Miller court hearing for Oxford high school shooter (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- A special hearing was being held Thursday in which a judge will determine how to sentence the Oxford High School shooter, who has been convicted of 24 felonies in connection with the November 2021 mass shooting.
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Bless the law enforcement officers who had to deal with the aftermath of the horribly violent act. I hope that they are ok mentally.
I wish this judge was on the bench for the JC trial as well.
I have never seen a more blatant cry for help in countless ways.
That school needs to be held accountable as well
I also believe the parents of Ethan's friend must have read their texts...they whisked him away for inpatient psych care! Had the boy been around, there would have been another Columbine. Those parents cared. Ethan's did not. Abuse and neglect=one messed up kid. Imo.
Would love to know the other kid’s outcome. Smart parents Were paying attention
If they did, and didn't report to anyone bc they wanted to protect their son, then they have some culpability here too.
@@jakiam83I’ve always wondered about what really happened to his friend.
The way he just "disappeared" with not a word to his supposed best friend also made me think his parents saw the texts.
I dont care what sob story the defense is trying to display here. Many people come from broken homes or horrible circumstances and do not commit mass murder! Many people suffering from mental illness also manage to get by without harming animals and people.
Amen Dee🙏✨
Very true, I am not defending him. But I do believe this needs to be heard his story told. For to big reason, mental health needs to be taken seriously. His parents did nothing and should be accountable for this tragedy.
I just learned a vital chain of events, that makes me point some fingers at the school counselors.
Concerning events were spread over a 2 day period. The QUESTION to the parents first off when they had concerns of his drawings.... " ARE THERE ANY WEAPONS IN THE HOME"? Any body that thought he would be a harm to himself or others .....would have asked this on either day !!!!!!!! Mind blowing. That they didn't ask this simple question 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Definitely a missed opportunity and the most basic of common sense to ask such a question!
Why didn’t the mom answer that question without it even having to be asked? She knew! Picture of gun! Just bought a gun! Take him home and make sure to gun is secure! Check his backpack!
They all failed him …
And failed these precious children who lost their lives!
I believe they did discuss with the counselor that they went to the shooting range so perhaps the school was aware he had weapons
"How do you push passed a child who needs help??"
"I don't know. Ask Jen and James Crumbley."
He also was a child, a teenager, educated wrongly.
This is such a terrible case of evil - negligent abusive parents ignored all the signs that the troubled kid put out until evil took him over.
I would like to know how much they knew.
He probably needed to be delivered from evil demonic spirits.
@@melissaannboone3639 that's a legitimate point.
Utterly unimaginable!
@@dspangler24Not a lot from the sounds of it. Which is the main issue imo. He was 15. He should have been monitored closer.
This is a waste of time and tax dollars. He should've automatically gotten life without the chance of parole! His parents clearly failed him but this kids been a psychopath for quiet some time and definitely wouldve killed one way or another. I have zero remorse for the vile scumbag or his pathetic parents.
It’s sad but true.
There are a lot of reasons why children turn into dangerous people, but they are still dangerous.
I would love to see the psychiatrists' reports on this kid.
The maths paper alone - drawing what he did and at the same time saying Help me.
But then, when he got caught he tried to scratch out the gun and the body full of bullet holes and instead wrote on the paper "I'm so happy! I Love Oxford High School." Very confusing.
The fact he was looking up those particularly violent sites online while in jail shows how sick his mind really is.
He has this quiet, easy-going demeanour but inside he's thinking the darkest thoughts imaginable.
Sometimes there's just really Evil people in the world.
You can still see the pain in his heart for these children crying out for help almost two years later. Thank You for all you and the rescue team did!
These parents and the school dropped the ball but it dont matter the fact that he was still trying to look up stuff in jail.. planned that out... he is a threat they need to never ever let him out like ever... he stated.numerous times he wants to go to jail for life give him what he wants
That's bc he still needs help. Still is having the same hallucinations and still needs the same help he has needed all these years, the same needs that have been ignored and overlooked by his parents for years. Instead of taking him to a psychiatrist, they bought him a 9mm and took him to a gun range with the gun to practice shooting the gun that he killed his four classmates with...
