Mine arrived last week with the 200 burr set. The build is stunning, workflow simple and my coffee game has had a flavour boost. Dialling in for espresso took 3 shots! Cleaning takes minutes. Personally I think it looks wonderful on the counter and adjusting is such a non issue that I am amazed it is even mentioned. Love it.
Had mine 3 months now. Perfect grinder. Still don't know why more people do not use it rotated 90 degrees with the adjustment on the right . Just makes sense!! And it's then out of the way at the back of the counter!!
Mine arrived early July and im still in love with it. I used to grind with my C40 for filter and wanted a SD option for espresso to replace an Eureka Atom. Tested the Philos vs C40 for filter and the result is retirement for C40. Tested the Philos vs Atom for espresso and the result is retirement for Atom. Another guy in my city ordered the Philos with 189 burrs, then we tested them side by side for dark roasts, medium and lights. The result is retirement for 189 burrs Philos. 😂 and it looks absolutely great beside my Bezzera Strega.
Got mine 2 weeks ago and chose the 1200 burrs. I usually buy a 1kg bag of Brazilian coffee for my wife and i to drink as our daily driver. We buy it from a local roaster and the flavour notes on the bag are typical of most Brazilian espresso-focussed roasts (chocolate / nuts etc) I have been drinking this particular coffee on and off for the last 2 years - so i know what i can get from it..... But within the first 4 shots of using my new Mazzer Philos, I was getting flavours from it that i have never achieved before. Its like it woke the coffee up and brought the flavours into 3d. So i also bought a smaller 250g bag of washed Ethiopian to try with my aeropress and well lets just say that im in love with my aeropress again. I expected my coffee to level up with this grinder - but not to the extent that it has. I Love the way i dont need to break up clumps with any needle devices - so its one less step in prep. I love the look of it and how solid it is. I actually really like the way the grind adjustment is on the back - and despite what anyone says - you can adjust it EASILY with the grinder off - but even easier if you turn the grinder on and then adjust it. Its a well designed - well engineered and well built grinder that is absolutely solid. Wish I had it sooner! :D
@@JakubTarnawski I'm embarrassed only because it took me so long to upgrade it. I spent like £1000 on a sage dual boiler instead of spending it on a grinder. Schoolboy error man.
Thank you for your review and content. In your review of the Lagom Casa, you mentioned it did both filter and espresso very well, how would that compare to this grinder?
Hello, Great video thanks. I was going for a modified mazer jolly but I think this one looks better and will be a real single dose and better to use from Expresso to pouring and then back to Expresso... I don't know which burrs to choose, I am worried the multi purpose will not have enough body for Expresso. I use medium roast and one called lavazza for planet 6/10 as an everyday everybody coffee...
The wait time on a Zerno is absolutely insane. I understand the whole small shop, hand made thing, but 6-12 months for a coffee grinder that is roughly on par or slightly better than the competition is pretty insane. Being hand made introduces some degree of variability too, and the forums are filled with people having issues. Maybe I’m just jaded with having to wait that long, but at this point I may as well just order the Mazzer and get incredible results now versus waiting a year for marginal improvements (maybe).
I don’t find the Philos terribly compelling, mostly because it looks like an absolute beast on the counter 😅 But this video convinced me to recommend the philos to my friend who needs a grinder upgrade for espresso. I’m still happy I chose the Z1, but glad to see Mazzer making advancements at a lower price point
I think the looks/size will end up being one of the more polarizing aspects of this grinder. But, the way they have engineered it does have performance benefits. Agreed that this is a fantastic entry in this price bracket!
Thanks for this video! Been waiting for this release in the US!! I ordered a Z1 (got on the waitlist this past April 2024, was able to pay and actually order in early August. But it's not coming until March or April 2025. (So that's what he's talking about folks. 1 year wait in the end) The Z1 was around $1800 with extra burrs ect, and that's a heavy price to not have anything besides a nice email confirmation for 6-8 months. I've been checking Mazzer's site for the release of the Philos since April as well, gonna get one of those in the meantime, but at this point, they still haven't released in the US! Getting close I guess. Will be cool to have both.
Great vid, saw your original one on this. I bought the silver with i189 burrs. Sold my Ceado E37SD for this and this MAZZER is miles ahead in all areas despite having 64mm vs 83mm burrs. It’s a beast of a grinder, very high quality. The grind quality is so good that’s it’s noticeably better than my old Ceado at a much lower price point. Because of its design and pre breaking auger it produces amazing grinds without too many fines. Coffee is not getting re ground like beans just being dumped onto horizontal burrs like my old Ceado for example, and I immediately noticed a better tasting result because of this. I got mine for exactly £880 landed on my doorstep after paying customs taxes at 20% here in the UK and a small handling fee to UPS. It’s bargain of the premium grinders and a no brainer. Just get one!!
I did the same, with the 200d. Dealing with UPS UK is not an experience I want to repeat! 6 days of failure to deliver within London before I picked it up!
What great timing on finding this video. I am close to getting the Ceado E37SD. I know over the years it’s received minor updates and I’ve seen it sold with both titanium and opal coated burrs. So, how old was your e37SD and can you nerd out for me a little more on why you like the mazzer better? Thanks!!!
What great timing on finding this video. I am close to getting the Ceado E37SD. I know over the years it’s received minor updates and I’ve seen it sold with both titanium and opal coated burrs. So, how old was your e37SD and can you nerd out for me a little more on why you like the mazzer better? Thanks!!!
I was considering the Turing DF83v before the Philos came out, but the Philos has so many pros that it surpasses my love for tinkering, because I could just focus on experimenting on the coffee, instead of the gear.
Awesome review Justin! Been owning the Philos since its initial release, and can totally relate to your description of what it has going for it and the few critiques some could have. All in all, and besides it being quite heavy footprint on the countertop, it does great (I have 3 great manual grinders and 4 great electric grinders… which have all been shadowed by the no brainer approach of the Mazzer). One thing I would add: on espresso, I pushed extractions above 22% and 23%, and it can take it without adding (relatively speaking compared to other grinders) too much astringency.
I have a Jazzer Kony electric for my espresso now and a not so good one for my V60. so absolutely an appealing choice. How much coffee can you grind at the time? We often make up to one liter at the time when we have guests and that requires about 60-63 grams.
When changing the burrs, did you mind the wiggle room on the moving burr? I find it hard to understand whether it is important to install it perfectly center… also: is torque important on the screws or do you just tighten them by hand?
Concentricity (side to side movement) is a lot less critical that parallelism for flat burrs. So for me it’s ok with a visual check. I did make sure it was as on-Center as possible visually every time I made a swap but this play isn’t a dealbreaker for me based on my observation and conversation with others. Torque is important in theory but no mfg gives torque specs that I’m aware of. I have considered getting a torque driver but currently do it by hand. Just make sure you are relatively consistent. I do hand tight plus 1/4 turn
This vs the DF83V. I'm debating whether to get the DF83V, which is readily available here in the Philippines (and cheaper), or wait for distributors to sell the Philos here (it's more expensive, but come on. It's Mazzer!).
Idk if I should get the I200D or the I189D. I brew mostly med to med dark roasts, but I like light roasts here and there (I don't do filter. I only brew espresso). Three questions: 1. How's the clarity on the I189D? 2. How's the body on the I200D? 3. Which do you suggest I get?
