its related to the new update. i think its about that patch note you mentioned. when you minimize the game, the game stop sending packets, yes. but i don't think the game is bottling the packats tho. it could be that the script that checks for network issue is checking even when the game is minimized. and gets false information that you have network problems (because the game doesn't send packets when its minimized). so it tries to compensate by increasing the packats for each request(its helpful when you have jitter, because it sends multiple packats as one, but it also add latency). then after a while of playing afterwards, the script, sees that you no longer have packet loss, so it lowers the packats for each request, slowly. this is just a theory, i'm not a game developer. but i'm a network expert. possible solutions: - pause the script when it detects the game is minimized. (should be fairly simple and wont break other code) - allow the game to send packets even when its minimized (why not, unless it has to do with detecting if you're afk or not)
Thanks a lot for the explanation. This one seems to make sense to me, but of course I can't verify that. Your explanation would certainly explain how the change valve has made directly impacts the game
Would definitely be beneficial to pause the scripts when minimized especially considering it’s simple as you said, I wonder what kind of new challenges this gives birth to though
not a network expert but a experienced game dev and programmer and this is exactly what i thought as soon as i saw the patch note, completely agree with you
Oh no this bug gave me fucking Vietnam memories when in CSGO I had this issue for almost a month before discovering It was due to my bandwith settings that, apparently, one day went crazy and changed with no reason
Glad other people are noticing, I started noticing it slightly after they allowed people to que workshop maps together. Reminds me how minecraft creates a local server in your pc which would also explain why it ques packets even when you are "offline"
Thought I was going crazy, one game I am a God and the other game it feels like I need to prefire everything or they don't die and bullets go right through them.
Also you can recreate the stutter in two ways that I know of. Downloading a match causes a consistent stutter that I notice, making me assume that a stutter without downloading is caused by the replay system. I also here more about the stutter from users on HDDs and not SSDs so that could be a cause
I use a HDD but can't consistently get any stuttering. It only happened once so I still don't fully know what caused it for me. But thanks a lot for sharing the issue regarding Replays
tip: type quit in console command after any faceit match to queue & re launch cs2 to join the server. Btw the more you leave your game open for a certain time, your performance will go down
Not sure why the game is queuing old packets, probably something to do with the Time to Live(?) being too high, it’d make sense if the older packets were being dropped in favor of newer ones
It most likely has to do with that network change valve made. Presumably the game suspects or thinks that you are having an unstable Internet connection, which somehow causes this issue with the packets. Another comment had a pretty great explanation, *Edit: pinned his response*
Had real smooth game until I got fiber. 300x faster connection and now ingame stutters. Every three seconds I get a microstutter and it ruins everything for me. Can't play this game anymore because of that
Great question, originally I wanted to include the other options as well, but forgot xd. Fullscreen windowed as well as windowed are not effected by this as long as you don't fully minimize the game. When you fully minimize it (windows+ D as an example), then you still get the same delay.
Man I'm really loosing hope. Game feels worse after each update. Optimization is far away from "ok-ish". Can't play deathmatch anymore, cause my FPS will drop to 100~ average. In comp I get around 250-300~ without any huge smoke or nade spamming but it feels so rubbery and not as smooth as CS:GO back then.
I constantly get lags only on my end when i am walking, and when i ask other about my movement they say its fine, but for me it looks like 💩, I've gotten killed so many times because of this. I play on 50 ping but it looks like 200.
When the game is being alt tabbed from or to it "freezes", so people with bad pcs that experience freezes mid-game, like me, are also affected… so it turns out we need to wait a few seconds after a freeze before fighting anyone =\
This is related to the new anti cheat , the game keep scanning the game memory thinking u tabing out for cheats or pulling it out the cheats menu , its a new way of detecting cheats , from my research’s and tests it seems like the game and the score board ( tab menu ) are two seperate thing , to make easier the tab is like a different app that needs to collect info from the game then show u the scores and all that , thats why when u tab u get input lag , its hard to explain but they trying to seperate or spread the data runing in the memory to make it harder for people to make cheats
@@Mikeowd you're misinformed. This has nothing to do with the anti-cheat. Valve recently pushed an update that increases the command queue size for a short amount of time if you experience any lag (including frametime spikes). This makes it so that the server receives your inputs way later than it should (up to 2 seconds). This is not only an issue when tabbing out, but also when experiencing packet loss/jitter, which to a lot of people, happens very often. Since this update, the game has been close to unplayable for people with such issues. Someone with a stable connection will only experience such issues in extreme cases (such as when tabbing out), and that's why it's not as widely reported as it should be
its related to the new update.
