The actor who played Elendil in Fellowship's Prologue was great. He barely appeared, but his expression and stance looked really majestic. He was a glorious Extra.
I do hope he is made into a main character! Would love to see more about his life with his father Amandil and how he would grow to become one of the most legendary men.
In my opinion, Isildur gets much attention and rightly so, but I think it 's nice to see The High King of Gondor and Arnor Elendil get some credit, because, for me, he's an amazing character! Awesome vid, as always mellon.
I agree though I think that the Amazon Series will give more importance to Elendil rather than Isildur, since he plays a more prominent part in the Numenor storyline! So he'll get the respect he deserves ;)
@@GeekZoneMT it totally depends if they are willing to include numinor in the plot at all or at least some kind of flashbacks to it. It would be interesting to see how it was for the faithful back there when they are the small minority there. Even if not Canon if done right it would be so cool. We still have only hope tho :/
King Elendil deserved more screen time during the prologue however I understand the filmmaker's trimming down his action due to runtime. However I would have really liked to see the duel with both King Elendil and Gil-Galad with Sauron.
@@GeekZoneMT Many legendarium youtubers prefer to focus on his political deeds, like establishing the two kingdoms or forming the Last Alliance, which are important for themselves, but forget the fact that a such an illustrious life deserve a proper illustrious end.
Don’‘t be sad, after Aragorn and Eomer renewed the Oath, both human kingdoms continued to come to Elendils holy hill. Because that place is the symbol for the alliance of the human with the Valar and the Rohirim joined in the war of the ring the old alliance and became in a Verrazano way Edain. The wedding of Faramir and Eowyn was another symbol for the rise of the people of Rohan.
Just came across this, after reading the story of Eorl and Cirion in Unfinished Tales and looking for more on it on the internet. I absolutely love Lloyd Owen as Elendil in the Rings of Power, and was incredibly moved to read this story about where Elendil was buried, as prior to reading this book I thought no one knew where Elendil's body ended up. (I admit now that Elendil is one of my favorite Tolkien characters -- before RoP he was just a legendary figure, but now I see him as having been a Person With a Story Arc, and not just a cardboard Hero Archetype.) And the traditions around it, the whole thing with it being such a hallowed hill and being kept in such high honor, the Valar continuing to care for the tomb and the hill, it being such a quiet place of reverence-- it's just incredibly beautiful. I was SO disappointed that Cirion chose to remove Elendil's tomb to Minas Tirith. I feel like it was just going to get forgotten there, one tomb amongst many. Elendil deserved better than that. I wish they'd left the casket on Amon Anwar for all time.
Some feedback / criticism I've always given you is your rate of output of videos, oftentimes men of the West and the lore of middle Earth put twice as many videos out as you have recently but I like your channel the most I just wish it pumped out videos faster
@@JacobSmith-rh2sr I'd love to be able to publish more often Jacob though 1 video usually take me around 40 hours easily (especially since all of my research comes from the books, which can take a while to go through and organise) However hopefully I'll soon have some extra content through the week, which would be less focused on lore :)
Could I just say: I really love how detailed you are about the facts AND I love your personal speculations. They offer more insight to me and more ways to think about the world of Arda. Great work as always! 😊👍
That is very interesting! I love the fact that the tombs of important people (such as Turin, Elendil, and maybe more) are left unmarred by the flow of time. Is it true also for Beren and Luthien?
Hurin and Turin probably surpassed him in terms of deeds and importance, though I think the heroes of Arda should always be compared to the age that they lived in. :)
I sure hope we do. I heard its about tve second age and the forging of the rings. If so, perhaps they will shorten the story about the war on elves by cutting straight to: sauron forges the rings, attacks but lets himself be imprisoned by numenorians to destroy it from within. The sunking and last alliance and end od series
While I could see King Elessar restart this tradition, I could also see him taking his heir to the high mountain meadow where the new white tree of Gondor was found by him and Gandalf, as that was a site of the signs of the Kingdom Renewed.
Your voice is so relaxing & hypnotic. Paired w/ the drawings instead of actor images, this really creates an atmosphere of ancient history & lore. Ty! ❤
The Stewards didn't have the right to move Elendil's tomb. I agree that the tradition should have been restored. I have always been interested in Rath Dínen. The book makes reference to the embalming skills of the people of Gondor, especially the Stewards. I would love to see you do a video on the Hallows of Minas Tirith.