@@karasong7701 i would recommend you the 189d they are a Bit better with mouthfeel and crema, but Not tooo Classic. The 200d have Really weak Crema and Not much Body, they are more Espresso Shot only Type of burrs. The 189d can handle light roast No doubt ✌🏼
Clarity on the 189s, I’d say they pull out sweetness but are not the most clear. I did get more clarity than say a 63mm conical though. Body on the 200s, lighter body, but def not tea like. I say silky/velvet as opposed to think and syrupy. I really like the 200s. The 189s are not that expensive so it may be worth trying both?
@karasong7701 Based on your preference for espresso, I would recommend the I189D. Mine arrived with this burr installed and the flavors I get from my espresso are incredible - I am comparing it to my Comandante conical burr hand grinder with red clix, which is one of the best hand grinders for espresso.
What a great video! Well made and concise. You got a subscription for it! Question, this is the first video I’ve seen about the Philos and I’m wondering how it compares to the Ceado e37SD. I’m looking for a holiday sale so I have a few weeks to sort this all out. I am a home brewer espresso enthusiast that makes the occasional drip or aeropress coffee. Thank you!
Unfortunately I had to return two Philos grinders that presented a consistent problem. It was unable to grind on a finer setting (15-10 in the dial which is within the stated espresso range by Mazzer.) Beans seem to get stuck at the pre breaker and clearly major issues need to be resolved. Have you tried grinding medium to dark roast beans on a fine setting?
I have and did not present this symptom. Very intrigued here. I do a very wide range of testing when making these. What size of dose were you using when this happened? I also seasoned 3kg medium roast per burrset in nearly continuous runs at espresso range and did not have any issues with sticking beans. Worth noting that the North American units run at a *slightly* higher RPM because of the power frequency
Thanks for getting back to me. 😊Each time I dosed 21g of beans with the motor running however the ‘sticking’ only occurred when grinding finer than around 15 on the dial; perfect at 22. Perhaps the rpm is a factor so hopefully Mazzer addresses/acknowledges the issue on units running at a lower rpm outside North America.
I like to think I have a pretty good pulse on this, and overall I think it’s less than you would expect. Companies seem to (in my experience) err on the side of getting units to reviewers more quickly as opposed to making them perfectly polished. In this case, the first preproduction model had a significant hum because it had not been thoroughly tested on North American power (now resolved in the production model). On the timemore 078s I got a very early unit that was terribly aligned. It was unfortunate because I don’t think that reflected the majority of delivered units, but it was so rough I really had to be blunt in my reporting. Ironically some of the best performing units I have tested have been grabbed from stock shelves in a hurry during conferences or pulled from a local retailers general inventory 🤷♂️
Subscribed ! Found you via the vectis review. My journey - had a niche zero that was using for espresso -> started drinking filter exclusively and the Niche was difficult so moved to the 078; now going back to espresso part time and wondering whether to swap the niche for an espresso only grinder.. and which are the reasonable options
Hi! I'm just looking for a good electronic grinding machene, I like this band now I'm Using the comandante c40 + red clix, I just want to ask, I saw a video on your channel about C40, If this Mazzer Philos can do as small grains like comandante the 2click or 5 red click? I really need such small grains pls reply and thanx for the video!
Justin. Terrific content. Excellent overview of the Philos with indepth details on the pros and cons. After looking at your Zerno review, it seems the edge might go to Mazzer if one does both espresso and filter due to the 200d burrs. Since the Zerno mainly uses SSP burrs (or other 64mm burrs) which tend to emphasize either brew or espresso with maybe the exception of the SSPCV2 burrs. Any thoughts?
Thank you so much! One other option would be to buy some 200ds and throw them in a Z1 (they fit). If I had to choose one to sit on my counter forever, it would be the Z1. But, because of the long wait if I was buying today I may even consider buying a philos then selling it after the Z1 wait is over. Bottom line, both are great options with different pros and cons. I do like the 200ds as an all around burr more than almost all of SSPs options - the CV2 is the one set I don’t have yet and the set (I am guessing) is the most similar to the 200ds. Those are my thoughts! Not sure if that helps make a decision or makes it harder 🤣 thank you so much for the encouragement!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks for your additional thoughts. Very helpful. On waiting list for Zerno as I have 64 mm SSP CV1 already in my Ode Gen2’ which I plan to sell when I get the zerno or philos next year.
Awesome review been waiting for this follow up video, my mind is now made will be getting this grinder. I can see from you review and the comments below that its going to be a massive upgrade to my coffee. Then there is also the 64mm burrs that one could swop out in the future, which then allow you explore different flavour profiles.
Great Video! I bought the Philos with l200d off of your recommendation (and others) and it arrived today. It definitely looks better in person but the power cord doesn´t look good imo with its matt finish. I have couple of questions though, because it's my first electric grinder: At what grind setting do you brew filter coffee? It looks like it´s around a 100 in the video Is it normal that there are big grounds left in the Philos when grinding at a 100 and opening it afterwards? And is it normal that there are also some very fine grinds when grinding very coarse? I think I might have messed up when calibrating the grinder to zero because the butterfly screws where still open, that's why I´m asking :) Thank you to anyone who knows and I know that some of those questions might be stupid 😅
No issues at all and happy to help! If you're not sure about your calibration, I would just re-do it with the butterfly screws tight. This could absolutely have an impact. Generally I am between 90-110 for the way I brew, typically 15-16g light roast brews! For me there is next to nothing left in the grinder after I use it, especially with the knocker. If there is anything left in there, its sometimes in the prebreaking chamber. I'll often let it run for a few seconds longer to make sure any extraneous remains in the prebreaking chamber make their way all the way through. There are some fines in the filter brew, it's not as unimodal as something like a pietro (which even that grinder has fines in the filter brews!) Feel free to follow up or DM on IG - I am sure you will enjoy this one!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Just so I understood it correctly. You turn the dial till you hear chirp. Turn off the machine and see how many more clicks you can turn it right? Its hard but I can turn mine 10 clicks more from chirp with a bit of force.
Not my field which is why i asked 🫣. I would think the marker test shows alignment and would assume chirp to touching would vary somewhat with exact burr geometry. open to being corrected with an explanation if someone has one. @@Persason Also id say its next level compared to the df83v2 i had with everything floating on a wave spring and not so impressive machining compared to the philos. Ive only found chirp once with the philos and thats somewhere around minus 8 now out of the way!! Repeatability is 101% on the philos.
I’ll be releasing a full review AND a comparison about this! :) in short, mini is a better user experience with fewer features at a slightly higher price. The T actually has a little more room to work in terms of cup clearance, steaming and layout of the group/wand etc. A big factor to consider for commercial is serviceability. Not can they be serviced but does a local mobile tech service them. Most DO service La Marzocco but not Ascaso. With commercial it’s not if you’ll have an issue but when, regardless of brand. When this happens you’ll need to weigh having to mail your machine in for service vs having a mobile tech come and fix it
Just got a P64 so I'm not in the market but I see you have the new Mini R. Will you be doing a video on that? Much has been said about it already but would still be interested in your thoughts and comparison to your Ascaso. Thanks
@DaddyGotCoffee you're welcome. Will you consider comparing these new high end 64mm grinders to the P64? Alignment is the main thing I'm interested in honestly.
