I'm so glad that you brought this up because Lisa can help proc one of Neuvi's stacks, and is one of the very rare instances of DEF shred that Neuvi CAN take advantage of. Lisa is also a catalyst holder, so there will surely be weapons in the future or now, that she can use to help support him. The only other sources of DEF shred are Ayaka's C4, Klee's C2, and Raiden and Yae's personal DEF ignore which is different than shred. Lisa is one of the rare units that can actually buff Neuvillette since he benefits so very little from buffs that others can give the team.
Worth mentioning that while none of her cons are necessary, C4 does make her apply her debuff slightly more quickly/reliably in AoE. Without C4, her burst applies roughly 1 arc every 0.5s with random targeting so with a large number of enemies (or just really poor RNG) it can take a few seconds to tag all the enemies. With C4, it fires multiple shots and tags multiple enemies much more quickly.
its helpful but yeah not necessary at all. pretty much every speedrun (including my own), doesn't have much lisa cons 😭 still getting fast clears though
I remember using Lisa on my Eula teams a long time ago for the ascension passive, totally forgot about her now with Neuvilette. I'll give it a go today
Lisa with Hakushin Ring works amazing too! I use her with that weapon and emblem set, works great. I tried this video’s build but my prototype inst r5..so if anyone doesn’t have r5 prototype amber i highly recommend hakushin ring. Great video!😁
I'm glad Lisa is letting less popular characters like Neuv/Furina/Kazuha to finally shine 🥰 Jokes aside it really is great to see her perform so well in a team, I'd love to try this team out but don't have Neuvi or Furina sadly
I really enjoy running proto amber on a support for neuvillette; lisa, nahida, hell even sucrose. Personally i think ningguang is underrated as an archaic petra + proto amber holder (even if her burst is slow AF). the 12sec cd makes it always available and opens up your rotation to a degree that isn't really noticable when you try to put her into a 22 or 26 second rotation on a spreadsheet. It's probably not competetive with other builds for speedruns, but its really comfy for those uf us who just wants a solid 36star clear. I've been running APPA Ning since 4.1, and i wholeheartedly recommend it.
Just yesterday I was messing around with Lisa and Neuvillette to explore F2P alternatives and I was ashamed that I’ve never considered her before, and today I see this 😂 my problem though is energy, I was testing with a rainbow team and Lisa had R5 Hakushin with 290% ER and it wasn’t enough 😩 my team was GMC and Lynette, I calculated I need ~305% ER in energy poor scenarios even if I funnel a GMC E + 3 fav particles into her (just one fav holder with two procs). R5 PA lowers requirements to around 255-260%, but I have only one PA that Neuvi is using without better alternatives (arguably Widsith) and also I liked the idea of making it work with Hakushin since without Furina PA doesn’t provide as much value, but yea I should consider crafting another one if I want to mess around with that team (keep in mind I don’t kill stuff as fast like you 😅). Nice video 👍
You might be able to try using the 4 star exile set on geo main character in that team, setting up Petra can be annoying and slow anyway (if you were using that set)
It's a really smart move by using lisa because There are a few buffs that reduce enemies' defense in the game, such as Lisa, Razer C4, and Klee C2. Therefore, it is possible that we will obtain support for this specialty in the upcoming region
I love this, i have break old times in the abyss, and also allow me to play more characters on the other side. Finally i have a reason to use Lisa in a good team :D, thanks for this info ❤
Lisa is quite underrated on a few teams as an alternative option - non-C6 Sara alternative on Raiden hypercarry - Yae/Fischl alternative for Alhaitham/Tighnari Spread - budget Hyperbloom trigger if no Kuki/Raiden - Keqing/Yae alternative for Aggravate teams Not to mention till this day she's the only unit who can reduce DEF at C0 (Razor & Ayaka also have it but only at C4, Klee at C2 (forgot her lol), and Raiden & Yae w/ personal DEF ignore (edited it))
Raiden and Yae have Defense ignore, it only works for themselves While Ayaka, Razor, Lisa, and the C2 Klee you forgot to mention, they reduce enemies Def, so the whole team can take benefits from it If I'm not wrong when Raiden got released they had to cap the Defense shred at 90% or something
Well, Lisa hyperbloom isn't budget, but an expensive option. Raiden and Kuki doesn't require ER while Lisa needs tons of it. Farming for artifact substat is high investment, I'd argue that this is much more expensive compared to pulling for a c0 Raiden. I've been there and decided to pull Raiden to get 36 stars eariler. However, Lisa hyperbloom has way higher dps ceiling because of the faster triggering (which is 80% faster than Raiden and 200% faster than Kuki), and the team needs to be entirely tailored around this to catch up with the dendro core production.
