Ableism: The One Accusation Vegans Can’t Ignore?

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 876

  • @ed.winters
    @ed.winters  7 місяців тому +53

    🌺Get 30% off Wild here (for 48 hours) by using the code ED30: bit.ly/edwinterswild - as always, a big thank you to Wild for supporting the channel! I'd love to know your thoughts on what arguments from both the left and the right I should cover next so let me know down in the comments.

    • @v.a.n.e.
      @v.a.n.e. 7 місяців тому

      I am surprised by your claim that veganism 'protects' non-human animals. that's simply not true, such a claim makes you non-vegan

    • @LouisGedo
      @LouisGedo 7 місяців тому +3

      👋

    • @masenkoua3930
      @masenkoua3930 7 місяців тому

      I am vegan for the tyranny

    • @LouisGedo
      @LouisGedo 7 місяців тому +3

      SHARED

    • @v.a.n.e.
      @v.a.n.e. 7 місяців тому

      @@yogaofhealth1800 obviously not true. that's not the reason 800 million people are experiencing chronic starvation. the reason for their starvation is extreme poverty and harsh living conditions. you're engaging in speculations. no bueno.

  • @bexie1992
    @bexie1992 7 місяців тому +775

    Wheelchair user, fibromyalgia, autistic, adhd, cpstd and dyslexic. And I've been vegan for over three years.

    • @v.a.n.e.
      @v.a.n.e. 7 місяців тому +13

      don't worry, veganism is curable.

    • @masenkoua3930
      @masenkoua3930 7 місяців тому +49

      cool🌱

    • @thatsalt1560
      @thatsalt1560 7 місяців тому +1

      Also disabled and vegan for three years. I'm so happy about my decision to be vegan, but apparently "ableists" need to protect me from my own decisions? I hate when people choose to represent me like that. I'm a unique person. I'm not a disability.

    • @user-qx5yb3kc8f
      @user-qx5yb3kc8f 7 місяців тому +2

      Detox from heavy metals

    • @user-qx5yb3kc8f
      @user-qx5yb3kc8f 7 місяців тому

      Detox from heavy metals

  • @RiddimKingdom
    @RiddimKingdom 7 місяців тому +402

    This whole trope of veganism being racist or ableist is absolutely vile.

    • @GregOrCreg
      @GregOrCreg 7 місяців тому +91

      I don't like to generalise, but I suspect that the average ethical vegan is more committed to combating racism and ableism than the average meat-eater, because, logically-speaking, people who are compassionate to one group tend to be compassionate to others.

    • @darrenchandlercoaching
      @darrenchandlercoaching 7 місяців тому +12

      Absolutely!@@GregOrCreg

    • @NeutralMjolkHotel
      @NeutralMjolkHotel 7 місяців тому +21

      @@GregOrCregYep, you’re spot on. Injustice in all forms should be fought. Humans fall under the animal kingdom too. It baffles me when some of my more progressively active friends don’t even want to talk about veganism and the atrocities of animal farming.

    • @user-gu9yq5sj7c
      @user-gu9yq5sj7c 7 місяців тому +12

      @@GregOrCreg BitesizeVegan has a video on data saying vegans were less prejudice towards people, such as with racism, etc. I'm not saying that's true or not, but people can check out the video and data.
      I'm not trying to generalize, but I've noticed nonvegans talk about hierarchy a lot. Such as saying animals are inferior so therefore it's ok to exploit them and said that humans were the top of the food chain. I've noticed people who obsess with hierarchy made more comments of discrimination against people and said how some people were superior and some inferior.
      I'm not saying if their is true or not, but just something to think about and research on.
      I've also seen psychotic comments from some nonvegans.
      Example: Lifting Vegan Logic has a video on I think a yt-er named Justthefacts saying it was ok to organ harvest mentally disabled people to try to remain logically consistent. Especially when vegans bring up the argument that if some nonvegans think it's ok to exploit animals because they're dumber then what about mentally disabled people, children, and dogs?
      Strangely, I couldn't find the video when I typed in Justthefacts but I found it by searching disabled on Lifting Vegan Logic.
      Some vegans also like to use how racism and slavery were wrong to explain how animal agriculture is terrible.

    • @OrionDuCros
      @OrionDuCros 7 місяців тому +2

      You just hate black pipo

  • @discursion
    @discursion 7 місяців тому +132

    People often forget or omit the crucial *“as far as is possible and practicable”* part of veganism’s definition.

    • @howlsaur
      @howlsaur 6 місяців тому +9

      Exactly! I don't think that, for example, taking a medication that contains gelatin means that I'm not vegan.

    • @draconicdust3435
      @draconicdust3435 5 місяців тому +5

      Yeah, people seem to not understand that it's about doing minimal harm. Like if you need a life saving surgery, a certain medicine, etc. But part of it for me is just asking, is that medication vegan and is there a medication that I could take that is vegan instead if not. Your doctor can find out. It's also about making mistakes is okay. I will admit I have been vegan for years and I have accidentally taken a drink or a bite of non-vegan foods. I have accidentally bought clothing or items that aren't vegan. It's about not making the same mistake twice, it's about double checking, it's about doing your best. I know I have heard many many people say stuff along the lines of, "well that battery isn't vegan" just to be assholes, not knowing that it's not about that. It's about only buying the amount of batteries I need. rather than bulk. It's about choosing the better of two option even if both are bad.
      I know by your comment that it's not you specifically saying this, but I think it is good to break comments like this down a bit more because it helps people understand.

    • @John_Lee_
      @John_Lee_ 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@howlsaur There's no alternative for the medication?

    • @discursion
      @discursion 4 місяці тому +1

      @@draconicdust3435 That's actually pretty much what I'm saying ;)

  • @TheAndyVegan
    @TheAndyVegan 7 місяців тому +78

    "Cows milk is in everything, yet you don't hear people complaining that the dairy industry is ableist" -- So damn true. Great video Ed!

    • @HuplesCat
      @HuplesCat 6 місяців тому +4

      It is out of control. Milk is now being added to salted peanuts in Canada. Read the labels!

    • @TheAndyVegan
      @TheAndyVegan 6 місяців тому +6

      @@HuplesCat At this point I wouldn't be surprised if I turned over my chair and read "Contains milk".

    • @jeffsims8270
      @jeffsims8270 6 місяців тому

      Lol! Sad but true​@@TheAndyVegan

  • @officialasa
    @officialasa 7 місяців тому +86

    I’m blind and vegan and I approve this message

    • @leeduli
      @leeduli 7 місяців тому +5

      Asa! Your rap is amazing

    • @Sundusw
      @Sundusw 7 місяців тому +4

      🐰

    • @officialasa
      @officialasa 7 місяців тому +5

      @@SunduswI love you

    • @officialasa
      @officialasa 7 місяців тому +5

      @@leedulithank you buddy

  • @robertsleight8013
    @robertsleight8013 7 місяців тому +46

    I have got a form of muscular dystrophy. Going vegan was the best thing I have ever done for my health. I initially went vegan for ethical reasons but since then there has been an improvement in my heart function. Who would have thought that less saturated Fat and cholesterol would have been healthy.

  • @AJW2004
    @AJW2004 7 місяців тому +178

    My wife had an acquired Brain injury 10 years ago. She can no longer eat conventional food as she is peg fed. You could say that she's 'pescatarian' as the medicated food that is literally her only option has omega 3 from fish, eggs and dairy. However, she still identifies herself as vegan and will only buy and use vegan products in every other aspect of her life. She still cooks exclusively vegan food for me and our son (even though she can't eat it herself). Everyone just has to do the best they can, wherever that line is 🌱

    • @anthonydude
      @anthonydude 7 місяців тому +43

      As far as I'm concerned, she's 100% vegan 💚

    • @SSStofu008
      @SSStofu008 7 місяців тому +23

      I don’t care what she eats she is doing her best and is 100% a vegan 🌱

    • @KyouUkaru
      @KyouUkaru 7 місяців тому +10

      100% agreed

    • @user-gu9yq5sj7c
      @user-gu9yq5sj7c 7 місяців тому +10

      There's plants with omega 3.