I pre-ordered the grinder in Canada but in Canada, it can be ordered with 200 burrs only. I drink dark roast espresso, would I get away with 200 or will i have to order I189 once they become available?
Personally I think you’ll be happier with the 189s if you are only doing darker roasts and espresso rather than filter. Good news is they are not too much. I’d email mazzer with your pre-order number and I’d bet they could make a change if you wanted to switch. The 200s are a great all around burr for filter and med/light espresso
@@DaddyGotCoffee it looks like in Canada it is all going through the reseller and the reseller is not offering the i189 as an option. The MSRP on i189 is $US130
They fit in the Z1 but if you’re set up for blind burrs obviously you would need to tweak the config (obv! :) I have not tried the df64 but don’t see why they wouldn’t!
Mazzer may not necessarily fit easily into DF64. The inner diameter and/or thin thickness might affect grind adjustment to where can’t grind fine enough or align correctly. More folk trying 64mm burrs across platforms are discovering beyond the SSP they don’t easily swap or dial in just because 64mm or even 83mm. Ironically the original DF64 from few years ago with sketchier alignment build tolerance actually allowed for more swap ability ie more grinder designed to maximize a particular burr more difficult to swap in other mfg’s burrs. Regards
Thanks for the review! How would you compare the flavour profile of the 200D burrs to the 1zpresso k-ultra? I know, completely different type of grinder but it's currently the only grinder I own and I see that you also have a review of the k-ultra. It would give me a better idea what I'll get if I choose the Philos which is currently #1 on my shortlist. I drink 90% light/medium roast beans. Secondly do you think the 200d would still make an acceptable iced caramel latte? You mentioned that the 200d makes espresso that doesn't punch well through milk, my girlfriend ( the one that drinks the iced lattes ) isn't that particular with coffee but I still don't want to give her decent iced lattes.
Merhaba, K Ultra daha asidik bir sonuç veriyor. Philos ise asiditenin daha az ve tatların daha belirgin hissedildiği çıktılar sunuyor. L200D Philos geldiğinden beri K-Ultra'mı çok az kullandım.
Bought this in preparation of moving out. Super keen to use it :D What of your opinions on pros and cons for the black vs the silver? I heard the silver tends to look more starchy in certain lighting
The black absolutely shows dust more. The silver finish is what I would say a pretty rough brushed. Not rough to the touch but in terms of how it looks. The individual brush marks are noticeable and catch the light. Having seen both I would prob say I prefer the black even though most of my preferred equipment is lighter
I ordered a zerno on their last drop, and while it does feel bad to wait for it to come in, not having to give my grinder a reach around to adjust grind size is gonna be a big plus lmao. Great review, it does look like a solid option, but the allure of the zerno still has me
It’s just so large for a 64mm grinder. For that footprint I think I’d rather spend more and get higher end and larger burrs. But in actuality I am on the Zerno List because while big burrs are cool, the Zerno is awesome and probably THE BEST Home grinder. The size and perfect alignment is just a notch above IMHO.
Also a price and wait time that’s a notch above 🤣 (coming from an owner!) The Philos is big, it’s also very well aligned due to the way it’s engineered, and can be manufactured at scale and lower cost as a result. It’s all tradeoffs! 😊
Placing my order soon! The 200 burr option seem to ether ones to go for. How do you think it pairs with a Niche Zero as a flat & conical end-game grinder lineup?
For traditional style espresso the Niche Zero is still a really great grinder. There are other conical options out there that are even better but you can spend more than the Philos that way!
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks for the feedback. My intention is to use the Niche for the traditional espresso shots and milk based drinks and the Philos with 200D burrs for lighter roasts both espresso and filter…
Any plans to review the Key mk 2? There are like 0 reviews on UA-cam and I absolutely love mine, it's even good for filter at 30 rpm with the integrated slow feed.
@@barnabyholmes8879 I saw the pre-order email but probably will wait and see what the production units end up being like after they get released and I see some reviews.
I reviewed the 078s. Unfortunately I feel like I got an unfortunately rough outlier from the pre-production days. Alignment was very poor and it was extremely difficult to dial in. It took a ton of seasoning for the burrs to settle and struggled with fidelity. However, once I got all that sorted the burrs were nice. Not convinced my experience was universal because there were plenty of reviewers who didn’t have any alignment issues. Overall the philos is a lot more robust. Way easier to clean and lower retention also.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks. I have one and now that it’s settled, I think it’s pretty great across both espresso and filter, but I don’t make enough espresso to really put it through its paces.
100% I would take the Zerno over the Philos. $350 price difference, but you can take ~$100 off that for difference in burr price because of premium coating. Better alignment, quieter, smaller, way better aesthetics (IMO), option for blind burrs, option for different augers, likely better customer support, small indie company vibes, all of this is easily justified for the extra $250 and the wait time (I have a NZ I can keep using in the mean time)
Great review - it’s a really interesting option but frankly just too big. I know without even asking that my wife will object to the size. The Zerno is much more svelte and I don’t mind the wait for one.
Does the grind setting change if you slow feed the beans vs direct feed? And do you mean it does brew and espresso "unicornly" well using the 2 burr sets, or with one or the other? As you mentioned 1 is better suited for medium to light. People doing brew and espresso will want a dedicated brew grinder, because of the point you brought up. The roast type is not what users will want to swap burrs for. If we want espresso from a grinder, we want dark to light. But we dont expect that grinder to do brew. Maybe you can help clarify this soup you heated up :-)
Nice review Justin! I'm enjoying my Philos for making filter coffee. Pretty amazed at the clarity of the i200D burrs and how easy it is yo make grind size adjustments.
Seriously though, would probably be a good setup? I''m coming from a Breville Barista Express, moved countries and now looking for a new set up. This grinder would never need upgrading and would probably make very solid espresso drinks with the Bambino right?
Dammit, I kind of dialed myself in for a Key(MK2) or HG2 (MK2)...but all those praising philos reviews...the looks...the good reputation and experience of the brand... And the fair pricepoint....aaaah!
I have a Key MKII on bar right now and it’s really great too 🤣 But also at twice the price. I think the important thing to recognize is none of them are perfect so you just gotta find the set of compromises that works for you at your budget!
I like the looks of the Key, the small footprint and the workflow...and the more clear-but-still-conical Profile. And the MK2 features afaik a bottom bearing fot better alignment...so I am looking forward to your review. Really surprised how I like the style of your reviews (oh no, not yet another coffee influencer). Keep up the good work, thanks for your words 😀
@@DaddyGotCoffeelooking forward to your review of the Key mk ii. I haven’t found many detailed reviews of it. Would you be also willing to share your recommended grinder pairing for your new LM Linea Mini? I have one on order and debating an upgrade to my Niche Zero. We are an espresso only house.
As soon as we have a premium single dose grinder that doesn’t require the extra messy step of RDT then I’ll buy it. Until then come up with new technology please.
Thank you for your reviews, they really helped my decision-making process. I'd been looking for something that will be good out of the box, give a modern profile, and last who knows, maybe a life time. Your 078s experience was an eye-opener. I then signed up for the Z1 waitlist but that delay for nearly twice the price here in the EU? No thanks. I've now ordered one of these, happy with my choice. That dial gives me confidence in being able to switch between brew methods repeatedly. The ensuing counter top annexation might not go down so well here at home, but I'll just have to take the flak on that!
