Ep 5 Fretting and binding the neck - Making a Modern Multi-Scale Electro Acoustic Guitar
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Welcome to Crimson Guitars ua-cam.com/users/CrimsonC... and Ben’s home workshop where he is currently building the modern multi-scale NEBULA 2.0 Guitar. In this episode, Ben makes binding from off-cuts of the beautiful Burl Maple, joints the top and back, glues on the binding, and inserts the frets.
Who stole Ben's shooting board?
The original Nebula guitar featured here - • Burning Bridges and an... was so well received that it sold immediately...twice.
In this series, Ben will be building the new and improved Nebula 2.0 as a custom order. • Making a Modern Multi-... Different from the original, this guitar will be a multi-laminate neck, modern fanned fret, semi-hollow, electro-acoustic beauty. This series should be about 10-12(ish) episodes.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:13 Headstock wings
1:58 How to stop glue slippage
5:38 How to make a shooting board
7:52 Jointing the top and back
9:15 Fretboard binding from offcuts
11:46 Attaching the binding
13:05 Recap, Happy Birthday, and a cool sword...
14:30 Cleaning up the binding
18:33 Preparing for Fretting
24:49 Masking tape joint worked!
25:40 Conclusion
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Love the fact you’ve taught your son to enjoy making things and aren’t yelling at him to be quiet during filming.
what a great way to start a Saturday, sitting down to breakfast with a large mug of coffee, and the latest inspired insanity from Ben Crowe.
Ben Bailey
A good friend of mine and I used to get together every week and build guitars. He had been doing it for years and was teaching me the basics. Unfortunately I had to move away and our “garage guitar time” had to end. I’ve been lurking on the channel for about a year and haven’t posted much, but I really look forward to the videos when they come out. It reminds me of good times with my buddy. Thanks for all you guys do here!!
Blimey. Every time I watch I learn something new. I can see why it takes such a long long time to become a master luthier.
18:42 Never apologize for perfectly delivered Dad jokes!
Now you should definitely convince your son to start the Crimson Custom Swords channel! :)
Always a joy to watch you work Ben!
Nice to see someone using some beautiful maple for binding besides plastic.
Hooo-Ray!
Thank you :)
Thanks for the fret install tutorial. My first build was a fretless bass and the one I am currently building is a fanned fret. Installing frets is anxiety-inducing to me.
Pretty stripes!! When gluing things like this that I dont want to move, I have always drilled a small hole in an opposing angle and used bamboo skewers (the sort you buy for BBQs) to hold the pieces together. I find this especially useful on repair jobs to reinforce joints. Bamboo has massive strength across its fibres to prevent movement and you can always fill the drill hole with sawdust to make it practically invisible.
Ben, I really enjoy watching all of your videos - I learn so much and have a great time watching you share your skills with us "regular" folks. I especially like the face you make when something unexpected happens - it's kind of a "did anyone see that?" look.
I know the look.. it's the 'should I try and edit that out or is it a learning experience.. fine, whatever!' look.. :) B
Thanks Ben for keeping me engaged and sane during this weird year, and don’t underestimate the positive effect your videos have on people’s general well being. I wish you and your family a merry Christmas. Take Care. Mick 👍
Hey Mick, thank you for this, it really does help my own level of sanity to know that I am making a small difference to peoples lives. Have a great holiday period! B
this neck is getting better and better. Can't wait for the finished an oiled look of it!
Those knots or whatever as sound holes is absolutely prime
I agree! B
Ben i think you need to join up with Alec Steel ( he's back in the UK) to make a wood carving knife? You can make the handle... now that would be something the interwebs would love.
What a wonderful way to start the day....................coffee and Ben building. Your work is mesmerizing. Have a great day!.
Hey Ben, Just completed a 6 day course at Crimson. I had an awesome time and built a guitar which surpassed my expectations. Cant wait to see this build finished. Shame I didn't get to meet you but it is what it is at the moment.
I just love watching a master craftsman at work. Loving the build Ben as I love all you do. All the best from sunny Durban.
Somewhere out there Tamar from 3x3 customs is proud of you for noticing your glue up screw up, before it dried, and taking the time to fix it. You didn't even seem too salty about it.
The way she dealt with that was just amazing! I am not sure I would have been so relaxed about that mistake in her place.. B
Another great and nice job. Thanks a lot Ben. Have a Safe and Merry Christmas.
Quick tip: before using super glue, apply wax on the surfaces you don't want it to stick to. Then, you can easily peel the excess off these areas.
This works, and would save a bunch of time scraping etc.. still fiddly. I always worry about getting wax in places I don't want it tbh. B
Happy Holidays! to Ben, family and all the gang at Crimson, thanks for the wonderful videos, tips and tricks!
Loved the angels singing while choosing your hand plane.
