Transgender and the Gospel: A Conversation with Heather Skriba
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2020
- Heather Skriba has experienced #genderdysphoria most of her life and transitioned from female to male a few years ago. But after encountering Jesus, she heard God telling her that she was "daddy's girl" and that God desired her to live as the female He created her to be. Filled with compassion, truth, and authenticity, Heather Skriba helps us understand her transgender experience, gender dysphoria, and what role the church can play in helping people who are wrestling with their gender identity and sexuality.
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1 Corinthians 14:33 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for this. I don’t struggle with my gender or sexuality at all but what you’re saying has made me realise that I struggle with my identity as a single person , and it’s been a bit source of self loathing and bitterness towards God.
Girl... same.
Thank you, Preston, for introducing us to Heather. Thank you, Heather, for sharing your life experience and wisdom. What an incredible life and testament to God’s faithfulness.
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Totally agree. Heather's wisdom and surrender is incredible.
Wow! Great information! Thank you Heather (and Preston). I pray for my trans (daughter to son) to find peace and that that will include a return to God, who loves him very much!
As a disciple of Yeshua the Messiah, I have both friends and business associates who have adopted identities and lifestyles that are oppositional to Scripture and it doesn't matter to me because I love everyone who crosses my path. At the same time, it is my experience and observation that the only way to truly know who and what I am is to know the One who knew me from the foundation of the world and brought me into existence. My role in this world is to image the love of the Father into every person that ends up in front of me. If and when someone repents, receives Yeshua the Messiah and is filled with God's spirit then transformation occurs. I have watched hard-core dangerous sociopaths with warped and demonic sexual inclinations become whole, healed and transformed people who live out the will of God. Religion doesn't transform anyone into righteousness but a real relationship with Yahweh based on repentance and receiving Yeshua will.
Hallelujah
I've been studying more about LGBTQ and the church. I realize God has been growing me in this area on how to reach out and love better. Thank you for this interview.
I am not a big fan of the politics of it all...I do not like how corporations, politicians, activists, and others exploit people...
But! I had seen a theory recently that people being born gay/lesbian, or transgender/other divergent varieties...May have evolved to do so...Think about it. We are social animals...they say the more kids a woman has/if the food/environment isn't thriving, that mothers will be more likely to give birth to gay kids.
Now imagine if times are hard. That the eldest aunt/uncle had a few kids. And something happened to them. You have the non child bearing gay uncle/aunt to take care of the kids. If you think about it. For the larger family clan/unit, it is very beneficial for "godparents," without children of their own, to exist in the family.
That has always been the argument. "It is not natural to not have children. Even evolution wouldn't do it, because evolution is all about the survival of your genes."
Think about that part too...if you help raise nieces/nephews...they technically have a chunk of your "genes."
But yeh it was just some random theory I had heard. But I do think the general idea makes a bit of sense.
Another thing I hate. BOTH the anti gay, and pro LGBTq groups..MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SCIENTIFICALLY valid experiments.
Like with the current INSANE EXPONENTIAL increase in trans individuals.
@@claudeyazwell, so many queer people died in the 80s because there was no treatment for HIV. If there was many more of them would probably still be alive today
As someone who has gender dysphoria, a lot of the experiences Heather describes were familiar to me, such as the feeling of tension of hiding who I am. It would be nice to see a part 2 to see where she is now.
Thank you. I have a son who identifies female and I am always trying to learn and understand as a Christian, a mother and keep relationship. Your testimony is encouraging and helpful.
How are you doing 😊😊👋
the first step is not call someone who identifies as female, "son"
@@andromedasmoons3647well if it's her son, it's a son. No matter what they think they are
@@MsRakelita86that is disrespectful and all about you not them.
I also love how you said that even if it is only the 1%- that's who Jesus left the flock that was safe to go and find. the church needs to have the same heart.
So beautiful...she is God's beautiful daughter. What a moving story and needs to be shared. So many with gender dysphoria have scars and hurts. Jesus has made her whole like only He can
Wow Heather. You are so articulate! Thank you so much for your honesty and vulnerability. It is so helpful to have these conversations available. I've been wanting to engage in conversations about these issues and really appreciate your advice and perspective
This has been an amazing interview. Thank you Heather very much for your openness about your childhood and life. My heart broke while you spoke of the pain you suffered as a child. I can't imagine how difficult these journeys are for people with similar struggles. I think it's so important for us all as believers to have open hearts and to welcome LGBTQ people. We all need salvation and to know the love of God. It's the most important part of our existence and I hope you are experiencing grace, love and peace within the body of Christ. ❤
This video was hugely eye-opening!!! Thank you for sharing your story and encouraging people who are dealing with these types of questions!
So good!! Thank you Preston and Heather! Loved this conversation and I'm impacted. Boom. Thank you God for people like you two and these conversations that help open our eyes to how God sees and loves people. Thanks dude.
I wonder if you could share the name of the ministry that Heather references (around minute 32) when she says that their explanation of the core desires of a woman resonated with her. I would love to be introduced to that ministry or that work if possible. Thank you.
Heather, you are so well spoken and explain your experience so well. Thank you for sharing and for the practical advice for parents and churches.