I planned to pay my order for Z1 in August. But after adding the burrs selection, the bill was over CAD$2000. For this amount of money (and a bit more), I prefer to get something more “professional”. So, I changed my mind for the Philos. I will wait for Oct when the dealer has their inventory back in Oct.
The Z1 def moves into “boutique” zone as far as grinders. They are amazing, but basically built to order and configured to spec. The philos makes some compromises but makes a great offer for less than the Z1. Upping to an SSP really jumps the pricing of the Z1
For me it has three drawbacks: it’s massive, doesn’t use blind burrs, and the dial on the back of the unit is not handy. I still think the Zerno is worth the few hundred more, and in this price bracket, that’s basically not a big consideration.
Seconded on the adjustment not being a huge issue. The Z1s are fantastic grinders for sure, that wait time though 🥵 I wonder if someone will do a blind mounting mod. I would be surprised if mazzer does this
Interesting question. I’m about average height (US) at 175cm, and sitting on a chair behind the counter. Hope that is helpful lol. Here for any other of your coffee specific questions.
It's cool and all, but I don't understand Mazzer's marketing idea of aggressively hyping this grinder through north American influencers for the past 4 months yet it's not available for purchase and there is no st date for release in NA. Many people I know bought either the P64 or are on a waiting list for a Zerno.
I don't know for sure but I feel like there may have been some unforseen delays with the North American launch. I can absolutely vouch for the quality of the Z1, however a puchase today is still scheduled to dispatch Feb/Mar 2025 😳. I would be surprised if Philos' are not available on demand long before that in NA. Time will tell if Zerno can scale to meet demand!
I can confirm that Mazzer ran into some unexpected delays with US certification. However I can also confirm that the first batch of US grinders are currently on a boat from Italy, so expect them to be available in October, or November at the latest.
Filter vs espresso? And what burrs are you using in z1? I briefly tried the i200d burrs and really loved them for filter. But I find buying a pair and installing them in a z1 defeats the purpose of the blind burrs in the Z1 🤔
@@zach2954 Both. I have all the ssp blind burrs and non blind Omni mizen. I will get the mizen blinds when they come out. The big benefit of the zerno/philos is to change out burrs often.
Nailed it! And mazzer too! Im using my Philos with the i200D for about 3 months now and i love it eveyday, sold my p64 with MP and Labsweet so good is it! The price point is amazing! The build is so solid and hefty, ist feels great to touch and use it, thats a important point imo. Im using it mainly for espresso (light nordic roasts) and for me it hits the spot everytime, dialing in is super easy and you get the same extraction everytime. Im planning on to use it more for filter because the little bit of extra fines i get with the 200d help me with my weber bird brews! There is a little bit more "zing" to the brews than with my sculptor 078 sure its more juicy but also kinda boring 😅 Rabbit holes ... 🫶🏼 The Philos is the perfect grind for everybody in the SD world without that crazy ek43/eg-1 money! No worrys this thing kicks! 💪🏼
Thank you so much! Agreed - consistency shot to shot and ease of dial in is solid. So glad you have been enjoying it! I've got an 078 on deck for review as well!
@@_Brewn Do you happen to use a Blind Shaker or have you tried it with the Philos? I’m wondering if it works well to grind directly into it instead of the included catch cup since the diameter is likely different and I’m not sure it would work well with the magnetic holder at the back of the Philos…
@@aarjayemm This whole Shaker Thing is overrated... Tried it for a few weeks with different grinders but It's not worth it unless the shaker is already part of your grinder ( key, eg-1 ). A good Shake with the Philos Cup right before dosing in the portalfilter with a good wdt and you are good to Go 💪🏼
Mine arrived last week with the 200 burr set. The build is stunning, workflow simple and my coffee game has had a flavour boost. Dialling in for espresso took 3 shots! Cleaning takes minutes. Personally I think it looks wonderful on the counter and adjusting is such a non issue that I am amazed it is even mentioned. Love it.
That's exactly how I feel about mine.
Had mine 3 months now. Perfect grinder. Still don't know why more people do not use it rotated 90 degrees with the adjustment on the right . Just makes sense!! And it's then out of the way at the back of the counter!!
Mine arrived early July and im still in love with it. I used to grind with my C40 for filter and wanted a SD option for espresso to replace an Eureka Atom. Tested the Philos vs C40 for filter and the result is retirement for C40. Tested the Philos vs Atom for espresso and the result is retirement for Atom. Another guy in my city ordered the Philos with 189 burrs, then we tested them side by side for dark roasts, medium and lights. The result is retirement for 189 burrs Philos. 😂 and it looks absolutely great beside my Bezzera Strega.
@Horologiist Thanks for that feedback. I was going to buy the 189s when they came back in stock but maybe not now.
@adrianmichaelsmith It fits my space better straight on but I totally see why side on works too.
6:50 the framing twist while talking about parallelism…chef’s kiss 😍
When my commenters say “parallelism” instead of simply “alignment”…. chef’s kiss 😍😘☕️
I have the Philos for a month. Susprising how much of a game changer the grinder is.
It’s great
Got mine 2 weeks ago and chose the 1200 burrs.
I usually buy a 1kg bag of Brazilian coffee for my wife and i to drink as our daily driver.
We buy it from a local roaster and the flavour notes on the bag are typical of most Brazilian espresso-focussed roasts (chocolate / nuts etc)
I have been drinking this particular coffee on and off for the last 2 years - so i know what i can get from it..... But within the first 4 shots of using my new Mazzer Philos, I was getting flavours from it that i have never achieved before.
Its like it woke the coffee up and brought the flavours into 3d.
So i also bought a smaller 250g bag of washed Ethiopian to try with my aeropress and well lets just say that im in love with my aeropress again.
I expected my coffee to level up with this grinder - but not to the extent that it has.
I Love the way i dont need to break up clumps with any needle devices - so its one less step in prep.
I love the look of it and how solid it is.
I actually really like the way the grind adjustment is on the back - and despite what anyone says - you can adjust it EASILY with the grinder off - but even easier if you turn the grinder on and then adjust it.
Its a well designed - well engineered and well built grinder that is absolutely solid.
Wish I had it sooner! :D
What was your previous grinder?
@@JakubTarnawski embarrassed to say ... but a sage grinder pro. :)
@@ilfacone No idea why that would be embarrassing :) but it explains some of the large improvement I guess
@@JakubTarnawski I'm embarrassed only because it took me so long to upgrade it.
I spent like £1000 on a sage dual boiler instead of spending it on a grinder.
Schoolboy error man.
I use it since July, the workflow, build quality, consistency and the taste i think best in this price range. happy customer
💯💯💯💯
Thank you for your review and content. In your review of the Lagom Casa, you mentioned it did both filter and espresso very well, how would that compare to this grinder?
Hello,
Great video thanks. I was going for a modified mazer jolly but I think this one looks better and will be a real single dose and better to use from Expresso to pouring and then back to Expresso...
I don't know which burrs to choose, I am worried the multi purpose will not have enough body for Expresso. I use medium roast and one called lavazza for planet 6/10 as an everyday everybody coffee...