I just adore a good plane, I really do. Thanks for watching! B
Only recently stumbled on your channel and love the education, exceptional video quality, and your sense of humor.
Great tip for stopping slippage in glue-ups. Kind of reminds me of building golf clubs. In that case you mix glass beads into the epoxy so that the shaft stays properly centered in the club head.
"Non-existent Pocket Money" would be a great band name.
I wake up, I turn on UA-cam, this greets me. It's a good day no matter what now.
To fill the gaps around the tangs when inserted into the fretboard why don't you mix fine Ebony sawdust with the glue to make a thick paste which you then squeeze into the slot?
It would make the neck more solid.
You could also try compressing some of the sawdust into the slots, applying AC glue then quickly knocking in the fret and spraying accelerator.
Use masking tape on the gaps between the frets to avoid having to clean off-should be easier to clean any glue off the frets themselves too.
Ben, man, your intros are usually one of the best parts of your vids... This one went like a bag of bricks falling down a staircase my limey dude...
Do I win a prize if I'm the first one to mention the where's Waldo subscribe sign on the bottom of your plane?
we're playing wit the format.. sorry to disappoint! B
Love ya Ben!
Can’t wait for the rest of this series!
I love watching you create these masterpieces Ben. And yes, make those holes in the top piece functional. Cheers!
Thanks! I will certainly try to! B
That Burl binding just leapt off the screen when you added the accelerator to then end binding on the neck. Gorgeous.
this is going to look amazing under finish, I can't wait! B
Ben, fast tip, if you plane both top pieces at the same time (clamp them in a vice) you don't need shooting board. A plane's blade is wide enough to make sure the pieces will be in the "same plane" and will fit together.
I've had mixed results with that method in the past, then again that was early on and I struggled to keep things square back then.. B
The guitar is coming along nicely... my vote goes to the sword though.
Mine too! B
You always inform instruct and entertain. Merry Christmas.
Thank you Clark, Merry Christmas to you too! B
Can't beat a bit of well seasoned timber Ben 😊
These videos always make my day. I love how clean that fretboard looks!
Thank you, me too. This is cooking up to be a goodun. B
It makes me VERY happy, Ben. =]
Happy holidays, Sir.
Same to you! B
Ooh Ben you absolutely brilliant creative evil genius. You gave me an awesome idea to use as binding. I have a lovely piece of 1.5cm thick bookmatched spalted apple wood for the top. It's very soft and spongy, but I'll soak it in epoxy resin and use some pieces of what's left for the binding. And with the walnut veneer under the binding and the burled walnut fretboard, I think that would look very nice on my multilaminate (tapered pieces of maple/walnut) neck.
Loved that sword with the copper wire!!!!!fantastic job tell your son!!!!!all the best for xmas and the new year!!
I just did, he is loving all the positive comments :) Thank you so much! Happy Christmas. B
I love this channel...
Every time i hear Ben say "Burn it" in the intro i imagine it's Bill Bailey from 'Black Books' saying "Bernard" and that sets me up with a smile for the rest of the video.
The sword is awesome! Great job, dude!
The holes in the top look fantastic. Already I can tell this is gonna be a gorgeous guitar. ( btw, the sword came out pretty sweet as well. Kudos to your son!) Allright, that's all the compliments I have at this time.
this series is a great way to spend time over the weekend :)
Glad you enjoy it, thanks for watching along. B
Coming along nicely. I just realized my next one-day project needs to be a shooting board to go with the Stanley #4 that I just refinished.
Shooting boards are so useful, almost up there with bench hooks in my mind.. B
Ha ha " always be learning". Love this build and the salt trick. Great work. Would love to see your factory one day.
If you are ever in the area you really should come for a tour.. let us know in advance but we are happy to show people around! B
Thanks Ben, I’m enjoying this series very much.
Glad to hear it, me too! B
All the details looking pretty elegant
Glad you think so, thank you for watching! B
I love it too! And the knot holes as sound holes!!
I really need t do that.. B
Love the salt trick. I've been on that one for years. It's my tape and super glue trick.
I suspect that with those two tricks in my toolbox I am going to be saving a significant portion of my life! B
I don’t comment a lot on content, but I wanted you to know your content is appreciated.
And I am very grateful for you taking the time to write it.. it does seriously affect the algorithm for one but, frankly, it makes me feel good about myself, so thank you! B
You should feel good about yourself. I know you’re always trying to outdo yourself but your work is honestly epic and should be more widely appreciated. Hoping to get one of tour blank kits soon. Thank you for the reply!
Don’t get me wrong, it’s one of the best guitar building channels on UA-cam right now! But let’s play a drinking game: every Right! Is one shot. Whenever Ben drops something kill a beer.
Keep it up! Loving your honest content!
cant wait to see the final result!!