    • @beastvg123
      @beastvg123 7 місяців тому +33

      Yeah, if the food she needs doesn't come in a Vegan version, there's nothing she can do about it. It's really admirable that she maintains her philosophy in every other aspect of her life. She's Vegan in my book.

  • @samuelmiensinompe4902
    @samuelmiensinompe4902 7 місяців тому +231

    I highly agree. I suffered brutally from a mental disorder called Tourette Syndrome when I was a kid. Today I only have OCD. Which is still bad, but not as much. I have been vegan for 36 years! There is no excuse for animal abuse!

    • @GregOrCreg
      @GregOrCreg 7 місяців тому +18

      I have OCD and Anxiety Disorder. I've been a vegetarian for 32 years, and a *proper* vegan for about 13 years (I tried to cut out dairy before that, but I was still occasionally eating foods with honey and eventually realised that I wasn't being as strict in cutting out vegetarian ready-meals that occasionally contained eggs/milk).
      In any case, veganism and disability rights are two of the things that matter the most to me. Like animals, disabled people are often disregarded and treated as if they're worth less than others.

    • @aq9415
      @aq9415 7 місяців тому +5

      The book "A Liberated Mind: The essential guide to ACT" got me out of a bad place with OCD. Might be helpful for others reading the comments.

    • @MasterMoron
      @MasterMoron 7 місяців тому

      You don't have to abuse animals to eat meat. They sell it all cut up and ready to cook at the grocery store.

    • @samuelmiensinompe4902
      @samuelmiensinompe4902 7 місяців тому +11

      @@MasterMoron are you trolling? Or you are not aware of cause and effect?

    • @xmillion1704
      @xmillion1704 7 місяців тому +5

      @@MasterMoron Did you concoct that fantastically brilliant bit of wittiness all by your little ole lonesome?

  • @corvusmonedula
    @corvusmonedula 7 місяців тому +106

    It's like saying "Well, some people can't go to the supermarket so we shouldn't build more"
    When it's the opposite. Making the world more vegan would be a big help for people who can't yet go vegan!

    • @fl.oralion
      @fl.oralion 7 місяців тому +6

      Indeed

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому

      Won't happen ,over 8 billion people are not interested in vegans

    • @caseyvenable7701
      @caseyvenable7701 7 місяців тому +12

      Right I always find this argument so silly. Just because something or someone can’t do something that means we shouldn’t, makes no sense. Not to mention it’s the government and ag industry that are the biggest culprit of food deserts. Being vegan and promoting it would promote better access to food not worsen it.

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому

      @caseyvenable7701
      No it wouldn't

    • @caseyvenable7701
      @caseyvenable7701 7 місяців тому

      @@rondarkman. K

  • @saxenart
    @saxenart 7 місяців тому +26

    I’m autistic, ADHD, and have APD (auditory processing disorder) and Vegan since 2020!

  • @CuteCatsofIstanbul
    @CuteCatsofIstanbul 7 місяців тому +203

    12 year vegan with disabling genetic and chronic illnesses - of course, it sucks that almost all meds/vaccinations/medical treatments are tested on animals and contain animal products, drastic and quick advances are needed in that field and that's part of our vegan activism. But very honestly veganism has actually helped me tremendously, mentally and physical so I now use the least amount meds I've ever taken. Of course it is not the same for everyone but for me whole food plant based foods have made a huge difference, so has the love I feel so deeply for all animals. It makes me get up in the morning (or afternoon!) and keep pushing against my disabilities. Vegan for the animals forever. ❤

    • @Macabresque
      @Macabresque 7 місяців тому +5

      This is wonderfully inspiring ❤️ Thank you for sharing your experience.

    • @Shamrock299
      @Shamrock299 7 місяців тому

      Go carnivore

    • @5fr4ewq
      @5fr4ewq 7 місяців тому +4

      ​@@Shamrock299do u mean cancer and heart attack diet?

    • @Shamrock299
      @Shamrock299 7 місяців тому

      @@5fr4ewq what?

    • @5fr4ewq
      @5fr4ewq 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Shamrock299 u read that right

  • @thatsalt1560
    @thatsalt1560 7 місяців тому +175

    Disabled from birth. I'm vegan.

    • @patrickbaklava7297
      @patrickbaklava7297 7 місяців тому +1

      I genuinly cant tell if this is a troll post or not.
      Sounds like something a Keto person would write under a vegan post to be cheeky.

    • @ronniegeorge3152
      @ronniegeorge3152 7 місяців тому +1

      that's ableist

    • @hanumaniam
      @hanumaniam 7 місяців тому +3

      Good on you 🙂👍

    • @pacmanmcgavin7034
      @pacmanmcgavin7034 7 місяців тому

      Be a man and eat some steak.@@patrickbaklava7297

    • @Daniel-of6rw
      @Daniel-of6rw 4 місяці тому

      ​@@patrickbaklava7297wat

  • @Siadking18
    @Siadking18 7 місяців тому +36

    exactly that. In veganism you want to protect all animals and people are also included. So veganism is not ableist, sexist or racist some activists are, which is not an argument for animal exploitation. I am firmly convinced that people who cannot be vegan due to restrictions will be able to be vegan in the future. And we will live in a world that will be free from any exploitation of animals and people. Thank you ed ❤

  • @magicolmos
    @magicolmos 7 місяців тому +29

    I'm my experience it's never people with disabilities arguing that veganism is ableist

    • @GregOrCreg
      @GregOrCreg 7 місяців тому +7

      Agreed.
      It strikes me as insulting to POC and disabled people (and as someone with a few mental illnesses, I arguably fall into the latter category) to argue that we intrinsically have an issue with veganism.

  • @joannh.3061
    @joannh.3061 7 місяців тому +20

    I don't want to cause pain, suffering and death to animals. i want them to live their lives.
    Label as you wish, I don't want to cause harm. Ahimsa.

  • @darrenchandlercoaching
    @darrenchandlercoaching 7 місяців тому +30

    I thought I heard every argument against veganism, but this one is completely new to me

    • @michellegower1259
      @michellegower1259 7 місяців тому

      Me to!

    • @carstenaltena
      @carstenaltena 7 місяців тому +2

      Same here. The mental gymnastics people do to justify their bad habits... just astounding.

    • @brittainscott1502
      @brittainscott1502 6 місяців тому +1

      Oh there are a bunch like this one! They make my blood boil. I hope he'll cover them all in his upcoming videos where he dissects left & right wing arguments towards veganism.

  • @azkaland
    @azkaland 7 місяців тому +5

    Autistic and adhd here, vegan for almost 10 years. So glad you brought up the "veganism is ableist" argument coming from nondisabled folks. Just like the "but food deserts" coming from people in downtown LA.
    Which actually does cross over between disabled and low income communities, as disabled people are much more likely to live in poverty - thus not having access to affordable produce, vegan alternatives, etc. It's not entirely a matter of needing to consume animal products for specific health reasons, but also a disproportionate lack of resources.

  • @dragonfan8647
    @dragonfan8647 7 місяців тому +56

    I wish people would stop using us disabled as props for their arguments. We're people too dammit

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому +1

      They do it with " black people " also

    • @tamcon72
      @tamcon72 7 місяців тому +1

      @@rondarkman. I think the OP is referring to the power structure, which is neither disabled nor POC, using disabled people for an argument contra veganism. So unless the "they" in your comment refers to white people of privilege, and based on your comments in these threads I assume it doesn't, step off, kid.