Great idea! Will try it. Is there overall incremental uplift in DPS / clear time vs. Zhongli / Baizhu or is it around same level trading RES shred + petra for DEF shred?
Just tried this team and it's really fun. Prolly my favorite Neuv team now. Glad to have found another team for my Lisa. I built her 'cause she's C6 but couldn't find another team for her aside from aggravate.
The only thing I'm wondering; in case you have Neuvi (and Kazuha) but no Furina, what changes would you do to Lisa? Or is she not worth playing in that case?
I built my Lisa so always glad to hear of other great teams for her. Just tried this team and I got my 35th star! Still not close to getting the last star on the 2nd floor but I’ll keep trying!
Tried the team, and indeed its a speedrun. My Neuvi's damage increased decently. i wish 1 more constellation of her comes home so I can C4. I just recently leveled her up.
You can use her for your Alhaitham spread teams she can rotate Very fast just swap to her hold e tap q maybe do one charged attack and then back to Alhaitham
@tetangganyaalhaitamWhile aggravate/spread are additive (not transformative) reactions, def shred can still be useful in transformative reaction teams where the on-field driver's attacks (and/or an off-field damage dealer's hits, and/or other non-transformative reactions taking place) are a significant source of damage Basically, just because your team is based around a transformative reaction, that doesn't make def shred useless. Shoehorning in a def shred character will still often be sub-optimal, but useless it typically is not
@tetangganyaalhaitam Among the off field electro options, only Lisa can actually buff spread dmg without support weapon and artifacts (Raiden has teamwide burst dmg but most dendro units main dmg source dont come from burst and Sara only buffs ATK which is the least stat priority over EM). Other off field electro are just there for the sake triggering quicken, their personal dmg or other utility (heal,energy)
I'm debating leveling lisa and crafting refines for my Pamber to try this instead of Petra albedo. I really like running albedo when my zhongli is not available since he is braindead easy with no worry about ER and his animations are super quick so its easy to refresh petra mid rotation for high petra uptime.
I wonder why I never thought of Lisa lol, esp since I always really thought that EC/taser has been underrated, especially with the AoE swirls and its stun/juggle. Personally I use Fischl a lot since she has no ER req basically and is set-and-forget (and she's one of my favorite characters), but the DEF shred is really interesting to further buff Neuv, and unlike Kuki Lisa doesn't need to be melee range. Personally I found interrupt res to be not that significant especially if you position yourself well. I also think Baizhu's interrupt res is so inconsistent that I've found little difference between running him and running no healer/shielder at all lol.
After trying this out for a while it feels ok, the biggest issue is ER for Lisa. I have her at almost 260% and she just gets her burst if you're really conscious of swapping to use everyones skills and run at least one fav. Like sometimes I'd have to cancel a neuv ca near the end of a chamber to get in another E or furina fav proc before the enemies died or lisa wouldnt have her burst for the next chamber.
I built Lisa as a DEF shred support as well, although for Spread teams rather than Neuvilette. I’m surprised you made it work with only 220% ER. In my shred support, I use a Favonious weapon and 250% ER to be able to burst consistently for low numbers of targets. Maybe it’s different since you’re getting enough orbs from defeating enemies so quickly.
I built Lisa for a similar purpose, buffing My C6 Nahida. It works well, but I found that even with Fav Codex, ER can still end up being an issue for her when she is the only electro character.
I see the title and i instanly hope for saving my team for neuvi and have a good reason to play lisa BUT.... i don't have furina and kazu 😢(probably my next pull with Zongli and raiden) no sucrose too 😮💨.... Why not using her for hyperbloom in my case ? (Yaoyao is in tighnari spread...) Or meaby taser, idk if beter than xinqui+linette(no good anemo yet) and Layla
Has there been any math done on song of days vs 4p maiden's? The buff on Song of Days is quite low so stacking furina's fanfare faster through maiden's might be closer than expected?
