rika mentioned it herself a couple of times and now media asks her each time! She said her goal next season is to find boots that last. I hope her boot issue doesn’t turn out to be like Karen Chen’s.
Zhou didn’t just do a 4lutz, it was a Rippon 4lutz. I was just floored with that.
it was under-rotated and deserved a downgrade. Here's the video: twitter.com/yuzuspiration/status/1117630520719020032
blade hits the ice forward. but yes, beautiful in normal speed for sure :)
vistaprime Of course that video is from a Yuzu fan - big surprise LOL. Complete with yammering about Yuzu’s “pristine technique”. Like Yuzu hasn’t had UR before - and a recent and wonky 4S.
vistaprime that’s from his short, they were talking about the one from his free
vistaprime and anyone who’s twitter hashtag is Yuzuspiration I will not take seriously.
I actually think it was pretty cool Shoma used this competition to be experimental instead of playing safe, I mean, it’s not a serious competition anyway so why not try do something bold just for the challenge/fun of it?
Cami_2006 this was the competition he first landed his quad flip a few years back!
Jonathan Beyer yes! It’s not a big deal where you finish at WTT anyway so use it to make history! Use the competition format and test new stuff!
Shoma is my favorite male skater now and I love how he never settles, he just continues to challenge himself, I just wish he would be smarter with his layouts in competitions, he needs to find a balance between doing everything he wants to do and something that works competitively.
I really wish he finds his consistency because my gosh this boy is beautiful to watch!
If he’s healthy, but he had been dealing with injuries without taking breaks. Seeing him trying out new trick and seemed to injure himself even more was very concerning.
Thanks guys for the quick upload! Have a great off season :) Looking forward to the next one already
We will be doing shows throughout the spring and summer!
TheSkatingLesson Oh that’s great to hear! Enjoy!
Thanks for taking one for the TSL team and watching this! I only watched 3 programs. I just couldn't bring myself to do more.
You're very welcome! Dance and Pairs were my favorite to watch.
"I'm tired of pretending to care!" Yes...aren't we all. So much truth telling here.
I’m sure Nathan is well aware that he was carrying the majority of the load for this US team. And I’m sure he’s grateful for his Olympic teammates who carried the load last year and skated well after he underperformed. That entire team was vital in winning that Olympic medal.
And I too would have sent Liza to Worlds over Sofia.
Natalie Marvos good point about the Olympic team medal
Natalie Marvos he underperformed, but he still placed 4th there. He did his job. Adam still only placed 3rd and Scimeca/Knierim places 4th in their clean skates.
Davin Yu yes but the Knierims and the Shibs both had to do 2 programs and Mirai, Adam and Bradie were all clean. So it’s also true that he’s been on the other side of things where others carried the load. But given how well Vincent did and the margin between the US and Japan at WTT, we would’ve won gold even if Nathan had been behind Shoma in both the short and the long. Actually he could’ve finished behind both Japanese men and we still would’ve won. The US has a really balanced team.
That’s just looking at the placements. I look at who the skaters placed ahead of. Nathan had a very off SP and finished a few spots below where he could have. Then the Knierims skated and placed ahead of James/Cipres, Yu/Zhang, and the Italians, which gave the US 3 extra points that weren’t really expected. And the strong US skates continued from there. So my point was that Nathan has been on the other sides of things where he wasn’t getting 1st place and needed his teammates to help lift him. Sure the US could have won WTT this year without him, but that was mostly in part because Russia was missing several key skaters and their men finished way down in the standings. He’s still the main reason why this year’s team won.
My moment of the week: Dave saying “it’s not gonna hold me”, referring to his boots
I think everyone was happy that Liza owned the moment!!! The Japanese like that she's a fighter!
Shoma has some kinda mental block preventing him from reaching his full potential. He said it himself, like he said he resorts to trying hard and skating aggressively to avoid having to be perfect, be at the top, win and be a champion, because if you take an aggressive approach, then you can say you did your best, and you can justify losing.
