I can tell you immediately why you had such trouble with drivers. You installed the 64-bit version of Windows XP. That version had relatively lackluster driver support. Would be a good idea to install the 32-bit version of Windows XP the next time around.
@@TryboBike yeah, I never used XP64, only thing I heard about it was tons of driver issues. Only reason you'd use it was if you needed more than 4GB of ram, which was a rarity in the era.
Akshually, that isn't a joystick connector, it's a serial port. By that time however the need for that particular standard was waning as people moved to always on internet connections and PS/2 or USB for mice. And I recommend using the 32 bit version of Windows XP. It's 64 bit counterpart was well known for being incredibly fiddly and cumbersome when it came to driver support. There's a reasonable chance you'd get the system working with the original graphics card and onboard audio when using the 32 bit version.
The A8N32 did come with a controller port back plate with 2 USB ports (I've got the A8N-E and it has the same), controller port is the nice mustard yellow thing you can see on the left when the box is opened
I have never seen anyone use Windows XP 64bit for gaming. You should have used the 32bit version, that would probably have fixed a lot of driver struggles...
@@robindebondt4643 yeah that was a mistake. That's exactly why it was a pain in the arse... Format it and go to the 32bit (x86) version, bet the drivers will work first try.
I had severe memberberries about that case as well! I still have it stashed away somewhere. It's a black version, but otherwise identical to the one in the video.
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Black & White was just incredible. Peter Molyneux was one of the greatest game designers of that era. I remember I even had a winamp plugin in which the bear creature would dance to the sound of the music playing
"Legal shiv battle" sounds so much more interesting than "legal dispute." Also, that "it would be easier to find some approval from your parents" caught me while I was drinking soda, and I just barely stopped my laugh enough that it didn't go up my nose.
"I don't remember it running like this" That was my response to firing up my N64 and playing Perfect Dark with the increased textures/resolution. It was like 18FPS at best. Luckily you can go low res and use an upscaler.
LOL! This was the typical experience building your own PC back in the early 2000s. So much bending over backwards to get things to work and drivers to install. It took hours and hours. It was glorious. Nowadays, things just work, and well, it is more glorious.
@@C4nn15And Intel is trying to get some CIA contracts with their spontaneously combusting CPUs. Meanwhile AMD gave up on high end and nVidia gave up on putting VRAM on cards because who needs VRAM anyways?
My steam account was made on September 15th 2003 and I had so many PC's that I built I cannot remember. I was even doing case mods back then where I cut out designs on the side of my case then I would put lights inside. I know I have pictures of it somewhere!
Man I remember playing Day of Defeat source in like 2006 on a Sony Vaio desktop. I think I got like 30fps and thought the experience was great. Still would clap in that and CS: source. This video brought me back. Love your content!
I like having a little insight to Dawid's interests. The sim rig episodes were sweet as a sim racer myself. Speaking of old games that won't get digital releases, anyone play Mercs 2 on modern PCs?
I built a DIY PC for the first time right around 2005. It had a similar motherboard with that copper heatpipe and an Athlon 64 with a Zalman cooler. The airflow on the case was awful. I had to play Oblivion with the side of the case off and a floor fan blowing into the open side of the case. I think i also had an SLI mobo but never got more than one video card. It just wasn't worth it. But i got many nostalgia feels from your video Dawid, thanks! (Especially the ATI video card with the sci-fi lady on it.)
Congrats on 699K subscribers at the time of this writing. Great content. Man back then I could not even imagine let alone dream of graphics like black and white. I was stuck with the family computer a 1998 compaq.
That case brings back some memories I remember my Dad built himself a gaming PC in that case with a dual core AMD CPU and dual Nvidia 8600 GPUs in SLI and he played a lot of trackmania nations. I also remember always wanting to play Black and White myself but I never had it or a PC that could run it at the time.
8:40 - if you want maximum strength for the part, you're going to want to print it on its side instead of flat against the bed. I would also print it in ABS; PLA is likely to warp (pressure at 50-60C is going to warp PLA). PETG will get you a bit more temp resistance, but not much.
Never played Black and White but my favorite game of all time is also from Peter Molyneux. Dungeon Keeper! Which it still has an active community behind it
Mine was Myth the fallen lords. Then Eidos release Myth 2 shorthly after as games didn't take a decade to make. Real time tactic with disructable/deformable land. Perfection!
I can't remember what CPU I had but I bought Battlefield 2 and couldn't play it, because my graphics card wasn't able to do Hardware T&L, which was some fancy light and shadow stuff. Because of that I bought two 7800GTX (stock cooler ones) and LOVED playing Battlefield 2.
Pretty sure I was using an Intel P5 3200 and an ATI 9700 during this time. 40-50 FPS in Battlefield at 1280x1024 was the kind of peak performance I could afford back then. Very soon after I had my first top-tier video card, the legendary Geforce 8800 GT, and I think I paid $700 for it. I'll never forget walking out of Fry's with that video card, I was so happy.