This is a great Judge!
I sure as hell don’t agree with what Ethan did. I believe his parents let them down. He asked to go to the doctor and his father gave some pills and told him to “suck it up”. Ethan has been neglected by his parents. This is a sad case all around. You got students at school who have lost their lives and you’ve got Ethan who was hearing voices and seeing demons, and his parents help him. I feel bad for everybody involved except his parents.
This is horribly disturbing to me, all his life my big brother was my mom's scapegoat. At 7-8 yrs he was a bright student who passed all tests but didn't like taking notes or homework. Mom made him sign a contract- do his work or get spanked. Got up to 200 'licks' with a belt, often sent to bed with no dinner. Finally neighbors intervened and dad was made aware. Bout this time brother started mixing various poisons and poisoning frogs and cursing like a sailor. My sweet brother turned into a monster. In 2nd and 3rd grade. Mom wouldn't come home leaving 8,6,4,&2 yr olds in dark house to wander neighborhood. Again when confronted she'd dump us at the nursery 8am-10pm. They finally made her stop. My brother quit torturing animals after 6 months. Mom's behavior escalated after divorcing dad. Brother became an alcoholic who beat women and committed suicide by 40. So was it nature or nurture? The actions of this child are inexcusable but tragically so many lives were lost due to negligence by the parents and failure of the school. What a horrible tragedy.
57:25 everyone let Ethan down here. Listening to his childhood and diary notes, he was desperate for help. His councellor asked him in the hallway how he was, there were signs.
#asktwice
Which is why more evidence in JC trail should have been admitted. The evidence is overwhelming in my opinion! There is no way a parent with an ounce of common sense can’t see this kid is severely troubled!
@@meganbaldwin1699the difference in evidence in the two cases is shocking. At first I had only watched his mothers trial, and all week I’ve thought that the evidence in that wasn’t strong enough to convict her. But I feel differently after watching this Miller hearing footage todsy
@@L-n-o-v-a absolutely shocking! The jury has to render a verdict based on the evidence in the trial. I totally understand that. But the fact that so much was left out that contributed to this is unreal!
@@meganbaldwin1699 I’m right there with you
I feel differently now after watching this as well! Ethan was failed miserably by his parents and the school but mostly by his parents who should have gotten him the help he desperately needed. Ethan and his classmates could could have been saved! 😢😢😢This is heartbreaking. I am glad in this case Jennifer crumbly was found guilty on all counts and I hope his father will be ad well. @@L-n-o-v-a
This is a child that had no parental oversight that cared about him and no kids tried to be his friend.
He was once an innocent baby brought into this world by selfish narcissistic parents. Monsters are made.
He was so proud and wanted the world to know him, but he can't look at what he's done!
I understand most parents wouldn't think of school shooting, but surely would think about self harm. Wouldn't normal parent not be worried their kid is going to hurt themselves?
What attorney can not state a page number for the witness to turn to? Dipsi should provide the # at each.
She said she gave her copy to the judge so she didn’t have page numbers to give. But yes, ridiculous waste of time.
Ultimately Ethan is at fault, but damn did every adult in his life absolutely fail him.
I can’t understand why the prosecutor in Jennifer Crumbley’s case didn’t use more of this background information. Hypervifiligant helicopter parent my butt!
They ruled that a lot of his journal was prejudicial and therefore inadmissible. If it was let in on her trial, they would’ve probably taken less time to return the verdict. This miller hearing brought out his heinous actions, it beyond comprehension the things this young man did, thought, and inflicted on innocent people.
Ethan's attorney literally sound like she is prosecuting the parents.
Ethans parents failed as not only parent but s human beings .
Watching the parent’s faces in silence is just… devastating.
They're STILL disinterested & bored. They're probably only mad cuz having to be there's interrupting their beer drinking, drunken horse-riding & extra marital affairs.