Thank you Preston and Heather for sharing this insight into Heather’s journey. This touched me so deeply. To hear Heather’s story is very eye opening in many ways. May Jesus continue to bless you both and direct your paths. ❤️
I think Preston has a good heart (definitely doing God's work) and I am thankful Heather shared her story. Nevertheless, my concern from the comments posted is that many parents will take away from this interview that Heather's journey from Jamie and back to Heather is what God wants to happen with all transgender individuals and that their child's journey will or should end up the same as Heather's if they just keep the Faith. There are so many transgender people who are the subject of unspeakable violence and others who end their life in suicide because we as Christians do not accept the fact that they too are made in God's image and nothing is wrong with them as a transgender person. I would be interested to know after Heather's journey, does she still have same sex attraction? I am guessing the answer is yes because despite her love and devotion to God, her same sex attraction -just like her being transgender -is who she is. God loves her and she -is made in His image regardless of whether she identifies as Heather or Jaimie.
God makes no mistakes with someone's sex. Saying God loves you and you are still made in his image is all true but we still cant deny what the Bible teaches. It is not scriptural to live as the opposite sex nor to have same sex relations. You can love someone and still speak the truth.
@@bobwilliams4895 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.- Isaiah 56:3-5
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. - Matthew 19:12
Sorry but it is YOU who deny Gods word. Read your bible next time
@@adenjones1802 Explain what a biblical eunuch is and how this contradicts what I said.
Thank you both for an engaging conversation. Please follow-up. What’s the next chapter? How is she doing? How is her family dynamic? Is she planning on reversing any of the initial hormones or surgeries? What has God been saying? Has she considered speaking engagements? Where God has taken Heather from here? ❤️🙏
Thank you Heather for sharing your experience! Thank you Preston for highlighting that Heather's experience is Heather's experience. A story can be told without it being descriptive or proscriptive for everyone who shares one piece of their experience.
She said, "I realised that it wasn't just like a hatred of my gender and a discomfort in my gender that I was processing through, it was a discomfort in who I was as a person. It wasn't jus like I don't like being a woman...It was like I don't like being me."....So Key.
She would make an excellent counselor--the way she describes her feelings in tangible ways.
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Thank you for sharing your story Heather, it was really helpful. Thank you Preston for these interviews and for your work.
As a devastated mom looking for answers, your story really helped me understand that there is hope for my daughter. Thank you. Just wondering, Heather spoke about overcoming her gender dysphoria, but didn't talk about same sex attraction....where does she stand on this issue?
please accept that your child is trans
Wow, lots of grace in this discussion, thank you both.
This was such an awesome interview. Great discussion. Heather's perspective is so helpful and she is so articulate. Thanks for sharing your heart with us.
This is so good! This is the conversation I needed to hear. Now I feel better equipped. Thank you Heather and Preston! Love and hugs Heather!
I'm so glad you opened up about this, Heather! Although I don't struggle with gender identity, I found myself relating to a lot of what you said about needing to have value and that little girl that needed to be loved. I really connected in a deep way. The way your church made you a priority over other church members and how God will leave the 99 to go after 1 made me emotional at the core.
Dang Preston, what’s you lifting regiment?
Gender dysphoria is such a deep, personal issue that I think the Church is afraid and ill-equipped to help others deal with it. Not unlike mental health issues. God, help us know how to help these precious people.
Such a great conversation! Thank you Preston and Heather. I appreciate the transparency and grace.
How are you doing 😊😊👋
Thank you. It is helpful to have an idea where to start with anyone from the LGBTQ community. Profound, What is your experience?, and yet it is basic caring without judging. Thank you so much for sharing. May God continue to bless you.
THIS makes days of scrolling for good content all worth it. Thanks, both! God bless you big time.
Why did you not discuss her change back to being a Woman and what brought that about. It was a small comment in passing! What did Jesus do in her life to bring that about? Does she still struggle with her gender? So many important questions you left out!
Thank you, Heather & Preston for this conversation. 💕
40:08 - Seriously! This has been an issue for a long time. Thanks for the entire interview.
Thank you so much for sharing your story and displaying God's powerful, persistent love❤
He is the One who makes us whole🙌💕
Thank you Preston for sharing this interview. Heather thank you for sharing your story!
Thanks for tackling and not wincing from the difficult issues of present-day Christendom. Yes, my first impression of her was as a daughter of God, so I wasn't shocked when I read the description.
P.S. I’ve been watching lots of vids about the LGBT community recently and this was so eye opening. I almost cried with joy when you said about that ‘welcome to the family’ church ⛪️😭.
How are you doing 😊☺️😊
Listening and asking questions is good advice for relating in godliness to anyone. It is nothing more than trusting God and really believing that through the Holy Spirit he has been mending and is mending still. Look at how God revealed the real problem of hating herself, not just her gender. He didn’t rush in and stop the surgery but allowed her to discover for herself that she was on the wrong track.
I think of how Jesus foretold that Peter would deny him but didn’t try to stop him. Jesus wasn’t giving up on him, but he was confident in his own work in Peter to get him over this hurdle and deepen his spiritual growth. Thank you both for this enlightening discussion.
Beautiful! I have a question. Earlier in Heather's story she shares about the impact of her parents and their parenting and examples (negative) - later she tells parents to let off the pressure that it is their fault. Which is it? I hear this from parents as well. Can it be the fault of the parent? Or, as Heather said, that is her experience, but not that of others. How impactful are the parents here? Thanks for some direction.