So men might be able to after they die observe the world and gaze upon their dead bodies but we can't really say for sure since we know little of their after life But elves are reborn in the undying lands and could leave and return to middle earth and they could physically lift up their own bodies and if they want to for some reason eat themselves now this leads to what I think is a fascinating question and that is if one is a elf would dying be easier the second time?
@@GeekZoneMT I mean scientifically death is what happens after the brain stops sending electrical charged to the rest of the body like your heart for example so for a elf it may be like that feeling when your about to go into deep sleep or it might be a terrifying experience of slowly dying cells that you know you can't do anything to stop and that makes it infinity more scary kind of like finding a spider in your bathroom
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal so basically, a human experience? I think we are not supposed to fully grasp the concept of death through the lens of an immortal. People fear death because they know it is final. There is a limited time to achieve and do things and what comes after, is a guess. If there even is an 'after'. Elves don't have that sense of urgency. They move at a slower pace and throughout their years, gain a much deeper understanding of the rythm of life and death than any mortal can but, without being part of it. Detachment and distance gains oversight and insight. It's easier to predict the flow of a river from a high point than swimming in it. That's why some Elves seem to be able to predict the future when in reality, they have seen so much of the natural world, they understand its rythm and flow and how everything follows its natural path. They know what comes after their death. Death to them is more of a momentary reprieve from the cycle until they recloth themselves to live in bliss in Aman or return to Middle Earth and rejoin the merry-go-round of birth-growth-death-decay. There would be no fear because they know there will be an ultimate ending of the world and as long as the world is turning, they will be there.
I really like your videos and your insights on the lore. Could you please let me know which songs you are using for the video, mostly the one used in the last part of the video ? Subscribed. Hope to see at least an episode in the series about Elandil and Isildur.
As the Tomb of Elendil does only appear in Unfinished Tails, its location in Lord of the Rings Online has been moved to Lake Evendim and thus I used to assume, Elendil was buried in the northern kingdom.
It does seem slightly strange to me that Isildur did all this; brought his father's remains, constructed and consecrated the Tomb, and all while wearing the One Ring around his neck, yet while it still had evil power in it; it betrayed him to his death, it didn't in any way taint this site, or eventually betray it to Evil. Many of the other great sites of Middle Earth were eventually ruined; both Durin's origin point (Gundabad) and his great city (Khazad-dum) were toppled by orcs, and even Gondolin was sacked, but this place somehow endured. It also makes me have to sometimes remember how long Isildur actually lived, and carried the One Ring, before dying. He had time to mourn his father, build a tomb, set up said traditions, leave his account in Minas Tirith, and more, all before journeying back to Arnor, and dying along the way.
King Elendil deserved more screen time during the prologue however I understand the filmmaker's trimming down his action due to runtime. However I would have really liked to see the duel with both King Elendil and Gil-Galad with Sauron.
I would like to think after time Aragorn restored the lands and returned the tomb, reestablishing the tradition. As a fail safe I can see King Aragorn entrusting the secret with the Northern Rangers.
I feel it is possible for the tradition to continue under Aragorn’s rule. It’s seems like one of the themes Tolkien discussed in Return of the King was the concept that Gondor had begun to honor the burial places of the stewards more than they valued the places of the living. With Denethors passing in the Tombs of Gondor, I feel Aragorn would want to more honor the original burial place of Elindil because of its strong connection to nature and life. Aragorn would be fine with leaving Elendil at Minis Tirith because Aragorn was about returning the traditions lost to Gondor, yet embracing the new paths of the future. Not all that was unmade can be undon, but the spirit of what was lost can be restored. At least, that is my hope. Too bad we can’t ask Tolkien his thoughts on this. :(
This is the first i've heard of Elendil's tomb as I thought he'd either been taken back to Anuminas in Arnor where he ruled or interred at the back of Minas Anor where all the other kings of Gondor were interred.
One thing that puzzled me about the political geography of middle earth is that when Arnor was still politically united with Gondor no attempt was made to physically unite the two kingdoms. What separates the two was the lands of Dunland which was periodically dominated by Rohan but still popularized by the wild men of dunland leaving the only safer and faster route between the two kinds by sea. Was there any lore reason given by Tolkien to why Arnor and Gondor were physically separate from each other?