I truly hope you’re not referring to the victims families with your comment 😳😳😳
@@DeniseLaFranceCDNpainterwere they referring to Ethan’s parents!?! I thought they were referring to the parents of the victims.
@@tammyirwin703…obviously, lol. 17 18 other people could also see they’re referring to THE parents rather than “Ethan’s” or “his”
You can see in his eyes that there is NO remorse or anything. Michigan needs to bring back the death penalty
for all that murder or just for Ethan?
@@tammyirwin703 For ALL murderers
Then you are neither a magician or a clairvoyant. You are not inside his head to know exactly how he feels right now. Attention seeker you are, but doubt any empathy for any living thing.
Yes, why waste all this court time on a looser? He should be executed by a firing squad of one with a single shot to an area which would allow him to suffer and die slowly. And they should play little kid music like ring around the rosie and other assorted children's music.
Death penalty raises crime levels cuz millions of money goes into the death penalty case instead of in rehabilitation cuz most criminals cant afford to pay for their own lawyer then people who need rehabilitation long term get kicked out of program cuz insurance only pays 1-2 weeks or not insurance at all & not enough taxed funding available then these where do other heinous crimes cuz they wanted Rehabilitation long enough Beth Thomas who became a psychopath from being severely sexually abused it took her six months to rehabilitating still trying to kill people she was sent to a farm rehabilitation program by her adoptive parents after her dad died who abused her very badly she was like very young thang like 6 years old at the time she's now a psychologist and she helps others that I've been through abuse but even after the six months it takes years of counseling to keep them stabilized I was very severely abused as a child and I have PTSD in enticing years like I'm 43 and I'm still working on myself but because I got into counseling early on I was able to get my anger and mistrust of people after being abused under control and then I had to learn who is not trustworthy and who is trustworthy cuz I couldn't tell the difference
So Ethan was texting his friend about killing baby birds, sending pics and videos to the friend. Told the friend about his plans of shooting up a school, kidnapping a girl, torturing and r*ping her. And this friend never told HIS parents or anyone for that matter? Additionally, the friends parents evidently didn't check their sons phone as well. Then you have the school. The teachers, counselor, Dean who was getting all of these red flags regarding Ethan, 8 months in advance to the shooting. Yet they too, did NOTHING. Schools are mandated reporters.
What is a mandated reporter? "state law requires that most professionals in education, health care, law enforcement and social work report suspected neglect or abuse."
Absolutely EVERYONE failed this 15 yr old kid. His journals and text messages prove he was screaming out for help.
I am listening to this after Jennifer Crumbley's (Mom) guilty verdict. After hearing what I have thus far, my mind has changed that yes the parents failed Ethan, were neglectful and abusive. Failed to get him proper mental health care. But I also blame Oxford school as well. The teachers were reporting to the Dean and the counselor. Those same teachers, after realizing the Dean and counselor were not taking action - the teachers could have called CPS and LE. Again, ALL failed this kid. Result? 4 children died. Several others injured.
I am wondering if the other kid's parents did check the texts and that's why they sent him to inpatient care? But then I question if they said something to the parents or the school. I'm not sure.
@@oppositeofamnesia That's what I'm thinking might have happened since the prosecutor made it clear that the friend didn't have access to the phone that EC was texting for the last month leading up to the shooting. Since the friend "vanished" without even saying good bye, the parents either moved away and forbade communication or in patient psych ward..
Woah. The journal entries.
@NotVille_ are you referring to which bathroom he was in? I would assume the boys bathroom since the two male students were located inside, but I can’t be certain since they could have always ran into the girls to hide if it was closer
@UTubeTrollPolice298 lol why do you keep asking everyone?
And, Ethan needs to remain incarcerated for life...but hopefully with psychatric assessment, treatment, and meds. He stated he was afraid he'd hurt other prisoners...scary. He is also going to be a large adult,imo.