Do you think it could be both? In my experience, I have received wounds from my parents, and those have contributed to my struggles with self-image and identity. However, I would not want my parents to blame themselves for that bc 1. My journey is MY journey and I need to accept responsibility for my thoughts and beliefs about myself and 2. It isn’t helpful for my parents to blame themselves. Yes, we can discuss my wounds and they can apologize for hurting me, but ultimately the healing comes when I start believing truth, not when they blame themselves.
What do you think??
@@aleece4 Yes - both. I am with you. In the end though, no matter fault (and I think we focus in there way too much at times - blame) After the fact - it is now on that person to bear the weight of it and learn to deal with it. This becomes SO HARD. This is a difficult journey - especially alone. We must also be careful whom we invite into that journey. Do we want people in our life that tell us what THEY think we want to hear - or people that challenge us to be better than we can even see for ourselves. Another tough one. Great thoughts. Blessings to you aleece4.
Thanks Preston and Heather... super helpful conversation!!
That conversation was so enlightening and I loved her story.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing and educating me.
love it; thanks Heather and Preston!
I think that was great for that church to be open to welcome you into their fellowship, we that family of believers reflecting Gods love.
i have not found a video talking about being trans thats less than 40 minutes long i am trans but im still not sure what to do
Repent and Believe in the One God has sent…Jesus Christ
You are so loved by God! You are precious in His sight, he knows the number of hairs on your head, he knew you before you were even born! Your life was not an accident of chance but predestined by God, for God. God wants to you to discover who He created you to be. You are loved. You matter.
So repent and turn back so as to have your sins wiped out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Acts 3:19
This means stop what you doing. Hate what is bad. Lovers of God hate what is bad. That means you hate what he hates.
Hey i don't know if you will see this but i'm sorry about the other replies you got... they don't seem very helpful or caring at all. I hope they didn't cause anything bad. I would say that if you are really looking for answers you are going to have to commit to the 40 minute videos and really dive in deep and figure out those things, it might take a long time and that's perfectly ok. Preston has a lot of amazing books and videos and I encourage you to look into those; they are incredibly articulate and helpful and even freeing. Good luck!
I would suggest if you are in school joining some lgbtq clubs and if adults adult age then maybe try some hang out spots and just chat with folks and see others experiences. Videos on UA-cam and tiktok are also great
This was great, lotta respect and loved in this discussion, Heather not only is your heart shown to be beautiful as you seek Gods purpose for your life , for what it’s worth your also very pretty
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This was fantastic!! Courage meets eloquence!!
PRAISE THE BLESSER for revealing truth to Heather. Prayers for so many❤🙏
The blesser???? Seriously???
Thanks for sharing amazing testimony. I hope to see more churches love the way Heather’s did. Heather mentioned that having bathrooms open to men that identify with being a woman is wrong to disallow this. She mentioned that criminals/pedophiles are going to do what they’re going to do even if they were not allowed in the bathrooms/ locker rooms/ dressing etc. I don’t believe it would be the same if they didn’t allow this. it’s kind of like you have your door of your house locked versus unlocked, there would be more people that would come in if they know it’s easier access. There are those few that are taking advantage of the easy opportunity. This should always be a safe place for women, and it is not with these policies coming into place. Biological boys should not be allowed to go into girls locker rooms, girls bathrooms. Unfortunately, it’s that small number of criminals/pedophiles that are taking advantage of this not the main majority of trans that are just trying to live their life.
I have been watching channels dealing with trans issues for abt two years now. I want to understand why the US and UK (possibly some other Western countries) are experiencing so much hate and division, and are adopting legislation making it possible to criminalize free speach, to drastically infringe women's rights and to demolish milennia old cultural values. Since we, in the East, were always looking up to the West, this is something very difficult to understand: the West taking down the West!! As I see it, so far, the problems (psychological) of a tiny tiny tiny portion of the population are transferred to the whole nation who has to feel guilty for their problems in perpetuity. And pay (literally) for it. I am astonished of how much hate is coming from, generally trans quarters, and filling the social media. I am also astonished by how treatments not FDA approved are given to children and still growing young people, thus making them subjects of dangerous experiments. I feel like I am watching a medical horror movie, such as "Coma"-1978....I do hope and pray that you find your way back to social peace and balance. In times of impending wars (Russia has made its first move), we need the West to be whole and healthy !!!
Isaiah 54 KJV
Isaiah 56: 1-8 KJV
Matthew 19: 11, 12 KJV
Act 8: 26-40 KJV
Eight historical transliterated Hebrew biological sex designations with terse definitions:
Zachar, male.
Nekevah, female.
Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.
I have listed some of the scriptures where eunuchs (intersex and barren individuals) are blessed and defined and baptized from our Father in Heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Why should we not be angry that multitudes ignore scripture and discriminate against us and even legislate against us?
@@dlynnwilliams4109 I would welcome the usage of such names as aylonit hamah and aylonit adam. But do not use “woman” and “man” when describing something else…..Also find a different name when talking of a union between such persons. But do not use the world “family”. It would clarify things for everybody and , maybe, end such waves of hate and revenge.
Thank you Preston and Heather. I really appreciate this conversation and especially Heather’s openness.😊
How are you doing 😊😊👋
Will your voice change?
There needs to be MANY More people like Preston Sprinkle in Leadership positions in churches and Christians in general, to LISTEN to folks with this sin struggle and Identity issues, we could win SO MANY More people to JESUS, if that were the case!!!