    • @shadowrose1859
      @shadowrose1859 2 місяці тому +1

      I know. Unless you have a very specific disease/disorder where it really restricts your diet as it is (like diabetes or chrones) or some other fairly specific thing *most* people can manage a vegan diet just fine regardless of ability.

  • @Mirily
    @Mirily 7 місяців тому +43

    So glad you made this video, Ed! I am an ethical Vegan. Every choice I can make to be cruelty free, I have made and do make on a daily basis. I am also disabled and some of my medications that I depend on to survive have lactose in them. I don't have a choice about this. But in some Vegans eyes that makes me not Vegan. We need to dispel the myth that only perfection can be Vegan. For most of us, if you follow the supply chain where we live back to the beginning, you will find a link that isn't considered Vegan. The focus should be on making as many ethical choices that you are able to and to applaud those choices! Unfortunately there are some people in the Vegan community who don't agree with this and they give ammunition to the "ablest" label.

    • @ashlamccammon4196
      @ashlamccammon4196 7 місяців тому +3

      I really like this comment. I do the same, also takes meds I don’t have a choice on, but we do our best and advocate for the rest

    • @Lewie_G
      @Lewie_G 7 місяців тому +6

      That's nonsense. You are a vegan my friend ❤️

    • @MSchipper
      @MSchipper 7 місяців тому +10

      Veganism is an ethical stance to avoid animal abuse and expoloitation *as far as practicable and possible*. If it's not possible to use vegan medication or medical aids, because they don't yet exist, you're still a vegan if you make the effort everywhere else.
      I have a stoma and was able to find vegan bags that work for me. But most brands use gelatine in their adhesives.

    • @pacmanmcgavin7034
      @pacmanmcgavin7034 7 місяців тому

      Eating them is not abuse or exploitation, but a biological function.@@MSchipper

    • @CaroAbebe
      @CaroAbebe Місяць тому

      @@pacmanmcgavin7034 We CAN eat animals, sure. Animal products have nutritional value, yes. But most people can do just fine on an entirely plant based diet, and it’s the ethical thing to do.

  • @MSchipper
    @MSchipper 7 місяців тому +29

    Hi Ed, the problem is that many aids like catheters and medication are not vegan, or it's excrutiatingly hard to find out whether they use animal based ingredients. The coating on catheters i.e. often contain gelatine for some strange reason. I was able to find vegan ostomy supplies, so tt's been a huge relief that those work for me. Medication is usually tested on animals, which is sad. For everything I can control, I am fully vegan.

    • @HuplesCat
      @HuplesCat 6 місяців тому +4

      No. You are vegan. It is choosing not to use animals when you have the choice. It never has been about using no animals if you have no choice. Be a proud vegan because you are. Write to the manufacturers. Might have an effect eventually.

    • @brittainscott1502
      @brittainscott1502 6 місяців тому +1

      Yes that's the point that he made in the video.

  • @cynicalidealist11
    @cynicalidealist11 7 місяців тому +154

    After debating meat eaters for years using NTT, I cant tell you how many of them have said they’d be okay with stripping away negative rights from severely mentally disabled people rendering it acceptable to kill and eat them.

    • @Nuaex
      @Nuaex 7 місяців тому

      as a vegan fascist, sometimes its ok

    • @nael65
      @nael65 7 місяців тому +3

      Woooow

    • @user-gu9yq5sj7c
      @user-gu9yq5sj7c 7 місяців тому

      Lifting Vegan Logic has a video on I think a yt-er named Justthefacts saying it was ok to organ harvest mentally disabled people to try to remain logically consistent. Especially when vegans bring up the argument that if some nonvegans think it's ok to exploit animals because they're dumber then what about mentally disabled people, children, and dogs?
      Strangely, I couldn't find the video when I typed in Justthefacts but I found it by searching disabled on Lifting Vegan Logic.

    • @user-gu9yq5sj7c
      @user-gu9yq5sj7c 7 місяців тому +13

      @@Nuaex Were you saying exploiting people is ok? Then that's messed up and hypocritical.

    • @Nuaex
      @Nuaex 7 місяців тому

      @@user-gu9yq5sj7c protect the animals over humans yea

  • @HadenFamily
    @HadenFamily 7 місяців тому +18

    I found this to be interesting, I’m disabled AND I’m vegan ❤️
    I can’t control what’s in my medicine but I’m doing all I can

    • @Tylerd838
      @Tylerd838 7 місяців тому

      your not

    • @JP-sm4cs
      @JP-sm4cs 7 місяців тому +4

      Ignore Tyler he's dead weight.
      There's always been an exemption for medicine and severe disabilities in this movement. 🧡

    • @HuplesCat
      @HuplesCat 6 місяців тому +3

      It is actually interesting how much gelatine is used in medications. You are aware but I bet many watching this video have no idea,

  • @BabyMango
    @BabyMango 7 місяців тому +30

    My sons autistic and vegan 🖤

    • @v.a.n.e.
      @v.a.n.e. 7 місяців тому +2

      were they raised vegan from birth?

    • @nananinanana656
      @nananinanana656 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@v.a.n.e. were you raised vegan from birth ?

    • @v.a.n.e.
      @v.a.n.e. 6 місяців тому

      @@nananinanana656 short answer: no. long answer: noooooo nananinanana, noooooo!!

  • @themirrorofthetruth2055
    @themirrorofthetruth2055 7 місяців тому +11

    Chronic Depression, anxiety, autism. Add Sensitive stomach issues hay-fever. And Vegan for 19 years since 12

  • @LazieJane
    @LazieJane 7 місяців тому +18

    Mental and physical disabilities here , vegan for 5 years .

  • @crustmuskandpixiedust
    @crustmuskandpixiedust 7 місяців тому +18

    I've had multiple discussions with people accusing veganism in itself as being ableist, but after breaking down their arguments it was clear they were just using the disabled community as an excuse for them not to go vegan. Same excuse people make by referencing isolated indigenous cultures that they are not a part of, as a reason for them not to go vegan, despite them having access to diverse food resources.

    • @MasterMoron
      @MasterMoron 7 місяців тому +1

      You don't need an excuse not to go vegan. Vegans themselves convince me to never go vegan.

    • @EC-jd9ej
      @EC-jd9ej 6 місяців тому

      These people believe that indigenous people are savages who aren't smart enough to have morals, or to learn how to do anything but hunt. It's them who are racist.

  • @FaminedeviI
    @FaminedeviI 7 місяців тому +8

    I’m chronically ill/disabled (JIA) and been vegan for 4 years. 💚🌱

  • @CiaraColetteJosephine
    @CiaraColetteJosephine 7 місяців тому +72

    I became vegan when I was 14. I grew up in human sex trafficking until I was 19 because I was born into it and I was abused but I was still vegan. I have schizophrenia and autism and I’ve been vegan for the last 14 years.

    • @zantecarroll4448
      @zantecarroll4448 7 місяців тому +11

      ❤thank you for loving the animals when you were suffering so much yourself..animals helped me so much in my life through the sad parts especially ...sending you love

    • @lauratanln
      @lauratanln 7 місяців тому +6

      Thanks for standing for veganism.

    • @tamcon72
      @tamcon72 7 місяців тому +6

      I respect you so much for coming from such a background with a sense of power, and using it for the benefit of other vulnerable beings. Blessings to you!

    • @Kayte...
      @Kayte... 7 місяців тому +5

      I'm sorry you had to experience that. May healing and recovery anoint you.

