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- Discussing why NBA coaches continue to be the scapegoat for a team’s failures
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They're just the easiest to replace. Coaches aren't allowed to fail anymore without getting fired.
A lot of coaches have failed without getting fired.
I like how 1-2.years not winning a ring with terribly constructed teams is a coaching failure nowadays.
@@dash4800GMs getting off Scott free
Kerr fails constantly he’s still there as the biggest phony hypocrite coach of all time and his fake dynasty dead for years
@@dash4800nobody has time for failing
Nurse and Kerr winning in their first year was the worst thing to ever happen to coaches
Nah. Coaches were getting canned after 1 or 2 years even before that.
Those two are amazing coaches. The palyers are overpaid primadonnas. How can Nurse make Tobias Harris do anything? And Embiid didn't grow up playing basketball, he played volleybal until 15. He never learned how to move under the basket, an injuri waiting to happen
Facts!!!
Lebron started that weak trend
Kerr inherited a good team Mark Jackson and Don Nelson built
Vogel wasn’t the blame. But Ham was definitely to blame he didn’t utilize his players effectively
hey bulls fan, I know you didn't see every Lakers game and their every press conference. So here:
1. One of Coach Ham's blindspots is his favoritism towards the players he coached before. E.g. Schröder, Prince. He would play em big minutes even when it was obvious they shouldn't. An example was he played a 3-guard lineup of DLo, Austin and Schröder against the Nuggets in the WCF last year when the Nuggets were the most physical team in the league.
2. The Lakers' theme for this year was continuity. Then he started T. Prince at the beginning of the season instead of Rui. By game 5 it was clear T. Prince wasn't a starter and isn't a POA/wing defender.
3. He started an all-wing lineup of Bron, Reddish, Prince, Vando, AD. Benching both Austin and DLo. This lineup didn't have shooting or playmaking. We would lose 1st and 3rd quarters every game which led to losing. From 4th in the West at that time, we dropped to 10 which included a 4-game losing streak. After this said losing streak, Coach Ham said "I'm sick and tired of fans living and dying every game (when they just dropped to 10th!!!). This is a marathon, not a sprint." Well that marathon thing was the reason we faced Denver instead of the Clippers in the 1st Rd. Reddish was a starter until game 42, Prince was a starter until game 52.
4. He would leave non-shooters wide open, practice shots just the Budenholzer did in the playoffs. Remember that Grant Williams game when he hit 10 threes? Just like that, D. Exum, M. Smart had season high threes against us. He just would not adjust his gameplan just like Bud. In press conferences, he would say "it's a make of miss league". And would not acknowledge his gameplan was the reason of the makes. That's 3 minimum losses because of the gameplan and lack of adjustments.
5. He never took accountability and blamed injuries. He would never say "I know we were injured but we gotta be better. This one's on me." just like Spot did when they were eliminated. On his way out, he blamed DLo for "sh!tting the bed". How could he return when he just did that?
6. His timeout usage. He would never stop runs. Just like in Game 2 and Game 5 when they lost huge leads, he would never call timeouts all season long. I don't have the exact number but we lost a few games because of this timeout usage thing. In game 2, he would not challenge a questionable call in the clutch. We ended the game with a loss and 2 timeouts left.
7. He lost the locker room. By January, it was clear the Lakers were winning despite of him and not because of him. It took monster games from AD to win because we would always lose in the margins or Bron doing his thing in the clutch.
Still not his fault? I'm not saying we would have won a championship with another coach. I'm saying all these issues from a coach is not acceptable. Better process is what we need.
Also, Rob Pelinka has to go. He built this team with 2 scoring guards, 2 bully forwards and AD. He didn't provide AD a true bruising 5 and this team had too many one-way players.
Is it all Darvin's fault? No. But our process has to be better and the coach should evevate the team and not sink it.
Reading your post gave me flashbacks of this horrible season. I, for one, am glad Ham is gone.
@@tklakers me too :( I hope we get a good coach this time
Vogel is fine. Ham is bad.
Vogel had worst 4th quarter in all nba. Ham made every possible adjustment vs jokic last year, got swept. Gm brought back same team, nuggets in 5.
Facts
@@xavierb9061 Vogel is a championship coach, ham doesn’t know how to call a time out or even literally know what one is
@@reeba_deeba4760 kitchen
I'll EASILY take Vogel over Coach Donovan.
If you watched every single game, you can easily see why Darvin Ham got fired. For one, he would never call timeouts. Teams would go on runs, and no timeouts ever called. And this is a mistake he didn’t fix until literally game 3 of the playoffs when he finally started calling timeouts.
Another thing was his rotations. In the analytics of rotations, there were lineups with Rui, Bron, Ad, Dlo, and Hayes or Rui, Bron, Ad, Austin, and Hayes that had great success and great advanced stats metrics. But he would run these 3 guard lineups all the time that would get killed with like max, dlo, and Austin.