Why do you call this (being transgender) a sin and what is your Biblical support for such a statement? Even Preston acknowledges that God created people who are Intersex (some identify as Transgender but not all). If God made all in His image, wouldn't this include those who are Intersex ? What if the person is an individual born Intersex in the 1970's who the physicians mutilated and tried to make one gender with surgery and those person is the other? what if the individual has XXY chromosomes or chromosomes other than XX or XY. I think it non-Biblical for you to assume this is "sin."
Thank you!
Your video came up in my feed so I watched it. I'm truly happy for her that she has peace. However, I did notice a couple of things. She didnt speak once of repentance & the importance of it. Also, she said God spoke to her. I'm interested to know what she has garnered from scripture other than leaving the 99 for the 1, which is taken out of context.
What a great interview!
Thank you a great deal for an open and honest conversation. I took many things to heart that I will be practicing in my ministry and in my walk with God with having a bigger heart for people who have a different experience than me. I had tears when Heather was talking about wanting to be loved and as a brother in Christ I love you a whole bunch and am looking forward to worshiping in the kingdom together! Also, fearless and searching moral inventories are the best! Once again thank you both for helping me to learn and understand.
I appreciate Heather's candidness and I found her very likable. With that said, I didn't think the interview always pointed toward truth. A transexual/homosexual person doesn't have a place in the church, teaching children, etc... until those behaviors are behind them ("as you once were" Cor 6:11). The church doesn't exist to affirm you where you are at, or cater to football/knitting preferences...it exists to lead you to Christ who died on the cross for the sins of His people. If you want to come to church as an unbeliever, that's different, but if you claim Christ and participate in sexual sins, Christians are instructed not to associate with you (1 Cor 5:11). Overall this video seemed like a combination of Christian and worldly beliefs.
3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.- Isaiah 56:3-5
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. - Matthew 19:12
Looks like God is not concerned with your preference of teaches. Maybe if you are being lead by Christ you will abandon these false teachings you hold
OMG. We really are in the last days
Wow, what an awesome conversation! Thank you so much. You are such a breath of fresh air, Heather💜
This is great!
Wow, REALLY enjoyed listening to this share and when you all were talking about how God is just so confident in who He is- He's not afraid of our doubts...I remembered one time when I was going through such a rocky time in my faith- I had a million questions and doubts (maybe not that many) and I remember I was on a trip in South Africa and I was standing looking out over these hills and I felt that God said to me, "I am a living God." That's it. He didn't answer all of my questions but that is what my heart needed to hear at that moment. He knows what we're searching for- He knows how to find us even when we don't know how to find Him and I just want to pray for everyone and anyone who has reached out to Him and felt He was far away- the Bible says He is "not far from any of us" (Acts 17:27) and we also have an enemy who throws everything at us that He can but the Bible promises if we seek Him with all of our hearts, we will find Him. If you're still alive, you still have some heart left to seek Him and He still has a plan for you! Jeremiah 29:11-13
God loved her through it all. He let her make her choices b/c He loves. He wooed her the whole time.
She needs to write a book for parents, giving a list of questions to ask our children who might have struggles like her.
I don't understand it the whole video seemed to be how this woman felt what the church could do for her everything was truly about her. I believe that is idol worship at his worst form. I truly hope that she comes out whole through all this process and learns to give of herself to others rather than looking at how she feels about everything.
I'm only 1 minute in and this interview isn't good to go.. I lost it when she said the Ruach HaKodesh was like a woman... No.. Just no... That was borderline blasphemy and blaspheming the Holy Spirit is one of those unforgivable sins. She should really be careful and I pray for her..
God doesn't make mistakes. We were created perfectly by him. Sin has corrupted his perfect creation. Taking scripture out of context to dismiss Sin and fleshly desire is to reject God truth. We die to self and surrender to his will for our life. Not embrace our own will and manipulate his word. This is sad to see.
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Indeed. However, we should pray for this person. They atleast admitted the role of Yeshua. If she meant it in her heart, she is almost there. We have to pray and let the Ruach HaKodesh work within her.
@@thecrucible2353 absolutely, I certainly should put more emphasis on that. Jesus is available to everyone. We are all sinners saved by grace thorough faith in Jesus. I do hope and pray that this person is willing to surrender to God's will for his life. Thank you for helping me remember there is so much power in prayer and no one is outside of his supernatural ability to redeem and restore.
@@thecrucible2353 yes, I understand your perspective. We need to be very careful with our words and make sure we don't turn God into something he isnt. People can express their feelings all they want but if it doesn't line up with scripture, then it's wrong and we rebuke it. I was reminded to pray for this person and I think that's the best take away from thia.
I decided to post this as its own comment instead of as a response elsewhere on this page to a transgender woman that commented on her strong desire and presumed right to use women's regrooms instead of the gender neutral. I decided not to post it as a response to her because I have been very well trained by a transgender loved one in my life to lie for my loved ones benefit, gaslight myself for my loved ones benefit, and just roll over and take it for my loved ones benefit. And I'm finding that no matter what my loved one or other transgender identifying people do to me and other women, I am unable to break this conditioning.