I just found ATI X1950 XTX 512Mb GDDR4 card at recycling centre and had to save it :D Gotta give it some love and see if it works! I mean that GDDR4 in itself is rare AF, such a specimen, beast of ye olden days!
OMG, I used to have this (almost) exact same system! I built in that Thermaltake Tsunami Dream for over a decade! I only got rid of it when I built an i7-8700K system. LOVED that case! I even found my old ebay listings from 2009: I sold my FX-55 with cooler for $57, ASUS A8N32-SLI went for $81, 1GB kit of XMS went for $45. I had the 256mb Dell GPU but in SLI and ended up giving those away to a friend. My favorite part, hands down, was the LEDs on the RAM. Seeing activity live was so cool to show off at LANs lol SUCH a nostalgia trip!!!
I did, only way to get more than 4gb ram on XP to work. Was a baller already back then with a Pentium D. But Darwin should have waited to 2007 and gone for a c2q6600 😅
Back then I didn’t use onboard audio. Glad you found an audio card 😅 but you got lots of left overs laying around… like me. (I keep all my old parts 😂)
We are indeed absolutely and unequivocally simple men, we enjoy the finer things in life, the absolute decadence that is Dawid content. We thrive in the sublime, the silly, the fun, the tech... we enjoy watching him do tech stuff. We are simple men. Edit: I originally tried playing Black and White 1 on a computer with no graphics card, I was literally getting 1 frame per minute. I did get a GPU and it's one of my favorite games of all time. :D
This is why I keep all my old hardware and can put together an age appropriate PC going back to 1992 if required. The only issue I have is trying to game on an S3 Virge as it works just as well today as it did back then :D
Back in 2004 my friend ordered the Tsunami case you have in the video. It was a day before the big tsunami in Asia hit. He was never allowed to order a case again.
The hard drive bays are in front of the fan on purpose. Don't forget that mechanical drives can get pretty hot, and back in the day it was pretty common to need 2/3/4 drives to get big enough storage. Put 4 drives there and suddenly the fan is mandatory to prevent the hard drives cooking themselves.
I remember when this game came out but I never played it. I have it downloaded onto some classic Macintosh computers right now. I plan to run through my first playthrough on OS9. Dual 1.7 GHz Quicksilver G4 with a x850 XTPE. All custom built
Damn, tech advanced fast. In 2005, I still had a Pentium 4 1.7Ghz, 256Mb Ram and a Radeon 9000 64Mb 😂. I still have it a storage. Maybe one day will I'll try and find out what's been, all of a sudden in 2007, killing my hdd's, clicking noise of death after a couple of days of use.
Small tip for Thingiverse: When it fails to make the zip it will usually let you click the individual files in the list to download them unzipped still.
Oh man, what a trip. I had an Athlon 64 CPU and I was encouraged by Tiger Direct to use XP 64-bit edition, and that was the most horrid experience. Redo video with x32 edition.
Reminds me of the day I decided to repaste my rtx 3060 and the cable connector that powers the fans... broke off at the flimsy plug. Spent a couple hours trying to fix the connection without any good micro tools, finally got it seated without issue, now I know never to unplug those connectors when I take apart that card. In 2005 I had a sony Vaio desktop with an MX420 in it... Played OG CoD and Day of Defeat. Great times.
I remember playing black and white on my "top of the line" 2003-2004 build, i legit spent more on that computer than i did on my car at the time. Good old Pentium 4 extreme and a Radeon 9800xt, i remember bragging to my buddies about how it was 3ghz and had hyperthreading 😂 Was like sitting next to a space heater. Kinda wish i had hung on to the hardware now though, the motherboard alone still goes for like $300, but my friend group has always passed on our older hardware to whoever in the group needed the upgrade. Plus that was also the capacitor plague era so the majority of that hardware died an early death, and it was before i had picked up the soldering skills to change the caps. Was one of my favorite times for pc gaming though, young enough to game half the night after putting in a full day at work, no kids yet to steal my free time, and still willing to live on a ramen diet so i could afford computer parts and new games 😂
I literally buy packs of those motherboards speakers and keep them in my little "junk" drawers. I install one into every PC I build/work on.. A few cents to save so much pain.
One thing to remember about that era is that people didn't make as big a deal about frame rates. Most people never even looked at them. You just tried to get the game to a smooth, usable experience and went on from there. This game probably wasn't intended to run higher than 30 FPS and hardly anybody cared. 720p was also a good resolution for the time. 1080p was considered ultra tier, and 720 was one step below that.
In 2005 i had saved enough money as a 13 year old to build my first pc. The specs: Athlon 64 4000+, 2gb ddr1 ram, Geforce 6600GT 256mb gpu, 74gb WD raptor hdd, ASUS m-atx motherboard. I still use this pc for retro gaming, the only thing i had to replace (4 times already) is the psu.