Is there anything specific about getting the whopperflowers to tp to you in 12-2-1? I've tried running to the other end, but sometimes they'll just tp in place.
I was trying to find a reason to use Lisa for Alhaitham or Neuvi and then this video popped up lol I don't know man, I just like her playstyle. I might even get her to c4 one day if I get the chance.
Seems good if you've got Neuv's sig weapon. Mine has proto amber, so figure fish/yae are prob better to add more damage as my neuv won't have your damage. The downside to this is Yae takes much more field time, but gives a second nuke and decent damage imo, fish is prob comparable in field time but both def require investment unlike lisa here.
Rosaria, Eula, Lisa, Bennett was my boss killer comp before Raiden replaced Lisa. I'd use the 4* ER set (the set now Gorou use, Exile?) with Prototype Amber. I haven't seen the video yet but I am guessing Maiden Lisa with full Er and Healing perhaps. Man, I want Arlecchino's weapon. Otherwise, I'd pull Neuvillette C1.
Well not everyone has kazuha ( lost my 50 50 in kazuha banner but got tome for neuvi... ) I wonder if Mona could do fine as a cope replacement or does it have to be a viridesent anemo like venti who I actually have....?
I’m curious, why isn’t the damage increase closer to 15% instead of 8%? I was certain that if your Lisa was being compared to a healer unit (assuming they offered no unique buff), her defense shred would be a 100% multiplicative buff into your team’s true damage…. Unless, is res shred and defense shred additive? Can you fill me in?
with the damage formula, def shred doesn't work quite like that. however it does scale better the more you stack, but at base it doesn't scale that high
I have a question... If I only have 6 Catalyst Billets, I can't pull Neuvilette's signature weapon nor pay the battle pass... How should I distribute refinements of Prototype Amber to have the best results running this team?? Or Should I run Neuvilette with Widsith with the gambling effect?? Thanks in advance!!
if your widsith is already refined and level 90 you should just use that on neuvillette, at least in the abyss. then just make 1 r5 prototype amber for lisa and also can give it to neuvillette in overworld/casual play 🤔
it would but lisa's def shred is worth it cause it lasts long, big aoe, and off field, and she can heal on top. unfortunately small def shred isn't valuable enough by itself to replace common teammates
Of course im a lisa enjoyer. I use her in a Tighnari, Yea and Baizhu team. Got her triple crowned, C6 on lost prayer 2attck2electro. Can comfortably hit 100.000 charged E.
Abt minmaxing her with EM, unless she's lvl 90 (and most people will just leave her at 60/70) I just wouldn't bother doing something more than like an EM goblet
EC w.o sucrose is an ass reaction anyway. bc we will never know who is the trigger. so yeah stacking EM on her is not a good idea. just use 4p maiden with er/any piece/healing bonus
any lisa enjoyers? 🙂
Got her at 90 lol
Yes but not metawise
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IM USIGN THIS EXACT TEAM SINCE 4.1 OMG
@@implicitimpact677 she is very synergistic here though. try get a faster run with a random 4th teammate if you want!
Thank you so much for clarifying that this works with both Lisa skins. I was worried about that coming into this.
i love this kind of video! showcasing lesser used/underrated 4*
I'm so glad that you brought this up because Lisa can help proc one of Neuvi's stacks, and is one of the very rare instances of DEF shred that Neuvi CAN take advantage of. Lisa is also a catalyst holder, so there will surely be weapons in the future or now, that she can use to help support him. The only other sources of DEF shred are Ayaka's C4, Klee's C2, and Raiden and Yae's personal DEF ignore which is different than shred. Lisa is one of the rare units that can actually buff Neuvillette since he benefits so very little from buffs that others can give the team.
Razor
Nahida c2 to
Nahida c2 with raiden and zhongli also a very strong neuv team. Or if you have freedom sworn kuki the FS passive adds a little buff to neuv as well.