"But you give no care at all to the terror many women go through in finding a male person in the restroom when we went in alone and then a male person decides to violate a space that is created specifically for women's privacy from men. And the terror you put many women through and the very real danger you put many women in by normalizing male people having free access to spaces that were literally created for the safety and privacy of women.
I am truly sorry for your suffering. I have a very dear loved one who identifies as transgender. And like you, could not care less about the women he so freely violates.
I truly believe all people have equal value and are equally deserving of love and care. I just don't understand the extreme arrogance and selfishness of this ideology that leads male people to say they know what it feels like to be a woman. I actually am a woman and I would not even make such an arrogant claim as to claim to know what any other woman feels. A woman is not a feeling anyway. It's just a biological category based on the reproductive binary.
And then to determine that they suffer more than women, which is again claiming to know what every woman feels. To claim that they are far more upset over using a gender neutral restroom than a woman who has been sexually abused by men throughout childhood and adolescence, or who is a rape survivor feels when she goes into a restroom alone and then a man comes into this secluded closed off space. As if you know what I'm feeling in that terrifying moment so you can compare and deem yourself as having far, far more value than a woman.
To determine that your routine violation of women is justified because you claim as a man to know better than I do what it 'feels like' to be a woman. And to determine that the comfort you are only capable of finding by routinely violating women this way is justified because you claim to know what I feel and therefore it's up to you to decide that it's far more important for you to violate me than for me to have access to a women's only restroom. And changing room. And locker room. And sleeping quarters in a shelter, dormitory or other facility.
It's the deep, deep selfishness, arrogance and apparent hatred of women that flows from this movement and ideology that has finally gotten to me. And it comes from both sides. Men that identify as transgender women do this to women and violate our right to even the most minimal of boundaries. Women that identify as transgender men and make themselves appear to be men also do this same thing to women. Claiming they are the ones that know what the rest of us feel, and therefore determining their wants to be far, far more important than our actual needs.
So whichever direction a person transgenders from and to, this has become a 100% hateful, anti-woman, arrogant and extremely selfish social and civil movement.
And it does not have to be. Transgender identifying people have chosen to make it be so. All because they don't want to use gender neutral spaces and they claim to have supreme knowledge and rights to absolutely annihilate women's safety, boundaries, rights, and any semblance of mental wellbeing.
You don't want to be treated equally. That would involve actually using gender neutral spaces and allowing both men and women to have the same safety, and mental and emotional wellbeing you want (and you deserve) by being allowed to keep single sex spaces single sex. Based on sex, not on a feeling of identity."
A believer in Christ doesn’t make them saved from sin. We DESERVE nothing. How we feel matters not. Actually, when Christ transforms our hearts it changes our desires to be strictly for Him and purpose. Remember, we are sheep with a Shepherd so we use His word as authority not our feelings! I mean literally our lives here on earth matters not except to do whatever to bring others to Him and use your gift only for the common good. Literally personal desire is last. Worldly comfort is meaningless. Inner comfort is everything, but not through our desires, through the Spirit!
Our confidence should ONLY be in Him. Our hearts are deceitful from youth. The only thing helpful about this dialogue is highlighting the true need for the gospel...for these confused transgender/homosexuals that read their views into Scripture. This taints the word of God, also we are to judge. Read Matthew 7 in context and please don’t stop after verse 1. Those that don’t want to be judged by other believers worry about the wrong thing. WE NEED TO BE CHECKED. That’s why we gather...to avoid being led astray like this. Western “Christianity” is unfortunately taking a turn.
Please repent. Don’t be so open minded! Close our minds to the gospel, Christ is God incarnate, died for our sin as the penalty BECAUSE WE ARE ALL HEADED TO BE DESTROYED WITHOUT HIM, and he raised from the dead to bring us all the way to victory!
This person leads some to believe that if “doors” open that God approves!?!? 🤦🏻♂️ No, but God will give you over to a debased mind. Repent from this! It’s not about a place to belong! Looking for a place not to suffer and not to feel shame that sounds like conforming to the world.
Repent!!!
Many roads leads to destruction ....narrow is the way the to true salvation. Sorry your on the wrong road
Praying your will find the way back
Thanks for your awareness. The beginning of wisdom is fear of the Lord. Pursuing our sinful fleshly desires and embracing world views and practices is to reject God and his perfect creation. God doesn't change. His thoughts and his ways are higher than ours. Our emotions will lead us atray so we must depend on his word and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Study Gods word, apply it to your life. If you love him, you'll keep his commands.
@@jimrolzitto9664 huh?
Sir you are preaching a different Gospel. All those who believe have their sins paid for have their confidence in their saviour not in themselves. They need not be perfect. You are speaking heresy of the highest order. You are an anathema 1:8 Galatians 1:8. All believers in Christ who trust in his righteousness and not our own are saved. It seems you trust your own righteousness and will not be saved if that is the case.
reminds me of women having children my friends were all having children I wasn’t at some point we separated more because our pursuits were different. Am i less a woman because I did not have children? I am not . I dont hate children i did daycare. I get that all women dont want ro go to tea some want spirts too. I am so glad for you I figure in all this LGBTQ and my own struggles in life that i had to face God and see his love that he really loves me perfect imperfection. We grow up in many traumas of not fitting in the mold others tell us we are supposed to be. But God doesnt lie. We do have to heal it is mighty scary. I love people where they are at in life and so trust if they talk to God they will hear from him whatever that is. I had a ballet teacher that felt like telling us why he was gay once . He said his mother had forced him to have sex with her a a child and now the thought of a vagina sickens him him . Trauma it makes sense a person would feel this way . I met a man that was transition in the early nineties he said its too hard being a man for me i am short bald etc. but he was going to be a lesbian. I was like I hope yoy find toyr peace but that answer sounded luke a cop out . But at the same time I understood why he could feel this way . He wanted hair extensions could be very fit felt he could be a happier prettier woman, than a short ugly man. But he wanted to just jump one day going into women’s dressing room with male anatomy without discussing it first to the gym . It does take understanding and talking to get to a place of peace. That will make like what you have done in life with the ann arbor church and this video more understandable and gives many people knowledge of what a person is gong through.
my prayer is that we see all people as God see us with love.