For a relatively small channel the video production quality is really great. Awesome work
Thank you so much! I work hard on this! 🥰☕️
The wait time on a Zerno is absolutely insane. I understand the whole small shop, hand made thing, but 6-12 months for a coffee grinder that is roughly on par or slightly better than the competition is pretty insane. Being hand made introduces some degree of variability too, and the forums are filled with people having issues. Maybe I’m just jaded with having to wait that long, but at this point I may as well just order the Mazzer and get incredible results now versus waiting a year for marginal improvements (maybe).
I don’t find the Philos terribly compelling, mostly because it looks like an absolute beast on the counter 😅 But this video convinced me to recommend the philos to my friend who needs a grinder upgrade for espresso. I’m still happy I chose the Z1, but glad to see Mazzer making advancements at a lower price point
I think the looks/size will end up being one of the more polarizing aspects of this grinder. But, the way they have engineered it does have performance benefits. Agreed that this is a fantastic entry in this price bracket!
Is this a significant upgrade over the DF64 gen2 in terms of taste? Or would the DF83v be a better purchase?
Bro, without price on the equation, which would you pick? Philos or Niche Duo?
Thanks for this video! Been waiting for this release in the US!! I ordered a Z1 (got on the waitlist this past April 2024, was able to pay and actually order in early August. But it's not coming until March or April 2025. (So that's what he's talking about folks. 1 year wait in the end) The Z1 was around $1800 with extra burrs ect, and that's a heavy price to not have anything besides a nice email confirmation for 6-8 months. I've been checking Mazzer's site for the release of the Philos since April as well, gonna get one of those in the meantime, but at this point, they still haven't released in the US! Getting close I guess. Will be cool to have both.
I wonder if you could pit the I200D burrs in the Z1, P64 or other 64 mm grinders.
Great vid, saw your original one on this. I bought the silver with i189 burrs. Sold my Ceado E37SD for this and this MAZZER is miles ahead in all areas despite having 64mm vs 83mm burrs. It’s a beast of a grinder, very high quality. The grind quality is so good that’s it’s noticeably better than my old Ceado at a much lower price point. Because of its design and pre breaking auger it produces amazing grinds without too many fines. Coffee is not getting re ground like beans just being dumped onto horizontal burrs like my old Ceado for example, and I immediately noticed a better tasting result because of this. I got mine for exactly £880 landed on my doorstep after paying customs taxes at 20% here in the UK and a small handling fee to UPS. It’s bargain of the premium grinders and a no brainer. Just get one!!
I did the same, with the 200d. Dealing with UPS UK is not an experience I want to repeat! 6 days of failure to deliver within London before I picked it up!
What great timing on finding this video. I am close to getting the Ceado E37SD. I know over the years it’s received minor updates and I’ve seen it sold with both titanium and opal coated burrs. So, how old was your e37SD and can you nerd out for me a little more on why you like the mazzer better? Thanks!!!
What great timing on finding this video. I am close to getting the Ceado E37SD. I know over the years it’s received minor updates and I’ve seen it sold with both titanium and opal coated burrs. So, how old was your e37SD and can you nerd out for me a little more on why you like the mazzer better? Thanks!!!
I was considering the Turing DF83v before the Philos came out, but the Philos has so many pros that it surpasses my love for tinkering, because I could just focus on experimenting on the coffee, instead of the gear.
Awesome review Justin! Been owning the Philos since its initial release, and can totally relate to your description of what it has going for it and the few critiques some could have. All in all, and besides it being quite heavy footprint on the countertop, it does great (I have 3 great manual grinders and 4 great electric grinders… which have all been shadowed by the no brainer approach of the Mazzer).
One thing I would add: on espresso, I pushed extractions above 22% and 23%, and it can take it without adding (relatively speaking compared to other grinders) too much astringency.
I have a Jazzer Kony electric for my espresso now and a not so good one for my V60. so absolutely an appealing choice. How much coffee can you grind at the time? We often make up to one liter at the time when we have guests and that requires about 60-63 grams.
Its a great grinder, but they need to redesign the attachment of the burrs to allow for blind burrs.
That would be dreamy. I would be surprised if they did this but anything is possible. I agree it would be a dreamy update!
When changing the burrs, did you mind the wiggle room on the moving burr? I find it hard to understand whether it is important to install it perfectly center… also: is torque important on the screws or do you just tighten them by hand?
Concentricity (side to side movement) is a lot less critical that parallelism for flat burrs. So for me it’s ok with a visual check. I did make sure it was as on-Center as possible visually every time I made a swap but this play isn’t a dealbreaker for me based on my observation and conversation with others. Torque is important in theory but no mfg gives torque specs that I’m aware of. I have considered getting a torque driver but currently do it by hand. Just make sure you are relatively consistent. I do hand tight plus 1/4 turn
I preordered this midway through your video! Now I need to get an espresso machine, maybe the Argos Odyssey.
You’re gonna love it! Would love to review the odyssey too
You’re gonna love it! Would love to review the odyssey too
@@DaddyGotCoffeeif i end up getting one delivered before march, i’d be open to a loan out for 60-90 days haha
This vs the DF83V. I'm debating whether to get the DF83V, which is readily available here in the Philippines (and cheaper), or wait for distributors to sell the Philos here (it's more expensive, but come on. It's Mazzer!).
That’s a good grinder for really reasonable price (1k € in Europe), but my favourite grinder is still Weber EG-1
Man I would love to review the EG1. I’m hesitant to let one into my house because I don’t think I would ever let it leave 😂
Idk if I should get the I200D or the I189D. I brew mostly med to med dark roasts, but I like light roasts here and there (I don't do filter. I only brew espresso). Three questions:
1. How's the clarity on the I189D?
2. How's the body on the I200D?
3. Which do you suggest I get?
@@karasong7701 i would recommend you the 189d they are a Bit better with mouthfeel and crema, but Not tooo Classic. The 200d have Really weak Crema and Not much Body, they are more Espresso Shot only Type of burrs. The 189d can handle light roast No doubt ✌🏼
Clarity on the 189s, I’d say they pull out sweetness but are not the most clear. I did get more clarity than say a 63mm conical though. Body on the 200s, lighter body, but def not tea like. I say silky/velvet as opposed to think and syrupy.
I really like the 200s. The 189s are not that expensive so it may be worth trying both?
@@_BrewnThe i200D burrs are fantastic making filter. I've been amazed at the clarity using them to make V60 pourover.
@karasong7701 Based on your preference for espresso, I would recommend the I189D. Mine arrived with this burr installed and the flavors I get from my espresso are incredible - I am comparing it to my Comandante conical burr hand grinder with red clix, which is one of the best hand grinders for espresso.
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks for answering! You're one of the best channels out there! I think I'm gonna go 189D.
What a great video! Well made and concise. You got a subscription for it!
Question, this is the first video I’ve seen about the Philos and I’m wondering how it compares to the Ceado e37SD. I’m looking for a holiday sale so I have a few weeks to sort this all out. I am a home brewer espresso enthusiast that makes the occasional drip or aeropress coffee. Thank you!
Unfortunately I had to return two Philos grinders that presented a consistent problem. It was unable to grind on a finer setting (15-10 in the dial which is within the stated espresso range by Mazzer.) Beans seem to get stuck at the pre breaker and clearly major issues need to be resolved. Have you tried grinding medium to dark roast beans on a fine setting?
