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Thanks for the video. A simple fix for the side to side adjustment, is a gauge block for the 6, 8 and 10. Put the gauge block on one side and adjust it, then move it to the other side and adjust. Go to table saw and cut your gauge block, 3D print.
People who can afford Festool will still buy a domino. People who were never going to buy Festool are the potential customers for Kreg's MortiseMate. Therefore, it's not really a "Domino killer", just a more affordable option for people who weren't going to have a Domino at all.
I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025. Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
I broke down and bought a Domino about 2.5 years ago to build my first high grade (QS White Oak) bedroom furniture. It hurt. I admit it. But the pain is gone now, and I can’t honestly say I’m glad to have the ease and versatility of the Domino after watching this.
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140. So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons. Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
That festool is amazing, this jig can't compare.. But if you can't afford the festool, the kreg is something you could use but it's goi g to be a lot of fiddling and will take a lot more time. The festool going to give you results you can accomplish quickly and be confident about. Thanks for the video
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
Let’s call this a 1st prototype. Hopefully Kreg listens to customer feedback and gives us a few updated versions down the road. This has potential with a few minor upgrades. Similar to what they did with their pocket-hole jigs. Awesome product review as always! 😎❤️
I’ve just looked up price in uk £280 for jig and £56 for replacement bits. I thought £80 max would be the price point. I will stick with my dowel jig that cost £20 !
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Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
You could drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood and slide the long side of the allen wrench in the whole. The hole would probably wear out over time, but it would work. Great video man.
Love the Kreg pocket hole makers...I'm a general contractor, so I've done like two mortices ( door locks) in my career...This looks like a good tool for those that use mortise and tenon...Thanks for the review.
Another way to align the side stops would be to use a t-stop ruler or vernier calipers against the side of the jig then adjust the stops so the bit hits the stop/ caliper at the same distance on both sides.
Not a Domino killer. Not even close. The Domino is for rapid and precise joinery which can be applied at angles and not just when you can clamp the thing down on a workbench using their support. Get the Domino or use something like the DowelMax. I'd rather use the DowelMax doweling jig than either the Kreg or the Jessem "Domino killer".
As soon as multiple set screws get involved, you know it's the same old story.. another alternative that just doesn't offer the same level of ease-of-use, precision, and repeatability.
@@harpintn Sure, but I'm not sure you read all that I wrote. For a bit LESS money you can get the DowelMax. Once you learn the thing (it doesn't really take that long) you should be doing dowel joints faster than if one gets the Kreg Mortisemate and I think it is a good bet that the DowelMax joints will be stronger. And the DowelMax will be a darn sight more versatile as well. I think the Kreg Mortisemate is simply a bad deal. The Jessem unit seems likely to be better but I'd still go with a good doweling jig (and Jessem makes good doweling jigs). Every which way I look at it I don't see value in the Kreg Mortisemate. It doesn't come close to what the Domino will do and if you look at the price point I'd go with the good doweling jig over the Mortisemate every time. Understand, I'm not trying to disrespect Kreg. I've a number of their products and will probably get more.
@@oldguy1030 I am not familiar with the Dowel Max The last time I used a dowel they only had very crude jigs, or you had to use a horizontal boring machine. I had a friend with a Shop Smith that used it for dowels back in the day.
Seems like you could clamp your workpiece down and flip this little device upside down on top of your workpiece, much like theFestool. I suppose it still needs a clamp but I think something could be screwed to the base plate that would make that fairly quick and easy. Definitely something to consider for us weekend Warriors. Of course, I've been using dowels for years and they worked pretty well.
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
New and fancy. But Aliexpress already sells a nice mortise jig with sliders for laminate routers for $55. And a lam router at Walmart is $25. If your goal is to have a $1700 Festool or a $300 Kreg, then go for it. If your goal is to cut aligned mortises for low cost, then...
Turn buckles use right-handed threads on one end of the screw & left-handed on the opposite end. That would solve the centering problem. It would use one threaded shaft to move both ends simultaneously to always maintain centered. Scissors jacks use the same principle to raise a car straight up. When you crank the screw it pulls or pushes the two ends together or apart simultaneously.
I got the kreg pocket hole tool as it was suggested with some desk plans I wanted to build. Absolutely loved it. Never thought I'd have so many uses for it but I've done so many projects with it now. Desks, tables, stools, noodleboards. Kreg makes a lot of tools I want now.