You guys clearly don’t speak Japanese, so it might be hard to grasp but Shoma really does have such a submissive, humble personality, compared to someone like Yuzuru who is always so hungry, confident and some even describe him as being “narcissistic” and “full of himself”, even Kanako Murakami said that about him lol
But anyway, Shoma likes to stick to what he’s used to, wheres someone like Yuzuru never gets satisfied no matter what, Shoma likes being comfortable and that’s his biggest problem. He said he’ll always be with Machiko and Mihoko no matter what, and that he only wants to skate to programs Mihoko choreograph, til the end of his career. He’s so used to looking up to Yuzuru and being a bridesmaid that he doesn’t believe he can be the best male figure skater. He has everything it takes, he just has to believe in himself.
Love this. You guys are very entertaining and knowledgeable. Thanks.
1:00:00 Nathan's return to previous costume - good call, he looks like he could pick up a trumpet or trombone in a 60s jazz club. Shae-Lynn Bourne's choreography for this programme is one of the highlights of the year.
I wish Mie Hamada brings all her students and relocate to Colorado Springs to be the one in charge.
Folding laundry have the Stanley Cup playoffs in the background(Go Isles!) and watching you guys. Love it!
Enjoy!
You guys are so funny, even when I don't agree with everything you say you still crack me up! 😂😂❤❤
I'm sure Nathan is making lots of money...but have you taken a look at that Yale tuition/Room/Board cost lately? He needs all the money he can get
He is more than able to cover it with the funding, shows, prize money and endorsements. He made more than Yale tuition just from winning worlds.
I don't think he's paying for Yale if you go by what Raf said.
Yeah you reckon Yale wouldn't have a world champion figure skater on some form of scholarship?
I believe most of the tuition was already covered through scholarships.
Dave, have you heard any updates on Medvedeva’s injury? Apparently it’s either a thigh or a hip injury & she isn’t even allowed to get on a treadmill at this point.
Also, any updates as to why Evgenia isn’t working with “the” jump technical expert at TCC?
Lorenzferus Give it a rest.
Congrats Team USA on your fourth World Team Trophy!! Great job!!!!
Thank you for this, I just couldn't bring myself to watch anyone but the ladies...
Lena Vinogradova thank you for watching. While fans might have their favorites, I hope everyone can see the artistic and athletic confidence and talent in all events.
I've always wondered why they don't incorporate the team event into Worlds to simulate what will happen at the Olympics. It would make sense to start testing out strategies with potential teams before an Olympic medal is up for grabs.
It may be too expensive and taxing to have the team event at worlds.
That would be great, but it seems that Japan is the one primarily funding the team event and they are going to want to host it every time.
1:05:00
I think the proper colloquialism for how Zagitova got through this season is "thoughts and prayers".
SaintHaHaLOLZ She slayed. Won Silver at GPF, Silver at Europeans, and Gold at Worlds. I believe most skaters would die to have such a “bad” season :-)
Lorenzferus please learn something about FS
I understand where you're coming from with trading Tuktamysheva and Samodurova, but I would like to add that Samodurova was the most consistent senior woman all season! So many back-to-back clean skates.
please put these on Spotify as podcasts
can we have a T&T for Synchro World Champs?
Wasn't Nathan sick?
Will you two ever do an episode about what music you believe everyone should skate to for the upcoming season (or at some point at all)? I always find your opinions on music and costumes so interesting...
On a completely different note, the back seam of my boot popped the night before a show - when I tied my skates you could see my foot through the back. Practically half a roll of duct tape held it together and I certainly agree with Dave: there is nothing more frightening than a lutz in a dead boot 😉
While it's true that Nathan and Vincent carried this US team to the victory practically by themselves, that hasn't always been the case in these team events. Nathan had a hard time at the Olympic Team Event and didn't do as well as expected, and it was Alexa & Chris who skated really well after him and placed ahead of Vanessa & Morgan, the Chinese pair, etc. So can we please not act as if US skaters are always just riding Nathan's coattails to a team medal because that certainly isn't always the case. The Olympic team medal in 2018 was truly a collaborative effort and it's not fair to minimize the accomplishments of those skaters, no matter how you feel about team events.