I have and did not present this symptom. Very intrigued here. I do a very wide range of testing when making these. What size of dose were you using when this happened?
I also seasoned 3kg medium roast per burrset in nearly continuous runs at espresso range and did not have any issues with sticking beans.
Worth noting that the North American units run at a *slightly* higher RPM because of the power frequency
Thanks for getting back to me. 😊Each time I dosed 21g of beans with the motor running however the ‘sticking’ only occurred when grinding finer than around 15 on the dial; perfect at 22. Perhaps the rpm is a factor so hopefully Mazzer addresses/acknowledges the issue on units running at a lower rpm outside North America.
How do the 200D burrs compare to the 078s on espresso?
How much extra QC and tweaking do reviewer units get vs what we'd get from the normal supply chain?
I like to think I have a pretty good pulse on this, and overall I think it’s less than you would expect. Companies seem to (in my experience) err on the side of getting units to reviewers more quickly as opposed to making them perfectly polished. In this case, the first preproduction model had a significant hum because it had not been thoroughly tested on North American power (now resolved in the production model).
On the timemore 078s I got a very early unit that was terribly aligned. It was unfortunate because I don’t think that reflected the majority of delivered units, but it was so rough I really had to be blunt in my reporting.
Ironically some of the best performing units I have tested have been grabbed from stock shelves in a hurry during conferences or pulled from a local retailers general inventory 🤷♂️
Subscribed ! Found you via the vectis review. My journey - had a niche zero that was using for espresso -> started drinking filter exclusively and the Niche was difficult so moved to the 078; now going back to espresso part time and wondering whether to swap the niche for an espresso only grinder.. and which are the reasonable options
Hi! I'm just looking for a good electronic grinding machene, I like this band now I'm Using the comandante c40 + red clix, I just want to ask, I saw a video on your channel about C40, If this Mazzer Philos can do as small grains like comandante the 2click or 5 red click? I really need such small grains
pls reply
and thanx for the video!
Thanks for the great review!
You’re welcome!
Thanks for the video :)After these few months wich one do you prefer betwteen the philos and the zerno ?
Justin. Terrific content. Excellent overview of the Philos with indepth details on the pros and cons. After looking at your Zerno review, it seems the edge might go to Mazzer if one does both espresso and filter due to the 200d burrs. Since the Zerno mainly uses SSP burrs (or other 64mm burrs) which tend to emphasize either brew or espresso with maybe the exception of the SSPCV2 burrs. Any thoughts?
Thank you so much! One other option would be to buy some 200ds and throw them in a Z1 (they fit). If I had to choose one to sit on my counter forever, it would be the Z1. But, because of the long wait if I was buying today I may even consider buying a philos then selling it after the Z1 wait is over. Bottom line, both are great options with different pros and cons. I do like the 200ds as an all around burr more than almost all of SSPs options - the CV2 is the one set I don’t have yet and the set (I am guessing) is the most similar to the 200ds. Those are my thoughts! Not sure if that helps make a decision or makes it harder 🤣 thank you so much for the encouragement!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks for your additional thoughts. Very helpful. On waiting list for Zerno as I have 64 mm SSP CV1 already in my Ode Gen2’ which I plan to sell when I get the zerno or philos next year.
Awesome review been waiting for this follow up video, my mind is now made will be getting this grinder. I can see from you review and the comments below that its going to be a massive upgrade to my coffee. Then there is also the 64mm burrs that one could swop out in the future, which then allow you explore different flavour profiles.
Great Video! I bought the Philos with l200d off of your recommendation (and others) and it arrived today. It definitely looks better in person but the power cord doesn´t look good imo with its matt finish. I have couple of questions though, because it's my first electric grinder:
At what grind setting do you brew filter coffee? It looks like it´s around a 100 in the video
Is it normal that there are big grounds left in the Philos when grinding at a 100 and opening it afterwards?
And is it normal that there are also some very fine grinds when grinding very coarse?
I think I might have messed up when calibrating the grinder to zero because the butterfly screws where still open, that's why I´m asking :)
Thank you to anyone who knows and I know that some of those questions might be stupid 😅
No issues at all and happy to help! If you're not sure about your calibration, I would just re-do it with the butterfly screws tight. This could absolutely have an impact. Generally I am between 90-110 for the way I brew, typically 15-16g light roast brews! For me there is next to nothing left in the grinder after I use it, especially with the knocker. If there is anything left in there, its sometimes in the prebreaking chamber. I'll often let it run for a few seconds longer to make sure any extraneous remains in the prebreaking chamber make their way all the way through. There are some fines in the filter brew, it's not as unimodal as something like a pietro (which even that grinder has fines in the filter brews!)
Feel free to follow up or DM on IG - I am sure you will enjoy this one!
Just wanted to make sure you were aware of the Philos ability to hide the majority of the power cable in the base?
Thanks for the review. So from the burr chirp to burr lock you only had to turn it 3 clicks? Mine goes 10 clicks.
My production unit was between 2-3 clicks. My pre-production was 4 clicks
@@DaddyGotCoffee Just so I understood it correctly. You turn the dial till you hear chirp. Turn off the machine and see how many more clicks you can turn it right? Its hard but I can turn mine 10 clicks more from chirp with a bit of force.
@@Persasonwhich burrs do you have. why is this particular measure so important to you?
@@adrianmichaelsmith the i200d. I dont know. Doesnt it tell you how well aligned a grinder is?
Not my field which is why i asked 🫣. I would think the marker test shows alignment and would assume chirp to touching would vary somewhat with exact burr geometry. open to being corrected with an explanation if someone has one.
@@Persason
Also id say its next level compared to the df83v2 i had with everything floating on a wave spring and not so impressive machining compared to the philos.
Ive only found chirp once with the philos and thats somewhere around minus 8 now out of the way!!
Repeatability is 101% on the philos.
Great review! What are your thoughts on the Linea Mini I see on your counter? How does it compare to the Ascaso? Thanks!
I’ll be releasing a full review AND a comparison about this! :) in short, mini is a better user experience with fewer features at a slightly higher price. The T actually has a little more room to work in terms of cup clearance, steaming and layout of the group/wand etc. A big factor to consider for commercial is serviceability. Not can they be serviced but does a local mobile tech service them. Most DO service La Marzocco but not Ascaso. With commercial it’s not if you’ll have an issue but when, regardless of brand. When this happens you’ll need to weigh having to mail your machine in for service vs having a mobile tech come and fix it
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks for the reply. Great feedback. I just wish the water reservoir wasn't behind the drip tray on the mini.
Just got a P64 so I'm not in the market but I see you have the new Mini R. Will you be doing a video on that? Much has been said about it already but would still be interested in your thoughts and comparison to your Ascaso. Thanks
Will be releasing a full review and comparison video as well!
Still waiting on my z1, Mel(owner) being so active in the community is what convinced me. Retention on the philos is seriously impressive though
Brilliant review thank you! The comparison with the Zerno was especially useful.
Thank you!
@DaddyGotCoffee you're welcome. Will you consider comparing these new high end 64mm grinders to the P64? Alignment is the main thing I'm interested in honestly.
I really need to get my hands on a P64
Would you be able to talk about how you go from stepped to stepless?