@@volvo09 Until a few years ago I always used the PSUs that came with the case (Aopen PSUs) to keep the PC as original as possible. You can hardly find these anymore, so for 6 years now there has been a Corsair PSU in it that continues to work fine. I am already happy that the HDD still works and the SMART is still OK.
@@Mother_Mercury I wanted one of those raptor drives back then, but I couldn't afford it. Glad to hear you are still using it. Is the CPU at stock clocks?
@@volvo09 I have never overclocked the CPU. I really don't dare to do that now because I don't know how stable the motherboard is. The Athlon 64 4000+ can hardly be overclocked if I understand correctly because it is already on the edge of what the chip can handle. The Raptor has never been a good decision to buy. the hard drive does spin at 10,000 rpm, but it is not really much faster than a 'normal hard drive' and makes a lot of noise. Only the access time is a tiny bit better. I had a 250gb 7200rpm hard drive in this pc for a while, but I didn't notice any difference in loading games.
I bought one of those boards, an AMD Opteron 185 and 2 nVidia GeForce 7950 GTs a few years ago, when they were quite a bit cheaper, but the system never felt really that fast, so it is now collecting dust in my basement until I decide to sell it.
Reminds me of my first gaming pc. It had a Ati Radeon 9600 128mb card and 512mb of ram. All tucked into an old Antec server case that Alienware rebadged for their older setups. Still couldn’t get anywhere near Stormwind without massive lag in WoW though
I just took an older dell Optiplex office PC and an SSD and loaded Windows XP onto that. I believe XP drivers work on up to 4th gen Intel chips, getting the drivers is the hardest part but I figured it out at one point. Threw in a GT730 which is weak by today’s standards but for a windows XP computer, it’s god tier. All in, it cost me like $60. Runs everything AMAZINGLY. I love playing my old games like Mechwarrior 3 from time to time.
I played this exact game, with a pc built in a simillar case too: the thermaltake shark, on a 1600x900 monitor. The pc was pretty high end back then, 512mb vram and all. My grandpa built it for me. Such good memories.
Hey Dawid, the fans in the front of those cases weren't really for general airflow, they were to cool the hard drives in that bay. How our needs have changed, eh?
Had the same board and CPU but used a Gainward 7800 GTX GS for about a year before getting another one for some SLI action. The case was from Thermaltake and it was one of the first with a toolless design. It had those green and purple clamps and twisty knobs. Thermaltake Soprano if I remember correctly. The hinged front cover had almost a wave like profile which I found to look so stunning at the time after using greyish beige cases for over ten years. Being able to see the insides of my system was also mind-blowing back then. This PC was in use in my family for almost 6 years, which was unheard of at the time, before one of the GPUs broke and I sold the rest of the system for 100€ 😅 the PC was a beast, great memories ❤ Edit: Have you tried Snappy Driver Installer? Maybe that would have made the whole driver installation process a bit easier? 🤷
so like your brother you not getting another video card. even if that other one shows up chances are it wont work. you have to love how back then a lot of games came with video setting options that no one could ever run
you may have forgotten to install the motherboard drivers first. install motherboard driver>install gpu driver>install audio driver (if mobo driver did not install it yet) should be the order when dealing with older OSes
I have almost the same hardware as my XP retro system... but I put it in a modern Fractal Design Pop Air case, RGB case fans, same Wraith Prism CPU cooler and sleeved cable extensions, so it looks like a fancy new PC from the outside but then you realize all the internals are from 2005... Athlon 64 X2 4400+ on a DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR, 2GB of DDR-400 and a 7800 GTX I refurbished myself (had a failed VRM MOSFET). It's a lot of fun to keep this old hardware alive and in a state like it would have been 20 years ago.
I honestly can't remember what I was rocking at that time 😂 I know my first PC had a Socket 939, which very quickly afterwards became obsolete. I'm pretty sure my first GPU was some real budget passively cooled Nvidia card. Could have been a FX5600, that name kinda rings a bell. I played mainly Counter-Strike 1.5/6, WoW and stuff like that. I've had a Radeon 4770, with a real nice Waifu cooler on it at some point 😂 I believe I still have that card in storage as well 😅
I had the solid side version of this case with MATCHING silver floppy drive and MATCHING silver dvd writer. I wish I still had that case, it was pretty cool.
@@nephrium wow, getting a matching drive was a rarity! I still have my 2005 era case, I went with black so my drives would match. Although I don't have the original mobo in it... It was an AM1 AMD Opteron 144 with a decent overclock, built on a discount when AM2 was out.
I loved those games! Can't remember which shipped with my "AR/VR" glove that I used to play the game with... Once. It was really cool controlling the hand in the game with my own hand. But it got very heavy very fast keeping your hand suspended in the air in front of you all the time.