The defense really lost opportunities to drive their case by not being prepared with evidence citation for this cross examination.
I half thought the detective turned into a fumblefingers to impede the momentum.
AFER HEARING ALL THIS...I WOULDL WANT NEW PARENTS TO WATCH THIS CASE, AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BOTHER WITH CJILDREN PLEASE DON'T BRING THEM INTO THE WORLD TO DO HARM INSTEAD OF GOOD, BECAUSE CHILDREN NEED LOVE AND AND GUIDANCE... IF THEY DON'T GET THAT ., THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!!😮
Jennifer is guilty as sin and every single person watching her trail needs to watch this!
Absolutely terrifying! Horrific!
Jennifer referred to him as an oopsie baby
What get me he wanted all of this attention and he has the nerve to sit there with his head hung down I know he is sick but still he is evil and his parents failed him
DIDN'T HIS PARENTS KNOW THAT HE NEEDED SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP??? AND THEY ACTUALLY BOUGHT HIM THE WEAPON?? ARE THEBPSYCHOS??? YES!!! THEY ARE DEFINITELY GUILTY...THEY HELPED HIM KILL!!😢
I wonder if everyone in this comment section would have this much sympathy if he walked into your child's school
I don't know whether I have sympathy for him as such, it is always that discussion between nature and nurture. He took many lives with planning, intention and purpose, and I believe a life for a life, so stay in prison for life.
But I also believe that the parents are culpable. So no, I wouldn't want him walking into my child's school, additionally I definitely wouldn't want his parents anywhere near my child!! Or any other child for that matter!
@@hansingleton Boohoo, his parents didn't love him.. Join the club
@@qwertyuiuopp I think you missed the point of my comment. I am not saying 'boohoo' at all, but thanks for the carefully considered, mature response, making me regret posting a comment!
The lad deserves to be locked up and throw away the key, he had a choice, as do all people who have a traumatic upbringing, but those parents were despicable and culpable
@@qwertyuiuopp so yeah thanks for the reasoned discourse, I'll remember not to bother next time!
Classic case of hurt people hurt people! He just wanted to be loved have friends and be protected and his parents failed him!!! I am so glad they were also charged because this is on them! They created this cold human being
the defence attorney is giving crackhead vibes
The parents seem to have been more interested in drinking and saving themselves than in helping their son in any way.
So they had no money for bills bjt had money to buy i think it was 3 guns?
They were spending close to $1,000 a month on the horses. Boarding, vet, etc. This kid needed to be in an institution.
@@Zzx75 yeah I know hence the they are spending it on everything other than him
Guns, horses and booze. They liked to drink also. They are also to blame for this
WOW
THAT DEFENCE LAWYER WENT WAY & BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY! ABUSE & NEGLECT IS NOT A FREE PASS FOR A LESSER
SENTENCE & TO 0MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SORRY FOR HIM!
MOST KILLERS COME FROM BROKEN, ABUSIVE HOMES
BUT IN THIS CASE THE PARENTS FAILED TO ACT WHEN ALL THE EVIDENCE WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM!
He didnt have trouble with reading when texting his writing was great but he knew what he was writing. My thought with the parents of the victims. May they find a way of getting through this 😢
Lazy disgusting disinterested parents.
"Hypervigilant helicopter Mom" ...yeah *_right_*
Ethan's Mom didn't want him to go to the hospital cuz the doctors would see evidence of C/A.
Sure wish the DA would raise his voice and keep it steady. He talks low, then after 2 words goes lower in sound. Even with ear buds it’s hard to hear just him.
Turn ya hearing aide up
@@loopy1159LMFAO
Oh good thought it was my ears or earbuds being lame...they are kinda old after all. But they have been so good. I need a new pair but I found the same ones on amazon but I have a feeling they were a knockoff even though they had the same brand name and logo etc. 3 days after I got them I plugged them into my phone and made weird noises and then nothing. I would wiggle it and still nothing. I couldn't return them coz my the puppy I had a time chewed on them a little so that was that. Anyway sorry for the unsolicited info. I gotta work on that habit. I like to talk to people so sometimes when I comment I tent to go on a whole thing. Anyway be safe.