i think its about that patch note you mentioned.
when you minimize the game, the game stop sending packets, yes.
but i don't think the game is bottling the packats tho.
it could be that the script that checks for network issue is checking even when the game is minimized.
and gets false information that you have network problems (because the game doesn't send packets when its minimized).
so it tries to compensate by increasing the packats for each request(its helpful when you have jitter, because it sends multiple packats as one, but it also add latency).
then after a while of playing afterwards, the script, sees that you no longer have packet loss, so it lowers the packats for each request, slowly.
this is just a theory, i'm not a game developer. but i'm a network expert.
possible solutions:
- pause the script when it detects the game is minimized. (should be fairly simple and wont break other code)
- allow the game to send packets even when its minimized (why not, unless it has to do with detecting if you're afk or not)
Thanks a lot for the explanation. This one seems to make sense to me, but of course I can't verify that.
Your explanation would certainly explain how the change valve has made directly impacts the game
Would definitely be beneficial to pause the scripts when minimized especially considering it’s simple as you said, I wonder what kind of new challenges this gives birth to though
not a network expert but a experienced game dev and programmer and this is exactly what i thought as soon as i saw the patch note, completely agree with you
@@toms_stuff thanks for also giving your input on this, much appreciated :D
Oh no this bug gave me fucking Vietnam memories when in CSGO I had this issue for almost a month before discovering It was due to my bandwith settings that, apparently, one day went crazy and changed with no reason
This Bug has been bothering me for weeks nearly a month.
Glad other people are noticing, I started noticing it slightly after they allowed people to que workshop maps together. Reminds me how minecraft creates a local server in your pc which would also explain why it ques packets even when you are "offline"
Hopefully valve will address it with the big update
Had this same bug when I hand-built a multiplayer architecture. Surprising that this bug got through
damn in future some gaming vlogs by ravn 😜❤️, good video ❤️
Nah xd and thanks
So THATS why i can have 12-17 ping but it feels like 120-170 ping... wtf
Thought I was going crazy, one game I am a God and the other game it feels like I need to prefire everything or they don't die and bullets go right through them.
Hmmm. Might be to stop bots/scripts running multiple instances of cs2 to farm? 🤔
Wake up babe, ravn just posted a new video.
Ayee thank you so much for the support man
Also you can recreate the stutter in two ways that I know of. Downloading a match causes a consistent stutter that I notice, making me assume that a stutter without downloading is caused by the replay system.
I also here more about the stutter from users on HDDs and not SSDs so that could be a cause
I use a HDD but can't consistently get any stuttering. It only happened once so I still don't fully know what caused it for me.
But thanks a lot for sharing the issue regarding Replays
tip: type quit in console command after any faceit match to queue & re launch cs2 to join the server. Btw the more you leave your game open for a certain time, your performance will go down
Not sure why the game is queuing old packets, probably something to do with the Time to Live(?) being too high, it’d make sense if the older packets were being dropped in favor of newer ones
It most likely has to do with that network change valve made. Presumably the game suspects or thinks that you are having an unstable Internet connection, which somehow causes this issue with the packets. Another comment had a pretty great explanation,
*Edit: pinned his response*
Had real smooth game until I got fiber. 300x faster connection and now ingame stutters. Every three seconds I get a microstutter and it ruins everything for me. Can't play this game anymore because of that
Sounds like a similar issue I used to have in csgo. Not sure if there is an easy solution for it...
i have died to my gun not firing over and over again for couple days
I thought I was crazy. Thank you for highlighting this,
Glad to be of help
To my experience from playing the new update in the new maps, this bug is still present. Playing the game feels like ass so far.