That band saw-binding maneuver just about stopped my heart! Scary stuff!
yeah, dodgy as, I kind of wish I had done that another way tbh. B
Something I learned on my current build: trimming the neck/binding width to match the neck is MUCH easier before you glue the headstock wings, since you can use a plane to get everything perfect.
Yea... like the more in depth description and explanation of fretting... thanks ben !
What a beautiful fretboard!
Hi Ben
I thought this was a fanned fret build but they look parallel to me.
Long term viewer - fondly remember the days you were working out of your back garden shed - keep up the great work
Hey Neil, it is a slight multi-scale.. 629mm to 649 so from many angles it's not that obvious.. I'll do something more extreme next time maybe?
I'm really enjoying the new home workshop tbh, takes me back for sure! B
I'm watching during my lunch break at work, getting a deserved respite from the insanity of the grocery check out, the Saturday before Christmas. If I had realized that you didn't already know about the salt trick, I would have told you about it 2 years ago, Ben! Forgive me!
I have been on a checkout just pre Christmas, I know your pain! And don't worry, it is a trick that a few people have mentioned over the years, but I've never remembered at the same time as being co-located with salt, glue and a slippery joint... You are forgiven, the fault is entirely mine. B
Great idea on the black accents on the binding. Must say, I wish I had used them on my current neck...
It really is the little things that make the difference at the higher end of guitar building.. you'll do it on the next one though yeah? B
Definitely will, my good sir.
Damn your editor...... Every time Ben selects the jointer plane I have an urge to kneel bow my head and give praise to a wood working tool. I have not found god I have found Ben. Anyone suggest a good shrink?
Talitha is really doing great things right now, and it seems she has started to achieve my life goal.. a new tool based religion is aborn! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars on a side note, love the guitar builds.
I really want to know if the vintage tool shop has plane bodies (soles??) with subscribe factory forged in. 🤣
Definitely dig the holes in the top.
I agree, thank you! B
Hey ben I love your videos and I know you read the comments often. I was thinking about giving the Birdseye body a dark finish and sprinkling little pieces of a reflective materials onto it to give it a galaxy look
Did you notice that skull-smile-like pattern about 50° down- and inwards from both holes in the top? Gorgeous. Verrrry nice work, awesome vid - keep it up and stay safe. Cheers! :)
That's interesting how your fretting looks like art. Which is really satisfying to watch
Unlike my fretting that was a chain of mishaps leading into being stuck in dark pond of rethinking life choices
But Hey, it's clearly possible. Propably right tools and practice make all the difference
Merry Christmas Ben!!!
Same to you David! Have a good one! B
"All around insane dude." That's why I love you hahahah 👍
:) Mwuahahaha. B
Laura kampf did a video on jointing wood together with curves using a bandsaw. Thought of it when you were joining the binding.
She is very talented! B
I love your amazing sense of humor! 😉
my wife says 'what sense of humour?' :) Thanks Scott. B
I absolutely love that top and back wood. It's going to be a beauty. A very happy Christmas to you and your family from Wisconsin, USA. By the way, that's a great sword that your son made. I suspect that whatever he decides to do with his life he will be great at it.
You just made him very very happy! Thank you. A happy Christmas to you and yours too! B
I just have to say...I love this channel!
Happy belated birthday Ben! My 21st birthday is in 3 days (Dec. 22nd).
MERRY CHRISTMAS and Happy New Year to Ben and everyone at Crimson!
Happy birthday!! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Thank you Ben!
Checking UA-cam: "Uploaded 6 Minutes ago". So, I guess, I am not bored anymore :D
that was the best fret installation advice, thank you
You're welcome, I am happy to help. B
when you joined the binding you shouldve taped the 2 pieces together and saw them at once this gives you a perfect fit from the saw. this technique is used in marquetry very often :)
That top is wicked. Makes me want to build a guitar
My job here is done, send me pics of what you make? B
Hi Ben, this is really looking great now. The neck and fretboard look superb, and the top and back are going to be amazing. Orson's sword looks brilliant too - what's his inspiration for it?
The salt trick. I am trying that tomorrow!! If it works... I think I might love you.
It works, it really really works. so.. are we in love then? B
Book-matched natural thin-line sound holes!!? Yes please :)
I just thought of a cool test to do and record for our benefit. Do a few glue-up pairs with a variety of configurations, like end grain, long grain, etc. and make the pairs as exactly the same as possible, but put salt in one of each pair. Then break the joints using some sort of gauge to measure the force. I like the idea of the salt, but am not sure if I believe it doesn't affect the strength.
That doesn't sound like a video Ben would make. But I'm pretty sure I've seen a test video before and I think they concluded that the salt doesn't make a significant difference in strength.
Nice way to start the day!