The skating fans can always be relied on to be apologists. We were discussing this event.
I get what you're saying about skaters winning team medals that weren't up for individual medals. There's something strange about Ashley Cain celebrating wildly on social media about this big win and finishing the year on a high when they didn't do so well in either segment. I knew what you meant about Nathan carrying the team. But then you brought up the Olympic team event, which seemed a bit out of place because it was Nathan who ironically struggled there, and the Knierims in particular kind of bailed him out and took the heat off of him. The Knierims have been important in team events. At that one WTT when the US narrowly won over Russia, it was in large part because Alexa & Chris finished ahead of Kavaguti & Smirnov in the LP. But I get what you were trying to say.
mystic arms! Elizaveta Tuktamysheva! too funny, Jonathan. I always called them the broken doll arms
Iirc the signs for Team Japan in the Kiss&Cry said things like "You did well/Well done!" and (for Shoma's FS, notably after he did those interviews where he credited Japan's standings to the ladies rather than him) "Shoma", "Thanks for your hard work" and (I think? More of a guess) "We'll take it from here" (from the ladies). Keiji's Kiss & Cry had a "+5 GOE please!"
Always love how you two keep it real
Please do a break down Danny G's interview on diet!!!
Best line (of many in this particular episode) "It was like Richard Simmons on QVC on New Year's Eve". BWAHA HA HA HA HA!!!
Brian Brian do you remember his annual appearances???
@@TheSkatingLesson LOL No, I hate QVC and always thought it was for people who lived in Trailers (My mother Liiiiives for it tho and I always look at her with horror and shame when she brings it up in my presence) and Richard Simmons makes me want to gay bash myself for no reason so that combo in addition to New Years Eve would not be my cup of tea but I can ONLY IMAGINE how insane it would be. LOL. Also Kudos to Nathan for not even pretending to be amused by his teammate's ridiculous Kiss and Cry enthusiasm ha ha. Keep on being too cool for School Nathan, never change!
Richard simmons on New Years on QVC..... Priceless
Jonathan i m with you in Elizabeta winning !!! I saw the scores in the isu.com and made me so happy ❤️
Many are with you!
Oh, I would really like your opinion on the two top Russian teams against each other. For my money I think Stepanova/Bukin are far and away the more interesting and engaging team but I don't feel they skate to their potential. I think if they had a choreographer that really pushed and challenged them they could be amazing. Sinitsina/Katsalapov I feel do great with what they have, and maybe are slightly better technically, but they don't thrill me and I don't feel they have as much room to grow.
agree;i prefer Stepanova/ Bukin more than Sinitsina/Katsalapov.
Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼❤️❤️
Джейн Белл
3A4T is different from 4T3ASeq. They dont have the same base value. 3A4T(x) bv is 19.25 while 4T3Aseq(x) bv is 15.40
Hooray! 16K and going strong!
Every Year I used to watch Richard Simmons on QVC.
OMG "Richard Simmons on QVC on NYE". I had to rewind, I was laughing do hard.
LOVE the tshirt Dave!!
Thank you!!
You guys are spot on re Hubbell & Donohue. I hope they get it together beacause in 2016/17 and 2017/18 I adored them, especially Madi and her vibe on the ice which is so different to all the other girls. I heard some Fosse talk from them for next season and I'm 100% here for that (but I'm not sure if that was for the RD or FD)
It would make sense for the RD.
Fosse would be great for them!
TheSkatingLesson It would. I kinda want a full blown free dance of it though! But I’m the biggest Chicago fan around so I would!
I will reserve judgment until we see it!
I also love and am frustrated by both Shoma and Alexa.
I hope I never get to the point in my cynicism when I can't enjoy the WTT.
26:50 even last season, I believe V&M were over-marked (not by much) but certainly on the FD at Olympics. The French were far superior back then too, they've only just extended that and stretched their ability further.