    • @CiaraColetteJosephine
      @CiaraColetteJosephine 7 місяців тому +5

      Thank you all! 💕🌿

  • @SBUGEDA
    @SBUGEDA 7 місяців тому +9

    I suffer from bipolar disorder, with phases of severe depressions, anxiety, had period with severe eating disorder in the past etc. I’m disabled since 7 years already and I’m not going to lie it can be hard to be vegan when suffering a mental disorder. Not in the sense of having a vegan lifestyle in itself at all, that’s in fact the easiest part, especially nowadays with all the alternatives. But the lucidity about the non human animals suffering can be tremendously hard to overcome when being severely depressed. It’s like adding more pain in an already extremely painful situation. Also diet restriction can trigger bad habits about eating disorder. I’m still vegan and won’t go back, but it can be really challenging when I’m not feeling well. When it happens I usually delete all social apps for a while so I don’t need to think about or witness anything related to animal exploitation.

    • @dallasthekid1463
      @dallasthekid1463 7 місяців тому +1

      Hi I’m Dallas I have schizophrenia and you explained that so well, I’m already sad and depressed so when I think about veganism as a whole it can make it worse cus it’s such a sad situation being around all your friends and family , it can make it worse, you see the world for what it really is.

    • @JP-sm4cs
      @JP-sm4cs 7 місяців тому +1

      Feel free to disconnect if you're not contributing to the problem. 💚

    • @chktl_you
      @chktl_you 6 місяців тому

      same here

  • @koaluanabunnies
    @koaluanabunnies 7 місяців тому +7

    Diagnosed CFS/fibro at 15, life-long dyslexic and recently discovered I'm gluten intolerant...
    Vegan from 23 (now 30). My health has vastly improved from it, and going gluten free was WAY more challenging than being vegan.
    The "ableist" thing is such a null argument. Thank you Ed for putting it so eloquently

  • @biancat.1873
    @biancat.1873 7 місяців тому +63

    As a disabled vegan for the animals, thank you so much for this video from the deep of my heart! 💚🐾🌱

    • @v.a.n.e.
      @v.a.n.e. 7 місяців тому

      what do you mean 'disabled vegan' for the animals? is it just figurative?

    • @biancat.1873
      @biancat.1873 7 місяців тому +5

      @@v.a.n.e. wtf are you going on about? (rhetorical question, I don't need a reply from *you!* )

    • @v.a.n.e.
      @v.a.n.e. 7 місяців тому

      I apologize if my comment upset you, as that was certainly not my intention. your original post sounds as if your condition was caused by becoming a vegan, that is, because of/for the animals.

    • @rafco90
      @rafco90 7 місяців тому +1

      Love my friend!

    • @xmillion1704
      @xmillion1704 7 місяців тому

      @v.a.i.n. You specialize in disingenuously and deliberately misinterpreting what people are trying to communicate. You simply insist on torturing folks fairly clear intent. There is no way that your meaning makes sense.
      How does "vegan for the animals" end up meaning "disabled due to veganism" in your warped mind? That makes no sense whatsoever. The most rational reading is that they attribute their veganism to their concern for animals, literally "for the animals".
      The post may have benefited from another comma or so, but I'll bet the only ones who were confused were you anti-vegan troll types, trying to find confusion and manufacturing it when it can't be found.

  • @leviahimsa
    @leviahimsa 7 місяців тому +17

    We can't be perfect, but we can always try to avoid increasing suffering. It's someone's life on the line and shouldn't be taken lightly.

    • @PercivalBlakeney
      @PercivalBlakeney 7 місяців тому +5

      #leviahimsa
      "Do as much good as you can, as often as you can, for as many as you can."
      - Adlai Stevenson.
      😌

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому +1

      My steaks I cook are perfect

    • @PercivalBlakeney
      @PercivalBlakeney 7 місяців тому +3

      @@rondarkman.
      Shame we can hardly say the same about your English.
      Nur hUr hur staYke taYste guDe
      😶

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому

      @@PercivalBlakeney
      It's youtube princess cope

    • @PercivalBlakeney
      @PercivalBlakeney 7 місяців тому +1

      @@rondarkman.
      Nah "princessita"… there's no excuse for poor arguments or poor English… and little darlin', ya' gots both in shovel-loads.
      Y'dig?

  • @thebowandbullet
    @thebowandbullet 7 місяців тому +44

    Vegans are as varied as any other group. We agree on one thing; it doesn't mean we agree on everything else. We're not a monolith. This isn't a social club, it's a justice movement.

    • @MeanOldLady
      @MeanOldLady 7 місяців тому

      A "just us" movement.

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому

      😆 its a diet for pretentious douches, nothing more

    • @pacmanmcgavin7034
      @pacmanmcgavin7034 7 місяців тому +1

      It's about your ego.

    • @febberz
      @febberz 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@pacmanmcgavin7034sure. Actually giving a shit is all about their ego 🙄 you wouldn't say that about any other entire group of people trying to do something for the benefit of others, like nurses or charity workers etc. I'm sure some vegans are egotistical, but randomly commenting to a stranger on the internet saying they're vegan to fuel their ego is unkind, and suggests you think this of all vegans, which is absurd.

    • @febberz
      @febberz 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@pacmanmcgavin7034also hilarious given your UA-cam tagline is 'I'm so good it's scary!' 😂

  • @Pjvenom1985
    @Pjvenom1985 7 місяців тому +12

    Spot on, great video Ed. Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend.🌱🌅🍀

  • @tosca...
    @tosca... 7 місяців тому +20

    Long before I was a vegan I was a humanist. I've always believed in the rights of all to live the best life possible, but it was before I understood how cows suffer in giving milk. So I was a vegetarian for many decades. I grew up watching the cruelty of war every night on the 7 o'clock news (Vietnam), and with my family I spent many a day protesting for peace, that is, for the rights of the Vietnamese to live how they chose. I protested for the Palestinians, East Timorese, the Iraqis, then the rights of whales and other sentient creatures, against plastics, microoplastics and other environmental destructiveness and so on. Through my early teens I spent every Saturday morning with a First Nations woman (who was deemed a National Treasure before her death) collecting signatures for the referendum which would make Australia's extraordinary indigenous people citizens for the first time in Australia's history. I mention these details of my life because my humanism has never been 'academic' - it has always been an active philosophy of life which easily accommodated veganism many years later. I stopped eating animals when I was twelve, but sadly it took me way too long before I became a vegan. This is all to say that humanism is a significant moral philosophy which veganism can fit within very comfortably. One of the most shocking things I've ever heard was a vegan say she, and all vegans, were morally superior to other people. This is a very fascistic notion and one, along with other prejudices, we must stay mindful about rejecting as absolutely unacceptable. Veganism is well and truly on the right side of history. We are making moral choices about how we live every moment of our lives, hence my little journey through my own life. We choose this, not that, or that not this at every moment and it adds up to something significant as time goes on. Now more than ever our choices count for something significant when they join with the choices of others to change how humans occupy this planet and determine its future

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому

      My god your over inflated self importance is hilarious, I I I I 😆 🤣
      You'd be the person at the party waiting foe someone to say something you don't agree with so you could start an argument.

    • @zantecarroll4448
      @zantecarroll4448 7 місяців тому +2

      me too vegetarian from birth then realized fifteen years ago it was pointless and became vegan ..
      i think the moral position to not exploit animals is morally superior to the immoral position to exploit animals but to judge a person, not a position, as superior or inferior is inaccurate and divisive.
      The world view of human supremacy, the position that humans are superior to other species of non human animals and therefore those other species can be forced to suffer and be killed with moral impunity... that is fascist!

  • @Splashstar216
    @Splashstar216 7 місяців тому +8

    I am legally physically and cognitively disabled and I've been vegan four years. This is actually offensive to me that ppl would think being vegan was ableist lol.....

  • @Corvid_Moon
    @Corvid_Moon 7 місяців тому +16

    You are my favourite animal rights advocate in the whole world, Mr. Winters :3

    • @pacmanmcgavin7034
      @pacmanmcgavin7034 7 місяців тому

      Strange, eating our species specific food group is not a rights violation.