Worth mentioning that while none of her cons are necessary, C4 does make her apply her debuff slightly more quickly/reliably in AoE. Without C4, her burst applies roughly 1 arc every 0.5s with random targeting so with a large number of enemies (or just really poor RNG) it can take a few seconds to tag all the enemies. With C4, it fires multiple shots and tags multiple enemies much more quickly.
its helpful but yeah not necessary at all. pretty much every speedrun (including my own), doesn't have much lisa cons 😭 still getting fast clears though
@@jamiekb9vi feel like thats because neuvillette is strong af, however c4 lisa is still great
oh neat :0
Same goes to fischl she dealt damage every 1 sec for 10 sec
lisa burst tick also has small aoe which is actually quite good. especially we always use kazuha anyway to group them. so c4 is not really needed.
Also saw this on Bilibili a while ago so I was waiting for you to cover it
I remember using Lisa on my Eula teams a long time ago for the ascension passive, totally forgot about her now with Neuvilette. I'll give it a go today
Lisa is amazing support
Lisa with Hakushin Ring works amazing too! I use her with that weapon and emblem set, works great. I tried this video’s build but my prototype inst r5..so if anyone doesn’t have r5 prototype amber i highly recommend hakushin ring. Great video!😁
Last I checked, Hakushin ring doesn't proc off-field, so the uptime is abysmal.
I'm glad Lisa is letting less popular characters like Neuv/Furina/Kazuha to finally shine 🥰
Jokes aside it really is great to see her perform so well in a team, I'd love to try this team out but don't have Neuvi or Furina sadly
His banner is rated-up rn , you can try to get him
I think that lisa is good. Just because she is starter heroes, most people think she is bad because she is free
I really enjoy running proto amber on a support for neuvillette; lisa, nahida, hell even sucrose. Personally i think ningguang is underrated as an archaic petra + proto amber holder (even if her burst is slow AF). the 12sec cd makes it always available and opens up your rotation to a degree that isn't really noticable when you try to put her into a 22 or 26 second rotation on a spreadsheet. It's probably not competetive with other builds for speedruns, but its really comfy for those uf us who just wants a solid 36star clear. I've been running APPA Ning since 4.1, and i wholeheartedly recommend it.
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Hey, childe speedrunner
You've made my day! I run to build Liza.
Unique content as always since Kokomi and Nilou guides. Please, keep going.
Just yesterday I was messing around with Lisa and Neuvillette to explore F2P alternatives and I was ashamed that I’ve never considered her before, and today I see this 😂 my problem though is energy, I was testing with a rainbow team and Lisa had R5 Hakushin with 290% ER and it wasn’t enough 😩 my team was GMC and Lynette, I calculated I need ~305% ER in energy poor scenarios even if I funnel a GMC E + 3 fav particles into her (just one fav holder with two procs). R5 PA lowers requirements to around 255-260%, but I have only one PA that Neuvi is using without better alternatives (arguably Widsith) and also I liked the idea of making it work with Hakushin since without Furina PA doesn’t provide as much value, but yea I should consider crafting another one if I want to mess around with that team (keep in mind I don’t kill stuff as fast like you 😅).
Nice video 👍
You might be able to try using the 4 star exile set on geo main character in that team, setting up Petra can be annoying and slow anyway (if you were using that set)
It's a really smart move by using lisa because There are a few buffs that reduce enemies' defense in the game, such as Lisa, Razer C4, and Klee C2. Therefore, it is possible that we will obtain support for this specialty in the upcoming region
Thank you so much Jamie. Coz I've been using EM raiden in that team and didn't thought about Lisa.
i have no idea how i never seen a video neither thought of prototype amber lisa for neuv. good stuff
I love this, i have break old times in the abyss, and also allow me to play more characters on the other side.
Finally i have a reason to use Lisa in a good team :D, thanks for this info ❤
Lisa is quite underrated on a few teams as an alternative option
- non-C6 Sara alternative on Raiden hypercarry
- Yae/Fischl alternative for Alhaitham/Tighnari Spread
- budget Hyperbloom trigger if no Kuki/Raiden
- Keqing/Yae alternative for Aggravate teams
Not to mention till this day she's the only unit who can reduce DEF at C0 (Razor & Ayaka also have it but only at C4, Klee at C2 (forgot her lol), and Raiden & Yae w/ personal DEF ignore (edited it))
Raiden and yae are def ignores not reductions lol
Ignoring def and shredding def are different stats with different multipliers
Raiden and Yae have Defense ignore, it only works for themselves
While Ayaka, Razor, Lisa, and the C2 Klee you forgot to mention, they reduce enemies Def, so the whole team can take benefits from it
If I'm not wrong when Raiden got released they had to cap the Defense shred at 90% or something
I'm pretty sure Nahida's C2 also shreds Def by 30%
Well, Lisa hyperbloom isn't budget, but an expensive option. Raiden and Kuki doesn't require ER while Lisa needs tons of it. Farming for artifact substat is high investment, I'd argue that this is much more expensive compared to pulling for a c0 Raiden. I've been there and decided to pull Raiden to get 36 stars eariler.