V&M will always be "historically remembered" skaters, in fact, they're probably the best since Torvill and Dean. But Papadakis & Cizeron have taken it another step forward.
This season, their FD is one that's for the history books, but I also believe that Fear & Gibson's FD (not at WTT) is a FD for the history books. We've been quite blessed with programmes this year that'll be forever remembered as Landmark programmes:
Vanessa James & Morgan Cipres's Free Programme
Papadakis & Cizeron's Free Dance
Fear & Gibson's Free Dance
Nathan Chen's Short Programme
Olympic score for VM were fixed. Lack of french judge and canadian , director of Skate canada..please,.it is so obvious. With that competition where two teams fight for gold so close and there is only canadian judge WHO without any shame put PC as low as she can and no french judge???Ridicoulous situatuion! And only chinnese judge was warned after Olympics! Lady form Skate caandia should be also!
They are both great skaters. VM are retired now and never coming back to the sport. They deservedly won the Olympics, and P&C were lucky to have gotten silver after a disastrous SD. Love PC's FD this season though - my favourite from theirs.
@@marikafasola8771 Have you spoken to our dear friend Didier
@@bx7146 LOL Didier has no problem with olympics . he doesnt give a shit. HE doenst care about his skaters.He said after pyeogchang: "maybe next time,haha"
@@bx7146 OLd fraus from canada are coming!They were LUCKY to win silver ??LOL ?disastrous short ??? FIRST Part of the shprt program was BETTER SCORED THEN canadian one, you idiot.Stop making up shit! And whats more importans Canadian LOST FREE PROGRAM. You can lie and makinp narratives but you cannot change that! PAttern, and non touching step sequnce in short was BETTER SCORED then V/Ms(anyway patter made by VM was a joke) .Judges wanted to give french MORE SCORES THen to VM. Check protocols. Thats the more important thing!!!And you didnt , obviously! French DID VERRRYYY GOOD SHORT despite their condition. They were very brave, you loser|! And ONE LEVEL COST THEM GOLD! And if your cows from canada were better, wjhy they had lower PCS then french? HAAHAHAHHA Caandian team had LUCK , thats only answer, my dear. PC were faster, smoother had better SS.. French were the one who were chosed to win gold.Stop drinking and makking up those OLD lies is makins us sick. Say something new , once for a while. Maybe you did forget GRAND PRIX FINAL???? you ubers forget about it and pretend it didnt happen
I feel that the competition that rika did between 4CC and worlds just to get isu points to be in the final group for the worlds was the thing that exhausted her
Btw there was zagitovas interview, she says that when she needs to drink water she takes a zip and then spills it out not to gain even 100 grams
Mariam Rus actually she said that before the Olympics they we’re weighted every day so BEFORE check she was usually taking a sip instead of drinking not to see extra weight on scale
@ Mariam Rus: Now I know where all the false translation, that these guys are saying in their videos, is coming from. Why do you Medvedbots always translate wrong? These TSL- babies always tells the wrong stuff, which neither Eteri, nor Danny G ever have said. That' makes them ridiculous not only for all the Russian views, but for all these, who understands Russian as well.
That is extremely problematic.
@@TheSkatingLesson Extremely problematic is really, that you always get the wrong translation from some people and present that wrong translation as something that someone allegedly said. And even Tarasova said that this what Alina talked about: You can't jum with overweight.
Mariam : Another one wrong translation. They look like liers to all of the Russian speaking people out there, because of such viewers as you are. Stop translating anything wrong and make Eteri look like a monster. Or name one skater who performs well and does not have eating issues. That's a coordination sport if you eat too much you will not be able to jump. And yes Rika doesn't have false technique, or other issues, just because she is training in the "right" camp for these two. These two sounds like two jealous women, who always try to make someone who is better than they are look worser, even if it's only in their own world.
Fukuoka was where Scarlett Johannson's movie husband went to shoot a band in Lost in Translation, a movie we watch often, lol. So funny to see it in pictures. Looks gorgeous.