I’m not saying that he didn’t have positive elements. His half court offense was good. Especially with pistol action.
But, another problem he had was just switching things up. I remember a lot of analysts were calling for the lakers to run more Chicago action which everyone in the league runs and that the lakers by their metrics were getting 1.1 pts per possession with.
Darvin went to Chicago starting game 2 of playoffs in the 4th and scored two possessions in a row-and it’s just like, why not start to run this action when Denver went on their run in the 3rd and you couldn’t score? Too little too late.
He would also be end games with 2 challenges left up until games 4 and 5 of the playoffs where he finally used his challenges.
Also-at the press conference, he made comments saying “idk what you want me to do when one of my players is shitting the bed”
Which is totally inappropriate. You can’t just say that. 😂 you can say one of my players was struggling. But you can’t say that.
There was also the incident with not challenging the call that your superstar was screaming at you to challenge.
And there was a game against the clippers where the game plan was for LeBron to go attack Kawhi that the team in the huddle literally vetoed and decided to go against the coaches orders and run a different action that resulted in them winning and caused a huge deal in the locker room beteeen Ham and the players.
I’m even leaving out a LOT of stuff that happened during the 82 game season--but it just sounds to me like you don’t know what you’re talking about. There was a lot of reasons for ham to get fired.
What was frank Vogel’s problem then? They will just hire someone else who is just as bad as ham
@@TheSheemedfrank vogels issue was the 2021-2022 season when they got Westbrook. They gave up there core role players for a pg that can’t shoot and causes a lot of turnovers. It was hard to make lineups with Russell Westbrook put that on top of ad being injured for 2 seasons in a row playing like 45 games a season.
You can’t coach players who don’t want to be coached. And then you receive Zero support from the from office . Coaches can only do so much
@@TheSheemed So Vogel is a REALLY BAD offensive coach, like horrendously bad. When we won the bubble, we had Lebron James and Rajon Rondo, two of some of the smartest players to have ever held a basketball, and he entrusted them with assistant Jason Kidd on handling all offensive matters, and the team looked to Vogel for defense. It worked marvelously, and its why he loved giving Rondo so many minutes.
Now we bring in Russ, an honestly by all accounts mediocre to bad BBIQ player (his triple doubles were the result of him being the focal point of the offense and being an incredible athlete, he wasn't running crazy sets or having insane vision, he was driving the lane and kicking to the open man, or blowing a wide open layup and grabbing his rebound and passing out to a shooter) who is expected to run the offense over LeBron given his age, and we have a team thats lost and confused (Rondo was out and Kidd went to coach the Mavs) *while* also losing our big wings and depth in that Russ trade. So, he has a team full of potentially powerful offense but little to no defense, which is EXACTLY what he had with the Suns.
It was a terrible decision and instead of anyone taking accountability for it, we fire Vogel in a humiliating and unprofessional fashion.
This is the discourse. The whole season Prince was being used like he was Khris Middleton. We were literally running sets for Prince. Do you know how insane that sounds? We Paid Rui and Reaves to play heavy minutes and somehow someway Ham Found a way to either bench them or play them less minutes.
Ham’s logic and conclusion of what happened is actually disturbing. Ham said that health was our main issue. AD and LeBron player 70+ games. Reaves and D’lo also played alot of games. Yet we found a way to play Prince and Reddish even though they were negatives on the court. But when Dlo and Reaves plays like sht he sits them on the bench?
I just think that people don’t understand and what to look for with coaching.
Im sorry but from the few clips ive seen, the lakes coach cant even draw a play, call for time outs or contest an obvious call when hes needed
They’ll hire someone else who is just as bad
Yep! Lakers fans know this. How many games were we ready to throw something at the screen because Ham was being outcoached.
Pheonix just signed Coach Bud for 5 years $50 million 😂😂 im betting he gets fired in year 2
Darvin Ham was the problem tho. He was constantly starting players who shouldn't even be rotational players. He was playing Cam Reddish for nearly 30 minutes per game. They constantly started games off terrible in the middle of the season. The reason he got fired wasn't just the playoffs. It was the fact that even with a healthy Lebron and a healthy AD, bro was playing Prince instead of Hachimura and giving Reddish all-star minutes for like 3 months. After the IST they went from a playoff team to the 9th seed and stayed there for months despite them finishing the season strong. They went 3-10 after winning the in-season tournament which completely ruined their playoff hopes. Lebron averaged 26-7-9 in that span and AD averaged 30-12-4 with 2.5 blks and 1.4 STL. Your 2 best players are performing at that level yet you get blown out by the fucking 14th seed during that time?