    • @Corvid_Moon
      @Corvid_Moon 7 місяців тому

      @@pacmanmcgavin7034 Wow, you're still at it in vegan spaces, eh? What a sight to see...
      You're right, it isn't a rights violation to eat a species-appropriate diet, considering that we are primates & primates eat a predominantly plant-based diet. Then there is also the difference between necessity & choice, but do keep going off about how you think vegans are so wrong in your sad lil eyes, after invading our spaces for as long as you have :3

  • @Gaming_Vegan_Ape
    @Gaming_Vegan_Ape 7 місяців тому +9

    I love these constant uploads.

  • @veganfortheanimals6994
    @veganfortheanimals6994 7 місяців тому +7

    Great series Ed, keep it up. It's like an updated version of your "30 Excuses in 30 Days" series...

  • @Psychadelico
    @Psychadelico 7 місяців тому +46

    Man here I thought veganism was all about the animals and apparently it is just about everyone and everything else other than the animals themselves

    • @user-gu9yq5sj7c
      @user-gu9yq5sj7c 7 місяців тому +6

      Veganism is about animals, but it's not bad in of itself to talk about people's struggles to be vegan, for vegans to be made aware or that, and for vegans to help about that. Especially to get militant or bullying vegans to have more compassion and practicality. A example is Miyoko making cheese from different plants for people who are allergic to nuts. You also do the same that if people told you to do something good, like to care for the environment more, you probably would state your struggles too. People can't be perfect.
      You also can't use "caring for the animals" or a good cause to dictate at people, lack compassion for people who struggle, or lack practicality.

    • @OM617a
      @OM617a 7 місяців тому +5

      @@user-gu9yq5sj7c How is nut free cheese relevant to veganism? I would happily live on potatoes or rice to avoid supporting animal cruelty. If a person cannot be vegan due to a lack of suitable cheese substitute then they are not really committed and veganism is better without them.

    • @dylansharkey6040
      @dylansharkey6040 7 місяців тому

      And the animals lose in that situation which is what veganism claims to be about, and is therefore diminished. People are never going to be perfect. We need systemic changes. There are people in this world dragging us backwards in many ways and they will do the same with animals, we have to fight for progress so otherwise apathetic people see food that doesn't exploit animals as the default, and to be vegan as simply normal and expected. @@OM617a

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому +2

      @OM617a
      I'm better off without veganism, no way would I sacrifice my taste for delicious prawns, oysters, barramundi, kangaroo, camel, Emu, baby pig, goat ect.
      My taste is far to important

    • @OM617a
      @OM617a 7 місяців тому +2

      @@rondarkman. Yes, you are like a broken record. We know you will not care about anyone but yourself, you are not unique in that trait.

  • @sarshar9614
    @sarshar9614 7 місяців тому +4

    Vegan & disabled here. I’ve heard the “where practicable” part of the vegan philosophy described as “do your best, and advocate for the rest”. I like that perspective.

  • @BabyMango
    @BabyMango 7 місяців тому +14

    I trust everything Ed has to say because his fiddle leaf fig is THRIVING. Impressive.

    • @rondarkman.
      @rondarkman. 7 місяців тому

      She!! Ed is trans

    • @BabyMango
      @BabyMango 7 місяців тому

      @@rondarkman. his bio on his own page says “he”

  • @tesstakes
    @tesstakes 7 місяців тому +4

    personally being autistic and adhd, veganism makes so much sense for me in a lot of ways. i think a lot of disabled people are attracted to veganism because we can have a strong sense of justice due to the oppression and lack of appropriate care in the disabled community. i started pondering veganism and went plant based at 14 because of it. i'm now i think 8 or 9 years vegetarian / plant based as well as 5 years full vegan. it also means i don't need to worry about getting sick after eating. i have a senstive stomach so i don't miss being sick after eating meat as a child. i also don't need to worry about food bourne illnesses anymore. i think veganism can help my executive functioning because of that. i still consider myself vegan even if i need medication to function. it wouldn't make sense not to because i'm vegan in every other way aside from medicine.

    • @straberryshinigami15g97
      @straberryshinigami15g97 7 місяців тому +4

      hi im also AUDHD! hate it when people say vegansm is ableist!

    • @tesstakes
      @tesstakes 7 місяців тому +2

      @@straberryshinigami15g97 yes! saying 'veganism is ableist' is so ableist! i think specism & ableism are so often hand in hand. expecially with the way specific meat eaters try to justify why killing animals is okay because i could sometimes fit into what they're describing in terms of not contributing to society & not sometimes not understanding what's going on around me etc

  • @R.I.P.truelove
    @R.I.P.truelove 7 місяців тому +5

    I have heard of people who use feeding tubes mention that there is only one supplier of the food the use and there is NO vegan option.. I think that is ableist because it is robbing people who have certain disabilities of the right to choose. I personally struggled for 20 YEARS trying to go vegan over and over, but I kept getting sick and my disabilities severely worsened and caused me a great deal of chronic pain.. this turned out to be due to a histamine intolerance that was making my symptoms act up so badly. Typical vegan diets usually consist of high histamine foods like legumes and nuts, so now I just stick to low histamine vegan foods. All of the information I found online and through friends came from able-bodied/neurotypical people who don’t have chronic health problems. Health is important for all people who go vegan, but it is much more important for people with certain disabilities and it can be very very risky and even land people in the hospital. Veganism isn’t ableist, but the vegan community is because it’s not inclusive for everyone with different health needs.

    • @xmillion1704
      @xmillion1704 7 місяців тому +1

      I'm not clear. You start by describing a problem with the medical supply industry and end by accusing the vegan community of not being inclusive. Is there a connection between the two or in what way have you determined that the community lacks inclusivity with respect to health needs?
      I'm humbled by your dedication due to the extra care you must take in order to maintain your health on a vegan diet. All I had to do was forego my love of cheese and take a couple daily supplements.

    • @straberryshinigami15g97
      @straberryshinigami15g97 7 місяців тому +1

      Im disabled and vegan. My sensory issues do not justify making someones worse. Do you have an example of how veganism leads people to the hospital?

    • @bengilkes7676
      @bengilkes7676 7 місяців тому

      @R.I.P.truelove I have never seen "the vegan community" recommend that somebody eats vegan food to which they are intolerant/allergic. You went through a learning curve which is great but don't blame your lack of knowledge on "the vegan community". There are vegan channels dedicated to special areas of interest, like type I diabetes, gluten intolerance etc. If there isn't a channel for people with the 'disability' of being unable to eat high histamine foods, then perhaps you shoud start one? I also am pretty certain that there are many people who use feeding tubes who do not consider themselves 'disabled', but I do agree that no vegan options being available is outrageous.

  • @veganaktivisten
    @veganaktivisten 7 місяців тому +5

    I have a disability and I think one of the reasons I became vegan was because of what I've gone through. Going through rough times probably makes people more empathetic to other's suffering as well, hence increases the chances of them going vegan.
    That veganism is somehow ableist is the stupidest claim I've ever heard. Talk about trying to find any reason to keep telling yourself your a good person while continue to pay for animal abuse, killing and exploitation. Oh, the irony.

  • @solotraveler6025
    @solotraveler6025 7 місяців тому +5

    100% disabled guy here, spinal cord injury, multiple head injuries, due to my head injuries I have the worst form of migraine one can have, severe hearing loss, knee replacement and degenerative disk disease and PTSD. Up until I went vegan I was also suffering from cardiovascular desires, was on 7 different medications and scheduled for stent surgery. 17th of November 2023 was my 6 year anniversary of going vegan and I can say without a doubt, it was one of the best thing I have ever done, everything about my life has improved. Nine months after going vegan I became 100% Rx free, I had reversed my cardiovascular decease and greatly reduced my whole body inflammation. Today not only do I not consume any animal products, I consume zero processed and refined foods. I've learned to cook without added oil, salt and sugar and when possible only eat non-GMO and organic produce. And before anyone goes there, my grocery bill was cut in half after going vegan. Becoming vegan saved my life and there is no one who could possibly change my mind. Spoken like so many vegans before me, my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.