I THOUGHT WE WERE LISTENING TO A CASE ABOUT ETHEN..NOT ABOUT EARBUDS THAT DON'T WORK FROM AMAZON!!!
TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE I COMPLETELY BLAME THE PARENT FOR NOT TAKING GOOD CARE OF THEIR SON SINCE HE WAS A BABY! HIS MIND WAS MESSED UP AND I DON'T BLAME HIM...ANY KID CAN GO CRAZY IF THEY GROW UP LIKE THEY ARE BEING RAISED BY THEMSELVES!.
I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY!!
Those parents.💔💔💔But by the Grace of God go I. 😭💔😭💔
"But by the Grace of God go I." a phrase I don't think we say enough smh
1:12:55 Who was the text sent to when he said he intended to do something really bad? Did the lawyer say?
He had a friend he texted. Friends phone was taken away in Oct and he was sent to a mental hospital. EC continued to text him.
@@stephendowling9050 thanks.
EC and his friend were messaging for months before this horrid incident. Parents have to monitor their kids devices, even teens. My no1 rule when my kid got a phone, I have access and I frequently check it.
I wonder why the need for this hearing. The evidence is clear, he pled guilty. Is this closure for the victims? I feel its unnecessary. These witnesses and victims will have gone over this many times previously.
A Miller hearing is for sentencing minors.
It’s an evidentiary hearing to determine if he will be charged life without parole due to him being a minor since minors usually cannot be charged as an adult. The judge needs to hear all the evidence of his crimes before determining.
I feel bad he was so sad and had scum parents . However, he is who he he is now. The damage has been done. He needs to be locked up for the remainder of his life .
He not only is who he is, but he has been this way all along. In another area of the ongoing testimony, and I don't remember exactly where, in the hours and hours I've watched, he himself relates that he realized that he was different from others, and that others didn't have the thoughts he did, when he said enthusiastically one time at recess that it would be great if the cars going by would explode and blow up the school, upsetting the adult he said this to. He was in a much earlier grade when that happened. There were many, many missed opportunities to intervene.
@UTubeTrollPolice298the fcuk is wrong with you? What a creep
@@justsaying933😮 wow😢😢😢
Those binders are such a pain to go through, why she didn't organise the parts she actually wanted and put them in order I really don't understand
This child could have been salvaged by his useless mother n the execution of innocent victims would never have occurred.
R.i.p.
Clearly he was suffering and life without parole unfair. Only in America!!!
LIFE, AND A DAY...not a math test...do believe you've already earned it for yourself bro! late!
Why does the Other Mother aka Mortisha talk so fast the poor detective can’t find anything she’s so rude she’s just trying to get him lost
Just like his parents ‘by-passed him’ all over sad and preventable. Those parents when he hit his head twice on two separate occasions, refused to take him to the hospital. Shame on them. They are more responsible than this mentally ill child.⬅️
He is not mentally ill but is just evil I don't see actual mentally Ill people doing what he did he planned it and executed his plan, he even knew what he was becoming and he became it and of story
I guess I don’t understand why this trial is even happening? Didn’t he plead guilty? Is this only to determine sentencing? Awful. Just awful.
This hearing is to determine whether he will spend life in prison without parole or spend a number of years in prison for a chance at rehabilitation. Since he is a minor and was a minor when the crimes were committed.
@@MrsExquisite21I thought it was about his parents as well
My theory after listen this video, is that the parents give him the gun so he can kill himself. They didn't expect that he will shoot at the school and them going to jail is karma of wanting dead their own son. My theory.
ALL THESE WOULDN5 HAVE HAPPENED IF HIS PARENTS HAD PAID ATTENTION AND TREATED
HIM WITH ❤️ LOVE LIKE PARENTS SHOULD DO!!!