The December losses is what really did them in
False. LeBron is the problem. Apparently coaches aren't allowed to develop players anymore, and must only get LeBron his stats despite his stas no longer actually impacting winning.
To be fair to Ham he had the same problem frank vogel did. Poor roster construction. Ham certainly was a problem though just not the only one.
Glad he was fired but the Lakers have more problems than just Ham, they have a severe lack of starter caliber defenders, lack athleticism in their starting back court, and finally rely on too many streaky players that have similar skill sets with similar weaknesses.
lol stop it. Lebron is the pros Len and you know it.
You clearly ain't know nothing @@VVVY777
Ham was a problem. You say otherwise you didn't watch games plain and simple. Poor timeout management not calling one until 15-2 opposing team run happened tons of times this season. Horrendous i mean godawful rotations that made no sense including having a lineup of Reddish, Vando, Rui, Bron, AD with no guards on floor. How about not using the 5 you were supposed to use from the start of season until nearly 60 games into season. That 5 of DLO, Reaves, Bron, Rui, AD went 18-6. Hands in pockets not play calling or showing emotion especially when teams offense looks lost and doesn't score for a 5 min strech. Absolutely no ingame adjustment ever something he just could not do. The fake news media really painted it out like Ham was a great coach when he was in fact the opposite. When your superstar player says "there are times when we don't know what were doing out there" that automatically says that's a horrible coach. That your players would say that.
This whole notion that some media nobodies can look at some clips through maybe 5-6 games and say you know what i know that coach is great and no problem is baffling. Ham had to go and the Lakers made the CORRECT DECISION firing him.
Lakers fans know exactly why Ham is the problem. Anyone who watches the games this season knows exactly why. Terrible lineup choices, no consistency, no clue when to call timeouts or challenge calls, and his tactics were so bad the players had to ignore him and switch their approach (go see Clippers game as an example). Nice guy, but terrible at the basic parts of coaching.
This will be the case for any team with lebron on it. Coach has no freedom to actually coach. Bron gets all the praise. Coach and role players get all the blame. 🥱
@@mydogsnameislucy768right. Because LeBron hasn't won championships before with his playstyle.
@@apparentlylivinMy brother in Christ, Lebron is 39. He’s not that same guy anymore
@@KevD720his style is still effective. The games against the nuggets were close both years. Coaching is the difference in those close games. Game-plan adjustments, timeouts, rotations. All of that is in his job description, yet it felt like he didn’t do any of it well. Coaching LeBron isn’t fun, can’t be. However, the failures on this one clearly lies with Ham and the Front Office.
@@mod7065 we really trying to say the lakers had 11 moral victories and 1 actual win against the nuggets 😂
hard to make good roster adjustments when you have a bench full of scrubs 😂
King Coach Killer been getting coaches fired since Cleveland and his lack of success is never his fault
If his style of play is that effective they would win a lot more games 🤷🏾♂️
Caping for Darvin is nasty work. If you TRULY watched the game, you know he's terrible. Most inconsistent coach bar none.
The american system is falling behind. In Europe teenagers are being developed in professional teams from the age of 15. This is just the beggining
Irony is the Euro system being implemented was what taught to them by Aurbach and Tex Winters when they ran coaching clinics for 2 decades in Europe. That's why their fundamentals are sooo solid.
I believe, more so than the physical training, is the society in which they grow up in. Americans are more self centered, but Basketball is a TEAM game. The emphasis for Americans is ME First. Prime example is LeBron James. And look how many of the standout players in the NBA are foreign born.
Well, americans are more focused on the spectacle and we europeans on the purity of the game. Less timeouts, less stopping of the game, rigorus officiating and freedom for talented kids to work with pro's
I can’t deny this development is a far superior system to AAU, but where both are lacking- DEFENSE!! The NBA needs more defenders!!!
@@bakkaslonyes no wonder football one of the most boring sports is the most popular in europe
People defending Darvin Ham blows my mind. This guy blamed injuries when 4 of his 5 best players all played 70+ games. He was drawing up plays attacking Kawhi, a former defensive player of the year, vs the clippers lol. Players blew him off in the huddle and did their own thing to come back and win lol. Numerous videos of players blowing his coaching off because it makes no sense. Why was he starting T prince whom has never started other than in Atlanta when Darvin ham was assistant coach in 2019 😂. Why did he have Austin Reaves and DLo coming off the bench throughout the season lmao. There’s no defense for that guy
They want to blame it on LeBron.
@@thevoicelesswriter just like the many coaches he fired for each team he goes too
If a kid is misbehaving, the parents get the blame
If the players look confused on the court and no times out call, the coaches get the blame
Except for LeBron and AD, the other players sometimes look like they playing unorganized basketball on the street.