This may be just informative or redundant but it is critical to me. This describes my nearly seven decades of striving with gender dysphoria and my current conclusions. I am so ashamed that it's taken so long to reach these decisions, but this is part of my current identity foundation from which to proceed. Of course, you can assess this as you will.
Eight historical transliterated Hebrew biological sex designations with terse definitions:
Zachar, male.
Nekevah, female.
Androgynos, having both male and female characteristics.
Tumtum, lacking sexual characteristics.
Aylonit hamah, identified female at birth but later naturally developing male characteristics.
Aylonit adam, identified female at birth but later developing male characteristics through human intervention.
Saris hamah, identified male at birth but later naturally developing female characteristics.
Saris adam, identified male at birth and later developing female characteristics through human intervention.
Sex Difference in Christian Theology: Male, Female, and Intersex in the Image of God
by Megan K. DeFranza
This book is a wonderful, merciful, rigorous theological discussion of biological sex and the introductory video is listed here:
ua-cam.com/video/331smwhg0gM/v-deo.html
Please forgive me if this story is considered inappropriate within this context? Whether anyone considers themselves christian or not, may I please include some extra nuance to your conversation? I have no intention of attempting any kind of evangelization in my contribution, I would however like to supply some extra dimension to the discourse. To advance some concepts I would like to present some quotes.
First:
Isa 56:4-5 KJV 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Second:
Mat 19:11-12 KJV 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Third:
Act 8:26-40 KJV (The baptism of the eunuch which I consider too long to be quoted here but far from inconsequential.)
I would love to note first that the term eunuch in these quotes seems to be defined by the Lord Jesus himself to include intersex individuals (eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb). Unwilling (some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men) and willing individuals (eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs) appear similarly defined.
May I also note the quote (unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters). I am aware that original Hebrew literally is translated "a hand and a name" greater than of sons and of daughters. I am, however, quite intrigued by the implications that eunuchs are given recognition separate from sons and from daughters.
I consider myself to be trans (eunuch, saris adam, barren (Isa 54:1-17)). I am not exactly a son and not exactly a daughter. I have a woefully masculine face and physique but I am definitely not a son (AMAB MTF post SRS (GRS)). Therefore I do not fit in sons' spaces or daughters' spaces.
I have immersed myself in the historical, philosophical, psychological, political and theological literature and media for a significant portion of seven decades and conclude that I am physically, politically, perceptually and theologically non-binary. Psychologically, I have identified as female since the age of two or three but diligent discipline discouraged any hint or discussion of my feminine identity or behavior. My ideal puberty would have included hormone blockers until a legally acceptable age to begin HRT and GRS (SRS) and then as nearly normal womanhood as attainable.
In actuality, the diligent discipline has induced my voluntary celibacy and perception that I have been insidiously gaslighted and have a subtle incidence of complex traumatic stress disorder by the dismissing, ignoring, denying and suppressing of my gender identity. I am just one of my peers who is the quarry for metaphorical, euphemistic and literal physical erasure. My concern is not just psychological, health or culture. This is the challenge and analysis of my right to true Judeo-Christian observance and Judeo-Christian expression and Judeo-Christian faith.
I hope my comments and the quotes are discovered to be beneficial. I pray that nothing is found to be triggering because my intent was to be somehow loving, compassionate and empathetic to each and everyone. If you have deigned to read this entire comment, thank you much!
AMEN!
(SEEK THE TRUTH,AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE)
I didn't hear any gospel....I heard pro-trans...pro LGBTQ+
I agree and that is the larger problem with the picking on sins false salvation, instead of the simple gospel of believe in what Christ did for us and receiving eternal life as a free gift, without any works or promises, or exchanges. At one point she/he said that they gave their life to Christ. Hum, that is not salvation that is some kind of discipleship action. Christ gave his life for us. On Preston's web site they have the repent of sins to be saved false salvation. People don't reason this out if you have to repent of sins, that means turn from sins, stop sinning to be saved. Then how many, which ones, all of them. By their own doctrine anyone who is not sinless is going to hell, and they have to stop sinning to get saved for heaven. This makes this whole interview a false hood or a proof that they are woke and they really have no grounds for their faith at all since they can change any of it. Sorry, get the right gospel that anyone can believe and receive and you won't have to slip and slide around your false salvation teaching, and now we can move one to what do you do with people that have any obvious sin habits or problems in the church..
There was alot of just accept yourself for who you are. If one truly repents and believes the gospel the Holy Spirit will indwell within them making them more holy and changing thier life as time goes by. The Bible says they will be a new creature. Not perfect, but a new creature. I have seen people who have repented and there was dramatic change in their life. If you are the same person after you got "saved" then one should question if they were truly saved. If they justify sins and a lifestyle then it was more than likely a false conversion.