This is a super interesting video with all this old hardware. Seeing an Athlon 64 under a Wraith cooler is poetic af. AM4 Ryzen fitting the ol 939 socket. Like it was meant to be!
Interesting you are building almost the exact same system I still have and yes it still works. Try again with WinXp 32bit this will solve almost all of the issues 👍 PS: I also still have all the past drivers backed up (somewhere lol).
What material did you use to print that bracket? I doubt PLA will survive long. PETG might be ok for a while. ABS would be better, or even the CF enforced material. Regardless, I'd try to find an original spare.
Black and White! I haven't thought of that game in so long! I loved those games! I think you triggered my PTSD of building gaming systems back then. lol
was there a particular reason for going that old because I had a core duo on DDR2 and a GTX 285 (all much easier and cheaper to acquire)and I know Black and white 2 worked on that as i had the game. Isn't more about the operating system than the hardware so a duel boot on a modern system on windows XP Home should work.
Hey! Free Spider! Ah yes, when Hardware T&L was the raytracing of yore. All that hair and grass. Didn't really get into Black and white, I did play the first one don't think I had heard of them making a sequel.
I love your videos. I'm glad it's not just me that seems to have issues when setting up retro stuff. A couple of comments if I may: that's not a gameport, it looks like it's serial. And 64 bit version of Windows XP? You should have gone with regular 32 bit! I'm pretty sure half the issues you were having was because of that.
Damn, I want to go back and play Black & White again. My cousin and I spent dozens of hours playing both the first and second games and they were fantastic! I think I even still have my old copy of 2 at my parents house somewhere!
I loved playing B&W back in the day. And then I got a new PC and it stopped working working on it. I hope on a remaster. But that‘ll probably take a while. 😭
I can tell you immediately why you had such trouble with drivers. You installed the 64-bit version of Windows XP. That version had relatively lackluster driver support. Would be a good idea to install the 32-bit version of Windows XP the next time around.
Yes, 64-bit XP is a unicorn. Do not install it, guys.
Vista 64bit Was the first usable 64bit OS
@dabigbadwolf5081 I had 32bit vista on laptop )
@@dimancor2925 Same.
@@dabigbadwolf5081 Yep, that's why I went to Vista over XP - for 64-bit support.
The driver issue was probably because of 64 bit XP - which was pretty poorly supported.
@@TryboBike yeah, I never used XP64, only thing I heard about it was tons of driver issues.
Only reason you'd use it was if you needed more than 4GB of ram, which was a rarity in the era.
Yeah, I was wondering why he went with 64 bit. It was only needed for more than 4GB RAM and only the gods had more than that back then.
Knew he'd suffer the moment I saw the 64 bit logo. Breaks the whole build over the knee and is likely the culprit for the abysmal performance too.
Akshually, that isn't a joystick connector, it's a serial port. By that time however the need for that particular standard was waning as people moved to always on internet connections and PS/2 or USB for mice.
And I recommend using the 32 bit version of Windows XP. It's 64 bit counterpart was well known for being incredibly fiddly and cumbersome when it came to driver support. There's a reasonable chance you'd get the system working with the original graphics card and onboard audio when using the 32 bit version.
The A8N32 did come with a controller port back plate with 2 USB ports (I've got the A8N-E and it has the same), controller port is the nice mustard yellow thing you can see on the left when the box is opened
Akshually, it's a DE-9 connector. Commonly misidentified as a DB-9 connector, "Serial Port" or "COM Port".
@@grantsutherland203 Yes and the controller port is a DA-15... (and the ASUS manual calls the backplate with the DE-9 a " Serial port module")
This. I was sure someone was ahead of me. Gameport had more pins :)
True
Don't use XP 64 Bit. It's 2003 in disguise. 32 Bits is the version everyone used and the one you want. All your driver problems should be gone, too.
Yeah, XP 32-bit is the way to go.
You ca run it on modern systems, you just need to do the right searches.
Lackluster driver support for XP 64
I have never seen anyone use Windows XP 64bit for gaming. You should have used the 32bit version, that would probably have fixed a lot of driver struggles...
Why the hell did you install the x64 version of XP, no wonder you had driver issues
@@robindebondt4643 yeah that was a mistake.
That's exactly why it was a pain in the arse... Format it and go to the 32bit (x86) version, bet the drivers will work first try.
@@volvo09the game will probably run better too.
This 100%, 64bit operating systems back then were a complete nightmare for gaming and driver support. I'm surprised the game even launched!
XP x64 was the ME of 2006 lmao
lucky he did not install the correct version of the drivers 😂 x86
I still have the original copy of Black & White.
Solid motherboard bro
Can you sell it to me?
I had that case! This is such a throwback. Black and White 1 & 2, red Alert 2, Yuris revenge, etc. What a time to be young.