Great video again! I always thought that Elendil was buried in the Hallows of Minas Tirith immediately. And could you tell me where Isildur and Anárion were buried? Or didn't they find their corpses? Surprisingly I've never thought about that... Greetings from Germany!
Thanks mate! I believe Anarion was buried in the Hallows of Minas Tirith, while Isildur's body was never recovered from the Gladden Fields. It's believed that Saruman had eventually found it and disposed of it in some horrible manner :(
i like your videos, but i think all these modern adaptations of LOTR now are far fetched over the top nonsense, Tolkien didn't mean for his work to be portrayed that way., just my opinion.
True, just your opinion. Because if new people be exposed to these works and their interest be intrigued enough to seek the source...how terrible for purists. Tolkien has passed, his son has passed, who remains to guard the gates? Prepare yourself, for soon these works will be public domain - and like Shakespeare's works interpretations will continue to be made.
I KNOW ITS ALL FANTASY ART and whatnot BUT Ive just gotta ask .... why are almost all men presented as thin and handsome with a jawline so sharp it could cut paper and look like they all work out and use shampoo and conditioner in their hair and beards? Its not very realistic considering our own earths history of how men wouldve looked back then!? huh!? haha.
The actor who played Elendil in Fellowship's Prologue was great. He barely appeared, but his expression and stance looked really majestic. He was a glorious Extra.
Oh yeah he certainly made quite an impression! Such a kingly and noble aura!
It was Peter McKenzie who portrayed him in the LOTR films.
I wonder if he'll return for the Amazon series
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Finally! A video about my favorite character in the legendarium! Elendil the Tall deserved so much more than what he got in the movies.
I've got a feeling that we'll see much more of him in the Amazon series! :)
I do hope he is made into a main character! Would love to see more about his life with his father Amandil and how he would grow to become one of the most legendary men.
In my opinion, Isildur gets much attention and rightly so, but I think it 's nice to see The High King of Gondor and Arnor Elendil get some credit, because, for me, he's an amazing character! Awesome vid, as always mellon.
I agree though I think that the Amazon Series will give more importance to Elendil rather than Isildur, since he plays a more prominent part in the Numenor storyline! So he'll get the respect he deserves ;)
@@GeekZoneMT it totally depends if they are willing to include numinor in the plot at all or at least some kind of flashbacks to it. It would be interesting to see how it was for the faithful back there when they are the small minority there. Even if not Canon if done right it would be so cool. We still have only hope tho :/
King Elendil deserved more screen time during the prologue however I understand the filmmaker's trimming down his action due to runtime. However I would have really liked to see the duel with both King Elendil and Gil-Galad with Sauron.
You did the high king right with this video. Very few people recognize his courage in fighting sauron himself.
Great video as usual 👌❤️
Thanks Sadek ! Yeah I feel that his history is really overlooked, and people tend to focus more on that of his son, Isildur :(
@@GeekZoneMT Many legendarium youtubers prefer to focus on his political deeds, like establishing the two kingdoms or forming the Last Alliance, which are important for themselves, but forget the fact that a such an illustrious life deserve a proper illustrious end.
His greatest deed was being an independent thinker in Numenor, seeing what was about to happen, and getting his family out before it did.
Don’‘t be sad, after Aragorn and Eomer renewed the Oath, both human kingdoms continued to come to Elendils holy hill.
Because that place is the symbol for the alliance of the human with the Valar and the Rohirim joined in the war of the ring the old alliance and became in a Verrazano way Edain.
The wedding of Faramir and Eowyn was another symbol for the rise of the people of Rohan.
Just came across this, after reading the story of Eorl and Cirion in Unfinished Tales and looking for more on it on the internet. I absolutely love Lloyd Owen as Elendil in the Rings of Power, and was incredibly moved to read this story about where Elendil was buried, as prior to reading this book I thought no one knew where Elendil's body ended up. (I admit now that Elendil is one of my favorite Tolkien characters -- before RoP he was just a legendary figure, but now I see him as having been a Person With a Story Arc, and not just a cardboard Hero Archetype.) And the traditions around it, the whole thing with it being such a hallowed hill and being kept in such high honor, the Valar continuing to care for the tomb and the hill, it being such a quiet place of reverence-- it's just incredibly beautiful. I was SO disappointed that Cirion chose to remove Elendil's tomb to Minas Tirith. I feel like it was just going to get forgotten there, one tomb amongst many. Elendil deserved better than that. I wish they'd left the casket on Amon Anwar for all time.