However, Lisa hyperbloom has way higher dps ceiling because of the faster triggering (which is 80% faster than Raiden and 200% faster than Kuki), and the team needs to be entirely tailored around this to catch up with the dendro core production.
finally my full build lisa can shine now *-*
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first time hearing someone said that you really dont need Neuvy C1 and i agree on this take
as a F2P he is fine At C0
Great idea! Will try it. Is there overall incremental uplift in DPS / clear time vs. Zhongli / Baizhu or is it around same level trading RES shred + petra for DEF shred?
dosent this also allow for an easier hydro swirl against bosses in comparison to charlotte?
Lisa mentioned!!!
wow, ty sir. Great inf :)
its such a good team. i trust you.
How would you compare the damage of a team with lisa vs a team with fishcl instead?
Just tried this team, and its actually pretty good.
hell yeah, based Neuvillette team that I like, time to build Lisa
Just tried this team and it's really fun. Prolly my favorite Neuv team now.
Glad to have found another team for my Lisa. I built her 'cause she's C6 but couldn't find another team for her aside from aggravate.
The only thing I'm wondering; in case you have Neuvi (and Kazuha) but no Furina, what changes would you do to Lisa? Or is she not worth playing in that case?
A new team for Lisa is always a W
I built my Lisa so always glad to hear of other great teams for her. Just tried this team and I got my 35th star! Still not close to getting the last star on the 2nd floor but I’ll keep trying!
Congrats! Keep trying
@@jamiekb9vI did it! Lisa for the win!
Can you get her Ulti up in time before floor is over? Or did u redo the abyss to make sure she has ulti up after clearing 12-1 / 12-2 ?
Tried the team, and indeed its a speedrun. My Neuvi's damage increased decently. i wish 1 more constellation of her comes home so I can C4. I just recently leveled her up.
Been wanting to use Lisa for a long time and this team is indeed very strong. How do you think it compares to using her in Haitham Quicken team?
I got C6 Lisa but never found how to put her into my team's. Now I do. Will try this out!
Same, she is also one of my favorites from the early cast. I don't know why I didn't think of this!
You can use her for your Alhaitham spread teams she can rotate Very fast just swap to her hold e tap q maybe do one charged attack and then back to Alhaitham
@tetangganyaalhaitam spread/aggravate is not a transformative reaction
@tetangganyaalhaitamWhile aggravate/spread are additive (not transformative) reactions, def shred can still be useful in transformative reaction teams where the on-field driver's attacks (and/or an off-field damage dealer's hits, and/or other non-transformative reactions taking place) are a significant source of damage
Basically, just because your team is based around a transformative reaction, that doesn't make def shred useless. Shoehorning in a def shred character will still often be sub-optimal, but useless it typically is not
@tetangganyaalhaitam Among the off field electro options, only Lisa can actually buff spread dmg without support weapon and artifacts (Raiden has teamwide burst dmg but most dendro units main dmg source dont come from burst and Sara only buffs ATK which is the least stat priority over EM).
Other off field electro are just there for the sake triggering quicken, their personal dmg or other utility (heal,energy)
is it worth to play if you have zhongli? (already have C1 neuvillette)
Yo guys, if you run Prototype Amber on both Neuvi and Lisa, does it stack?
I have zhongli but i might try this just to see if the def shred gives good damage
I'm debating leveling lisa and crafting refines for my Pamber to try this instead of Petra albedo. I really like running albedo when my zhongli is not available since he is braindead easy with no worry about ER and his animations are super quick so its easy to refresh petra mid rotation for high petra uptime.