They do make a pretty good pocket jig. Mostly it is fairly inexpensive, pretty decent versatility, and fairly good joinery. All that makes it a pretty good value. The pros will use different gear for most cabinetry. Part of the reason is because they can make the pocket holes faster - but also stronger. The Castle 110 is probably the best for strong pocket hole joints but the cost is much higher, you can't get plugs for the holes, you can't use it on thick material (like a 2x4), its use is just a little bit more involved, and its router makes an unholy racket when compared to the drill motor you use with the Kreg jig.
Ditto. I bought the Porter Cable Biscuit joiner I saw Norm using all the time. I still have tubes of biscuits from back then. I have to pull them out and see if they still work or if humidity swelled them. I haven't used it in 20 years but if I ever need it, I know right where it's sitting
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
Allen Key Storage: Get some rubber or plastic tubing that the key fits snugly in, then drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood base big enough to accept the tubing and deep enough for the key to slide all the way in. Finish up by using CA glue to secure the tubing and Bob's your uncle.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
Well, I don't use this type of connection yet. What I want to know is what do you call those screw in to your work that lets you use bolts? It has course external threads to grab the sides of your hole and internal threads for bolts.
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
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This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs. One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
All the strength is in the glue on the face of the tenon, not on the sides. Similar to a biscuit joiner. So a slightly wider mortise will allow you to adjust during glue up.
I bet if you mount this to a mobile workbench you can work around the clumsiness. Better yet, set it up to hinge down below the bench surface to keep the bench functional.
The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
For larger panels, could you use the tool upside down, using the top surface as the reference? That might be easier than trying to shim it well enough to use it conventionally.
Based solely on watching this in use in the video, I wonder if a longer handle might improve it? That would give more clearance between your hand and the drill as the handle is moved side to side. I don't see this as a flaw, just as something that might make a cool idea slightly easier to use.
Your mortise bit cutting insert should not be falling out unless you have super chilled the shaft. It's normal for inserts to be mounted into shafts like this, but it's more like a bearing fit tolerance and should never fall/pull out that easy.
Great review and tool....BUT, Ryobi biscuit joiner is only slightly over half the cost and does the same thing (seems like a better option). I will say, this does look to be able to handle smaller joins, but not sure.
Might be great for casual hobbyist if you don't care about speed. Festool is geared toward pros for whom time is money. More options with the domino in that you are bringing the tool to the material. Think about how you would join plywood panels for cabinets and you can see where the domino is superior.
How long does it take to do each joint with either tool? What if we compare a third option - Pantorouter? Is messing with set screws faster than swapping panto templates? At present I have none of the above in my shop, but always appreciate info on which target to save for.
I appreciate that Kreg is offering a quality product for folks that are looking for something like this. That being said. I don't think I would choose to purchase this over a quality dowling jig. In fact, it seems like a good dowling jig would actually be less fiddly to use and I can just use generic dowels instead of having to buy special Kreg tenons. In the end, it seems more clap-trappy than a dowling jig and slower than an actual domino.
Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review. For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path. Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost. Thanks for your review!!!
It seems like an easy way to center would be to cut a mortice. Measure exact center and mark top. Clamp to line up center lines then set the bit to touch each side
What a fabulous idea from Kreg. I think it's an absolutely marvelous tool! I haven't seen one in person, but I do love your presentation, Matt! 😃😃😃❤❤❤ I'd say Kreg nailed it! Thank you very much!!
I watched your review and also Wood Whisperers video too.I am still saving up for a domino :D .Until then i will use my doweling jig which cost me 20bucks with 3 drill bits and a ton of dowels. Every manufacturer wants a piece of that sweet domino pie and we get a ton of "killers" but they are not even close.
I run a production shop. I bought a Domino on the day they were released 20 or so years ago. I use my it nearly every day and if it broke, I'd buy another that day.
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Agreed
Thanks for the video.
A simple fix for the side to side adjustment, is a gauge block for the 6, 8 and 10. Put the gauge block on one side and adjust it, then move it to the other side and adjust. Go to table saw and cut your gauge block, 3D print.
I don't think anyone at Festool are losing any sleep over this one, but it's always good to see companies innovate. We win in the end
People who can afford Festool will still buy a domino. People who were never going to buy Festool are the potential customers for Kreg's MortiseMate. Therefore, it's not really a "Domino killer", just a more affordable option for people who weren't going to have a Domino at all.
the more domino killers I see the more Im convinced I need a domino and not a cheap alternative
Exactly
Unless you get a pantorouter
@@Cessna172G I would love me one
once you go green, you will never go back.
Me too, but I'll stick to dowels. They're affordable, *stronger*, and more accessible.
I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
Agreed.
