1_18_15, Easy engine timing for a Honda ATC185 or ATC200,
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- 1_18_15, Simple, Honda ATC185, or, Honda ATC200, engine valve and ignition timing, remember, cam lobes down, fly wheel, marks up, cam timing marks up, mechanical advance magnets up, basically, lobes down and man up, think of graffiti in a men's bath room,
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I know this vid is 6 years old. But if you are reading this I just wanted to say thanks as this helped me a lot in diagnosing my power issue. As I had my cam shaft a tooth out of place 👍👍 thanks
Love your work with cdi/ timing ,it's my go to no matter what I am looking at. Thanks
OMGoodness you just saved me a headache thank you so much because I couldn’t figure out which way the cam needed to go.
This is the info I’ve been looking for for about 3 months😂 thanks a lot this helped me out greatly
Love the wood stove. This vid helped me with my 84 Honda Big Red 200. It has been burning plugs, the spark is week.
I was watching your vid while I was timing mine as soon as I got the engine in she fired right up you defiantly got a new subscriber man this vic helped me out a lot
storm phillips , I love hearing a story like that, not only can I fix these Hondas, I helped someone else fix them also. Thanks for the subscription, watching, and commenting Bud!
Harvey Spooner hey Harvy is it possible to swap a 82 200 jug and piston into a 84 200x if so could you maybe do a video on it
Harvey, I wish I watched this before I started, I’m only at the disassemble part. Before I took the top cover off I was told to line the timing up, my garage lighting is horrible and I kept missing the T but only saw the F. I lined everything up with the F and made some marks with a paint marker and began unscrewing the top, just wanted to make sure I didn’t screw up. The engine is a 200cc zs169fml
Thanks. This helped a lot with my xl185s. I had the cam in wrong because I thought a casting mark was a guide mark. Thanks again.
thanks Harvey that's been a great help i am having a go at restoring two 200s
cheers john.
thanks Harvey, I'm replacing piston rings do to white smoke and oil seeping out by plug,and replacing various gaskets,and o rings,thanks really helped me out because I didn't no the timings
Hey Joe!!! I was looking for a way to memorize timing on these engines, cam lobs down and timing marks up makes it easy to remember... Screwing up timing typically means smashed valves with possible head and piston damage, one has to do it right and double check a few times.... Glad it help, thanks for the kind words, encouragement, watching, and commenting!!!!
+Harvey Spooner thanks I will be sure to check and check again, I'm in no hurry, or rush, I will keep watching that video and learn
Lol, thank u I will be tryn to build one over winter, ggz-👽👍
on those timing caps I just use a washer that fits in nice and tight after the slot has a rounded bottom and then I use a pair of vice grips or a Cresent wrench.....I did make one that I welded the proper size washer into a cheapo socket I cut slot in to fit the washer so I could use it with an hammer operated impact driver.....never had one I could remove with this washer method....try it sometime you will be pleased
rebuilding my 200es this weekend new rings and gaskets thanks for the easy memory tip
Thanks Harvey, I just got some 200 hondas need to time the xr 200 i got, this video helped alot
ghettohillbilly1 Did winter finally end up there by U??? I'm glad that you found my video helpful, I try to make videos that are worthwhile. A Honda XR200 is a nice bike, I have 1 XR100 in the fleet, and I enjoy the every second that I spend riding it. BTW, I need to dig it out... Thanks for the kind words, watching, and commenting!
Thanks for teaching people to do this stuff u have talt me a lot I got a 86 trx the starter terns freely I took the cover off and it is missing the mitel gear what do u call that and were do I get it thanks
man everything is perfect with my 185s. Great compression, great spark, getting fuel and still just will not start and I wish i could just figure it out haha
Thanks for the weather report!!
Love u work pliz can u show me how to do the wiring
Hello Harvery Spooner
I set the flywheel to (T) mark and camshaft with lobes down and sprocket with little circle , got spark but could not start the engine ?