Ham gotta go either way
the lakers look MUCH better as a team when lebron is not on the court. he ducked all the good teams later in the season, and the lakers usually won when he sat. ad is the star of the team, lechoke needs to retire already and let the lakers get good again.
@@laz0rama now back that up with metrics/actual games please
The coaches are absolutely not the problem. Owners and players putting them in lose-lose situations are the problem.
Lol. If you think coaches are not the problem then you don't know anything about basketball :D
@@mouseandkeyboard1009 ok lebron no need to get sensitive
I think coaches can be partially to blame, but they can only work with what’s been given to them. And the Lakers and Suns rosters were 2nd round exits at best from the get go
That is not entirely true. Coaches can be the problem. There have been cases where the coach was the problem.
@@pyotrbagration2438 LAkers problem is their coach. The problem with Suns is their line up.
Great points. It’s like the media has a gag order *pause to not speak in the GMs making these horrible decisions. They are still trying to create what Golden State had but forget that they had a whole bench with smart players that complimented each other. Since Denver won, now teams see you should ha a superstar, an all star and then build a complimentary team.
If you think darvin Ham wasn't the problem, I don't know what to tell you. By the end of the regular season, you heard of almost every player having some sort of problem with him. If that isn't a coaching issue, then idk what is. We don't even have to talk about his ACTUAL coaching incompetence issues.
Darvin ham wasn’t the one out there playing like ass 😭😭😭
@@CBQReviewhe put out the lineups that our players at disadvantages.
let's be real, darvin ham was never the coach of the lakers. we all know who the real coach was
I’m just glad you made this video and shined the light on this topic
You hit the nail on the head. Not just coaches being fired too quickly, GMs are far too protected.
Coaches play the hands they are dealt by the GM.
Suns GM is an idiot, James Jones, and should be fired. I feel bad for what Coach Bud is walking into.
The current Suns team was probably constructed to sell tickets and not to win games.
You hit the nail on the head. The biggest issues with teams like the Bucks and Suns, that have talent and are expected to succeed but don't, lies with the front office constructing the team and trading away assets. Yet the blame hardly ever falls that way. Probably can't be a sports reporter and start calling out front offices and expect to have a good time being a sports reporter.
ive always told my boss, if you give me lemons, dont expect orange juice. ill give you lemonade. but never expect OJ.
It's called a team, not putting 3 "superstars" together and expecting success that season. Good/great teams take time and years to put together. But this is showing what the nba and its "superstars" have become, don't want to put in the work, build chemistry, and if you failed get better and compete again. Current superstars if they could, they would pay money for a championship themselves so they can check that box off. Where is the competition and competitors?
preach on!
Meanwhile, Spo be chillin.
Yes at home 😁
The thing with Doc Rivers is that he never takes the blame for anything. It's always someone else's fault, and is a master of throwing players under the bus. He's just as entitled as any narcissist.
remind you of any player on the lakers?
Im getting tired of dudes turning 40 not playing defense and blaming everyone else but themselves
If you watched every single game, you can easily see why Darvin Ham got fired. For one, he would never call timeouts. Teams would go on runs, and no timeouts ever called. And this is a mistake he didn’t fix until literally game 3 of the playoffs when he finally started calling timeouts.
Another thing was his rotations. In the analytics of rotations, there were lineups with Rui, Bron, Ad, Dlo, and Hayes or Rui, Bron, Ad, Austin, and Hayes that had great success and great advanced stats metrics. But he would run these 3 guard lineups all the time that would get killed with like max, dlo, and Austin.
I’m not saying that he didn’t have positive elements. His half court offense was good. Especially with pistol action.
But, another problem he had was just switching things up. I remember a lot of analysts were calling for the lakers to run more Chicago action which everyone in the league runs and that the lakers by their metrics were getting 1.1 pts per possession with.
Darvin went to Chicago starting game 2 of playoffs in the 4th and scored two possessions in a row-and it’s just like, why not start to run this action when Denver went on their run in the 3rd and you couldn’t score? Too little too late.
He would also be end games with 2 challenges left up until games 4 and 5 of the playoffs where he finally used his challenges.
Also-at the press conference, he made comments saying “idk what you want me to do when one of my players is shitting the bed”
Which is totally inappropriate. You can’t just say that. 😂 you can say one of my players was struggling. But you can’t say that.
There was also the incident with not challenging the call that your superstar was screaming at you to challenge.
And there was a game against the clippers where the game plan was for LeBron to go attack Kawhi that the team in the huddle literally vetoed and decided to go against the coaches orders and run a different action that resulted in them winning and caused a huge deal in the locker room beteeen Ham and the players.
I’m even leaving out a LOT of stuff that happened during the 82 game season--but it just sounds to me like you don’t know what you’re talking about. There was a lot of reasons for ham to get fired.
@@AustinMulkaMusic So why did the Lakers hire Vogel?