Really helpful vid this is
gonna try it hehe
thank u
I wonder why I never thought of Lisa lol, esp since I always really thought that EC/taser has been underrated, especially with the AoE swirls and its stun/juggle. Personally I use Fischl a lot since she has no ER req basically and is set-and-forget (and she's one of my favorite characters), but the DEF shred is really interesting to further buff Neuv, and unlike Kuki Lisa doesn't need to be melee range.
Personally I found interrupt res to be not that significant especially if you position yourself well. I also think Baizhu's interrupt res is so inconsistent that I've found little difference between running him and running no healer/shielder at all lol.
After trying this out for a while it feels ok, the biggest issue is ER for Lisa. I have her at almost 260% and she just gets her burst if you're really conscious of swapping to use everyones skills and run at least one fav. Like sometimes I'd have to cancel a neuv ca near the end of a chamber to get in another E or furina fav proc before the enemies died or lisa wouldnt have her burst for the next chamber.
Does Lisa’s A4 passive refreshes or trigger off-field even when the burst is there?
Do you have to use fav sword on kazuha? Currently im using xiphos
Thx Jamie for great idea, is maiden set will be ok? i farm set for Bennet in Furina teams.
as mentioned in the build section, artifact set doesnt matter much you can use whatever you want
welp, time to pull for neuvilette
Is it realistic to burst every rotation if lisa use ttds on hypercarry raiden team? How much er needed?
Yupp i'm definetly gonna use Lisa but for hyperbloom triger with neuvi , it's more easy for me with m'y box , with Layla for shild and a dendro 🎉
Does running no healer hurts Furina damage therefore also makes overall DPS the same or even worse?
I built Lisa as a DEF shred support as well, although for Spread teams rather than Neuvilette. I’m surprised you made it work with only 220% ER.
In my shred support, I use a Favonious weapon and 250% ER to be able to burst consistently for low numbers of targets. Maybe it’s different since you’re getting enough orbs from defeating enemies so quickly.
Would hakushin ring on lisa be good if you have c2+ furina?
Hmmmmmmm this seems like a fun team.
I built Lisa for a similar purpose, buffing My C6 Nahida. It works well, but I found that even with Fav Codex, ER can still end up being an issue for her when she is the only electro character.
Does healing bonus work on proto amber's healing?
I see the title and i instanly hope for saving my team for neuvi and have a good reason to play lisa BUT.... i don't have furina and kazu 😢(probably my next pull with Zongli and raiden) no sucrose too 😮💨....
Why not using her for hyperbloom in my case ? (Yaoyao is in tighnari spread...) Or meaby taser, idk if beter than xinqui+linette(no good anemo yet) and Layla
I might go for C1 instead of signature & just use double proto amber with this team
Wait proto Amber's healing is based on the party max hp itself or the user max hp?
Has there been any math done on song of days vs 4p maiden's? The buff on Song of Days is quite low so stacking furina's fanfare faster through maiden's might be closer than expected?
i haven't done them but if someone does i'll be interested! from feelscrafting it seems getting enough ER is more relevant than having a support set
would lisa work for raiden+chevreuse team or is C6 Sara or bennett or xiangling still better than lisa?
yeah unfortunately sara+bennett and sara+xiangling are better for raiden
Song of the days past can buff for neuvillette ?
I’m definitely gonna build Lisa now once I’m done with Thoma 😆
I just got c1 Neuv and was thinking about Lisa as a 4th for this team
Thoughts on exile on Lisa? Assuming you can hit the er reqs
lisa is the teammate with the most trouble getting burst so its not worth making it harder on her to help the other teammates
Is there anything specific about getting the whopperflowers to tp to you in 12-2-1? I've tried running to the other end, but sometimes they'll just tp in place.
Leave some space in front of you to make them appear, otherwise they attempt to teleport, fail and go back to their place
run across and inshallah
Quick question is there any alternative for Furina for example Nahida in like Neuvillette hyperbloom?
I mean, there are replacements for her, but none of them really work
what is this team best rotation?
I was trying to find a reason to use Lisa for Alhaitham or Neuvi and then this video popped up lol I don't know man, I just like her playstyle. I might even get her to c4 one day if I get the chance.