Fuel is flowing into carburetor , spark is okay , what to check
Thanks
Very informative video Harvey. Thank you,
thanks Harvey just what i needed....great video
TOASTEDHEAD420 , Stoney!!! Will U ever forget, "Man Up, Lobes down", ? My pleasure making the video, and now I'll remember also. It was good to see U, take care, survive winter well, Thanks for the encouragement, watching, and commenting!
still not good at timing but my wife sure is happy now thanks harvey
Having issues starting a 1985 200x. Had it going then the cdi gasket was torn and leaking oil. Replaced that put everything back together and lined it all up as best as I know and nothing. Won't start for crap kicked it for two days and nothing ughhhhhh
So the cam gear can be set to either setting? Either the T witch will loose a little power? Or the F witch is firing just before top dead. It seemed like you left it on the T.? Is it a personal preference or is there a specific one. Ooor is it set the cam at TDC and the cdi on the f? I'm a little bit confused my motor acts like it's not getting enough fuel at times. I advanced the cdi and it seemed to smooth out but it still kinda skips when I give it gas. I know it's not a carburetor issue because if I choke it it wants to quit
Very good informative video... im assuming the process is the same if not very similer to an 83 200x?
Great video. Have a question. I assume when you are setting your timing that is with the cam chain on on cam gear/ fully assembled?
Hey Harvey ! thanks for this great video man, just quick question... do you put the timing 1 tooth out on the top to allow for the chain tensioner taking up slack and moving the top cam wheel ? phil
Hey Harvey what If my tmark won't stay in place I took top end off after valve broke an stopped it from turning acting like it locked up
Thanks Harvey for the video. It helped me to go step forward in rebuilding my HONDA XL 185S 1982. I replaced the lower timing sprocket and had to re-align the marks. I ended up having the upper "O" mark aligned with the magneto just between T and F marks. is that a problem? My next thing will be to align the pulse [alternator] mechanism. Shall I do some tricks there?
Thanks!
Hey SandyGeorgia!!!! The upper "O" should be lined up with the lower T to start, then the fly wheel should be backup up a little such that the F mark is lined up and the pulse generator should be lined up with the magnetic piece on the cam. Ur valves should be closed for both adjustments... I hope this helps.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!
Thanks Harvey, it certainly helps. My point was that after I replaced the lower inner sprocket [tight fit on the crank shaft ] the best alignment with the upper O I can get is between T and F. not precisely T. If I make minus one chain link, then it doesn't reach T mark. If I do plus one link, then it gets passed by F.
Sir this video was very helpful thanks, by the way are you related to Lynn Spooner? He is an old friend I haven't seen in years.
I'm new to working on these.
I can’t find a indication on the crank case, 200x 1984.
Thanks for the info! Working on a 79 honda XL 185s, which I believe has the same engine as the ACT185. I have everything times dead nuts on as far as timing, but I am getting a little blown back into the carb. Is that normal for these older engines? Intake valve and rocker clearance look good. Valve appears to be seated good.
looking straight at wood stove , just to the right of it is that a old gas stove
Hey Harvey you wouldn't happen to have a 86 200x videos would you
Cam Guides what’s your opinion on replacement on a 200s engine worth replacing with middle of the road wear on them? Or go ahead and reuse? Installing a new timing chain due to being Stretch
I'm in the process of timing my 1984 200es. I have my flywheel lined up perfectly with the T, the timing gear mark seems to be advanced a 1/2 tooth. Any ideas whats going on? Stretched timing chain?
Hi I’m currently having the same issue. Did you ever come up with a solution for that?
Stretched timing chain.
Thanks for making these videos, they have helped me greatly! I have one question, when i tighten the two 8mm bolts on my pulse generator base, the motor seems VERY hard to turn over my hand at the flywheel. If i crack one of them loose a little, then it turns over fine. I have the O-ring installed on the back of the rotor base. The oil seal in the middle of the rotor base looks fine. Am I missing something? I know their is a gasket that goes behind the rotor base, would that fix the problem you think? I didnt see that gasket being used in my service manual unless i missed it. I have an 1984 atc Big Red 200. Thanks!
Hey Rick, Have U noticed that there is a pin on the cam that the advancer assembly needs to settle into? If that pin is not settled into the advancer assembly, it will stick out around a couple of mm which would cause Ur issue and mess up Ur timing.... I would look there first... Did someone have Ur cam out for some reason or was just the advancer assembly removed for some reason? I hope this helps... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!