    • @bengilkes7676
      @bengilkes7676 7 місяців тому

      Nice one. What's "Rx" by the way?

  • @cauldrin7788
    @cauldrin7788 7 місяців тому +8

    i have paranoid schizophrenia and ive been vegan for a bit over 4 years now 🤍🤍🤍

  • @vinwillcock612
    @vinwillcock612 7 місяців тому +3

    Excellent logic yet again. All the arguments against veganism tend to be vague and generalised. No one can argue against the reduction and elimination of suffering and exploitation even for the greater good. If they do they are excepting that nothing can change and all is inevitable.

  • @KaitlenSokel
    @KaitlenSokel 7 місяців тому +8

    Hellllla food allergies & vegan af! 🌱💗✨

  • @sarahallegra6239
    @sarahallegra6239 7 місяців тому +2

    Me too! I was born with several autoimmune diseases, mental health issues, neurodivergent issues, etc. I’m mostly house-bound from chronic pain and exhaustion. Ive been vegan for about 14 years and it’s helped a LOT. I wish there were ways around medications I have to take being tested on animals; as soon as there’s an option there, I’ll take it! I ate a standard carnivore/omnivore diet for most of my life until going vegan and I can’t tell you how much better I felt when I switched, both physically and mentally. Don’t make me and other disabled people an excuse to not go vegan 💚

  • @harrison85
    @harrison85 7 місяців тому +3

    I suppose a criticism I could hear is “who decides what is and isn’t necessary and how is that enforced?”
    However, I would hope that vegans, especially disabled vegans, are able to build good answers to that. After all, questions of practicability and justice have been being solved and will be solved in every other movement, and will be going forward.

  • @estergaleotenadal5870
    @estergaleotenadal5870 7 місяців тому +2

    Really great video, thanks. I'm a vegan with a diagnosis of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis . I've been bed-bound and in need of a wheelchair.
    Never found that my diet was putting extra stress in my life.
    I'm a "legally" disabled person and while I acknowledge that every person is different and every situation is different too, and I acknowledge that some people's choices might be limited by their circumstances , I fail to see why "veganism" as a philosophy is inherently "ableist".
    It's kind of funny to me when abled people say that this or that is "ableist" without even asking a disabled person how they feel about this particular "this" or "that".

  • @MeganHitachiin
    @MeganHitachiin 7 місяців тому +2

    I have adhd and am autistic, as well as some mental health issues and I have been vegan since 2013.

  • @cryco472
    @cryco472 6 місяців тому +2

    My wife has epilepsy - wouldn’t wish it on anyone. She can’t consume much soy because it will make her brain glitch pretty bad. So what did we do about it? She eats pumfu instead of tofu (made of pumpkin seeds), and eats more of other plant proteins. She’s a great example of someone who powered through a challenge & didn’t allow it to push her off course. She’s also very active & I couldn’t be more proud of her.

    • @woodyoi4035
      @woodyoi4035 6 місяців тому +1

      Try carnivorous diet for a month she’ll be shocked with the results

  • @CJ-ul5hm
    @CJ-ul5hm 7 місяців тому +3

    I love your content Ed. I have a suggestion to make that is offered in support of you and of your fantastic videos. Please slow down the pace. A second or two pause after the completion of a point / thought can go a really long way. I understand your delivery is quick, as well it should be, to fit with the nature and the significance/urgency of your topic. I'm suggesting that you offer the viewer a moment or two to digest your point before moving on to another. My experience with these last few videos has been a bit jarring in the pacing. My suggestion is made with love & support of what you're doing. Your work has made such a huge and significant impact on my life and others. Thank you.

  • @Andrea-id3pn
    @Andrea-id3pn 7 місяців тому +8

    Everything would be so much easier if medication and other related things were vegan. Even things like eye drops are tested on animals. It’s just awful

    • @bengilkes7676
      @bengilkes7676 7 місяців тому

      I asked a doctor why so many types of medication contain lactose whilst such a large part of society are (at least intolerant) to it. He had no answer.

  • @fieldofreeds8581
    @fieldofreeds8581 7 місяців тому +2

    The most interesting part of this argument is that although cis-white Western men are always most visible on platforms like YT, IG, etc., most other vegans (and activists) I know IRL are non-white, queer, and neurodivergent. Similarly, when I have done activism, the people who are most open minded and interested in the outreach are non-white, usually not-male people. And Black Americans are the largest growing demographic of Americans going vegan. When you have experienced some kind of marginalization, it’s easier to empathize with others who are being oppressed (in this case, the animals).

  • @RatsPicklesandMusic
    @RatsPicklesandMusic 7 місяців тому +3

    I'm autistic, ADHD, and dyspraxic with anxiety.
    Also vegan! 😊

  • @sandragrubey5561
    @sandragrubey5561 7 місяців тому +1

    I have ordered my book - it says signed copy. I am in a little town in Australia and will give it to someone who is maybe on the cusp of becoming a full fledge Vegan. Ed, I will buy everything you write - if only to put it out there for someone to benefit! I have also ordered it from my local library - another way of getting your book out there into the mainstream for other people to have a chance to change.

  • @marley7659
    @marley7659 7 місяців тому +2

    Asexual, Autistic, PCOS and chronic anemia due to medical condition(can’t be treated without surgery). I have been vegan since 2017. Almost 7 years now

  • @prieten49
    @prieten49 7 місяців тому +4

    This nutty line of argument reminds me of the "discriminating against indigeous people" anti-vegan argument. Just because the Inuit might have had an entirely animal based diet at some time in their history is no excuse for people living in supposedly highly developed countries to eat meat unnecessarily.

    • @MasterMoron
      @MasterMoron 7 місяців тому +1

      You don't need an excuse to eat meat.

    • @prieten49
      @prieten49 7 місяців тому +1

      @@MasterMoron You need to watch some of these Earthling Ed videos. Almost every possible argument for eating meat is shot down. Ethically, nutritionally, and environmentally, eating a plant-based diet beats a meat-based diet. If you feel your 15 minutes of meat-eating pleasure is worth the suffering and killing of a sentient animal, you are not an ethical person. If you feel eating meat will make you a healthier person, you are setting yourself up for chronic illness and a shorter lifespan. If you don't care about the toll the meat & dairy industry takes on the global environment, then you are probably just a troll.

    • @MasterMoron
      @MasterMoron 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@prieten49I've watched many of his videos. His main argument is that eating meat isn't necessary therefore it is immoral to eat meat. Yet, he admits in this video that eating meat is necessary for some people. He claims that people eat meat only for taste but we know that is a lie based on his admissions in this video.

    • @prieten49
      @prieten49 7 місяців тому

      @@MasterMoron Ed Winters has said time and again that some people have to eat meat. He always acknowledges the killing of animals for NECESSITY. But the vast majority of people living in developed or developing countries eat meat for the taste and tradition alone. They eat meat for 15 minutes of pleasure while putting animals through a lifetime of agony by proxy. That is immoral. If you are an Inuit or a Masai, that is one thing. But you are not.

  • @sj-kd6uy
    @sj-kd6uy 3 місяці тому +1

    My son is autistic, epileptic and has a learning disability, he used to have preference for certain foods. I tried meat free nuggets... He loved them, he tried oat milk in his cereal, he loves it. He used to say "mummy doesn't eat animals" now he feels comfortable saying "😕 I don't like to eat animals, I don't think it's kind and I love animals, I love my cat and he's not that different from a farm animal" he is disabled and he is a great example of a teenager making his own choices.