I pre-ordered the grinder in Canada but in Canada, it can be ordered with 200 burrs only. I drink dark roast espresso, would I get away with 200 or will i have to order I189 once they become available?
Personally I think you’ll be happier with the 189s if you are only doing darker roasts and espresso rather than filter. Good news is they are not too much. I’d email mazzer with your pre-order number and I’d bet they could make a change if you wanted to switch. The 200s are a great all around burr for filter and med/light espresso
@@DaddyGotCoffee it looks like in Canada it is all going through the reseller and the reseller is not offering the i189 as an option. The MSRP on i189 is $US130
Really loved the breakdown, great video! I was curious if the 200-D burrs would fit in another 64mm grinder, like the Z1 or DF64?
They fit in the Z1 but if you’re set up for blind burrs obviously you would need to tweak the config (obv! :) I have not tried the df64 but don’t see why they wouldn’t!
Mazzer may not necessarily fit easily into DF64. The inner diameter and/or thin thickness might affect grind adjustment to where can’t grind fine enough or align correctly. More folk trying 64mm burrs across platforms are discovering beyond the SSP they don’t easily swap or dial in just because 64mm or even 83mm. Ironically the original DF64 from few years ago with sketchier alignment build tolerance actually allowed for more swap ability ie more grinder designed to maximize a particular burr more difficult to swap in other mfg’s burrs. Regards
Thank you for well curated and thoughtful review. Wish you’d compile a p64 review too.
I really need to get my hands on a P64. By all accounts they are fantastic, but facing more competition these days!
Thanks for the review! How would you compare the flavour profile of the 200D burrs to the 1zpresso k-ultra? I know, completely different type of grinder but it's currently the only grinder I own and I see that you also have a review of the k-ultra. It would give me a better idea what I'll get if I choose the Philos which is currently #1 on my shortlist. I drink 90% light/medium roast beans.
Secondly do you think the 200d would still make an acceptable iced caramel latte? You mentioned that the 200d makes espresso that doesn't punch well through milk, my girlfriend ( the one that drinks the iced lattes ) isn't that particular with coffee but I still don't want to give her decent iced lattes.
Merhaba, K Ultra daha asidik bir sonuç veriyor. Philos ise asiditenin daha az ve tatların daha belirgin hissedildiği çıktılar sunuyor. L200D Philos geldiğinden beri K-Ultra'mı çok az kullandım.
Bought this in preparation of moving out. Super keen to use it :D What of your opinions on pros and cons for the black vs the silver? I heard the silver tends to look more starchy in certain lighting
The black absolutely shows dust more. The silver finish is what I would say a pretty rough brushed. Not rough to the touch but in terms of how it looks. The individual brush marks are noticeable and catch the light. Having seen both I would prob say I prefer the black even though most of my preferred equipment is lighter
Thank you for the video. I do prefer single dose griders, it definitely will be my next home daily use grinder.
Single dose life 🔥
@@DaddyGotCoffee Yesss, I am not a café owner !!!
😁😁😁
You mention it is compared to P64 and Z1.....Is the DF83Variable that much better, that it is not compared to it?
Won't running the motor while the burrs are touching until you hear a chirp damage them?
ISC Racer Tape (helicopter tape) would be perfect for the metal plate that the grind cup sits on.
I will look this up!
I ordered a zerno on their last drop, and while it does feel bad to wait for it to come in, not having to give my grinder a reach around to adjust grind size is gonna be a big plus lmao. Great review, it does look like a solid option, but the allure of the zerno still has me
Very easy to make grind size adjustment. I like mine.
It’s just so large for a 64mm grinder. For that footprint I think I’d rather spend more and get higher end and larger burrs. But in actuality I am on the Zerno List because while big burrs are cool, the Zerno is awesome and probably THE BEST Home grinder. The size and perfect alignment is just a notch above IMHO.
Also a price and wait time that’s a notch above 🤣 (coming from an owner!) The Philos is big, it’s also very well aligned due to the way it’s engineered, and can be manufactured at scale and lower cost as a result. It’s all tradeoffs! 😊
Placing my order soon! The 200 burr option seem to ether ones to go for. How do you think it pairs with a Niche Zero as a flat & conical end-game grinder lineup?
For traditional style espresso the Niche Zero is still a really great grinder. There are other conical options out there that are even better but you can spend more than the Philos that way!
Btw, they will be paired with a white LMLM R so loved your shots with the Philosophers on one side and the Key on the other….
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks for the feedback. My intention is to use the Niche for the traditional espresso shots and milk based drinks and the Philos with 200D burrs for lighter roasts both espresso and filter…
This will be a great combo!
Bummer no blind burrs and it looks rather large. That said, this sounds like a very interesting machine!
Any plans to review the Key mk 2? There are like 0 reviews on UA-cam and I absolutely love mine, it's even good for filter at 30 rpm with the integrated slow feed.
Absolutely! That one will be coming!
When will is actually be in stock for the US??
I’ve asked for clarity here - I’m not sure right now!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks and nice review.
They are currently en route from Europe. Expect them to be on sale on the US before the end of October.
@@barnabyholmes8879 I saw the pre-order email but probably will wait and see what the production units end up being like after they get released and I see some reviews.
Looks like a piece of art☕️😎
It’s a looker!
Am I the only one who dislikes it looks?
@@zl6198yes
You think it’s worth waiting the couple of months to get a philos in the USA? Eying other options since I’m so impatient 😂
Happy to report that they will be available in the US within a month. They are currently en route from Europe as we speak :)
What about vs. an 078s?
I reviewed the 078s. Unfortunately I feel like I got an unfortunately rough outlier from the pre-production days. Alignment was very poor and it was extremely difficult to dial in. It took a ton of seasoning for the burrs to settle and struggled with fidelity. However, once I got all that sorted the burrs were nice. Not convinced my experience was universal because there were plenty of reviewers who didn’t have any alignment issues. Overall the philos is a lot more robust. Way easier to clean and lower retention also.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks. I have one and now that it’s settled, I think it’s pretty great across both espresso and filter, but I don’t make enough espresso to really put it through its paces.
@@chadw6593 I sold my 078S to get the philos. im very happy with that trade, the Philos is excelent.
100% I would take the Zerno over the Philos. $350 price difference, but you can take ~$100 off that for difference in burr price because of premium coating. Better alignment, quieter, smaller, way better aesthetics (IMO), option for blind burrs, option for different augers, likely better customer support, small indie company vibes, all of this is easily justified for the extra $250 and the wait time (I have a NZ I can keep using in the mean time)
What’s the dosing cup he uses?
Great review - it’s a really interesting option but frankly just too big. I know without even asking that my wife will object to the size. The Zerno is much more svelte and I don’t mind the wait for one.
Does the grind setting change if you slow feed the beans vs direct feed? And do you mean it does brew and espresso "unicornly" well using the 2 burr sets, or with one or the other? As you mentioned 1 is better suited for medium to light. People doing brew and espresso will want a dedicated brew grinder, because of the point you brought up. The roast type is not what users will want to swap burrs for. If we want espresso from a grinder, we want dark to light. But we dont expect that grinder to do brew. Maybe you can help clarify this soup you heated up :-)
Any plans to review the DF83V? I have that and I’m loving it. It’s great for its price
I do have one of these in the review queue!