Why are there so many bots in this comment section
@@AustinMulkaMusicI’m not reading allat
@@AustinMulkaMusicim still tired of a 40 yo not playing defense and blaming everyone else
The NBA made a gigantic deal with ESPN, this overpaid the NBAPA, which made players believe they already got the money, without earning it = now they live off of "player options" + " just making it", to "year 10", so they can get their full pension = these guys are "spoiled" = that's why it's impossible for them to take any accountability for how terrible their teams are, while allowing the coaches to take the credit, for them playing horribly = when they're only playing for "money", not playing for championships, gets coaches fired everytime
suns should hire Jim Boylen as head coach.
Lol
Great idea. Everyone will demand a trade without restrictions just to get away from him. Boylen would actually cause the GM to quit or get fired
But in the case of the Suns, this debacle falls on the owner . The current GM had built a very good team before new ownership took over. Do you really think he just lost his mind suddenly? This team is what the new owner wanted. So if Jones gets fired, it's a blessing to him.
Wasnt he bulls coach in 2020
@@mrAhollandjr now i remember him now 😂😂😂
That would be a speedrun to force a rebuild just by stars asking out.
3:42 “This isn't to say some of these coaches aren't to blame'
Shows Doc Rivers 😂😂😂
The NBA needs to take a lesson from the Detroit Lions. Find a coach with a plan, build a culture and identity and then win. Expecting microwaved success ain’t it
This is what happens with you have a league of entitled little boys as pros.
Entitled?
@@DM-22 definitely, this era blames the coaches after one not even bad season. Making the playoffs is an accomplishment, only one team can win a championship. But this soft entitled era thinks if their team doesn’t win the championship it’s not their fault it’s the coaches fault. Hence the firing out coaches after making the playoffs. LeBron stunk it up in the 4th quarter against the Nuggets but Ham got fired. Frank Vogel was doomed from the beginning Beal, Booker, and KD will never work.
@@d.c.thirtythree7752no darvin game just can’t coach
@@will-zj5gq 😂😂😂😂LeBron can’t be coached, this will be his 9th coach and if he doesn’t win it will be his fault too
@@d.c.thirtythree7752 lebron got 2 rings being the coach.
It's easier to replace a coach. They're also far cheaper compared to the players.
He's still getting paid his full contract, and he can get another job. No sympathy here.
Facts. This is all that it boils down to.
When will these GMs ever think and realize that they have themselves to blame? Not the coaches that they hire. So dumb!
You can’t fire a player under contract but you can fire a coach. It’s the easiest way for a team to make a change
I saw a video yesterday with Mark Jackson talking about him coaching again. He said if Steve Kerr, chose the Knicks he wouldn't be looked at as a great coach
I mean, to be fair, with that 2018-19 Knicks team, no coach would've succeeded, although he wouldn't have failed nearly as bad as Fizdale did.
@MrRapmaster19 that's the point. Kerr was originally going to take that job. These coaches careers are defined by players.
These GM's need more accountability and I believe that is the #1 that should be fired first. Their the ones that put the team together.
There’s a reason why in Soccer they are called Managers, not coaches. Lakers should have kept Vogal and paid players after the ring.
To be fair, there have been situation where the coach was fired because the front office simply wanted to move in a different direction. Nick Nurse was fired when the Raptors wanted to (eventually) rebuild. Same with Billy Donovan in OKC. Mark Jackson was fired because the front office just didn think he was the right guy to lead the Warriors to the next level. Overall, coaches can be a problem, but they are not ALWAYS the problem. At the end of the day, they can only do so much.
Coaches get fired when GM's fail then try to cover their ass
Doc Rivers needs to be fired, but firing Ham was BS. LeBron just needs to retire.
Vogel wasn't the problem The owners were. Now Hamm was a very big problem. Continuously putting in 3 guard line ups with players that can't shoot or defend well at all. Not playing bigs when available, holding time outs til end of game etc. besides the FACT laker fans were crying Fire Hamm at the Game. Not sure why Lakers are in this content besides for likes 😂. Put the Bucks that got 3 coaches in a year still on the payroll 😂
Even when the coach is fired from multiple teams, they are still paid their contract so it could be worse.
I mean if you're the coach why wouldn't you want to sign a 5 year contract to be fired in 2 years and then get a 3 yr vacation
This has a lot to do with the media and how they put immediate pressure on poorly constructed superteams to win. Everybody thinks it’s your birthright to win a chip cuz you built a superteam and I blame Lebron James for that
This reminds me of years ago when the Knicks got both Francis and Marbury. Basically 2 ball dominant guys that play the same position. And GM saying it's so crazy it just might work doesn't make you confident.
Bro that team played amazing when lebron wasn’t on the floor. People had career nights with the win, when lebron was out. I think we need to come to reality here.