@@Ver-mh3kf agree. Too many so called Christians are trying to reinvent God in a manner which will excuse sinful behavior. We dont get to change God, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. It is he who changes us.
Yup. I didn't hear anything about the gospel. Just personal experience. Which isn't about the gospel. The gospel is a RESPONSE to our personal experience. It is not an affirmation of our experience. The natural man is an enemy to god forever. That's what it says.
I'm with y'all.
If I was her pastor I would start with Romans 12:2.
women would love not to have to worry about bathrooms. but given that men are invading women's spaces all over the place, and we hate it, I think Heather needs to revise her thinking.
she heard God telling her that she was "daddy's girl" and that God desired her to live. THAT IS VERY TRUE, JUST WATCH OUT FOR RELIGION IN GENERAL, I AM A SPIRITUAL PESON AND I BELIEVE IN GOD AND JESUS AND BUDDHA BUT NOT IN RELIGION ...
At 37:37 Heather says that parents should not be so hard on themselves but it seems like in her case, much of her self-hatred was directly a result of her parents’ words/behavior.
I hope there's a good population of transgenders in Heaven cos I like your company! Maybe God does too.
You say people should not focus on a solution, but focus on your experience
Read Jeremiah 17:9
When Jesus administered to people, they walked away changed, no him. This guy is lost.
How does one speak about a topic pertaining to God and his creation without God's word? Isn't that ignoring what God's word says and trying to conform to the ways of the world?
But doesn't God's word say in Romans 12:2
"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."
Again how can this be established if one is seeking for God but never seeing what God has already spoken?
#solascriptura
Give it a break Preston. Ultimately he believes the LGBTQ are living in sin instead of learning why most scholars/theologians are affirming. These conversations are his foot in the door. He acts like he's listening, but he will always be unmovable in his orthodoxy. Like Andrew Marin he's buds with, he's just another phony who puts a lot of sugar on the same toxic message.
Cane chose his offering to God based on his lifestyle choices and unlike able who followed gods plan.. I'm stovking with able and letting the Bible dictate my lifestyle rather than trying to do like the chaldees and create God in the image of human selfish wants and needs or to interpret it to fit human lifestyle.
Assigning female qualities to the Holy Spirit is terribly wrong. God is a being who is defined as totally "other" There is no one like Him. He is revealed as "I AM WHO AM" when Moses asked who shall I tell Pharaoh who sent me?
The Bible has all one needs for life and godliness.
God has shared His mind with any true believer in Christ.
God also revealed his character qualities to Moses in Exodus 34, some of the qualities that he revealed had very definite feminine characteristics. If God is totally other, why can we assign masculine qualities to Him? Not to say that I don’t agree- yes, obviously He’s holy and completely separate from us, but he has stooped to our level and by His great grace relates to us on our terms sometimes! How awesome is that? The God of the universe comforts us with love like a mother. Actually, a mother’s love is just a picture of how God really loves and comforts us. Just some thoughts.
@@micahwatson7091 No. Scripture uses the masculine pronouns...He, Him. Never the female.
Jesus is the God/man.
Look into the the Bible and see for yourself.
@@hannahdenny6302 actually, proverbs 8 refers to God’s wisdom, who was a part of his creative work is making the world as a “woman”, look it up
@@hannahdenny6302 Actually that’s incorrect - the original Greek word for Spirit ‘autos’ which is translated into your English Bible as he or it is actually more correctly he/it/or she (see romans 8:16 for an example of when autos is used to refer to the Spirit). The word Greek word ‘pneuma’ is gender neutral (neither female or male) , & the Hebrew word for spirit ‘ruach’ is actually feminine (gen 2: 7).
Nowhere in the scripture is God described as a female. Israel is even called his wife. A female.
Jesus even said God created them male and female. Not male and female then other.
Being misgendered and people using my dead name was a knife into my heart, it hurt a lot. Then being told I had to use the unisex toilet and not the women's made me feel like a freak.
I'm sorry you went through that
I appreciate this conversation but I have to disagree with Heather on the bathroom issue. I have heard a couple of situations that have occurred where a grown man identifying as a woman has gone into the public restroom and caused issues because of their desires. I know this isn't the case all the time but it is a thing that happens.
Lol and guess what? When men do this it's not their proper bathroom. It's not transwomen causing problems it's heterosexual cis gendered men. Get the facts right if your going to try to use them to other and diminish people
Nothing divides like religion. It is the best tool to shut a person (child) down. It can claim your very right to a personal relationship with God. On the other hand, being angry with God is a clear sign that He matters to you, and nothing can stop a wanting heart.
There is "neither woman nor man (male nor female)" in Christ Jesus.* Nevertheless, let the will of God, who created us all, be done. *Galatians 3:28
So me being a man being Uncomfortable with this now im wrong
Jesus is God in human flesh. He knows what it feels like to be someone else trapped in a human body 👍 🙏🙏🙏
JESUS understands ALL! For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin. Heb. 4:15
What in the scriptures did Jesus say He was God in human form?
The heart is deceptive and I think Heather just deceived herself and blamed the Christian community. Simple but slippery
I'm not sure why you are doing this interview. The gospel is against everything this person's life represents.