Is it just me who thinks that Russian ice dance team really were extremely close in points with PC. I feel like this year they were fighting for second team with a lot other teams, next year they will kind of prove their second place, the year after they will challenge PC and by the time Olympics arrives PC will have no place for error... on the other hand Madison and Zach to my mind will have next season to prove themselves otherwise they will be seeing as the team fighting for bronze ... they will be like osmond who to my mind won the short program at the Olympics but she was looked as one for bronze not for silver or gold
WAY too close.
I loved this P/C FD for the very first moment. It is probably the first time I can say I loved it and I keep watching it. I believe it is iconic. But even you, Dave and Jonathan, the first time we all saw their FP, said that this was another emolyric programme and that it wasn't so outstanding. When did you change your mind?
Can everyone calm down for PC vs VM? They’re both GREAT teams, both VERY DIFFERENT styles. I appreciate PC’s skating and reallllly enjoyed their free dance this year, while I also think VM will go down in history as the greatest of all time. Maybe VM would lose to them this season if they were still competing, maybe they would win - no one knows! Remember when they came back in 2016 and everyone thought they were crazy, yet they went undefeated after two years of not competing? Anything could happen folks!!! The french are great, the canadians are great....just appreciate both! Damn tessa and scott are pretty much retired now, the only real involvement they will have in the sport from now on is Scott possibly coaching lol so I don't know why we are still comparing two great teams.
Like I can't even believe we are still talking about Tessa and Scott lol guys they are done competing for good even with no announcement. However if the Russians beat the french I better see them skate PERFECT STELLAR programs next year which I highly doubt! Don't forget the judges gave gabby and gui 13th place at worlds one year and 1st at the next so honestly anythign can happen with those unpredictable judges sheesh.
@@liwei7567 But PC didnt compete with the best teams BACK then in 2015. The best retired. They didnt compete against skaters who won Worlds or Olympic from year before. So anyone who improved could win becaise there were no favourites. Now russians gets PCS almost as high as 4 time wolrd champions and robbed from gold in Olys
the scary thing was, that they extended their lead over H/D so much. H/D scored almost the same at worlds and WTT while S/K got 3 points more. The panel at WTT was with judges from North America ( Canada and USA) , I think the panel at worlds was without. strange. did you guys saw such a big difference and improvement from worlds to WTT for S/K?.
@@imahrlicherI also dont get it...But Medviedeva got 160 two years ago and never saw such score again. they often overscore skaters in such events. I dont think we will see 130 for russian next season.
Sadly I don’t see an American team on the podium at Worlds next year with the Russians making a push and Wolds being in Canada.
Alexandra Sydlar i think the judges will recognize that H/D are superior skaters technically that weaver/Poje will probably finish 4th just like Italians did in Turin last year. W/p’s twizzles really hold them back
The Wonder Woman score is actually really good, but not sure how it'd work for ice dancing. A free skate, perfect!
Hi, I don't mean to be disrespectful but referencing Nathan's lower tech content at WTT as being a gateway for more of a PCS-high performance then saying that this will guarantee the "number stays nice and high." I know that this is the sad reality but shouldn't we not be happy about this if each time he performs he doesn't bring that same performance/ interpretation content (as you said, he omitted many nuances at Worlds). I guess I'm naive but I thought that this would be met with less enthusiasm instead of happiness? Don't we want him to grow and not stay stagnant...to earn his marks? I know many people haven't and don't earn "all" their PCS...but they've been criticized in the past. Nathan seems to be an exception. Regardless, thanks for the video and the thoughts.
@@stellalou7891 "unhealthy fixation"...wow.