Beautiful neck. 100% you should do the sound holes.
Noted! B
The middle part of the body (opposite the markings) looks unnervingly like a skull... pretty cool
It really is so damn cool isn't it? B
Hi. Love this video. Which leads me to this request. Can you do a session on Glueing. It looked like the black arts. So little adhesive (or it looks like it) for a really big job. But somehow it meets the demands. Thanks
The salt trick looks great, but you might get an even more high-end luthier effect if you also add some freshly ground white pepper and a pinch of smoked paprika.
It is a lovely lovely addiction to have isn't it? B
You make the fretboard work look so easy. Any tips on how to cut a binding channel after having glued and radiused the fretboard? I forgot to do undersized my fretboard before I glued it on!
best thing to do is get two thin strips of material, I've used veneer or aluminium before. Stick them down the outside length of the fretboard and they will, if tall enough, cut out the radius of the fretboard. ran a router along the rails and it thinks it is on a flat surface, easy as pie. B
Hey, so if your ever looking for ideas for a build or two. Maybe you could do like a pair of guitars, one with the body carved out of a thick wood block to resemble angel wings with a themed neck and headstock, and the other the same idea but as a devil or demon themed guitar (body as wings and etc). Be a good one if you want to test your wood carving skills :)
Also, your creativity and skill are amazing and your vids are great. Couldnt help myself
Ben I would love to see how to correctly make fret nibs, maybe you could do this on your next build?
Great video..them chisels be super sharp. Guess you really do love sharp tools.
Have a great Christmas you crimson people 🎄🎄
You too! B
I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out, it's looking very promising. That's the first time I've seen you (or anyone else) use wood glue for the frets and it looks like a good idea. Are there any woods that you shouldn't use that with? My current build has a green ebony fretboard, which is neither green nor ebony-coloured (it's brown). and I might try it (although the fretboard isn't bound).
0:00, Let me stop you right there... *like*
Please continue.
I love you! Thank you! B
Hand mitered neck end binding? Cmon Ben thats too much... lol. Perfectly done!
stunning neck
Why thank you, wait til you see the headstock on Saturday! I am so very happy with how she is turning out! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars anticipation of headstock stunningness activated
When I Google'd it, I was so disappointed that a shooting board was NOTHING like what I imagined it to be (no firearms involved). But now knowing what it is, I'm going to build one for my home workshop. You can learn something new every day if you want to. :D
Isn't it the best thing about our modern world, the ability to, with ease, learn pretty much anything you can imagine! B
Hi, a little off topic but I've seen a technique that i think you may find interesting and i haven't seen used on a guitar neck I think it's call "woven". I actually saw it used on cutting boards and to be hones when I saw it the first thing I though was that would make such a cool guitar neck or fret board. Anyway if you look up a vid called "Woodworking: How to Make a Woven Cutting Board" it should give you an idea. Not sure if it would have any implications for the over strength / stability of the neck though.
This build is turning out fantastic, I am looking forward to seeing how it turns out!
Quick question though, the holes in the top that you said you want to try to use as sound holes... Is there a possibility that flex in the top (the last nebula wasn't super solid) could cause cracking to propagate from the sharp points of the hole?
Thank you, me too! As to the wood.. this is orders of magnitude stronger than the burl poplar we used last time.. plus I'm going to be adding at the very least a bass bar.. and could add a thin veneer under the sound holes to add strength, saying that, your question is 100% valid and worth serious consideration.. B
Fantastic job i love it. good work again
Thank you so much, I am enjoying this one! B
Hi Ben one of your fan hope to see you build a 5 string bass neck thru
Lovely work, Ben. Will you be bracing the top? Would that provide enough support for the natural holes to be sound holes?
I will be adding bracing for sure, it needs to be stiffer than the 1st version was.. and the sound holes would be stable enough with care.. Thanks for commenting! B
that sword is cool!
25:07 You need to make that the top of the guitar and use those beautiful holes as soundholes!! They’ll be like black holes in space against the nebula finish
They really really would be.. I'll see where I end up after Christmas.. whatever I do I hope it will be well received... B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Thanks for the reply! I have no doubt that whatever direction you go with it, it will be spectacular. You've proven your artistic eye and high level of quality time and time again. I hope you and your family have a happy holiday!
Hogging lots of material with a number 3? Rather a 6 or a 5 1/2 I think?
It's going to be a really nice guitar! Thanks for your videos, Ben!
As an amateur woodworker, I struggle a little bit with miter joints, but you make it look real easy :-)
I should have said 4 really but I prefer 3 personally, most scrub planes are shorter, though longer planes can do the same as well.. albeit with a bit more work due to extra weight etc.. as to mitre joints, it has been a very long time and I've got it down! A trick I saw was to have an accurate 45 degree block to use as a guide when cutting.. B