What about C&C Generals and Zero Hour? My favs of all time!
I had severe memberberries about that case as well! I still have it stashed away somewhere. It's a black version, but otherwise identical to the one in the video.
Black & White was just incredible. Peter Molyneux was one of the greatest game designers of that era. I remember I even had a winamp plugin in which the bear creature would dance to the sound of the music playing
I havnt had a video make me smile this much in a long time. This was a fantastic idea for a video!!! Loved every minute of this!!!!
"Legal shiv battle" sounds so much more interesting than "legal dispute."
Also, that "it would be easier to find some approval from your parents" caught me while I was drinking soda, and I just barely stopped my laugh enough that it didn't go up my nose.
"I don't remember it running like this"
That was my response to firing up my N64 and playing Perfect Dark with the increased textures/resolution. It was like 18FPS at best. Luckily you can go low res and use an upscaler.
LOL! This was the typical experience building your own PC back in the early 2000s. So much bending over backwards to get things to work and drivers to install. It took hours and hours. It was glorious.
Nowadays, things just work, and well, it is more glorious.
Yeah, seems AMD still hasn't got the drivers right :).
@@C4nn15And Intel is trying to get some CIA contracts with their spontaneously combusting CPUs. Meanwhile AMD gave up on high end and nVidia gave up on putting VRAM on cards because who needs VRAM anyways?
Built my first PC around this era, maybe 2006-2007. Extremely fond memories of this time!
My steam account was made on September 15th 2003 and I had so many PC's that I built I cannot remember. I was even doing case mods back then where I cut out designs on the side of my case then I would put lights inside. I know I have pictures of it somewhere!
Man I remember playing Day of Defeat source in like 2006 on a Sony Vaio desktop. I think I got like 30fps and thought the experience was great. Still would clap in that and CS: source. This video brought me back. Love your content!
I like having a little insight to Dawid's interests. The sim rig episodes were sweet as a sim racer myself.
Speaking of old games that won't get digital releases, anyone play Mercs 2 on modern PCs?
I'm all for Dawid building more retro systems and watching him struggle with old tech. Do a win98 system next!
I built a DIY PC for the first time right around 2005. It had a similar motherboard with that copper heatpipe and an Athlon 64 with a Zalman cooler. The airflow on the case was awful. I had to play Oblivion with the side of the case off and a floor fan blowing into the open side of the case. I think i also had an SLI mobo but never got more than one video card. It just wasn't worth it. But i got many nostalgia feels from your video Dawid, thanks! (Especially the ATI video card with the sci-fi lady on it.)
Thanks Dawid. Loved B&W when it came out.... man I'm getting old.
Congrats on 699K subscribers at the time of this writing. Great content. Man back then I could not even imagine let alone dream of graphics like black and white. I was stuck with the family computer a 1998 compaq.
That case brings back some memories I remember my Dad built himself a gaming PC in that case with a dual core AMD CPU and dual Nvidia 8600 GPUs in SLI and he played a lot of trackmania nations. I also remember always wanting to play Black and White myself but I never had it or a PC that could run it at the time.
21:58 lollllllllll! A computer that implements dawid even in 2005!!!!
8:40 - if you want maximum strength for the part, you're going to want to print it on its side instead of flat against the bed.
I would also print it in ABS; PLA is likely to warp (pressure at 50-60C is going to warp PLA). PETG will get you a bit more temp resistance, but not much.
Never played Black and White but my favorite game of all time is also from Peter Molyneux. Dungeon Keeper! Which it still has an active community behind it
KeeperFX changed my life
I liked both games, but I definitely put more hours into Dungeon Keeper. 👍
DK2 was my favourite, I spent so many hours playing that!
Mine was Myth the fallen lords. Then Eidos release Myth 2 shorthly after as games didn't take a decade to make. Real time tactic with disructable/deformable land. Perfection!
I can't remember what CPU I had but I bought Battlefield 2 and couldn't play it, because my graphics card wasn't able to do Hardware T&L, which was some fancy light and shadow stuff. Because of that I bought two 7800GTX (stock cooler ones) and LOVED playing Battlefield 2.
Pretty sure I was using an Intel P5 3200 and an ATI 9700 during this time. 40-50 FPS in Battlefield at 1280x1024 was the kind of peak performance I could afford back then. Very soon after I had my first top-tier video card, the legendary Geforce 8800 GT, and I think I paid $700 for it. I'll never forget walking out of Fry's with that video card, I was so happy.
I just found ATI X1950 XTX 512Mb GDDR4 card at recycling centre and had to save it :D Gotta give it some love and see if it works! I mean that GDDR4 in itself is rare AF, such a specimen, beast of ye olden days!
OMG, I used to have this (almost) exact same system! I built in that Thermaltake Tsunami Dream for over a decade! I only got rid of it when I built an i7-8700K system. LOVED that case!