@@stellalou7891 I think it's quite reasonable to change one's name when someone like yourself borderline stalks their social media and misreads and then misquotes them publicly. And you then go around saying they have an "unhealthy fixation"...ironic wouldn't you say? 1) Why are on a website of a skater you very clearly dislike...? 2) You clearly can't read or infer information properly since the comments said that someone ELSE stated the projection comment and that I was simply conveying it again but not completely agreeing or disagreeing. And the opinion is just that...an opinion. 3) All comments that I have made have context. Context which you have blatantly excluded in your little summations...clever but not really a good look for someone who is trying to appear morally superior here lol. 4) You seem to have a very major issue here if you feel the need to read a twitter page, search for that person on another website then come here once again and comment on it as if the comments in question weren't undeniably subjective in nature. Perhaps go do something more productive with your time? :)
@@stellalou7891 You have a real problem don't you? Why are you reading posts from weeks ago and then misquoting them? Also, why delete your previous posts if there was nothing wrong? Those are genuine questions, not a self-centred ones. I question your obsessiveness, that's relatively fair considering you just admitted to stalker-like behaviour? How would you even know who has blocked me and who hasn't? How would you know what kind of fan they are if they have? I think, once again, you are falsely interpreting a tweet that I myself made about fandom blocking (not just FS fandoms) in general and made your own spin on it...other than that, you could only find out if you are a hacker which I sincerely hope you aren't. If you tried to find these "blockers" manually, you don't think that involves time and unhealthy dedication to stalking people's twitter pages and other forums? Also, I never said he (JW) was obligated to do anything? You have a strange compulsion to mistake and not infer comments properly...as well as regurgitate what others have said without thinking independently. One person's interpretation of me asking for a second opinion of WTT PCS doesn't equate to me forcing my opinion on them lol. Have a good day and try to not follow people unnecessarily if you don't like their opinions to begin with :)
@@stellalou7891 well that's certainly a relief. Nice to know you're in a group of obsessive people rather than a stalker...convenient that you happened upon comments from weeks ago...did that group chat tell you to keep coming back here and detract from the actual comment that was originally posted and attack someone you don't know? My comment was about PCS but since you have no reasonable rebuttal you decide to attack other matters not even brought to this chat or this video. Matters that you take out of context and post with misguided/ misleading opinions attached. Did that same "group chat" and "happening upon some tweets" teach you to misquote and misread as well? Why don't you just stop responding if you have already blocked, seriously, like why continue to post? I really don't know what more to say to you.
Richard Simmons on QVC on New year's Eve....:-)
Johnathan, I have always felt that vibe from Morgan and its always the reason I've never liked him.
readingnerd1 I agrée. And on the other hand I love Vanessa, her exuberance and joy in skating.
Yup I got that vibe too. The one that was quite visible is at Kiss & Cry of Skate America 2016. In one interview Vanessa also mentioned something about communication improvement as she said that Morgan can be "not so nice" when things don't go as expected. Morgan was in that interview too but he didn't respond anything to her statement. Maybe he was just upset about the situation (not necessarily or personnaly about Vanessa), maybe it's something else. You never know.
Guys I will admit I did not watch this ice skating event. I do not know why I didn't care. But I love your show watched it and am convinced we would be friends in real life!!! I love better midler gymnastics and ice skating too! Lol!
Cheer up Dave! Did you see Sui and Han in the gala?
32:16 I had to look up that video of Jason on his Instagram, and to be fair, he was doing The Worm, not... something else, but you’re not wrong that it’s good they reigned him in a bit. 😂
Chillllle what was that noise while talking about Elizaveta?
Nails or nuts
Basia Szpak-Borst was grating on my Misophonia
Any time stamps?
Too early.
I for one am Glad this particular FD for Hubbell and Donahue wasn't their best. Judges like to see momentum and development and this is the perfect year for them to try something new and a new look and it may not have "worked" necessarily but they are still in the top echelon of Dance Teams and that has not changed in the judges eyes even if some levels have been lowered. They'll come out next season with a program that suits them a bit better and maybe even pull a Chock and Bates and take some time off and then WOW everyone when they come back later next season or something and the judges will see that as "momentum and development" when really they are just going back to a style that they originally won hearts (and points) with, I think there is plenty of "upside" to this team and they will kill it with their next FD! Come thru Hubbell and Donahue!!