  • @jimcolumbus6752
    @jimcolumbus6752 7 місяців тому +2

    I have tourettes syndrome, probable autism, ADHD, OCD anxiety. And a bunch of commorbitities associated with being neurodivergent. I also have type 2 diabetes, survived a widow maker heart attack. Veganism got me off insulin eliminating my heart failure. I can go on and on. I also work 2 jobs and some side hustles. The ablist argument is rubbish as far as I am concerned.

  • @hellenrose9556
    @hellenrose9556 7 місяців тому +6

    Which dissabilities makes it hard (or impossible) for some people to be vegan and why? I've never heared about that?

    • @Melissa.Garrett
      @Melissa.Garrett 7 місяців тому +3

      I imagine it’s a hangover from the days when commercial vegan options were limited, and we generally had to cook everything from scratch. You could argue that in those circumstances, many people with mobility issues/pain conditions/etc. couldn’t do that.But these days there are vegan versions of almost everything available ready to eat, and so it’s become accessible to far more people.

    • @saxenart
      @saxenart 7 місяців тому +1

      Many disabilities.

    • @fantuswitt9063
      @fantuswitt9063 7 місяців тому

      Some people with autism cannot eat vegan diets because they taste things so differently that almost all the neccisary parts of a vegan diet taste like shit to them. Also many are mentally unable to even understand what veganism is. In combinationan like my borther has it he only eat like 8 products if even that of which many are not vegan.

    • @suchawolfy
      @suchawolfy 7 місяців тому +1

      Someone who is neurodivergent with a set of safe foods can have a much harder time transitioning.
      People who are neurodivergent may often have a suite of other complications and allergies restricting choices. And then ready made vegan solutions may be prohibitively expensive.
      So it isn't a problem with not being able to survive on plants so much as an accessibility issue. That is we live in a non-vegan and ableist society and there will be people who live on that intersection experiencing more hardship than others.

    • @straberryshinigami15g97
      @straberryshinigami15g97 7 місяців тому

      im neurodivergent and vegan. my sensory issues do not justify making someone elses sensories worse@@suchawolfy

  • @drunkvegangal8089
    @drunkvegangal8089 7 місяців тому +4

    All of we vegans with disabilities - shout out! Lets show this comment section we exist and veganism is not ablesit.

  • @nael65
    @nael65 7 місяців тому +6

    ❤ love to all of you vegans out there!

  • @stefashaler8340
    @stefashaler8340 6 місяців тому

    Wow. Just wow. I'm humbled and grateful to you for refining your defense of veganism and your advocacy for respect for non-human animals. I'm vegan but I never discuss it unless someone asks me about it. I never discuss any of my ethics or values unless asked. I don't have an opinion on how others live and I assume they don't have one on me. Noone's ever questioned my veganism. However, there are ethics and morals involved that need to be discussed. Your career of advocacy is very impressive. Heading for a kinder world.......

  • @jackcleary1879
    @jackcleary1879 7 місяців тому +6

    Thank you for making this video Ed, someone who I know is an animal lover but unfortunately they sufferer from an eating disorder, meaning restricting their diet could cause a relapse and potentially hospitalisation. Its difficult in those situations to weigh up eating animals morally, so thank you for clearing it up. Much love

    • @jonjonwp
      @jonjonwp 7 місяців тому +2

      Nothing restrictive about a plant based diet.

    • @xmillion1704
      @xmillion1704 7 місяців тому +4

      @@jonjonwp While I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, veganism is technically restrictive of animal products in one's diet. Simply switching from decades of being vegetarian from birth to vegan required that I restrict dairy and eggs from my diet. This is not to say that a person with an eating disorder would necessarily find such a restriction to be problematic.
      I didn't realize just how much I loved cheese until I found myself highly motivated to give it up. Unfortunately, for me, vegan cheese mostly doesn't quite cut it yet.

    • @MasterMoron
      @MasterMoron 7 місяців тому

      ​@@jonjonwpyou're cutting out two entire food groups from your diet. I would never torture myself like that.

    • @tamcon72
      @tamcon72 7 місяців тому

      @@MasterMoron "Mommy, I did a poo poo all by myself!" is what I hear when I read your performative comment sin these threads. Sad.

    • @MasterMoron
      @MasterMoron 7 місяців тому

      ​@@tamcon72you know how you tell that you've won an argument? When the other party has no counter argument and starts insulting you instead.

  • @pacoandellie
    @pacoandellie 5 місяців тому +1

    Ugh! I know it happens and fortunately I've never seen monkeys picking coconuts when I'm in Thailand. I will be in Thailand soon for a couple of months helping at dog rescues. Hope to do some activism too. Nice live this morning.

  • @user-gu9yq5sj7c
    @user-gu9yq5sj7c 7 місяців тому +2

    BitesizeVegan has a video on saying she's ok with vegans taking medicine with animal products if that's all that was available. Such as some gel caps of pills being nonvegan. So some vegans are compassionate to people and practical. Just because people can't be perfect vegans doesn't mean they should be excluded and can't try their best. I wouldn't want to be excluded. That is patronizing like Ed said.
    Like Ed said, we can and should make more vegan products of everything.
    4:47 Yes, it's double standards how some nonvegans omit lactose intolerance being huge and how animal products are harmful.
    Google AI "There are an estimated 20,000 to 300,000 edible plant species on Earth. However, humans only eat about 200 of them."
    It's not like people with allergies and disabled people can't and don't eat any plants at all. That wouldn't be healthy either.
    Miyoko made vegan cheeses of different plants for people who were allergic to nuts. So some vegans do cater to people with common allergies.

    • @tamcon72
      @tamcon72 7 місяців тому

      Many years ago, I said to someone under a BSV video who lamented that their specialized diabetes meds weren't vegan and for which there wasn't an alternative, that nobody expected them to die of diabetes for veganism so to just do the best they could with things they had control over. It's disheartening that maybe this isn't considered pragmatic advice by social media vegans now . . .

  • @amytownsend2512
    @amytownsend2512 6 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for this video. Having a child with autism and having serious food aversions (which I’m trying to get help for) has been so difficult. I’ve always wanted to know the views on this particular subject so I’m glad you’ve addressed it 💚

  • @GuacamoleKun
    @GuacamoleKun 7 місяців тому +4

    5:12 thank you!!!!

  • @felixlerouxmusic1159
    @felixlerouxmusic1159 7 місяців тому +2

    This is one of the most reasonable, intelligent and nuanced speach out there, what a brilliant way to expose this atrocious argument. Love the part where you point out the coward behaviour of using other's disabilities to try justifying your own immoral and selfish actions.

  • @celine9322
    @celine9322 7 місяців тому

    Thank you for the last half!

  • @idobelieveinfaeries
    @idobelieveinfaeries 7 місяців тому +1

    A chronic ED (eating disorder) has created a lot of barriers to veganism for me. ED is one of many mental illnesses which are epidemic due to the pscyho-socio-political climate in the West, which are often ignored in the conversation about 'Western diseases' (a growing group of conditions associated with Capitalist development). There is masses of literature on the health benefits of veganism in the prevention of 'Western diseases.' I think that we have seen a shift away from the more intuitive 'morality' associated with faith, and towards a more methodical 'ethics' associated with science. I think that the best outcomes can be achieved (from an ethical persective), and simultaneously feel that something is good (from a moral perspective), when there is harmony between the moral and the ethical positions. This is the case for veganism, in my opinion. I think that many people are morally repressed; or in other words, not at peace with their intuitions. I believe this is the overarching cause of EDs. I know a number of ED sufferers for whom veganism has been destructive. They believe a plant-based diet will be their salvation. When at first I went vegan, I had a similar mindset. I desperately wanted to recover from my ED, and I thought I could replace my harmful habits with dedication to a whole-foods plant-based diet. This is an example of going 'vegan' for the wrong reasons. People who are morally repressed often make big changes like this purely on the basis of morality. But we can't rely completely on morality to dictate our choices. On balance, I think that veganism caused me very little harm. The reason for this was because I was aware that I was morally attracted to it but that was possibly another facet of my illness, and I ultimately believed in it from an ethical perspective but that does not have to be all-or-nothing. I allowed myself to gravitate toward veganism alongside becoming more liberated and self-assured through the process of ED recovery. But I was open to the possibility that veganism wouldn't be the right thing for me in the end. I considered the ultimate goal of veganism, but I also allowed for nuance, in that I could achieve this goal more sustainably if I got there in the right way and for the right reasons. Along the way, I faced a lot of people who assumed that my veganism was only a symptom of my eating disorder. This mindset is what leads to eating disorders in the first place, and is the same mindset as ableism. It is not validating the experiences of others, not respecting people's decisions. It is seeing someone who is already repressed and oppressed, and not seeing them as a whole person. The most important thing anyone did for my recovery was to see me as a whole person.