His cat- Dexter. 💀😳
If only Dexter could talk, maybe we could find out the whole truth. There's more to all of this Family dysfunction.
I bet Jennifer drank during pregnancy. 😢
BURNER PHONES??? I THOUGHT THEY HAD NO MONEY!!!!
They had multiple horses they boarded. They had money. It’s how they chose to spend it.
You not only ruined your life, but also your parents
Ethan sure had a rotten beginning of life such aweful parents
Aren’t they not supposed to show the jury?
There is no jury! This is not a trial!
Where is part 1?
B4 part 2.
It's not that hard
@@loopy1159😂😄
@@Peace-tk3gr 🙃
Got his head down like the lil girl she is
Coward Punk that he is.
Hurts my neck watching these
As a she, we don't claim it either 🤠
@NotVille_he is a biological male and he uses the boy’s bathroom. That’s where he loaded the gun and abandoned his belongings before beginning the shooting. Why do you keep asking? Are you a transphobe, foaming at the mouth, hoping Ethan was trans so you can use it as propaganda to spread your hate?
@UTubeTrollPolice298 why are you asking this question all over these videos?
Mom in pink looks like she's going to jump the rail and take care of some business.
I couldn't sit in there, and hold my composure, no way especially after hearing what he wanted to do to my child
Blessings and strength to the parents managing their composure.
THE TEACHERS SHOULD HAVE PAID MORE ATTENTION AND TAKEN THE KID TO A COUNSELOR AND TALK TO HIM, ASK WHAT WAS BOTHERING HIM AND HELP HIM!!😮
I get it, his parents sucked....it's why Jennifer is going to prison and James might be going right behind her. But this kid carefully planned this FOR A WHILE and enjoyed it and unless he has a come to Jesus moment, he's going to remain a threat to the free world. So the idea of giving him the opportunity to be paroled is atrocious.
I feel no pity for this boy, especially after the graphic description of the bird video. so don't mistake my irritance with the prosecution for sympathy for the defendent.
this female prosecutor, something about her I haven't liked from the beginning. maybe that smug look she wears or the things she didn't say regarding the victims and the fact that, like it or not, Ethan is a victim too.
I think she thought making a comment about her lack of binder would make the defense look unprepared but instead made her look more like petty and pretensious.
@UTubeTrollPolice298seriously, that's number 5!
@UTubeTrollPolice298 what in the bathroom?
@UTubeTrollPolice298 I watch part. 1 & I'm at 51 min on this one.. what part are you talking about? I wish I could help you! Help me, help you. I don't recall them mentioning a bathroom. Is there a time stamp you could provide me with? Or maybe reword your question?
@UTubeTrollPolice298 is your question.. which bathroom did he come out of shooting?
@UTubeTrollPolice298 tell me why this matters and I'll tell you :)
What's the point of Counsel bringing up Dexter??
He was screaming for help!!! Poor child.
Horrid judge is he not aware of mental psychosis??
But for the grace of God......
Cher should stick to singing.
His writing wasnt great i mean.
For crying out loud, detective, find the dang page already!
Pumpkin cake roll
For those individuals who placed hateful, disgusting comments on here about Ethan, have at least a tiny amount of guilt, right now!! If not, I hope you are not parents!!
Shut up
I’m a parent of 4 wonderful children, and I can only say, I pray this young man pays for the crimes he committed.
He had a choice, and he chose to be a selfish person and cause pain and suffering to innocent families.
I pray that he gives his life to the Lord to be a better person.
And I can only hope that his parents are held accountable for their actions and their bad parenting.
I had sympathy right after this happened but after seeing and hearing what this kid did BEFORE the shootings all my sympathy dried up real quick. If you didn’t watch part 1 please watch it. He IS a serial killer. The torture he inflicted on birds is beyond disturbing.
@@Bethlam I have watched and read everything, from Day One.
All u do is sook and block
His cat was a luvky cat
Cos he would have tortured the poor thing
He named him " DEXTER "