I really really hope so. I adore them, but I didn't dig their free dance this season. I'm nervous to see what they come up with next season and I hope they go back to something Beth Hart-y because it really suited them and I'm not ready for them to be overtaken by Russians! (Even if I do have a huge crush on Ivan Bukin!)
Also, I'm not a kitschy person by any means. I hate it when kitsch sneaks into artistic sports like this. Yet...
If the USFS and Raf want to really capitalize on the drama "surrounding" Mariah and Eunsoo, they'd make her skate her long program to a suite of music from Wicked. It would be a good way to turn it around and confront the Kfed about their behavior. The music has a lot of emotable moments as well.
SaintHaHaLOLZ thank you for watching. Mariah Bell is amazing and we all love her.
They likely want to forget about that incident entirely.
Love Jazz Hands!
Elizabeth Parson thanks for watching. The French have a history of homophobia. It is sad.
Go Dawgs!!!!!
Morgan has been know to be cruel to Vanessa. Just look at how he treated her in the kiss and cry at Skate America 2016. Very icky and poor way to treat his partner.
They are very good friends and I never see this. It's rumor.
I saw that K&C moment at Skate America too.
Dave, I m a huge fan of Madison and Zach. I was indifferent to the FD. I would love to see Madi and Zach skate to music from A Star is Born soundtrack. I think Madi/Zach qualities would be explosive skating to "Shallow". Also, I would love to see them skate to Heart's Dreamboat Annie and the Dreamboat Annie's reprise. Also, there is an artist named Kendra Morris. She has very bluesy rock voice. She has version of Pink Floyd's "Shine on you crazy diamond". You can find it ua-cam.com/video/MXsxstW9KLo/v-deo.html
I'm kind of terrified that before the next Olympics, the politics of Ice Dance will overwhelm so much that the Russians end up taking over the French for the gold. I hope I'm wrong but with how close the scores were at WTT I'm thinking I might not be, and there's still a few years to shrink the gap even more. There is no world where the gap in PCS between P/C & S/K should be less than 2 points. NO WAY. I'm a huge V&M fan, I take ownership of it, but in all my fandom, I've never once thought the French were not spectacular and gorgeous. They truly are. And they STILL are. I don't see anyone in the same echelon of talent, skating skills, or magic as P/C currently. I think their FD this year is one of my favourite ice dance programs EVER. So it really pains me to see that it's the Russian team that seems to be the one the politics have chosen to bridge the gap.
I hope you are wrong. I hope, that not the politics for having a closer competition will win over fair judging. if a team closes the gap because of its performance it is fine; but there is no team with the needed skills imo.
if you get +5 for this forced twizzles like Katsalapov did one starts to think ( very round back and the shoulders so high and isn't one key point to reach +4/5 ease and lightness) But on the other hand 8 points is a huge gap. last year we saw a 0,7 point gap between first and second place.
artistic wise I see G/P from Canada being close to the French but unfortunately they do not have the matching technical skills to their artistic freedom and excellence...( and always underscored in the last 3 PCS imho )
That being said I understand the scoring here was all over the map, almost like Nationals-grade inflation. But nevertheless, I'm left kind of unsettled about the slimmer degrees of separation.
I like p/c BUT saying even the GOATs of ice dance couldn’t even compete with them? Surely that shows an obvious scoring issue.....
who is the GOATS ?? virtue and moir , those cows on skates?please, PC made them GOAT letting them win short program! they gave it to them!!THOSE goats COULDN Even win free program on olympics when PC COULD perform their program in 100% without any dress issue, right? thats GOAT couple for you? Think twice before you post something!
I don't think P/C's FD this year is really a major program. The music just has a very low expressive ceiling. But I'm looking forward to what they bring next season, with P continuing to blossom. They did say they were feeling tired this season. I do frown on the closeness of the Russian's scores.
Have you seen Alina Zagitova’s appearance at Ivan Urgant’s late night talk show yet? She speaks about eating habits there, and how she doesn’t drink water at the competitions, only rinses her mouth and then spits the water out.
rimmka29 Watch the full interview, with good translation. She was referring in competitions at the OG, and how she misunderstood about nutrition.