I have to be honest
I dint even know that there was a sacred tombe for Elendil
Yeah it's barely mentioned in the books, though it makes for quite an interesting narrative! :)
As always guys, subtitles are available and feedback/criticism is welcome!! :)
One "feedback" is this: you deserve a couple zeros more in your subs and likes!
Some feedback / criticism I've always given you is your rate of output of videos, oftentimes men of the West and the lore of middle Earth put twice as many videos out as you have recently but I like your channel the most I just wish it pumped out videos faster
@@JacobSmith-rh2sr I'd love to be able to publish more often Jacob though 1 video usually take me around 40 hours easily (especially since all of my research comes from the books, which can take a while to go through and organise) However hopefully I'll soon have some extra content through the week, which would be less focused on lore :)
@@ldx8492 totally agree!!!
I have a question. What was Morgoths and Saurons magic for the afterlife of the orcs, men, elves or connection to the afterlife of Arda?
Could I just say: I really love how detailed you are about the facts AND I love your personal speculations. They offer more insight to me and more ways to think about the world of Arda. Great work as always! 😊👍
That is very interesting! I love the fact that the tombs of important people (such as Turin, Elendil, and maybe more) are left unmarred by the flow of time. Is it true also for Beren and Luthien?
Yeah it feels like these people and their lives become ingrained and part of the very land that they influenced!
@@GeekZoneMT which is fairly odd, nonetheless beautiful, because for men, specifically, they leave Eä entirely!
What a great topic to cover! And the art is awesome
Cheers Lambert!
Only Húrin was close to Elendil in terms of renown amongst Men.
Hurin and Turin probably surpassed him in terms of deeds and importance, though I think the heroes of Arda should always be compared to the age that they lived in. :)
It is said that Eru willed that Turin's tomb would not be engulfed by the sea
Would add Beren to the list.
Tuor too. He slayed multiple Balrogs in the fall of Gondolin
Aragorn...
let's hope we can see something about him in next Lotr series.
I think we definitely will! Since it seems that we'll be focusing on Numenor I can't imagine them leaving out Elendil and Isildur!
I sure hope we do. I heard its about tve second age and the forging of the rings. If so, perhaps they will shorten the story about the war on elves by cutting straight to: sauron forges the rings, attacks but lets himself be imprisoned by numenorians to destroy it from within. The sunking and last alliance and end od series
@@GeekZoneMT they have to add them they are very important figures in the story of their fleeing of numenor
While I could see King Elessar restart this tradition, I could also see him taking his heir to the high mountain meadow where the new white tree of Gondor was found by him and Gandalf, as that was a site of the signs of the Kingdom Renewed.
as a Tolkien zealot I must profess my utter thanks and gratitude for your well-made videos and encourage you to continue making them ✌🏻❤️
I would love to see more videos of the wars from the first age! Love your videos! Much love from Brazil
I'm working on covering the Silmarillion, I've actually finished a script on the Ainulindale for the near future :)
Once again great video dude! Thanks for the most epic lotr content on yt :)
You're welcome buddy! ;)
Fascinating stuff that I knew nothing about. Thank you!
You're most welcome my friend!
Dear Eru! 😍🌺
I love this video.👑
Thank you so much for making it. ☺️⭐
Elendil is such an amazing character. 💖
Thanks Janka! Yeah I agree, he's probably one of the most influential leaders of Men! :)
@@GeekZoneMT Indeed. 😁✨
His story is really interesting.
From the first mention to his last battle. ⭐👑
Can't wait for another video. ^^
Your voice is so relaxing & hypnotic. Paired w/ the drawings instead of actor images, this really creates an atmosphere of ancient history & lore.
Ty! ❤
Awesome content buddy. Alway back for more. Keep up the amazing work! Cheers :)
Thanks man, I appreciate it! :)
Very underrated video
Such a refreshing and really motivating video thank you
Thank you for this… I had forgotten about this in the last time that I read the books
Yeah as a landmarked, it's really overlooked imo!
Your voice is calming
I had no idea of this. Awe inspiring indeed.