I agree and the players should be held accountable...coaches and front office personnel aren't the ones missing shots,lay ups, free throws and defensive assignments....
Only people who did not watch the Lakers on a day in and day out basis can say that Coach Ham was not a problem. His ever-changing starting lineups made no sense, his substitution patterns were ridiculous, and his in-game adjustments were non-existent. Just standing there with his mouth agape and his hands in his pockets looking completely lost. 🤦🏿♂️
Ham definitely was the problem have him on ur team and u will see not calling time outs playing the same players whos been doing bad all year no adjustments keeping his hands in his timeouts keeping challenges when the game is already over
I haven't seen a team run a genuine offensive scheme in at least half a decade...iso ball... 2 man screen & roll... that's it. Then you get to watch the other 3-4 guys (depending on scenario) stand around the arc waiting for the kick out.
So long as we are pretending that this is what a real offense looks like... i'm not sure what folks want from a coach at all
call a time out Before your team goes down 20? How bout not saving your time outs for the next game 😂. Putting in 3 guard line Ups with players that can't shoot or defend 😂. How bout call some actual plays Not just 5 out. How bout show the opponent different looks by playing some young buck ready to prove himself.
@@teresamcgee-vd2uc it doesn't matter what plays a coach calls when the players just do wtf they want anyway. time outs, though, right on there.
@@teresamcgee-vd2uc ... That's kinda my point though...
Your team goes down by 20 and you want to stop the "bleeding"... I get that... but what is going on during that timeout? Drawing up a high screen & roll for your team to run?
Putting in 3 guard lineups with players that can shoot... for what... so you can run a high screen & roll and maybe kick it out to 1 of the 3 guys standing around the arc?
Show your opponent "different looks"... yeah... that's exactly what I am asking for from any coach... and it's exactly what none of them are doing.
Your missing the point... and your response is all rhetoric
. The whole season Prince was being used like he was Khris Middleton. We were literally running sets for Prince. Do you know how insane that sounds? We Paid Rui and Reaves to play heavy minutes and somehow someway Ham Found a way to either bench them or play them less minutes.
Ham’s logic and conclusion of what happened is actually disturbing. Ham said that health was our main issue. AD and LeBron player 70+ games. Reaves and D’lo also played alot of games. Yet we found a way to play Prince and Reddish even though they were negatives on the court. But when Dlo and Reaves plays like sht he sits them on the bench?
I just think that people don’t understand and what to look for with coaching.
Starting Cam Reddish and Taurean Prince is directly on the coaching staff
For every coach fired, those teams deserve a Doc Rivers
Im a diehard Celtics fan and im surprised that Doc Rivers still gets job offers
@@lizzybethnj617 Bucks fired their Championship coach,then the next coach that had them in good condition until they started losing a few games way before Doc got there 😕. Notice how Doc is being blamed for the season when all this unrest was going on Besides the Fact Giannis and Dame were injured multiple games and most of the Defense was traded away. For jrue they got pat Bev. 😂 Yep it's all Doc Rivers fault. Meanwhile the Bucks are still paying 3 coaches 😂😂
Anyone who says Ham shouldn’t have gotten fired doesn’t know or hasn’t watched. He was bad and when the players don’t believe in you that’s when you know it’s for sure time to go
I'm a Lakers fan. Now that that's out of the way. I feel as if a lot of teams are focusing on building teams that will get a lot of fans to show up to games instead of trying to win a championship. Every off-season we see a team land a big star or two followed by social media posts about how "scary" the team will be. It hardly ever works out. Just look at the clippers. 4 superstars, excited fans showing up to games, first round exit from the playoffs.
Preach
Equal blame should be placed on the front office, coach, and players. It's a group effort to win in the NBA, and if the FO, HC, and players are not on the same page, winning will not happen. Rosters need to be constructed with the coach in mind and players need to buy what the coach sells. Probably the biggest case in point of this is this year's NY Knicks. The Knicks FO put together a roster that contains players who fit exactly the mold of what Tom Thibodeau is as a head coach and all parties are thriving. The moment they started to distance themselves from that identity (see: Evan Fournier and Cam Reddish), things started to go off the rails.
Vogel lost the locker room. You *have* to fire the coach when the locker room refuses to take their coach seriously. The question should be instead "why did Vogel lose the locker room?" rather than "why did the suns fire him so quickly." For the record, I love Vogel. He has problems sure, but he brought me my first championship as a laker fan, and he was scapegoated to save the FOs skins as a result of the Russ trade. The Suns, even at the time of his signing prior to Ayton's departure, were the WORST POSSIBLE TEAM for his skillset and what he brings to the table. I'll also just point out that this is the third consecutive coach in as many years that Kevin Durant's coach has been fired. Take that how you will.