@@ST-0311^^^^^^
Hands down. In fact I’ve watched a strength comparison (we all know how those go who knows how accurate they are) but the dowel was strongest joint.
100% agree. In fact, I think they are better because the dowels are spread over a wider area.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
Which website is this on? Fellow European from Ireland
I was wondering a similar thing. I think it's quite overpriced for what it is. A dowelmax may be a bit more cumbersome, but seems equally valid
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025.
Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
Agree , this looks like a massive pain in the arse compared to festool
As a weekend warrior, i saved up for a domino.
This is nice, but i agree, nice product but time consuming.
I do like that it doesn’t require power.
Weekend woodworker here…I’d rather have a Domino, saving up for one now.
I broke down and bought a Domino about 2.5 years ago to build my first high grade (QS White Oak) bedroom furniture. It hurt. I admit it. But the pain is gone now, and I can’t honestly say I’m glad to have the ease and versatility of the Domino after watching this.
I got mine a couple days ago, and yours is the first video I've seen where someone took the time to show assembly and dialing it in. Thanks!
Glad to be of help!
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
Enjoy your videos, but PLEASE stop with the whole "Game Over" thumbnails. It's just obnoxious.
Its for the clicks. Annoying yes but it's great for getting engagement
Snap!! Game over!
the clickbait titles are just as offputting: "XYZ Killer?" "Total Gamechanger??!"
The price you pay for FREE content! 😀
Agree
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
Fellow roofer by trade and I diy carpentry as well. I feel the same
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140.
So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons.
Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
Thanks for doing the math. I appreciate that!
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
Thanx, all i needed to know to actually buy a festool domino!
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
That festool is amazing, this jig can't compare.. But if you can't afford the festool, the kreg is something you could use but it's goi g to be a lot of fiddling and will take a lot more time. The festool going to give you results you can accomplish quickly and be confident about. Thanks for the video
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
For the once or twice a year I might think about wanting to domino join two pieces, the Kreg is a cost effective solution. Thanks for the review.
I've seen a review on this which points out the excessive slop in the mortises with the dominos provided.
Like its loose?
Me too. And as a tooling machinist who makes assemblies, I'm not a fan of it.
Let’s call this a 1st prototype. Hopefully Kreg listens to customer feedback and gives us a few updated versions down the road. This has potential with a few minor upgrades. Similar to what they did with their pocket-hole jigs. Awesome product review as always! 😎❤️
I’ve just looked up price in uk £280 for jig and £56 for replacement bits. I thought £80 max would be the price point. I will stick with my dowel jig that cost £20 !
The products from Kreg are really, really good.
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Biscuits were good enough for Norm they are good enough for me
Just can't use biscuits to join 1-1/2" cabinet face frames.
@@jeffreydove821 Norm used pocket holes for that
@@jeffreydove821they make smaller FF size biscuits for face frames. You do have to switch to a smaller cutter, though.
Thank you very much
You did a GREAT job explaining everything
I am going to get one
Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
You could drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood and slide the long side of the allen wrench in the whole. The hole would probably wear out over time, but it would work. Great video man.
Love the Kreg pocket hole makers...I'm a general contractor, so I've done like two mortices ( door locks) in my career...This looks like a good tool for those that use mortise and tenon...Thanks for the review.
Purchased the 3 size Jessem dowel kit last year. I am sticking with that. It's only a matter of time until Festool has a true competitor.
Another way to align the side stops would be to use a t-stop ruler or vernier calipers against the side of the jig then adjust the stops so the bit hits the stop/ caliper at the same distance on both sides.
I have a Mortise Master and it works really well!
I does need a router, BUT I already had one of those.....
Not a Domino killer. Not even close.
The Domino is for rapid and precise joinery which can be applied at angles and not just when you can clamp the thing down on a workbench using their support.
Get the Domino or use something like the DowelMax. I'd rather use the DowelMax doweling jig than either the Kreg or the Jessem "Domino killer".
As soon as multiple set screws get involved, you know it's the same old story.. another alternative that just doesn't offer the same level of ease-of-use, precision, and repeatability.
This jug is a low cost alternative for someone that does a few projects a year as a hobby. They have an different market that they are going after.
@@harpintn Sure, but I'm not sure you read all that I wrote.
For a bit LESS money you can get the DowelMax. Once you learn the thing (it doesn't really take that long) you should be doing dowel joints faster than if one gets the Kreg Mortisemate and I think it is a good bet that the DowelMax joints will be stronger. And the DowelMax will be a darn sight more versatile as well.