Cheers Ibon! :)
Great job man, I was just reading about this place while on vacation last month. Glad you delved in
The Stewards didn't have the right to move Elendil's tomb. I agree that the tradition should have been restored. I have always been interested in Rath Dínen. The book makes reference to the embalming skills of the people of Gondor, especially the Stewards. I would love to see you do a video on the Hallows of Minas Tirith.
very nice man, new lore again, congratz!
Thanks Lydecker! :)
So men might be able to after they die observe the world and gaze upon their dead bodies but we can't really say for sure since we know little of their after life
But elves are reborn in the undying lands and could leave and return to middle earth and they could physically lift up their own bodies and if they want to for some reason eat themselves now this leads to what I think is a fascinating question and that is if one is a elf would dying be easier the second time?
hmm I think the process of dying wouldn't be any easier though it's a cool question!
@@GeekZoneMT I mean scientifically death is what happens after the brain stops sending electrical charged to the rest of the body like your heart for example so for a elf it may be like that feeling when your about to go into deep sleep or it might be a terrifying experience of slowly dying cells that you know you can't do anything to stop and that makes it infinity more scary kind of like finding a spider in your bathroom
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal so basically, a human experience? I think we are not supposed to fully grasp the concept of death through the lens of an immortal. People fear death because they know it is final. There is a limited time to achieve and do things and what comes after, is a guess. If there even is an 'after'. Elves don't have that sense of urgency. They move at a slower pace and throughout their years, gain a much deeper understanding of the rythm of life and death than any mortal can but, without being part of it. Detachment and distance gains oversight and insight. It's easier to predict the flow of a river from a high point than swimming in it. That's why some Elves seem to be able to predict the future when in reality, they have seen so much of the natural world, they understand its rythm and flow and how everything follows its natural path. They know what comes after their death. Death to them is more of a momentary reprieve from the cycle until they recloth themselves to live in bliss in Aman or return to Middle Earth and rejoin the merry-go-round of birth-growth-death-decay. There would be no fear because they know there will be an ultimate ending of the world and as long as the world is turning, they will be there.
@@GullibleTarget great poetry
Soooooooooooooooo good! What a great video! Keep it up! What a treat for the weekend!
Brilliant. Something I knew very little about. Keep them coming 👍
I really like your videos and your insights on the lore. Could you please let me know which songs you are using for the video, mostly the one used in the last part of the video ? Subscribed. Hope to see at least an episode in the series about Elandil and Isildur.
Amazing video, as always!
Thank you so much Carl!
Cheers from Portugal!
=)
As the Tomb of Elendil does only appear in Unfinished Tails, its location in Lord of the Rings Online has been moved to Lake Evendim and thus I used to assume, Elendil was buried in the northern kingdom.
This a great video! I didn’t know about Elendil’s tomb.
Thank you Carl for another great video !!!
Great video as always 👍👍
Great video. Awesome content.
It does seem slightly strange to me that Isildur did all this; brought his father's remains, constructed and consecrated the Tomb, and all while wearing the One Ring around his neck, yet while it still had evil power in it; it betrayed him to his death, it didn't in any way taint this site, or eventually betray it to Evil. Many of the other great sites of Middle Earth were eventually ruined; both Durin's origin point (Gundabad) and his great city (Khazad-dum) were toppled by orcs, and even Gondolin was sacked, but this place somehow endured. It also makes me have to sometimes remember how long Isildur actually lived, and carried the One Ring, before dying. He had time to mourn his father, build a tomb, set up said traditions, leave his account in Minas Tirith, and more, all before journeying back to Arnor, and dying along the way.
Have yet to see a lore video on... Elendil!!!!!
And yet again a wonderful video
King Elendil deserved more screen time during the prologue however I understand the filmmaker's trimming down his action due to runtime. However I would have really liked to see the duel with both King Elendil and Gil-Galad with Sauron.
I would like to think after time Aragorn restored the lands and returned the tomb, reestablishing the tradition. As a fail safe I can see King Aragorn entrusting the secret with the Northern Rangers.
That hill deserves to be restored!
"No man was allowed to enter, unless they were a descendent of Elendil."
Having played Lord of the Rings Online: *whoops...*
the main character was mandated by the heir of Elendil specifically. But the location might be a bigger problem.
Elendil is the greatest man to ever walk middle earth.
Request: A commentary on The Dawnless Day.