It only took almost 4 years... omg
Seems good if you've got Neuv's sig weapon. Mine has proto amber, so figure fish/yae are prob better to add more damage as my neuv won't have your damage. The downside to this is Yae takes much more field time, but gives a second nuke and decent damage imo, fish is prob comparable in field time but both def require investment unlike lisa here.
wish i had billets for this i already use all my billets for neuvillete
Is lisa better than fischl c6 in this comp?
Reminds me how I play gorou on my Navia team he’s 1 talents and I really only play him because I have c6 and his talents slightly benefit Navia.
Me with a c6 Lisa
Neuvillette: Stand proud. Your strong
Lisa: *tears of happiness in her eyes* thank you 🥹
Rosaria, Eula, Lisa, Bennett was my boss killer comp before Raiden replaced Lisa. I'd use the 4* ER set (the set now Gorou use, Exile?) with Prototype Amber.
I haven't seen the video yet but I am guessing Maiden Lisa with full Er and Healing perhaps.
Man, I want Arlecchino's weapon. Otherwise, I'd pull Neuvillette C1.
isn't maiden better for lisa since all we need is healing ?
Does furina need a healr at c2???
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I already built Charlotte for this team, that was a lot of resources...
Maybe we will get a proper support for this role in Natlan, duno...
Any replacement for furina?
C2 raiden or c0 alhaitham and c0 nahdia?
i run my neuvilette with prototype amber already
so i thought of hakushin ring for lisa
thats actually good
Well not everyone has kazuha ( lost my 50 50 in kazuha banner but got tome for neuvi... ) I wonder if Mona could do fine as a cope replacement or does it have to be a viridesent anemo like venti who I actually have....?
use lynnette or sucrose.
yes venti works to.
Question here, does she work better than Charlotte, because im thinking of building her after watching this video
Same. I got E6 Charlotte, but Im not into her.
I’m curious, why isn’t the damage increase closer to 15% instead of 8%? I was certain that if your Lisa was being compared to a healer unit (assuming they offered no unique buff), her defense shred would be a 100% multiplicative buff into your team’s true damage…. Unless, is res shred and defense shred additive?
Can you fill me in?
with the damage formula, def shred doesn't work quite like that. however it does scale better the more you stack, but at base it doesn't scale that high
I have a question... If I only have 6 Catalyst Billets, I can't pull Neuvilette's signature weapon nor pay the battle pass... How should I distribute refinements of Prototype Amber to have the best results running this team?? Or Should I run Neuvilette with Widsith with the gambling effect?? Thanks in advance!!
if your widsith is already refined and level 90 you should just use that on neuvillette, at least in the abyss. then just make 1 r5 prototype amber for lisa and also can give it to neuvillette in overworld/casual play 🤔
Speaking of DEF Shred, what about Razor C4? Does it stack with Lisa?
it would but lisa's def shred is worth it cause it lasts long, big aoe, and off field, and she can heal on top. unfortunately small def shred isn't valuable enough by itself to replace common teammates
Of course im a lisa enjoyer. I use her in a Tighnari, Yea and Baizhu team. Got her triple crowned, C6 on lost prayer 2attck2electro. Can comfortably hit 100.000 charged E.
vv shred+ Lisa a4 is huge
is 220 er lisa enough without fav?
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uhhh i like this idear. i will try this for myself... got a strong lisa but no team for hear 😁😎
Abt minmaxing her with EM, unless she's lvl 90 (and most people will just leave her at 60/70) I just wouldn't bother doing something more than like an EM goblet
EC w.o sucrose is an ass reaction anyway. bc we will never know who is the trigger. so yeah stacking EM on her is not a good idea. just use 4p maiden with er/any piece/healing bonus
It's optional but great to have. Hyperbloom Lisa is existed, so she should not just be Neuvillete's slave...
i have been using raiden instead since the release of nuevilliette
I use lisa hyperbloom. Lisa nahida xingqiu and kuki/zhongli
Does Lisa need to be C6? Or C0 is Alright?
If you don't have furina, what build will you recommend for lisa?
Hakushin Ring perhaps for the weapon, artifact mostly stays the same (stack ER so she can burst every rotation).
I have her at c6 and semi built her (lvl 70 moderate talents) might need to dust her off the shelf