Darvin Ham is a more complex situation. He never lost the locker room, the players liked him generally enough, the problem is that he simply wasn't doing his job. The players voiced that they weren't being coached, they didn't have sets, they didn't really run strategies. Dlo had to have a meeting with Ham one on one in January to ask him what he wanted out of Dlo. The Lakers starting point guard had to ask the coach IN JANUARY what's expected of him, because it wasn't being conveyed clearly. Darvin refused to play our most successful lineup of Dlo/AR/Bron/Rui/AD until FEBRUARY, where we would then go on a 60 win pace for the month. And he only did that because Vanderbilt/Reddish/Prince were injured at one small point. There was also a noticeable difference in this years squad compared to last year;
Ham openly declared that the regular season doesn't matter, its a marathon, we can take our time. Compare that to last year, post ASB, where the new team treated every game like a game seven for the remaining half of the season which culminated in a conference finals appearance where we got swept, partly due to how tired our guys were due to taking those reg season games so seriously. This team played with no heart, no purpose. They looked lost and confused. That is ONE HUNDRED percent a coaching issue, and the man never took responsibility or admitted fault.
Honestly, Billy Donovan is a really good coach! I mean you would know more as a Bulls fan, but after seeing you guys like 3x in the last week of the season (I’m a Knicks fan) I gained a lot of respect for how hard your team played.
By blamming vogel and ham is the only thing lakers management can do.😂😂😂
Pelinka should be hield accountability for his bust trade. 😂😂😂
To be honest, I blame Durant for the Sun's failure. I'm sure he played somewhat of a GM role with the acquisition of Bradley Beal. Considering that the Suns made it to the finals in 2021, I find it hard to believe that their front office is that incompetent.
I would say that there’s only so much blame a coach can take, given the roster constructions some of them have
yeah but frank vogel is still getting USD26M even if the Suns fired him, and he keeps that money even if he finds another head coaching gig. so while it may suck in terms of job security the interest in coaching jobs due to financial gain is still high. people are just making a huge deal of coaches getting fired so that they get additional ammo to criticize star players. newsflash: these coaches have guaranteed deals, it's not as if they'll lose a paycheck if they get fired and it doesn't diminish their value as a head coach.
Darvin Ham definitely deserved to be fired but Frank Vogel being fired is crazy but Phoenix needed a scapegoat
Vogel was absolutely not the problem in Phoenix. Phil Jackson with Pop and Spo as his assistants couldn't win a championship with that team.
Now I wonder who in the Detroit Pistons should take the blame in their long losing streak this season, the coach or the front office?
Still impressed how the Spurs, Heat and Warriors management still continuing to have faith in Coach Popovich, Spoesltra and Kerr respectively despite having some bad seasons
The clippers lose but Ty Lue is safe. Why? He's an exceptional coach. Both him and Vogel won a chip with LeBron, but Ty Lue has the league's respect.
Darvin Ham not the problem? He is part of the problem, so is LeBron (acting like GM is my issue) but to say the coach isn't the problem means you don't watch Laker Basketball. Vogel on the other hand should have never been fired.
Frank Vogel is a legitimately mediocre coach. And Ham just doesn't get along with Lebron, so the Lakers had to choose between Lebron and Ham; the same goes with Griffin and Giannis. All this demonstrates is that players have more power to make decisions about how the team is run. For the Lakers it remains to be seen if that will make a difference. For the Bucks, they have an aging and injury prone roster, which is why they are out of the playoffs. Their current coach has been terrible in the playoffs as well, but it still remains to be seen if they can make a championship run if they make it to the playoffs healthy. This has always been a part of the NBA, it just now has the added caveat that players can force that decision.
The best example is Minnesota from the past 5 years
The whole business of the NBA is fucked.
No defence, no physicality, and the game is just a three point shooting contest now.
Suspect officiating.
As the video suggests, the coaching pretty makes no difference and the players are largely divas.
Such a shame that this league is supposed to represent the pinnacle of the sport.
I mostly agree the Lakers front office has been shit Dr bus died. We're so damn lucky that LeBron wanted to come here. Otherwise we'd still be a middling team in the league
Clippers, Lakers, and Suns need to fire their GMs.
They need to change something. They cant change the roster due to the lack of flexibility in terms of salary cap and picks. So change will be the coach
Coaches and front offices playing patty cake while the league makes sure that only 3-4 teamshas a chance of winning. WWE or NBA? same shit.
When coaches start their own podcasts, it’ll be a great day to hear some truth. Phoenix was poorly constructed. Lakers needed a center and Ham seemed as if he understood the role was to keep Lebron happy. It was, but also came at a price… moments where someone needed to tell lebron he CANT have the offense run through him because it hurts the team. Nobody believed Milwaukee would win this year (unless you lived in WI). Next year, Bucks could be a very good team.