I feel it is possible for the tradition to continue under Aragorn’s rule. It’s seems like one of the themes Tolkien discussed in Return of the King was the concept that Gondor had begun to honor the burial places of the stewards more than they valued the places of the living. With Denethors passing in the Tombs of Gondor, I feel Aragorn would want to more honor the original burial place of Elindil because of its strong connection to nature and life. Aragorn would be fine with leaving Elendil at Minis Tirith because Aragorn was about returning the traditions lost to Gondor, yet embracing the new paths of the future. Not all that was unmade can be undon, but the spirit of what was lost can be restored.
At least, that is my hope. Too bad we can’t ask Tolkien his thoughts on this. :(
The addition of the White Palace soundtrack from Hollow Knight is... very fitting.
Excellent! 🧙🏻♂️
Thanks buddy!
Welcome friend.
Is good!
Thanks! :)
This is the first i've heard of Elendil's tomb as I thought he'd either been taken back to Anuminas in Arnor where he ruled or interred at the back of Minas Anor where all the other kings of Gondor were interred.
Before watching this video, my guess would have been Osgiliath or Animinas.
@@JImra1 Anuminas would've been the likely choice IMO as that was the capital-city of Arnor and I suspect that it had its own version of Rath Dinen.
One thing that puzzled me about the political geography of middle earth is that when Arnor was still politically united with Gondor no attempt was made to physically unite the two kingdoms. What separates the two was the lands of Dunland which was periodically dominated by Rohan but still popularized by the wild men of dunland leaving the only safer and faster route between the two kinds by sea.
Was there any lore reason given by Tolkien to why Arnor and Gondor were physically separate from each other?
Wait, are you using Times Change from WoW as the background music?
Great video again! I always thought that Elendil was buried in the Hallows of Minas Tirith immediately. And could you tell me where Isildur and Anárion were buried? Or didn't they find their corpses? Surprisingly I've never thought about that...
Greetings from Germany!
Thanks mate! I believe Anarion was buried in the Hallows of Minas Tirith, while Isildur's body was never recovered from the Gladden Fields. It's believed that Saruman had eventually found it and disposed of it in some horrible manner :(
@@GeekZoneMT Thanks for the answer. I am always fascinated about stuff most people - including me - never think of.
your voice might not be a narrator nor charismatic but still I love your videos. keep it up.
Thought this was about the lotro instance lol.
That Rune stone looks exactly like the one Kili had and said his Mother gave it to him…..🤔
Splendid
Funny that they have Tomb of Elendil outside Annuminas but Elendil wasn't actually buried there lol
Where did you get the information? Is this in the book of lost tales, the appendices, or the history of Middle-earth?
Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come.
In this place I will abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.
When did they set up the beacons? And, did they use them before Return of the King?
This is a wild guess. It was a tomb
I wonder what they would think if they could see our world today
Et eärello, endorenna utúlien, sinome maruvan, ar hildinyar, tenn' Ambar- metta....
Like first, then watch
No man shall climb the stone stairs to the Tomb of Elendil. "I am no man," said Eowyn.
greatest tradition of Arda....no women on long camping trips....
👍🏻
May i ask where the information comes from?
Of course Chris! Most of it can be found in the Unfinished Tales, subchapter: The Tradition of Isildur
This is new lore to me, I thank u for it....💍💍💍
Is the tomb of Elendil in LOTRO??
yes! It's heavily involved in the (spoiler)
quest line where you help forge aragorns sword
i like your videos, but i think all these modern adaptations of LOTR now are far fetched over the top nonsense, Tolkien didn't mean for his work to be portrayed that way., just my opinion.
Do you mean the LOTR trilogy?
True, just your opinion.
Because if new people be exposed to these works and their interest be intrigued enough to seek the source...how terrible for purists.
Tolkien has passed, his son has passed, who remains to guard the gates? Prepare yourself, for soon these works will be public domain - and like Shakespeare's works interpretations will continue to be made.
If you mean the plot of the Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War games, that is 100% agreeable
I KNOW ITS ALL FANTASY ART and whatnot BUT Ive just gotta ask .... why are almost all men presented as thin and handsome with a jawline so sharp it could cut paper and look like they all work out and use shampoo and conditioner in their hair and beards? Its not very realistic considering our own earths history of how men wouldve looked back then!? huh!? haha.