I even found my old ebay listings from 2009: I sold my FX-55 with cooler for $57, ASUS A8N32-SLI went for $81, 1GB kit of XMS went for $45. I had the 256mb Dell GPU but in SLI and ended up giving those away to a friend. My favorite part, hands down, was the LEDs on the RAM. Seeing activity live was so cool to show off at LANs lol SUCH a nostalgia trip!!!
Windows XP x64 Edition? Has anyone seriously used it? And a AMD X2 CPU would have been still period correct, released in may before B&W2...
I did, only way to get more than 4gb ram on XP to work. Was a baller already back then with a Pentium D. But Darwin should have waited to 2007 and gone for a c2q6600 😅
Back then I didn’t use onboard audio. Glad you found an audio card 😅 but you got lots of left overs laying around… like me. (I keep all my old parts 😂)
We are indeed absolutely and unequivocally simple men, we enjoy the finer things in life, the absolute decadence that is Dawid content. We thrive in the sublime, the silly, the fun, the tech... we enjoy watching him do tech stuff. We are simple men.
Edit: I originally tried playing Black and White 1 on a computer with no graphics card, I was literally getting 1 frame per minute. I did get a GPU and it's one of my favorite games of all time. :D
This is why I keep all my old hardware and can put together an age appropriate PC going back to 1992 if required. The only issue I have is trying to game on an S3 Virge as it works just as well today as it did back then :D
Back in 2004 my friend ordered the Tsunami case you have in the video. It was a day before the big tsunami in Asia hit. He was never allowed to order a case again.
I'm shocked using duct tape wasn't your "brilliant idea" ... very disappointed, lol.
15:27
Fun fact: HDD temperatures above 45°C are not recommended. Invest in a case with good HDD cooling if you don't plan to go with only SSDs
The hard drive bays are in front of the fan on purpose. Don't forget that mechanical drives can get pretty hot, and back in the day it was pretty common to need 2/3/4 drives to get big enough storage. Put 4 drives there and suddenly the fan is mandatory to prevent the hard drives cooking themselves.
Black and White has one of the best game intros for a game, great developer team in its day Lionhead studios
I remember when this game came out but I never played it. I have it downloaded onto some classic Macintosh computers right now. I plan to run through my first playthrough on OS9. Dual 1.7 GHz Quicksilver G4 with a x850 XTPE. All custom built
Damn, tech advanced fast. In 2005, I still had a Pentium 4 1.7Ghz, 256Mb Ram and a Radeon 9000 64Mb 😂. I still have it a storage. Maybe one day will I'll try and find out what's been, all of a sudden in 2007, killing my hdd's, clicking noise of death after a couple of days of use.
B&W was a great game! Was able to load my copy onto a 2016 Inspiron laptop.
Small tip for Thingiverse: When it fails to make the zip it will usually let you click the individual files in the list to download them unzipped still.
I have the gloss black version of that case for my XP Era build, and I love the design of it
Oh man, what a trip. I had an Athlon 64 CPU and I was encouraged by Tiger Direct to use XP 64-bit edition, and that was the most horrid experience. Redo video with x32 edition.
hahaha omg your relief at 19:26 is so real. Very nice work Dawid and those parts def came in clutch. Congrats on another amazing video man!
Reminds me of the day I decided to repaste my rtx 3060 and the cable connector that powers the fans... broke off at the flimsy plug. Spent a couple hours trying to fix the connection without any good micro tools, finally got it seated without issue, now I know never to unplug those connectors when I take apart that card.
In 2005 I had a sony Vaio desktop with an MX420 in it... Played OG CoD and Day of Defeat. Great times.
The sound all of us make when everything was for not.
@ that sounds like a nightmare. Glad to hear you were able to recover it.
I remember playing black and white on my "top of the line" 2003-2004 build, i legit spent more on that computer than i did on my car at the time.
Good old Pentium 4 extreme and a Radeon 9800xt, i remember bragging to my buddies about how it was 3ghz and had hyperthreading 😂
Was like sitting next to a space heater. Kinda wish i had hung on to the hardware now though, the motherboard alone still goes for like $300, but my friend group has always passed on our older hardware to whoever in the group needed the upgrade. Plus that was also the capacitor plague era so the majority of that hardware died an early death, and it was before i had picked up the soldering skills to change the caps. Was one of my favorite times for pc gaming though, young enough to game half the night after putting in a full day at work, no kids yet to steal my free time, and still willing to live on a ramen diet so i could afford computer parts and new games 😂
Going for period correct and uses a Wraith cooler. Drop a GT 710 in there and an SSD, and use 32bit XP. Mind Blown. Good video!
Love the smoke for dramatic effect
Black and White and Black and White 2 are amazing games that need to be released. It's my gaming white whale.
I literally buy packs of those motherboards speakers and keep them in my little "junk" drawers. I install one into every PC I build/work on.. A few cents to save so much pain.