Nice review Justin! I'm enjoying my Philos for making filter coffee. Pretty amazed at the clarity of the i200D burrs and how easy it is yo make grind size adjustments.
Agreed here!
Sey Keramo @0:11 ? I've been brewing it as pourover, bet it would make a killer milk based drink.
You got it! It’s Keramo
Ima sick this thing next to my bambino plus lolol
Haters gonna hate 🤣
Seriously though, would probably be a good setup? I''m coming from a Breville Barista Express, moved countries and now looking for a new set up. This grinder would never need upgrading and would probably make very solid espresso drinks with the Bambino right?
Dammit, I kind of dialed myself in for a Key(MK2) or HG2 (MK2)...but all those praising philos reviews...the looks...the good reputation and experience of the brand...
And the fair pricepoint....aaaah!
I have a Key MKII on bar right now and it’s really great too 🤣 But also at twice the price. I think the important thing to recognize is none of them are perfect so you just gotta find the set of compromises that works for you at your budget!
I like the looks of the Key, the small footprint and the workflow...and the more clear-but-still-conical Profile.
And the MK2 features afaik a bottom bearing fot better alignment...so I am looking forward to your review. Really surprised how I like the style of your reviews (oh no, not yet another coffee influencer). Keep up the good work, thanks for your words 😀
@@DaddyGotCoffeelooking forward to your review of the Key mk ii. I haven’t found many detailed reviews of it. Would you be also willing to share your recommended grinder pairing for your new LM Linea Mini? I have one on order and debating an upgrade to my Niche Zero. We are an espresso only house.
Can someone report how Philos 189D compared against Timemore 78s? Very tempting 😂
I would put the 078 a little closer to the 200ds than the 189s. Lighter body while still retaining a pillowy mouthfeel, good separation.
Did you move on from your Ascaso?
I still have it, but for the next season I’ll be using the Mini-R
Where is linea mini R review?
It’s coming!
As soon as we have a premium single dose grinder that doesn’t require the extra messy step of RDT then I’ll buy it. Until then come up with new technology please.
If you live in Europe, because of Eu taxes and import fees, Zerno is twice the price.
Next endgame grinder - LOL! Nice video though, thanks!
Wondered who would catch that 🤣☕️
release date in Canada?
I’ll try and get it!
Thank you for your reviews, they really helped my decision-making process.
I'd been looking for something that will be good out of the box, give a modern profile, and last who knows, maybe a life time.
Your 078s experience was an eye-opener. I then signed up for the Z1 waitlist but that delay for nearly twice the price here in the EU? No thanks.
I've now ordered one of these, happy with my choice. That dial gives me confidence in being able to switch between brew methods repeatedly. The ensuing counter top annexation might not go down so well here at home, but I'll just have to take the flak on that!
Better than the niche Duo?
I planned to pay my order for Z1 in August. But after adding the burrs selection, the bill was over CAD$2000.
For this amount of money (and a bit more), I prefer to get something more “professional”.
So, I changed my mind for the Philos. I will wait for Oct when the dealer has their inventory back in Oct.
The Z1 def moves into “boutique” zone as far as grinders. They are amazing, but basically built to order and configured to spec. The philos makes some compromises but makes a great offer for less than the Z1. Upping to an SSP really jumps the pricing of the Z1
For me it has three drawbacks: it’s massive, doesn’t use blind burrs, and the dial on the back of the unit is not handy. I still think the Zerno is worth the few hundred more, and in this price bracket, that’s basically not a big consideration.
You'd be surprised how visible and easy it is to adjust grind size. I really like my Philos.
Seconded on the adjustment not being a huge issue. The Z1s are fantastic grinders for sure, that wait time though 🥵 I wonder if someone will do a blind mounting mod. I would be surprised if mazzer does this
9:50 What the heck was that?! Didn't you like the shot? 😆
I make funny faces when drinking espresso 🤣
@@DaddyGotCoffee Got it....👍 First time here. I have to ask...do you have high countertops, or are you just short?
Interesting question. I’m about average height (US) at 175cm, and sitting on a chair behind the counter. Hope that is helpful lol. Here for any other of your coffee specific questions.
@@DaddyGotCoffee If you were a coffee, witch one would you be?
@@aspedersen1bro what? 😂
Got a DF83-V, beats it by far
Way2big 😂
It's cool and all, but I don't understand Mazzer's marketing idea of aggressively hyping this grinder through north American influencers for the past 4 months yet it's not available for purchase and there is no st date for release in NA. Many people I know bought either the P64 or are on a waiting list for a Zerno.
I don't know for sure but I feel like there may have been some unforseen delays with the North American launch. I can absolutely vouch for the quality of the Z1, however a puchase today is still scheduled to dispatch Feb/Mar 2025 😳. I would be surprised if Philos' are not available on demand long before that in NA. Time will tell if Zerno can scale to meet demand!
I can confirm that Mazzer ran into some unexpected delays with US certification. However I can also confirm that the first batch of US grinders are currently on a boat from Italy, so expect them to be available in October, or November at the latest.
@@barnabyholmes8879 if that's the case, it's amazing and I can't wait. I was about to give up and get the timemore but I'll hold off for a bit more.
I prefer my zerno over my philos. I get 5-8 microns from chirp to lock.
Filter vs espresso? And what burrs are you using in z1? I briefly tried the i200d burrs and really loved them for filter. But I find buying a pair and installing them in a z1 defeats the purpose of the blind burrs in the Z1 🤔
@@zach2954 Both. I have all the ssp blind burrs and non blind Omni mizen. I will get the mizen blinds when they come out. The big benefit of the zerno/philos is to change out burrs often.
Looks like a meat grinder.
Not the first I’ve heard this and yup, I can totally see it
ek43 is still the best one
Nailed it! And mazzer too! Im using my Philos with the i200D for about 3 months now and i love it eveyday, sold my p64 with MP and Labsweet so good is it!
The price point is amazing! The build is so solid and hefty, ist feels great to touch and use it, thats a important point imo.
Im using it mainly for espresso (light nordic roasts) and for me it hits the spot everytime, dialing in is super easy and you get the same extraction everytime.
Im planning on to use it more for filter because the little bit of extra fines i get with the 200d help me with my weber bird brews! There is a little bit more "zing" to the brews than with my sculptor 078 sure its more juicy but also kinda boring 😅
Rabbit holes ... 🫶🏼
The Philos is the perfect grind for everybody in the SD world without that crazy ek43/eg-1 money! No worrys this thing kicks! 💪🏼
Thank you so much! Agreed - consistency shot to shot and ease of dial in is solid. So glad you have been enjoying it! I've got an 078 on deck for review as well!
@@_Brewn Do you happen to use a Blind Shaker or have you tried it with the Philos? I’m wondering if it works well to grind directly into it instead of the included catch cup since the diameter is likely different and I’m not sure it would work well with the magnetic holder at the back of the Philos…
The magnet polarity is correct but its a little messy because the shaker is shorter than the mazzer cup and it does rattle a bit against the arm
@@DaddyGotCoffee maybe using some raiser of sort for the shaker then…..
@@aarjayemm This whole Shaker Thing is overrated... Tried it for a few weeks with different grinders but It's not worth it unless the shaker is already part of your grinder ( key, eg-1 ). A good Shake with the Philos Cup right before dosing in the portalfilter with a good wdt and you are good to Go 💪🏼