Fukuoka
Fu- foo, like the band foo fighters. (Bonus marks if you can slightly aspirate the F)
Ku- sound like coup like in 'Coup d'état'
O- pronounce the O like in orange. It is NOT Oh
Ka- short ka sound
Pronounce each syllable with the same length.
Fu - ku - o - ka
Eh have to personally disagree with you guys about P/C , when you see ice dance team specifically juniors with the lifts and the costumes you can clearly see they are emulating Tessa Scott more so than P/C imo. Most ice dance juniors or recently turned senior teams have even said they look up to tessa/scott rather than P/C I personally think V/M have had more of an influence than P/C in ID. And until P/C have the technical iconic prowess of V/M's mahler and Moulin rouge FD's i don't personally think they own the FD especially since how overscored they are in the free, and especially since their skating stays the same, pretty, but formulaic, However I do think they have greatly improved in their RD this season which I personally enjoyed.
Violet frances we can agree to disagree
You are so delusional i feel pity for you. VM might be a national treasure but outside of Canada they are long forgotten and they will leave literally 0 trace in this sport. They are barely good enough to finish in dancing with the outdated celebrities ...
@@nicoplosion k bro.
You do have to remember that people develop idols at a young age and p/c have really only been around for 5 years. I do agree with you that the current juniors seem to more idolize v/m but I wouldn't be surprised if in 4-5 years the juniors begin to associate more with p/c who would have been the top team when they were first getting into the sport
@@nicoplosion Really? So the medals V&M won at 3 Olympics means nothing? Come on. You can prefer G&G, but don't discount the legacy V&M has had on ice dance.
I'm a huge fan of Hubbell & Donahue, but their programs this season were not as good as they normally are. They are ions better than Sinitsina & Katsalapov. I agree with Jonathan that perhaps they were trying too hard. All of the changes made especially to the FD probably came from the negative feedback on the Romeo & Juliet music and program. I'm just hoping they get some killer programs next season that really showcases their talents. They are wonderful skaters with super chemistry. On the flip side, I was bored to tears with S&K's free dance.
Leave Max Aaron’s name out of your mouth. You guys have talked enough trash about him. Let him enjoy his retirement and legacy and respect of his fans.
I have a funny feeling that Elizaveta might be on her way to the EC and WC next year ahead of Eteri’s juniors thanks to her lethal 3A weapon both in SP and FS along with higher component scores. I also think Evgenia and Alina whose components might well be higher than the Eteri juniors have a chance. So quads might not work out. Next year, six Russian ladies will battle for a spot, but juniors will not get it easily as they are expected, I guess.
World Team Trophy - yuck. On par with 1993’s Hocus Pocus, “harmlessly hokey yet never much better than mediocre.” Put this event on the shelf with the NFL Pro Bowl.
I really resent the 2002 judges that put Plushenko ahead of Goebel in the short. It is complete bullshit. Judge 9, 5, and 2. How you gonna give that garbage 5.9 in performance. If Plushenko got his deserved 6th, then Goebel would've gotten a deserved silver.
It will be a fun event to judge and discuss. Thank you for requesting it!
Politically the Russians are pushing their team closer to the French. Thats ridicolous, they have any shame? S/K and PC are like heaven and earth. WTT scores are massively overscored , i don believe s.k will get such PCS in near future. maybe closer olympics
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"pc own the free dance" more like the judges have gifted them the free dance since 2015
I agree with you 100%. I really try very hard not to criticize specific teams, but I will say I've noticed this copying you're talking about. Most evident in Sinitsina/Katsalapov and Chock/Bates. I am fans of both of those teams, but It's just something I've noticed. Are there any other teams you've noticed doing this? I'd be interested to know others. @@evanperilstein5308
sue cavanaugh Chock/Bates? In which of their programs has their style even remotely resembled P/C?
their free dance this year was not that great and certainly was overscored
you saw them live?
@@evanperilstein5308 Nobody copied their FD this year...lol