One thing to remember about that era is that people didn't make as big a deal about frame rates. Most people never even looked at them. You just tried to get the game to a smooth, usable experience and went on from there. This game probably wasn't intended to run higher than 30 FPS and hardly anybody cared. 720p was also a good resolution for the time. 1080p was considered ultra tier, and 720 was one step below that.
In 2005 i had saved enough money as a 13 year old to build my first pc. The specs: Athlon 64 4000+, 2gb ddr1 ram, Geforce 6600GT 256mb gpu, 74gb WD raptor hdd, ASUS m-atx motherboard. I still use this pc for retro gaming, the only thing i had to replace (4 times already) is the psu.
Wow, that's bad luck with the PSU!
My 2005 era PSU finally died 2 years ago, and it was the cheap no name one that came included with the case 😂
@@volvo09 Until a few years ago I always used the PSUs that came with the case (Aopen PSUs) to keep the PC as original as possible. You can hardly find these anymore, so for 6 years now there has been a Corsair PSU in it that continues to work fine. I am already happy that the HDD still works and the SMART is still OK.
@@Mother_Mercury I wanted one of those raptor drives back then, but I couldn't afford it. Glad to hear you are still using it.
Is the CPU at stock clocks?
Currently using a Seasonic SS-600ET with my mid-2000s Athlon 64 X2 4800+ machine. Same GPU though (an XFX variant).
@@volvo09 I have never overclocked the CPU. I really don't dare to do that now because I don't know how stable the motherboard is. The Athlon 64 4000+ can hardly be overclocked if I understand correctly because it is already on the edge of what the chip can handle. The Raptor has never been a good decision to buy. the hard drive does spin at 10,000 rpm, but it is not really much faster than a 'normal hard drive' and makes a lot of noise. Only the access time is a tiny bit better. I had a 250gb 7200rpm hard drive in this pc for a while, but I didn't notice any difference in loading games.
I bought one of those boards, an AMD Opteron 185 and 2 nVidia GeForce 7950 GTs a few years ago, when they were quite a bit cheaper, but the system never felt really that fast, so it is now collecting dust in my basement until I decide to sell it.
just got my ram situated 64 gb of ddr5, man computers came a long way thats more than the hard drives back then had lol
Windows XP can go up to a GTX 960 for graphics. I recently played Black and White 2 on an XP machine at 1080p with a GTX 780 and an AMD FX 6350.
Reminds me of my first gaming pc. It had a Ati Radeon 9600 128mb card and 512mb of ram. All tucked into an old Antec server case that Alienware rebadged for their older setups. Still couldn’t get anywhere near Stormwind without massive lag in WoW though
I just took an older dell Optiplex office PC and an SSD and loaded Windows XP onto that. I believe XP drivers work on up to 4th gen Intel chips, getting the drivers is the hardest part but I figured it out at one point. Threw in a GT730 which is weak by today’s standards but for a windows XP computer, it’s god tier. All in, it cost me like $60.
Runs everything AMAZINGLY. I love playing my old games like Mechwarrior 3 from time to time.
I love b&w series so much I wish they’d make another one 🙏
I played this exact game, with a pc built in a simillar case too: the thermaltake shark, on a 1600x900 monitor. The pc was pretty high end back then, 512mb vram and all. My grandpa built it for me. Such good memories.
Hey Dawid, the fans in the front of those cases weren't really for general airflow, they were to cool the hard drives in that bay. How our needs have changed, eh?
Need a Zalman flower cooler on that beastie.
Had the same board and CPU but used a Gainward 7800 GTX GS for about a year before getting another one for some SLI action. The case was from Thermaltake and it was one of the first with a toolless design. It had those green and purple clamps and twisty knobs. Thermaltake Soprano if I remember correctly. The hinged front cover had almost a wave like profile which I found to look so stunning at the time after using greyish beige cases for over ten years. Being able to see the insides of my system was also mind-blowing back then. This PC was in use in my family for almost 6 years, which was unheard of at the time, before one of the GPUs broke and I sold the rest of the system for 100€ 😅 the PC was a beast, great memories ❤
Edit: Have you tried Snappy Driver Installer? Maybe that would have made the whole driver installation process a bit easier? 🤷
It is criminal that this game isn't on Steam or anything
so like your brother you not getting another video card. even if that other one shows up chances are it wont work. you have to love how back then a lot of games came with video setting options that no one could ever run
you may have forgotten to install the motherboard drivers first. install motherboard driver>install gpu driver>install audio driver (if mobo driver did not install it yet) should be the order when dealing with older OSes
I have almost the same hardware as my XP retro system... but I put it in a modern Fractal Design Pop Air case, RGB case fans, same Wraith Prism CPU cooler and sleeved cable extensions, so it looks like a fancy new PC from the outside but then you realize all the internals are from 2005... Athlon 64 X2 4400+ on a DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR, 2GB of DDR-400 and a 7800 GTX I refurbished myself (had a failed VRM MOSFET).