@@HarveySpooner thanks for getting back to me so quickly Harvey! Yes I did see the pin, it actually even gets stiff despite securing the pulse generator base with nothing else attached. I did order a new gasket for behind the back of the generator base and the new rubber seal that goes in the center of it. That rubber seal is very hard. I will let you know when I get them installed later this week. 👍
@@ricklonetti9587 So?
Is it the same as a pushrod engine?
How do I get my 185s started. I replaced carb, spark plug, coil wire and oil. Doesn't kick over
So I had to pull the motor on my 200 es to check the timing and I put the flywheel on T and the damn thing keeps rolling forward on me not sure if someone was in there before me but top dead center is all the way to the top right so I’m not sure what to do
My 200m has pretty bad spark knock when their is load on the motor, stock compression , do you think I could get away with running higher octane or is it definitely the fire timing
Trying to time my xl200, 1983, honda.
When everything is lined up lobes down my pickup sensor is 180 out. Any ideas? Thanks
Hey you tubers
Is there a way to remove the flywheel w/o special tool
how's it going harvey I picked up a 85 250sx about a month ago and noticed it was smoking when I looked behind me the smoke was blue.. I ran a compression test and it was about 120psi so I figured I'd buy a set of piston rings. last night I pulled the head and changed the rings. after putting everything back together I have absolutely no compression and the motor seems to be sucking in thru the exhaust instead of making compression. your feedback would be Greatly Appreciated! thank you
Hey Tyler!!! Sounds to me like the valve timing is off and hopefully the piston and valves did not touch!!! I would also check the valves, maybe they are set too tight and are not closing all the way, particularly the exhaust valve, U can do something known as a cylinder leak up test to hear where the compression is going.... Good luck, let me know how it turns out.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!
is 1984 atc200s motor the same as 1984 xr200? another qustion is is it possible to put a 2004 rm85 engine in the 1984 atc200s frame?
The service manual on the 82 Honda 185s ATC , said to ad fresh oil in the oil pocket under cam till cam lobes submerged. Can you confirm this Harvey? Had engine running then added the oil and now would not start.
Hey Travis!!! I have not seen that instruction in the service manual on a Honda ATC, but, I know that air cooled diesels have a cap on top to remove and fill with oil to pre lube the cam shift. I normally throw a few squirts of oil up there if it is a dry engine from a rebuild or from sitting.... About Ur issue, are U sure that Ur valve timing is good, that Ur valve lash is not too tight, and that U don't have a blown head gasket.... U have to go thru the basics, spark test, compression test, if U find nothing, a cylinder pressure test, make sure Ur timings are good, that the spark plug was not damaged... etc.... Let me know how U make out.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!!
so after you have your timing correct with timing chain all on then you make sure the f is lining up with the line wont the flywheel just move back to the t
Erik Creamer , Typically, it stays there, though, with the slightest bump, it does go back to the T, normally, one can hold it to the F position while aligning the CDI pulser plate to the magnet up on the cam. Thanks for your thoughts, it seems that U did this timing before.... Thanks also for watching and commenting!
i have a question i recently just replaced my rings on the piston but for some reason the motor still doesnt have much compression, do you have any idea?
Erik, a couple of things, first, do a compression test with the carb wide opened, (no restriction from the carb, ie- throttle or choke), take the reading, write it down. (if it is over 125PSI, U are probably good),. Put some oil down the spark plug hole, rotate the engine around a few times to coat the cylinder walls, and do another test, if it improves dramatically, (25psi or so), hope that running the engine for awhile breaks things in, if not, did U rotate the ring gaps such that 1 ring is at 4oclock, one at 8 oclock, and 1 at 12noon, did U gap the rings? Also make sure that the valve lash is not too tight, (the valves fully close), U double checked the valve timing? Head not cracked, gasket is good? Let me know how U make out, Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!
i had was going over it all today and when i finally got it started it stayed running for about 40 secounds they it just stopped it didnt even bog just shut down and then when i went to pull it over again it was very hard i just have know idea
Not getting the full spark needed to start the engine. Can this be caused by the timing? It a Honda. 200 four traxx
Hey John, It has a weak spark, an intermittent spark, or an occasional spark???? I always start by changing the spark plug, U may think this is trivial, trust me, start by changing the plug.... Then, I would cut the black wire with the white strip such that is can be reconnected easily.... That disables the engine turn off circuit, let me know how it all turns out.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!
my pulse rotor took a crap and cracked im getting a new one will it just be plug an play or will i have to align it?