Yeah. "How dare you even speak to someone that I vehemently hate?" Sounds super gospely. Good job.
Heather Skriba , You do NOT have the ability to read minds and determine that YOU are far more upset about using a gender neutral restroom than women are at now having men freely enter the women's restrooms and other women's facilities when we are there, often having entered this enclosed space alone or with our small children.
I have pity and sympathy for those who struggle with their sexuality or their gender or both. But I've become angered in recent years over the utter lack of respect flowing back to women, and even men, from the transgender identifying people.
If you want to be serious about making the world a better place for people that are going through this struggle, advocate for the addition of more gender neutral spaces - enough to actually completely fulfill the need. And advocate for those who are still struggling with this issue to consider how they treat others to respect us as fellow human beings instead of just so flippantly throwing women under the bus while demanding that we respect transgender people by gaslighting ourselves for you and politely annihilating our most basic boundaries and most basic human right to the most minimal of boundaries for physical safety and mental and emotional wellbeing.
You can't make it a war against women and those who are struggling with gender dysphoria and other identity issues and related issues and expect it to go well for anybody.
Let me put it this way. If transgender identifying people as a group are going to force me to choose sides - mine or theirs - do you honestly think I'm going to just roll over and self destruct for your benefit? Really? Look up what's happening to women in prison now that men are being given the opportunity to choose which prison they'd like to serve their time in. It's based on the same selfish, flippant, hateful logic you use regarding restrooms.
Christianity has nothing to do with compassion. It has to do with compliance. You WON'T be saved unless... (Fill in the blank). That's it. There is no exception in scripture and that is where the law is. Being nice to someone and allowing them to live has nothing to be exclusive to Christianity.
COMMON SENSE. U REALLY WANTS TO GO IN A MENS RESTROOM AND TRY TO USE THE STAND UP STALL ???????
REALLY.......U THAT ABSENT MINDED????
I'm glad that Heather was able to share her story in this way. As someone who ultimately disagrees with the view that transitioning is necessarily sinful, I like that Heather does not seek to universalise her story in order to force trans people to de-transition, though I do fear that some people might seek to use her story to do that in ways that both Heather and Preston probably don't agree with.
I do agree that the culture at large glorifies being LGBTQ+ more than it should. Whilst I do not believe that being in a same-sex marriage (please look at this issue from both sides before commenting) or transitioning are necessarily sinful, it can definitely be an idol. We should never, ever elevate transitioning or being in a relationship or marriage (either same- or opposite-sex) as our ultimate fulfilment. Doing so just sets us up for failure when it comes to life happiness because only Jesus can fill the God-shaped hole in each of our hearts.
I also think that more therapy needs to be done when it comes to trans people. As mentioned before, secular culture can sometimes (though not always) glorify being trans to the point of sometimes encouraging people to transition when they don't need to. I do not think that transitioning should ever be taken lightly (I mean, you would be annoyed if a doctor didn't bother to work out exactly what was wrong with you but just assumed and gave you the wrong treatment), especially when any kind of childhood abuse is in the picture too. Our parents' attitude towards us can really skew our views of ourselves (I was very fortunate when it came to parents) and I wholeheartedly agree with this article when applied to childhood sexual abuse or parents abusing their children in other ways: goodmenproject.com/featured-content/identity-in-a-fog-lbkr/
But really, I'm happy that, whatever it took, Heather was able to come to a place of happiness and peace in her own life. I just hope so much that her story is not used as a sacred weapon to force trans people into de-transitioning when they don't feel comfortable doing that.
I enjoyed the story because it did help me better understand the inner struggle that a person suffering from gender dysphoria goes through. So, thank you to Heather for having the courage to share.
My only contention is at the end when Preston asks the question (paraphrasing), “How would you like to see the church improve how it engages the transgender conversation, and what would it look like for the church to cultivate healthy spaces for people to work through their gender identity?”
What? Preston, the church isn’t about providing safe spaces for sin. None of us should desire to be in a place where we hear the things we want to hear, and are allowed to be who we want to be. The church is the body of Christ-an assembly of believers who are seeking to please the Father, do His will, lay down our pride and egos, cleanse our hearts and minds, practice righteousness, expose darkness, and not be conformed to this world but be transformed into the image of Christ.
Questions like that, and the advice Heather gave in response to it, may make us feel loving and kind and tolerant, but they will ultimately lead us away from the truth and from God’s will.
Heather advised that church leaders actively choose to defend LGBT individuals even if it means running off their straight members. That is completely misguided and carnal. Church leaders should not defend anything accept the word of God, the faith handed down from the apostles, the gospel of Jesus Christ, the truth it proclaims, and the flock they oversee from deception and false teachings. They should not ever tolerate or defend anyone who is unrepentant or sowing confusion and false doctrine.
“Put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regards to its lusts.”
- Romans 13:14
We should love all people by telling the the good news that Jesus Christ offers a new identity; a new creation; complete forgiveness; healing for brokenness; love, hope and power to change; peace, joy, mercy, and grace.
That's a she?
Homosexual and old time religion even before judaism hast to do this Genesis chapter 6 when the sons of God seen that the daughters of man warfare there is a lot on the subjectOf the sons of God check out Dr. Michael Heizer book on the unseen realm it’s more about angels and demons and In the war of good and evilgood luck may Jesus walk with you