I think the Kreg Mortisemate is simply a bad deal. The Jessem unit seems likely to be better but I'd still go with a good doweling jig (and Jessem makes good doweling jigs).
Every which way I look at it I don't see value in the Kreg Mortisemate. It doesn't come close to what the Domino will do and if you look at the price point I'd go with the good doweling jig over the Mortisemate every time.
Understand, I'm not trying to disrespect Kreg. I've a number of their products and will probably get more.
@@oldguy1030 I am not familiar with the Dowel Max The last time I used a dowel they only had very crude jigs, or you had to use a horizontal boring machine. I had a friend with a Shop Smith that used it for dowels back in the day.
Seems like you could clamp your workpiece down and flip this little device upside down on top of your workpiece, much like theFestool. I suppose it still needs a clamp but I think something could be screwed to the base plate that would make that fairly quick and easy. Definitely something to consider for us weekend Warriors. Of course, I've been using dowels for years and they worked pretty well.
Great video as always Matt keep up the great work. Definitely going to check this new tool out. Thanks for sharing
man this Kreg guy just doesnt miss
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
OMG - "this" is so friggen cool!
Great review!
The whole USP of the Domino system is that it's fast and accurate, this thing looks little better than a dowel jig so it isn't killing anything.
I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
New and fancy. But Aliexpress already sells a nice mortise jig with sliders for laminate routers for $55. And a lam router at Walmart is $25. If your goal is to have a $1700 Festool or a $300 Kreg, then go for it. If your goal is to cut aligned mortises for low cost, then...
Turn buckles use right-handed threads on one end of the screw & left-handed on the opposite end. That would solve the centering problem. It would use one threaded shaft to move both ends simultaneously to always maintain centered.
Scissors jacks use the same principle to raise a car straight up. When you crank the screw it pulls or pushes the two ends together or apart simultaneously.
I got the kreg pocket hole tool as it was suggested with some desk plans I wanted to build. Absolutely loved it. Never thought I'd have so many uses for it but I've done so many projects with it now. Desks, tables, stools, noodleboards. Kreg makes a lot of tools I want now.
They do make a pretty good pocket jig. Mostly it is fairly inexpensive, pretty decent versatility, and fairly good joinery. All that makes it a pretty good value.
The pros will use different gear for most cabinetry. Part of the reason is because they can make the pocket holes faster - but also stronger.
The Castle 110 is probably the best for strong pocket hole joints but the cost is much higher, you can't get plugs for the holes, you can't use it on thick material (like a 2x4), its use is just a little bit more involved, and its router makes an unholy racket when compared to the drill motor you use with the Kreg jig.
Love that you give Ryobi some air time, even if it's just a prop. Ryobi tools are underrated, IMHO.
Nice Tudor FXD. Two of my fave things, woodworking and watches...nice!
thanks!
I still have and use the biscuit tool that I bought back in the 80s
Ditto. I bought the Porter Cable Biscuit joiner I saw Norm using all the time. I still have tubes of biscuits from back then. I have to pull them out and see if they still work or if humidity swelled them. I haven't used it in 20 years but if I ever need it, I know right where it's sitting
@rolandk2403 Yup, mine is the Porter Cable too.
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
I think the Universe just needs an M18 Domino
YES!! 💯
Most definitely, they would make a killing
Allen Key Storage: Get some rubber or plastic tubing that the key fits snugly in, then drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood base big enough to accept the tubing and deep enough for the key to slide all the way in. Finish up by using CA glue to secure the tubing and Bob's your uncle.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
Well, I don't use this type of connection yet. What I want to know is what do you call those screw in to your work that lets you use bolts? It has course external threads to grab the sides of your hole and internal threads for bolts.
Awesome review! I just added this to my "Need" list!!
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
i think you did a great job showcasing this product, it was shown on another channel but not as detailed, keep up the good work
Glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the feedback!
Could you do a review on Saker measuring tools? I enjoy your channel. 90% of the tools I’ve purchased is because of your recommendations. And I name drop your name on social media every chance I get. Thanks again!
I watched someone else review this last week and they never mentioned what you did here, 4:50. That's a huge overlook on their part.
As soon as he showed that I let out an audible "mmmmmm"
Kreg worked with JessEm who has a very similar Loose Tenon system that puts the drill on the top. They are phasing theirs out.
I love my Porter Cable biscuit joiner.
Same here with my Harbor Freight one for a fifth of the price, built a great kitchen including 1/2" ply drawers using 00's...
This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs.
One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
great job, now have to look at it deeper.