  • @MichaelToub
    @MichaelToub 7 місяців тому

    Just ordered the audio edition !

  • @erikolsen6269
    @erikolsen6269 7 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for your videos, I love them

  • @danuskozlowska8260
    @danuskozlowska8260 7 місяців тому

    Ed ..you are just on a different level...I ve no words.. Each time i listen to the way you argue my jaw drops.. You knowledge is absolute. Each argument is a logically constructed masterpiece. Sometimes I worry about you. Because you are too good in what you do and some big bosses out there may not like it. Just look after yourself, please. ❤

  • @gjdmcphie
    @gjdmcphie 7 місяців тому +3

    People will say anything to avoid questioning and improving their own behavior. Sad reality for a world full of people who claim to be compassionate and rational.

  • @randomname4726
    @randomname4726 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm autistic and also disabled. I have been 90% bedbound for eight years due to a rare genetic condition. I have also been vegan for 20 years and raised three kids vegan.

  • @hardcoreherbivore4730
    @hardcoreherbivore4730 6 місяців тому +1

    As someone born with a disability, this video hits home. With the reduction of inflammation associated with the WFPB diet. I’m ABLE to run a 5k every second day, with no medication. Whereas, my doctor said I’d be on medication for the rest of my life.

  • @softieartsydork
    @softieartsydork 6 місяців тому +1

    I have gastroparesis, IBS, an ED, and other chronic health issues, including mental health. I have multiple severe food intolerances. I don’t eat meat. I do eat fish and eggs if I can get from good sources. I do the best I can. We should all do the same.

    • @tom4412
      @tom4412 6 місяців тому

      It’ll be the eggs causing the mental health problems. Stop eating eggs

    • @woodyoi4035
      @woodyoi4035 6 місяців тому

      Beef liver will fix your ED with in weeks

  • @Arthropanzel
    @Arthropanzel 7 місяців тому +4

    Disabled vegan here. There is nothing ableist about beeing vegan. But there are ableist positions within some ethical theories behind veganism like Peter Singers concepts of personhood and speciesism. Fortunately there are more and more vegans who distance themselves from Peter Singers and others similar Ideas and Antispeciesism. Those are not necessary to be vegan and there are better non-ableist ethical theories for animal rights anyway.

    • @suchawolfy
      @suchawolfy 7 місяців тому +1

      Is there a problem with antispeciesism?

    • @bengilkes7676
      @bengilkes7676 7 місяців тому +1

      Peter Singer isn't vegan though is he?

    • @suchawolfy
      @suchawolfy 6 місяців тому

      @@bengilkes7676 as vegan as a utilitarian purist can be

    • @bengilkes7676
      @bengilkes7676 6 місяців тому +1

      @@suchawolfy I'm just watching Lifting Vegan Logic's video on Peter Singer. He is definitely not vegan.

  • @Charlie08079
    @Charlie08079 7 місяців тому +2

    Seeing anti-vegan social media trolls, religious people, and anti-vegans without anything to hide behind comment absolute heartless bs makes my blood boil but this channel makes me feel better. I used to be religious but I noticed that people in my own religion and most religions seem to be very very uninformed and extremely evil in their views but they justify it by using God as a shield. I have not given up my faith but rely more on the universe and my own spirituality now. These people can't be helped and while there are religious vegans, that's a very small amount of people who most likely will not stand up to those at the top of the religious system.

    • @CaroAbebe
      @CaroAbebe Місяць тому

      I’m religious. Being religious doesn’t make people anti-vegan. And religious people can be vegan too.

    • @Charlie08079
      @Charlie08079 Місяць тому

      @@CaroAbebe the pattern is too evident.

  • @Pilki01
    @Pilki01 7 місяців тому +7

    Yes Ed!!! Love this video. Im a blind vegan and the argument that veganism is ableist has always irked me because it just comes down to the person not understanding what veganism is yet. Keep up the good work, looking forward to the 6th of Jan 👨‍🦯🌱

  • @TheVegan_Noob
    @TheVegan_Noob 7 місяців тому +1

    Great video!! Really well spoken and clear

  • @mikeskylark1594
    @mikeskylark1594 6 місяців тому +1

    I am semi-mentally disabled from OCPD, yet I AM vegan for the animals easilly & purposefully!

  • @livpeake8108
    @livpeake8108 7 місяців тому +1

    i am coealiac and have food allergies I'm pescatarian at the moment because I struggle to get all the nutrients I need on my budget on a wholly vegan diet - I like the idea of everyone trying their best. Hopefully one day I can afford enough fake meat etc to get the replacements and necessary variation in my diet

    • @suchawolfy
      @suchawolfy 7 місяців тому +3

      What nutrients were you struggling to get? Happy to provide a list of alternatives that wouldn't break the budget 😊

    • @bengilkes7676
      @bengilkes7676 7 місяців тому

      Which nutrients do you struggle with? I could give you a list of cheap plant food alternatives if you let me know?

  • @trudi1962
    @trudi1962 7 місяців тому

    Thanks Ed. I'm in Australia, and that discount code actually worked! (discount codes and shipping here is usually a stumbling block). 😊

  • @cherylewers6322
    @cherylewers6322 6 місяців тому +2

    Literally, literally was once laying in a hospital bed after losing my leg, having to listen to the "dietitian" reacting to my vegan dinner order with the usual claims of "blackouts on the third day I tried to go vegan" ... and it was almost terminally annoying.

  • @asexualatheist3504
    @asexualatheist3504 7 місяців тому +2

    I am disabled and leaning into veganism. My disability doesn’t keep me from tending towards veganism. However veganism may be challenging for humans with disabilities who have to rely on healthcare workers to prepare their food. It doesn’t make veganism ableist though.

  • @clapwingbirb
    @clapwingbirb 7 місяців тому +1

    I also would say that being vegan is about doing your best to reduce animal exploitation or suffering, it's not about ticking boxes...
    I would still consider somebody taking medications that contain animal products (as they have no choice!) a vegan if they avoid other animal products when possible!

  • @katherineniemiec9078
    @katherineniemiec9078 7 місяців тому

    That diagonal book is set up perfect for me.

  • @missmashabosch
    @missmashabosch 7 місяців тому +4

    The deodorant looks cool 😯

  • @bastianelken7125
    @bastianelken7125 7 місяців тому

    Superb response, Ed! 👍👍

  • @LisaCooper-thevegan-123
    @LisaCooper-thevegan-123 7 місяців тому +3

    Disabled and vegan here! Love you Ed ♥️♥️♥️♥️

  • @andreawalker7138
    @andreawalker7138 7 місяців тому

    Great video!

  • @marzettik
    @marzettik 7 місяців тому

    Cool video. I enjoyed watching it.

  • @Vegan4Life_
    @Vegan4Life_ 6 місяців тому

    Thanks!