Hey Dustin, Should be plug and play, if U change it and the ATC will not start, U probably installed it 180 degrees out... That is the only mistake U can make.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!
Hi Harvey ,, ?? I have a 1974 Xl350 , been searching on swaping it over to 12V. Along the way I found that it is possible to swap the Cdi system fron the ATC185 into the Xl350 , have you ever done this or know whats needed to do this ? thanks
Hey Bill, My expectation would be that a 1974 XL350 would have points, the ATC185 uses an electronic pulse generator to trigger the spark, (The Honda XL350 is a motocross motorcycle manufactured and sold between 1974 and 1986. The motorcycle had a 350 cc, single-cylinder, four-stroke engine.) But, having said that, I'm sure that the later models used a pulse generator and perhaps that can be put on your 1974 model... I hope this helps, please let me know if U need more.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!
Hi again , I do have points in it running a 6V system , I`m modding this motor with a big bore piston , adding a WebCam camshaft , compression up from 8.3 to 10.25 , the only thing left was to swap over to the Cdi system , long ago a racing fella put this Atc 185 Cdi system on these motors , he had to mount the pulse generator somewhere down on the cranshaft as it can`t be put up in the original cylinder head , I have the pulse generator in my stator , but can`t find how much voltage it produces and if it would trigger the spark on a Cdi system ,, I have a spare 83 Atc185 in my shed and have all the needed parts , just no info on what exactly the guy did to make it work , thanks I`ll keep searching , I like the old Honda`s myself , I`m putting the 350 in a mini rail buggy go kart , cheers ..
Hey Bill, I'm about to put a pit bike ignition on 300ex, will also be showing how a gy6 12volt ignition works, the video should be going up over the next several days, as long as U R running a pulse generator, it should fire the 12Volt GY6 ignition and U should be good, I hope this helps.... Let me know how it all turns out.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!
Thanks , I`ll be watching for it ..
hello, Harvey. I recently got a Honda XL 185. and when installing the camshaft there seems to be some play that makes the timing chain rub against the inside of the cylinder and the inside cover of the CDI. everything I try to avoid play seems useless. double gasket, washers inside.... any ideas please.. thanks a lot.
Hey Jay Z., I think the top end of the XL185 is about the same, maybe interchangeable with the ATC185/200 head... Given that, the way the cam sits in the head, (more or less falls into place once everything is aligned), I can't picture Ur problem unless U bought it in pieces and someone swap out a few for the wrong ones... There should be no movement right to left, side to side,... I think U got me on this one, let me know how it turns out so I can learn something.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting, sorry I could not be much help....
how to you tell if the timing is off without taking it apart
+Austin Hatmaker , To check timing on a Honda ATC185/200 motor, at the minimum, the recoil and the pulse generator cover have to be removed, only 2 phillips head scews and 5 10mm bolts, only takes a couple of minutes, one can also tell if the chain is loose... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!
good stuff
Can u do 1 on a 300ex the timing
I would say like to see you do some work better time lapse photography but better manufacturing can do any manufacturing that's sweet build yourself your own design a quad bike from scratch
good shit
you are a good teacher nice video i will always remember now man up cool you know you're shit on the hondas that's for sure
Hey Troy, As I was setting up the timing, I wanted to come up with a way of remembering it!!! Thanks for Ur kind words, great feedback, encouragement, watching, and commenting!!!!
you bet all i can say now is come on summer i am just finishing the 750 buggy it went well now i am ready for a new summer build time to hit the scrap yards around here and here we have spring clean up i find lots of great junk people through away things i like have a good one hope you're summer goes great and by all means man up
hey buddy sorry to hear about you're new car hope things turn around and give you some good luck hang in there at least no one was hurt but it's still a shame about that car it was like new
how do you take of to driveshaft on 399
i mean300