If you are starting the setup and it’s currently centered… Turn the set screws at the same time the same amount.
Good video! I been learning a lot from your videos! God bless you man
Thanks so much for watching!
Great video, great product.
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
I'm not dyslexic but I first read this as "Keurig just changed wood joiner" and was very interested.
All the strength is in the glue on the face of the tenon, not on the sides. Similar to a biscuit joiner. So a slightly wider mortise will allow you to adjust during glue up.
I bet if you mount this to a mobile workbench you can work around the clumsiness. Better yet, set it up to hinge down below the bench surface to keep the bench functional.
Great job! Thanks for doing this.
The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
Dowelmax is even better choice than that. And for less $
Great video GOD bless y'all
For larger panels, could you use the tool upside down, using the top surface as the reference? That might be easier than trying to shim it well enough to use it conventionally.
At 15:24, can't you just flip the mortise mate upside down and put it on the top of your work piece too, just as you do with the domino?
Thank you for this video. Love the channel
Thanks for watching!
Something from Kreg actually made from metal? I like it
Interesting, thanks for the video!
Awesome watch!!
Thank you
If the cutter is friction fit what keeps it from getting hung up in the wood and allowing the shaft to spin around it?
friction fit into the shaft but appears to be a hex to prevent spinning
Based solely on watching this in use in the video, I wonder if a longer handle might improve it? That would give more clearance between your hand and the drill as the handle is moved side to side. I don't see this as a flaw, just as something that might make a cool idea slightly easier to use.
Your mortise bit cutting insert should not be falling out unless you have super chilled the shaft. It's normal for inserts to be mounted into shafts like this, but it's more like a bearing fit tolerance and should never fall/pull out that easy.
Great review and tool....BUT, Ryobi biscuit joiner is only slightly over half the cost and does the same thing (seems like a better option). I will say, this does look to be able to handle smaller joins, but not sure.
Thanks for the demo. Where can I find your shop apron?
greatvideo, great pointers on the tool improvements.......
Might be great for casual hobbyist if you don't care about speed. Festool is geared toward pros for whom time is money. More options with the domino in that you are bringing the tool to the material. Think about how you would join plywood panels for cabinets and you can see where the domino is superior.
How long does it take to do each joint with either tool? What if we compare a third option - Pantorouter? Is messing with set screws faster than swapping panto templates? At present I have none of the above in my shop, but always appreciate info on which target to save for.
I appreciate that Kreg is offering a quality product for folks that are looking for something like this. That being said. I don't think I would choose to purchase this over a quality dowling jig. In fact, it seems like a good dowling jig would actually be less fiddly to use and I can just use generic dowels instead of having to buy special Kreg tenons. In the end, it seems more clap-trappy than a dowling jig and slower than an actual domino.
Good to see some Lowe's products behind you! 🤣
Good review - thanks
I wonder if using a blade to mark your alignment can solve that misalignment when joining.
Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review.
For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path.
Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost.
Thanks for your review!!!
Buy the festool compatible extra long tenon stock and cut your own lengths - it'll save a ton of money.
It seems like an easy way to center would be to cut a mortice. Measure exact center and mark top. Clamp to line up center lines then set the bit to touch each side
The Rockler beadlock is cheaper and works great you should look at that
Bought it…it works pretty well. It’s loose though. If you make your own loose tenons a little bigger you can get by better.
It's still loose after adjusting the stops?
@@pilotdog68 I think it's the Kreg tenons and the drill bit is a little oversized. It's not just the side to side stops where it's loose.
That is a really cool tool
What a fabulous idea from Kreg. I think it's an absolutely marvelous tool! I haven't seen one in person, but I do love your presentation, Matt! 😃😃😃❤❤❤ I'd say Kreg nailed it! Thank you very much!!
I watched your review and also Wood Whisperers video too.I am still saving up for a domino :D .Until then i will use my doweling jig which cost me 20bucks with 3 drill bits and a ton of dowels.
Every manufacturer wants a piece of that sweet domino pie and we get a ton of "killers" but they are not even close.
Maybe throw some green lock time retaining compound in the friction fit bit and holder?
I run a production shop. I bought a Domino on the day they were released 20 or so years ago. I use my it nearly every day and if it broke, I'd buy another that day.
Love your videos. Occasionally use the links to buy stuff. Just saw the "+45 Free Project Ideas"... yeah one of the things you talk about is time when doing projects... the time and effort it takes to get the "free" plans doesnt make them free. I usually dont do "free" stuff cause of things like this. If its free there should be no strings attached. Well maybe one string (mailing list or some such).