This is indeed still present
That's why i avoid alt tapping since i was a kid.
and i thought my pc was just slow
No haha, this specific issue is a problem with the game =)
Did anyone else find it harder to hear your teammates voices after this same patch?
Haven't played much myself, so I am not sure
luckily for me i cant alt tab - have to close the game fully and reopen to get back in
Oh God. That's even worse xd
counterstrike its over
I mean cs2 has felt like go if you played it through stadia on a planet 3 solar systems away since it came out so
But this delay is only just for a few seconds after you tab in?
Yes, it last about 5-10 seconds
The stuttering happens when I download a demo in game
A lot of people mentioned that, thanks for pointing it out
Would this be a problem when playing in full screen only? Since it minimizes the whole game. I play on borderless so never noticed
Great question, originally I wanted to include the other options as well, but forgot xd.
Fullscreen windowed as well as windowed are not effected by this as long as you don't fully minimize the game. When you fully minimize it (windows+ D as an example), then you still get the same delay.
Man I'm really loosing hope. Game feels worse after each update. Optimization is far away from "ok-ish". Can't play deathmatch anymore, cause my FPS will drop to 100~ average. In comp I get around 250-300~ without any huge smoke or nade spamming but it feels so rubbery and not as smooth as CS:GO back then.
Same issue for me with deathmatch, but I think my PC is just not powerful enough.
I constantly get lags only on my end when i am walking, and when i ask other about my movement they say its fine, but for me it looks like 💩, I've gotten killed so many times because of this. I play on 50 ping but it looks like 200.
You're not the only one that experiences this, I assume it looks to you like you're rubber banding ? Or is it something else
@@ravncs I really don't know what this is, it happens especially when i turn on my mic, and even after that small update, the game still feels like 💩
@@kirilslaviev2851 did you turn on the extra setting in the options (specifically for voice chat)
"Streamlined Push to Talk"
@@ravncs yes, its turned on, you think that's the problem?
EDIT: nvm its off
Give it a try, maybe it solves your problem
i only get this for a few secs after alt+tabing
Ye it only last for up to 10 seconds
if update didn't come because of you..
I feel like today is a good day :)
yesyes
lamborghini
I wish, not even the screenshot is a real Lambo 😂👍
Was a render I made for a project
When the game is being alt tabbed from or to it "freezes", so people with bad pcs that experience freezes mid-game, like me, are also affected… so it turns out we need to wait a few seconds after a freeze before fighting anyone =\
Oh damn that sounds even worse xd
i'm using a "de-subtick" config, it's a night and day difference, making it a bit like csgo shooting
I haven't tried that yet, I should definitely give it a try
@@ravncs i can link you my zip file with the instructions if u want, they're pretty hard to find rn
@@MasterOctavian could you paste it here?
@@faa- emailed it to you, and to ravn sent friend request on steam
@@MasterOctavian id be interested in this
best
This is related to the new anti cheat , the game keep scanning the game memory thinking u tabing out for cheats or pulling it out the cheats menu , its a new way of detecting cheats , from my research’s and tests it seems like the game and the score board ( tab menu ) are two seperate thing , to make easier the tab is like a different app that needs to collect info from the game then show u the scores and all that , thats why when u tab u get input lag , its hard to explain but they trying to seperate or spread the data runing in the memory to make it harder for people to make cheats
blatant misinformation
I feel like this is not the cause of the delay. Otherwise everyone would experience the same issue when tabbing out, no?
@@Mikeowd you're misinformed. This has nothing to do with the anti-cheat. Valve recently pushed an update that increases the command queue size for a short amount of time if you experience any lag (including frametime spikes). This makes it so that the server receives your inputs way later than it should (up to 2 seconds). This is not only an issue when tabbing out, but also when experiencing packet loss/jitter, which to a lot of people, happens very often. Since this update, the game has been close to unplayable for people with such issues. Someone with a stable connection will only experience such issues in extreme cases (such as when tabbing out), and that's why it's not as widely reported as it should be