It's a lot of fun to keep this old hardware alive and in a state like it would have been 20 years ago.
Loads of fun ... But, you kinda shot yourself in the foot with the 64bit XP. Go with a 32bit install and that ATI will work like a champ.
Genuine approval from your parents hahaha that one made me laugh for than it should of.
I miss the OG studios that all got bought out/shut down.
In this episode - Dawid's GPU hoarding obsession saves the day... Further enabling the hoarding.
I honestly can't remember what I was rocking at that time 😂 I know my first PC had a Socket 939, which very quickly afterwards became obsolete. I'm pretty sure my first GPU was some real budget passively cooled Nvidia card. Could have been a FX5600, that name kinda rings a bell.
I played mainly Counter-Strike 1.5/6, WoW and stuff like that.
I've had a Radeon 4770, with a real nice Waifu cooler on it at some point 😂 I believe I still have that card in storage as well 😅
Block and white was definitely my favorite! Good god times! 😂
I had the solid side version of this case with MATCHING silver floppy drive and MATCHING silver dvd writer. I wish I still had that case, it was pretty cool.
@@nephrium wow, getting a matching drive was a rarity!
I still have my 2005 era case, I went with black so my drives would match.
Although I don't have the original mobo in it... It was an AM1 AMD Opteron 144 with a decent overclock, built on a discount when AM2 was out.
Great video 👌
Yeah, try doing a follow-up sometimes with Xp32 and that Radeon. I think the results will be quite a bit different.
I loved those games! Can't remember which shipped with my "AR/VR" glove that I used to play the game with... Once. It was really cool controlling the hand in the game with my own hand. But it got very heavy very fast keeping your hand suspended in the air in front of you all the time.
I can imagine that getting old fast!
2:50 as a person that uses a crap ton of monitors, an extra PCIe slot has always been a life saver
The Thermaltake Tsunami,what a nice case that was-at that time.front was a nice slab of aluminium.
I thought I was the only one who played that game, I loved it .
This is a super interesting video with all this old hardware. Seeing an Athlon 64 under a Wraith cooler is poetic af. AM4 Ryzen fitting the ol 939 socket. Like it was meant to be!
that 100% cpu and 0% gpu smells like software rendering
Sound Blaster Sound Card, Baby. And an EVGA Liquid Cooled 980TI with a 21% CRT Monitor. It's the ultimate BEAST - or bust...
i have something similar ;-)
On a mini itx Q9400 with 8gb of ddr3.
Just because you can.
yep, why not, but I hope you have a Windows XP 32 bit on it ;-)
Entertaining and a man of culture i love black and white
oh boy, here to watch the funny tech man early
Lmao the second I heard this sentence at 17:44 I opened up the comments and the top 3 immediately confirmed Dawid’s predictions
Oh my god - I had an X1900XTX. It was a beast!
that case is amazing ngl
A man of determination and sheer f*kn will!
Oh shit im soooooo excited i only played it on a PC that could barely run it
Your so close to 700k!
Interesting you are building almost the exact same system I still have and yes it still works.
Try again with WinXp 32bit this will solve almost all of the issues 👍
PS: I also still have all the past drivers backed up (somewhere lol).
What material did you use to print that bracket? I doubt PLA will survive long. PETG might be ok for a while. ABS would be better, or even the CF enforced material. Regardless, I'd try to find an original spare.
Black and White! I haven't thought of that game in so long! I loved those games! I think you triggered my PTSD of building gaming systems back then. lol
I unironically use that case as a bedside table
was there a particular reason for going that old because I had a core duo on DDR2 and a GTX 285 (all much easier and cheaper to acquire)and I know Black and white 2 worked on that as i had the game. Isn't more about the operating system than the hardware so a duel boot on a modern system on windows XP Home should work.
Hey! Free Spider!
Ah yes, when Hardware T&L was the raytracing of yore. All that hair and grass.
Didn't really get into Black and white, I did play the first one don't think I had heard of them making a sequel.
I love your videos. I'm glad it's not just me that seems to have issues when setting up retro stuff. A couple of comments if I may: that's not a gameport, it looks like it's serial. And 64 bit version of Windows XP? You should have gone with regular 32 bit! I'm pretty sure half the issues you were having was because of that.
My guy I can't even remember 2005. One day I feel like a fossil and the other I feel like an infant.
Damn, I want to go back and play Black & White again. My cousin and I spent dozens of hours playing both the first and second games and they were fantastic!
I think I even still have my old copy of 2 at my parents house somewhere!
I loved playing B&W back in the day. And then I got a new PC and it stopped working working on it. I hope on a remaster. But that‘ll probably take a while. 😭