Very few people are willing to say this, but I have no problem doing so, but Kevin Durant or Kevin Deflect, as I might as well call him from now on, is just as bad as LeBron James in terms of being a coach killer. His ego and lack of taking accountability are just so out of control to the point where he is turning me off. KD, that is. And the biggest difference between Jordan and LeBron, is Jordan held guys accountable and more importantly held HIMSELF accountable when he had a bad game. Whenever we see LeBron or KD have a bad game, what do they do? Blame everyone except themselves......
I don’t get why it’s the GM’s that are responsible for trading and signing players, shouldn’t it be the coaches? They know the players better and they are the ones who will be working with them.
Of course coaches will keep taking $40 million for one year of work paid out over 4
sometimes it's the coach but most of the time it's the people above the coach
Anybody who hasn't watched even 50% of lakers games has no right to say that Ham did nothing wrong. At surface value, oh wow lakers had a positive record, went to wcf, won ist, why did they fire Ham? If you actually watched any lakers games, followed post game interviews, you'd know why he had to go. D Ham was not it, PERIOD. Vogel on the other hand is an unfortunate situation. Sad what happened to him, definitely the suns choked on that one.
Kobe had 9 different coaches but they dont bat an eye as long as its not LeBron.
Jennie Buss is the main problem... Second is Rob Pelinka.. and lastly Darvin ham is the scapegoat
Are they the problem? No. Are they part of the problem? Absolutely. In the case of Vogel, he did a loooot of just unhinged yelling on the sidelines leading to techs. He is in charge of rotations and his were extremely bad. Starting 3 shooting guards has never been a recipe for success. He came in as a defensive minded coach and applied almost no defensive schemes and just depended on iso ball. This is a team sport, no one can do it on their own but Vogel never put anybody in place to succeed and clearly didn’t have a lot of respect from players. A big part of coaching is managing egos and he had very little ability to do so. He never once attempted to bring Beal off the bench which was an obvious choice as none of Beal booker or kd are amazing defensively.
Even Bucks fired their coach with a winning record... Some front offices are just too stupid to realise their roster is a bigger problem... Why can't more people be like Pop or the GM of Thunder...
Darvin Hamm was a terrible coach.
The head coach Willie Green from the New Orleans Pelicans needs to be fired for sure
I agree with vogel, but darvin needed to go. The lakers got where they got last year, and this year DESPITE the coaching, not because of it
'Getting'???? It's BEEN Out of Control, ever since Jeannie Buss made the decision to Trash the Franchise and sign LeEGO.
You realize it was Magic who recruited Lebron to come to the Lakers, right?
@@philcorrea7107 yeh, he, too was fooled, BUT...he saw the light, the path to hell that Jeannie was taking, and BAILED. FTM: that would make the two greatest Lakers of all time that were jettisoned by Jeannie/the Buss children: Magic and the Truly Great Jerry West. She needs to sell the team.
Neither the suns or lakers were ever going to win a title with the bad rosters built by their GM's! 😂
I mean I'm with you I'm looking at the Hawks right now and I don't blame the players it's the front office that has messed this team up and now they are stuck in mediocrity
darvin was 100% the problem!!! Vogel not so much given the depth of the team
You saying the lakers have depth now? 😂
@@KevD720 Compared to Vogel's last season with the Lakers, yes.
@@thevoicelesswriter … that doesn’t mean their death was good this season lol
I know Doc Rivers is an easy target but tbh it seems like every time he’s brought on a team the stars forget how to play basketball, if Giannis was healthy the Bucks playoff run could have looked very different but this could also be on the coaching staff not managing his injury properly
Coach Frank Vogel wasn’t the problem Westbrook was but Darvin Ham was a problem and it showed if you watch the games
reaching on that darvin ham take bro ngl lmao
Nah you're a casual if you think darvin ham is not the problem he might not be the biggest one or the only problem but but hes definitely one of especially in playoffs theres so many times late game where dlo and reaves is playing together when they cant defend a cone then theres AD where gets gassed late game because not only hes carrying the offense he also needs to defend joker
because the lakers' so-called leader is literally allergic to playing defense and working within an offensive system that doesn't start with him dribbling the air out of the ball.
honestly defense aside I think dame regressing was a pretty nice portion of the problem, atleast offensively cause he wasnt even contributing at a high level on that end all the time n was still a bottom 5 defender in the league
Take accountability? Yeah in this day and age very few do that anymore. Good video by the way.
Did you watch the Phoenix series? Name one adjustment Vogel made on either end of the floor between game 1 and game 4? Tell me how many ATO's he drew up that actually worked. Explain why he had Durant standing in the corner while Booker ran puck n rolls with Jusuf Nurkic. Vogel failed to maximize two of the leagues top ten scorers; that's why HE got fired.